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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's on the commercials. He's an analyst. He can,

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Speaker 2: It, and that's why we need him to lead off here. Okay,

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Speaker 2: first game, Steve.

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Speaker 6: Why Steve Baltimore Ravens coming off of two wins in

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Speaker 6: a row, are three and a half point favorites at

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Speaker 6: the Minnesota Bikeen who got JJ McCarthy back and feel

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Speaker 6: great about it? The over under forty nine and a half.

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Speaker 6: Kevin Coogler and Darryl Moose Johnston on the call, both

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Speaker 6: of these teams juicy one.

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Speaker 2: How do you see it going? The juicy game.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad I got the Purple on because we're starting

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Speaker 4: off with the two purple teams right here.

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Speaker 2: Three and a half is a little bit much for me.

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Speaker 4: I think the Vikings defensively looked much better than we've

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Speaker 4: seen them play in a long time. Could have been

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Speaker 4: a familiar opponent in Detroit, but they seemed to have

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Speaker 4: some things going and a lot because they got Alex

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Speaker 4: Van Kinkle back right, He's an edgeshtd that they were lacking.

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Speaker 4: He's a heck of a player, which is why I'm

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Speaker 4: not that comfortable with the three and a half for Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: Not saying the Ravens are gonna win, but this is

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Speaker 4: gonna be a pretty darn tight game. And I love

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Speaker 4: what JJ McCarthy brought. He brought some of that, you know,

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Speaker 4: justin Herbert. I got this like we're all good, I'm

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Speaker 4: fresh now. There was a lot more juice to that

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Speaker 4: offense than it was with the one armed Carson.

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Speaker 3: Wins because he wasn't afraid to go for it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: He actually had some bad negative plays were there were

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Speaker 1: a couple plays where he turned the wrong way. One

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Speaker 1: resulted in the fumble that they that they got back.

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Speaker 1: He missed a couple throws in terms of accuracy. Brady

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Speaker 1: was a little hard on him, but he kept just

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Speaker 1: like firing it. And he also had some big time

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Speaker 1: play so I think they will take that trade off,

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Speaker 1: certainly out of a young player like McCarthy, but even

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Speaker 1: comparing him to what we saw early in the season

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Speaker 2: You want a.

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Speaker 1: Little big playability because you have so many big playmakers

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was such a great confidence boosting game

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Speaker 5: mentally for JJ McCarthy. We talked about it a little

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Speaker 5: bit on the Recap Show. It wasn't just that the

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Speaker 5: floor of every other phase that was supposed to already

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Speaker 5: be helping a young quarterback out the plan going into

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Speaker 5: the season, whether it was a run game that looks improved,

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Speaker 5: that looked like itself again getting into the backfield making

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Speaker 5: plays on the ball. That defensive line looked leaps and

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Speaker 5: bounds better than it had over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 5: For the Vikings, all of those things combined give JJ

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Speaker 5: McCarthy a complete runway. The only problem is they're catching

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Speaker 5: the Ravens at a time when the Ravens are vastly

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Speaker 5: improved on the defensive side of the ball. And it

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Speaker 5: starts with moving Kyle Hamilton back to linebacker and defensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: Well I wanted two years in a row.

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Speaker 4: They've made a change in the rotation in the middle

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Speaker 2: Charges to the heck of a player he has looked

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Speaker 4: Last year they did with our Darius Washington, who ruptured

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Speaker 2: But that switch.

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Speaker 4: Now they're moving Cayle Hamilton closer to the lion scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: Last year they moved him back off the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: Has changed the flow of their defense. So that's interesting

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Speaker 4: but two different guys who's shown up has really influenced

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Speaker 6: I think what we see in the second and really

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Speaker 6: the defense with Baltimore these past two years is where

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Speaker 6: they have the talent deficiency because Kyle Hamilton is the

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Speaker 6: versatile talented player, and you get like Teddy Buchanan who's

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Speaker 6: still playing a lot of snaps where you feel like, wow,

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Speaker 6: we really need some more athleticism in certain spots in

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Speaker 6: the field. You get Kyle Hamilton down there, you can

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Speaker 6: make adjustments elsewhere and things work out a little bit better.

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Speaker 6: You would like to see more pass rush, but Kyle Hamilton, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But that's the issue on offense as well.

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Speaker 3: I wish I brought him up for Defensive Player of

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Speaker 4: Know, we're getting ro Quants with back healthy help. But

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Speaker 4: flip side of that, since it we're coming off the

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Speaker 4: trade deadline. To this point, there has been no more

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Speaker 4: the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: He's got four sacks or Gilman. Yes, it helped out

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Speaker 1: both teams, helped up.

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Speaker 5: Both and wins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've hardly ever seen the Ravens night it got.

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Speaker 1: It fell a little under the radar because it happened Monday.

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Speaker 1: We didn't mention it on the Monday Night ricap. But

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Speaker 1: Draymont Jones going to the Ravens. Now that was a

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Speaker 1: playing well. And I wonder, Patrick, you're a Ravens fan, like,

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Speaker 1: sticking because the Vikings did look like a different defense

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Speaker 3: Week, and that is here. They cut like that they're

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Speaker 6: On that one, But I think that's more consistent in

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Speaker 6: but they still blitz at a high volume, So there

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Speaker 6: is variance there. And they're going up against in this matchup,

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Speaker 6: the best quarterback in the NFL against the Blitz right now,

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Speaker 6: and Lamar is still completing ninety's played.

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Speaker 2: It's a high.

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Speaker 6: Level on play action, and I've screened like, if it's

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Speaker 6: second half against the against the Dolphins, it was play action,

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Speaker 2: Was it was working. So we'll see if it works

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Speaker 5: I almost don't I say. I feel like I say

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Speaker 5: this every time Flores comes up against a quarterback that's

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Speaker 5: against the blitz. I want to see those weird, funky

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Speaker 5: coverages where he just drops everybody. I know, I know

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Speaker 5: just trying to rush for even rush a lighter, a

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Speaker 5: lighter front. But to your point, with Van Ginkle back

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Speaker 5: want to see them drop everybody. And I have no

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Speaker 5: doubt that Lamar can navigate that. But I want to

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Speaker 5: see them make it as tough as possible in a

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Speaker 2: Sing for the game to do it, it might be

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Speaker 2: the game to do it.

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Speaker 1: They said a lot about Van Ginkle's importance. I think

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Speaker 1: the way they used him, he he's kind of like

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Speaker 1: their Kyle Hamilton in a way. And Blake Cashman is

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Speaker 1: healthier now too, in that like they can ask him

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Speaker 1: to do a lot of different stuff and he opens

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Speaker 1: up the playbook. Dallas Turner, their first round pick from

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Speaker 1: a year ago, went from playing about every step to

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Speaker 1: not playing just about at all, and they definitely look better.

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Speaker 1: I just love a game like this where they're playing

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Speaker 1: each other unfortunately, like at the perfect time for us

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Speaker 1: where they just both need this game so bad. They

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Speaker 1: both feel like they're ready to take off. And yet

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Speaker 1: the loser of this game, and these two teams won

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Speaker 1: what twenty six games last year combined, Like the loser

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Speaker 3: Is going to be in a world of her and

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Speaker 3: see that, like that playoff percent is just sink.

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Speaker 6: Well, when you start one in five, it's gonna be

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Speaker 6: a lot of game. It does happen, It's okay. A

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Speaker 6: couple of teams that have young quarterbacks. In our next matchup,

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Speaker 6: Greg Rosenthal, the New York Giants with Jackson Dark go

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Speaker 6: on the road to take on last year's number one

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Speaker 6: overall pick, Caleb Williams, whose Bears are four and a

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Speaker 6: half point favorites. The over under is forty seven and

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Speaker 6: a half. G Rex calling one of his old teams

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Speaker 6: Do the Bears ride that wave against another defense that

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Speaker 6: can be susceptible to the past game.

