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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: This is Morning Combat. It's the twenty sixth of July

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and it's time for another dose of

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, it's time for Morning Combat. I am nearly one

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Speaker 2: half of your hosting duo. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I join you from the capital of Astatus, Needles right

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Speaker 2: Joined by my friend on that side of the screen.

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Speaker 2: You know him as the Big beij one American Alpha,

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Speaker 2: many names. I call him. Birthday Boy, Ah, birthday Boy.

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, Hi, Brian, how are you?

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Speaker 1: That's birthday man, Luke. I'm forty five years old. I'm

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Speaker 1: is this the best week in combat sports history? Or

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Speaker 2: It's shaping up to be. It's shaping up to be.

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Speaker 2: We have so much to get to today. So if

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Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for the very very kind greetings and offerings.

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Speaker 1: I felt like it wasn't just my birthday, Luke, it

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Speaker 1: But by the other side, you mean he made it

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's start with this question. I'll pull it the

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Speaker 2: How different will poorier ge Chee two be from poorier

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Speaker 1: It's a great question. It's a great question, and you

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Speaker 1: As much as everything has changed, Luke, things are still

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you one of my concerns for this fight,

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Speaker 2: But here's what I want to tell you, Like, I

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Speaker 1: That I don't think we're gonna I hope we don't

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Speaker 1: They are going to inevitably brawl. But Luke, do you

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Speaker 1: Do you think, if you're Pooria, you still have to

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Speaker 2: Boy, that is such a great question. Be see, And

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Speaker 2: They also have taken all I mean, folks, forget this too. BC.

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Speaker 2: Gaichee's third fight in the UFC was poorier his third,

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Speaker 2: I feel a a lot more confident about Pourier's chances,

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Speaker 1: Look are you still there? I am stopped hearing your voice.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can hear mine. I am here.

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Speaker 1: Be saying, yeah, all right, hey, hey, look nothing a

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 2: Woldn't bemk if our faces weren't frozen on the screen

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Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that jaundice attack right there. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm really not sure. I'm really not sure. I think

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Speaker 2: if Gaechie goes in there and wins, he gets a

430
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Speaker 2: redemption over just one of the best UFC lightweights ever, right,

431
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 2: might even find his way to a title shot. That's

432
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 2: not completely out of the question. If Poorier wins, Dude,

433
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if you go and you beat Eddie Alvarez

434
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Speaker 2: and you stop him, if you stop Michael Chandler and

435
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Speaker 2: then you stop let's say Justin Gaechee twice and you

436
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: stopped I mean technically Connor McGregor twice. Does it even

437
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: matter if you were, you know, not better than Charles

438
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: Olivera or if you were not better than Islam Makachev

439
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 2: or Habib Nimbera made off Like I mean, I realize

440
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: he hasn't thought Islam. But in the case of Habib,

441
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 2: like yeah, maybe maybe it would solidify that he wasn't

442
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Speaker 2: the best. But like what would it tell you about.

443
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: I hate to put it in these terms, but they're

444
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: helpful about that dog in him, right, about that dog

445
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 2: in him, dude, Like that would be honestly extremely extremely

446
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 2: impressive and one of those things where you know, like

447
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: the kind of the kind of let me ask you

448
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: be se does Dustin Parier get the reverence for being

449
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 2: a kind of Carlos Condit natural born killer fighter that

450
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Speaker 2: he fully deserves?

451
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Speaker 1: Yes and no. The no part, I mean, I don't know,

452
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: I somewhat say the slightly no, because he's also simultaneously

453
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Speaker 1: been this inspirational, courageous fighter who keeps pushing through, keeps

454
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: getting better rebounds from big losses, and just keeps pedaling

455
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: along like if he doesn't end up winning the full championship,

456
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: and a reminder, he did have two opportunities and came

457
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Speaker 1: up empty despite the interim title. You know, he really

458
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: will be one of those greatest fighters to never win

459
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Speaker 1: the full championship. But at the same time, Luke, he

460
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: finished all those guys mentioned. He has an insane amount

461
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: of not only big time wars, but big time action

462
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: wars in which he has endured and got his hand raised.

463
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Speaker 1: I think it's all kind of coming together. I mean,

464
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Speaker 1: it may have taken the Connor second and third fights

465
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Speaker 1: to truly give him that commercial crossover level of extra

466
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: appeal and recognition and launching his barbecue saw or you know,

467
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: the hot line, hot sauce line, while simultaneously you know,

468
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: working on his foundation and really pushing that out there.

469
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Speaker 1: I think it has come full circle to the idea

470
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Speaker 1: that he's a made man in the UFC, is a

471
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Speaker 1: pay per view headliner. It almost doesn't matter if he

472
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Speaker 1: ends up winning the full championship and the days are

473
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Speaker 1: taking away because the resume is so good. But the

474
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Speaker 1: love and appreciation for who he is as an endurer,

475
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: as a warrior, as I mean, I call him a

476
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, an American hero in terms of an MMA sense.

477
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: He is like Randyktur before him. He is that dude.

478
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: So in that regard, it's sort of like, yeah, but

479
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's like the first line of what

480
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 1: people think about him though. It's sort of all up

481
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: there together that's combined to make him into the one

482
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Speaker 1: of the greatest fighters we've ever seen. And I love

483
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: this fight so much. I do wonder though, like, is

484
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: there a path to the title from this. I know

485
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: Charles Oliver is gonna fight Islam. I know there are

486
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: new contenders rising up in this division. I know just

487
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: as well. We could talk about the idea of the

488
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Speaker 1: winner of this fight facing Chandler again or Connor, or

489
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Speaker 1: the winner of Connor Chandler, if that ever happened, or whatever.

490
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Speaker 1: But Luke, do you like who has a better shot

491
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Speaker 1: at literally catapulting themselves here from a win directly into

492
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Speaker 1: the winner of Charles Oliver versus Islam.

493
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's tough to say, right because if

494
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 2: Charles wins, you know, Charles already has that stoppage win

495
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Speaker 2: over Dustin. And I mean, if Charles wins, it's hard

496
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: to know what direction they might go. They might give

497
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Speaker 2: a third fight between him and Islam, or they might

498
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: give Vulk the fight against Charles. So Charles makes it

499
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: a more difficult equation for any of the guys here.

500
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Speaker 2: But I would say if Islam wins, and yes, Vulk

501
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: is probably still gonna get priority. But Vulk versus excuse me,

502
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: I apologize, Islam versus either of those guys in the

503
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: BMF belt would be a fresh matchup or a fight

504
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: against Vulk. I mean I'll tell you what, dude, Vulk

505
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: versus dustin Poria doesn't sound like the worst fight I've

506
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: ever heard, right, Vulk versus justin Gaegee, sure, sign me up?

507
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: All right? Let me pause you there, Let me pause

508
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: you there on that thought, because I don't hate that

509
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: thought either. Will the BMF title carry? Will this be

510
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: only a every four years like when the when the

511
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: stars aligned and we have two elite fighters who aren't

512
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: currently in line for a title? But yeah we can.

513
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: And look, I've never been against non title pay per

514
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: view main events when the when the matchup is great,

515
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: think Rashad versus Rampage, right, Like, I'm all for that.

516
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: You didn't even need the BMF, but doing it does

517
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: make it a little bit more special. Will the title carry?

518
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Should it carry? And should a guy like Volkanowski be

519
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: allowed to fight for it? I mean I feel like, yes, Luke,

520
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go forward with the BMF belt, then

521
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: do it. You've given it a cool identity. It works.

522
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: It's got a little pro wrestling smell to it, but

523
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: it fricking works. Keep it going, right, I don't even

524
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: care if it's Vulc who fights for it. Keep it going.

525
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I'd be okay with it, although it's not really

526
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: the folk. I mean again, if the men end up

527
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: making the belt and it really is like this thing

528
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: where everyone kind of embraces it, then I will look

529
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: at it in a way where you know, it could

530
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: carry some significance, or if it ends up in circulation

531
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: more readily, we just kind of have to see what's

532
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: going to happen with that. Now, let me ask you

533
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: BC two things that were important for I'll actually say

534
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: one thing that we're important for each guy's two things total.

535
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: One will you or I should say, do you believe

536
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: that Dustin Poarier is going to have a different answer

537
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: for the leg kicks of Justin Gaecheet And what response

538
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: is Justin Geatezchee gonna have for the big left hand

539
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: of Dustin Poorier.

540
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Speaker 1: Well, that's what's interesting, because if Justin gaiche and his

541
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: team are looking back at the first fight, and they

542
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: did on the UFC Countdown show, both teams rewatched the

543
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: first fight and sort of gave honest in the moment reactions.

544
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: Obviously that was pre craft adjustment for Gaichee to try

545
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: to siphon down a little bit of the recklessness to

546
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: be more you know, intentional and essentially become an, you know,

547
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: a calculated executioner. So that was a little bit more

548
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: of being the ultimate highlight of squaring up and just

549
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: going after it. But they do have to look back

550
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: at that and realize that Poorier is a better boxer,

551
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: he's more technical, he's better defense, he's all of that.

552
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: His distribution system is just better. This could be a

553
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: repeat of the first one. So Luke, I wonder how

554
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: much can't I know you're asking me a question and

555
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm pulling at Jesus here and trying to answer it

556
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 1: with a question. But and that's probably the only time

557
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: I'll get that comparison Luke to that guy. But the

558
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: point is this, will he should he make defensive adjustments

559
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: that could keep him in this fighter where that get

560
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: him off of what he does great, which is going

561
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: their bang heads and go to war. Because even at

562
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: an action level, Pourier has a great ability as the

563
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: rare elite action fighter who can retain certain Let mean,

564
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: he does get hit, Luke, he gets into wars right,

565
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: but he's a little bit more responsible than the caveman

566
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: version of Gai Chee. By far, can or should Geechee

567
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: make key defensive adjustments. There's not a three round fight here.

568
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: It is the potential here for for a full five

569
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: to push this late. I mean, I mean what what

570
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to? Who do we know

571
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: who you were the first Poorier fight? If you're gay Chee,

572
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: we know who you became with the adjustment and had

573
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: two cracks at the title. Who should you be now

574
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: in this matchup? That's a that I need to answer

575
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: that before I can answer how is he specifically going

576
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: to counter this? And you know, and what how TuS

577
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: Porier gonna answer the lake strikes? I need to see

578
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: first and foremost, because justin in beating Physiva Luke, he

579
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: didn't just put his head down and run into him.

580
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean there was there was some adjustment that you said,

581
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: calculation figuring out what's my best avenue here? Can Justin

582
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: Gaichie be a more thinking man's version of himself and

583
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: still welcome the hell and swim through it and come

584
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: out on top.

585
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I think he can, assuming his punch resistance hasn't

586
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: been ultimately compromised by all the wars he's been in.

587
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: I guess we'll have to see if I may answer

588
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: the question, you know, my best sense of things is,

589
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: you know, part of what Geichee's game plan was originally

590
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: and there was obviously ebbs and flows and it was ugly,

591
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: but it was walking Poarier down. I wonder how much

592
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: he'll do that. I wonder how much more he wants

593
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: to use angles and movement and circles rather than just

594
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: you know, on top of you kind of pressure. I

595
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: think that will be something to note. Hopefully Dustin, you know,

596
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: has a better answer for the lake kicks such that

597
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: they happen, but if he's moving depending on how like

598
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: they kind of timed his movement in the first fight,

599
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're gonna be able to do that

600
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: in the second one. But I would say the other

601
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: part too is I feel like, if you're Dustin Poarier,

602
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: putting Gaichee on the back foot actually is going to

603
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: be pretty important. So I'd be really curious to see

604
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: who ends up leading the dance here in terms of

605
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: real estate and then ultimately what they're able to do

606
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: with that in the end. I think the whoever gives

607
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: the other guys space is going to be in for

608
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: some problems here is the sort of the short answer to.

609
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: That fair, No, No, we're not shooting for takedowns, right,

610
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: and say that because Olivera didn't utilize wrestling in that

611
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: second round to neutralize Poorier. Kaichie never utilizes his wrestling, Luke,

612
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: you know this is not the beginning of that, right.

