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Speaker 1: When you think of hip hop, you think of hip
Speaker 1: hop royalty. You think of a guy who had a
Speaker 1: record label back then, who had so many artists who broke,
Speaker 1: so many artists, who who stood the test of times.
Speaker 1: I heard through the grape vine that he might have
Speaker 1: been the first one to sample who don't get We're
Speaker 1: gonna get to that. I heard through the grape find
Speaker 1: that he was the guy who discovered rock Kim. I
Speaker 1: heard through the grape vine that this guy, this guy
Speaker 1: has been countless. When you think of like the first
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Speaker 1: has to be up there with it. Like where you
Speaker 1: see a black person together a company, the first time
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Speaker 1: about motherfucker legendary Molly. So let me let me let
Speaker 1: me just take it from the beginning. You don't want
Speaker 1: rod um, Let's take it from the beginning of how
Speaker 1: did you? How did you? How did you even like,
Speaker 1: you know, come of course music fell in love? Basically
Speaker 1: I was, you know, a DJ out there playing in
Speaker 1: Queen's Bridge in the park. You know, we used to
Speaker 1: do jams in the park and you know I was
Speaker 1: dude in Queensbridge, coming out every weekend. So at that point,
Speaker 1: one day I had the musician Cats coming. You know,
Speaker 1: it was down one side. It was like around the
Speaker 1: time when hip hop was just bubbling. So what really happened.
Speaker 1: It was like I had the band plug into my system,
Speaker 1: my boy Andre, and then the next day that the
Speaker 1: musician started coming to my house. So I was ready
Speaker 1: to DJ. Now I got the musician cats from the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: liked everybody's that started coming into my house because I
Speaker 1: had a big system, and and that's how I kind
Speaker 1: of caught the bug to become more than just the DJ.
Speaker 1: Because I was already at DJ. I went to be
Speaker 1: that special DJ that had special powers. And when I
Speaker 1: say special powers, is it means like special mixes, that
Speaker 1: nobody got something special. And that's you know, that's when
Speaker 1: I first caught the bug. So let me cause I
Speaker 1: mean because um on Shan's record, he says, hip hop
Speaker 1: started out in the park. He said, hip hop it
Speaker 1: was set out in the dog it out on the door.
Speaker 1: Before you said that, I said, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: a story about where we come from. So let's make
Speaker 1: that clear. So this is like, this was our neighborhood
Speaker 1: story that that it was a tape floating around the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And that's how the bridge got started from you know,
Speaker 1: it was like a neighborhood tape. And you know, you know,
Speaker 1: nobody was trying to say, yo, hip hop started, and
Speaker 1: that from that record all we started hip hop. We said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell you something about where we come from.
Speaker 1: But who who are you guys looking up to at
Speaker 1: that point in hip hop. Um, well, the only person
Speaker 1: people was looking up to was probably cast from the
Speaker 1: hood that we was able to see because you know,
Speaker 1: nobody outside of the hood, not really, because you know,
Speaker 1: I was really young, and so I was. I was
Speaker 1: too young to go to see Bambardo when he came
Speaker 1: to Queen's Bridge. So there was you know, that was
Speaker 1: the other generation before me. But if you understand what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, so um I was, you know, I
Speaker 1: was looking up to the cats in the neighbor, like
Speaker 1: Dr Bob Lee, you know, like um, Jappie Jack, who's
Speaker 1: on the record, you know what I mean. Gas My
Speaker 1: brother Larry Lad was the DJ and the man, the
Speaker 1: mastermind that put it all together, the electronical wizard. His
Speaker 1: name was t Tom. Wasn't that the first record that
Speaker 1: came from Queensbridge or not? Not? Not other records? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what's funny about how hip hop sits with Queensbridge.
Speaker 1: Before hip hop, there was like a whole disco era
Speaker 1: out and there was a cast from Queensbridge, like the
Speaker 1: Andre Booths, the Daryl Paynes, the Michael Bailey's. They had
Speaker 1: records on the radio already Now, those was the Cats
Speaker 1: that I was looking at. Maybe that's why I became
Speaker 1: a producer, because I'm looking at these cats walking around
Speaker 1: in the hood and they got records on the radio.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Daryl Payne roll most of
Speaker 1: all of every disco era song out thanks to you
Speaker 1: and and stuff like that. Um, you know Andre Booth,
Speaker 1: he had this beat his mind back in the day.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm walking around as a little kid
Speaker 1: in Queensbridge. These cats got records on the radio already,
Speaker 1: so I had I had like a a bo to
Speaker 1: catch up to, if you know what I mean. Because
Speaker 1: all the band Cats was already famous, it had records out.
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, all right, that's real good.
Speaker 1: So what what what was your first record? You even
Speaker 1: saying was successful? My first successful record, I would probably say,
Speaker 1: Mom said, that's a huge record. That is a huge
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say, because with me, I've
Speaker 1: been on both sides, and I've been in the beginning
Speaker 1: of hip hop. We made, you know, we made a
Speaker 1: lot of attempts to do things that that that's neighborhood favorites,
Speaker 1: but it ain't generating publishing. What I'm saying so um,
Speaker 1: I would say that was, you know, like a big
Speaker 1: record for me, that Around Away Girl, that transcend. I
Speaker 1: believe when I got to that point, Around the Girl,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, kid came out of me. I'm sorry. Queens right,
Speaker 1: there's Queen Okay. But I say all that to say that,
Speaker 1: you know, for me to even to rise up to
Speaker 1: be able to make that record, it was all into
Speaker 1: making I look at my whole earlier career was getting
Speaker 1: me ready for something kind of big. I was just
Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of sparring. I'm doing records,
Speaker 1: we're making history, we're changing how people produce. But well,
Speaker 1: you know, I just look at it for me, sparring
Speaker 1: to get to something that you know, I needed to
Speaker 1: get to to make an album like that with l
Speaker 1: L you know, every track, if you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: To make an album like that and to make it
Speaker 1: successful and to be what it is and the sit
Speaker 1: in people's minds and psychees like that, I had to
Speaker 1: get ready for that. So every record I made up
Speaker 1: to that point led up to that. Now in the
Speaker 1: Chant movie, right you was actually producing in Queensbreak, So
Speaker 1: that's what it was producing in Queen's where she walked by,
Speaker 1: and you was was it was? It was, it was close,
Speaker 1: it was, it was very close. Um, I didn't my
Speaker 1: window and faced that way. But it was kind of
Speaker 1: like that because I already knew she was like a
Speaker 1: freestyle king and Queens was like her Shan Cat in
Speaker 1: infinite And you know if a bunch of them used
Speaker 1: to be just on the block freestyle and going that
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, and then he used to always
Speaker 1: have a crowd. Sometimes we walked through like, damn, this
Speaker 1: little chick is killing these cats out here, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you know, one day I told,
Speaker 1: you know, I had that that rock sand beat, and
Speaker 1: you know, she had an idea to do something and
Speaker 1: I've seen it that day. I was like, yo, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. She's like, yeh, I'm gonna put my clothes
Speaker 1: in it, in the in the spend cycle else and
Speaker 1: all that was real talk. She ran down the laundry
Speaker 1: through it and the thing ran upstairs, did one take
Speaker 1: and broke out, keep the work out of here. One take.
Speaker 1: That was one take, and she did it. And now
Speaker 1: that she she wasn't even taking it seriously didn't even know.
Speaker 1: We didn't know. We didn't know because because she hadn't
Speaker 1: done records yet to that point, I really really didn't
Speaker 1: because most of my early joints was not supposed to
Speaker 1: be records. Like I said, I want to be that
Speaker 1: magical DJ with something special. So you know, my first
Speaker 1: recording that I was working with before was um Sucker DJs.
Speaker 1: I only did that because Sucker m season. I wanted
Speaker 1: a special version that only I had play something special
Speaker 1: with the chick talking about the Sucker DJs you know what,
Speaker 1: and pumping me up. So I was like a dub plate.
Speaker 1: You know, most of my earliest songs wasn't ever supposed
Speaker 1: to be songs. They was supposed to be something special
Speaker 1: for me, but the public grabbed onto it. Now, is
Speaker 1: it true you just like discovered rock Kim. Um, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I discovered rock Kim. Rock Kim came to
Speaker 1: the crib with Eric B. Queensbridge. I was living on
Speaker 1: twelve Street, you know, in that same apartment where we
Speaker 1: did the Shante record. And I'm from Vernon side of Vernon,
Speaker 1: but my sister had an apartment you know how Queensbridge is,
Speaker 1: and she gave me the apartment. It was like the
Speaker 1: rent was like a hundred a hundred n out a
Speaker 1: hundred ten dollars a month, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I just like used to pay that for the
Speaker 1: year and just you know, running for crib and you know,
Speaker 1: have free electric City and yeah, and just you know,
Speaker 1: just go in and just make joints. That was her
Speaker 1: apartment and rock Kim came. Rock Kim came. No one
Speaker 1: he knew who rock Him was. Now and now I
Speaker 1: check this out now. At first, I believe Freddie Fox
Speaker 1: was supposed to show up, bumpy knuckles, bumpy knuckles, and
Speaker 1: he didn't show up. So we're looking at like, yo, Eric,
Speaker 1: where's your man. He's like, no, I don't worry. I
Speaker 1: got somebody coming to the mall. Blah blah blah and bang.
Speaker 1: Then Rock Kim came. Now you got to think about it.
Speaker 1: Now Rock Kim comes, and you know, Rock Kim wanted
Speaker 1: to go slower. He went to Rome slow because you
Speaker 1: got to think about it. Before he got to my house,
Speaker 1: I was already like dabbling a little with Kane, dabbling
Speaker 1: a little with g Rat So we were they wasn't
Speaker 1: making what music and it wasn't signed to you at
Speaker 1: that time. Kane and came after they got with the label.
Speaker 1: But Kane was always business writer, so he was always
Speaker 1: lurking around. He was always hanging around, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what the easy he could make
Speaker 1: sure if you get back to this point, you know,
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is Bismarck is probably the only person
Speaker 1: who was probably a front that he had a ghostwriter
Speaker 1: him an easy eat and no one cared, right right,
Speaker 1: So from the beginning, Kane was writing bis rhymes. That's
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I think bis row was earlier stuff,
Speaker 1: but the stuff that really makes sense. But you can
Speaker 1: obviously tell even picking bookers, I didn't even think Kane
Speaker 1: had like a personality like that, Like I don't think
Speaker 1: he can't talking about it, talking about that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Caine was came was, Kane was dope. You know. You
Speaker 1: know we're gonna get into Cane in a minute, because
Speaker 1: you asked me about Kane. He's definitely the one that
Speaker 1: changed rap and and getting something crazy and it made
Speaker 1: me better. They stay on rock him here, right because
Speaker 1: so rock Him comes now. Isn't true that um every
Speaker 1: be for president was actually the tragedies record. That was
Speaker 1: actually a record called Stunt of the Block, but it
Speaker 1: didn't have that baseline was the same drums. So what
Speaker 1: I did, when you know, he had the idea to
Speaker 1: use that I had, I was like, oh, made me
Speaker 1: strip the track of Stunt of the Block and just
Speaker 1: keep the drums and let's add and I played that
Speaker 1: over and that became erb As President. Okay, so that's
Speaker 1: all that comes to the crib. Yeah, Franky Fox was
Speaker 1: supposed to be there, but yeah, we called something that day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we made My Melody first in Queen's My Melody way
Speaker 1: in the living room in Queensbridge. Old Eric as President
Speaker 1: was made in a living room in Queensbridge. Made her
Speaker 1: you got a credit on the you gotta buy that
Speaker 1: apartment and just make a studio of my dude. That's
Speaker 1: great ship. I would have never thought. I would have
Speaker 1: thought that was the one only record, like you and
Speaker 1: Chante like. So there was other people coming to that
Speaker 1: house and it was the house on twelve Street, just
Speaker 1: the house on Street forty first for the first set.
Speaker 1: That's fucking markets I'm trying to say now I'm having
Speaker 1: lived in the next building. Compson was made across was
Speaker 1: across cross. Hold on, hold up now, I'm sucked up. Now.