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Speaker 1: To every everything, especially to the running game, I would say,

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Speaker 1: and but really to everything, it's just a it's just

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Speaker 1: a bad defense. There was a sequence in last week's

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers Giants game which just told you everything.

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Speaker 1: They had a first down throw from Mac Jones to

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Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings. It's just a seven or ten point game

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Speaker 1: at the time, and the next eight plays they just

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Speaker 1: ran the ball until they scored a touch eight times

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Speaker 3: And that's like a bad running team.

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Speaker 1: The forty nine ers like in terms of per play success, right,

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Speaker 1: you know they have Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 3: The Bears are a whole nother matter.

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Speaker 1: They got Darnell right out there sending Shamar Stewart into

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Speaker 1: like the nether world.

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Speaker 2: That was a nasty rep. It was one of the

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Speaker 2: nastiest reps up not.

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Speaker 3: Nice I've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: Is cartwheel after a big run block. Darnell Wright did

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Speaker 3: Car after the game winning touchdown, that man moving.

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Speaker 1: I heard Chris Long, who's great, and he would know,

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and that's the athletics is a part

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Speaker 5: What a monong guy, right, calling him manong dude.

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Speaker 2: That's true. He's not just a guy. They found something.

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Speaker 5: Oh, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's everyone's like, oh, he's a tough runner.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're seeing some runs right here.

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Speaker 4: He's just like, Oh, the Bengals don't really want to

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Speaker 2: Of get him going.

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Speaker 5: Joe Flaco sneezed at him a little bit. Joe Flacco

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Speaker 5: And I think the Bears try to play him a

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Speaker 1: Lot of just dumb bops, and I think he's playing

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Speaker 1: pass rushes in the NFL. It's just kind of random,

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Speaker 3: That's going to keep them in the playoff race.

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Speaker 6: In those advantages right where you evaluate if you're looking

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Speaker 2: Than that number.

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Speaker 6: Where the Giants are thirty two on rushing efficiency. On

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Speaker 6: and the run is not necessarily prior, where you wonder

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Speaker 2: But you'd like to see some layups for the year.

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Speaker 2: There's just none there for him. He's got to make up.

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Speaker 4: One thing that Gregor you're talking about earlier about the

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would not feel comfortable downgrading that man

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Speaker 3: So hopefully Carl Banks has been doing that.

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Speaker 1: I think Giants fans that are close watchers people watching

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Speaker 3: It is definitely not at that level.

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Speaker 5: I think that this is once again a big running

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Speaker 5: it settles Caleb Williams into rhythm. It sets him up

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Speaker 2: Can I think you have Zach Robinson call the plays

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Speaker 1: Work and I want to We've got a pistol. We

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Speaker 3: They're starting to be like a little buzz around there that.

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Speaker 1: which to me is just doing it backwards again, hustling backwards.

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, the Giants have had such a great

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Speaker 2: And coaches lately. We'll see if this wouldn't surprise anybody.

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Speaker 1: If this actually happens. But I think you either start

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Speaker 6: And hopefully that not coming from inside the house.

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Speaker 2: With we like that, we like this mid season.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what the Giants do best, said White.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you know what though, and to that point, the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you guys know, because the Jets are looking at

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Speaker 6: The over under is forty eight and a half. In

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Speaker 2: Drake may incompany?

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Speaker 5: Well, I expect Mka Buka to be back like playing

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Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield play better football. He started the year so great,

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Speaker 5: really struggled the last two weeks. Baker Ball's got to

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, now she's just setting.

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Speaker 5: It up, baker Ball cape sun rolling, babe.

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Speaker 3: That is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I do love the Patriots schedule where like every four

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Speaker 3: Go back into hibernation.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's professional football.

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Speaker 3: No, it's it's it's a No, it's great.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they they crazy enters the conversation.

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Speaker 1: They played the Bills, and then they had Saints, Titans,

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Speaker 4: They're about a late by a week fourteen by Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I think it is really exciting.

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Speaker 1: It's like play a really good team challenge for this

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Speaker 4: You know, Todd Bowles has comeing with just the whole

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Speaker 4: Rubikshugh matrix of looks. I love this game, and I'm

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Speaker 4: glad you said that about the Patriots because to me,

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Speaker 4: how do they handle success?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: This is a tough game. They lose.

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Speaker 4: There's no shame in losing to the Buccaneers, who walk

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Speaker 2: Can they handle it? This is like.

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Speaker 4: Sustain until the bye? Right, They've got the late by

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Speaker 4: their rolling, They've got momentum, Drake Mace playing well. They start,

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Speaker 4: They ran the ball a little bit better last week.

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Speaker 4: You know their defense is steady. I mean there, it's

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Speaker 4: you lose this game. It's competitive. There's no shame in

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Speaker 4: losing to the Buccaneers in Tampa Bay. But after that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's in Tampa. They are a slight underdog.

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Speaker 1: I would have thought it would be more. Let's listen

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Speaker 1: Bucks and the Patriots disappointed a lot of fans out there.

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Speaker 7: Deals are like being pregnant. You either are or you aren't.

443
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Speaker 7: There's no like it's either a deal or it's not.

444
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Speaker 7: So I don't know how close you can be. I

445
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Speaker 7: know that everyone worked hard, that we investigated and looked

446
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Speaker 7: in and made phone calls and they what personnel departments do,

447
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Speaker 7: and in the end, you know, we decided that this

448
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Speaker 7: was what we were we're gonna do.

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Speaker 3: He's an expert father of two.

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Speaker 5: What a metaphor that was? Like?

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Speaker 2: That was like a total Harbors that was That was

452
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Speaker 2: a real good.

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Speaker 5: Point somehow, like made me feel less uncomfortable than if

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Speaker 5: Jim Harbaugh We're going to say it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you should go with something that's definitive,

456
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Speaker 6: like electrocution, right to the point where your heart stops,

457
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Speaker 6: or you're not you know, going with something.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so when I was pulling like the apple, you know,

459
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Speaker 1: plug out yesterday and being a little too loose with

460
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Speaker 1: it and got shocked, that does not get.

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Speaker 6: Not an electrical Yeah, if you were in water, maybe okay, yeah,

462
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Speaker 6: we we would need to not have Greg anymore to

463
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Speaker 6: meet that. And I don't I don't want to be

464
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Speaker 6: in that.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to be I don't want a world.

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Speaker 5: I don't want that world.

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Speaker 6: The binary nature of electrocution maybe not so much in

468
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Speaker 6: the other aspects that Mike Brabels is mentioning. But I

469
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Speaker 6: think the point that he makes there before anybody gets

470
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Speaker 6: all upset and itchy about the team contending and building

471
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Speaker 6: around Drek, may hey, we tried.

472
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Speaker 2: We're in here working.

473
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Speaker 6: We're not going to do something just for the sake

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Speaker 6: of doing it, which I think is a solid approach.

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Speaker 1: They're an interesting team because they're so thin and they

476
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Speaker 1: haven't been tested. They're one of the healthy They've been

477
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Speaker 1: one of the healthiest teams in the NFL this year

478
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Speaker 1: in terms of not missing players. They could be missing

479
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Speaker 1: a few guys this week Kaishawan, Boody Ramandri Stevenson, and

480
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Speaker 1: I believe one of their offensive linemen might all be

481
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Speaker 1: out and sneakily like Booty is is massive for their

482
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Speaker 1: Sorry yeah your face.

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Speaker 5: No, you guys, did you catch the subtle thing that

484
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Speaker 5: that Rabel did master at talking to the media and

485
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Speaker 5: sending a message in the media where this team has

486
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Speaker 5: very clearly been built at the bare minimum in collaboration

487
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Speaker 5: with Mike Rabel having such a huge say in it,

488
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Speaker 5: he started to distance himself from it. At the end

489
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Speaker 5: of his comments, he said, and they did whatever personal

490
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Speaker 5: department do. And I'm like, yeah, okay, buddy, Yeah, It's

491
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Speaker 5: like he's probably like I was gonna get it. I

492
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Speaker 5: feel like I could get But the thing that's interesting

493
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Speaker 5: about this matchup to me is how like I think

494
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Speaker 5: this is going to be a pass heavy game for

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Speaker 5: both offenses. These are two really, really good run defenses.