613
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically never, Well, he uses his defensive wrestling, so

614
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: he does use that. You mean he doesn't us his

615
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: offensive wrestling. Yeah, I wonder, dude, I really wonder about that,

616
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: because Poorier will play guard. You know, that's the funny thing.

617
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: If you're just in Gai Chee, if you have well,

618
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, do you really want to wrestle

619
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: or do you really want to go against a black

620
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: belt on the ground like that? Maybe you don't. But

621
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: at the same point, he's not likely to resist as

622
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: nimbly as others. He actually surrenders the takedown or at least,

623
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, we'll fight a little bit more off of

624
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: his guard, or you know, he's he's just not going

625
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 2: to wrestle to his feet, I should say, perhaps as quickly.

626
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: And so for that reason, if you're geysche has something

627
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 2: to think about letting him up and then just tagging

628
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: him on the way up along the fence line. I

629
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: think that actually might be kind of interesting as well,

630
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: so we'll have to see. BC. Let me tell you

631
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: about the odds here very quickly. I think these odds

632
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: are pretty fair. Our friends at Caesar's have Dustin Poarier

633
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: minus one fifty favorite with Justin Gai Chee plus one

634
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: twenty five. You gotta say that sounds about right.

635
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me address that, because even though Poorier won

636
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: that first fight by having better technique but also having

637
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: a enough dog in him to stand in there and

638
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: take that, and he handled his business, and with the

639
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: changes to their games, I wonder if you agree with

640
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: this statement, Luke. They're both thirty four, but they have

641
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: insane mileage on them, to be fair, but they both

642
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: are entering with their stocks fairly high coming off of

643
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: recent performances. When it goes, though, Luke, it goes meaning

644
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: you get tagged early with a big shot and you

645
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: just don't recover. Who's more likely in your eyes for

646
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: it to go in this fight. Even though Poorier has

647
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: a stoppage victory in the first fight, even though I

648
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: believe he's the better fighter overall, and even though I

649
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: agree he should be the favorite coming in. I'm more

650
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: nervous for him that when that knock on the door comes,

651
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: it could happen in this fight before I expect that

652
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: to happen to Justin. Does that make any sense to you?

653
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: It does. It's it's so difficult to say because like,

654
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: for example, Poorier has been stopped like in the first

655
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: round by Michael Johnson, who was a hard, fast puncher,

656
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: but like Gaichee doesn't have a loss like that, you know,

657
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: in the similar kind of way that I'm trying to

658
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: think of. I mean, if I think about his four losses,

659
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: I mean, here we go, Charles Olaveri, he got submitted,

660
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: he got dropped and submitted. But that's a little bit

661
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: different obviously, because Charles can marry the two. Although he

662
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: did get knocked down with the punch Normer Gamdov choked

663
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: him out obviously, and then Dustin Poarier accumulatively beat him,

664
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: and then any album has accumulatively beat him like no

665
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 2: one ever just kind of like cracked him and then

666
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: called it a day. So Pooria's has that. At the

667
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: same time, though, BC, I feel like Poori's ability to

668
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: like roll or absorb or catch is just way better

669
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: than Justin. Justin's a little bit more likely to He'll

670
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: catch a little bit too, but he's a little bit

671
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: more likely to eat. And for that reason, Poria might

672
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: be able to kind of, like you know, gum be

673
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: his way through the round a little bit more nimbly

674
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: at times. Unless I'm just underselling Gai Che's positioning, which

675
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: has gotten much better certainly under Trevor Whitman. Dude, this

676
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: is a close fight. This is a close, tough ass fight.

677
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: I mean it really is.

678
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: No, it absolutely is. Do you look. Sometimes they say

679
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: luke teams that pressed hate to be pressed. In boxing,

680
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: we say, you know, great potty punchers hate hate it

681
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: when you go to the body against them. That's their weapon.

682
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Is there a part of Poorier that comes out aggressively

683
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: with the leg strikes, because if you look at the

684
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: things that either didn't go right for him or could

685
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: have went disastrously wrong, I believe it was those accumulation

686
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: of the leg strikes. There was a moment there round

687
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: three or four where Gaichie did wobble and hurt Poitier

688
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: in the first fight, and you're like, oh, this is on,

689
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: this is on? Right? Do you come out and go

690
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: ham on the legs if you're Poorier to just strike

691
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: back against him and basically say I'm gonna match you

692
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: every time you do this.

693
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: I think if you see leg kick, I think the

694
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: leg kick defense is just gonna be much more a

695
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: part of what Poorier is doing. Obviously, the leg kicking

696
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: strength clearly resides with Justin Gaegee. I do wonder if

697
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: if you might see him utilize it more to like

698
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: cut angles like an outside leg kick and then cut

699
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: an angle and now the other guy has to follow right.

700
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: So that way you can you can make Justin Gatschee move,

701
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: You can be off the line right, those kinds of things,

702
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: and you can reset rather than just kind of being

703
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: there eating it and then trying to throw back. Now,

704
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: that is ultimately what got him the win in the

705
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: fourth round, right, he ate the leg kick and then

706
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Bang hit him with the shot fair enough, but you

707
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: know the amount of punishment he had to endure with significance.

708
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: So I do think you'll see it. I just don't

709
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: think you'll see it in a really pronounced way that was.

710
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: Really put for against Connor in the second fight. In particular,

711
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: it was as if Connor McGregor wasn't told that you

712
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: can use CAF strikes to the UFC fights.

713
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: True, true, But that's connor. I mean, Justin's a little

714
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: bit different, you know, maybe certainly maybe.

715
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: Look, do you want to address Mikey mor Miles's pro

716
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: wrestling pitch here? Of is there scenario that Pooria loses

717
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: and then, but but sorry, Gaechee knocks out Pier in

718
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: this rematch to gain revenge and then Jorges putting the

719
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: belt around his waist. Dustin and Jorge are longtime friends

720
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: and teammates. This doesn't summon Joge out of retirement to

721
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: fight for the BMF belt. And would you sign up

722
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: for that under this pro wrestling scenario?

723
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: Did someone hit Mikey in the head with a hammer?

724
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened this morning.

725
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: I think it was a tire iron Luke, But but

726
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: don't you don't don't you dare besperched in the name

727
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: of my great producer, please.

728
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: No, he's wonderful. But I don't know about that question. No,

729
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I guess he's got his sights

730
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: out on Ben Askern. Again, I don't really know. I

731
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: don't know.

732
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: Hey, Ben Askern's in shape. For Jorge Luke. All right,

733
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: so you better he might be.

734
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: He was a good athlete, no doubt about it. OKAYBC,

735
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: But that's the basic gist of this one. Really curious

736
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: to see how the positioning changes, the weapons change, and dude,

737
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: this might be. It could. I'm not guaranteeing it. I'm

738
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: not declaring it. But when you're thirty four, you've had

739
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: all the miles that both guys have had and then

740
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: you're headed for another it's going to be a car crash.

741
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a car crash you get in to

742
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: another car. I don't know how many more car crashes

743
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: these two can have after night.

744
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: Lie, No, people remember, I got a lot of shitty

745
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: takes ahead of the Michael Chandler fight for Poorer. I

746
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: was like, look, the knock is gonna come on the door,

747
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Michael Chandler might be a

748
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: little fresher in terms of that regard, even though he's

749
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: got mileage too. And I was completely wrong. Luke Pooria

750
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: handled his business in such a such a gnarly way

751
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: in that fight to serve to advance to this point.

752
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: I guess this is not the first I shouldn't start

753
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: doubting him now right. I mean, you know these are

754
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: two men that are going to go in there and bang.

755
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: Will it go the distance in your eyes?

756
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: Though, No, I don't think so. God, if it goes

757
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: the distance, then for sure that's the end.

758
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll never walk again, Luke, and yeah fight again.

759
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, if that goes the distance, God help them both,

760
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: got and God help them all of us too. I mean,

761
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: it'll be a great fight, but they are not going

762
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 2: to be the same.

763
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: All right. Do you want to weigh in for final

764
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: way in here? The altitude? Will that make this fight

765
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: better or worse?

766
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: The altitude in theory, it should make it worse. But

767
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: I feel like both of these guys, I mean, gae

768
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: Chee trains it out to so that shouldn't be an

769
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: issue at all. Yeah, Poorier is mostly at sea level,

770
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: but he's such a pro that, Like, I just don't

771
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: feel like he's gonna be undered. Dude, when was the

772
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: last time you saw Poortier undertrained for a fight. I mean,

773
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: this does not he didn't do that.

774
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: He didn't do that, So yeah, and I only say

775
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: I only say the potential for better if that leads

776
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: them into a mindset of I'm not going into round

777
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: four or five at elevation. Let's let's let's settle this early.

778
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: That's where I'm suggesting in that record. Mmmmm, hello are

779
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: you still Are you still there, Luke?

780
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, Yes, there you go? Can you hear me now?

781
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: Oh? I hear you now?

782
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: Luke?

783
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, thank you.

784
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: Yes, let's move along if we can. BC, we have

785
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: belabored we just.

786
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: Do the show over cell phone? Why don't we just

787
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: do that? Don't know?

788
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: I mean we got that McDonald's Wi Fi player. All right?

789
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: Topic number two, Let's go to the co main event.

790
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: Yaan Blohovich now taking on Alex Pareeda BC. This will

791
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: be the debut, certainly in UFC for Alex Pudeta at

792
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: two hundred and five pounds. So I'll ask this most

793
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: important storyline for this fight.

794
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: Is, well, Luke, I don't want to be you know,

795
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: do the whole thing all over again, because you did.

796
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: You asked me my sort of underrated storyline of the

797
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: card on Monday show, and I brought up sort of

798
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: the title implications in this fight and the question mark

799
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: of what they are, Luke, is this for this is

800
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: to be fair? This is not for the interim title,

801
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: the vacant title or been declared as a guaranteed number

802
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: one contenders fight.

803
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: Correct, not to my knowledge, Not to my knowledge.

804
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: But we expect this has major title implications in this

805
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: empty division.

806
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: Major, right, Yes, I think that would be a fair assumption.

807
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: Yes, it's weird, it would wouldn't that have been modern

808
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: UFC to rush out a title on this? What do

809
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: you make of? What do you seriously, Home Sweet Home, Luke,

810
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: What do you make of the decision to not put

811
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: any implications on Home versus Bue Oh Silva and now

812
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: this one when in both scenario you have a vacant

813
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: title on top and you have, you know, two highly

814
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: ranked competitors going against each other.

815
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: They either felt like there, you know, the UFC machine

816
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: is constantly churning and it was just too late in

817
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: the day for them to just switch it up like that,

818
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: or they've got they've got another plan for the title.

819
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: They must have some kind of roadmap in the war room.

820
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: We've seen famously, they must have some kind of uh

821
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: map for that, for how they want that to look

822
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: and how they want that to go, and it that

823
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily not include this, but it sounds like it

824
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: includes this and then perhaps some other pieces falling into place.

825
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: So it's hard to dude, It's really hard to say.

826
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: I remember there was an advertisement that came out that had

827
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: Paria Gichie. It was like a Facebook ad or something

828
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: from the UFC, and it had Partier gai Chi for

829
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: the BMF belt, and then it had Blohovich versus Padata

830
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: as the like for a title belt. It was like

831
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: two title fights, and then it ended up just maybe

832
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: it was just a weird ad that got released on

833
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: the supposed to.

834
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: Okay, well that that confused me. So look, huge title

835
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: implications as a monster storyline, as is Padata moving up

836
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: in Wait now you want titles and two divisions at

837
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: Glory before including light heavyweight. So I'm not afraid. In fact, Luke,

838
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: here's my biggest storyline question to you, will Padata, who

839
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: is not making the extreme I mean he was an

840
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: insanely big middleweight. He is not making the extreme weightcut anymore.

841
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: In fact, on Embedded or Countdown, whichever one it was,

842
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: they showed him in Glover to share his back porch,

843
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: you know, eating off the grill, and he's just saying,

844
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: look like I can eat whatever I want ahead of

845
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: this camp. How much more not just dangerous will that

846
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: make Padata at two O five being not physically compromised,

847
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: but how much more will that show an evolution of

848
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: his skills? Does that play into that at all?