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't even know my own childhood
Speaker 1: right now, I'm so oh my god, it's Colone building
Speaker 1: right here. Did you say in the building right before
Speaker 1: having building? Right having room his head? I was the
Speaker 1: building around that corner building straight across. Wow, and um
Speaker 1: Jesus happening them was it was like kids were happening
Speaker 1: his Actually his uncle used to be blasting the music
Speaker 1: out there when it doesn't even having yet, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I used to battle. I'm playing
Speaker 1: beats out there window. He's playing music, so I would
Speaker 1: play last some time he would play. You know, so
Speaker 1: what made you? What made you say? You know, let
Speaker 1: me get out of the bridge, like because such as
Speaker 1: these great things has happening still the projects. I got
Speaker 1: a little too famous because people started like showing the
Speaker 1: showing up, hanging out and you know, and and girls
Speaker 1: was coming out there getting this treat and trying to
Speaker 1: meet me. Was like, let me get out of here.
Speaker 1: Somebody you want hell yeah, But you know, I had
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to get up because you know,
Speaker 1: started getting a little a little a little crazy with
Speaker 1: me living out there. People used to be waiting in
Speaker 1: front of the building for me to come home. It
Speaker 1: was the very moment where you was like, this is it, Um,
Speaker 1: that's a little man. I must sucking molly mall nigger.
Speaker 1: What was that one moment when he was like when
Speaker 1: he was like the moment came some some girl came
Speaker 1: to Queensbridge. She must have really wasn't you know? She
Speaker 1: wanted to meet me. She was like intrigued by me,
Speaker 1: and you got the flat top of the time. I
Speaker 1: just started making not you know, I never bought rings
Speaker 1: and changing. Okay, okay, okay, I like cool had cars
Speaker 1: and houses, Okay, okay, but um, a girl got really
Speaker 1: like they really they disrespected this chick because she's trying
Speaker 1: to meet me. She just came out there to meet me, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: we could take you to but first you gotta do this.
Speaker 1: Oh you gotta do this, you gotta do this. And
Speaker 1: I started adding the story. I was like, yeo, I
Speaker 1: gotta get out of it, because you know that could happen.
Speaker 1: I could get blame. You know what I'm saying. She
Speaker 1: came out there to meet me, and you know they
Speaker 1: just did whatever, you know, let stiff her back then, stady.
Speaker 1: So they just did whatever. And I heard I heard
Speaker 1: about the story, and I was like, you know, I wanna,
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta move right now because somebody could
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Speaker 1: you always know Queen's Bridge was a special place? Because
Speaker 1: everybody likes to think your hood is like like you know,
Speaker 1: you like you like to think your hood is the
Speaker 1: best hood in the world. The reality of it, everyone
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Speaker 1: You actually was really knowing that Queen's Bridge is one
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Speaker 1: that there's something special because Queensbridge is set right across
Speaker 1: from Manhattan. Damn, you can see you can see success
Speaker 1: over there. You see the money, you can see the money.
Speaker 1: You know, inspiration. My windows faced Manhattan when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. They didn't face the hood. A lot of
Speaker 1: my friends who's who's windows faced inside the hood didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't think about going over there. I saw the
Speaker 1: lights of man Hat and I want to be over there.
Speaker 1: What's what's what's going on over there? I want to
Speaker 1: be over there. So my whole thing as a kid
Speaker 1: was looking out the window because I lived on Burning
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Speaker 1: into the box and movie a little bit. So, um,
Speaker 1: when did you see did you have approval for anything
Speaker 1: for her movie. She did. Her story was her story.
Speaker 1: She know, she did her thing that was that was
Speaker 1: strictly her story. I you know, I'm glad she was
Speaker 1: able to tell her story because I didn't know it
Speaker 1: was that deep like that. But I didn't know. But
Speaker 1: I was dead like the other personal stuff, didn't know
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, you survive abuse like that, That's
Speaker 1: that's why you had that strong person. I didn't then
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Speaker 1: everything was going on and people looking up to you
Speaker 1: in a way. So you know, I got a commented
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Speaker 1: opens the door for me to tell mine. People in
Speaker 1: my mind yet, yeah, because this is one time I
Speaker 1: think she's on toll she kind of trying to make
Speaker 1: you look bad. Do you think, um, um, what was
Speaker 1: that think? I think she uh, she was on tour
Speaker 1: and they said that in the promoters and and the
Speaker 1: man just stolen money. Yeah, and she's in the movie. Um,
Speaker 1: so I'm she didn't make me look bad because I
Speaker 1: steal the money. Right, I just stole the money, you know,
Speaker 1: look like that back then, though, I mean it was
Speaker 1: you we gotta think. We was like in the early
Speaker 1: part of hip hop, so nobody knew what the hell
Speaker 1: we are doing. Everybody's like, we're flying from the seat
Speaker 1: of our pants. The next thing you know, she she
Speaker 1: came to my house and recorded that freestyle. One tag
Speaker 1: joined like to three weeks later, we're on private planes
Speaker 1: going to do shows. Crazy, don't you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Three shows in three different states, so we need like
Speaker 1: a private situation to move around that day. And it's
Speaker 1: like like three weeks later, the three quartering the right, right, right,
Speaker 1: So we didn't we don't know what the hell we
Speaker 1: are just it got real popular, real quick because that
Speaker 1: was like the like, I don't want to say the
Speaker 1: beginning of the hip hop, but that was like the
Speaker 1: stages of hip hop actually finding success, like and actually
Speaker 1: starting to be on the raider because from there that
Speaker 1: lets you on the radio. When Mr Master actually I
Speaker 1: played her freestyle the rock Stand and Freestyle or Mr
Speaker 1: Magic's w HBI show back in the day at one time,
Speaker 1: and it was it was like a week before Christmas,
Speaker 1: so it was just crazy that that the record company
Speaker 1: that grabbed the record, they had records out by Christmas.
Speaker 1: They had records out in seven days, all over the country.
Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was, it was. It was
Speaker 1: like everything just messed up, right, if you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, everything messed up. They ran with the cassette
Speaker 1: we played from I didn't even mixed the record down
Speaker 1: the master. I played check this out. I played it
Speaker 1: on our show, and we recorded our show playing the
Speaker 1: record and gave him that tape and they made the
Speaker 1: records off that. So recording of the recording is the
Speaker 1: wax recording from the radio wax. Yeah, that's why it goes,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, because Magic was talking over it on
Speaker 1: the radio, and the record came out like that, and
Speaker 1: they got it out in seven days, and you know,
Speaker 1: you know it probably did it probably there really well
Speaker 1: because it was all over the place. Rat was new,
Speaker 1: Rock Sand, Rock Sand was dope at the time. And
Speaker 1: then here comes to female. You see how many other
Speaker 1: records came out after that, trying to be rock Sand's whatever, whatever.
Speaker 1: But it was already too late, if you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's when I realized that that I had something,
Speaker 1: Because if anybody was following like that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I gotta make more joints. They following, so I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta move on this. And that's when I really discovered.
Speaker 1: With the success of that, I was like, wow, you know,
Speaker 1: I started doing shows. You know when you know, we
Speaker 1: came out, We came out Head and we came out
Speaker 1: to Miami. You know, we all over the place with Seante.
Speaker 1: You know, we used to have the little eight to
Speaker 1: a drum machine and this is you know, this is before.
Speaker 1: This is before Luke Scott Walker was doing um like
Speaker 1: two Live Crew. This one he was like he had
Speaker 1: the djst style DJs back in the marriage to that
Speaker 1: was there was book Lie but the timeline don't know
Speaker 1: if you you know what. So I came out with
Speaker 1: an eight away and we had we put it on
Speaker 1: some base because he used to have the girl style DJs.
Speaker 1: He used to have a crazy system sounds. It was
Speaker 1: so you you know that they used to have like
Speaker 1: a warehouse was like a like a idea. It's like, look,
Speaker 1: look before your famous. They used to throw these parties
Speaker 1: girl style DJs and it was like big supermarkets, but
Speaker 1: it was a club and they had these big, huge
Speaker 1: sound systems, speakers as told you could see. So you know,
Speaker 1: one day I went out there with my eight a weight.
Speaker 1: She used to do her freestyle and you know, time
Speaker 1: can't lie, Timeline can't lie people, do you straight up?
Speaker 1: So I came out here with the eight o eight
Speaker 1: put that ship on boom. Motherfucker's was like what the
Speaker 1: everybody read it and look because he had the big system. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'll come with an eight a week next thing. You know,
Speaker 1: a few years later Miami got Base, so you know
Speaker 1: I could I could have been when I brought the
Speaker 1: base in Miami with the awight with back in the day,
Speaker 1: because everybody ran to look and see what the hell
Speaker 1: I was doing because they were just playing the records
Speaker 1: they were. You came and played original records that played
Speaker 1: the eight. You know, I brought the eight away drummers
Speaker 1: drum Machine actually did it right there, plugged it into
Speaker 1: their system and she was doing a freestyle and everybody's like,
Speaker 1: what the fund is that? Oh ship? So how did
Speaker 1: you meet bis Markey? Bisin? That's he was another person
Speaker 1: that came out to Queensbridge to meet me, okay, and
Speaker 1: so he hung out there for about a week and
Speaker 1: Queen's h He just was hanging out. He was on
Speaker 1: like you know, business was like, hey, well, youn't even
Speaker 1: corded him, you did. Nobody beats the BIS. If I
Speaker 1: gotta buy this apartment, somebody out what I'm saying. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so he came in. He was like like that girl,
Speaker 1: but he came out to the Queen. He came out
Speaker 1: to the Queen's Bridge. But he was like a guy
Speaker 1: hanging out. So he hung out on a twelve street. Yo,
Speaker 1: were good. So you're hanging with them for a few
Speaker 1: days that he go on this block. You're hanging with them,
Speaker 1: just staying on the block overnight whatever. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: like about the fourth day or fifth day, somebody said, yo,
Speaker 1: nig in the hall with beatboxing, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to hand no feedbox ass nigger right now.
Speaker 1: Buffy's out dusk. Everybody you know, like it ain't a
Speaker 1: room for that right now. It's like, yo, buddy nice.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let me go see him
Speaker 1: as soon that Ni could come in my house to mom.
Speaker 1: He made a quick demo the next you know, that
Speaker 1: very next day, which was make the music now now
Speaker 1: now because Bis, like I always say I want to
Speaker 1: play Bis in a movie, right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because he could he frum comedy like that's that's something
Speaker 1: that I like, I admire about hip hop. I just
Speaker 1: always felt like hip hop was so serious, like all
Speaker 1: my videos are always like trying to do some type
Speaker 1: of comedic did how did you know that about this?
Speaker 1: Like did you or did you even know that? You
Speaker 1: knew that? I recognized that when I saw him on
Speaker 1: stage because he used to you know, when he once
Speaker 1: he started working with Shant and they started doing little routines,
Speaker 1: and I started saying, seeing he kind of nice, but
Speaker 1: he he ain't rough like everybody else be working with
Speaker 1: g Rapp, you know, g Rapper carry with the lyrics
Speaker 1: back in them days, and even Shan was nice. Shan
Speaker 1: was kind of nice back in the day, if you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So when Bis came this, he
Speaker 1: had some fun. He like saying he was always joking
Speaker 1: in the studio, so his rhymes we kind of never
Speaker 1: took serious because he's kind of joking and laughing and
Speaker 1: all that, and you know, so he started bringing the
Speaker 1: comedic side out of us. So because because Kane wrote
Speaker 1: nobody be the business. No, it was business. Um wait
Speaker 1: for my movie and see like, yeah you know that,
Speaker 1: so you because I do have the original demo somebody
Speaker 1: else did years wait for the movie and see wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's to be right about that. Actually, drink holly,
Speaker 1: but throw it out there, my brother, you gotta have
Speaker 1: a drink with us, a brother, come on, come on,
Speaker 1: all right? So what else was it recorded in the
Speaker 1: bridge before we move on? Of course? Of course the
Speaker 1: bridge record was of course you know that Molly scratch
Speaker 1: was recorded in the bridge. You know, of course we
Speaker 1: know everybody's president. And my melody was made there, um
Speaker 1: roxy and chante. The earlier, my earlier take it off
Speaker 1: by spoon EG was made there. I made that there, yeah,
Speaker 1: take it off by spoony G and what else? So
Speaker 1: so those are yea my earlier records. How are you
Speaker 1: guys recording the vocals? I had a four track with
Speaker 1: with with a bullshit mike, with no a real four
Speaker 1: track with the real Yeah. First, my Morley's Crash was
Speaker 1: a four track of set. Because you know, I was
Speaker 1: already sampling, I alread, knew how the sample, so I
Speaker 1: was beating people already. I could add a two track
Speaker 1: and still beat people because I was sampling and taking
Speaker 1: the breaks. Nobody knew what the funk I was doing.