496
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Speaker 5: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers were limiting success rate on run

497
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Speaker 5: plays among the best in the league consistently over the

498
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Speaker 5: start to the season before thereby, and the Patriots have

499
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Speaker 5: not surrendered fifty yards to a single running back through

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Speaker 5: the entire start to the season so far, which is astounding,

501
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Speaker 5: especially considering even though they didn't necessarily play some great

502
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Speaker 5: teams so far, they did play teams with good running backs.

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Speaker 5: So I think that this is going to be a

504
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Speaker 5: real pass heavy game and maybe you'll get to see

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Speaker 5: your guy, Drake may put on a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Of a show if he can get protected.

507
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Speaker 5: It's your guy versus Mike.

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Speaker 1: I could I could see. I know who gets the

509
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Speaker 1: number one draft pick in games?

510
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Speaker 3: This week?

511
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Speaker 1: You get it, next week, you get it, next week.

512
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Speaker 1: I got this one. No, let's just listen to Baker Mayfield,

513
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Speaker 1: because he was at a podium and we like his

514
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Speaker 1: declarations on all things football.

515
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Speaker 2: She got to keep going.

516
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Speaker 7: At this point, it's real football starts, and we have

517
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Speaker 7: obviously a really, really good opponent coming out here.

518
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Speaker 1: Okay, so official football not starting in week one, not

519
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Speaker 1: starting after Thanksgivings, it's week ten all happening.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is where because you look at Tampa Bay,

521
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Speaker 4: they've got so much distance on the rest of the

522
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Speaker 4: NFC South. Now, let's where they start stacking bricks. Home

523
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Speaker 4: field for the NFC there.

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Speaker 1: Does something about the double digit of Week ten and

525
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Speaker 1: getting past the trade deadline, getting to November. You know,

526
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Speaker 1: it's it's a long season for everyone. It does feel

527
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Speaker 1: like a big moment. We're into the second half. Yep,

528
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Speaker 1: we've made some progress. I feel good about it, Baker.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. Let's take a quick break and

530
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Speaker 1: we'll come back and talk about one of those other

531
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Speaker 1: teams in the NFC South Big Game on NFL Network

532
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Speaker 1: this week. One of the many ways you can measure

533
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Speaker 1: Patrick Clayband's influence on the entire football media sphere is

534
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Speaker 1: that I always hear people on other podcasts when they

535
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Speaker 1: talk about momentum, they hear Patrick's voice in their head,

536
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Speaker 1: and then they call him out and try to answer

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Speaker 1: the voice in their head.

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Speaker 3: And that just happened to me recently too, when I.

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Speaker 1: Was talking about Week ten being a big moment, I

540
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Speaker 1: sort of heard of patrick asm in my head and

541
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Speaker 1: he gave it to me during the break, which is, well,

542
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Speaker 1: football's cumulative and each week matters. And that's true, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: all of them counting the standards.

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Speaker 2: OK.

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Speaker 1: But my argument would be, once you get later in

546
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Speaker 1: the season, you know, the games do matter more because

547
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Speaker 1: of everything that's happened before. It's like the Ravens Vikings

548
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Speaker 1: game matters more now than it would have in Week

549
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Speaker 1: two because they have lost their wiggle room based on

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Speaker 1: everything that's already happened.

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Speaker 3: And that's the beauty of the NFL season.

552
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Speaker 1: It's just it's a crescendo at the end, you know,

553
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Speaker 1: it's always rising action.

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Speaker 6: That's definitely. That's definitely how we feel that it matters more.

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Speaker 6: But had they not lost those games.

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Speaker 1: Then sure, but you can't go back. You can't change

557
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: it anymore. It's like they did it did happen that way.

558
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Speaker 1: So now it's like playoff percentages, you know. I think

559
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Speaker 1: that's a good way to look at it, Like your

560
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Speaker 1: chance to make the playoffs. It'll huge differences if you

561
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Speaker 1: win or lose a game, depending on the opponent.

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Speaker 3: At this time of year where it's where it's not

563
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Speaker 3: as much in it.

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Speaker 6: No, we feel like it we flipped the switch and

565
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Speaker 6: the light turns on and you're like, I did that,

566
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Speaker 6: But there was an entire chain of processes that started

567
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Speaker 6: with cold and minded then burned that led to But.

568
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Speaker 3: You can't change that and you can change what happens.

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Speaker 2: But look, I mean, okay, let's go. Let's go.

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Speaker 4: Conversely to that. No, No, let's go converse. Whatody Johnson.

571
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Speaker 4: This is not when real football started. This is when

572
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Speaker 4: it has.

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Speaker 3: Well that's look, there are teams that are just saying

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Speaker 3: bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Well, if I'm picking teams, yeah, we go back with Baker.

576
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Speaker 6: The Atlanta Falcons are taking on the Indianapolis Colt Steve

577
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Speaker 6: Weiss in Berdland for the first time ever.

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Speaker 2: And you know where you could see this game? Oh

579
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Speaker 2: NFL Network.

580
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Speaker 6: Whoa yes, shine and watch Sunday nine thirty am Eastern.

581
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Speaker 2: The game's also available on NFL Plus.

582
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Speaker 6: Subscription required for NFL Plus go to Plus dot NFL

583
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Speaker 6: dot com for details.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about it, Adam. I mean Kurt Warner are

585
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Speaker 2: going to be on the call.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

587
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Speaker 2: The over unders forty eight and a half.

588
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Speaker 6: The Colts are favored by six and a half, six

589
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Speaker 6: a familiar number because they turn the ball over six

590
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Speaker 6: times against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Steve, what do they do this time?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean did that? Was that to Daniel Jones? Did

594
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Speaker 2: did the carricter Pumpkin?

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Speaker 4: We'll see because you know, Atlanta's got some guys who

596
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Speaker 4: can get after him. My big thing is now that

597
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Speaker 4: the Colts have Sauce Gardner and Shaveri's Mooney Ward is

598
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Speaker 4: coming back.

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Speaker 1: Not this week, and we don't know that sas Gardner's playing,

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Speaker 1: but he he's in the concussion protocol but is practicing positive.

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Speaker 2: All right.

602
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Speaker 4: So Michael Pennix, they're the most frustrating team in the

603
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Speaker 4: NFL to watch because they run the same stuff over

604
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Speaker 4: and over. Outside the numbers, outside numbers, beyond screen, outside

605
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Speaker 4: the numbers, we're going to toss sweep outside the numbers.

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Speaker 2: I mean I put it out a tweet the other day.

607
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Speaker 4: If this were a basketball game, the shot chart would

608
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 4: look like all mid range and three point shots.

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Speaker 2: They don't play in the paint.

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Speaker 4: So it'll be if if Indianapolis can score on him,

611
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Speaker 4: that's the main thing. Atlanta's defense is going to give

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Speaker 4: him a little something. But the Falcons offense has just

613
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Speaker 4: become very predictable.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: Just we could say we want about Michael Pennick's having

616
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Speaker 4: a big arm. He throws it in one direction and

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Speaker 4: that's towards the sideline, whether it's on him, whether it's

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Speaker 4: on Zach Robinson. They do not attack the middle of

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Speaker 4: a defense. Not saying you can necessarily do that against

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Speaker 4: the Colts. But the six and a half number is

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Speaker 4: huge for me for the Colts. But if Atlanta loses

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Speaker 4: this one, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, the calls for a change, yeah, have been very

624
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Speaker 2: loud there.