849
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: When you say evolution, like what evolution in terms of

850
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: what part of the game?

851
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, sometimes people just bloom

852
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: at the New Way Coast, think Kisa when he moved

853
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: up right away, sort of like you just explode through

854
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: the screen of like, Wow, I should have been I

855
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: should have been doing this all along. Suddenly I have

856
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: the cardio to try new things. Suddenly I can you know,

857
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm not just get comes.

858
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: On the car and it can do a whole lot

859
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: more all of a sudden.

860
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: Exactly are we in for a potential like violent root

861
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: awakening that the two H five MMA version of the

862
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: data is a freaking badass on the level of the

863
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: guy that just won and lost the Middleway Championship.

864
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: It will remains to be seen. I mean, I'll say

865
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 2: this right, like, obviously, defending takedown is depending. A takedown,

866
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: I should say, is a function of skill, but it

867
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: helps if you've got thirty extra pounds to lean into

868
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: whatever skill you're applying, right, if you're using a cross face,

869
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: if you're using a you know whatever, what a wizard, whatever,

870
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: whatever you're using, if you're able to really maneuver someone

871
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 2: with it, it makes it that much better, It makes

872
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: it that much stronger. And he looked and you see that.

873
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: I think you played it on Monday with him too.

874
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: We're like trying to drown each other in the whizzer. Yeah,

875
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, two brothers, let's play the drown each

876
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: other game. And every brother, a pair of brothers has

877
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: done it. But you see what I'm saying, Like, he

878
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: looked huge in that one. And so even if your

879
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: technique isn't necessarily sharp to the point we're trying to

880
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: have here, it can be so much more forceful. Maybe

881
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: here's the thing. If your team, I mean, this really

882
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: comes down to this, dude, if your team, Blahovich, what

883
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: is your game plan? Right? Because that's really what this

884
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: comes down to. Pata, I'm not gonna say has only

885
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: one way to win, but probably has one path that's

886
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: going to be much easier to walk for a win

887
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: than another. One could be wrong about that, but that

888
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 2: seems likely for Blahovich, you got a couple of choices

889
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: to make. He can strike it out if that's what

890
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: he wants to do. But we know he can wrestle

891
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: as well, Right, So you just have to figure out

892
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: what they want to do about that, what plan they

893
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: want to have, And I think it's gonna be a

894
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: lot like the Izzy plan, right, I mean, is he's

895
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: a different fighter, a different situation. But I think he's

896
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: going to be all the way out until it's time

897
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: to get in, and then I think he is going

898
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: to take him down a little bit later, checking kicks

899
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: on the outside, staying out there, making a move, making

900
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: a miss if he can, getting reads, and then slowly

901
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 2: kind of pot shotting him thereafter getting to the body

902
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: and then getting him down. I think that's really I mean,

903
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: you know, unless they've got some other clear insight about

904
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: what's available to them. Two OHO five Pata standing with

905
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: him for as long as you have to seems like

906
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: you're courting unecessarily.

907
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: Said that they do have that common opponent in Autosania.

908
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: I think that Autosnia game plan is exactly where Buhovich

909
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: should be here, Luke. And it's like, look, Will Podata's

910
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: it's like, how much do it He's training every day

911
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: with Glover Tashera. How much do we expect that one

912
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: day Padata is going to go out there and his

913
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: full ground game will be completely functional. Is that possible

914
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: at this age, Luke, He's got to be getting better

915
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: in every facet every single day, and this continued evolution

916
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: and transition from kickboxing to MMA on a full time level. Still,

917
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: even with that said, even with Podata potentially not being

918
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: weight drained and having more energy and all the extra

919
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: hours put in on the ground and in the river,

920
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: if you're Belkhovich, you don't want to stand and bang

921
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: with this guy. You just don't, even with the legendary

922
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: Polish power. You want to work from the outside. You

923
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: want to use that heavy jab mixing and calf kicks.

924
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: But you gotta time the takedowns because I still think

925
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: you want to try to slow down higher out Podata

926
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: the best you can to open up an opportunity for

927
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: big offense.

928
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: Luke, I think that's right, And also you just you

929
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: know Poto will leave openings the more he gets aggressive.

930
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 2: But like trying to get a sense of his movement

931
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: and like trying to get a read and then waiting

932
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: for it and whatnot. You know, I think that's important. Also, Dude,

933
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: like Belokhovich is one of the best leg kicking checkers

934
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: in all of the sport, Like he has no problems

935
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: doing it. He can do it from a variety of

936
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: different angles, and dude, it I think it really messed

937
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: is he up in terms of like causing him pain

938
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: per se, but just not being able to land that

939
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: and then having to go to second order offense And

940
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: that's where all the problems start because now they're much closer, right,

941
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: So you know, it's gonna be interesting to see, like

942
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: what happens if Patta can't get the leg kicking going

943
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: and then you know, has to resort to the hands,

944
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: and then of course he's available in takedown range. I

945
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a problem for him. But b see,

946
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: let's like, let's game this out a little bit here

947
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: if we can. If Paeda goes in there and stops

948
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 2: the well liked and I should say at this point

949
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: highly respected Yon Belakhovich, should he get a title shot?

950
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's not an easy question to answer

951
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: because there's no champion at the moment. I don't know

952
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: when Prahatska is healthy. Originally YEARI was saying it could

953
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: be like late summer, which was, you know, an insanely

954
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: quick turnaround from that big injury. You've also got Ank

955
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: Caliov just hanging out there coming off of that draw

956
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: with Blahovich. I mean I could say, yes Blahovich, this

957
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: would you know? He has a victory over wreckaged since

958
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: losing the title, then he had the draw with Unklyiave.

959
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: If he goes out there and beats Padata here, he

960
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: should have to be as a former champion into a

961
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: title fight. But there's no backdoor weirdness being set up, right,

962
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is if Podato wins,

963
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: he's not then going to advance to a vacant light

964
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: heavyweight title fight against isy Right. I mean, is there

965
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: a reason they didn't put anything down for this? Although

966
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: you could say in that scenario, maybe you should have

967
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: put the title right here right or I don't know,

968
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: is there an there's ddp's out there. In fact, Sean

969
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: Strickland's next for aut Asania. This is a stupid question

970
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: from your boy, BC, but I'm trying to understand why

971
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be a title I play so they answer

972
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: your question, Yes, if Jehovich wins, it's probably very likely

973
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: that he's fighting Yuri Prohotska for the title. Correct, probably,

974
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: But but I don't know what about ankalaiav? What about

975
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: everybody else up there? Luke, I don't have an answer

976
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: for what's going on in this division. I do know

977
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: that this fight is great. I think this is fight's

978
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: gonna be insane to watch. It's gonna be fantastic. I

979
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: do think the winner is going to have a huge

980
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: say in the next fight, if that's for the vacant title.

981
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: But don't you think the UC in the back of

982
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: their mind, they know they want Alex versus Izzy three?

983
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: So why not do it? Why not do it for

984
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: a title?

985
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: Luke?

986
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm just I know, I don't.

987
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: Think that they would. I really don't think that they would.

988
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: Is he also has his work cutout for him. You

989
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: got Strickland coming up, you got Dupless coming up. You

990
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: know he's got his work cutout for him. But at

991
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: the same time, it wouldn't be the worst in the world.

992
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: I just don't. I just don't think it's next. It's

993
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: it's hard to know what the rest of those pieces are.

994
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: I will say this. I'm just gonna declare it. If

995
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: the winner of this fight wins it like dominantly or

996
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: by stoppage, because you can obviously win dominantly by decision,

997
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: he should get a tough shot that person. This should

998
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 2: be if there's a bracket, this should be one half

999
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: of it, as.

1000
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: Far as okay, So is the other half automatically Prohtska

1001
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: because he never lost the belt and seemed to voluntarily

1002
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: give it up or whether he was pressured or not,

1003
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: we don't know, but gave it up right after the injury,

1004
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: the same thing Jamal Hill did. And Jamal said that

1005
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: Dana promised him a title shot when he returns. Are

1006
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: you led to believe the winner of this fights Prohotska

1007
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: and not in Caliath for the title?

1008
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: Probably probably ok or or what they might end up doing.

1009
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 2: Is so, on the one end of the bracket, again,

1010
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: in our stipulated situation, you have this fight, and on

1011
00:47:53,440 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: the other end you have YEARI versus on Caliath. You

1012
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: do that, but that one's already for the title, and

1013
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: then the winner of this fight gets the winner of

1014
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 2: that fight, and so the title just kind of moves

1015
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: through in that way, almost like a four man turney,

1016
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: the belt gets moved through every or the every stage.

1017
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: I should say something like a grand prix if you will.

1018
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: A grand prix if you will. Yes, indeed, so that

1019
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: to me seems very possible. But I'm just curious to see,

1020
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: you know, if Blahovich decides to bang with this guy

1021
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: and what it looks like. That could be fireworks. But

1022
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: you know, if you're just in anyone's corner and you're

1023
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: going up against this guy who is a fucking monster,

1024
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: a monster right already one day five and even and

1025
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: somehow gets just you know, yes, you get bigger going

1026
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: boy classes, but I mean, like he's still even big

1027
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: for that weight class. Mean, that's the part. He was

1028
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: a huge, huge middleweight. He's still a very big light heavyweight.

1029
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: If you're going up against that guy, do you really

1030
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: want to strike it out with him? And by the way,

1031
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: they have him at sixty four. I'm six to four.

1032
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: He's taller than me. He's closer to six to five,

1033
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: you know, so yeah, but look at his face, Look

1034
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: at his face.

1035
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: How tall are you with your toe spacers? That's what

1036
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: the people really want to know.

1037
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, six three and a half with the toe spacers,

1038
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, really lowered into the ground a little bit. Hey,

1039
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: I need those. My feet are messed up, all right,

1040
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: you see. With that in mind, though, one more time

1041
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: on the odds. If I can for this contest, dude,

1042
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: it's even closer than the main event. If you can

1043
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: the UFC, you gotta give them credit. Man, they got

1044
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: some competitive fights. Yambolhovitch sitting at minus one twenty five,

1045
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 2: Alex Paeda sitting at about a plus one oh five.

1046
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: Can't be mad at it.

1047
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: Give me a maze mad at it? Give me a

1048
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: main and comine grade here can collectively entering Saturday. It's

1049
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: gotta be high. It's got to be very These are

1050
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: two very, very very good fights.

1051
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 2: Collect say, I'll say as I'm.

1052
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: With you, now I'm with you. Let's bang. I mean,

1053
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: I can't believe that this is like this has to

1054
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: be the going on at the same time as as

1055
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: Spence Crawford and Military Horizon. And it's not unprecedented, right

1056
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: that the original BMF was the same time as Canelo

1057
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: versus Covi Lev although de Zone made that really interesting

1058
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: decision to make us all inside the MGM grand watch

1059
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: the BMF title on the big screen. While Canelo and

1060
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: Kovlev were sleeping on their respective couch. I mean, that's

1061
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: one of the weirder moments seriously, in I mean combat

1062
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: sports in modern days. Luke has weird moments every other day.

1063
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: That's one of the weirdest moments. But I mean, are

1064
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 1: we allowed to lament? I mean this is in Morning MMA,

1065
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: the show Luke, It's Morning Combat. We cover it all.

1066
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: Are we allowed to at least lament the idea that

1067
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: these like monster events, could they be staged in our apart?

1068
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: Why are we all going head to head? I guess

1069
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: that's the hand we were dealing one.

1070
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: Our cup run is over. I'm not gonna complain, all right. See,

1071
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: let's talk about topic number three, which is the other

1072
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 2: parts of the two ninety one card. Let me actually

1073
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: start a little bit differently here. Obviously, the Stephen Thompson

1074
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: Michelle Paeda fight is very interesting, but I would rather

1075
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: talk about the other ones. The biggest disparity in odds.

