WEBVTT - The Michael King Execution: “He’s Going To Burn In Hell”

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, everybody. Welcome to Amy and TJ Presents the

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<v Speaker 1>Michael King Execution. We are talking about Florida's fourth execution

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<v Speaker 1>this year, but it's more about the crime that led

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<v Speaker 1>to the execution that has everyone talking, that has changed

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<v Speaker 1>laws and certainly saved lives. And with that, everyone, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to this episode of Amy and TJ Presents. I'm Amy

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<v Speaker 1>Roeboch alongside TJ Holmes. Michael King pronounced dead at six

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen pm Eastern Time this past Tuesday. That was March seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>and the execution chamber was full.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is It's always fascinating to see who does

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<v Speaker 2>show up for these things. So oftentimes I do take

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<v Speaker 2>not years, not just a couple of decades sometime, but

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<v Speaker 2>in some cases several, three or four decades. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of family, friends, colleagues are gone. So it's it is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's I don't know. There's something very heartening and it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds about an execution. It's sweet that family members wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to see it through after sometimes decades. So yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>said a lot about who the person was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and in this case the victim, we should mention

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one year old Denise amber Lee. She was already

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<v Speaker 1>the mom of two, She had a two year old,

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<v Speaker 1>she had a six month old. We'll get into the

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<v Speaker 1>crime and why that crime made national headlines, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was and I say, just eighteen years ago that this

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<v Speaker 1>crime happened. And I say that because when we often

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<v Speaker 1>talk about executions and inmates on death row finally getting

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<v Speaker 1>that execution date, sometimes we're talking three decades, even four decades.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is actually a relatively quick from prosecution and

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<v Speaker 1>sentencing to actual execution. Just seventeen years actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Shortest one we've covered in the past two years without

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<v Speaker 2>not even close. This eighteen years is lightning fast compared

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<v Speaker 2>to the ones we've covered.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and so this might also speak to the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why so many people were able to be in that

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<v Speaker 1>execution chamber. We mentioned Denise Amberley was the victim. Her father,

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<v Speaker 1>her mother, her siblings, her husband, and her oldest child

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned he was two at the time, so he

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<v Speaker 1>was twenty at the time of the execution. Were all

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<v Speaker 1>there to see Michael King executed. And look, we talk

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about every execution is different, and it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>the last several we've covered, Babe, the inmates have had

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<v Speaker 1>not just a few final words but actually fairly significant

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<v Speaker 1>final words. And this is not necessarily the norm.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, oh no, it's we call them a morbid fascination.

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<v Speaker 2>But final meal and final words were always interested to hear,

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<v Speaker 2>and I swear all last year and we covered a

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<v Speaker 2>lot robes. There was some that said, no, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to say. I have that said one quick little

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<v Speaker 2>word or two. But man, when it seems real, when

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<v Speaker 2>they have something to say, they say.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's either this, it's his feast or family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and a lot of times, and at least it's

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<v Speaker 1>been wonderful to report those moments. We've had a few

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<v Speaker 1>recently where the inmates have offered an apology, have given

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of closure or peace to the family. So

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, Michael King did have quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>to say, but he did not offer an apology, and

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<v Speaker 1>according to Denise's family, he's never even acknowledged that he

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<v Speaker 1>committed this crime. But I'm going to read for you

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<v Speaker 1>his final words and let you take what you will

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<v Speaker 1>from them. Since finding Jesus in prison, I have tried

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<v Speaker 1>to live as his disciple, obeying the two great commandments

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<v Speaker 1>to love God with all my heart, my mind, and

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<v Speaker 1>all my being, and to love my neighbor, to include everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>my family, Denise Lee's family, everyone in the gallery, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the Catholic volunteers who visit the prison and

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<v Speaker 1>those on the team to end my life. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you make of that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, there are it matters. I take them at their word.

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<v Speaker 2>We have heard families say that hearing words at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of asking for forgiveness or taking responsibility have made

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<v Speaker 2>a difference in how they can go about the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>But he chose not to, even saying he's a disciple

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<v Speaker 1>of Christ and talked about how he found God, he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't offer that apology.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it meant to him at the

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<v Speaker 2>end where his head was at the end of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>What he was thinking at the end of his life,

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<v Speaker 2>I do not know.