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Speaker 4: Arthur Blank's not a mid season change guy, but Raheem

626
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Speaker 4: Morris might have to be in terms of changing his

627
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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, play caller. If this goes the same way

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Speaker 4: it's gone because it is the same act every game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's unfortunate because you see so much potential out

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Speaker 5: of the players that they have. Yes, I think you

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Speaker 5: can also and you have and we have this site

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Speaker 5: the offensive line injuries and obviously that's a problem, but

633
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Speaker 5: you are so spot on about he wants to be

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Speaker 5: a perimeter thrower and he's a dang good one as well.

635
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Speaker 5: But there needs to be balance in dimension within the offense.

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Speaker 5: And it's one of those things where I joke, I'm

637
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Speaker 5: not really joking, but I joke, I'm like, they're tarnishing

638
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Speaker 5: my beloved pistol formation for me because they don't want

639
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Speaker 5: to run pure under centered play action. They don't want

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Speaker 5: to even run like gun run play action. They don't

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Speaker 5: want to do those types of things. They still want

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Speaker 5: the benefit of play action which is why they stay

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Speaker 5: in the pistol and also because Bajon is really really

644
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Speaker 5: good at setting up the middle layer of a defense

645
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 5: like a quarterback wooden shotgun. He's doing that out of

646
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Speaker 5: the pistol formation. The problem is when you spam it

647
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Speaker 5: the level that they have, teams don't actually believe that

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Speaker 5: you're going to run directionally or throw or attack themddle

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Speaker 5: of the field like some of the actual play action

650
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Speaker 5: would help them do. Instead, what they know they're going

651
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Speaker 5: to do is either give the ball to Viajon to

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Speaker 5: try to set something up and crash hard wherever he's

653
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Speaker 5: going right wherever you see him start to move directionally,

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Speaker 5: or they're going to attack the perimeter in the passing game.

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Speaker 5: And I think that that is such a disappointment and

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Speaker 5: a huge problem, and I feel like there's they there's

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Speaker 5: too many dudes on this team, on this offense to

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Speaker 5: get away with that.

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Speaker 1: And Drake Lendon's coming off one of the best games

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Speaker 1: of his career. And you know, if we did a

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Speaker 1: winners and losers from the trade deadline, how about winners

662
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: in an NFL network, You get Sauce Gardner on Drake

663
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: London potentially for this matchup because yeah, no cornerback travels

664
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: with a number one receiver more than sauce Gardner.

665
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 5: Another reason you don't want to spam the perimeter. Sauce

666
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 5: Gardner's there now.

667
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: Right, and and like he that's the type of body

668
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: type I think he does best against. If anyone can

669
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: try to cover Drake London and you know Marcus Jones

670
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: is not that guy last week, certainly it would be

671
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardener. And so I'm really excited to see that

672
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: and see what lou has up his sleeve in this matchup.

673
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: Like on that side of the ball and on the others,

674
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: I just want a little more, like not to get

675
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: into the exit, and I just want a little more

676
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: flash out of Penix. There's not a lot of there's

677
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 1: not a lot of Wow He's there's not a lot

678
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: of big time throws, like frows, big time foes. I

679
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: just would like Michael Pennix have some big time foes,

680
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: just like give me something to be a little more

681
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: excited about. He's been very like if you just kind

682
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: of put Kirk cut, I know it looks different, but

683
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: like it's a very it's giving me like early Andy

684
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: Dalton or something. You know what I mean, Yeah, it

685
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: makes me feel something.

686
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 6: And we did, you know, we got that brief glimpse

687
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 6: of what Kirk Cousins looked like in this offense against

688
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 6: the Miami Dolphins, and anybody that had that thought, maybe

689
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 6: that thought has drifted further back in their minds where

690
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 6: you know, the lack of creativity goes across the board.

691
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 6: John Robinson's runs are going outside the tackle seventy six

692
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Speaker 6: percent of the time and seventy six.

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Speaker 5: All they that middle and wide zone. Again, Yeah, you.

694
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Speaker 6: Have to defend four places against the Atlanta Falcons and

695
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 6: you got it.

696
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: And we've seen it multiple times.

697
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Speaker 1: It's a great moment here for the Colts, who haven't

698
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: really been quite a national team, even though they're one

699
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: of the biggest stories of the year. How did they

700
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: respond They're in new situation. How do they respond to

701
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: their especially Daniel Jones that their worst performance of the week.

702
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: Their offensive line got housed last week. I really think

703
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: it was more about the offensive line than than Daniel

704
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: Jones even and so how do they respond in a

705
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: big spot in Berlin?

706
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Speaker 4: And this is this is one though watching the way

707
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: the Colts played, they hadn't played that way for almost

708
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 4: all the seasons. So I'm saying out was that the

709
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: stinker because they should be able to run the ball.

710
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: This week they find it, find where Kayden Nellis is

711
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: on the Falcons defense and go away from him.

712
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should be able to run the football.

713
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, Daniel Jones's offense gets going a

714
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 4: little bit against Falcons defense is good. I mean at

715
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: two levels on the front end and the back end.

716
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Speaker 4: Then Kate Nellis's you know, great inside linebacker. Otherwise they've

717
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: got struggles and so to go back to. But what

718
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: they do patrick they running, They go so wide that

719
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: they're adding a twelfth defender in the sideline.

720
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Speaker 2: It is.

721
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: It is like one of the most brutal things to

722
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: watch week after week because they make it so easy

723
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: for them.

724
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Speaker 1: I like, weisch always get a little more frustrated when

725
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: it comes to the Falcons.

726
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: Because because as I watch all their games.

727
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 5: And it's just like I'm there with you.

728
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: This is no mesh, no rub rots, like, no nothing

729
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: going on.

730
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Speaker 5: Speaking of the International Slate too, if any listeners want

731
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: the best belly laugh, they probably will get listening to

732
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 5: a show all year. When you are on the Ringer

733
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Speaker 5: Fantasy Football Show. That's the Big Time Froze with Craig

734
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 5: Horlback is an all time moment where I can never

735
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 5: think of it in a different way after you guys

736
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: talked about it all.

737
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the very serious analytical site Pro Football Focus,

738
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: you know, naming their you know, like hardcore analytics category

739
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Speaker 1: a big time foe.

740
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Speaker 3: You know, it's just like sounds like a six year.

741
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Speaker 5: Old kieh they were on here. It's incredible.

742
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Speaker 6: Yeah. And one note in huge coach speak, pick your

743
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 6: guy up. Shane Steichen in a conversation about Domson's performance

744
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 6: that he could have been more balanced in giving the

745
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 6: ball to Contan Taylor a little bit more so.

746
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: Pick up your guy, fair coach. Second, Wow, good opportunity there.

747
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 6: Let's go to our next game, which would be a

748
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 6: great matchup looking forward to.

749
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 2: But we do have an injury note.

750
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Speaker 6: Jacksonville a one and a half point favorite at the

751
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 6: Houston Texans because there.

752
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: Is no CJ.

753
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 6: Stroud for this one, ruled out with the concussion his

754
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 6: head bounced off the field last week.

755
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: Was ruled out for the remainder of the game. We'll

756
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Speaker 2: miss this one.

757
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Speaker 6: Iron Eagle and Justin James watt On the call on

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Speaker 6: our broadcast partner CBS, where we get a chance greg

759
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Speaker 6: to see these two teams in the division. They've had

760
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 6: knockdown dragouts throughout time. So maybe Davis Mills comes in

761
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Speaker 6: here and gives the Jags as scare as they trade

762
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Speaker 6: for Jacoby mart Yeah.

763
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Speaker 1: I think you know, they swept them last year. The

764
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: jag Wars won one of the ugliest games of the

765
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: season in Week three. It was that that was one

766
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: where it's just craziness back and forth, and eventually Jacksonville

767
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: got that win.

768
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Speaker 3: I would feel good about them if they had TG.

769
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: They just feel a little curse this year because they

770
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Speaker 1: finally were all together last week, Nico and Kirk and CJ,

771
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: and they look good early in that game.

772
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Speaker 3: I think they would have beat the Broncos.