1076
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: There's two fights that have big ones. The gobbledy El

1077
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: bon Fime Trevin Giles fight. There's a big difference. Obviously,

1078
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: bon Fime is undefeated and you can understand why. But

1079
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: the biggest one BC's actually Bobby Green, Tony Ferguson. How

1080
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: about this Tony Ferguson sitting at a plus three ten

1081
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: Bobby Green, According to our friends at Caesar's minus four hundred.

1082
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: That's the biggest disparity in odds of any fight on

1083
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: the card in BC. I can't really take issue with it,

1084
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 2: as much as I would like to. I just can't,

1085
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: can you?

1086
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, but how many more times do

1087
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: we have to go through this?

1088
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 2: Luke?

1089
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: I love, I love Tony Ferguson. But when it was over,

1090
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: it was over, you know, violently and dramatically fast. And

1091
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: I know, Luke, he's coming off like he had moments

1092
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 1: against Nate in that weird last minute fight. He still

1093
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: has a pulse. I'm not trying to tell him not

1094
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: to make a living, and I'm not trying to bring

1095
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: doom upon him. He was he had been one of

1096
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: my favorite friends. Heck, he gave you that weird baseball

1097
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: that time, didn't he or what what did he give you?

1098
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: It was a like a balance ball that worked on

1099
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 2: like grip or balance something like that.

1100
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was weird. I was standing next to you

1101
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: when that happened at that public workout. My whole point

1102
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: is this five losses in a row, three by stoppage,

1103
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: an insane amount of carnage along the way. This is it, right, Luke?

1104
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 2: When or look at this, look at this graphic BC

1105
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 2: Jesus Man and the DS fight. I mean, here's the thing.

1106
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: Was he competitive in the Chandler fight a little bit early? Yes,

1107
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 2: yeah he was. Did he have a couple of moments

1108
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 2: against Nate dz Sure? The dar Use fight was one

1109
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: way traffic, The ola Veri fight was one way traffic,

1110
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: and the Gaeychee fight was the beginning of the end.

1111
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: If you ask me, I mean, I.

1112
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: Mean the Gaychy fight was a whole career is worth

1113
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: of trauma in one night.

1114
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: To be fair.

1115
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: Well, look, here's here's what I'm saying. It's like, this

1116
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: is a step down in matchmaking from those five and

1117
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: it's the you know, it's a more realistic matchup in

1118
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: terms of two guys that are aging, that that both

1119
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: fight a fun style and all that. There are scenarios

1120
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: that this could be a fun fight, but there isn't

1121
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: inevitability built in here that Tony gets stopped and a

1122
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: six time would be the last time, right, Luke, we.

1123
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: Would imagine, it would imagine, I mean the you know,

1124
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: Dana White has at times like every promoter is going

1125
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: to have different rules, different rules for themselves, different commissions.

1126
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: But I remember, like, you know, obviously this is very

1127
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: very different, well not completely different, but you know, different

1128
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: enough where BJ Penn was, you know, fist fighting and

1129
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: drunkenly in parking lots, and then Dana said something to

1130
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: the effective, I don't want to make money on those

1131
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: kinds of fights, like he'll never fight in the UFC. Again,

1132
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: not the actual fight in the parking lot, but I'm

1133
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 2: saying is like, for a guy who's at this stage,

1134
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: we're not trying to make money off of him fighting.

1135
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: I suspect that if Bobby Green goes in there and

1136
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: lights him up and it's a stoppage and it's depressing,

1137
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: you know, whatever else anyone wants to say about Dana,

1138
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: I feel like he will look at a situation like

1139
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 2: that and just decide he doesn't want to make money

1140
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: off of something like that. You know, people can disagree

1141
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,479
Speaker 2: with that. I don't know that that for a fact,

1142
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: but I just I don't know how you can look

1143
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: at all of these losses and again you know, the

1144
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: Dias loss wasn't as bad as the Chandler loss, but

1145
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: he went from getting maimed against Olavera and just is

1146
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: justly beaten up against Gegee. To do that kick from

1147
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: Chandler was life altering, and then Nate Diaz beating him

1148
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: on late notice was just like, I don't know, man,

1149
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: this is all heading in the wrong direction. You know

1150
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: it's all heading.

1151
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: It's not heading, Luke, We're there. I think we're there

1152
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: already in the direction sure enough. I could see a

1153
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: scenario where he gets I mean, look, he's still getting

1154
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: monster pops from the crowd because rightfully so. I mean

1155
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: he's an absolute, absolute warrior. He's everything you would want

1156
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: in an action hero. But obviously the greatest action heroes

1157
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: often need to be saved from themselves. What percentage out

1158
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: of one hundred that win or lose? This is Tony

1159
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: Ferguson's last fight in the octagon, because I could see

1160
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: him winning, getting the love and just walking away and

1161
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: we have a nice moment, right, can we have a

1162
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: nice moment on Saturday?

1163
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: Here's the thing pop quizby see don't look how old

1164
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: is Tony Ferguson?

1165
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 1: Thirty nine?

1166
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, okay, So you know through thirty nine at

1167
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 2: this weight class, especially with all the damage he's taken. Yeah, dude,

1168
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 2: that is you know, it's just absolute, an extraordinary amount.

1169
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: Now the screen is freezing. I'm gonna talk through it,

1170
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: but I just want to be clear about this. Thirty

1171
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: nine years of age in this weight class is I'm

1172
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: not going to say a death sentence. But at the

1173
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: same time, b see, it's just you're not in any

1174
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: capacity in the right place to be.

1175
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: So I know you have a great stat about fighters,

1176
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, over the age of thirty five at Walter

1177
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: waita below in title fights, what is the stat on

1178
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: fighters thirty nine and over on five fight losing streaks

1179
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: entering a pay per view main card fight?

1180
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: Can't be good. He can't be good at all, dude.

1181
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: It's probably real bad, all right. You see. Also on

1182
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: this card of note to me, we talked a little

1183
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: bit about it. On Monday, Stephen Thompson fighting Michelle Peeda.

1184
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: This is the third fight from the top on the

1185
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: main card. Obviously, wonder Boy Thompson comes into this fight

1186
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: sitting at forty years of age. If you can believe

1187
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: that forty, he's time flies, but he is coming off

1188
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: that win over Kevin Holland all the way back in

1189
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. By contrast, Michelle Paeda coming into this contest,

1190
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: how about this as you indicated five fight win streak

1191
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: dating all the way back to twenty twenty, with the

1192
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: sort of somewhat renewed style that he has, and you

1193
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: can see their overall records and the tail of the

1194
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: tape here between them BC, I gotta say, you look

1195
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: at the odds here. This is what they say our

1196
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 2: friends at Caesar's they have Padata as a slight underdog

1197
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 2: plus one twenty five Steven Thompson won fifty. Any concerns

1198
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: in your mind? Padata kind of goes back to the

1199
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: old wild guy, or maybe it's the exact opposite, and

1200
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: he even tries to wrestle.

1201
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that because in this five fight

1202
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: win streak we have seen flashes of that wrestling, and

1203
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, what would a commitment be? Like, I mean,

1204
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: look as much as he has gassed out in the

1205
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: past early and as ufc run by doing all the

1206
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: theatrics on the way to the cage and then in

1207
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: the map, I mean, look, do I love the wild video?

1208
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: Gameeniss of it, yes, but I've always been critical of

1209
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: him in the idea of pushing that energy toward the

1210
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: idea of winning fights, and he focuses that energy. I

1211
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: don't think there's a human alive in better physical shape

1212
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: than this guy. He's got a great motor, he's muscular

1213
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: as shit, he's explosive. But like the Johnny Walker reinvention,

1214
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: there's a similarity there in that regard. We've got to

1215
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: see him focusing on winning fights because with a five

1216
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: fight win streak, and I am surprised that he's an

1217
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: underdog here, although I realize at forty that Steven Thompson

1218
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: is still not that far removed from Stephen Thompson. I

1219
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: mean he's still when he loses, it's only against the

1220
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: super elites, and he's still very tough out and he

1221
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: stopped Kevin Allen, like you mentioned. Yeah, I need to

1222
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: see not a not the Capawerra padeda who's trying to,

1223
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, please people in the crowd too willingly and

1224
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: trying to make art with WonderBoy. This is not the

1225
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: time for that. You're on a five fight win streak

1226
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: and you're facing the biggest name available to you to

1227
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: really just catapult. Look if he extends this to a

1228
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: six fight win streak and beats Wonder Boy, seriously, we're

1229
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: catapulting him into the title picture. There's no question about it.

1230
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: So for that and for his age, he's been here

1231
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: now a while. I want to see the leak game.

1232
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: I want to see a strategic game. I want to

1233
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: see him go out there and beat Wonder Boy Thompson

1234
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: and get that big stamp on his resume, and then

1235
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: we can find out how great this guy can be.

1236
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: My confidence level that will necessarily do that, Luke. Not high,

1237
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: not high, Luke, I'm not high either, Not high, not high?

1238
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: You mean not high enough? Yeah, clizz pop clizz, don't look,

1239
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: don't look. How old is Podata?

1240
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess thirty five?

1241
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: How about twenty nine? Twenty nine years of age?

1242
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: Should I stfu? After that? Age? After that? Maybe he's

1243
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: not as old as I thought, Luke, I should stfu?

1244
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: Shouldn't I?

1245
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? A little bit? I mean I just think, you know,

1246
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: the guy came in with a very athletic background and

1247
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: obviously ability and was raw and kind of a dunk

1248
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: you know, just out there dunking it up, doing dunk

1249
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: stuff and has slowly refined it, but has not been

1250
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: to my knowledge. Like his best win is what the Ponzinibio.

1251
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: I mean in terms of names, it's the Ponzinibbio win.

1252
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: But that was a split decision, you know what I mean,

1253
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: Like this would be by far in terms of names.

1254
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: His best win christ On Crutches, Well this is you know,

1255
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: hey Wall Street Journal, tell.

1256
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: Me he never taps or he never tapped Luke Crutches

1257
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: or not.

1258
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: All right, just a reminder anyway. Point I'm trying to

1259
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: make here is he at twenty nine. I think folks

1260
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: have kind of like, oh, he's this reformed thing. But

1261
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: how far can he take it? It's a fair question.

1262
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: My point is at twenty nine, maybe maybe pretty far actually,

1263
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: maybe like these growing pains that we've seen are not

1264
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: just growing pains, but that the actual upside is significantly

1265
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: further than we imagine. Tough fight against Thompson to show that,

1266
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: but forty versus twenty nine, like all right, yeah, you know.

1267
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: And also to be fair on Padada, I just made

1268
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: him thirty five when he's really twenty nine. The only

1269
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: UFC losses he did have are exactly that their donk

1270
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: Losses Luke the DQ against Diego Sanchez where Diego kind

1271
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: of extra milk that to get the wind to stay alive.

1272
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: And then the where he completely gashed out against Tristan

1273
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: Connelly a level he should not have been losing fights

1274
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,959
Speaker 1: at because he did all the character shit. I hope

1275
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: that guy has made the evolution. But there is a

1276
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: window here. So Stock versus Stock, they we have wonder

1277
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: Boy as the favorite because he has, to his credit,

1278
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: retained a lot of that speed that he needs in

1279
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: elusiveness to pull off the style that he does. But

1280
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: Stock versus Stock, how far away do you think Podata

1281
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: actually is this version of him right now? You know,

1282
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: talent wise compared to this version of Thompson, it does

1283
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: have a pick them feel to it.

1284
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: It does. I mean, here's what it tells me. Is

1285
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: one thing I know for sure, wonder Boy is has

1286
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: fought much better guys and has beaten much better guys.

1287
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: About that, there can simply be no denial. However, it

1288
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: is also pretty clear to me that his punch resistance

1289
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: has been somewhat you know, obviously comp I mean, you're

1290
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: forty and you've been you know, point fighting karate or

1291
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: even fist fighting professionally for quite some time. Yeah, of

1292
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: course it's going to be diminished. I mean Pettis put

1293
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: his lights out. A guy like Padata, if he lands,

1294
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 2: is going to put his lights out. So that's really

1295
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: to me kind of what I'm looking for. And also, like,

1296
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, to what extent can a guy like this

1297
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: force Thompson into positions he wants to be in versus

1298
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: just kind of taking what Thompson gives him and hoping

1299
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: for the best, which is a little bit what he

1300
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: does sometimes with some of this stuff. It's an interesting fight.