Speaker 1: Did you? Did you you started sampling um for for
Speaker 1: hip hop breaks? Um? I don't know if I if
Speaker 1: I did or not. But I made that ship fun.
Speaker 1: You know because my brother and the you know, the
Speaker 1: High Fidelity crew from Queensbridge, they used to play a
Speaker 1: lot of breaks. So far I was a DJ, so
Speaker 1: I had access to the ship because my brother was
Speaker 1: one of the DJs. We went to the service I
Speaker 1: had that's to all the ship they was playing. So
Speaker 1: you know, nobody used to Busin Beat was one of
Speaker 1: the records that they used to rock as a breakbeat.
Speaker 1: You give what I'm saying, fly like an eagle. That's
Speaker 1: from that ship, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: would take elements from my brother and them records and
Speaker 1: you know, make me seem older because it was shipped
Speaker 1: that they used to rock before I was I was
Speaker 1: able to get on. At what point is Jewice Crew
Speaker 1: getting created all this? Now? Jewice Crew, you gotta think,
Speaker 1: sir Juice is Mr Magic? A lot of people run
Speaker 1: up to me and say Mr Magic, mally mall, but
Speaker 1: they called me Mr Magic Molly Mall. That's two people.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know. Mr Magic was the
Speaker 1: first rap the first person to play rap period on
Speaker 1: the radio and bring it and bring it mainstream compilations.
Speaker 1: They used to come out right. He used to be
Speaker 1: on late night, you know, playing the rap music, you
Speaker 1: know when nobody was even caring about it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So he was the first rap DJ.
Speaker 1: When he went to BLS, that's when I got with him.
Speaker 1: I became an engineer all start May Marl with the
Speaker 1: mixing gloves that I never wore. So, um, how did
Speaker 1: you a sh Shannon is from the Bridge obviously shan
Speaker 1: um chance actually from Brooklyn? What chance from? You are
Speaker 1: killing my childhood? No chance from left Left fits left
Speaker 1: Fits Boulevard or Leftts Avenue and in Brooklyn. But his
Speaker 1: mom's his mom's father was was Graham's. You're gonna go
Speaker 1: a lot of people's childhood. But no, no, no, but
Speaker 1: that his grandfather lived in QB. So he's the frequent
Speaker 1: and that thing started getting famous. He still started staying
Speaker 1: with his grandfather. But you know, his first contract that
Speaker 1: I got just says left fits Left its boulevard wow
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn's Oh goddamn, Oh my god, I tell you
Speaker 1: this may be the most important. I would have never
Speaker 1: thought that. I would have never thought you would have
Speaker 1: said that just for bick up pick up, bick up
Speaker 1: ship happen. He did did red for the hood. You know,
Speaker 1: you know he got our story told. So how does
Speaker 1: that happen? Because this is this is a legendary record,
Speaker 1: This is the this is the whenever you Queensbridge, they're
Speaker 1: gonna play this record. What I'm saying, Bridge, you got
Speaker 1: you got telling the story about naas they tell a
Speaker 1: story about Mark. That's the first record they're gonna go to.
Speaker 1: So how does this come about? Do you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna make the anthem for your hood? For thirty fucking
Speaker 1: years and not checked this out? It wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: be a record, Like I said, Nothing that I made
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a record for you to play.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be intermission music for Queensbridge day
Speaker 1: in the park that I could play in between the bands.
Speaker 1: What so that was like that was like a Queen's
Speaker 1: Bridge intermission record for us only. So I played it
Speaker 1: in the park and I believe that, yes, somebody got
Speaker 1: killed too. God bless the rest to day. I guess
Speaker 1: little Hose eight from TENN Street, right, he got he got,
Speaker 1: he got hit. But that's what it was. It was
Speaker 1: intermission music, okay for in between because the bands was hot.
Speaker 1: We wasn't nothing. The bands was the ship. Every the
Speaker 1: record comes out. So what happens after the record is made?
Speaker 1: Do you know? That's what I'm saying. You and she
Speaker 1: ain't looking at each other like we got the anthem
Speaker 1: for the Hood say, it's just the intermission, just intermissive intermission.
Speaker 1: So and so we made it two years before the
Speaker 1: public heard it. It was already floating around the Hood heavy.
Speaker 1: My nephew leaked it out Fredo who leaked it out
Speaker 1: to the Hood, and then like everybody had the tape.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn. And then you know lawrenceon and
Speaker 1: was doing beat biter. Uh. You know that's when Shamon's
Speaker 1: going that LNG is like, yo, put that on, you
Speaker 1: know from Philly, put that jump, Put that Joan on
Speaker 1: the B side. Man, there ain't no record. That's some
Speaker 1: ship we made in the house for Queen'sband's Day. What
Speaker 1: you're talking about now? I put on the B side.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, let's let it go. It's already
Speaker 1: leaked out in the hood. Next thing you know, me
Speaker 1: and Shan started doing crazy shows. You can you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know the reaction you get a hot joint.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, your show appeal start going up.
Speaker 1: And that's why I knew that work. We started getting
Speaker 1: crazy shows. So then you what do you what comes
Speaker 1: out after this? Um, the Bridges Over or the South Bronx.
Speaker 1: South Bronx came out. South Bronx came out because Magic
Speaker 1: c Carross. One of them was that Power Play while
Speaker 1: we I was recording Power Playing Queen. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: they made Bridges Over. They made that ship in power
Speaker 1: playoff you want to talk about in the Beatles, they
Speaker 1: the Bridges over. They let me explain. Let's explain that
Speaker 1: now were using the studio doing bite this. Okay, we
Speaker 1: don't about South Bronx. We're talking about the Bridges Over. Right.
Speaker 1: When we're talking about we're talking were gone now places
Speaker 1: play studio right, Okay, I'm in I'm in the A
Speaker 1: roomps in the b room. There was they was but
Speaker 1: but checking because they wasn't even knowing nothing yet. The
Speaker 1: just and they're making demos just putting their money up,
Speaker 1: going in the lab getting me together. Now we we're
Speaker 1: in the studio. You know, scotlar Rock comes in the room.
Speaker 1: You know, Mr Magic please to meet you. Thank you,
Speaker 1: you know, bah blah blah. Could you please come in
Speaker 1: our room and listen to our ship and tell us
Speaker 1: what you think? So you know, in my magic I'll
Speaker 1: be in there later. Mr Magic was very unruly. He was.
Speaker 1: He was really me and the motherfuckers. You know, God blesses,
Speaker 1: you know, God blesses, godless so but you know he was.
Speaker 1: He was one of them dudes that he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if he didn't like you to tell you, oh, man,
Speaker 1: what the fund is wrong with your head cutting? He's
Speaker 1: like that, okay, okay, by the way, you did say
Speaker 1: that the king. That's why the head went up. And
Speaker 1: now now Mr Magic and your molly, now this is
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just magic engineer, Dji. You gotta be
Speaker 1: about it could be about seventeen eighteen or some ship.
Speaker 1: I'm mad, mad skinny because I didn't make money yet,
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. So I'm like anorexic. He's like,
Speaker 1: you'll come with me, man in the room and listen
Speaker 1: to the I was like, all right, bet let's go.
Speaker 1: So now we're going the room. They put off some song.
Speaker 1: They all going, they're jumping on crazy around the room.
Speaker 1: Mr Magic looking around, he just goes over to the volume.
Speaker 1: Now I'm turning that ship down now you know how
Speaker 1: it is in the studio, and just get silent. He
Speaker 1: looked there and said, Yo, that she is bullshite. And
Speaker 1: because the whole cruise like a whole room full of motherfucker's,
Speaker 1: it was just me and Magic and then they could
Speaker 1: have just started squaring off if it was real like that,
Speaker 1: but I guess it wasn't because that was a square
Speaker 1: off moments it was. It was real disrespectful, Yo, that's bullshit.
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, you wan't real hip hop. Mc shan
Speaker 1: rock Sant Molly Maul, Mr Magic, Mick, get the funk
Speaker 1: out of He just bumped out the room on these niggas.
Speaker 1: What did you think of the record? Though? It wasn't
Speaker 1: It wasn't what they It didn't It didn't have the
Speaker 1: energy of what we made them come out with. It
Speaker 1: was in South Bronx, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It wasn't nothing like the album They regrouped the ship.
Speaker 1: They didn't play South Brons. That wasn't the record. No,
Speaker 1: they ever come out. So you guys just magic nothing
Speaker 1: that Mr Magic is from Brooklyn. I thought Brooklyn. He
Speaker 1: moved to the Bronx. Okay, okay, okay. But then after
Speaker 1: that that put that you know that ship now heat
Speaker 1: this stuff like that. So everybody he said, and they
Speaker 1: face they put on the record, m Rox and Shanta
Speaker 1: is good for Mr. You know what I'm saying. Everybody
Speaker 1: who he's putting their face, they might have made that
Speaker 1: record that night. They could have got the fuel that
Speaker 1: night they make it. Niggas got the bridge outman funk
Speaker 1: that South bron So you know that could have fueled that.
Speaker 1: But next thing I know, I heard South Bronx and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, to be honest, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: niggas ain't gonna believe these niggas, man, fuck them niggas.
Speaker 1: That's that's how I felt about that first, Like nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna leave the niggas man, because you know, number one,
Speaker 1: we ain't say that. I don't think people was that
Speaker 1: dumb kind of to believe that ship to believe what
Speaker 1: that that that he said that we said the hip
Speaker 1: hop started in Queen's Bridge, but we didn't say that ship.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think we didn't even say that. I
Speaker 1: like when people smarter than that, they ain't gonna believe
Speaker 1: that dumb ship because we never said that. Who's gonna
Speaker 1: believe this dude. The next thing, you know, that ship
Speaker 1: became a hit. I'm like, that made me think that
Speaker 1: damn that niggas is like kind of slow, especially at
Speaker 1: that time. I made me really think that. I was like, Yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's all good because you know,
Speaker 1: we need to teach you in hip hop was history
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we made history. But in the beginning,
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't think nobody was gonna believe
Speaker 1: that ship because we never said that. And so so
Speaker 1: Shan like, Yo, let's let's go back in the lab
Speaker 1: and let's go make um kill that, you know, which
Speaker 1: I believe should have been like a three verse record
Speaker 1: or maybe two verses because it's first two verses out
Speaker 1: in the track is the track was kind of dope.
Speaker 1: Then they came back with the bridges over which you know,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. What's crazy? And so that day we
Speaker 1: rushed at the studio, magic distem. I leave my drum reel,
Speaker 1: My my my magical drum reel that made Eric Reas president,
Speaker 1: that made nobody beat the bills, that made me go ship.
Speaker 1: They take the box, they shake the drum reel, and
Speaker 1: that's the drum drum bridges over because you stop one
Speaker 1: number on the seats. Well, they took my drum, saying yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why that is so Fun's like, it's my that's
Speaker 1: my That's why they collin and say, yo, we took
Speaker 1: it from Eric Begs president. That's my ship. That's why
Speaker 1: I said, so motherfucking funky. I don't think carris One
Speaker 1: told us that part. Now. I don't think that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the most important. I don't even tell y'all some more.
Speaker 1: I think he like the book drinking you left that.
Speaker 1: So so the bridges over actually comes out, you said
Speaker 1: you don't believe it. But what was what was like
Speaker 1: the biggest blacklash for that, Like was it a moment
Speaker 1: where you where you felt uncomfortable, like because serious I
Speaker 1: wasn't working with them change when did chores with them
Speaker 1: and make commercials and all that. I was not later
Speaker 1: during that time period. That was a little after because
Speaker 1: remember they had a sprite commercial actually have been a
Speaker 1: sprite commercial. I was like, no, I ain't working with that, man,
Speaker 1: y'all go get that, y'all go do that, because you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wasn't working with them for for
Speaker 1: years and years. I ain't. I ain't work with all that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't. I wouldn't start producing g
Speaker 1: Rap to get what I'm saying, g Rap and King,
Speaker 1: I just went to the next, next, next level ship.
