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Speaker 1: I will install bedeys if you need me to install. Wow,

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Speaker 2: So well, I'm about as reel as it gets me

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Speaker 2: but he's quite good. Actually, have you did you ever

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Speaker 1: So I have a fondness for that movie that was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this mustache is uh huh, not

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Speaker 1: With you. Well, we're feeling the Halloween spirit, as everyone

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Speaker 1: can tell. And Millie, you brought this up and planning

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Speaker 1: we're each going to say, are three favorite Halloween songs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I figure it's just we both like music. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know, you got to think about Halloween JAMS's part

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna throw out the Monster mash.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was the one that I was thinking of

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Speaker 1: I think there are no rules in this, just something

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Speaker 2: It's the song Halloween by one of my favorite bands

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Speaker 1: Oh a feeling Jersey right now is the Plumber. Any

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Speaker 2: I know, goddamn son of a bitch is what you're suggesting.

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Speaker 2: My number one is I put a Spell on you

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Speaker 1: Millie will arm wrestle you and you're going down. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Bela Lagosi is Dead by Bauhaus. Love that song and

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Speaker 1: But would you say this is the weirdest movie we've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about Tetsuo the Iron Man from nineteen

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Speaker 1: I've never seen it before. I didn't even like it.

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Speaker 2: with movies, for those who love Halloween. On our last

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Speaker 2: Man. Incredible work this.

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Speaker 2: A lot of horror sequels, A lot of horror sequels.

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Speaker 1: I like you forget to watch the sequels sometimes, and

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Speaker 2: You know, one of my favorite horror sequels is The

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Speaker 2: What George C. Scott?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I just feel it's fun with those

434
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: sequels because it feels like people aren't paying attention as

435
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: much or something like the filmmakers are able to really

436
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: get away with doing whatever they want sometimes.

437
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

438
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: So anyways, let's close it up, Millie.

439
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: Bye bye Film Diary.

440
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

441
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: Fact, so this week, as we've talked about, we are

442
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: doing a movie called Tetso the Iron Man from nineteen

443
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: eighty nine, and this was written and directed by a

444
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: experimental filmmaker, I would say, right, an already already experimental filmaker.

445
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would certainly say this is experimental.

446
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: But it was written and directed by Shinya Sukomoto. And

447
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: you know, his origin story is really interesting because he

448
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: basically was like making films at home, doing a lot

449
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: of shorts, experimental films, like you know, he was kind

450
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: of like what we were all doing when we were

451
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: in college, which is just fucking around and doing weird shit,

452
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: and you know, he had like a little gang of

453
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: people that he used to collaborate with. But for some reason,

454
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: this movie became pretty popular outside of Japan and Sensation.

455
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: It was a Sensation and by the time I realized

456
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: what it was, it had been out for like over

457
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: ten years, and it just became this like kind of

458
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: essential strange Asian cult film that everybody had to watch.

459
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: And if we're gonna do some cataloging for this film, yes, right,

460
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: we've got. It's obviously a horror movie. It's a science

461
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: fiction movie, cyberpunk, wouldn't you say experimental? More about cyberpunk

462
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: in just a moment, I'm sure themes of the film,

463
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: if you're curious, transhumanism, industrialization, body, horror. Yeah. Are there

464
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: any standout actors or famous quotes? I would say probably not,

465
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: And we'll get to maybe why that is later. Yep,

466
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: because at one point a lot of the collaborators on

467
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: this film kind of dropped out.

468
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was like basically the filmmaker and

469
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: the actor at some point, we're just kind of like

470
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: blowing around a junkyard shooting stuff.

471
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when we get into a little bit more

472
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: of the of the beat by bait. Well, maybe understand

473
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: why people were quitting because there is quite a bit

474
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: of of a costuming of makeup work share.

475
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't seem like necessarily pleasant physically to

476
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: making this movie.

477
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. And I would feel bad as a

478
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: filmmaker to ask people to put on that much shit.

479
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: But that's just me.

480
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking too, because I'm like, God,

481
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: I just don't have the like, the energy and the

482
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: you really have to have a drive to be like, Okay,

483
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: let's take all the time to build all this like

484
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: metal costumes and put it all over these people, and

485
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: they're going to be miserable, and but you know, we'll

486
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: get the shot. You know. I don't know if I

487
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: have that within me, I don't think I could have

488
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: made this movie right. Anyways. We can get more into

489
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: that as we go, beat by beat.

490
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: I mean, and honestly, like people that you collaborate with,

491
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: not everybody's going to be divine. Not everyone's going to

492
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: eat dog shit for you, you know what I mean,

493
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: So let's just throw that out there.

494
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: But of course divine was in Pink Flamingos by John

495
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: Waters and divine eight poop that came out of a

496
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: dog's But.

497
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well okay, so I want to know, like, when

498
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: you watch this film, this is the first time watch

499
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: for you, Yeah, how did it make you feel personally?

500
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: What's your personal connection?

501
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: This made me feel like a child. I was giddy

502
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: with excitement. I love cyberpunk. I love the writings of

503
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: William Gibson, who kind of invented cyberpunk. He wrote Neuromancer,

504
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: and he wrote the scripts for Johnny Knaemonic and other

505
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: cyberpunk things, and like the Matrix is kind of based

506
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: on his work. But I love dystopian futures. I love

507
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: body modification, transhumanism. Bruce the writer Bruce Sterling called cyberpunk

508
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: kind of like low life high tech, which I kind

509
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: of liked that genre of like kind of trashy the

510
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: criminal people, but there's like high tech stuff going on.

511
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

512
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: And I love movies about this sort of stuff. I

513
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: like the movie Titon, I like RoboCop, I like Johnny Namonic,

514
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, where people are like kind of turning

515
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: into machines. But I want to stress I don't like

516
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: it the other way around, like with the movie by

517
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Centennial Man, where it's a machine becoming a human.

518
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: No, that's a drag. Nobody cares if a robot wants

519
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: to be human, like but you know, yeah, I feel

520
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: but the feel good crowd would I mean you know

521
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: what I mean, like yeah, like, oh, a robot wants

522
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 2: to become like falls in love with a person and

523
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: now wants to be Yeah, like no, thanks, I want

524
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: to see a human be destroyed by technology. Yes, I

525
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: also like this isn't necessary. Like I like the Fly,

526
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: which I think you mentioned in your notes. I like,

527
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: was it District nine? That's also like a guy transforming

528
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: into like a bug. Anyways, I love that stuff. So

529
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: this one was like right in my wheelhouse. Sure I

530
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: was psyched to watch it. Yes, well for me, I

531
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: mean obviously I picked it this week. I wanted to

532
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: watch it again. And as I said in the intro,

533
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: this was literally like classic shitthead phase movie for me.

534
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: The person who introduced it to me was my roommate

535
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: in college, Blake Myers. He was the king of horror

536
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: movies when we were in the film program together at GSU.

537
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: He actually went on to become I mean, he was

538
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: on The Walking Dead for many years. He was like

539
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: the blood guy on The Walking Dead.

540
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: Whoa, yeah, we need a blood guy on this podcast.

541
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: I know he will be our blood guy by the way.

542
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: He loves to make blood. And when we used to

543
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: make little shitty films together in his house which became

544
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: my house, we lived in the same house, which that's

545
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: a whole other story. By the way, that was a

546
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: legendary house that we lived in, also horrific, and he

547
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 2: used to have these Halloween parties there every year, and

548
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: it was so scary that people couldn't believe that we

549
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: actually lived there. It was condemned. It was actually condemned,

550
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: but his mom's friend, who ran a auto shop next door,

551
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: said that he could have it for one hundred dollars

552
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: a month, and I lived there for almost a year.

553
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: Anyway, would you say that was when you were at

554
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: your shitthead powers were at their peak.

555
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: One hundred and ninety nine percent. Yes, I was like

556
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: a fucking shithead from the ninth level of hell. Like

557
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: I was watching Troma movies. I was watching like I

558
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: was super into like well, I obviously had been into

559
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: nine inch nails since since high school, but I was

560
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: sort of like in a like kind of like I'd

561
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: wear all black. I was really into. I'd go to

562
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: like goth and industrial nights here in Atlanta. You know,

563
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: all the people that I knew were like film school weirdos,

564
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: like just a bunch of maniacs. And we were obsessed

565
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: with Russ Meyer, John Waters, you know, Herschel, Gordon Lewis.

566
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: You know, we were obsessed with the Misfits and punk

567
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: rock and we were all just like in the Swirl

568
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: and you.

569
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Know, I was in.

570
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: We were all like trying to look for weird Asian movies,

571
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: you know, just like weird violent shit and real weird

572
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: sexual things. And so yeah, when Blake was like, you

573
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: haven't seen Tetsu with the Iron Man Millie, like what

574
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: are you doing? Of course I was like, uh, I

575
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: mean yeah, I mean yeah, I should watch it. Huh.

576
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: So we watched it, and it's easy to watch. It's

577
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: an hour long. That's one of the benefits.

578
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: It's easy to watch in the sense of time.

579
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 2: That's probably the only part though, And uh, I was

580
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: like convinced that this was this movie what It was

581
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 2: so deep and esoteric and had all this messaging about

582
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: who knows what and who whatever. I conjured up and

583
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: was like I want to live in trash and like

584
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: make art with trash. And I remember our house at

585
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: the time was very tetso the Iron Man influenced because

586
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: there was a wall of broken TVs and Commodore sixty

587
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: four monitors in the living room for some fuck that reason. Yeah,

588
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: I mean it was very like everybody living in the

589
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: house was like a weird art person. So it was

590
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: like very highly influenced by this film. But anyway, that's

591
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: my personal connection to this movie, and that's why.