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<v Speaker 3>But he didn't offer that.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that and I would say, yes, it does mean

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<v Speaker 2>something to the family because previous families have said so.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, and I you know, we can only imagine, thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>we can only imagine what it would be like. And

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<v Speaker 1>even though obviously nothing brings back your loved one, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>undoes the harm or the hurt. But there is a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of peace if you feel like at least someone

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<v Speaker 1>has atoned for their sins, acknowledged their sins, apologized for

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<v Speaker 1>their sins. Denise's family didn't get that, and interestingly, we

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<v Speaker 1>have some reactions. Some of the local press who was

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<v Speaker 1>there interviewed some of the family members. The first the

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<v Speaker 1>first response from one of the family members, no remorse,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't apologize, didn't ask for forgiveness, and just really showed

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<v Speaker 1>the true coward that he is.

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<v Speaker 3>The why right isn't that always the thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Why? Why? Why? Why?

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<v Speaker 2>And they didn't and we'll never get some answers that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's been the eighteen years, been almost

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years, but it does. I can't remember the one

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<v Speaker 2>from was it this year? It was this year, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember what. But the family said it meant everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just last week.

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<v Speaker 2>It meant everything to them to hear him say I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>can you forgive me? Right before he died. It meant everything, man.

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<v Speaker 2>And so to go in there, I don't know, ropes,

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<v Speaker 2>they were already in the place. It almost feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it stings even more to go in there for that

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<v Speaker 2>and still not get it right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what expectations, I'm sure they were lowered and look

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<v Speaker 1>her now. Twenty year old son, who was two at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of his mom's death, said, I unfortunately didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get the opportunity to know her and be raised by her,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know he picked a great mom. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think when he says he he's referring to God and

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<v Speaker 1>Michael had other plans. Now her husband, Nathan, and we

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<v Speaker 1>will get into his devotion to his wife. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they were young when they fell in love, young when

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<v Speaker 1>they got married, and young when they had two kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And he is still literally devoted every day of his

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<v Speaker 1>life to honoring her and making sure as best he can.

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<v Speaker 1>This doesn't happen to anyone else. But I love what

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<v Speaker 1>he had to say. He said, finally it's over, this

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<v Speaker 1>chapter is closed. I'm just super blessed that I got

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<v Speaker 1>to know Denise, let alone marry her and have two

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<v Speaker 1>amazing kids with her. I'm glad this day is done

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<v Speaker 1>and now we can focus on what we've been focusing

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<v Speaker 1>on for the last eighteen years, and that's moving forward

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to bring positive change to nine one one

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<v Speaker 1>and other things. I just I thought that was beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and it shows you know, for look, I am I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've said this before. I am personally against the

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty. That's just my own personal belief. But I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that I don't know what it's like to be

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<v Speaker 1>in this man's shoes and to hear him describe the relief.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you say relief at least it being over. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how they felt along the way or a

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<v Speaker 2>trial that they really really wanted the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 3>But rogue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always there's a penalty that has been put in

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<v Speaker 2>place and you've been waiting eighteen years for it to

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<v Speaker 2>be actually implement it. I mean, that's it's almost a

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<v Speaker 2>magic Can you imagine if somebody been sentenced to life

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<v Speaker 2>in prison but their sentence didn't start for ten years,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't feel right. That's no one that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>This doesn't feel right. So if this is the punishment,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get this over with and done. The number of

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<v Speaker 2>appeals and court hearings and parole hearings and all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff they've had to show up to to keep an

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<v Speaker 2>eye on, to get a phone call from the prosecutor's

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<v Speaker 2>office saying, hey, just letting you know this is going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the next step where he's filed this appeal.

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<v Speaker 3>It's exhausting.