1301
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: It's an intriguing one. There. We said it on Monday,

1302
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: RIGHTBC Crossroads right twenty nine nine crossroads fight, if ever

1303
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: there was one. But old guys in the UFC can

1304
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: sometimes use that wisdom for great effect.

1305
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: Look, did you know that Las Vegas, his own chef

1306
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: cas Ks is not just a chef to the stars

1307
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: in the UFC, but he's a capiware sense.

1308
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: Does he wear street lights on his bozak as he

1309
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: does capiware lessons?

1310
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: I thought it's chef cast. The other day, Luke I

1311
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: went to acupuncture and they were like, you want to

1312
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: do cupping? And I'm like all my favorite UFC fighters

1313
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: do it?

1314
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: Do you know?

1315
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: I have purple marks on my back now for the

1316
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: sixth straight day, like bright ass purple circles, Luke, Yeah,

1317
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: did it work? It did well? Yeah? I do it

1318
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: for anxiety, Luca. Look, I'm ridden with an anxiety. I'm

1319
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: not trying to say I own it. Look, I'm trying

1320
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: to get rid of it. OK. I'm trying to see.

1321
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for Zeke Will, I don't think I'd

1322
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: ever sleep again. I think I'm dead serious. I don't.

1323
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: I don't think I'd ever sleep again anyway, neither here

1324
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: nor there. I'm dying inside. BC. Here's the fight we

1325
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: didn't talk much about on Monday. I would love to

1326
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,479
Speaker 2: talk about now. How about the return of Michael Kiessa. BC.

1327
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 2: We haven't seen thirty five year old Michael Kissa. Now,

1328
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: we saw him for RSD, but I'm saying in the

1329
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: Octagon we haven't seen him since his loss to Sean

1330
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: Brady all the way back in November of twenty twenty one.

1331
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: It has been some time for Michael Kiessa. He takes

1332
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: on Kevin Holland what do you say? BC? Seems like

1333
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: striker versus grappler, does it not?

1334
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: It definitely does, Luke, And I'm interested in seeing this

1335
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: fight and how it breaks down. And it's like, look

1336
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: with Kisa, it's been a while and he is on

1337
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 1: a two fight losing streak. I mean, do you would

1338
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: you call it? At thirty five? Even with the growing

1339
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: broadcasting career, it feels like an element of must win

1340
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: here for our good friend Michael Kiyassa.

1341
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: I think must win's a strong word because I think

1342
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: he can still stay on the roster and beat guys

1343
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: who matter enough for the fans to care. Definitely, and

1344
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: if he wins here, obviously he's off to the races.

1345
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: But to your point, let's say he loses. Let's positive

1346
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: world where he loses, then what yeah, that would be

1347
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: a problem. That would be three in a row. And

1348
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: you know you can say, oh, well you didn't beat Vicente, Luke.

1349
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: But Luke, you know, we'll talk about him in just

1350
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: a minute. Is a hammer, right, it means just an

1351
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 2: absolute hammer. Sean Brady, he did get touched up on

1352
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: the feet, Sean Brady did. But Sean Brady isn't we

1353
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: saw him in person, We had him on the RSD

1354
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: couch a fucking gorilla, just an absolute gorilla of the

1355
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: highest order. And Michael Kiss even told us that that

1356
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: day when we had him on for RSD, like he

1357
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: just couldn't believe how strong Sean Brady is. Now Kevin

1358
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: Holland is a Travis Luter black belt, which that does

1359
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 2: deserve to be, you know, acknowledged, es Travis Luter is

1360
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: a very good teacher and a black belt from him

1361
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: is not easy to get. At the same time, it's

1362
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: just like Michael Kiessa should have a very clear advantage.

1363
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: So it's not that Kevin Holland is any kind of

1364
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: a pushover, It's not what I mean. But if you

1365
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: can't beat a guy who's got a clear deficiency in

1366
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: the skill set on paper at this stage, it does

1367
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: sort of raise questions about what ultimately is possible at

1368
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 2: one p seventy that was supposed to be this like

1369
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: reinvention for him, right.

1370
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy that Holland's already fought twice since that

1371
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: last minute lost to Jamaia f Luke, but he tends

1372
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: to fight every month anyway.

1373
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: The boy, I mean, he's unbelievable to his record twenty

1374
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: four and nine, sitting at thirty he's only thirty, only

1375
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: thirty years of age. So you noted he lost to

1376
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: Hamza and then he lost to a WonderBoy that was

1377
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: wonder Boy's last fight, but then rebounded against Santiago pons

1378
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: Nimbio with that beautiful left hook, and he looked good

1379
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: doing it, by the way, suffering adversity early in that

1380
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: fight and then coming back, Like, dude, Kevin Holland is

1381
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: really rounding out his game. He's really turning into something special.

1382
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: And you know the thing is, it's like you really

1383
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: got to admire his willingness to take on challenges that

1384
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: don't necessary early serve his interests.

1385
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1386
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: Uh, and in terms of like how the matchup should work,

1387
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: and he doesn't ever seem to shy away from it. Dud,

1388
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: I tit my cap to old Kevin.

1389
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: He's the new cowboy. He is, Luke. You know, I'll

1390
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: go do the dishes while you go have a beer. Dude,

1391
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: it where is my look that he is the new

1392
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: cowboy in that regard I've always had though. When you

1393
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: have that identity, you get big opportunities, You can get

1394
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: big wins. You also accumulate losses though, and at some

1395
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: level people don't take you seriously as a title contender

1396
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: even with a division change, Luke, will there be a

1397
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: run for Kevin Holland? I mean, if he gets a

1398
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: win here over a very good name like Chamaia and

1399
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: can put together, you know, continue put together the streak

1400
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: coming off of that defeat, the defeats, but it would

1401
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: be two in a row for him. Could this be

1402
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: the direction nowadage thirty to actually make a run and

1403
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: a new division here at Welterwait? Or is this going

1404
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: to be Kevin Holland's identity Gun for Hire, makes fun fights,

1405
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: goes out there and pours out the jug.

1406
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: I've I think if he beats Michael Kossa and listen,

1407
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 2: as long as he's willing to just fight whenever, he'll

1408
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: have This is the lesson of Donald Seroni, right. The

1409
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: lesson of Donald Serroni is that taking fights the way

1410
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: that he did probably limited his true upside. But even

1411
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: with that, he was able to get a certain amount

1412
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: of claim, you know, for all of the risk he

1413
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: that he was willing to court. And then he had

1414
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: a moment like that moment where he was beating like

1415
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: the Rick stories of the world and whatnot. He looked

1416
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: amazing and he earned the title shot against RDA ultimately

1417
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: that you know it didn't work, But you see what

1418
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying. He could have pronounced you know, bouts so

1419
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: to speak, no pun intended. Where he really is shining

1420
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: and breaking through. But if he's not more selective over time,

1421
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: then it probably could cost him. When I say selective,

1422
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 2: I don't mean like ducking everybody, but I mean like,

1423
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: am I really ready for a Michael Kiosa right now?

1424
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: We shall see on Saturday, but it certainly is qestionable fight.

1425
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: Do you have any comments about cowboys Seroni calling out

1426
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: Andrew Taate or Cowboy Olivera's libido either one?

1427
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: Do you have any comments? I did not, so, first

1428
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: of all, Cowbo Olivera is he the Antonio Cramarti of Mma.

1429
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: I believe that is the correct answer, Yes.

1430
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: Right, just can't stand condoms, just the worst things on earth?

1431
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, okay, Luke. I mean some of us have

1432
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: lived and died on the rhythm method for many decades.

1433
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I'm just saying. But on the other side,

1434
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 2: I didn't know that Cowboy did that. He would probably

1435
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 2: be a problem. I'm gonna guess he's on TRT this, yeah,

1436
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: exactly like I. You know, cowboys 't during a lot

1437
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: of damage. That's true, But I wouldn't want to accept

1438
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 2: that challenge. I could put that to you very very clearly. BC.

1439
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 2: I'll give you one more chance. Tell me any other

1440
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: fight on this. You know what, Let's do this, Let's

1441
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: do this. How about this, Derek Lewis. We got to

1442
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: talk about it, and we did on Monday, but it's

1443
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 2: worth bringing up one more time. He stands at twenty

1444
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 2: six and eleven is his record thirty eight years of age,

1445
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 2: by the way, younger than Tony Ferguson, younger than wonder Boy.

1446
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 2: Kind of amazing, but also in the headway class. So

1447
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: this is hardly any disaster. But BC, he has not

1448
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: won since beating Chris Daukas all the way back in

1449
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Let me remind folks, he wasn't like

1450
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: he was exactly fighting scrubs out there. He fought Tay

1451
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 2: tuy Vasa and got stopped with that brutal elbow in

1452
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: the second round. Then he fought Sergei Pavlovitch beat him

1453
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 2: inside excuse me lost, I should say inside the first round,

1454
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: and okay, Pavlovich is just a you know, one of

1455
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 2: the most dynamic punchers in the sport, and then he

1456
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 2: lost to Sergey Spivak, who we talked about is very

1457
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 2: much reformed since taking his game to extreme couture, tightening

1458
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 2: things up, really leveraging his strengths. Here, he's got another

1459
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: guy who is willing to bang it out with him,

1460
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: and the Derek Lewis of old should definitely beat a

1461
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 2: guy of this level. The question is, right, BC, is

1462
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 2: this still to Derek Lewis of old?

1463
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, four or five losses against anybody when

1464
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: all four by stoppage is damning, even in the heavyweight division,

1465
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: where stoppages obviously happened. Often when he has stepped down

1466
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: a level like he did against Chris Dakas, that guy

1467
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: was still in there. But you know, I mean, look,

1468
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis is always feast or fam You never know

1469
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. You never know what kind of

1470
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: shape he's gonna be in, you never know the strength

1471
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: of his back, You never know. Because of how often

1472
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: he says I just do this for the money, I'm

1473
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: not you know, I don't care about the title. This

1474
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: feels like a get well style of matchmaking to you know,

1475
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: crowd favorite to see if he can put a little

1476
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: run back together. But I really have doubts, Luke. It's

1477
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 1: not just getting caught and stopped by very good fighters.

1478
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: He has some very implosive defeats where it seems, you know,

1479
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: almost self induced. And while I appreciate him admitting that

1480
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: that Gon loss was largely him just being overwhelmed by

1481
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: the pressure of being in a title fight in his

1482
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: hometown and all that comes with that, I appreciate the

1483
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: candor in that regard, in the humility, but it's also

1484
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: a big part of who he is now. This fight

1485
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: doesn't have those same stakes outside of potentially the stakes

1486
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: of job security, which are nothing to be laughed at.

1487
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: But he should win this. I hope this leads to

1488
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: the eye of the Tiger coming out in camp and

1489
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: him going in there and showing that either way it's

1490
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: gonna be a slug f We know that coming in, Luke,

1491
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: But man, I love Derek Lewis. I don't want to

1492
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: see him fade away badly and lose on this level.

1493
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: And you had a I mean, look, if he goes

1494
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: out there and loses and especially gets stopped Luke, I

1495
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: don't know how you could continue to employ him. I

1496
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: don't and I but really, but I do, even even

1497
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 1: with the name and the fact that he delivers entertainment.

1498
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: How if a guy's getting stupped, you know, five times

1499
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: in six fights, how are you this is a there's

1500
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: a legitimate step down in matchmaking. How are you going

1501
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: to continue that?

1502
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: Luke? I don't know his one four of five, like

1503
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 2: he's not like you know, I mean he beat Maurice Green,

1504
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: Ben Rothwell, Andrea Alowski and then Waldo Cortes Acosta now

1505
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 2: that last name not necessarily the level these other guys

1506
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 2: or just Luke.