592
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: I love it. Let's talk about it absolutely, well, maybe

593
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: you shoul let's let's get into the damn thing. I

594
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: just want to say it totally. You know, we're talking

595
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: about all these kind of like you might think this

596
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: is like a seria. We're talking art house, we're talking cyberpunk.

597
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: You might think this is kind of like a serious movie. Well,

598
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: this is a goofy ass movie. I mean it's like funny. Yeah,

599
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: I would say it's and it's supposed to be funny. Yeah,

600
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: it's real over the top and yeah, it's like zany.

601
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 2: When we get into this. I mean, like I said,

602
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 2: it is online. You can watch it online in many

603
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: different places. It is an easy watch. I think it's

604
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: like an hour and six minutes or something like that,

605
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: change black and white. It will remind you a lot

606
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: of sort of indie films from the late eighties early

607
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: nineties in that way. But it really is just kind

608
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: of hard describe. So I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna

609
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: try to go beat by beat, but it's it's gonna

610
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 2: be a little weird.

611
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: So just strap watching it the first time this week,

612
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: I was there were times where I'm like, I do

613
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: not know what's going on.

614
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: Yes, because the style is very experimental. It uses like

615
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: it switches sometimes from like live action to like stop

616
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: motion animation. It's visually just really chaotic. It sort of

617
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: doesn't really have it doesn't really like give you a

618
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 2: lot of plot. You're just kind of thrown into things.

619
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: But I'll attempt to give you the you know, main beats, right,

620
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: uh huh. So at the beginning of the film, it's

621
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: basically like you're just like brought into this like crazy

622
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: workshop slash I don't know, like it just looks like

623
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: a pit of trash and gear and electronics, and you're

624
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: immediately like brought into this guy's life who starts he's

625
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: like driving like a metal pipe into his leg, and.

626
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: It gets to doing themselves surgery on his leg. Yeah,

627
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: and he's inserting a metal pipe into it.

628
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets juicy real quick. Just wanted to point

629
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: that out.

630
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 1: It sort of seems like it keeps cut. It cuts

631
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: to like a lot of pictures of marathon runners or Olympians,

632
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: and so you get the sense that maybe he's trying

633
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: to become like a bionic type person by cutting open

634
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: his leg and installing a metal rod in there, but

635
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: you also aren't entirely sure.

636
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: And of course he's like hurting as he's doing this,

637
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: screaming uh huh. Sometimes there's a cutaway and it you

638
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: come back to it, there's like maggots and stuff. So

639
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: it's like you don't know if he's in a dream state.

640
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: You don't know what's actually happening, but you just say

641
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: this chaos almost immediately, and then he kind of like

642
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: runs out of his little shit shack and gets hit

643
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: by a car yep, which is unfortunate, and so that

644
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: kind of sets up one thing one part of the movie,

645
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: like maybe a character. We don't even know these people's names,

646
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 2: by the way, there are no names. Then it cuts

647
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: to this other guy who would be best described as

648
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: it like a Japanese salary man, like a businessman. He's

649
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: like clean cut, has like kind of buddy hollyglasses, and

650
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: he's wearing a suit and he's at home and he's

651
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: shave in his face with an electric razor and then

652
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: he notices put struding out of his cheek, this like

653
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: little device. It almost looks like it looked to me

654
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: like a cactus needle or something.

655
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: It just was. It's like a metal thorn coming out

656
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: of his head.

657
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like Innerspace with Dennis Quaid and

658
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: Martin Short. Feels like a little like a tiny little

659
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: receiver that can go into your skin. But he like

660
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: fucks with it and then it pops open all his blood.

661
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: It's very disgusting, by the way. It's nasty. But then

662
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: this salary man like ends up like I guess he's

663
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: going to work. He like goes about his day and

664
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: he goes into the subway and he's like sweating, very

665
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: sweaty movie by the way.

666
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: And a lot of breath you hear a lot of like, yeah,

667
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: like the whole movie a lot of breath stuff.

668
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. The sound is also layered with all these other

669
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: sounds like it's kind of again it's disorienting, I think

670
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: on purpose. But he basically like sits in the subway

671
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: and meets like sitting next to this kind of I

672
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: don't know equally as sort of like nerdy, kind of

673
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: younger Japanese woman, and then she sort of turns into

674
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of like a half metal monster.

675
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was good, this part I was. This is

676
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: where I first was really confused because there's like some

677
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: sort of metal creature that kind of is nearby, and

678
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: she tries to pet it, and then it latches onto

679
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: her hand and she starts to turn into a half

680
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: robot half person.

681
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't tell, like how if it was, because

682
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if it was setting up this scenario

683
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 2: of like if you touch something, you become it consumes

684
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: you type of feeling. Yeah, but it happened really fast.

685
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden she kind of is

686
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 2: like a like a half metal goop half human hybrid

687
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: and then starts chasing the businessman this guy. Yeah, yes,

688
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: and then so and at the time that it was happening,

689
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: as it was rolling out, I was actually like, this

690
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: would be kind of a cute couple's Halloween costume.

691
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: I think so too, because they haven't gotten quite gross yet,

692
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: Like her hand has transformed, but she's in kind of

693
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: cute like secretary like business outfit and he's in his

694
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: like suit and buddy hollyglasses. It would be pretty easy.

695
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, get him early so you don't have to put

696
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: on all the crap that he eventually puts on. But

697
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: that would be kind of cute, like fifties little Japanese

698
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: business people with like weird disgust. Yeah.

699
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: I feel like that would like absolutely like crush at

700
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: a very specific film.

701
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: Art house costume party. Yeah, I mean for my own

702
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: satisfaction and to like let all the people that know

703
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: what I know think I have good taste. Yeah, that'd

704
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: be fucking fantastic. I'd be like, that would be good.

705
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: The man that lady and her boyfriend dressed like the

706
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: beginning of Tetsu the Iron Man, and they're like legends.

707
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what this party is that

708
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: it would get recognized like that, But it's out there.

709
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: I think it's at your house. Let's just get serious.

710
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: It's at my house and it's just me. Mellie.

711
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite self surgery scene in movies.

712
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me think about this. I mean, I kind

713
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: of like the No Country for Old Men thing with Yeah,

714
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: it's a good one, I think. I mean honest, I

715
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: think my favorite is, like, I don't know if this

716
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: is this is technically not surgery. But when in Terminator

717
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: Too Artold is like cuts his arm open, He's like,

718
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: let me show you I'm a robot. Guys like you

719
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: don't believe me. That felt really intense when I was

720
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: in middle school.

721
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: Is it in Terminator one or two where he pulls

722
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: the big thing out of his nose? I think that's

723
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: really that's one?

724
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? What about you?

725
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 4: Oh?

726
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: I would say the ones that come to mind are

727
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: Prometheus with Numi Rapace where she has to get this

728
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: alien cut out of her stomach. That was pretty crazy,

729
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: and cast Away when he pops the tooth out of

730
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: his head. Those are the only two I can really

731
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: think of.

732
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: Should I see Castaway? You've never seen it? What do

733
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: you think?

734
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, that one might have missed you.

735
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: You're too busy, too busy in these Tetsuo the Iron

736
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: Man streets?

737
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: Do you need to see cast That would be a

738
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: good one to.

739
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: Watch, Like with your dad.

740
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good dad movie.

741
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: It is good. I like Castaway.

742
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: I don't think my dad would want to see Castaway.

743
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: He likes comedies.

744
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: It's good. I mean it's entertaining.

745
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: Is fred Armison and Castaway? Maybe my dad would see it?

746
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: Does he like fred Armison?

747
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: Oh? He loves because he does a lot of accent

748
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: work he does. My dad loves. No.

749
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think it might be

750
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: too late for you. I think Castaway just might not

751
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: be a.

752
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: Part of your life. And that's okay, that's fine. So

753
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: then we move on to this like kind of middle

754
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: sequence of this hour and six minute fucked up little gem,

755
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: which is.

756
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: That that that's that fight scene though, where the woman

757
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: is attacking him. That's a lot, that's long. Yes, that's

758
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: a good chunk here, that's a good But then he kind.

759
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: Of moves into this new scene, right, which is basically like, yeah,

760
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: so the businessman is sort of slowly changing, like he

761
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: looks he's looking more and more gnarly with his like

762
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: and how would you describe what this stuff is that

763
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: is consuming his body because it looks just like fucking

764
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: rubber hoses and pipes and metal trash. It's like trash.

765
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like really gross because it's not just like

766
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: he's turning into a robot.

767
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 2: It's not as simple as that.

768
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: It's like he's turning into like part octopus, part TV.

769
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like a mix between it because

770
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: it's very gooey and squishy but also metallic.

771
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. Just imagine like like a nine inch

772
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: Nails video with just like shit hanging down from the ceiling.

773
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: It's like rubber hoses mix with like the inside of

774
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: VHS tapes, mixed with like black goo, mixed with metal pipes.

775
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: It was just like it just looks like space trash.

776
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: Like I don't even know how else to describe it.

777
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: It will make you feel gross.

778
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad it's in black and white, yes, because it

779
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: makes it feel less gross.

780
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 2: Watching it, it feels a little elevated. It's in black

781
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: and white, elevating. So this salary man guy is getting

782
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: real crunk, right, His body is changing. He's sort of

783
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: like has been having these like sexual visions of him

784
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: and this woman who we find out as sort of

785
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: his girlfriend, and they're in his apartment and they're having

786
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: sex at one point and then he starts kind of

787
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: rapidly changing to the point where and this, I have

788
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: to say, is my favorite part of the film.

789
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: I did it's mine too.

790
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's hard to resist. But they're having sex.

791
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: They're pretty much in human form at this point. But

792
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: then after they're done, I guess he cooks here some noodles.