773
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Speaker 1: In that game, you know they had they had the

774
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Speaker 1: lead and everything, and this would just be a sad

775
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: way for their season to feel not quite over, but

776
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: close to over. If they're three and six already with

777
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Speaker 1: these divisions.

778
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Speaker 2: I am not counting them out because of that defense.

779
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: I think they could win.

780
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 4: This quarterback they're facing bear Trevor Lawrence, will give them

781
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 4: an opportunity to make a defensive score.

782
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying negatively.

783
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Speaker 5: I mean no, it's right.

784
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Speaker 2: I mean the stroke, the smoke that they bring on defense.

785
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: He did last time against them.

786
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: You're right, correct, and you know so he knows them

787
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 4: and he's given up a few against them. So whether

788
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 4: it's to stripsack, whether to pick, I think this is

789
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 4: one where their defense can absolutely keep them in the

790
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: game if if they deny, jackson will run the football.

791
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 5: I'm interested to see. I don't know that this is

792
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 5: the week to like showcase whatever you're planning to do

793
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 5: to overhaul your passing game against one of the best

794
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 5: defenses in the NFL, But I am really interested to

795
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 5: see what Jacksonville looks like. I'm interested to especially post

796
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 5: trade with Jacoby Myers. I'm interested to see what his

797
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 5: role is and then how they continue to build off

798
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 5: of it in plan and preparation for the eventual return

799
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 5: of Travis Hunter. And you know, Jacksonville's defense has been

800
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 5: up and down. They really really miss Devin Lloyd. I

801
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 5: don't know that this offense minus c. J. Stroud gives

802
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 5: them a ton of trouble. So this might just be

803
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 5: Jacksonville's entire team versus the Texans defense.

804
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: Jaguars as have had a lot of important injuries. I

805
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: think they really miss Brenton Strange, their tight end, whoeverything

806
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: would go through. Trevon Walker just hasn't been the same

807
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: plane with that club on his hand.

808
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: He's limited and snaps.

809
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd was back at practice on Wednesday and they

810
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: did give it in the case, which is weird that

811
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: he would. Just Liam Cohen always being so honest that

812
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: the podium said Parker Washington is their slot and Jacoby

813
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: Myers will be on the outside because it's too much

814
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: to learn to win.

815
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Speaker 3: Happening.

816
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, starting happening.

817
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: That was your big brain thought though, was part of

818
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: your big brain thought that like Brian Thomas Junior is

819
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: going to be minimized.

820
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 5: I said that. I said, it's weird that it's not

821
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 5: working out, and they've they've kept trying it. But I

822
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 5: think part of the reason why you're training for Jacoby

823
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 5: Myers is not just because Travis Hunter's out, but also

824
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 5: because eventually you would like travor you want to see

825
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 5: what Jacoby Myers is going to look like on the

826
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 5: perimeter because you want your quote unquote Chris Godwin, Mike

827
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 5: Evans Combo. Now, I'm not one to one comping these guys, right,

828
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 5: but you want to run your offense through that type

829
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 5: of passing concept, and so you want I was theorizing

830
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 5: that Travis Hunter will play more in the slot when

831
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 5: he returns, and you funnel a lot of your passing

832
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 5: game through that hyper versatile player, and then you get

833
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 5: a really solid perimeter guy. Now, I think they're going

834
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 5: to be testing out. Is Jacoby Myers going to be

835
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 5: that perimeter guy. I think we'll see a bunch of

836
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 5: different combinations.

837
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: And the local reporters have already been putting out there

838
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: that the team doesn't see Jacoby Myers as necessarily a

839
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: rental that they're hoping I think to get him locked in.

840
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: He's a good young player.

841
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: I know he is.

842
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: He is mile young.

843
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: They also saw the thought that about Greg Newsom and

844
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: that might work out, but he's been getting picked on

845
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: week after.

846
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: Cleveland, which is why speaking of Travis Hunter, I think

847
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: he's gonna be one on the defensive side of the ball.

848
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: I think this is a switch because they see that

849
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: they are not things are not working a corner. When

850
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 4: you talk to people, they feel he's more of a

851
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: natural corner. He's more of a threat as receiver, but

852
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 4: more of a natural corner, which about when he comes back,

853
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 4: they may give him more defensive reps.

854
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: Because they've got more depth on the offensive side. Yeah,

855
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: it's it's the problem coming into the season. Travis Hunder

856
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: the cornerback is the best cornerback.

857
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: Cornerback, and they're also going to be without Jordan Lewis.

858
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like in this game there's just been and

859
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Jr. We should point out. I don't think

860
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: he's going to play in this game either, and and

861
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: neither is Diami Brown. We don't know that early in

862
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: the week, but they're out of practice early. Shout out

863
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: to Travis Atn, by the way, who's just like, yeah, winning,

864
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: running his face off and making himself a lot of

865
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: money and free agency.

866
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Speaker 6: Well that's that's who the offense goes through. The unquestioned

867
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 6: best player on the Jacks this season has been Travis Etn,

868
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 6: Like it's not even close. When they were struggling against

869
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 6: the Raiders, mind you like Etn single handedly it felt

870
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 6: like one and the night.

871
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: There was a fourth and two run he had where

872
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: he showed so much toughness to get that first down.

873
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, man, the rookie, early version of

874
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: Travis Etn is not getting that first down in a

875
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: game like that, Like that was seven points. They end

876
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: up scoring a touchdown on that drive and he's breaking tackles.

877
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: I'm just like this, This dude is running like a

878
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: man possessed.

879
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: It's an inate ability that's gotten better.

880
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 6: He was good at it early on in his career,

881
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 6: but Etn's ability to run at the outside of people

882
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 6: based on their positioning has I think given a chance

883
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 6: to extend his career. Like avoid those violent collisions because

884
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 6: you're never getting a square shot. Yeah, no, on Travis Etn.

885
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 6: And I know the number. The small number makes him

886
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 6: look like a slender guy. He's bigger than the number

887
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 6: would indicate. But also like nobody's ever just straight up

888
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 6: blasted and when they do, it looks bad because he's

889
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 6: trying to play angle.

890
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 5: It's what they used to say about Alvin Kamara too,

891
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: like years ago, that he was going to extend his

892
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: career because whenever he tried to hit him. First of all,

893
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 5: he's at a better angle than you, and these safeties

894
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 5: used to talk about how he would just collapse one

895
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 5: side of his body when you try to take him down.

896
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 5: So he just couldn't get a read on him, and

897
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 5: he had a better angle on you, and it did

898
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 5: extend his career and it worked on the same Yeah,

899
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 5: good Pollo.

900
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: Played ten or eleven years.

901
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 6: Well, hopefully Jacobe Myers will get Etn some help because

902
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 6: this is all Travis in this one. So let's go

903
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 6: to a game where some people would invoke the term trap.

904
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 6: The Buffalo Bills are nine and a half point favorites

905
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 6: against the Miami Dolphins, team that has won one and

906
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 6: lost one in their last two games.

907
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: The over under is fifty and a half.

908
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 6: Andrew Cattle on Charles Davis our good friend and best

909
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 6: person on the planet, and Jason mccordy on the call

910
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 6: on broadcast partner CBS Jordan, do the Miami Dolphins take

911
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 6: the bags off of the heads at hard Rock and

912
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 6: get a win against Buffalo in the Division?

913
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 5: No? I do think Buffalo looked so much better on

914
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 5: defense last week. And yes, they're still decimated by injuries.

915
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 5: They lost Michael Hoyt to an achilles tear. That's gonna

916
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 5: be you know. Right when they got him back, they

917
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 5: lost him again. Dean Walker's playing awesome. He's playing awesome.