Speaker 1: But you know, I never I never want to make
Speaker 1: money with it. I was like, man, go ahead with
Speaker 1: it that. I don't want to be no commercials, none
Speaker 1: of that bulls. What was it a time where you you,
Speaker 1: you like, felt shaky because you know, like when a
Speaker 1: person they like most of the times when you have
Speaker 1: good battles, like real good battles, they'll say that once
Speaker 1: a person leave, the other guys finished. Like it was
Speaker 1: at a time you felt like that because of that
Speaker 1: record or though nah, I felt that I had more
Speaker 1: in the bag because he was producing. I was like
Speaker 1: I had more in the bag. You know, I was
Speaker 1: already working with g Rapp already he was like on
Speaker 1: the low. We probably had a demo already, if you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I was already on on,
Speaker 1: you know, and then King was hanging around, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I was like on the next
Speaker 1: phase already. So I let let that one, Let that
Speaker 1: one go to where it was going. How are you
Speaker 1: now with care? We made that album when it was
Speaker 1: a big, biggest selling that we made Hip Poplars. It's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest sellers. That's one of his biggest sellers.
Speaker 1: You know, that was years after because I only did
Speaker 1: that because I I read his bio because for years
Speaker 1: I didn't you know, I forgot about these nicks in
Speaker 1: the studio that day, that Magic you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: He used to this the main people. It was like
Speaker 1: this so so regular. I don't remember the disease niggas
Speaker 1: at power Play for we got read his bio and
Speaker 1: it said it in his bio Mr. Magic power Play,
Speaker 1: and I was like, remember that day. So for years,
Speaker 1: all of the years, I didn't know why they were
Speaker 1: so mad at us. I was like, you think it's
Speaker 1: mad at us man, we're killing ship out here, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we're changing the game. You're mad at you know what?
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so I never sucked with them what they're
Speaker 1: mad at. We were slaying the game. You get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I never understood so once I saw
Speaker 1: that years later, oh that was them dudes. Now it
Speaker 1: all makes sense. I saw Chris one day, I was like, yo, Chris,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you then that time in the studio
Speaker 1: me and started laughing about it. I said, yo, man,
Speaker 1: we should do something. And then we worked around and
Speaker 1: you know, did that album. But that's how that all happened.
Speaker 1: But you know, I wasn't working with none of that
Speaker 1: ship back in it. I took it very serious. I
Speaker 1: took that ship verning verning bull of our serious. What
Speaker 1: was it the room was that just Ice came to
Speaker 1: Queensbridge one day. I don't know, okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: anybody could come to Queensbridge come about in the morning
Speaker 1: time ten am, yeah yeah, yea, yeah yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. You know, you know, nobody's gonna go starting
Speaker 1: because I always thought that the beef was like respected,
Speaker 1: like I always thought like like like like she had
Speaker 1: new what it was and care rest knew what it was.
Speaker 1: So they said it. That's how it ended up. That's
Speaker 1: how it ended up. But because they started doing shows together,
Speaker 1: they started doing the commercials and doing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: But to get it, it was none of that. Um No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't working with it. But I never sucked with
Speaker 1: it at all. I never you think you think it
Speaker 1: would you would have like it would have been violence
Speaker 1: if you would have like Queens. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's crazy. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: We gotta. I don't think we watching over Juice Crew
Speaker 1: like like like the like the Marvel Comics of hip hop.
Speaker 1: I think Juice Crew was like like like like the
Speaker 1: epitome of like with the firm was supposed to be
Speaker 1: and like these other like certain things it is supposed
Speaker 1: to be. Uh, But the Juice Crew was the first.
Speaker 1: Was definitely the crew blue print. It was a blueprint
Speaker 1: for what was next to come. Even Coach Chilling was
Speaker 1: a blueprint for like bad Boy and Cash. And I
Speaker 1: didn't own Coach Chill and I was a staff that
Speaker 1: was an owner coll I was a staff producer. I
Speaker 1: always took you old. Let me tell you what my
Speaker 1: first my first job of Coach Chilling, I was a
Speaker 1: staff producer so they would have I will pop up
Speaker 1: with the artists and go in the studio. I was
Speaker 1: making sixty five thousand a year the first first year.
Speaker 1: Then when we got with Warner Bros. Started making two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand hours a year. But I still lived in
Speaker 1: the Queensbridge making two two hundred thousand dollars a year
Speaker 1: and my rent was like a hundred fifty dollars. I
Speaker 1: had to get I had to get the funk. I
Speaker 1: had to get the bad man. I paid the rent
Speaker 1: for like twenty years and she so um. You started
Speaker 1: working after Sha, after Sean Tate. Is that when Big
Speaker 1: Daddy came come to the rap Rap co Gi rat
Speaker 1: rappers from Corona Corona slash left right and need the
Speaker 1: left rock a little while I'm big, I'm gonna big
Speaker 1: it up in my building. I think I believe right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ce Polo used to go to school with me. I
Speaker 1: go the wild ass schools because I never When I
Speaker 1: was in school, they kicked me out of every school
Speaker 1: period because I was, you know, robbing everybody. You would
Speaker 1: never think that, but I was the nigga robbing niggas
Speaker 1: you know I was. I was so nice I could
Speaker 1: go in the closet in school and go up in
Speaker 1: the event and come down to another classroom and go
Speaker 1: through their pocket. I was nice with it, spider Man,
Speaker 1: Spider Man, what I'm saying, I told you the MARLP.
Speaker 1: So so from that, they kicked me at at like
Speaker 1: regular schools. In like fifth grade, I had to go
Speaker 1: to like six hundred schools. It's like junior jail type
Speaker 1: rich Wood. I went to school. I went to PS four.
Speaker 1: You know, there's nobody alive from that school where nobody's alive,
Speaker 1: damn there. But um, you know, and I went there
Speaker 1: and you know, and I met Polo. Polo was in
Speaker 1: my class. So you know, after I got famous, me
Speaker 1: and Polo stayed cool and I was like, yo, man
Speaker 1: make a group or something. Man through something and get
Speaker 1: a wrapper. And I told him, get a rapper, you know,
Speaker 1: I I rock with you, Shi, And he had his
Speaker 1: new dude, the Frosty Freeze. First, that was his first rapper.
Speaker 1: They made a record called Polo Polo whatever, and then
Speaker 1: you know it was whatever. He went to jail. He's
Speaker 1: still in jail to this day. I did. But but
Speaker 1: then he got g rap up do dude was you know.
Speaker 1: Then that's when the whole my whole production started changing
Speaker 1: because g Rapp now g Rappers on some different ship.
Speaker 1: That's when I started, you know, sampling up the it's
Speaker 1: a demo ship, the drumming ship before everybody, because you know,
Speaker 1: he was on that gangster ship early, I mean early
Speaker 1: before I've ever heard it anywhere else. I wasn't always
Speaker 1: hearing g Rapper telling little gangster stories and street stories
Speaker 1: and ship. So that's where you know, I was tarking
Speaker 1: with him. And then and then then we moved moved up.
Speaker 1: From then we started, you know, bis then we started
Speaker 1: doing um, you know Kane Kane. What came was this
Speaker 1: is this hoo flat top gules and eight nine came
Speaker 1: this Who's after not someone talking about he's talking about
Speaker 1: he's business writer and I didn't believe him. Kane talking
Speaker 1: about went to fast. He first in the afro. He
Speaker 1: didn't have the high top figure. Okay, so queeze breast
Speaker 1: down and I just want to move to the story. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: started you move people to the story. You just moved
Speaker 1: right on the block. I mean the story. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you a funny story. But I got my first got somebody.
Speaker 1: I moved right to conroll I the same exact things
Speaker 1: and townhouse. Yeah, I think it's like, think I can
Speaker 1: still see you there. What do you mean it was
Speaker 1: a town Oh you have the town. You have a
Speaker 1: town looked like a townhouse. It was just still a
Speaker 1: regular forment. So you moved to a story. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: now now now business ly, some some Afro looking stick
Speaker 1: up nigga knocking on my door talking about yo, I
Speaker 1: write for bids. I'm like, you know, the burner right here,
Speaker 1: man got the door halfway open and ship. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if you write for them, tell me something that didn't
Speaker 1: come out yet, and he told me one of the
Speaker 1: round was opened the door, come in and ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I write for bids. And he's late. I'll had this
Speaker 1: for him for today. So we're sitting there. He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to see our sound on tape.
Speaker 1: Because he wasn't trying to be I mean, like you
Speaker 1: just want to be right. He was. He was a
Speaker 1: rapper already. He was dope, but he wasn't really flexing
Speaker 1: to us that he was a rapper because their whole
Speaker 1: thing was let bids get on first, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: open the door for everybody. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he was, you know, he just wasn't doing protocol
Speaker 1: and he's like, yo, you know, yeah, you know, but
Speaker 1: but he was in the room, in the room and
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, you know, I always want to see
Speaker 1: our sound on this joint. He said, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: take you there. And I whipped it up real quick.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the first, the first recording I
Speaker 1: haven't made with him. While we was waiting for bids,
Speaker 1: you may, I'll take you there, his first, his first record. Ah,
Speaker 1: and you know, and I went to the record company like, yo,
Speaker 1: business writer, is this ship he needs to come out.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, man, he's the writer. They was, they
Speaker 1: was trying to front back Seat King. Yeah, they're trying
Speaker 1: to front at first, Like so you know what I
Speaker 1: would do with Kane just record ship around everybody because
Speaker 1: coming to the studio when so and so it's gonna
Speaker 1: show up, you can't come to the lab blah blah.
Speaker 1: So we started doing his album kind of behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: But the first the record company they fronted on Kane,
Speaker 1: they say, that's business writer, you ain't no rapper. But
Speaker 1: they didn't hear him. I did. I'm like you know
Speaker 1: that nigga nice, that nigga, that nigga nice enough to
Speaker 1: come back later and change the motherfucking games. So so
Speaker 1: so you but he's not so he's coming up. So
Speaker 1: when was it with the Afro with the Africa and
Speaker 1: you told him, you said Magic told him. Magic was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you ain't getting on stage represent for us with your
Speaker 1: head like that ship. You ain't getting on stage represented
Speaker 1: Juice Coup with your ship like that. And then I
Speaker 1: think that's when that Hot Top Faith pop back with
Speaker 1: the Hot Top Faith. So you got to see k
Speaker 1: go from like come up, we know that to to
Speaker 1: because at one point Kme was like like jay Z,
Speaker 1: like of now time, how did you? How did how
Speaker 1: did that feel like? Getting to see that process? Um,
Speaker 1: it was really good because at that point that's when
Speaker 1: Kane changed rap. After Rule Rapp was never to sell
Speaker 1: him again. It was never the same to break that
Speaker 1: down for us, you know because before Rual, before I
Speaker 1: made that record Rule with Big Daddy Can, everybody was
Speaker 1: whopping the can. You know all the records, records, you
Speaker 1: couldn't walk to roar. That was that ship that made
Speaker 1: your face got who the funk is that? After that
Speaker 1: for two years straight. Ror had to be the last
Speaker 1: record played in the club, in the club at the
Speaker 1: end of the night, because you can't play nothing after
Speaker 1: it was so dope. People had to catch up to that,
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. So when rock Kim first
Speaker 1: came to my house, you know Rock Kim, you know,
Speaker 1: I saw an interview where he said, Molly trying to
Speaker 1: change my style. I didn't try to change the styles,
Speaker 1: trying to bring him to where where it was going,
Speaker 1: because eventually he went there. Anyway, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The first record was my melody. Then everybody's president took
Speaker 1: a little faster, do you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: my my initial idea when I first heard rock Kim
Speaker 1: was to speed because because King was doing one thirty
Speaker 1: something already. You know what I'm saying. King was already
Speaker 1: speeding there. He was already speeding, He was already rhyming
Speaker 1: off of fast beats. So and then later on in
Speaker 1: rock kim career, I let the rhythm hit him so
Speaker 1: so song. So everything's fast because Kane came made he
Speaker 1: can change the game with rur that was it. Nobody
Speaker 1: couldn't make White records and no more it was. It
Speaker 1: was already public enemy came out speeding, l I was speeding.
Speaker 1: Everybody was speeding because Kane took the tempo. Came a
Speaker 1: motherfucker's want to quit. I know, I know, motherfucker's come
Speaker 1: to me that that that that nigga's loved saying. When
Speaker 1: I first heard motherfucking came, I was I was going
Speaker 1: to quit because that nigga was nice. He changed the
Speaker 1: motherfucking game and he was smooth with it. Then once
Speaker 1: the bitches started liking him, it was over. But you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it was over. And then he
Speaker 1: did the Madonna and he want pop. He moved out
Speaker 1: to l A. You know, you know we had to
Speaker 1: excuse that hold out to l A. But you know
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, like like we was pioneership, didn't know
Speaker 1: what he's getting into it. But you know, you know
Speaker 1: he got he got Hollywood and you did the Hollywood
Speaker 1: Hollywood and definitely do you ever look at this new
Speaker 1: generation to be disgusted? No, I look at it as evolution, bro.