793
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: They start they sit down to eat a little bit,

794
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: and then like slowly, his body starts changing and his

795
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 2: did turns into a giant drill. And this is fun

796
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: for me to see.

797
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: This was cinema, Yes, so big. It drills through the table.

798
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: He gets this like drill boner and it like comes

799
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: through the coffee table. I mean it was amazing.

800
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: I mean quite frankly, if I had one of those,

801
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: I'd be going up to anything that's wooden and just

802
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: drilling holes and everything.

803
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: I'd be so fun. This is a conical drill too.

804
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: It would be like at the front of a boring machine.

805
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: You know.

806
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: This isn't like a you know, a hand drill. It's like,

807
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what they use at.

808
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: The bottom of the ocean to you know, plow plow

809
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: into the earth.

810
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: But it's it's like doctor Robotnik from Sonic the Hedgehog.

811
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: I feel like has a drill like this anyway.

812
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it's very intense, and here's the here's the thing though.

813
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: The girlfriend is kind of like cool with it. I

814
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: think she's kind of down to clown at first.

815
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: She's tan like.

816
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: What that thing do? Yeah, you know, and he's you know,

817
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 2: he's doing the whole thing of course, where he's like, oh,

818
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: don't look at me, I'm a monster, Like no, get

819
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: away from me, and she's kind of like no, and

820
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: she says to him multiple times, listen, I don't scare easily.

821
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: And I I started thinking about this and I'm like,

822
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: you know what, not to toot my own horn. But

823
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: I'm actually the kind of girlfriend too, I don't really

824
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 2: scare that easily. Not gonna lie.

825
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: That's good. So you would be the girlfriend in a

826
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: horror movie. I feel like this is a common thing,

827
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, like where the girlfriend sticks by her man

828
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: who is transforming into some monster.

829
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would, in fact, and maybe that is something

830
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: that people really don't clock about me. But you know,

831
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: you're not in a relationship with me. You don't know

832
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: what goes on. Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty down like

833
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm pretty like, you know what, like, nobody's perfect if

834
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: you have a drill dick. I'm not saying that we

835
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: have to use it, but I'm not going to run

836
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: away that you have it, that it's present, that it

837
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: just destroyed our dining room table.

838
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked that for him though.

839
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: It was at the moment, at that tiny moment, I

840
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: was like, oh, well, it seems like she's cool, so like,

841
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: don't worry, maybe she'll love you even if you turn

842
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: into like a heaping pile of metal trash. But then,

843
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: as it turns out, it gets more complicated, and I

844
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: think she tries on the drill dick for size and

845
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: then dies. Basically, you live by the drill, you die

846
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: by the drill. That's it's kind of what happens. And

847
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: you know what, Like, I'm glad she took it for

848
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: a spin, even though it had tragic consequences. But took

849
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: it for a spin. I don't know, yeah, yeah, but

850
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, with the drill dick is

851
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: real fun, Like it's a fun part of the movie.

852
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what you thought when you first saw it.

853
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 2: I mean, this whole sequence when we were talking about

854
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: The Fly. This is what really reminds me of The Fly, Yeah,

855
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: is when somebody is like physically changing in front of

856
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: their partner, they're just kind of like.

857
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: Huh okay, yeah. But I don't know if Geena Davis

858
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: was as down as the girlfriend in this. Geena Davis

859
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: seemed like she was kind of like, whoa, you're really

860
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: climbing up that wall.

861
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 2: Well, Gena Davis wasn't quite the industrial girlfriend that this

862
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: this guy had. She seemed like she was kind of

863
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: up for a lot.

864
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: So you put a note in here about the music. Yes,

865
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: a lot of industrial music.

866
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually don't know who did the music. I

867
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: don't know if you if you know.

868
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: But I don't. I think it's a It was a

869
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: friend of his that had never done a score before,

870
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: but was a musician. Okay.

871
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: Well, and like here's the thing about this movie, this

872
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: and this is I think why it appeals to, you know, like,

873
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: I think it appeals to a certain type of person,

874
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: which is that shit hits, just shitheads, and primarily like

875
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: maybe the hell Raiser kids that we were talking about

876
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: from last week, right, the goth kids, the industrial kids.

877
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: Like the music is definitely like clang Klang klang right.

878
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: Like the trolley, It's going fun clang clang.

879
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: If you're really into like kroud rock or any kind

880
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: of experimental music, this is your jam. And I feel like,

881
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: visually to be real, like it almost felt like this

882
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: movie felt like an industrial film, Like it felt like

883
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: a nine and Schnapes video. It felt like a Front

884
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: two or two video or like something like that. And

885
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: you think about the year nineteen eighty nine, this music

886
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: was really popular, Like industrial music was really popular in

887
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: the late eighties and early nineties, So it's like, to me,

888
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: it felt like kind of part and party of that

889
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: whole like musical scene. Almost yeah, you know, totally. It's

890
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: a bit like Dirfan meets Hellraiser meets cyberpunk.

891
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I kept. I love the band Big

892
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: Black Steve Albini's Big Black Course, which is an industrial

893
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: band and a lot of like drum machine and like

894
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: get clanging guitars, and.

895
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: I love it. Did you ever I saw Sillac? Did

896
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 2: you ever see Sillac? When they played Never Man? What

897
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 2: a great show? Probably like top five for me. Wow,

898
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: it was fantastic. I haven't listened to that much Shellac.

899
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: I've only listened to big black thousand hurts EP, gotta

900
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: get it, gotta get it. It's fantastic to get in there.

901
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: Rip Steve Na, I know a real one, all right,

902
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: So speaking of real ones, okay, pretty much the third act,

903
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: the final act, if you want to call these acts, right,

904
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: because it's kind of hard to paste this out a

905
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: little bit, but the last third of the movie is

906
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: that you know, the girlfriend's dead, the baths up, then

907
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, everything around him starts turning into things.

908
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: Like one of my other favorite parts of the movie

909
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: is that that little kitty starts churning into like a

910
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: little metal goblin, and I just kept thinking, how the

911
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: hell did he get a cat to like strap on

912
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking pipes and shit?

913
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: That's dedication. Yeah, filmmaking, man, whatever it takes.

914
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I've have you ever tried to like force

915
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 2: your your pets to wear Halloween costumes? For example?

916
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: Like, well, I used to have a dog, Dolly, who

917
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: we loved.

918
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: We lost her last.

919
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: November, and yes, we tried to get her to wear

920
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: all sorts of funny costumes, none costumes, witch costumes, and

921
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: Dolly was what you'd call a bitter and she would

922
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: bite us and she was a shitsu and but we

923
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: still tried because it was funny. We also, Tricia and

924
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: I wrote a web series together that I directed called

925
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: Lucy Follows Her Dreams.

926
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: You can still watch it.

927
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: Dolly acts in that movie, and that was a pain

928
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: in the ass too, because we had a few scenes

929
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: with her as an important character in that and it

930
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: was it was challenging.

931
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dog Sophie, who was fifteen years old as

932
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: of last week, hanging in there, but grumpy as fuck.

933
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: She was never good with Halloween costumes either, Like I

934
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: tried at one point to like dress her like a

935
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: t Rex and she just fucking thrashed it off. She

936
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: hated it. So I'm really impressed that this director got

937
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: that cat to like, you know, wear all that crap.

938
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: But hopefully no animals were harmed. I'll throw that out there, yes,

939
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: but or people that are people, right, Yeah, Because here's

940
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 2: the thing is that this last half gets really crazy

941
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: with the goo with the goo goopy oopy and this

942
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: like sort of I don't know, just the most intense

943
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: in terms of visuals and sort of the back and

944
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 2: forth between like what is real and what is not real?

945
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 2: Like in terms of the structure of the film, because

946
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: it's like the girlfriend sort of turns into this other person, who,

947
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: as we find out, is the guy from the beginning

948
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: of the movie and you know who got hit by

949
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: a call him with their car and had the pipe

950
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: as leg And I guess.

951
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: Did we say that this guy, the salary the businessman

952
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: is the guy who hit the first guy with his car,

953
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: because it isn't quite revealed until late.

954
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: Till later, so like they're connected and I guess, yeah,

955
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: the first guy, the pipe of the like guy was

956
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: having sort of like some kind of like connection, like

957
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: mental connection to this guy, and obviously they're connected through

958
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: this accident. And then he sort of just like shows

959
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: up and he's like he's just kind of saying like, hey, uh,

960
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 2: your future is metal, like join me, and uh. They

961
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: kind of form a weird like metal goopy vultron, don't

962
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: they towards the end, And that's kind of how it ends.

963
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: I would say it's kind of, I don't know, sort

964
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: of a homo erotic there's some homo erotic imagery. We

965
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: didn't mention this, but the businessman has a fantasy slash

966
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: dream that he's getting penetrated by like a metallic pipe.

967
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a little.

968
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: Bit of that.

969
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: He's having a lot of different sexual dreams by the way. Yeah,

970
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, I think you're right. I think there

971
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: is some kind of home erotic undertones. Hey, the guy's

972
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: real horny, which I feel like stands in line with

973
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: a lot of Japanese businessmen, I would say. But yeah,

974
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: and it kind of just like again, like it is,

975
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: it kind of just ends and it is a huge

976
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: spectacle and you do sit there and say, what did

977
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: I just watch? Yeah? You know.

978
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: My theory about plot wise why these things happened was

979
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: basically the guy at the beginning was trying to make

980
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: his body metal and him getting hit by a car

981
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: was kind of the lightning strike, like the Frankenstein lightning

982
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: strike that made him combine with metal and it is infectious,

983
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: so it infected the businessman. They're like connected through car

984
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: and metal and violence, and so they kind of create

985
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: this syndrome, that metal syndrome, and that's what takes over them.

986
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: So that's that was sort of how I logically came

987
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: to it, But there isn't really a clear explanation of

988
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: why it happened.