918
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 5: If he can consistently build and put these games together

919
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 5: game over game over game, he is such a factor

920
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 5: in building up and getting that run defense into a

921
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 5: better spot. And Maxwell Harston changes so much about what

922
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 5: the Bills want to do on defense in terms of

923
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 5: mixing up their coverages and even allowing one player to

924
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 5: travel a little bit more, play a little bit more

925
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 5: man coverage as well. So that's a huge factor. I

926
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 5: just think, you know, Miami is dangerous because they're in

927
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 5: sort of efet mode, right, what do they have to lose?

928
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 5: They already made the switch fired Chris grid last week

929
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 5: or mutual parting as it was sort of put out

930
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 5: there as and then you know interim GM Champ Kelly

931
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 5: traded Jalen Phillips. Right, So now they're this different team

932
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 5: and they're sort of on the downhill slope now toward

933
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 5: the end of the season. But you have to see

934
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 5: them put up a fight. You have to see what

935
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel can really do to coach up a group

936
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 5: that their season is you know, is over and there

937
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 5: in transition.

938
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 4: Look, all players are proud, they don't want to go

939
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 4: out there and get embarrassed. But you said, you know

940
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: that the Dolphins are in fant mode. I think they've

941
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: been in FF mode already about three weeks on the

942
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: We're going to Cancun.

943
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 5: This is this is FT mode. Parentheses positive, Yeah, I'm

944
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 5: mode parentheses that.

945
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 4: Gona, I mean, look them, get rid of Chris Greer

946
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 4: is not going to mean anything to any of the players.

947
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 4: Now have the ones he paid, right, And so I

948
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: just think right now that Buffalo, this is more so

949
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: on Buffalo. Are they going to comment saying let's just

950
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 4: go ahead and wipe them off and and you know, let's.

951
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: Work on some things.

952
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: Let's work on throwing the ball a little bit down

953
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: the field, right, you know, they a lot of their solutions,

954
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: and they do look like a different team.

955
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: Are just like, hey, let's get the old guys back.

956
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 1: Jordan Poyer's playing all the time, Matt Malona's back, Gabe

957
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: Davis is on the practice squad.

958
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: Christian Benford though, how good a player?

959
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: He's really good.

960
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: And you said, how you know the Dolphins there one

961
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: and one in their last two, like it's a small

962
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: sample size, but since the buye the Bills defense, and

963
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't think this is a coincidence since Sean McDermott

964
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: started calling plays. I mean, I think that was he's

965
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: gone out of his way to try and make it

966
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: sound like he's not calling plays, and he's always crediting

967
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: his coordinator. It's almost like he's doing too much to

968
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: be like, no, it's all Bobby Babbage, It's all Bobby bad.

969
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: But he's the one calling plays. Fourth and EPA per

970
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: play in those two weeks against you know, the Panthers

971
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: and and the Chiefs, second versus the past and the

972
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: just the eyeball test, the pass rush is popping and

973
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: that's that's a great recipe.

974
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: In Miami, Joey Kosher looked incredible.

975
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: Other he's out of practice Wednesday, Fantasy owners, Yeah, go

976
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: go get yourself from Ray Davis. It sounds like James

977
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: Cook is like a fifty to fifty maybe to play

978
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: in this game, which is surprising.

979
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: What's going home? He's playing? You think? So back to Miami,

980
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: I mean for their long term hopes.

981
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 6: Hopefully he's selling out to beat the wah Dolphins.

982
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 5: This might be a good game to rest him. Honestly, Like,

983
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 5: I know, I get that, I know he'll want to play,

984
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 5: but uh and they need a little Ray Davis in

985
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 5: the mix. See what they can scheme up with that

986
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 5: guy too.

987
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: The biggest red flag for this Miami team all season

988
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: was Mike McDaniel basically openly admitting that they might bench

989
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: to at some point. I still can't. I can't leave that.

990
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: On Monday, pretty soon after, we got some reports from

991
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: our guy Ian rapport that were similar so that I

992
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: wonder what effect that has on everything in his quarterback.

993
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 5: What's your take, Steve.

994
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: It's not good.

995
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: It's not Look, I used to cover the Dolphins and

996
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 4: when things used to go south down there. Hey, man,

997
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 4: you know it's not the most It's not that. It's

998
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 4: a tough place to not be distracted as it is

999
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 4: when you're not totally locked in.

1000
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: I think I think it's Ben over.

1001
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: Dang.

1002
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's I said it on

1003
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: the show a couple of weeks. It's it's over, man,

1004
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: It's it's been over.

1005
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: On that note, let's take a little break.

1006
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: You should also check out Jordan wrote an article about

1007
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: some potential general manager candidates down there in Miami's athletic

1008
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: Good names on that list Jordan rod Rieg of the

1009
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: Athletic where we have used to have to save every show.

1010
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: Now she's part of NFL Daily too. We love the athletic,

1011
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: but we got her. The Carolina Panthers, a team that

1012
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: burrowed itself deep into the heart of Jordan Rod Reed,

1013
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: did something in the first nine that not many teams

1014
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: in NFL history have done it, I hope only a couple,

1015
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: which is have a winning record five to four despite

1016
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: being an underdog all nine weeks. That is an arcane stat,

1017
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: but it is amazing. So I want to congratulate the

1018
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers for pulling that off, and now for being

1019
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: good enough not just to be a favorite, but to

1020
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: be a heavy favorite.

1021
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't.

1022
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 6: We can't celebrate that stat, and in more perfect time

1023
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 6: than right now, because the Carolina Panthers are at home

1024
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 6: at BofA Stadium and taking on the New Orleans States.

1025
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: It's spank of America.

1026
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 6: I'd like to say botha New Orleans at Carolina five

1027
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 6: and a half point favorites thirty nine and a half.

1028
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 6: Chris Myers and Markschlaar on the call, Steve, we get

1029
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 6: another game of Tyler Shuck. What does the zero Everro's

1030
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 6: defense that it's like a quantum thing, or maybe the

1031
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 6: Bills were just that good.

1032
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: How do they look against the Saints?

1033
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: First off, I don't like the five point five in

1034
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 4: a divisional game like this. I mean, I like the

1035
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: way Caroline's playing. O'donald did not practice. Uh they're saying

1036
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 4: they're just checking a few things out, So whad quad

1037
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 4: he was?

1038
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 6: He was working it for most of the second half. Yeah, yeah,

1039
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 6: he kept like he kept coming out of the game

1040
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 6: within the very next playby back and popping one against

1041
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 6: the Packers.

1042
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I mean, I don't like the five

1043
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: and a half. I like Carolina to win.

1044
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 4: I like the Saints defense a little bit because not

1045
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 4: only do you are you starting a rookie for the

1046
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: second time, he got rid of his most dangerous deep threat,

1047
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: Rashiita Heat is now in Seattle, who I'm now super

1048
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 4: scared of if I'm anybody else in THEFC. So look,

1049
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 4: I think Carolina they're starting to feel themselves a little bit.

1050
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: Not not in a smug type of way, but they

1051
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: know now we're starting to see some success of Dave

1052
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: Canal's's message and that is a dangerous drug. When guys

1053
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 4: started getting intoxicated by that that's when they started getting

1054
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 4: that belief and they think they can win ball game.

1055
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: So I think it's a very positive thing. I think

1056
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: the game would be closer.

1057
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: I like Carolina though, especially when it's been so long

1058
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: since you've had that sort of I hope they have

1059
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: a good crowd there like they did for that Bills

1060
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: game and then it didn't go too well. But if

1061
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: you look at the rest of their schedule, these Saints

1062
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: games are big because you got to sweep them. They

1063
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: still have two Saints games to go, and the rest

1064
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: of their schedule has some challenging games. But if you

1065
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: can get those two Saints wins, like and you're just

1066
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: kind of putting that onto their record here, then you're

1067
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: up to seven wins. You just got to get three

1068
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: the rest of the way out of all those other games.

1069
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: And maybe you're you're in the dance and and you're

1070
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: you're celebrating, and there's every you're yeah, there's every reason

1071
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: to think they'll be able to do that against the

1072
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: just woeful Saints.