Speaker 1: I can't evolution is a good way or evolution? And
Speaker 1: was we evolution in a good way? You get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Get the people who don't like what the
Speaker 1: young kids is doing. You're too old. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because when I fell in love with what
Speaker 1: I was doing, I was about eighteen years old. So
Speaker 1: whoever's eighteen years old? Pythone love what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1: And that's that ship. Niggas in their forties and fifties. Man,
Speaker 1: shut the funk up, man, that these niggas do it.
Speaker 1: These niggas did it kids, because did you stay honest?
Speaker 1: I'm sure when I came out with some sampling niggas
Speaker 1: like there ain't music? Is he doing what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, man, funk that that ain't music. The musicians
Speaker 1: was mad at me. I'm sampling you, musician, niggas. Now,
Speaker 1: I got a button to press. But what table is
Speaker 1: probably saying the same thing about us exactly, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I'll just call an evolution. Man.
Speaker 1: Let these little niggas do what they do. Man, if
Speaker 1: they want to mumble, mumble on, niggas fun that do
Speaker 1: that ship. If that's what they want to hear, go ahead, ship.
Speaker 1: I told niggas around and where you you ain't mumbling
Speaker 1: niggas ain't trying to even hear you, ain't trying to
Speaker 1: get you better. Get your mumblong. Let me tell you that,
Speaker 1: get your mumblong. Niggas gett paid right in private jets.
Speaker 1: That's very true mumbling. Now, come on, bro Wally, how
Speaker 1: the hell did you miss Knaves? How you the inside?
Speaker 1: You know what the funny ship about Nas with me
Speaker 1: with Queen's Bridge. I never knew Nas run. He never
Speaker 1: came to me. He would always stand on the side
Speaker 1: and watch. So you're saying, like that ship in the
Speaker 1: album the rock Shan movie is like, I don't remember
Speaker 1: he Ryan for he was sucking. I mean he was
Speaker 1: sucking with Hub like that. Because of Seante was a
Speaker 1: street girl, so she knew everybody all over the hood
Speaker 1: of course. But Nas never stepped to me because I
Speaker 1: had co Omega. Co Omega had sex, drugs, bitches and
Speaker 1: money song out in the hood. Yeah you know listen, um,
Speaker 1: I heard it called Mega first, like he was the
Speaker 1: first like guy heard from Queensan's like underground of course prior.
Speaker 1: But that's that's why, that's why NS probably never stepped
Speaker 1: to me, because I already had Mega Mega was working
Speaker 1: with me but he kept going to jail. Yeah, let's say, damn,
Speaker 1: Mega kept going the jail. I remember that. You know,
Speaker 1: even you know, even with Percy tragedy back in the day,
Speaker 1: you know, you still live on my block. He went
Speaker 1: to he went to he went to jail, and I
Speaker 1: didn't control so you know, I made sure he came
Speaker 1: over the money. You get what I'm saying. So you know,
Speaker 1: all right, boom, but you know, him and Mega kept
Speaker 1: going to jail, so I couldn't really get it how
Speaker 1: I needed to be because they would come home, them
Speaker 1: make some hot ship. Next thing, you know, they're going
Speaker 1: for a minute. I'm like, damn, what then are we
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing? Why are you going for a minute?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Mega Mega had sex, drugs,
Speaker 1: bitches and money. That was some song. He made it
Speaker 1: in Queen's Bridge before anybody was on that ship now.
Speaker 1: But he went to jail. Yo, man going away. We're
Speaker 1: in the studio. You know I'm going away next week.
Speaker 1: You're going where you're going. I'm going to jail. I
Speaker 1: gotta do like three points, so like what the fund
Speaker 1: is talking about, I gotta do like three three three,
Speaker 1: maybe four or five whatever I'm like, come on, bro.
Speaker 1: So that's why you know, with nas nas never really
Speaker 1: stepped to me because that street ship he was doing
Speaker 1: already already had those dudes and certified cats fund the hood.
Speaker 1: You know, I already had Mega and and you know
Speaker 1: the second verse on Live Motivator, that's the blueprint of
Speaker 1: Queen's Bridge. You know, anybody that's here my voice, go
Speaker 1: listen to the second verse of Live Motivator, and that's
Speaker 1: the blueprint of of what was the yet to come. Right,
Speaker 1: you have you have a regretted you're not step into Nas. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: because I understood what it was when they came to
Speaker 1: getting OS. What do you mean like, you know, when
Speaker 1: the industry came to getting OS, I understood what it was.
Speaker 1: You understood understood they needed him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They needed representative from Queensbridge, the place I made hot.
Speaker 1: But even with MOB, the MOB, I understood what it
Speaker 1: was all about. They needed part of that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that was the next generation of it.
Speaker 1: So you know, by that point, but I think by
Speaker 1: time nas Can, I was already probably working with LLL,
Speaker 1: so I was it was something different going on in
Speaker 1: my life. Okay, looking the role the mockers all that
Speaker 1: we got a ball ball goddamn it. So um yeah,
Speaker 1: so you need that. I thought I thought that was
Speaker 1: something you was just said you wish you was a
Speaker 1: part of. I mean, I wish you would have produced
Speaker 1: one of the records on the first Feel Matter. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but you know me, but I'll do all albums, that's all,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And the first mob the
Speaker 1: premiere was the one that that executive produced, that one right,
Speaker 1: the hit Him on the Back project alway, yeah, the
Speaker 1: earliest first first, that first one before who executive produced it?
Speaker 1: You know it's premiere premiere was involved in that project. Okay,
Speaker 1: And how about that mom, Mom? I mean I understood
Speaker 1: what it was with Chris Lightning and then Rick Gardless today.
Speaker 1: I understood that they needed a piece of that Queensbridge
Speaker 1: Queenemans was bubbling at that point, you know, they needed
Speaker 1: any So I get it completely. I already know what
Speaker 1: it is. The spot was hot. The spot was hot. Baby.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because me being from left Rack and me
Speaker 1: hearing like you and Trash having turmorial, right, and then
Speaker 1: me being a part of We had a record called
Speaker 1: l A l A and he was it was the
Speaker 1: first person he thought it was you, and that was like,
Speaker 1: it was weird because I always thought you I had
Speaker 1: like some type of thing, and he came to you
Speaker 1: and it was it was actually like dope to see
Speaker 1: It was dope to see grown men and the boy
Speaker 1: was dope. Didn't even do that project? Man, did you know?
Speaker 1: Did you ever think that if tragedy never met me,
Speaker 1: if we don't be sitting here right now, just exactly
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. Trash put
Speaker 1: me on. You put trag on, so in a way,
Speaker 1: if you was not, if you don't exist, I might
Speaker 1: love it. We might not be sitting here. You put
Speaker 1: him on his intelligent hold. At that point he was
Speaker 1: the super kid. Before in telling him he was the
Speaker 1: super kid, I didn't know the story. The super kid
Speaker 1: woke up one morning, turn your radio, world couldn't sing
Speaker 1: your mama, and your brother was gone. The tragedy won't
Speaker 1: happened to me. Yeah, I got his name from that record.
Speaker 1: People start calling me tragic because of that record, and
Speaker 1: he just marn with it. Yo, I'm rocking with that
Speaker 1: I'm tragic. So that's how he used to make records
Speaker 1: back then, used to make it and throw it out,
Speaker 1: just make them wow. And I used to be like
Speaker 1: the radio radio DJ for magic, so you know, I
Speaker 1: was able to use it as a promo first and
Speaker 1: then watch it go. So how did you link up
Speaker 1: with trash? How did you even he He's from the
Speaker 1: block like Craig Craiggs from my building. Craig from my
Speaker 1: building in Queensbridge. Tragedy was the little little dude that
Speaker 1: lived on the block on the first floor. They used
Speaker 1: to jump out the window and go to the park jams,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know, we all grew
Speaker 1: up on the same block, so we all knew each other.
Speaker 1: I knew his mom's step pops. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's on the same block, so you know. And they
Speaker 1: started getting warm and they started running, and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: let's let's go make something, you know, And and the
Speaker 1: funny ship contract was sucked up. Back then, we did
Speaker 1: a lot of ship and just got paid that one time.
Speaker 1: But that's part of what it was, if you understand.
Speaker 1: So um Master's right Master as poet U s a
Speaker 1: the U s a skating ring contest. That's the Jackson Heights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's skating ranking Jackson Heights. He wont he won the
Speaker 1: skating ring contest to go in the studio with me,
Speaker 1: so we made one record. But he was nice. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he was really nice. He was
Speaker 1: too nice to be where he was at if you're
Speaker 1: asking me, I feel bad for his situation with with
Speaker 1: Cold Chilling because he was too nice and they didn't know.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because the chilling is the
Speaker 1: stars is Kane, right, it's g rap Right, was good
Speaker 1: and exchanged the old juice creus there, But so he
Speaker 1: came after everybody was popping and they couldn't really see
Speaker 1: what he was bringing. It was later when Mass States incorporate, right,
Speaker 1: that was the loser. Yeah, that's when it really that's
Speaker 1: when he popped off. I always felt ace that he
Speaker 1: had something special, but it was just too crowded up
Speaker 1: there at that minute. A lot of turmoor what was
Speaker 1: going on, a lot of that bullshit was going on.
Speaker 1: That was you're working with before track masters or or
Speaker 1: after truck masters, just before was before? Yeah, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: try to they try to re light that fire when
Speaker 1: they put them with with them thinking that they can
Speaker 1: do what I do, even though he's just using all
Speaker 1: my samples back anyway, we were sampling you back. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's why I'm glad I publish him because jay Z
Speaker 1: and Maya joint they made put my daughter through school
Speaker 1: track masters. Jennifer appreciates that when when the person does
Speaker 1: sample you, is it is it? Is it honor or?
Speaker 1: Like how do you feel? How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: But first they better make a hit because we're trying
Speaker 1: to make money if you sample me, but I'm sample
Speaker 1: me on the flops. But you know, um, a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know that that that song thorough flu
Speaker 1: can't the young nigga get money? Need moore? Kanye Kanye
Speaker 1: saying my life. People don't know, people don't know on
Speaker 1: thorough Flute. Yeah, you know, Candi, young nigga get money.
Speaker 1: But remember L said that on the record too. So
Speaker 1: we owned a lot of that record, the Kanye record,
Speaker 1: and it came at a time when she was a
Speaker 1: little funky for me and it really changed my life.
Speaker 1: I gotta like, thank you, Kanye, because I kind of
Speaker 1: changed my life. And don't know, but when you made
Speaker 1: that record. It's dope. It made so much motherfucking money
Speaker 1: that it was a life changer, Let's know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And and I'm I'm wanted to thank him for that.
Speaker 1: You know, he probably don't know, but you know I should.
Speaker 1: You know, we have our ups and that out of
Speaker 1: downs and loss, so you know, it was it was
Speaker 1: on a down down with Spiral and one day I
Speaker 1: got a calls and we went to the clear thorough flute.
Speaker 1: You're a writer around. I'm like, what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: Kanye is gonna do it on Soul Training tomorrow. You
Speaker 1: need to prove it. What are you talking about? I
Speaker 1: never ain't got nothing to do with that song. Now.
Speaker 1: I listened to it and I didn't catch it, and
Speaker 1: I looked under as Captain showed me, as it right
Speaker 1: for you to not catch it. I didn't catch that ship.
Speaker 1: And that ship was popping for like two summers when
Speaker 1: I was here in that ship for two straight summers
Speaker 1: popped into it and everything not knowing but Joe by
Speaker 1: the time, you know, by the time anything tallied up
Speaker 1: and everything came around and the publishing popped, it was.
Speaker 1: It was life changing. Were you ever on the other
Speaker 1: side of that issue about sampling. Um, yeah, I got
Speaker 1: sued on four A Round Away Girl and Peace the
Speaker 1: President on a Round Away Girl, And the asshole that
Speaker 1: sued me gave me the record, but he went back
Speaker 1: and brought the rights to it. After that sampled and
Speaker 1: put it on all these hits and then sued me.
Speaker 1: You're getting no pub I ain't gonna say your name, okay.