989
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so a couple of things I would like

990
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: to say, probably in closing for Jetso the Iron Man,

991
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: perhaps you're right that this movie is short, but also

992
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: packson a lot in that short period of time, to

993
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: the point where it probably shouldn't have gone on any

994
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 2: longer anyway, and it definitely had to be a black

995
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: tedious I would say, it's really kind of an assault

996
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: of the senses at all levels. The thing is interesting

997
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: to me though, and I'm trying not to like be

998
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: to you know, film scholar about this or whatever, but

999
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: like it kind of had this feel. There's this feeling

1000
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: when you watch it about just I don't know, consumption, right,

1001
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: the idea that our whole lives at this point are

1002
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: consumed by technology, but also just shit, we're all just

1003
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: like iced out in stuff right that again will eventually

1004
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: probably become trash on a barge or in space or

1005
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: you know. But then if you think about just like

1006
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: the ways in which like the world is so about

1007
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: products and consumption and plastics and gear and things like that,

1008
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, it kind of feels like this movie

1009
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: way is sort of like this almost kind of like

1010
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: complete exaggeration of something like that, where it would be

1011
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: basically like what would happen if your body just got

1012
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: taken over by all your shit?

1013
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? I yeah, No, I think you're totally right. And

1014
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: I think it's like a very good visualization, visual representation

1015
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: of that happening in this movie. I often think about

1016
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of like how the human body or like the

1017
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: human experience is becoming like digitized and optimized in a way,

1018
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: like with phones and technology and computers and stuff. We're

1019
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: becoming attached to technology in a way. We are an

1020
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: extension of technology, where like the human body and the

1021
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: human mind are like connected to the Internet at all times,

1022
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: and even though that's not metal, that is like machine

1023
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: that we're kind of integrating with. And I feel like,

1024
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: so this this movie feels applicable to now.

1025
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever I'm kind of obsessed with this

1026
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: concept of gray goo ever thought have you ever read

1027
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: about this? No?

1028
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: I think you brought this up when I saw what

1029
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: you did.

1030
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: Of course I did, because it's like one of my

1031
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,479
Speaker 2: doomsday scenarios that I think about constantly, which is that

1032
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: it's basically like nanotechnology just can't stop replicating itself and

1033
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: then just takes over every everything on earth that is living. Yeah,

1034
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: so like, for example, if you had a little machine

1035
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: in your cheek when you were shaving a little metal thorn, right,

1036
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: that that thorn would replicate itself and just take over

1037
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: your entire body and just consume you as a human.

1038
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: And then it would consume like it would just wouldn't

1039
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: be able to stop replicating, and it would just take

1040
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: over everything on earth. I like to think about that

1041
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: sometimes when I'm you know what, I had a couple

1042
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: too many diet cokes and I'm just laying in bed.

1043
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: Sure, but we're getting real cozy curling up by the fire,

1044
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: of course thinking about Grey Google.

1045
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this this movie is kind of maybe the

1046
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: one of the best I think visual representations of what

1047
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: that might actually look like.

1048
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. It's like gross and not neat, and it

1049
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: does not take it's violent, and it doesn't take into

1050
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: consideration like human pain or human you know, feelings whatsoever.

1051
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was trying to like read some you know,

1052
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: director interviews and quotes and stuff to see like, so,

1053
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: what's the deal with Tetsu or the Iron Man dude?

1054
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: And I think one of my favorites that he's this

1055
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: is he said something to the effect of this, which

1056
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: is I was preoccupied with chaos, So I was trying

1057
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: to integrate the horror with the science fiction that I

1058
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: had within me.

1059
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: It's good.

1060
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: Are you preoccupied by chaos, Casey? Do you think that's

1061
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: true of you?

1062
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:13,479
Speaker 1: Uh? Preoccupied by chaos? Sometimes sometimes having a child throws

1063
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: an element of chaos into your life that is sometimes terrifying. Yeah,

1064
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: so I do say. I would say I try my.

1065
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: Best, but I am preoccupied with chaos. I do have

1066
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: horror within me. I don't know if I have science

1067
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: fiction within me, but I try to mitigate the chaos.

1068
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

1069
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: I don't like kas Yeah no, but you know, I

1070
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: feel like there are people I know that like their

1071
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: natural state. They are thriving, They are at their best

1072
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: in a chaotic environment.

1073
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: Oh they get juiced. Yeah. I might have been one

1074
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: of those people for a long time. That's That's what

1075
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, making conscious decisions to like slow down, not

1076
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: take on too many projects. You know what I'm saying.

1077
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: As you get older, you just body just doesn't have

1078
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: the design for it, I feel. But as a younger person,

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Speaker 2: I was like, cool, i have five jobs, and I've

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01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: got like all these little side hustles and side quests

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01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 2: and stuff. Now I'm like, no, I'm no longer preoccupied

1082
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 2: with the chaos. I just got to be I got

1083
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: to just hang out with my drill deck and just

1084
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: be chilled.

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01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: Well, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We did it. I think did we do it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, am I changing into a half man half

1088
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: metal goog guy kind of feels like it, But I

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01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: think that means we did.

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Speaker 4: It all right, everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's another installment of our segment, my area of expertise.

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01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: And oh, we had a great guest today, a fellow Minnesotan.

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01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan. You may know him from the

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01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: show's Son of Zorn Superstore, most recently the show Fallout.

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01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: You can also see him in the movies older movies,

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01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: but you can see them in the watch from twenty twelve,

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01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: Band of Robbers from twenty fifteen. Johnny Pemberton is here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here, Johnny, thank you

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01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: for having me. I'm here real pleasure. A fellow Minnesota

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01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: And yes, Johnny, have you been following our beloved Minnesota

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01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: Vikings this year? I was that the game last week?

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01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: You were Yeh's at the Falcons game. Oh that was

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01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: a real.

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01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 5: That was a rough one. That was a rough, rough,

1105
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 5: bad game. That was Was that a home that was?

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01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: That was a home game.

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01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: I was in town for a couple of days and

1110
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 5: I my whole family we all went.

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Speaker 1: We won't talk about the Vikings forever, Milly, I promise,

1112
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: But have you the.

1113
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 5: Most unpleasant thing for someone doesn't want to hear about, Like,

1114
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 5: it's the worst thing to talk about if you're talking

1115
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 5: about people who don't know about. It's like you might

1116
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 5: as well talk about like the INGREDI it's on some

1117
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 5: cleaning products or something like that.

1118
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: Have you seen there's this Viking documentary that came out

1119
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: I think it was two years ago, a series. Okay,

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01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: it's it's really good. It's it's by this company called

1121
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: Secret Base. Oh I know about them? Okay, yeah, okay.

1122
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: They do like a lot of weird, avant garde sort

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01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: of sports stuff. It's it's really interesting. And they do

1124
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: this whole narrative on the Minnesota Vikings and how and

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01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: they're not Vikings fans. They just picked the Vikings because

1126
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 1: they're like, the Vikings are historically a very strange team.

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01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: They really are, like, yeah, me too. There's like there's

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01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: like a tragedy to them, but there is sort of

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01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: like a weird narrative and there's been so many different

1130
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: crazy characters and events throughout the history of the team.

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01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: It's like, in some ways, it's like almost better that

1132
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: they haven't won a super Bowl. I mean, I need

1133
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: to see them win a super Bowl. But they're they're

1134
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: very interesting. But yeah, you should check it out. It's

1135
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: really it's really interesting. Okay that we're not here for Vikings.

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01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: This is King Vikings, all right, school, Johnny. I wanted

1137
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: to ask you, so we bring people on experts, you know,

1138
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: we bring people on to talk about their area of expertise.

1139
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: And the area of expertise that you pitched was non

1140
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,919
Speaker 1: actors used as actors in movies. Yes. Can you kind

1141
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: of explain exactly what that means to you? Well, it's

1142
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: pretty simple.

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01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 5: It's when you see someone in a role who's clearly

1144
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 5: not an actor, but they're in a small role in

1145
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 5: a film and they are they're being used as an actor,

1146
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 5: but they're clearly not.

1147
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the best example of it.

1148
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 5: Is the one as the one from Midnight Run with

1149
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 5: Charles Groden and Robert de Niro. It's towards the end

1150
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 5: of the movie, they're at that diner and Charles Groden

1151
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 5: asked this woman working at the waitress at the the

1152
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 5: counter at the diner. He asked her, Uh, the special

1153
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 5: is chereizon eggs? What is cheriso and eggs? And she

1154
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 5: explains what charizo and eggs is. And it's just very

1155
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 5: clear that this woman works at the diner. If she

1156
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 5: doesn't work at the diner, I mean, I guess it's

1157
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 5: possible that she is like a background actor who got

1158
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 5: a line and it is just super super nervous because

1159
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 5: she's a local hire. That's possible to me. But I

1160
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 5: think that that's almost the same as being a non actor,

1161
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And it's the way she

1162
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 5: says it. It's so it's a combination of this is

1163
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 5: the most honest performance with the worst performance. There's something

1164
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 5: about that where it's like I love when you you

1165
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 5: know when you see it. At least I know it

1166
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 5: when I see it all the time. I constantly pick

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01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 5: them out and I love it. I think it was

1168
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 5: funny because I watched them. Well, I have some more examples,

1169
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 5: but that's that's the best example.

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Speaker 1: Is that the first one you kind of like keyed

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01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: into that concept or I think so when it kind

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01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: of smart sparked your brain, I think so.

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Speaker 5: I'll also know that Peter Berg is famous for using

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01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 5: a lot of non actors in his movies, especially if

1175
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 5: it if it's a historical thing. A lot of times

1176
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 5: the director of the producers feel a need to insert

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Speaker 5: someone who was involved in the instance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of times because Peter Berger's doing a

1179
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: lot of military does yeah stuff or like things that

1180
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: were a tragedy sort of things. So it's like, I

1181
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: think it's kind of therapeutic to have these people involved

1182
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: in the story because they're there for part of this

1183
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: to help tell the story of what happened. They were there.