1507
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: Not moved at all. Congratulations. I mean, if you're allowed to,

1508
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 1: if you're allowed to shoot on marching Ty Burrows seven

1509
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: win in eight fights by saying he hasn't beaten anybody,

1510
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to.

1511
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So he was fighting Tom aspinall in a main event.

1512
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,839
Speaker 2: That's not what we're talking about here.

1513
01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Luke, but here's the deal. Ultimately, Okay, a

1514
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on him. They're gonna bang. I love

1515
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis, I love interviewing him, I love everything about him.

1516
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: I want to see him back. I want to see

1517
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: him return. He's got that opportunity right here, no question

1518
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: about it. But the recent history is not has not

1519
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: been kind. But Luke, you know this has been a

1520
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: big week for YouTube. Maya Coulpis, Can I just give

1521
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: my own right now and just say this. I know

1522
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: Cyril Gan's fighting Sergey Spivak, not Sergey Pavlovich, as I've

1523
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: said eighteen times on the last episode, and I believe

1524
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: two episodes before that. Luke, I tried to map out

1525
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: the future of the heavyweight division even though matchmaking wise,

1526
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: it's already been mapped out, and I came up empty

1527
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: on every single matchup because they were already pre you know, determined.

1528
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: So I've failed in my heavyweight homework right there. I

1529
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: may have failed again by shitting on Marcos de Rio,

1530
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: Riggerio de Lima, de Middlnog. But Luke, if he beats

1531
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis, it's over for the Black Beast. Okay, bro

1532
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: it is it is all right?

1533
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Let's move on if we can. BC. Let's

1534
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 2: talk about topic number four. It's the reason for the

1535
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 2: season on the boxing side of things, Spence versus Crawford.

1536
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: Now one more room again. Actually it won't be the

1537
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: last reminder, but it'll be another reminder Tomorrow ten am

1538
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 2: ten am in the East, BC and I will be

1539
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 2: on CBS Sports Network for two hours from ten am

1540
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 2: to noon, getting you ready for the big fight. Okay,

1541
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: that aside, BC, we are gonna have more to say there,

1542
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,879
Speaker 2: all right, and I encourage everyone to tune in tomorrow

1543
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 2: if they can. But for today, I wanted to ask

1544
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 2: a very simple question. Give me the best argument for

1545
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: Bud winning, and then let's talk about the best argument

1546
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 2: for Spence winning. Pick whichever one you want first.

1547
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: All right, Terrence Crawford is a more dynamic fighter than

1548
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: Eryl Spence. I understand Terrence Crawford being a slight betting

1549
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: favorite here, I believe he actually has more ways to win.

1550
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: When Terrence Crawford switches to southball, and granted he's fighting

1551
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: against another softball here, but we know the history of

1552
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: Terence Crawford. When he switches to southpaw, and which shows

1553
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: you that he has figured you out. He becomes a nasty, dynamic,

1554
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: unpredictable offensive fighter. Obviously, a key to this matchup is

1555
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: the fact that both are fighting opponents that are you know,

1556
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: the boss at the end of the video game that

1557
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: can both do it all that you can't get away

1558
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: with certain things that just because they worked against this guy.

1559
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: You're fighting almost a Spider Man Meme equivalent, although they're

1560
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: different fighters. But for Bud Crawford Luke, I feel he's

1561
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: got to constantly be a chameleon out there. I don't

1562
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: think that that unlike other fights. I don't think it's

1563
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: just once you make that adjustment, the fight's over, because

1564
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: Spence can constantly adjust the same. I need a Crawford

1565
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: who is switching stances on the regular. Switching up looks

1566
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: being elusive because when Errol Spence is allowed to go

1567
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: downhill on you, sometimes it does come down to the

1568
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: idea what we were talking about in Gaygee versus Poier

1569
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: of Foundationally, he can break you with that pressure. For

1570
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford, he is a little bit more quick, a

1571
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: little bit more elusive, a little bit more creative. I've

1572
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: got to see the full color palette of what this

1573
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: artist can do. And the best about this fight to

1574
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: me is the true level of competitive competitiveness between them.

1575
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: It's one hundred out of one hundred. There is a

1576
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 1: very very, very very good chance that inevitably this becomes

1577
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:15,440
Speaker 1: a dog fight at the highest level, still retaining elite skills. Inevitably,

1578
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna turn there. Terrence Crawford, in my mind, has

1579
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: to do his best to delay that inevitability. Yes, he's

1580
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: got to discipline Spence and try his best to prevent

1581
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: that forward, constant downhill pressure on him. But to me,

1582
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: that comes through the creativity, the ability to be there

1583
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: and not be there. Yes, he's thirty five years old,

1584
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: he's the old oldest fighter. But when the best face

1585
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: the best, sometimes greatness, as we saw in a new

1586
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: way against Fulton, can be jacked up to another level.

1587
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,839
Speaker 1: I believe Terrence Crawford has a distinct next level ability

1588
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: that he has not even been forced to show in

1589
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: this division. To me, that's gonna come through the artistry.

1590
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: I get him being the betting favorite. I get a

1591
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: lot of the experts, which you know, you get a

1592
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: lot of Fifth is a fifty to fifty fight. You're

1593
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: getting a lot of people in either way based on

1594
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: different things. But is there more of a majority opinion

1595
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: even though it's very close. Yeah, that's Terrence Crawford because

1596
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: of those skills, because of that constant elusiveness. He's got

1597
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: to be mentally one step ahead at all times. On

1598
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: the flip side, the case for Spence, I think is

1599
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: fairly simple. Even though he can do everything.

1600
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: He is an.

1601
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: Absolute welterweight tank. You just cannot find somebody mind you

1602
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: in a soft pus stance. On top of that, who

1603
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: is that big, durable, long in that level of shape

1604
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: with cardio for days. Who is going to just bite

1605
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: down and keep coming forward, never recklessly, but a willingness

1606
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: to constantly keep up that mental pressure and mental fatigue.

1607
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: What would be the best way to snuff out some

1608
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: of that dynamic ability of what Crawford can do that

1609
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: maybe Spence can't. It is by cutting off that ring

1610
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: and being a physical force and being willing to endure. Yes,

1611
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: we have seen Spence buzzed briefly by Danny Garcia, by

1612
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: Sean Porter, by even Hu Gost in the last fight.

1613
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: And if you go even deeper, you may remember the

1614
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Larte fight on his way up, where he was

1615
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,839
Speaker 1: straight up rocked and did a dance. But Spence's survived

1616
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: detached retina surgery, It survived an insane accident in which

1617
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: he's lucky to be alive, and when he goes into

1618
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: that ring, that's the closest thing you're gonna get in

1619
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: the walterweight division too, at absolute tank walking you down,

1620
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: beating you down. It's not just the punches that land,

1621
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: it's the physical thing, the durability and the physical illness

1622
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: that gets on top of you and wears you out.

1623
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: Can Terrence Croft, even the great Terrence Crawford, can he

1624
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 1: be broken with Spence's plan? A? I think he can.

1625
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: I think that's why this fight is so great. There

1626
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: are strong cases on either side, just as well as

1627
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: there's potential that the playbooks get thrown out and at

1628
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: some point the dogs come out and we find out

1629
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: whose backbone actually is stronger.

1630
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 2: I don't think Bud Crawford can beat sp Spence trying

1631
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 2: to outdog him, do you, I say, I know he

1632
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 2: can use more skills to win. Yes, I do think

1633
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 2: that's true.

1634
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: Look I say no, I say no, but I will

1635
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: say this. You agree with this. When Spence has figured

1636
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: you out and goes into finishing mode, he is nasty.

1637
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: He is nasty in his intention, in his power, and

1638
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: when you mix that with the creativity from the South

1639
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: past stance, I'm not gonna put it past him. I mean, look,

1640
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: here's here's the deal. We are probably heading toward a

1641
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: disputed decision in a great fight, correct, So it's going

1642
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: to be the slightest adjustment that ultimately might win this

1643
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: but can but can't but survived the flames. I'm not

1644
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: gonna tell you, no, I'm not because that guy is

1645
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: an all time great, which is why this fight is

1646
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: so special.

1647
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. Let me give one argument if I may,

1648
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: for Spence that I don't feel like gets enough credit.

1649
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: Now again, when Spence fought Porter. This is not true,

1650
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 2: but Spence fault Porter in a way that I would

1651
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 2: say is relative to a lot of the other fights

1652
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 2: I've seen very undisciplined from him. He just didn't look

1653
01:17:58,200 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: you know. When there was questions about like, oh, who

1654
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: Spence after the car wreck, I'm like, yeah, I sort

1655
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: of get it. But then you go to the Ugas

1656
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 2: fight and he just, in my judgment, completely redeemed himself.

1657
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 2: I was talking to I was talking to somebody who

1658
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: knows Chris Aljeri and Chris Algeria, who, by the way,

1659
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: fought Spence and I think didn't make it past the fifth.

1660
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 2: It was a beat down from Spence had said that

1661
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 2: when algery fought Spence and when he hit him, it

1662
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: said it felt like he was hitting someone who had

1663
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 2: armor that he couldn't believe, like how sturdy physically his

1664
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 2: body is. Now he can be hitting the chin and

1665
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 2: you know everyone is liable to be hit there. Kel

1666
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 2: Brooke touched it a few times as well. But BC

1667
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 2: there is something about like have you seen like they're

1668
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 2: both in tremendous shape. But and then, by the way,

1669
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 2: I know Bud used to wrestle, and I know people

1670
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: say Bud is very strong, even for one seven, But

1671
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 2: I have to tell you, man, you look at Spence,

1672
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 2: he is in absurd, absurd shape. Physically, you look at him,

1673
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 2: he looks like he is chiseled out of stone. And

1674
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 2: when you hear someone else like Algerie, who by the way,

1675
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: was a world champion in boxing, say when he touched

1676
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 2: him it felt like he was punching armor. Man, I

1677
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 2: gotta tell you, I really wonder, you know, if Spence

1678
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: is able to make a lot of this fight an

1679
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 2: inside fight and he's got that kind of just physical

1680
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 2: freakness to him in terms of sturdiness, and he actually

1681
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: ends up being the stronger guy. I think that could

1682
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 2: end up being a decisive factor for him ultimately if

1683
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: the fight ends up going twelve rounds. What do you think?

1684
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: I fully agree with you. I actually talked to Chris

1685
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: Algerry for a feature on Spence Luke that I have

1686
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 1: coming out this week, and so he echoed the same

1687
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: exact comments that you're saying that it said where it

1688
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: was like when he went in there against him, mind you,

1689
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: in that part of Spence's rise, Algerry was the first

1690
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: legitimate tough test former champion at one forty who had

1691
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: moved up to forty seven. No, never a big puncher,

1692
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: but slick can outstyle you. He was remarkably blown away

1693
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: by the fact that Spence, who has a deep amateur history,

1694
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: a deeper one than Bud to be fair, was so

1695
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: hard to hit for a guy who's walking you down

1696
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: and coming forward. But damn did he echo exactly what

1697
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: you said. He said he landed his first Algerry said,

1698
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: he landed his first big shot on a big body

1699
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: shot and it just it almost hurt his hand. He said,

1700
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: it was like it did nothing to budge him or

1701
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: make him go back. And one thing al Jerry told me.

1702
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: That is so key and something we have to think

1703
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 1: about entering this fight is for being that extremely large

1704
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: as Spence is for this division. It cutting all that

1705
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: weight so dramatically does not damage his gas tank. Kompubox

1706
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: number was wise. He's one of the busiest welterweights among

1707
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: the elites, so you think about the mental pressure he

1708
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: puts on you. He's a freaking like Joel Romero like

1709
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: tank for this weight class. Yet he's never gonna get tired.

1710
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: He's got a great chin, and he's constantly throwing punches

1711
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: and going hard to the body and getting on you.

1712
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: Algerry even brought up a great point. He said, even

1713
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: when you block body punches against Spence that close range,

1714
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: he's punching you in a way that is driving your

1715
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: own elbow into your rib cage. Meaning everything he lands

1716
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: is force full and to hurt you, whether it's being

1717
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: blocked or not. That is something to seriously think about.