Speaker 1: Cool Dayly was the one that caught like. That's when
Speaker 1: that whole sampling thing started, right there is markis Mark
Speaker 1: was the first sampling case that that that somebody one
Speaker 1: for sampling. It was given or Sullivant alone again naturally,
Speaker 1: and he used it on on his record and he
Speaker 1: got sued. And that's when Olilois realized you can sue
Speaker 1: for sanding the whole other business. Then everybody started coming
Speaker 1: out suing everybody but bis Monkey that you know, after
Speaker 1: I stopped producing everybody for Coach Chilling, they started trying
Speaker 1: to replicate what I was doing for them. But they
Speaker 1: you know, sampling when I used to sample, used to
Speaker 1: be kicking snares high hat and I'm making my own beats,
Speaker 1: making my own sort out of it. I wasn't looping
Speaker 1: like half of the records and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: acting like I produced something. You're just taking sounds, taking
Speaker 1: sounds and manipulating the sounds and making my own patterns
Speaker 1: and putting stuff over it. That's how I started sampling.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm to be honest, maybe I'm the first person
Speaker 1: to chop up a beat, m another fucking to make
Speaker 1: it unrecognizable, to make you Now, to make my own
Speaker 1: soup out of it. I could take a kick of
Speaker 1: snare and put my own pattern at it, you know,
Speaker 1: like like Araby as president, like nobody beast the biz
Speaker 1: and those are that's in Peace the President. But I'm
Speaker 1: making my own beat out of that sound. So I'm
Speaker 1: the first to do that. And Peace the President's the
Speaker 1: tragedy record, that's arrest the President's tragedy. Arrest the President
Speaker 1: was on tragedy record later on what kind of flat
Speaker 1: did you? How you see you back then? Because we
Speaker 1: make an arrest the president? Right now? What is making
Speaker 1: fake Donald Trump songs and left and right right? But
Speaker 1: back then, Yeah, but back then he had a few visits. Yeah, superservice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he he probably had a few visits. Wow him personally,
Speaker 1: you gotta ask him he told me a story or
Speaker 1: two about he had a visitor to h and this
Speaker 1: is when hip hop because now I remember we had
Speaker 1: fun the police from n w A. So now he's saying,
Speaker 1: arrest the residents and you produced this correct. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so the backlash so you you didn't get nothing? Okay, alright, cool,
Speaker 1: Well God better make sure. Yeah, scary moments, how because
Speaker 1: we live in a scary time right now? Real, cl
Speaker 1: real crazy? What yeah? What is what is the craziest
Speaker 1: thing that you saw that said, man, I gotta fall back?
Speaker 1: This is we we out of line. The craziest thing
Speaker 1: I've seen. It's how and you know, it's how certain
Speaker 1: entities and people want to keep our people stupid, if
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's like black falling
Speaker 1: type of stuff. No, no, no, they want to keep
Speaker 1: you know, like kind of like keep it where you
Speaker 1: don't have to be intelligent to make a lot of money,
Speaker 1: keep us, you know, make people have to stoop down
Speaker 1: to go back and be vert. Get about streaming. Streaming
Speaker 1: is the ship is just the new. It's the new,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the new money making now as opposed
Speaker 1: to you, you know, buying my record and buying my property.
Speaker 1: Now you can stream it. Now I can still make money.
Speaker 1: The more streams you make, the more money you make.
Speaker 1: But you don't have to actually Downlottle wild right, keep
Speaker 1: listening to it and it can spread. Like streaming. Streaming
Speaker 1: was good. They had to do that. They had to
Speaker 1: get ahold of this digital. It was out of control first.
Speaker 1: But when c these first came and started getting digital
Speaker 1: and MP three's and the napster. Yeah, they were saying
Speaker 1: CDs was like the like the most expensive ship, and
Speaker 1: the labels were disrespectful with CDs the way they were
Speaker 1: overcharging for what it was causing them. But when digital
Speaker 1: came out, that was that's when everything stuff. They had
Speaker 1: to learn how to control that. Now, streaming is the
Speaker 1: way to control it because if you're streaming it from
Speaker 1: a site that's generating money now advertising for them that
Speaker 1: they got to pay because you're looking at these artists
Speaker 1: right now, they don't care about sales. They don't care
Speaker 1: They had money off streams, and that's what it turned into.
Speaker 1: The industry had to figure out how to make money
Speaker 1: off for digital because they was losing in the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's real talk. So now you're kind of log it
Speaker 1: is that. Yeah, all your kind of you do you
Speaker 1: get like stream um some of the stuff um, the
Speaker 1: later successful stuff, Yeah, because a lot of my earliest
Speaker 1: stuff was just what it is. Just it wasn't even
Speaker 1: even at the contract. And yeah, digital you know, to
Speaker 1: be honest, digital was never nobody nobody contract digital. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there wasn't nobody. It was all physical. I was wondering
Speaker 1: when the hardest was. I was wondering when the industry message,
Speaker 1: when the industry was going to sue for for digital rights,
Speaker 1: because as artists, we never signed for this. Y'all just
Speaker 1: took it there Chuck d Suit University and one Chucky
Speaker 1: was killing with internet radio early on. He was always
Speaker 1: ahead of the curve. But everybody signed contracts and didn't
Speaker 1: sign for streaming and didn't sign for digital. It wasn't
Speaker 1: and it made that concept and want to pay you
Speaker 1: what they want to pay you. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They just want to give you what they
Speaker 1: want to give you. It's probably not what we deserve
Speaker 1: because sales probably was more. We probably get like three
Speaker 1: point two percent of opinion every stream when we was
Speaker 1: getting twelve percent or nothing before. All right, do you
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. So we could be getting less,
Speaker 1: but it's just what it is. I was wondering when
Speaker 1: the artist was gonna step up to that. Yeah, I swell,
Speaker 1: we got we got we gotta do that. Not a symphathy. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I need to fall back and just tell me how
Speaker 1: the hell is happening? H You know on my album
Speaker 1: cover you see us that the UM the jet and
Speaker 1: led Jet. I thought that was up t the borough early. Um,
Speaker 1: was you the first to do that clear port? No doubt,
Speaker 1: not some art. We broke the mother fucking plan port
Speaker 1: and the clear point and that's clear point. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: Now that day came. You know, before that day, Kane
Speaker 1: and g Rat made a freestyle off of Ror where
Speaker 1: it was going back to back and it went all
Speaker 1: the way out. It was it was like some some
Speaker 1: of I played on the radio like a few times,
Speaker 1: but everybody was getting excited. If you got this, you
Speaker 1: got this in all carves, I'll do it. We could
Speaker 1: we drink chance dot com. So what happened after we
Speaker 1: made that um that photo shoot in front of the
Speaker 1: airplane and led yet and all that, and so Kane
Speaker 1: was like, yo, let's go make a record, and I
Speaker 1: was like, bad, let's let's recreate that thing y'all did
Speaker 1: off ror, but everybody was with us. So we went
Speaker 1: back to We went to um the story that was made,
Speaker 1: the story it since and so god, I mean the
Speaker 1: story of projects, not story project, the story apartment. And
Speaker 1: so when we get there, Master eight was there because
Speaker 1: he's on the album. UM Shim was like, yo, I'll
Speaker 1: meet your LA's album right, yeah, my control album. I
Speaker 1: mean the leg at get the back of it. So
Speaker 1: now we're go and make that record. Now, nobody wants
Speaker 1: to run first, so let I said, let me put
Speaker 1: Master Ace on it just to fill up the space
Speaker 1: because he wasn't gonna be on the rect because the
Speaker 1: person at the end of that time was the hot
Speaker 1: hot So nobody first said, I don't care whose first,
Speaker 1: because you're seeing that talking about I don't want to
Speaker 1: be first, I don't want nig I don't care first last.
Speaker 1: Y'all just listening closely and was trying to do what
Speaker 1: I did that was a kipper. Everybody heard his rhymes
Speaker 1: like all ship this this new nigga, this new nigga, dude.
Speaker 1: The nobody didn't want to be on the record. With
Speaker 1: that nigger. That's probably why she didn't show what because
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be in Shamon was gonna come to that.
Speaker 1: He was gonna be on that record, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So he got on. He killed it. Everybody's
Speaker 1: looking at him like, oh ship. Everybody got heavy in
Speaker 1: the panic, got quiet, seeg Wrap over there. You see
Speaker 1: motherfucking Cane over there. And then then Craig g did
Speaker 1: his part, which was hot, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they're looking at you all, who's gonna go? Who's gonna go?
Speaker 1: They don't. They all get about who's gonna go first?
Speaker 1: Man g Rap gets on and wraps all the way
Speaker 1: to the end of the beat. He didn't give Kane
Speaker 1: no space before I happened. I had to cut the
Speaker 1: wraps part down and then give Kane some space. But
Speaker 1: they can't say right there with the wrap, just went
Speaker 1: looking at each other like if they had. They always
Speaker 1: had like a ill inside competition going on, and I
Speaker 1: loved it. Felt like all three of them, like g Rack,
Speaker 1: Kine and Rock him, I felt like it was always
Speaker 1: a secret. Let me explain something to you about the
Speaker 1: whole creation of Eric B and Rock kim Okay. I
Speaker 1: was introduced to Eric by Polo, So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say that the Corona so so where it was Eric
Speaker 1: b was hanging around with Polo with us first, right,
Speaker 1: so he saw a Polo get with g Rat and
Speaker 1: make a group. He's like, I think I could do
Speaker 1: this ship too. Wait wait, so g rap came before
Speaker 1: came Kim rock him. Yeah, I always start rock him
Speaker 1: and then and no talk of ever rock him being
Speaker 1: a part of Juice Crew. No, because that's all I
Speaker 1: can think about what you keep talking about all. You
Speaker 1: know what's crazy when when I when we first made
Speaker 1: My Melody and Everybody's President, I think the Verybody's President day.
Speaker 1: I gave them like demo mixes. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna mix this next week so to make a copy
Speaker 1: of what y'all guy? And that was the record. It's
Speaker 1: all sloppy. Ship was all loud, but it was the ship. Ship.
Speaker 1: She's like vocals going, U'm riding Vocal's live. You know,
Speaker 1: she's all loud coming out of nowhere at the end
Speaker 1: of the records and ship. But that was the record,
Speaker 1: and that's what people loved. And but I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I don't think if if if Eric B wasn't hanging
Speaker 1: around Polo, he probably would have got the idea to
Speaker 1: do a group m because he saw a polo do
Speaker 1: it so easily with us. He's like, Yo, fun that
Speaker 1: everybody coming up there and becoming stars. I could I
Speaker 1: could make a rapper come up here too, Yo, could
Speaker 1: we get the studio tomorrow? I got someone still coming in.
Speaker 1: And that's how it kind of happened. He was hanging
Speaker 1: around Polo first, all right, Polo kind of like popped
Speaker 1: it for him. When you first seen rock Kim, did
Speaker 1: you did you think he was good? Because Rock Kim
Speaker 1: I heard you say can change rap earlier. Rock Kim
Speaker 1: changed rap too because he came. Definitely, he definitely he
Speaker 1: had a dope tune. When I first heard his tune,
Speaker 1: I knew it was off the motherfucking change and I
Speaker 1: had a bullshit Mica and he still was dope, so
Speaker 1: I already knew just this motherfucker nice right here. It's
Speaker 1: something something different about his word play. I always knew
Speaker 1: he had wordplay, but if you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he always had wordplay. And as soon as I heard
Speaker 1: it from the top or this cat wasn't that he
Speaker 1: didn't curse right, and he didn't curse too, and it
Speaker 1: was hard motherfucker. I never really peeped. He didn't curse.
Speaker 1: He never really curse. Curse word. Yeah, you wouldn't think
Speaker 1: that that that's real talk. What Chad was really fucked up?
Speaker 1: Right now? I was thinking all I mean, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was just dope. Yeah, he had wordplay, work playing and flow.
Speaker 1: When you heard nas that he remind you a rock
Speaker 1: first time you heard nas, because that's what everybody said,
Speaker 1: you know, the first time I heard Nash. I think
Speaker 1: it was an't hard to tell and was the first time.
Speaker 1: If I have the time, I hadn't want the barbecue first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when everybody's like, yore the kid from from the
Speaker 1: from the forties side and back to the Brilligate wasn't before.
Speaker 1: I don't think I maybe I didn't pay attention to
Speaker 1: it like that. You at to get too much money
Speaker 1: at that time. Yeah, he was out there killing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could have could have missed that one. Bro. By
Speaker 1: the time the barbecue came out, that's when that was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I went to jail for snuffing Jesus when I was twelve.