1184
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the minute you said that, I was thinking, this

1185
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: is like quite an old movie. But he actually won

1186
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 2: an Oscar for this role. But I think about the

1187
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 2: actor Harold Russell that was in that movie The Best

1188
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: Years of Our Lives from the forties, like I guess

1189
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: nineteen forty six, and he was he actually lost his

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01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 2: hands when he was in the military World War two,

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01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 2: but that was like what his role was in the

1192
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: movie is that he played a soldier that was coming

1193
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: home from the war and he's kind of readjusting to

1194
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 2: his life and you know, at home. But he basically

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01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: played himself in the movie and was actually amazing and

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01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: and won an oscar.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I've seen that.

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01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 5: I've never seen that before where that's like maybe that's

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Speaker 5: one of the early instances of it.

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01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, what do you think about, Like this

1201
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: is sort of an offshoot of the non actor but

1202
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: like when you can tell I feel like this happens

1203
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: a lot where you can tell it's like the author

1204
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: of the book the movies based on they have a

1205
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: line in the movie, or like I feel like it's

1206
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: very immediate when you can tell, like is that somebody

1207
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: connected to this.

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01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 5: They fell shoehorned in and they sort of like they're acting.

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01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 5: They're acting sort of stilted, but not quite like a

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01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 5: non actor. They have like they think that what they're

1211
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 5: doing is okay, but they feel so uncomfortable because it's

1212
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 5: just like this thing where yeah, I don't know, it's

1213
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 5: suff it's so interesting.

1214
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: I can't think of an example of that.

1215
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna lie. I mean, this is kind of a stretch,

1216
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 2: I spose, but I think about Tarantino in his own movies.

1217
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,879
Speaker 1: That's a that's a classic one. Yeah, totally.

1218
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 5: I think I was watching Rewatch Nebraska on the plane,

1219
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 5: probably like a week and a half ago, and that

1220
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 5: movie I think that why can I think of his name?

1221
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: Right now?

1222
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 5: I'm having I have name issues in the last couple

1223
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 5: of years, Like I think my brain has filled up

1224
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 5: with names, Like I can remember every one in my

1225
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 5: third grade class, Yeah, but I can't remember like my

1226
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 5: literally one of my favorite directors who is alive right

1227
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 5: now is Alexander Alexander Payne.

1228
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 2: Right.

1229
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: That's been happening to me so much, and I host

1230
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: a movie podcast now and it's becoming like an issue

1231
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: for my livelihood.

1232
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 5: It's like it really does like bother me. I think

1233
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 5: it's just like that the brain. It's like, you know,

1234
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 5: it's unfortunate, but it's just it's just the nature of age.

1235
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 5: But Alexander Payne in Nebraska, there's definitely I might I

1236
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 5: didn't research this, but there's got to be some non

1237
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 5: actors in Nebraska.

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01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 1: Well, I'm from Minnesota, obviously, and I have some relatives

1239
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: in Nebraska, and I happened to know that one of

1240
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: my relatives doctors, is in that movie. Are you serious?

1241
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1242
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: I can can confirm that there's a non actor. What part?

1243
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: What part is it? I can't There's a scene where

1244
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: they go to the doctor and they're like stitching up

1245
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: Bruce during at the got like stitches or something. He's

1246
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: like one of the doctors or one of the nurses helping. Hilarious.

1247
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: So yes, there are Yeah, it definitely and it definitely

1248
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: has that vibe. Yeah, it really makes the movie so

1249
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: much better. Like that movie.

1250
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 5: I watched it when it first came out, and I

1251
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 5: liked it a lot, But watching it again, I like

1252
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 5: love it so much. I can't believe how much I

1253
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 5: loved it.

1254
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think, Like, you know, why do

1255
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: you like this concept so much? Like what does it

1256
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: do to the movie having a non actor, you know,

1257
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: mixing it up with professional actors? What is it? How

1258
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: does like the tone of the movie sort of change?

1259
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: I think it grounds it more.

1260
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 5: It also brings it just brings like some sort of

1261
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 5: reality to it, especially if you doing places that are

1262
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 5: small towns or sort of you're having something that's kind

1263
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 5: of like maybe bleak or sort of dark. There's like

1264
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 5: sort of the reality of a real person talking. I

1265
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 5: think the best example of it is in that what's

1266
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 5: some of me? Francis McDorman did where she was Is

1267
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 5: it called Nomad, the one where she's traveling around?

1268
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, mad Land. So you watch that movie.

1269
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 5: That movie is filled with non actors on purpose, But

1270
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 5: I think that movie uses them in a bad way

1271
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 5: because all it does is show you how incredibly beautiful

1272
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 5: Francis McDorman and David Straith Hearn are. Because you see

1273
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 5: these real people, like she's supposed to be playing like

1274
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 5: this salt of the Earth person and you see her

1275
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 5: next to a real person, You're like, oh my god,

1276
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 5: like this is not working. These are not These are

1277
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 5: not the same people. She does not experience life the

1278
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 5: same way as the other person, does, you know, because

1279
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 5: she's just stunning and radiant.

1280
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: Where it's this it almost needs to be commented on

1281
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: within the film, like this woman's beautiful, what is she

1282
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: doing here? Like it almost like ruins the reality of

1283
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: the world.

1284
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 5: That's why that movie was room for me, because I

1285
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 5: felt like I don't believe this for a second because

1286
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 5: there's too many real people around her. It makes it

1287
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 5: feel like she's some sort of like she's not experiencing

1288
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 5: the same thing they are.

1289
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 2: I think about this actually all the time because I

1290
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 2: moved back, you know, I lived in LA for a

1291
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: few years, moved back to my hometown in Atlanta recently.

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Speaker 2: And you know Atlanta, there's a lot of productions here,

1293
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: and there's movie people that live all of them. Oh yeah,

1294
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: But it's funny because when you're in LA, you're like,

1295
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: everybody sort of looks preserved and like fresh faced in

1296
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 2: this weird way, even if they're not like even acting

1297
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 2: or they're just like, you know, we're all just like

1298
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 2: in this you know, weird town that where everybody just

1299
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 2: kind of looks like there was.

1300
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: A skincare routine. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

1301
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 2: But then when I moved back to Atlanta, the difference

1302
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 2: between actor and then normal person is really vast here.

1303
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, it's funny because when you are

1304
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 2: at a restaurant, for example, you're just like eating a diner,

1305
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, somebody walks in and they're

1306
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 2: just like elevated. They've got that like elevated Francis McDorman. Look,

1307
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, they're an actor and they moved here

1308
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 2: from Hollywood. They don't live here because everybody else looks

1309
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 2: like a fucking goblin. You know, and you're just like

1310
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: the line between that. I think that's really important that

1311
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: you say that, because it's like, yeah, when you're in

1312
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: a movie environment and you're like, oh, like you're all

1313
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 2: these normal looking people and then all of a sudden,

1314
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 2: hot ass David Strethayir and walks in and you're like, well,

1315
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 2: he's not old homeless guy, he's I know.

1316
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 5: I mean that's the thing that's like a lot of

1317
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 5: these people they're older and they play character roles and

1318
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 5: you're just like, they're they're fucking stunning, yes, And you

1319
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 5: can't imagine what is it like to be around someone

1320
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 5: who's like, like, if you're around Marco Robbie, are you

1321
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 5: just you can't look at her and you turn to stone?

1322
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: Or is the opposite? Does she look hideous in person?

1323
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 5: Because there's some sort of like a you know, you

1324
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 5: once you go over the top, you'd fall off the

1325
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 5: back or something like that.

1326
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1327
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: Well, even on her day, even on her worst day,

1328
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 2: she still looks like a beautiful alien like, because she's

1329
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: still going to be beautiful and thin and gorgeous even

1330
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: if she hasn't fucking slept and was on a bender

1331
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like she's gonna be beautiful still, she just.

1332
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: Can't help it. It can't help it at all. This

1333
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: happened a lot when I saw the movie The Safti

1334
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: brother So, the Saftie Brothers, I feel.

1335
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 5: Like they do a lot of that. Yeah, they're great

1336
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 5: with it. They do a great job of that.

1337
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: They do they do. But I really and I really

1338
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: like this movie good time. But again, it's like Robert Pattinson.

1339
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, he's like a super hunk and stunning.

1340
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: It's like, why is no one in this film commenting

1341
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: on that.

1342
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like it's a I don't know why.

1343
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 5: I somehow feel like it works in that one. Maybe

1344
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 5: because it's so for me, I was fine. Yeah, they

1345
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 5: kind of make him look insane, so I feel like

1346
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 5: that was sort of the work around. I also think

1347
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 5: there's a lot of men out there who are like him,

1348
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 5: who are sort of crazy, have a lot of energy

1349
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 5: and maybe crime adjacent, who are very beautiful, And that's

1350
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 5: sort of why they're able to do that, because they

1351
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 5: get away with a lot of shit. Because one time,

1352
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 5: my wife and I are walking to like the farmers market,

1353
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 5: this is years ago, and some guy comes up to

1354
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 5: us some young man probably younger than me ton and

1355
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 5: he was like asking to borrow our phones. He had

1356
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 5: to call someone. I'm like, what's going on here? But

1357
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 5: he like he winked at my wife in this way.

1358
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,759
Speaker 5: He was like, Oh, this guy is used to getting

1359
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 5: away with shit. I'm like, we're not giving you my

1360
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 5: fucking phone, man, But he's used to people being like

1361
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 5: cause you you know, sweet, and like, oh, yeah, I

1362
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 5: got this problem.