1718
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: Because Spence has not hit his cards. Luke, he said,

1719
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 1: he's going through Crawford. We know that even though he

1720
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: outboxed Mikey Garcia purposely from distance, you have to believe

1721
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: he believes, meaning Spence his true edge in this fight

1722
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: will come down to that size plus dog. Could that

1723
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: be enough? Could Arroce Crawford be broken? I do think

1724
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 1: it's possible, because Spence is that great luke man. This

1725
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: fight could go in so many different directions. I mean, look,

1726
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: it's we're headed toward a disputed decision, aren't we. We are?

1727
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: This fight's gonna be so brilliant we are.

1728
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 2: It could be or or one size is gonna beat

1729
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 2: down the other one. You know, it could be that way.

1730
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: It could it be Bud's magic takes over or Spence

1731
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 2: the terminator takes over. Honestly, I'm prepared for, frankly, any

1732
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 2: of these outcomes if we can be candid. But the

1733
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 2: best case scenario to me is either the terminator style

1734
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 2: of Spence is gonna matter or Bud's ability to adapt

1735
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 2: and improvise on the fly is gonna matter. And they're

1736
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 2: both so effing dynamic with it. Cannot wait for Saturday

1737
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 2: and again one more time. Ten am in the East tomorrow,

1738
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: seven am in the West. Catch me in BC on

1739
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 2: CBS Sports Network, getting you ready with every element and

1740
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 2: detail of this fight. It should be a great time. BC.

1741
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 2: We move along if we can to a very weird

1742
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: story and frankly a bit of a concerning one, if

1743
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 2: I can say so myself. So, according to the Nevada

1744
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 2: Athletic Commission, here, I'm looking at the story from MMA Fighting,

1745
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 2: Vicente Luka has been cleared to fight after suffering a

1746
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 2: brain bleed in the Jeff Neil knockout loss. So I'm

1747
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 2: just gonna read just a part of this. Luke is

1748
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: thirty one. He's only thirty one. He's been around forever,

1749
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 2: right Damn was knocked out in the third round on

1750
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 2: August sixth of twenty twenty two against Jeff Neil, and

1751
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: he was given a one year suspension after suffering the

1752
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 2: brain bleed. He applied for a new fight license during

1753
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 2: a meeting within Nevada Commission on Tuesday. So he's scheduled

1754
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 2: to headline UFC Vegas seventy eight against Hafayel dos Anjos.

1755
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 2: Not like some scrub. I know, he's a small are

1756
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 2: sort of welterweight, but still, and of course that'll be

1757
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 2: August twelfth at the Apex. So this is what it says. Quote.

1758
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 2: As a condition of his licensure, Luke was required to

1759
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 2: submit clearance from both a neurologist and a neurosurgeon independent

1760
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 2: of one another to fight as well excuse to fight,

1761
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: excuse me, as well as a new MRI of his brain.

1762
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: The Nevada Athletic Commission's medical consultant reviewed and approved the clearance.

1763
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 2: The executive director, Jeff Mullen told MMA Fighting after an

1764
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: initial report that initially came from MMA Junkie, that's it. Okay,

1765
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 2: So BC, should we be concerned or how do you

1766
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: feel well?

1767
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, obviously, first and foremost that's concerning news

1768
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: in this sport is so dangerous that that we want

1769
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: only the best for Luke and the safest decision to

1770
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: come back. But look, I do think with the increased

1771
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:52,480
Speaker 1: focus on brain health research and the you know, adjusted

1772
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 1: levels of testing that UFC has committed to and that

1773
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: we see at the highest level of combat sports, has

1774
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,959
Speaker 1: there not been evident So some sort.

1775
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: Of like.

1776
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:08,799
Speaker 1: Brain regeneration after injuries like this when they're not overly dramatic.

1777
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we've seen that right in the

1778
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: past that fighters have been had this diagnosis, took some

1779
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: time off and we're able to sort of recover. If

1780
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: that can be proven by health, then we can go

1781
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: in that direction, it gives you some level of confidence

1782
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 1: on a clearance, but still, in general, bleeding on the

1783
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: brain is about as a dangerous thing as you can

1784
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: get in here. That used to just meet an automatic

1785
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: retirement and an exit here. If he does get cleaned

1786
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: through thorough research, there could be an adapted future of

1787
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: sustaining and advancing. But in my nervous form moving forward, you'

1788
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 1: damn right, Luke.

1789
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you know, what the hell do we

1790
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 2: know about brain health beyond what we read in the

1791
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 2: headlines or what some authority figure tells us. I don't

1792
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 2: have any training in this discipline. I don't know anything

1793
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 2: about it. I do know that when you're bleeding on

1794
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 2: the brain, that's extremely serious. And I do know that

1795
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: like that is concerning. I mean, you know, I got

1796
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: mixed feelings. We see, like, on the one hand, ste

1797
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: already one and you know, if if a neurosurgeon and

1798
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 2: another uh excuse me, let me look at the let

1799
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 2: me look at the wording here one more time, a

1800
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 2: neurologist and a neurosurgeon, again independent of one another, are

1801
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 2: able to come to some kind of an agreement about

1802
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: this in terms of what their consensus is and then

1803
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 2: a third doctor essentially is reviewing it. I mean, that's

1804
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 2: that gives me some hope. Plus they're having an MRI.

1805
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 2: That gives me some hope. I just have to say, like,

1806
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 2: maybe he can fight again. Honestly, but like two things

1807
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 2: kind of stand out to me. One, what if he

1808
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 2: gets viciously chaoed, because that may have nothing to do

1809
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 2: with his like the current state of his brain per se,

1810
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 2: but like more just his style. And then what does

1811
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 2: that do to compound any existing problems? I do worry

1812
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: about that. And the other part is it's like, Okay,

1813
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 2: maybe he could fight again in terms of like the

1814
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 2: things that we know to look for, that the health

1815
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: markers that matter again, like we're making sure medical professionals

1816
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 2: of different but related disciplines are all looking at this.

1817
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 2: But what about the CTE, the long term CTE, Like

1818
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 2: if you're thirty years old, because he's thirty one. Now,

1819
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 2: if you're thirty years old and you're suffering brain bleeds,

1820
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 2: what are you going to be when you're forty one

1821
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 2: years old? You know? And like dude, it's amazing, like

1822
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 2: people like young men in their twenties or early thirties

1823
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 2: are very hard to talk to about, Like, Hey, you're

1824
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: gonna have a life after all of this, and you're

1825
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,560
Speaker 2: gonna want to like have a little bit more ability

1826
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 2: to like, you know, think through those years and be

1827
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 2: cognitively clear and in control of what you want to

1828
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 2: be in control of. And you're trading some of that

1829
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 2: off here doing this. And if you're thirty and having

1830
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 2: a brain bleed, man, I got to tell you, like,

1831
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, bro, I don't know how. I mean,

1832
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: I can understand an argument for why he should be

1833
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 2: able to fight. What I'm having a harder time figuring

1834
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: out is like, dude, what is the endgame here? You know?

1835
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 2: Are you is he really going to spend like four

1836
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 2: more years trying to get a title shot after having

1837
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 2: a brain bleed and coming up short and potentially getting

1838
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 2: serious knockouts and then now we've just added this incredible

1839
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 2: amount of CT in the process. I don't know, man,

1840
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: There's these are tough questions. There's no clean answer. It's

1841
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 2: one of the lives, you know, in the fight games,

1842
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 2: you don't want to deny someone an opportunity to compete

1843
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 2: kind of situation. But I gotta tell you, I'll be

1844
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 2: watching that one with the looking through my fingers, you

1845
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1846
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we've seen major major rule changes in

1847
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: the NFL which do more things to protect brain health.

1848
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: But you know, the effects are obviously the rules of

1849
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: increased scoring and stuff like that. But it's still football, right,

1850
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 1: you can still tackle, it's still physical. Do you ever

1851
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: see a I mean, things go cyclically cyclically sometimes in

1852
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: terms of public trends in what we rail against or

1853
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: what we're not worried about. I mean, do you see

1854
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 1: a scenario where combat sports I mean you have to

1855
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: have major, major issues to get here, but where combat

1856
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: sports where you see major rule changes to try to

1857
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 1: offset this. At the end of the day, Luke, it

1858
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: is what it is in terms of the violence and

1859
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 1: the threat that it offers. Yeah, we're not experts. We

1860
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,560
Speaker 1: don't have answers on this, but I don't know.

1861
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 2: I will say this like that question. You know, we don't. Again,

1862
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,719
Speaker 2: this is just beyond our purview, but I do wonder.

1863
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 2: It's like we always say, oh, you wouldn't be able

1864
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: to fight after something like catastrophic like you know, brain

1865
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 2: swelling and they have to like crack your skull open

1866
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 2: so that your brain can have room to swell, Like, yeah,

1867
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 2: after something like that, you're not going to be fighting anymore, right,

1868
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 2: I mean that sounds like pretty pretty clear. And you

1869
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 2: know who is the quarterback in DC Alex Smith, who

1870
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: like completely had he didn't just fracture his femur or

1871
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 2: I should say his his his shin bone. He actually

1872
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 2: had what's called a spiral fracture where it was a

1873
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: break through a twist and he was still able to

1874
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 2: come back and you know, play reasonably ish well for

1875
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 2: another NFL season or so. But BC, I gotta tell you,

1876
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 2: like you know again we don't know, but are the

1877
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 2: is like, you know, a catastrophic situation the only one

1878
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 2: where you should stop fighting, you know, where you like

1879
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 2: literally can't even anymore, or it's something like this actually

1880
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 2: the canary in the coal mine to tell you to stop,

1881
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1882
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: Hard to say, Luke, you know, hard for us to

1883
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: say too, when somebody's still at such a young age

1884
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: and feels like they this is their career. But what

1885
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, you got to you got to play the

1886
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: risk and the worth. And I wish him well, Luke.

1887
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: Either way, I don't I don't know, Yeah.

1888
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 2: I get the answer made the best man win on

1889
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 2: August twelfth. That's all you can ever hope for. But

1890
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 2: what I would say is I hope he's okay. I

1891
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 2: hope he's okay. That's it, all right? Topic number six

1892
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 2: be see. Let's go through some fight announcements here very

1893
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 2: quickly if we can. At Caged Aggression MMA. I guess

1894
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: this is October fourteenth, Pat Militic, Mike Mike Jackson. I

1895
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 2: guess this is the fight brought to you by jan

1896
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 2: six or something.

1897
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: So according to the Internet Luke. According to Twitter, at

1898
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 1: some point Mike Jackson sought the coaching of Pat Militic

1899
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Speaker 1: for a fight, which didn't end up happening. He had

1900
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of a falling out with Pat that

1901
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,799
Speaker 1: reportedly led to Mike Jackson making public comments about Pat's

1902
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: political leanings. Remember he was there on the steps on

1903
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,560
Speaker 1: January sixth, and even some level of accusations of racism

1904
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 1: that led to them not being on good terms. That

1905
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 1: has now led to this regional MMA fight when Pat

1906
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: is what fifty eight years old?

1907
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's old.

1908
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: What are we doing here, Luke? What are we doing here?

1909
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I think also militany

1910
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so tuned out, but my understanding is

1911
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 2: I might be messing this up. Someone candebt wrong me.

1912
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 2: It's okay. Something related to Pat feels like accusations from

1913
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 2: Mike have led to being blackballed from the industry. I'm

1914
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 2: not he.

1915
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 1: Had an out what did you have? An LFA announcing job,

1916
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: and that he feels that he lost to due to

1917
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: social media allegations of racism linked towards January sixth and

1918
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 1: all of that.

1919
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to fist fight it out.

1920
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, what a shit's the or that's

1921
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 1: perfect for MMA? But you know, I mean, look, Pat's

1922
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: a badass. No one's at any ever questioning that. But

1923
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: what are we gaining with this? We're gaining nothing with this.

1924
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: This is this is weird, Luke. I mean, it's it's

1925
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 1: it's just.