Speaker 1: I went to help with stuffing. Jesus Jesus when when
Speaker 1: I heard him say that ship, because I was like
Speaker 1: this niggaid, my architect was so proud of twelve I
Speaker 1: went to help us. I was like, God, this is
Speaker 1: how you fucking found back my da. I was so
Speaker 1: proud of my fucking hood. I was like, good man,
Speaker 1: that ship was so dope. Gotta be proud, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta be proud. Uh this these new kids from from
Speaker 1: Queen's Bridge right now Jay Rosette, So I just look
Speaker 1: out for him and shoot. Uh. I like his little
Speaker 1: movement that he got to my people from laft Flack
Speaker 1: block game. But um so, what's your favorite ror and music?
Speaker 1: My favorite era it has to be like like like
Speaker 1: the Eric Bist President era, like eighty I would say
Speaker 1: eighties six to eighty nine or eighty eight six to
Speaker 1: eighty eight was something. It was like something special, was
Speaker 1: like special albums came out at that time. It just shifted.
Speaker 1: It was definitely a shifted. It was. It was a shift.
Speaker 1: It was more sample heavy because I haven't told everybody
Speaker 1: with how to make records literally change. Everybody got better.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You have people digging, digging
Speaker 1: for shifting. You know, you use that, I'm going to
Speaker 1: use this, you know what I'm saying. That was such
Speaker 1: a great time right there. They'll probably would never be
Speaker 1: like that ever again for the music, and that was
Speaker 1: such a pinnacle point of everything we love and it
Speaker 1: won't go away when you're working right now around the world.
Speaker 1: DJ and't just playing that ship playing I don't know,
Speaker 1: but talking about that era, what did you guys think
Speaker 1: about what was going on the West coast at that
Speaker 1: exact same time, Um Easy and n w and all
Speaker 1: of them coming up. I remember the first time I
Speaker 1: ever heard a motherfucker n w A record, Ice Tea
Speaker 1: was already out too, and I think it was the
Speaker 1: first compilation they put when they all standing standing in behind.
Speaker 1: It was like an n w A album and they
Speaker 1: all standing behind some warehouse with the feel of first
Speaker 1: crew with everybody that was like, what was that that was?
Speaker 1: I mean they ended up putting that out afterwards. It
Speaker 1: was like a n w A in the family or
Speaker 1: something like that. Right, Yeah. I remember when I first
Speaker 1: heard a shoot off the Craig g put me up
Speaker 1: on them. Craig was like, now I'm I'm a guy
Speaker 1: to make records. I'm on the radio, I'm ready to
Speaker 1: make it hit records, and we're not cursing this ship.
Speaker 1: But when I heard these niggas, motherfuck this, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is some crazy easy ship right here. But I
Speaker 1: knew it because every every other rapper was. It was
Speaker 1: too clean. The mother was like, man, fuck y'all, funk everything.
Speaker 1: Fuck this, fuck that, fuck your mother. I see coming
Speaker 1: before them. Yeah yeah, Iced he was out, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't as roar as at that time. I mean he
Speaker 1: was doing this thing. I think what caught me with
Speaker 1: them was they beats. I wasn't into the earlier Iced
Speaker 1: Tea stuff because of the music wasn't It wasn't kind
Speaker 1: of like where we was at. Kind of it was
Speaker 1: like on the West Coast vibe. So I kind of
Speaker 1: kind of missed it a little. So it was Drake's production.
Speaker 1: Drake's production. Yeah, it was his drums. Crazy. He was
Speaker 1: newpooth beats and chopping ship and had band motherfucker's playing
Speaker 1: guitarest ship. I was like, god, damn, these motherfucker's is
Speaker 1: saying something. It was the ship to me, but I
Speaker 1: was stuck. I was like, yea, when I first heard
Speaker 1: this ship, I was like, Man, this motherfucker's just doing
Speaker 1: doing it and realized I realized how regional rat was
Speaker 1: gonna be at that point because we could have cared
Speaker 1: less what they was talking about, but out there they
Speaker 1: kid less what they was talking about. They could have
Speaker 1: cared less. But what then we just talking about because
Speaker 1: they had their own language. And that's what I've seen.
Speaker 1: It happened to rap. I go to different countries. You know,
Speaker 1: it's sucking people rapping in every fucking language, which is
Speaker 1: possible right now, you know what I'm saying, there's always
Speaker 1: something open up MC or DJ for me. Whenever I
Speaker 1: go to any country or whatever, they're wrapping in their language.
Speaker 1: And I'm seeing the progression all over the world and
Speaker 1: every part of every part of the world, every corner.
Speaker 1: And I would have never thought it would be like
Speaker 1: that sitting in my Queen's Bridge department making ship. Would
Speaker 1: I never thought it would be like that. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing. Man. Hip hop savings got different
Speaker 1: says lives saves lives. So how did you link back
Speaker 1: up like l L because you wasn't one of them
Speaker 1: in the beginning, Right in the beginning of it was
Speaker 1: much drivers before Brian. He was going to Jim, we
Speaker 1: may we may beat by that. Remember that's why you
Speaker 1: said trying to take Uh yeah, because we got mad
Speaker 1: because you know, the rock the Bell's remake sound like
Speaker 1: Molly's scratch. So we was you know, we're young. Uh
Speaker 1: didn't give a funk going like yo, man, funk that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But then you know later on,
Speaker 1: you know El from Queen's know what I'm saying. You know.
Speaker 1: The funny shing about L with me is my aunt,
Speaker 1: my father's sister H raised his wife. Uh like my
Speaker 1: father's sister was um Simon's um moms when she was
Speaker 1: alive of her best friend and Simone's mom passed, and
Speaker 1: my my aunt like, Yo to my best friend, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take care of you. I'm gonna buy bye bye.
Speaker 1: And I never knew that. Wow. And later on and
Speaker 1: like me and l L kind of found out. That's
Speaker 1: why we got kind of type because we're talking about
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, you know Peggy, but I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got Aunt Peggy seven degrees. It's crazy. It was
Speaker 1: crazy because he said something about Aunt Peggy one day
Speaker 1: and I was like sho, I got a aunt Peggy.
Speaker 1: I was joking, but joking me, it's the same same person.
Speaker 1: Everybody called h and you know, and you know she
Speaker 1: used to she she used to work with his family
Speaker 1: even as the kids was growing up. And you know,
Speaker 1: we we never knew that that that we was that close. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that was that's my my father's sister. You know,
Speaker 1: she lived in Jamaica. I lived in Queensbridge. I didn't
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know that that's what she was doing,
Speaker 1: but it was. It's weird. So after that, then musically
Speaker 1: we got together. It was insane, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know, we this went out to the who
Speaker 1: whole album you did together? Which one was it? The
Speaker 1: whole album? The whole album? Every every Reavy record? Which
Speaker 1: which album was this? And that was going at um
Speaker 1: Kumodou to the Break of Dawn was actually going at
Speaker 1: Kumo d iced Tea and hammer. Everybody was going to
Speaker 1: hammer al from now looking back at that time, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody was going at him. But a lot of people
Speaker 1: is mad because he made a lot of paper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know that's a good thing, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: considered real hip hop. But you know it's that was
Speaker 1: the beginning of of that. That shouldn't let everybody see
Speaker 1: what records they should be making, because that's where it
Speaker 1: went anyway, every everybody went pop. That's where hip hop
Speaker 1: is at right now. Exactly what Hammler was doing is
Speaker 1: what mumbled rapids right now, He's right mumble. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the same place I go. I go to. You know,
Speaker 1: I start much a Future concert. Before I was like
Speaker 1: saying to myself, twenty years ago, this would have been
Speaker 1: a rock concert. Yeah, the same people in the audience,
Speaker 1: the same people on somebody's show. This the same blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I'm seeing anybody out there. I'm like, twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, this would have been a rock concert. So
Speaker 1: I see how rap took that spot. So that's how
Speaker 1: hamming Ship was back in the day. This ship was
Speaker 1: a rock concert, you know, before they was doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, he had hundreds of people on stage dance.
Speaker 1: It was like a big production. That's that's a rock concert,
Speaker 1: just killing it, you know, And that's what these you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I went to Future show all and a
Speaker 1: half motherfucker's was losing their mind straight to Eavery record.
Speaker 1: He's just doing half of versus and the crowd doing
Speaker 1: the rest. But you know, that was one of the
Speaker 1: most intense times I've ever seen. I'm a fan. I
Speaker 1: gotta get it because I got yes, so I can't hate.
Speaker 1: Can't hate these young kids, man. But as a producer,
Speaker 1: you think you could contribute to that or would you
Speaker 1: stick to what you think you're laying invent my wheel?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it. And I feel like there's room now it
Speaker 1: is for everybody to be in their own If anything,
Speaker 1: I would, I would do more E d M. It's
Speaker 1: something E d M. Really yeah, something like that as
Speaker 1: opposed to you know, trapp y'all do YO do? Before
Speaker 1: I started making hip hop, I was making electronic music anyway.
Speaker 1: That's why I had the edge over everybody because I
Speaker 1: was already tech savvy. I was working off the Baker dude.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, they was making a i OU Planet Rock,
Speaker 1: all these electronic beats and you know AI O use
Speaker 1: a sample. I was. I was an intern watching these dudes.
Speaker 1: So what I did is I saw what they was
Speaker 1: doing with these vocals and putting vocal samples. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could put hip hop and that ship. I could
Speaker 1: put my favorite sniff and play it to a beat
Speaker 1: while nobody knew what the fun was going on. And
Speaker 1: that's why I was able to add the edge on
Speaker 1: everybody because I worked at Unique Studios and they was
Speaker 1: ahead of heavy fucking body. Unique Studios in my hand,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, there was ahead of every motherfucking body. I
Speaker 1: like technology seven. Yeah, yeah, that was. I was a intern.
Speaker 1: That's why I started out. That's why I sampled my first.
Speaker 1: That's why I discovered sampling Unique Studio at Unique because
Speaker 1: I was doing something else and the tragedy bought us
Speaker 1: there for or report the album, right, So I was
Speaker 1: I was playing, I was sampling something else and the
Speaker 1: snare went in there and I started playing the snail
Speaker 1: the bat. I said, you'll turn this that bullshit snare down.
Speaker 1: I started playing my ship and I started thinking. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, ship, I can take any kick, any
Speaker 1: snaire from any hot back. And I got home that
Speaker 1: that's proven already, and make beat. Nobody was thinking about
Speaker 1: that ship. All the favorite breakbeats to everybody would go
Speaker 1: crazy to in piece the President was the hottest record
Speaker 1: for any DC to play for years, and you know,
Speaker 1: put that shirt on the record. Every record that I
Speaker 1: have a sample those drums was a hit. Every record
Speaker 1: that ever used that was a hit because your brain
Speaker 1: likes it already. Mm hmm. It's it's a science. It's
Speaker 1: like the music that's out. Why do you think every
Speaker 1: beat sounds the same because your brain likes it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the same drums, even the vocals, the melodies right there,
Speaker 1: because your brain likes it already. It's like it's you
Speaker 1: know what, It's almost like a chef. If he knows
Speaker 1: what you like, he could add those ingredients to everything
Speaker 1: he cooks for you, and you're gonna love everything he does.
Speaker 1: It's the same ship. That's ill. It's a science. That's
Speaker 1: as one of the most important shows, y'all like me, right,
Speaker 1: I got friends. His name is Scott starts right, Scott
Speaker 1: store shot one time was one of the hottest producers.
Speaker 1: I've seen him literally be outside with a cheese line
Speaker 1: outside his door. You at one point, well, the only
Speaker 1: mother fuck up you had, like you wanted to hit record,
Speaker 1: you had to see I imagine your cheese lines was crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. This is surprisingly the people that
Speaker 1: came to my house. Bro. Back in the days, you'd
Speaker 1: be so surprised. Bro, let's let's get something. You know.
Speaker 1: It was. It was crazy. Um to this day you
Speaker 1: still like work in your house, like you got your
Speaker 1: own studio that worked for you your whole life. By changing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a point where I could have
Speaker 1: brought a big, multimillion dollar mansion or in s to sell,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to get I wanted to get that
Speaker 1: sellstead you have that in the crib not no more.