1073
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 5: Especially if Freako Dawdle is banged up a little bit

1074
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: or even not totally one hundred percent and still plays,

1075
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 5: which he could very well do. And they have Chewba

1076
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 5: a Hubbard who's been great for them, who they love,

1077
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 5: and I think handled that whole thing pretty well in

1078
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 5: terms of starting out with a two back, and you

1079
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 5: pay a little respect to a guy like Chewba Hubbard

1080
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 5: in doing that right, but then having the conversation with

1081
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 5: him and pulling him back to the number two spot.

1082
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 5: You're even if you're not at one hundred percent Rico Dowdell,

1083
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 5: you are still going to have some steadiness there some

1084
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: but a guy who's really solid contributor for you contract exactly.

1085
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 5: And I think that this to me screams I want

1086
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 5: to see Bryce Young go out and own a team. Honestly.

1087
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 5: I want to see him go out and do that

1088
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 5: because the type of defense and the coverages that the

1089
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 5: Saints played, and they're they're in you know, they're in

1090
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 5: this zone look and it can get a little cloudy

1091
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 5: and all of that, and Bryce Young has this year

1092
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 5: has not played well against those types of zone looks.

1093
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 5: He actually is the third lowest passer rating against this

1094
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: type of zone coverage that they play. So I really

1095
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: want to see Bryce Young and his cast of receivers

1096
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 5: and all of these guys who are building confidence with

1097
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 5: each other, go out and actually dominate a team, not

1098
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 5: just have that fun excitement adrenaline rush of play spoiler,

1099
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 5: which they have done so well this season. And I

1100
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 5: think that's the juice that kind of gets under your

1101
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 5: skin a little bit in a good way. I want

1102
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 5: them to take that next step forward and really say, no,

1103
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 5: we're going to come out and dominate you, and.

1104
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: This is the team to do it again.

1105
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 6: Yes, versus where Because I know if you look at

1106
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 6: eleven of twenty for Bryce against the Green Bay Packers,

1107
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 6: and if you're just exclusively living in the stat sheet,

1108
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 6: you would think, oh, that's it, didn't really do to

1109
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 6: But I think that game is harder where you get

1110
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 6: that few attempts like the vast majority coming on third

1111
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 6: down and gotta have it situations like three of those

1112
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 6: passes thrown on the final drive where you have to

1113
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 6: get in the field goal range and you're working against

1114
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 6: the clock and trying to manage that, trying not to

1115
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 6: leave Jordan Love and the Packers too much time. Like

1116
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 6: there's so many things that go on in that situation

1117
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 6: versus here against the Saints where you're not having to worry.

1118
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't about.

1119
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 6: Keeping the Saints offense off the field, and you can

1120
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 6: get le get involved in situations where that was the

1121
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 6: interception that came. In fact, as Jordan pointed out, like

1122
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 6: when Bryce turns the ball over, three of US six

1123
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 6: have been against cover three here in twenty twenty five. Like,

1124
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 6: so the Saints run a lot of it. So time

1125
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 6: to work on everything, and this is the place to work.

1126
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: On him against Saints are extremely limited offensively. You know

1127
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: they trade Trevor Penning too, on top of Rashid ja heat.

1128
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Penning is great, but he was starting, he

1129
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: was starting at guard.

1130
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: You sure.

1131
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: I actually was.

1132
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: Real quick off there. Ryan Balding built in Baldy secrets who.

1133
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 4: On film as wat's Trevor Penning, who feels that you

1134
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: want to give him a draft pick.

1135
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: I was surprised that that wasn't like a swap. Yeah,

1136
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: they gave up a seventh. Jim Harbaugh says, by the way,

1137
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: we'll get to the Chargers, but he's gonna play tackle there,

1138
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: not guard. That he looked better at guard.

1139
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: Could well they I mean they don't have any tackle.

1140
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: They don't have any tackles. I watched the Saints finally

1141
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: this morning. I thought Tyler Shuck played pretty well. I

1142
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: when I'm saying, like Michael Pennix, give me something, I

1143
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: just mean like three or four plays a game where

1144
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, Tyler Shuck had about four or five

1145
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: throws in that game. I was like, okay, there's something there.

1146
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: And it was such a limited, weird game where their

1147
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: defense just got absolutely destroyed. And he was throwing short

1148
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: of the sticks a couple of times, probably like he

1149
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: was being told to do on third and long. But

1150
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: it's a lot of like run run, throw a slant

1151
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: on third and seven. But once he got to throw

1152
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: a few passes, it looked okay, And I think it's

1153
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: got to look okay because to me, this is a

1154
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: big week for the Saints after getting blown out a

1155
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: couple of times. At some point we can point out

1156
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: that Kellen Moore is giving us on Sundays and on

1157
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: the field about what he's given us in press conferences,

1158
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: which is a whole lot of nothing, like, well was

1159
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: he supposed to do?

1160
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 3: I'd see that's the thing. Everyone's gonna say that.

1161
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: But if you're a good coach, show me something, it's ready,

1162
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:40,959
Speaker 1: it's right.

1163
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: He just seems very.

1164
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 5: The same uninspiring podcast has been on this beat for

1165
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 5: a few weeks now because watching him closely on the

1166
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 5: sideline and there's just not a lot of emotion or what.

1167
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 3: What are you trying to do? What? Just show me something,

1168
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 3: Just show me what.

1169
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 5: You don't need to moral table, You don't have to

1170
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 5: go full bable, right.

1171
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about yelling. I'm talking about out like

1172
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: what are you trying to accomplish?

1173
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: What?

1174
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: Or what are we doing here? That's all I don't know.

1175
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: Have some sort of stamp the Twins.

1176
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: Not on purpose, seems like with who Yeah, but not

1177
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: on purpose.

1178
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis is trying to keep his job and I

1179
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: don't think like they can move forward as an organization

1180
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: as long as he has it. No ways, that's what

1181
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: everyone keeps saying. They would not have made a higher

1182
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: like this with a roster like this. They they cleaned

1183
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: out nobody after Derek carr Announce's retirement. They could have

1184
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: cleaned the deck and they didn't, So they.

1185
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 4: Knew the season had a very high probability of going

1186
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: this way.

1187
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 2: They still it was ten before.

1188
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 3: That was Mickey.

1189
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: Uh, look, they could have traded even even more guys.

1190
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: They're not even they didn't. I don't think they were

1191
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: trying to tank. It just is finally working out that

1192
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: way for them. And Kellen Moore might be who is

1193
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: that coach in the Sixers who just had to sit

1194
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: through the process, Brett Brown, I believe it was. He

1195
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: might be like the Brett Brown of the Saints because

1196
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna be gone by the time they have a

1197
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: good team.

1198
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: Again, which is why we should have Bollius a draft. Anyway,

1199
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: let's go to our next game.

1200
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Cleveland Browns are two and a half point

1201
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 6: favorites at the team that traded everybody, the New York.

1202
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 2: Jets over under is thirty seven and a half.

1203
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 6: The game on CBS Bureau Duties and Adam Archiletta they're

1204
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 6: on the call.

1205
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: We get Dylan Gabriel taking on a Jets.

1206
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 6: Defense that is losing some big names because they're gonna

1207
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 6: be playing elsewhere.

1208
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: Greg, how do you see it going?

1209
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I like the Jets coming off a high of not

1210
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: only winning the game, which I really must feel like

1211
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: help they're building, yeah quite a bit, but weirdly high

1212
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: of the trade deadline. I think this these trades and

1213
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: this isn't for the team on the field necessarily, but

1214
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: I think it's for the fans. It actually it's gonna

1215
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: give everyone some hope. And I don't think that's like

1216
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: that's worth something. I actually think the fans are gonna

1217
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: look at what happened on Tuesday Monday and with good

1218
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: reason feel like, Okay, at least you know what you're doing.

1219
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: You have these picks over the next two years.

1220
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: Your first two picks this year look pretty good, and

1221
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: so that's the picks you really got to hit on.