1363
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: Clearly.

1364
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 5: This man just got kicked out of someone's apartment like

1365
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 5: he's in Yeah. He was almost like like a minor

1366
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 5: version of that character from Good Time. But I'm like,

1367
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 5: oh my god, this guy is so used to just

1368
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 5: getting getting by with a wink and a smile.

1369
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And oh man, do you remember do you remember

1370
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 2: when the Jesus guy in La was alive? Do you

1371
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: remember that the Jesus from the Jesus and he used

1372
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 2: to walk around Hollywood. He just dresses Jesus, I sort

1373
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 2: of do.

1374
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: I guess so I missed him. I'm sorry, Well, I

1375
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: don't know.

1376
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 2: I I every time I would come to La before

1377
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: I moved there, when i'd be working, you know, over

1378
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 2: by the Chinese Theater, in that whole Hollywood and Highland

1379
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 2: area right, which is like rife for people.

1380
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: To dress like Jesus.

1381
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 2: I would always see the Jesus like he was eating

1382
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: a Baja fresh or like walking around wore like a

1383
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 2: full white robe. I actually think I have a picture

1384
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: of him somewhere. But he was effectively like an unhoused guy,

1385
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 2: I suppose, or maybe just like living in Squalor. But

1386
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: he was just walking around. He was goddamn gorgeous like

1387
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: his even as it's an old Jesus guy. He had

1388
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 2: this like silky long hair, he had a he had

1389
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 2: perfect and I was just like, damn man, la is

1390
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 2: wild for this, Like why are they, you know, like

1391
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 2: pumping out these these street characters who are basically they

1392
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 2: could literally walk onto a set and be in an

1393
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 2: actual movie.

1394
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's a different life. I guess it's

1395
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 5: such a it's such an interesting thing.

1396
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know who else? Actually, speaking of the

1397
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 2: Sappie Brothers, you know who else? Does I feel like

1398
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 2: directors that really use a lot of non actors in

1399
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,919
Speaker 2: like the best way are the Coen Brothers.

1400
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 5: Oh really, I'm trying to what are some examples of

1401
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 5: that I have noticed that Well.

1402
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 2: You know, it's like if you're watching some of their movies,

1403
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 2: like normally people who are like working in the rises

1404
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 2: and in the background stuff are typically like locals that

1405
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 2: they've hired to like play people that own gas stations

1406
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 2: and our secretaries and stuff. And I just think that

1407
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 2: they have such a good eye for that, Like I

1408
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: feel like they're always looking like they That to me

1409
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: is what I like about a Coen Brothers Moore like

1410
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: or directors that use non actors. Sometimes it's because they're

1411
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: going into the community and they're actually picking like people

1412
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 2: that kind of look look like a part. And the

1413
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: people that they pick are just so fun. They're just

1414
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: like older people that have like kind of weird do

1415
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 2: drop glasses or like crazy mustaches, and You're just like,

1416
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, like somebody like somebody's grandpa, is you know,

1417
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 2: playing the guy that you know owns the diner or whatever.

1418
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know. I think it gives

1419
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 2: it a kind of a personal touch and kind of

1420
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 2: makes me like them a little bit more because.

1421
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 5: I absolutely, yeah, I love that so much. There's my

1422
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 5: one of my favorite examples of all time. I'm not

1423
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 5: sure if this is true, but it feels like it.

1424
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 5: I guess it just feels like it's real. Because Peterberg,

1425
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 5: you've seen Patriots Day.

1426
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:38,799
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I mean most.

1427
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 5: People who like movies haven't seen it. I like them,

1428
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 5: I like a lot of I have a thing where

1429
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 5: I love every Peterburg movie I love. I love I've

1430
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 5: seen them all like a couple of times. I love

1431
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 5: all the fast and furious movies like any kind they

1432
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 5: are to be, I understand. I love them so much.

1433
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 5: There's something about them. I feel like they're the last

1434
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 5: movie movies, you know what I mean, like in a

1435
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 5: classical sense, where because they're outside of the critical evaluation,

1436
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 5: no one's reviewing them, and people who watch them don't

1437
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 5: care if they have her reviews. They're just gonna watch them.

1438
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 5: But Patriots Day, there's one scene where they close in

1439
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 5: on the bad guys, and there was like a little

1440
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 5: little bit of a all the cops, all the different cops,

1441
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 5: all the different types of cops, like the local, the sheriffs,

1442
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 5: the police, they have, they had their guns trained on

1443
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 5: this place with the is the Sarnara brothers or hunker

1444
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 5: down in that boat house behind this person's behind this

1445
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 5: person's house, and there's this woman who comes up on

1446
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 5: the rooftop. She's like this butch lady with short hair.

1447
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 5: She's a she's a cop, and the FBI is like,

1448
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 5: you can't be here, it's not your jurisdiction. She's like, kiss,

1449
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 5: my ANSWER's not my jurisdiction. I'm a local Boston PD cop.

1450
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be here right here.

1451
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 5: And it's just like she has so much energy and

1452
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,799
Speaker 5: the way she delivers that, You're like, this, this lady's

1453
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 5: for real. This is like a real cop. I just

1454
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 5: love it so much. She's like the best moment in

1455
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,959
Speaker 5: the entire movie, I feel like, because she just sassage

1456
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 5: this guy so hard he's like, Okay, you got it.

1457
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 1: Is interesting because it's like, you know, non actors are

1458
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: limited in their ability to act. Yeah, non actors, but

1459
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: they are able to punch a moment up or like,

1460
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: when given the right tools, they can like really do

1461
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: something with so much more reality and enthusiasm than like

1462
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 1: a real actor could ever do. Right.

1463
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 5: You know, it's like this woman who's a cop in Boston,

1464
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 5: she's probably been taking shit since she was born. You know,

1465
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 5: you can just see all of her history and that

1466
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 5: moment that she's so tough and so like Leathery, she's

1467
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 5: so used to dealing with all these men who were

1468
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 5: you know, you can just tell that's her reality. If

1469
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 5: she is an actor, that's even great too, because it's

1470
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 5: a great performance.

1471
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: But she's not.

1472
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 5: I'm also like, this is just the reality of her life.

1473
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 5: And she's literally being talked to in that moment about

1474
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 5: how she's probably been talked to her entire career. So

1475
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 5: she's so used to just sounding off against these these

1476
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 5: dudes who think they can just dismiss her.

1477
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: That was like, oh my god, this is just great.

1478
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 5: You feel like she's the only going to be the

1479
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 5: one who saves a day because of that attitude she's got.

1480
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's funny because I was when I

1481
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 2: was really going back to thinking about this, because I mean,

1482
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: there's obviously like this huge tradition of these of like

1483
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 2: musicians who become actors, and like, you know, there's people

1484
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 2: like Tom Waits, and you know, I don't know people

1485
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 2: who kind of like appeared in a movie and then

1486
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 2: continue to act. Dwight yoakum whomever.

1487
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: I think Dwight, Oh, go ahead, I'll know.

1488
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 2: Dwight's amazing.

1489
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 5: By the way, when I saw Slingwade for the first time,

1490
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 5: I was like, who is this actor? He's the best

1491
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 5: part of the entire movie. And I'm like, USh, he's

1492
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 5: a famous country musician. Like this isn't fair. This isn't

1493
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 5: fair at all.

1494
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. I mean all I have to

1495
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 2: say is crank, like the Crank movies, Like.

1496
01:21:58,920 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's in Crank.

1497
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I's Crank too, which is to me, he's a

1498
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,759
Speaker 2: the better Crank. But I uh, he is absolutely fucking

1499
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: wild in that movie. Just like his look, his everything.

1500
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: He says the greatest.

1501
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really great. But I was thinking about actually

1502
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: I was looking this up because I was like, there

1503
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: hadn't she couldn't have been an actual actor. But then

1504
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: I think she started in a movie and then again

1505
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 2: like kind of started appearing in more movies. But do

1506
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 2: you remember the movie True Stories that was about talking

1507
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: heads and it's direct. There's a character who I think

1508
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 2: is just called the Lying Woman and she's just got

1509
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 2: this like really thick Southern accent and she was just

1510
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 2: always telling lies to people when she would meet them.

1511
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 2: To be like, you know, I used to date the

1512
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 2: I used to date Rambo, the real Rambo and he

1513
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 2: was obsessed with me, like he and You're just like

1514
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 2: watching this woman and I'm like, first of all, that's

1515
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 2: a completely authentic Southern accent, which I appreciate. And I

1516
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 2: actually would rather have a local non actor playing a

1517
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: Southern person than a Hollywood person playing a Southern person, right.

1518
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: Because Hollywood really loves to they love to chew on

1519
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: that Southern accent.

1520
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 2: Oh, and it's bad as a Southern person. I'm like, no,

1521
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 2: that's not an authentic Southern accent. But this woman calms

1522
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 2: out the gate with an authentic Southern accent. And I'm like,

1523
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: who is she? And yeah, I think she was just

1524
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 2: like a poet and a performance artist. But then I

1525
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: think True Stories was her first movie, and then she's

1526
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: been in movies subsequently. But like, she's my favorite character

1527
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 2: in that entire movie. And I was like, man, I

1528
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 2: could watch an entire movie with is her.

1529
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 5: I have watched it, guy, I haven't watched it in

1530
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 5: twenty years. I think, Yes, that is good fun, That

1531
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 5: is good, Johnny.

1532
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: Have you ever worked with a non Have you ever

1533
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: been in this situation as the actor working with a

1534
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: non actor?

1535
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I forget everything, I really do, Like I

1536
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 5: forget so much stuff I have. I you know what

1537
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 5: I did actually sort of, but it's like a weird

1538
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 5: story work with someone who it's it's too long of

1539
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 5: a story. It's like the long story of all time.