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<v Speaker 1>You make a good point. If someone is just actually

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole done,

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<v Speaker 1>it's done. There's nothing more. There might be an appeal one,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two, you're not going to be going through the

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<v Speaker 1>lengthy judicial process you have to go through to actually

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<v Speaker 1>follow up and have an execution take place. Thus, the

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<v Speaker 1>thirty forty years sometimes it takes to actually see that

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<v Speaker 1>sentence be carried out. Look, and also just speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, isn't it interesting what her father had

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<v Speaker 1>to say. He's going to burn in hell as he should.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you just the anger is still there and

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't even gotten into Some of you may already

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<v Speaker 1>know this crime, but we're going to get into what

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<v Speaker 1>this crime was, what Michael King was convicted of, and

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<v Speaker 1>the remarkable, incredible silver lining that came from the death

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<v Speaker 1>of this young mother. When we come back and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back everyone to Amy and TJ presents the Michael King execution.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting we talked about I guess we led with

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<v Speaker 1>the latest, but the greatest part of this story is

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<v Speaker 1>how it all began. The latest was that Michael King

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<v Speaker 1>was executed. Yes, on Tuesday, March seventeenth at six thirteen pm.

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<v Speaker 1>We told you the family's reaction of Denise Lee, but

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't tell you about Denise Lee and what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to her eighteen years ago on the afternoon of January seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>La, he's a damn hero, like she's a she's actually

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<v Speaker 2>and you told me you're going to get into it,

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<v Speaker 2>but just tell me because I would remember her who

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<v Speaker 2>was a member law.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father was a member of the Sheriff's departy.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds right, Todd his daughter, Well, ain't that crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>This actually makes you emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>I can say he taught his daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>He talked about the conviction of his daughter's killer, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, my daughter knew forensics. She knew if she

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<v Speaker 1>was going to die or if anything was going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen to her, she was going to bread crumb for

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<v Speaker 1>my investigators to find her killer. And he said she

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<v Speaker 1>left her hair and took her ring off and left

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<v Speaker 1>it like hid it in his vehicle, so that when

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<v Speaker 1>they finally found his vehicle, they were able to get

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<v Speaker 1>that direct forensic evidence that you almost never have, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in the recent court cases we've seen to have

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<v Speaker 1>that direct evidence that she was in that vehicle, no

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<v Speaker 1>question about it. And part of that came out in trial.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I'm proud of my daughter. I taught her. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>she was twenty one. That's crazy, twenty one years old.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, it was a beautiful afternoon in Florida, in

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<v Speaker 1>just a gorgeous time of day. She had her sons again,

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<v Speaker 1>two years old and six months old. She was cutting

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<v Speaker 1>their hair on the porch. You know, she didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to probably get hair in the house, so she had

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<v Speaker 1>him out on the front porch right when Michael King

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<v Speaker 1>was canvassing the neighborhood looking for a victim, and he

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<v Speaker 1>got her at gunpoint, put the kids inside, locked the door,

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<v Speaker 1>took her at gunpoint into his car, tied her up,

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<v Speaker 1>raped her, and was driving her around. He was actually

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<v Speaker 1>driving to go find a shovel at a friend's house

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<v Speaker 1>to actually basically kill her and get rid of her body.

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<v Speaker 1>When she was able while she was tied up to

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<v Speaker 1>get his phone, and she called.

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<v Speaker 3>Nine one one. No, this story is impressed, No, please quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>She was on the phone with nine one one for

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<v Speaker 1>six minutes, and what she told the nine one one

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<v Speaker 1>operator was just so compelling, so it's so hard to

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<v Speaker 1>understand how she wasn't found. She said, please, my name

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<v Speaker 1>is Denise, I'm married to a beautiful husband, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to see my kids again. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to see my family. Then you can hear Michael King

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<v Speaker 1>back in the car. She was able to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>phone on and connected, and you can hear her say

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<v Speaker 1>please let me go. She starts screaming, God help me,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the dispatcher just kept saying hello thirteen times. Somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, this dispatcher did not put in the information,

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<v Speaker 1>did not get policed her because while this nine one

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<v Speaker 1>call was happening, her husband had come home found his

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<v Speaker 1>kids in the house. He called nine one one, so

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<v Speaker 1>the search was already on. And then nine one one

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<v Speaker 1>gets more phone calls from more drivers who see her.