1222
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 3: You have two good tackles, you have a number one receiver.

1223
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: You have a couple young defensive players who are still

1224
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: there that are good players. Jermaine Johnson didn't get traded.

1225
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: There was a report that the forty nine ers wanted him,

1226
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't give up a second for him, and

1227
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, they Jets had their price. They

1228
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: weren't just going to give away good players for the

1229
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: sake of it. And I think they made a decision

1230
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: on Sas Gardner that he wasn't quite that dude. I

1231
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: think if Aaron Glenn really believe like this is the

1232
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: guy to build around, like, they wouldn't have traded him.

1233
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: But for the right price. They were going to trade him,

1234
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 1: and they got the right price. Ever, I think they Yeah,

1235
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: they did get a great price on both the guys.

1236
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 3: So I like that they have a direction.

1237
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 5: I think that Jermaine Johnson coming out and being so

1238
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 5: emphatic about wanting to stay a Jet and wanting to

1239
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 5: be a Jet, which he made some comments because it

1240
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 5: was very out there that he was on like he

1241
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 5: was someone teams were calling about, particularly the forty nine ers.

1242
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 5: That also gives them something because remember last off season

1243
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 5: when Quentin Williams and I hope that he has like

1244
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 5: I hope he thrives in Dallas. We talked about this

1245
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 5: earlier this week. Love that move for both sides. But

1246
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 5: Quentin Williams was like, Okay, here we go another rebuild.

1247
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 5: You're not gonna put that guy through yet another rebuild,

1248
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 5: which they're clearly going to be doing with all those

1249
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 5: draft picks after this season, right, and you're keeping a

1250
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 5: guy like who's vocal about wanting to be there. And

1251
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 5: I think all of these in combination gives them a

1252
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 5: little bit bit of juice. This is a Every game

1253
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 5: is a dangerous game for the Cleveland Browns, but this

1254
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 5: is a dangerous game just an off energy alone. This

1255
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 5: is a team that's ascending towards something, that has a

1256
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 5: plan that clearly is showing that they have a vision

1257
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 5: versus a team that has been in pure chaos for

1258
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 5: years and still is.

1259
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: The Jets were favored in this game before the trades

1260
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 1: and then it flipped around, which is weird to Glenn

1261
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: do a little magic like Dan Campbell did this first season,

1262
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: just be respectable and competitive.

1263
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 4: The fact that Flip tells me that they think that

1264
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 4: John Chuckets gonna do something in the run game. So

1265
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 4: that's that's all I can see. Because I'm with you.

1266
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 4: I think the Jets it's probably a pretty feel good

1267
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 4: the players are like where everyone thinks we're gonna suck,

1268
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 4: it's gonna be horrible.

1269
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: Let's go out there.

1270
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody believed in us.

1271
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 4: I mean I I just think. I mean, like you're saying,

1272
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 4: Jermaine Johnson wanted to day. You know, where did Aaron

1273
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 4: Glenn come from? From Detroit where nobody wanted to be.

1274
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 4: Then they found guys who wanted to stay and that's

1275
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 4: how they go. So I think they have different leadership

1276
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 4: from the top of Detroit, which which is very important

1277
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 4: to the way that their success is gone. But we

1278
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: get it now when Woody Johnson said, hey, our quarterback stinks,

1279
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 4: but I'm not worried about Aaron Glenn. He knew exactly

1280
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 4: what they were doing, what they're getting ready to do.

1281
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 6: And I think all those things in terms of the

1282
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 6: field and and the place where you go with how field,

1283
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 6: but you summon you know Tom Barringer as Jake Taylor,

1284
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 6: you know that Cleveland at that time, it's still rocking

1285
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 6: the slur name where it's like, Okay, there's only one

1286
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 6: thing left to do, win the whole thing.

1287
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: But you know the super Bowl is not necessarily in

1288
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: the question.

1289
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 5: One game. Yeah, let's just try to put a home game.

1290
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: One home game.

1291
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 6: Got all the things, got disrespect from the top, You

1292
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 6: got people doubting you, like, go out there and beat

1293
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 6: a team that's that's been weird on offense.

1294
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: Like, let's be honest, the Cleveland Brown has been weird

1295
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: on offense.

1296
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 6: For a while since they fraudulently decided to not start

1297
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 6: Jacobe Prissent.

1298
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: That's that's where it all went. And you get that

1299
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: guy in.

1300
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 5: As opposed to.

1301
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 6: And so like yeah, and Joe Flack, if this if

1302
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 6: there's a place for the Jets to to win again

1303
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 6: and feel good.

1304
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: It feels like it's there at MetLife on Sunday.

1305
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: And they've got Breisee Hall still and Wis, They've got

1306
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson and tight end on tight end.

1307
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: You know, Aaron Glenn did not has not.

1308
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: The thing I want to see a little bit is

1309
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: can coach defense a little bit? Because those defenses in

1310
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: Detroit they were pretty rough early and they got better,

1311
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: and this Jets defense has been rough. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: listen to Aaron Glenn talking about Brisall, how he didn't move.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 8: I think I've said this mania times over and over

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Speaker 8: that Brice is not a guy I want to get

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Speaker 8: rid of. I mean, he's a damn.

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Speaker 2: Good player.

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Speaker 8: And any of those those whatever you say came out.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what you're talking about. Don't think I

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Speaker 8: know is. I've said that over and over again, So

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Speaker 8: I don't think there's anything new to you guys.

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Speaker 1: The franchise tag, unfortunately for bris Hall, is a good bargain.

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Speaker 1: Actually for NFL teams, just kick it down the road.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't surprise if he was there. And this game may

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Speaker 1: not feel like it matters much in the standings. But

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Speaker 1: if you're into tankathon, this game is pretty big in

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Speaker 1: terms of angling. And these are the two of the

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Speaker 1: teams that each have extra first round picks, so they're

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Speaker 1: both going to be very active in this draft, and

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Speaker 1: so it's all for positioning.

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Speaker 3: And that's why.

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Speaker 2: That's why abolished.

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Speaker 6: We should have bollished the draft because we have multiple

1334
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Speaker 6: fan bases cheering for their teams.

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Speaker 3: They're not. I think.

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Speaker 1: I think the fans are all rooting for them to win.

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Speaker 1: It's been so miserable. They want they want to win.

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Speaker 5: You guys want to hear crazy stead I just pulled

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Speaker 5: from next Gen just to lighten the mood. You won't

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Speaker 5: really lighten the mood, okay. Miles Garrett has a sixteen

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Speaker 5: point two percent pressure rate this season, okay, which is

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Speaker 5: fifteenth highest in the NFL. So good, not great for him.

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Speaker 5: It's his third lowest since at least twenty eighteen, So

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Speaker 5: even if he's playing like a top fifteen pass rusher,

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Speaker 5: it's his own personal third worst, which just shows you

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Speaker 5: how good he is and how good he can be.

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Speaker 5: And oh my god, once again, I hate this for.

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Speaker 3: Him, and he's just racking up sacks. I think, Yeah, and.

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Speaker 5: He's converting on thirty percent of his pressure in their sacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's you're saying. It's not like they're playing with

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Speaker 2: the lead and the other team's throwing the ball for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, which makes this even more would say, why he's.

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Speaker 6: So good, he's had to do it year after But

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00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 6: guy's Internet guys says, Hey, the team that you play

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Speaker 6: for and loses and and you can't be upset about

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01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 6: it because they're paying you, so stop caring.

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Speaker 5: Miles Garrett always listen to the Internet.

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Speaker 3: Coming coming off of bye.

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Speaker 1: I like it when both teams coming off of by

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Speaker 1: so big big game, Jets, Browns. What a way to

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Speaker 1: finish our early games. You know, stay right here, and

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Speaker 1: by here, I mean this podcast feed. Look if you're

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Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, actually there's no stop at all. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the late games. Ooh, we got some bangers

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Speaker 1: in the afternoon in prime time.