1540
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 5: But I did work with someone once who right before

1541
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 5: we right before we started shooting our scene, she asked me,

1542
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 5: do I look in the camera?

1543
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: Do I look at you? Fascinating?

1544
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, just look at me, pretend

1545
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 5: the camera's not there. I was thinking, like, oh my god,

1546
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 5: this it was our first time acting on anything ever. Yeah. Yeah,

1547
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 5: And it was as they hired her by mistake, and

1548
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 5: it was a whole it's a long it's the long

1549
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 5: story I have and I can't even tell it.

1550
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: But that is wild because that kind of goes like,

1551
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: have you ever seen a movie or are people looking

1552
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: in the camera? If they're not, I don't know, you know,

1553
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: but like I could see how you just yeah, in

1554
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: that moment. There's a lot of people. You always forget that.

1555
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: Some people.

1556
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 5: They just they think that being on set, they like

1557
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 5: can't understand how it's possible not to be extremely nervous.

1558
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1559
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have good friends of mine who were comedians

1560
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 5: and stuff who asked me that They're like, how aren't

1561
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 5: you like nervous?

1562
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I don't know.

1563
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 5: I mean like I'm not like, uh, I'm not like,

1564
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 5: you know, picking my nose and and doing nothing. But

1565
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 5: I could definitely like it's like a weird sort of

1566
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 5: thing where I don't know, it's like a disconnect. Yeah,

1567
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 5: but so I can see how certain people and all

1568
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 5: you should be if you look at it objectively, it

1569
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 5: should be this thing where there's no possible way to

1570
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 5: be relaxed because all these people are looking at you. Yeah,

1571
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 5: like hundreds of people are looking at you, Johnny.

1572
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you, you know, as a

1573
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: fellow Minnesotan, when you moved to Los Angeles to pursue comedy,

1574
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: where there are people in Minnesota in your life that

1575
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: were surprised or sort of shocked by that decision.

1576
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 5: I mean, I think there probably was some surprise and

1577
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 5: not I didn't have a lot of support. I was

1578
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 5: just dogged, you know, I was like, yeah, I didn't

1579
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 5: give a shit about what anyone thinks. I still think

1580
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 5: it's crazy that people care so much about what their

1581
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 5: parents think think. I think it's absolutely I think it's

1582
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 5: almost a weird sort of mental illness that we have.

1583
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 5: But you care what your parents think about what you're doing, Like,

1584
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 5: I don't give a shit what they think at all.

1585
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 5: I could care less. Yeah, you know, it's it's like

1586
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 5: a thing where you know, I just wanted to do it,

1587
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 5: and simple as that, I don't know. I just I

1588
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 5: think it's a lot of it was me being truly

1589
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 5: ignorant to anything whatsoever, and I think I still have

1590
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 5: that ignorance to where it's like a weird type of

1591
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 5: confidence that is based in a type of ignorance I think,

1592
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 5: but also just because I just don't, like, there's nothing

1593
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 5: else I would be happy doing, so I would just

1594
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 5: be so miserable otherwise that I would be you know,

1595
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 5: I don't I don't want to do anything else. I guess,

1596
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 5: simple as that, it's almost at once like you can't

1597
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 5: have a backup plan because then you'll just do that

1598
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 5: backup plan. I talking with you know Shay Wigham, right, oh, yes,

1599
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 5: talking with him there to day. He was saying something about,

1600
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 5: you know, just like you know, he was like, I

1601
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 5: could live in a anywhere I live in a cardboard

1602
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 5: box and do this. I don't give a shit about anything.

1603
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 5: I don't care where I drive, don't care where I live,

1604
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 5: because you just want to do the thing. And that's

1605
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 5: I think that's what I was thinking about when I

1606
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 5: first started, is it was all about what's what you're

1607
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 5: doing good? And that's all it mattered. It didn't matter

1608
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 5: who made most money. It was I was completely and

1609
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 5: totally blind to anything other than it is this good.

1610
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 5: It's just respectable. Because sometimes people would there'd be people

1611
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 5: who are like famous or for something. I'm like, yeah,

1612
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 5: but that that thing sucks. That's a stupid show. Why

1613
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 5: would you Why would you feel be like, oh, I'm

1614
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 5: on this show, like yeah, it's a it's a dumb,

1615
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 5: unfunny show. Like I'm you're stupid, You're You're not cool

1616
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 5: at all, You're not cool, You're boring. Yeah.

1617
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how do you reconcile if you, like,

1618
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 1: if you're in something that you know, Because as an

1619
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: actor you have such little creative control. Sometimes it's like,

1620
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: how do you reconcile if you're in something where you're like,

1621
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: this is the wrong creative decision for this project. But

1622
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: I can't. I just eat it.

1623
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 5: I just have to eat it and remember that a lot.

1624
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: For a while.

1625
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 5: I would do that once a year to remind myself

1626
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 5: I would make a mistake, I would do something. I'd

1627
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 5: say yes to a thing. I'm in there, and I'm like,

1628
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:28,799
Speaker 5: what am.

1629
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: I doing here?

1630
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 5: And I would be like, God, okay, I just got

1631
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 5: to be nice. I gotta be nice because otherwise, you know,

1632
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 5: you have all these stories about people who say yes

1633
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 5: to something and they're just fucking miserable and they're mean

1634
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 5: to people all because they don't want to be there.

1635
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 5: But they had a choice to be there or not.

1636
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 5: So I don't know, it just I have to just

1637
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 5: remind myself that as much as possible and try to

1638
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 5: work on my own things as much as I can,

1639
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 5: because yeah, if I'm doing that, then I you know,

1640
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 5: I feel good about Also sometimes, you know, a lot

1641
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 5: of I'm really lucky that a lot of this stuff

1642
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 5: I've worked on is extremely collaborative. And like this movie

1643
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,879
Speaker 5: that's coming out probably in March of twenty six called Mermaid,

1644
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 5: and that was like, you know, I was the lead

1645
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 5: of that film and it was extremely collaborative in a

1646
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 5: great way. And that's the kind of thing where I

1647
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 5: love that. Same with Fallout is extremely collaborative in terms

1648
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 5: of just everything about what's going on there. And so, yeah,

1649
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 5: that stuff is great. I do love that, but every

1650
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 5: once in a while it's not and I just have

1651
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 5: to eat it or and remind myself to have to

1652
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 5: be make be careful about what I decided to work on.

1653
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 2: How is voice acting in comparison to live acting? Do

1654
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 2: you prefer one to the other or is it just

1655
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 2: kind of different things?

1656
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 5: I mean, they're super different. I think that there's a

1657
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 5: huge misconception about voice acting. People like, oh, you should

1658
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 5: show up in your pajamas just easy. Acting is so

1659
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 5: much more difficult than live action acting.

1660
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: Wow, it's so.

1661
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 5: Much more difficult because you have to generate. Everything that

1662
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 5: you're doing has to come through your voice. So if

1663
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 5: there's like a moment there, you don't have the benefit

1664
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 5: of the camera seeing things and having an environment that

1665
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 5: tells the storyline with you. It's all told through your voice,

1666
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 5: So you have to do I mean, I would do this.

1667
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 5: I did the show Pickle and Peanut for Disney Channel

1668
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 5: for a couple of years, and man, we do like

1669
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 5: a four hour voiceover session. We did a couple episodes.

1670
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 5: I would be so incredibly exhausted afterwards, just because it's

1671
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 5: so much. You're doing so much. It's it's a weird

1672
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 5: thing where your body's not exhausted, but your mind is,

1673
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 5: and so it feels like this disconnect. But I mean,

1674
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 5: I love voice acting. I love it so much. That's

1675
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 5: the one thing I'll always like, even the smallest thing.

1676
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 5: If I have time, I'll do do it just because

1677
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,879
Speaker 5: I find it to be so fun, because it's almost

1678
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 5: like it's kind of psychedelic in a way. In a way,

1679
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 5: but because you're you're just it all lives inside the sound.

1680
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:09,839
Speaker 5: And I think sound is uh. We don't talk about actors'

1681
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 5: voices as much as we should. I think there's a

1682
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 5: lot of actors who have who who can't fail because

1683
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 5: their voice is just so unique and you just love

1684
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 5: to hear them talk, you know, like Dwight Yoakum, Like

1685
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 5: I could listen to him talk and sling blade for

1686
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 5: I could watch him just reading anything because just his

1687
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 5: voice is so lyrical and.

1688
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: Everything about it.

1689
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 5: And I think that the voice is, uh, the voice

1690
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 5: is kind of everything in a way, that voice and

1691
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 5: physicality and the rest of it's the rest of it's

1692
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 5: just magic.

1693
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Johnny Thank you so much for being on

1694
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: the show today. I really appreciate you coming on. This

1695
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:50,719
Speaker 1: is fabulous getting to talk to fella Minnesota. Yeah, always

1696
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: kidding me another Minnesota. Yeah. Is there anything you'd like

1697
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 1: to plug? Oh, I don't know, I mean, uh.

1698
01:31:59,080 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1699
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 5: When Mermaid, I wish we had I wish I had

1700
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 5: a I'll probably find out in five minutes when it's

1701
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 5: coming out. Yeah, that lookout for Mermaid for sure. Otherwise,

1702
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 5: I'm doing a bunch of live shows coming up. I'm

1703
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 5: taping my first comedy special in the new year, So

1704
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 5: I'm running the special a bunch of different theaters. You

1705
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,560
Speaker 5: can find it at all on my website. Johnny Pemberton

1706
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 5: dot dog. That is.

1707
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 2: What it is.

1708
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Yes, it's fun, it's good. That's good. Well, thank you again, Johnny.