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<v Speaker 2>You get this is tough, Robes the phone call she

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<v Speaker 2>made to think that she had enough time. The line

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<v Speaker 2>was open that long. And I'm sorry if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know this, but from the moment like, what's the gap

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<v Speaker 2>in time of first nine to one one call to

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<v Speaker 2>potential her demise Robes, there's a long stretch of time

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<v Speaker 2>that transpired.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so her husband got home within an hour of

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<v Speaker 1>her being abducted. She called within four hours of being

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<v Speaker 1>abducted did and then two drivers who saw her heard

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<v Speaker 1>her screaming and saw her hands like pounding on the

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<v Speaker 1>backseat of the car, calling im on. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>was on the phone with operators for nine minutes, telling

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<v Speaker 1>them where they were, a description of the car, what

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<v Speaker 1>they were saying. It is mind boggling that none of

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<v Speaker 1>these nine one operators who took these independent calls collaborated

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<v Speaker 1>with one another or put it into a system that

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<v Speaker 1>made it all connected that could have put officers all

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<v Speaker 1>in the same location. So there actually was reform that

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<v Speaker 1>took place after this, because, by the way, police didn't

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<v Speaker 1>find her body until two days later. She was shot

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<v Speaker 1>in the face.

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<v Speaker 2>To Robes, yes that it's too bad that she that

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<v Speaker 2>this had that this happened at all, But my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>what a legacy she has left in the horror of

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<v Speaker 2>her death, had the fortitude to, yes, leave clues behind

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<v Speaker 2>if you will. But also Robes, her death is not in.

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<v Speaker 1>Vain No, because her family sued the county. They were

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<v Speaker 1>awarded one point two million dollars and you know what

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<v Speaker 1>they did With that money, they founded the Denise amber

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Foundation to improve nine to one one training and accountability,

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<v Speaker 1>not just there in their county, in their state, but nationwide.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, they did that privately for this

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<v Speaker 1>foundation that Nathan, her husband, still runs to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>But also lawmakers passed the Denise amber Lee Act. It

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<v Speaker 1>was signed just a few months after her murder into

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<v Speaker 1>law that requires nine one one operators to have two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred hours of training. That's incredible, that's impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and it's cool to hear. It's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things we kind of take for granted, right you

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<v Speaker 2>call nine to one, you expect people to show up,

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<v Speaker 2>You expect people to know what they're doing. And we

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<v Speaker 2>have covered a lot of trials at of late to

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<v Speaker 2>where we hear nine to one one calls and we

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<v Speaker 2>have commented that's really impressive the job many of them

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<v Speaker 2>do when the person on the other line is screaming, yelling, panicked,

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<v Speaker 2>in otherwise having the worst day of their lives. So

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Roves, I just I have. I've always taken

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<v Speaker 2>it for granted, and apparently there were shortcomings in some places,

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<v Speaker 2>and this woman's death, she contributed to a change I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a hell of a legacy. And the law was

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<v Speaker 2>named after her saying yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The Denise Amberlee Act. And her father even said that

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<v Speaker 1>they've received phone calls. This is actually talk about making

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<v Speaker 1>you feel emotional that they have received phone calls from

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<v Speaker 1>families all around the country who have said thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you hadn't had this act in place, my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter wouldn't have survived. Like they actually have specific instances

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<v Speaker 1>where they can point to the training that these operators

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<v Speaker 1>received that they wouldn't have done otherwise had they not

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<v Speaker 1>had this act in place, They had not had this

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<v Speaker 1>foundation in place to improve how nationwide nine one one

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<v Speaker 1>operators do their jobs. And thankfully, you know what, I've realized,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never had to call nine one one. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a I was just thinking, like, what an incredible blessing

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<v Speaker 1>that is I've had. We've all had different things happen

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<v Speaker 1>in our lives, but I have never had to call

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you? I don't think it was a single time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I have, and that I talked to

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<v Speaker 2>a nine one one operator, No, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is incredible to know that there's someone there

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<v Speaker 1>on the other end who has been trained specifically because

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<v Speaker 1>of what happened in this case eighteen years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I know her family may not have gotten the

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<v Speaker 1>apology they wanted or the accountability they wanted, but there

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<v Speaker 1>is a sense of justice and peace and finality, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly the legacy of Denise Lee lives on. And with that, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for listening to us. We always appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Here on Amy and TJ Presents, I'm Amy Robock alongside TJ. Holmes.

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