1926
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 2: It's not influencer fighting. It's like political influencer fighting almost

1927
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 2: in a way. You know, it's weird. It's weird, all right? Uh,

1928
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: moving on from that, P see Derek Brunson's gonna be

1929
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 2: fighting Roman Dalidze You love that, oh, UFC two ninety five,

1930
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 2: November eleventh, Yes, excitly.

1931
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: Yes, Luke, Roman's got a bun in the oven, right,

1932
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 1: this would be a big fight for their family's future. Correct.

1933
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'll take your word for it.

1934
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: Oh it happened to I happen to have Instagram on

1935
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 1: my phone, so that's why I've seen stuff like that.

1936
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, look, I like this matchup. Roman had his

1937
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: close up against victory whether he was you know, to

1938
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: find out if he was really coming through and going

1939
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: to be a future Hammer close fight. Ultimately lost it,

1940
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: but I do think there's a lot to learn from

1941
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: that and build on in terms of putting some things together.

1942
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 1: He does have some things to iron out. Derek Brunson

1943
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: at this point, Luke Cisco hair dye job or not?

1944
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: Thong the Thong Thong Thong does feel like they're right

1945
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: opponent to find out whether he's coming or going. Here

1946
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: the nice bounce back opportunity against a guy with a

1947
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: great name who's still got something left in the tank.

1948
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 2: Okay, this one got announced I think yesterday if memory serves.

1949
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 2: But Patricio Pitbull Frede, we all know him. He just

1950
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 2: lost to Obviously, Sergio Pettis is gonna take on Chihiro Suzuki.

1951
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 2: This will be this weekend. He's fighting on four days notice.

1952
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 2: I guess uh with.

1953
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 1: I'll say Luke. Aj McKee had to pull out of

1954
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:40,440
Speaker 1: the of the Lightweight World Grand Prix and Roberto Desuza

1955
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 1: is in to take on Patrichy pit Bull, but to

1956
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 1: bolster up the card due to the loss of aj McKee,

1957
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,879
Speaker 1: who is now out of the tournament with this injury,

1958
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna get Patricio Pitbull back against a kickboxer and

1959
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: Suzuki could be interesting, could be interesting Saturday from Japan.

1960
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: There in this belatour super rise and to crossover event.

1961
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 2: It could be. I mean that that the Petus win

1962
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 2: was sort of like you know, obviously pitt Bull didn't

1963
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 2: look bad, but he didn't look pit Bull'd be curious

1964
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 2: to see what he looks like here on Saturday, uh

1965
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 2: b C. I thought we talked about this. Maybe not

1966
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 2: Corey san Haagen obviously no longer fighting Umar and Number

1967
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 2: Gametov is now going to take on Rob Font UFC Nashville,

1968
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 2: August fifth. I'm pretty excited about that.

1969
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's one half of the font Forecast podcast along

1970
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 1: with uh with with a guy Luke, what's our guy's name?

1971
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 1: From Liverpool? Mike Michael, Yeah, Mike Owen's media shout out there.

1972
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: So yeah. So obviously Font was supposed to be fighting

1973
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: on that Boston card in a big fight fot coming

1974
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: off that resounding finish of Adrian Janz to hand him

1975
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 1: his first defeat. Now he's getting a huge opportunity here, Luke,

1976
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: if it does feel like, look this is the last

1977
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: run for Rob Pomp potentially here in his mid thirties,

1978
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: coming off such a breakthrough win. Talk about an opportunity

1979
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: here against Corey Sandagan. If he goes out there and

1980
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: wins that, Luke, I mean, we're we're talking about the

1981
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: top of the pops, right.

1982
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 2: Top of the pops. Absolutely, san Haagen wins, He's going

1983
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 2: to be right at the cusp of a title shot

1984
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 2: at Font wins, That's the best win in his UFC run.

1985
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 2: He's coming in red hot, Corey san Haagen's coming in

1986
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 2: red hot. You know, we lost some stuff to make

1987
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 2: this fight happen. Obviously, people got injured, blah blah blah.

1988
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: But I'm not mad at it at all. Love this fight.

1989
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 2: B C very quickly nasat Hack parass Is taking on

1990
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 2: Sam Patterson UFC Paris, September second, Okay, that matters to you.

1991
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:22,799
Speaker 1: Okay, it's all right.

1992
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine. And then Jamie Malarkey taking on

1993
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 2: John macdessi. John mcdessi is still on the roster UFC

1994
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 2: two ninety three, September ninth.

1995
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: Look, were you a bigger fan of John Alessio or

1996
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Alessio Sakara?

1997
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 2: John Alessio had whoa. John Alessio's fight with Diego Sanchez

1998
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 2: was interesting and weird. And Alessio Sakara got kicked in

1999
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 2: the balls by Ron Faircloth so hard he.

2000
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,759
Speaker 1: Drive and the fight was over Italian.

2001
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 2: So you know they both have memorable moments. All right,

2002
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 2: all right, I will say this. I'll say this, the

2003
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 2: tattoos of Sakara a little bit better, a.

2004
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: Little bit better, a little bit better in that regard. Hey, look,

2005
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: we get to topic seven because I was jumping out

2006
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: of my shorts when.

2007
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 2: I heard this. Well, you know what, I don't even

2008
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 2: care about this topic. Why don't you lead with this topic?

2009
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 2: All right? Have the BC special here on this one.

2010
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: A lot of people always asking me BC, who's the

2011
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: best featherweight in the world, And you know I often

2012
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 1: have to, unfortunately say he's retired. And his name is

2013
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Zabeat Magomed Shecheropov. But according to Zabeat Luke, who I

2014
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: assume here was talking to some level of Russian media

2015
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 1: through translation, he is claiming that he was offered a

2016
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 1: chance to return by the UFC. And we have seen

2017
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 1: Zabat give somewhat cryptic social media posts about getting back

2018
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 1: into training and you know, maybe teasing a comeback, but

2019
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: that he was offered by the UFC an immediate title

2020
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 1: shot against Alexander Volkanowski should he return, which he then

2021
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: turned down. Luke Thomas, this would have been wild, right,

2022
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:54,679
Speaker 1: This would have been real wild.

2023
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 2: I admit this one would have been interesting. This one

2024
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 2: would have been interesting. I still don't think he like

2025
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 2: you think he beats do you?

2026
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna comment on that, Luke out

2027
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: loud right now. I mean, you know, we all have

2028
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 1: our favorite.

2029
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 2: No.

2030
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: Look, I mean there's there's some people that won't let

2031
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 1: me get off the fact that that he, you know,

2032
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 1: was hanging on for dear life against Calvin Cator around three, right,

2033
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 1: that did happen. That did happen. Now, he's not gonna

2034
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: beat Volk But would that be a story? Would that

2035
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: be something interesting. If Vulk's next title defense was a

2036
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: returning Zabad after all this time off, you have to

2037
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: agree Luke I overinflate his true level of potential. Probably, probably,

2038
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: But the guy was uniquely awesome. Be fair with me here.

2039
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 2: The guy was well, I just think I'll say this

2040
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 2: every once in a while, the UFC is good to

2041
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 2: just go surprise and you're like, what.

2042
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: What happened here? Like Matt Hughes versus hoys Gracie that

2043
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:50,759
Speaker 1: time right where he's what the hell?

2044
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 2: Oh that was? That was actually an important fight because

2045
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 2: I remember so many people at the time being like, yeah,

2046
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 2: but Hoyst beats like three guys in one night. I'm like, right,

2047
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 2: not one of those guys would like last fight seconds

2048
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 2: against Hughes and they're like, nah, dude, he's gonna win.

2049
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh right. The UFC is doing this to

2050
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,600
Speaker 2: show how good the new crop of guys is, so

2051
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 2: that one had like a real generational lesson learning value

2052
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 2: for the audience kind of thing. At the moment time,

2053
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 2: this is just like, hey, let's just put you know,

2054
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:18,799
Speaker 2: five cats in a bag and just see what happens.

2055
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 2: Just let chaos rain, you know what I mean?

2056
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Look who laid who laid a larger egg? Hoyce Gracie

2057
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 1: and that long awaited UFC return against Matt Hughes where

2058
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: he got taken down onto his stomach and then just

2059
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: got punched until they stopped it. Or Arena al Donna

2060
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 1: against Amanda or Cyril Gone against John Jones.

2061
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's definitely not hoys because you know that

2062
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 2: was that was always gonna go that way, right, that's

2063
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 2: the difference, Like that was always gonna go that way.

2064
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 2: The Aldana fight didn't need to go that way, and

2065
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 2: the Gon fight I guess it could have. I mean,

2066
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 2: here's what you have to decide. Is it worse to

2067
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 2: just get completely on over with like an offer no

2068
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 2: resistance or is it worse to like not really ever

2069
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 2: engage and it just goes on and on and on.

2070
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what the answer is. They're both pretty bad.

2071
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 1: I think the answer is Crone Gracie in his last fight.

2072
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: I think that's actually the answer.

2073
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 2: That's probably the answer. Yes, that's probably the answer. It

2074
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:22,719
Speaker 2: would have been fun, It would have been fun.

2075
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 1: But well, okay, but what what would be the odds, Luke,

2076
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: if it's a be accepted this what are the Betty

2077
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: Gods against Superman?

2078
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 2: Volcare Volk is going to be somewhere in the minus threes, right,

2079
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 2: gotta be somewhere in the minus threes. Now you asked

2080
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 2: me that question, and the screen has frozen, so yes, yes,

2081
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 2: I love it when the screen freezes. We got to

2082
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 2: figure out something else other than zoom. Mm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Technical

2083
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 2: difficulties in my life.

2084
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: There we go, There we go, there we go.

2085
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 2: Yeah we don't. We should never use zoom again because

2086
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 2: it's destroying the show. How about that. It's destroying the show.

2087
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 2: It's not anyone else's fault. I blame zoom. But yeah,

2088
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 2: there you go, we think BC.

2089
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a good run. Look, okay, maybe we

2090
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 1: should just put this child to bed already. As Mikey says,

2091
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: it's my McDonald's WiFi, Luke.

2092
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's not surprising. Mine's hardwired. Yours are

2093
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 2: just some nubs. I don't know what it.

2094
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: Is, dude, Mikey and I did a test. My WiFi

2095
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: is faster than my hard wire.

2096
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's your connection. Yeah, it's you. I can

2097
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 2: see it. It's you. You got that McDonald's WiFi. Bro,

2098
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 2: you got that Wendy's Wi Fi. All right, let's remind

2099
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 2: everyone we'll probably do fan subs and dead wrong on Friday.

2100
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 2: There will be a show on Friday. I'll be live

2101
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:45,719
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, BC will be live in his basement,

2102
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 2: but we will do one. Just the same reminder one

2103
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 2: more time, ten a m. In the East tomorrow CBS

2104
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:56,520
Speaker 2: Sports Net. Check us out a full Spence Crawford preview.

2105
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 2: We're gonna get you ready for the big fight in

2106
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 2: every way we can. Then, of course Friday show is

2107
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:02,879
Speaker 2: gonna be great as well for the whole Combat Sports

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Speaker 2: b see any final thoughts before we get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had big allergies this week and everyone thinks

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Speaker 1: I'm on the Craig Jones train. Luke, I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 1: like I've been having a blow my nose all week

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Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, b party drug BC is back. No, no, no, people,

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Speaker 1: why why Luke? Why?

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Speaker 2: But you will do whippets in the back of a

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Speaker 2: Hearty's I know I have.

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Speaker 1: It was at RBS, by the way, and I had

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Speaker 1: a Jamocha shake in the other hand. Great flavor, great

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Speaker 1: flipper by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, with that in mind, thank you to

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Speaker 2: everyone who watched. We will hopefully see you tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: again on Friday, and then again on Saturday night with

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Speaker 2: not one but two live streams for afterwards. UFC two

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Speaker 2: ninety one results. Spence Crawford was alts competing streams but

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Speaker 2: fun streams just the same. All right. That's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you to Mikey Thinking, to everyone

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Speaker 2: in the CBS crew, Showtime and Malka. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: guys tomorrow and Friday and every other day and until then,

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Speaker 2: may all of your gains be loyal.