1709
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Love talking with y'all. All Right,

1710
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: we are back. That was a great combo with Johnny Pemberton.

1711
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 1: Love talking to Johnny.

1712
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 2: What a delight.

1713
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: Love talking to Filla Minnesotan. Check him out in Fallout

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01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 1: or Superstore. He's got a lot going on.

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01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 2: He's great.

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01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: Okay, now it is time for employees picks, where we

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Speaker 1: have a film recommendation. Based on the theme of the discussion,

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01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to recommend David Cronenberg's Crimes of the Future

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01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty two. This is a futuristic dystopian sci

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01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: fi movie where human evolution has accelerated to the point

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01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: where they we no longer feel pain or it's like

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01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: greatly reduced. So the movie is about a performance artist

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01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 1: played by Vigo Mortensen. His character's name is Saul Tenser,

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01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 1: which I think is a funny name, and he like

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01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: cuts himself open on stage, and that's like there's a

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01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,839
Speaker 1: lot of like performance art of like people slicing themselves

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01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,879
Speaker 1: open because they don't feel it anymore. But another aspect

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01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: of this movie is people are evolving to the point

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01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: where they can't eat food anymore. Their body does not

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01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: work with eating food, but they need sustenance. So people

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01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: are starting to evolve to the point where they need

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01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: to eat plastic, and that is what they survive on

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01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: is eating plastics, and what their body wants is to

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01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: eat plastic. I think about microplastics, I think about you know,

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01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 1: there's kind of the conversation Milli and I were just

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01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: having about industrialization and people becoming machine like and Crimes

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01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: of the Future really summed up that fear well in

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01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 1: that movie. So check out Crimes in the Future twenty

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01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: twenty two.

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01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 2: It's great.

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01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 1: It's gross, though. If you don't like body horror, maybe

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01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 1: stay away.

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01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 2: But that's a good recommendation, Thank you. Sure not surprising

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01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 2: that you Yeah, not surprising that you would recommend Chrota

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01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 2: at all. Not surprising whatsoever. Yeah, well, we know my

1746
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 2: recommendation is even more of an obvious layup than a

1747
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 2: Kronaberg movie from Casey. I'm gonna recommend I'm gonna say this,

1748
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 2: there's a caveat. I'm going to recommend that you watch

1749
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 2: Fritz Long's Metropolis from nineteen twenty seven.

1750
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: A shithead suggestion if I've ever heard, I know it.

1751
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 2: Is one of the biggest of the shithead suggestions. However,

1752
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna dare not be even more shtheaded and suggests

1753
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 2: that you watch this with a live score if you can.

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01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,600
Speaker 2: Ooh cool, It is actually really great to watch it

1755
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 2: with a live score, like if you I mean this

1756
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 2: is a type of movie, by the way, It's a

1757
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 2: silent film, a German film. It's about industrialism and like

1758
01:35:56,120 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 2: class warfare and evil Android ladies. There's a lot going

1759
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 2: on in this movie, much like Tetsu with the Iron Man. However,

1760
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 2: this movie is this has done a lot and I've

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01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 2: seen it in Atlanta, I've seen it in La I've

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01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 2: seen it in a couple of other cities where people,

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01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, they'll have like they'll bring in like a

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01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 2: musician or a orchestra to do a live score, and

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01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 2: it just really makes the experience so much better. Like,

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01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 2: it's really great and if you can access it, like

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01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 2: it might happen in your town once in a while

1768
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 2: where you live, or maybe if you're in a town

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01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 2: where it happens, go and see it because it can

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01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 2: be really really I don't know, it just really like

1771
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 2: kicks it up a notch. But that's cool. Yeah, I mean,

1772
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 2: this is one of the classics of world cinema. So

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01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 2: watch it, but also watch with score.

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01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: It's cool to see a movie with a live score.

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01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: That's like a really cool experience. I saw a Texas

1776
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: chainsaw massacre with a live score. That was the first

1777
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,919
Speaker 1: time I'd ever seen it. Wow, that was amazing.

1778
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 2: One of my favorite hilarious stories about seeing a movie

1779
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 2: with a live scor is that I a long time

1780
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 2: ago in Atlanta, I watched the Passion of Jodo of

1781
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 2: Arc with Cat Power doing the live score. Oh and

1782
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 2: she left halfway halfway through the movie and never came back.

1783
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 2: And that was weird.

1784
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: Wow. Was there any explanation ever given?

1785
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 2: Is there ever an explanation in these instances?

1786
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: I just just having time.

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01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 2: She was playing the piano, and then all of a

1788
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 2: sudden she did the thing where she just slapped the

1789
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 2: keys like a kitty cat that's jumping on top of

1790
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 2: a piano key, and then she just closed the piano

1791
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 2: and left the stage and then never came back. And

1792
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 2: we were all like, wow, I guess we should go.

1793
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:50,640
Speaker 2: I think we should go.

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01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 1: Did you watch the rest of the movie or was

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01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: it over? Hell?

1796
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 2: No, We're gonna watch it incomplete silence.

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01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: Like I guess, yeah, that's true.

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01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 2: Good try though, good try, I guess, good, try long

1799
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 2: so I get it.

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01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Wow, Millie, we did it.

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01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:12,679
Speaker 2: That's the end of Halloween, folks. Thank you for being

1802
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 2: with us all month and being spooky with us.

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01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 1: I'm sad, are you?

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01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 2: Yes?

1805
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: I look forward to this time of year all year long.

1806
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Well, you could make the good times last.

1807
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 2: Who says that you can't keep it going.

1808
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: You know, there's like this. I feel like sometimes when

1809
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 1: you're running in these shithead circles, there's a lot of judgment.

1810
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 1: And I remember telling a group of people like, yeah,

1811
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm excited for October. My wife and I we watch

1812
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 1: a horror movie every night of October. And they said

1813
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: just in October. Oh, And I was like, I don't

1814
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 1: want to speak to you ever again.

1815
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm gonna take my mustache off for this. That's

1816
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 2: and I don't think you should be friends with people

1817
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 2: like that, all right, So let's wrap this up. I

1818
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 2: I personally think that if you have anything to say

1819
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 2: to either one of us, if you're in need of

1820
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 2: film advice, if you have a film gripe, if you

1821
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:21,799
Speaker 2: have a consensual film group, if you have a film regret,

1822
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 2: which is also called a gret, a film gret, any

1823
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 2: of the g's, please email us at Dear Movies exactly

1824
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:33,760
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1825
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 2: leave us a voicemail with any of those things, please

1826
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 2: do so. Just record it on your iPhone or your

1827
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:47,799
Speaker 2: Android or Google phone or your Metropolis mobile device.

1828
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: Record it into your Metropolis robot woman. Yes, and she

1829
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 1: can em it to us exactly.

1830
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 2: But just make sure it's under a minute. We would

1831
01:39:56,439 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 2: really appreciate that and email it to dear movie said

1832
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 2: exactly Reba dot com. That's right.

1833
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 1: You can follow us on our socials at Deer Movies

1834
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:07,879
Speaker 1: I Love You on Instagram and Facebook. Our letterbox handles

1835
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,639
Speaker 1: are at Casey le O'Brien and at m de Chercho.

1836
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 1: And please listen to Deer Movies I Love You on

1837
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

1838
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 2: Next week, Wow, what you want to do? What you

1839
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 2: want to do?

1840
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 1: We're doing one battle after another. By Paul Thomas Anderson.

1841
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 2: Have you seen it?

1842
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I'm seeing it this week. I'm

1843
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:38,760
Speaker 1: very excited. This is all your homework to go see it,

1844
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: because we're going to be talking about it, maybe mildly

1845
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 1: spoiling it, or maybe not so mildly, maybe just straight

1846
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 1: up spoiling it.

1847
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel like they're going to be spoilers,

1848
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 2: so please stay tuned for it. But yeah, it's going

1849
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 2: to be It's the opposite of Tatsoo of The Iron Man.

1850
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 2: It's three hours long, so just strap in for that.

1851
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 2: But yeah, I can't wait to discuss it with you.

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01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 6: It is a juggered off me too. It is a

1853
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 6: barn burner, very excited. All right, Millie, please I have

1854
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 6: a happy Halloween.

1855
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 2: Don't you mean? Mario? Please have a hobby.

1856
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:16,759
Speaker 1: Here, Mario, Mario.

1857
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 2: I can keep this hat, by the way, because it

1858
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 2: is m Yeah. I actually steamed steamed it because it

1859
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:31,400
Speaker 2: was wrinkly. So this is an actual hat I could wear.

1860
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: When was the last time you played Mario or the

1861
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 1: Super Mario Brothers?

1862
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 2: Oh if it wasn't too long ago, because I played

1863
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: is it Mario Party? Super Mario Party? That's kind of

1864
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 2: like the like one of the new games on the

1865
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 2: Switch with my nephews, and one of my nephews was

1866
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 2: so pissed that he that they were losing that he

1867
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 2: like had a temper tantrum, and I walked out of

1868
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 2: the game. I was like, no, we're not to do this.

1869
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 2: You've got to be a good winner in this world.

1870
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:07,679
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't care if I have too many

1871
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 2: fucking coins. I'm older than you.

1872
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:11,879
Speaker 1: You're not gonna take it easy on these kids.

1873
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 2: No, but it was fun.

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01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 1: Heck, it was fun.

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01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 2: Okay, very good all right, well, thanks everybody, Thanks for

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01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 2: listening everyone, Thanks Casey.

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01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 1: Bye, Goodbye, good bye, good Bye Halloween.

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01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:37,959
Speaker 2: Milli to Chercho and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa Ilac.

1883
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 2: Our incredible theme music is by the best man in

1884
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 2: the entire world, The Softies.

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01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Kramer and Milly

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01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 6: To Jericho, we love you, Goodbye, becaving anything,