Speaker 1: But that was probably one of the first people to
Speaker 1: get word of crib because I felt it was gonna
Speaker 1: make money back. You know. I mean to me, I
Speaker 1: ain't buying the gold chains and stupid boards. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: power play having a big one. So I was always
Speaker 1: into buying equipment because I knew it was. It was like,
Speaker 1: it's like drug money I got, I gotta re up.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do to get better money. I gotta
Speaker 1: get better equipment, but I gotta get the best ship
Speaker 1: on the block. So instead of buying fabulous stuff, I
Speaker 1: would now in demand demand. You were like, I remember,
Speaker 1: like I should have go I was young, and I
Speaker 1: remember it like I knew if you had a hit record,
Speaker 1: you need it had to be produced by volleyball. Like
Speaker 1: how crazy was it? It was insane. I mean I
Speaker 1: was doing mixes for prints, Shakakoda was coming at there,
Speaker 1: was coming at me all over. Um. One time he
Speaker 1: even wanted me to produce the Beastie Boys. Wow, that
Speaker 1: would have been that wouldn't do crazy, That would have
Speaker 1: been crazy. But I was kind of like I would
Speaker 1: kind of like want to say at the culture for
Speaker 1: what it was. I never thought that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: dugged them, but I didn't think that they was what
Speaker 1: I was doing, if you know what I mean. You know,
Speaker 1: I had rough, rough fast niggers on the beats. We
Speaker 1: wasn't joking, so you know, but it probably would have
Speaker 1: been different. I think it would have been. I would
Speaker 1: have gave my hot beat did what they did now
Speaker 1: I see it, but back then then see it like
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I was trying to, you know, keep
Speaker 1: keep wrapped hard and keep it true to what it was,
Speaker 1: because it seem they were clown. Yeah. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know they think they think, you know, godarsted when they passed,
Speaker 1: but you know they did they think but I believe
Speaker 1: that I didn't. I didn't produce them because I thought
Speaker 1: they was clowning what we was doing. Kind of, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that that too. It would that that
Speaker 1: would be the suburbs way in if you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't I didn't catch that is anything
Speaker 1: you ever regret. I regret not producing Michael Jackson, you
Speaker 1: had the opportunity. No, I regret not producing. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I regret not producing that. Yeah about you set
Speaker 1: us up? Regret that Ye just set us up, all
Speaker 1: of our hearts all my favorite group, God, God, God
Speaker 1: was my favorite group back in the day. I don't
Speaker 1: know why God was one of my favorite groups. But
Speaker 1: you you got a chance to work with them, and
Speaker 1: you did. Um. Now I wish, I wish I would
Speaker 1: have heard tell a story only right, and we want
Speaker 1: to talk about the story with the phrasing of the
Speaker 1: new Jack swing. You know a lot of people think
Speaker 1: that Teddy Riley kind of invented new Jack swing. But
Speaker 1: me and Heavy D was making records and he was
Speaker 1: always talking about his new Now he's always talking about
Speaker 1: swing beats. My swing beats, my swing beats, my swing
Speaker 1: beach that's before Teddy role even guy got what uptown
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. So he's talking about
Speaker 1: his swing beats. So somebody put new Jack on the
Speaker 1: beginning of the swing beats and now that they they
Speaker 1: formed a whole new way of making it's music. But
Speaker 1: it's the form of the man Heavy D started. So
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't ready at uptown earlier in the
Speaker 1: game making swing beats for Heavy D. See people collide,
Speaker 1: but the timeline doesn't lie on records. Go back to
Speaker 1: the early Heavy D records with me. Before uptown was
Speaker 1: new Jack swing. He's talking about his swing beats that
Speaker 1: I produced. But what specifically makes something New Jack swing? Um,
Speaker 1: it's just it was. It was. It was a timing.
Speaker 1: It's like one two want to want to? That's the
Speaker 1: new Jack swing. Regular was one two one two Jack.
Speaker 1: That's like crackhead music. Basically that ass. You gotta think
Speaker 1: crack has used to dance good to Jack tell the
Speaker 1: truth but hooks in the eighties. But the mother to
Speaker 1: say that that was to say how how much cocaine
Speaker 1: crack effect? Because that was that was that's when it
Speaker 1: invented all the records about crack and all that is
Speaker 1: about that error. So how much was that affected you? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm lucky for me. I mean lucky for me. I
Speaker 1: mean I thank God for this day. One day I
Speaker 1: tried to crack. It didn't work. Wait what it didn't
Speaker 1: come Yeah, it didn't work. Was getting high and us
Speaker 1: all in the place. I'm like, yo, check it out.
Speaker 1: So the glass maybe had air in it, so air
Speaker 1: came in instead of cracking. And I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: she is whack. Ain't y'all do that? Give me the week?
Speaker 1: You know what? I'm saying that back in back that time.
Speaker 1: So God save my life by making the air come through. Nothing,
Speaker 1: because I see too many people that the air didn't
Speaker 1: come through, but they're not the same. How many people
Speaker 1: you see get high? I mean you just throw it
Speaker 1: out there. I've seen superstar artists get high. I don't worry.
Speaker 1: No one listens to us small. I want to Rick James.
Speaker 1: That's how not the man was. James wanted me to
Speaker 1: do something with him, so that up in there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm at Rick James house. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I might have got hime with James my day.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to us today I gotta do one time
Speaker 1: Mr Mr p Funk himself, George George Clinton. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to pray. He does everything not one day.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, he said we're going to pray.
Speaker 1: What that means? It sounds scared with us. Let's go
Speaker 1: in the room and pray. When they're talking about praying that,
Speaker 1: you know, they was doing their thing, and I was tempted.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, this is like this would go
Speaker 1: down in my It's like a bucket list. I took
Speaker 1: a hit with this mother anybody right, I took a
Speaker 1: fucking head with him, and you know it would have
Speaker 1: been a bucking this. I didn't do it, but I
Speaker 1: was really thinking about it. No, there was there was,
Speaker 1: you know, doing whatever they or whatever they. I was
Speaker 1: tempted to do it with it, just so I could
Speaker 1: say in my mind, George hot that George motherfucking Clinton,
Speaker 1: not Bill George. That's all I was, you know, I
Speaker 1: was tempted. But if thing happened, because that was that
Speaker 1: was that was like an ill time like like like
Speaker 1: like that was like the first like like drug epidemic era,
Speaker 1: like you got to see you got to see hip
Speaker 1: hop go from happy to then you just have to
Speaker 1: hear these records. Maybe that was one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I had to lead a too, because it became like
Speaker 1: like at night, it was like night nightey living bass
Speaker 1: heads because like now we used to crackheads, but this
Speaker 1: is the original crackhead. It's the ringing era. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: the block block was dark and you see people just
Speaker 1: walking like zombies. Because I'm forty I'll be forty one
Speaker 1: this year, and I remember cocaine was like a classic
Speaker 1: drug and then crack actually at first was like the cool,
Speaker 1: cheap way to get to that. It was a cheap
Speaker 1: way to hit. And then like so you remember like
Speaker 1: the cocaine raw as opposed to the crack arrab like
Speaker 1: because you know, because the cocaine niggers over there over
Speaker 1: there like cocaine me cousin, my cousin, Burrows and Kiddle.
Speaker 1: He says he's down the clucaine. Listen. We've been trying
Speaker 1: to tell you for years. Boris is down, but he's
Speaker 1: not on that ship. Yes, Slippers is down. When listen, yo,
Speaker 1: that's why he'd be swaying like that. Like man, I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you that pay attention to your friend I'm
Speaker 1: just staring out there. Basically the cocaine in the Remember,
Speaker 1: because in the cocaine era, I wasn't really famous yet.
Speaker 1: I was still playing in in smitties after hours queens.
Speaker 1: It would be after hours. The number of spot man
Speaker 1: um um. It's not cheeking the pall. The pub was
Speaker 1: down the street. Okay, he's going to block the competition. Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah cool. You know, in the in the cocaine era,
Speaker 1: I used to be like a DJ and clubs. And
Speaker 1: then once I started getting famous, then the climate started changing.
Speaker 1: A little crack started coming out. Then the wools and
Speaker 1: started smoking rundies and ship you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So and then and the baddest chicken on the on
Speaker 1: your block that never gave you no ask was giving
Speaker 1: out ask for nothing. That's from that changed like a dirty.
Speaker 1: There's a dirty. It's a dirty. You were describing to
Speaker 1: people with the dirtiest smoking the talk to the people.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Hayes can tell us better. That's a dirty.
Speaker 1: He just smoking. It's smoking powder, Yeah, smoking powder. We
Speaker 1: went in New York round me and powder in Miami,
Speaker 1: which smoking a dirty dirty, yes, But in New Yorker,
Speaker 1: who was weed and Cracked made my eyes bleed. See,
Speaker 1: we didn't go that's what he said. That's what facking
Speaker 1: weed made my eyes bleed. That's what he's talking about
Speaker 1: the moves because there was a whole error of that.
Speaker 1: It was a whole error, and you know it was rampid.
Speaker 1: You know. To be honest, when I was seeing everybody
Speaker 1: get high, I had to get away from that. That's
Speaker 1: why I moved up stick. That's why I moved to
Speaker 1: where I moved. I'm a corner with you up there.
Speaker 1: You you came up to the spot, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: that's why I moved. I went to get away from
Speaker 1: everybody getting high. It was like too much for me. Wow,
Speaker 1: mother focker's thought they could just come to my house,
Speaker 1: and you know, I had the studio just show up
Speaker 1: and think you're gonna come there and start getting high.
Speaker 1: So let me just describe, Let me describe this. They
Speaker 1: just get this glass fights, correct, because this has got
Speaker 1: to be looking crazy smoking crap. Yeah, I mean you're
Speaker 1: talking about hitting first. Once Crack came in, they got
Speaker 1: a little got a little crazy. Mockers just thought they
Speaker 1: could just you know, it was like it was like
Speaker 1: recreational at one point this episode st this so we
Speaker 1: still was making his and still came to bring out
Speaker 1: the sun of this bitch. What's the hint that was
Speaker 1: made crack cocaine that was around We need to know
Speaker 1: drink as we love story just saying on drugs. I
Speaker 1: could tell you one of the artists came to my house.
Speaker 1: You see so much coke. I found him in the
Speaker 1: bathroom spoil the funk out. He went to the hospital
Speaker 1: and got an operation. Not just leave it at no
Speaker 1: record was I'll leave it at that, and it's one
Speaker 1: of your favorite artists. Oh, I just leave it at
Speaker 1: wait for the movie, Wait for My bad Dad. I
Speaker 1: don't know. And that you know that famous freestyle is
Speaker 1: Kane jay Z. I think pos in it? Were you there?
Speaker 1: I'm not not that we're Brooklyn at freestyle. That was crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was crazy. Mr C. Actually he recorded that. That's
Speaker 1: his record. That's his recording. He was recorded that live,
Speaker 1: right He recorded it live and wanted to be for them.
Speaker 1: And you know that's another history making moment right there.
Speaker 1: You know, who would think that Mr C would even
Speaker 1: discover Biggie if you know what I mean. That's like
Speaker 1: that's part of the tree. Too part of your tree
Speaker 1: of course, of course, you know, and you know, Viggie
Speaker 1: was incredible. Biggie was one of the dopest, dopest rappers
Speaker 1: that could cling on a beat better than anybody. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do magic with other artists to make them be
Speaker 1: on the beat. Big shot you out, of course, of course.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know what that meant when he first
Speaker 1: did it. I didn't know that thirty years later it
Speaker 1: would still mean something to what it would mean because
Speaker 1: that put me into a whole another generation. And the
Speaker 1: record just keeps playing anyway. It's plays every day somewhere,
Speaker 1: and you know, people may not have known about my
Speaker 1: production or what I've done for hip hop, or who
Speaker 1: I brought out or who I discovered or nothing. They
Speaker 1: just know Biggie mentioned my name on the record that
Speaker 1: they keep hearing. So I didn't know the significance of that.
Speaker 1: I kind of slept on it at first. We said,
Speaker 1: should he said my name, that's cool, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But where he says it, Molly More, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like Jappie jap on the bridge, Jappie jap d you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like at a Pinnacle Point,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know the significance of Biggie shouting me
Speaker 1: out on that wreck and how important it would be
Speaker 1: to me. I didn't really realize the tree that that
Speaker 1: that the connection through Mr C. Think Daddy can choose
Speaker 1: crew Biggie. Do you know what I'm saying. It's it's
Speaker 1: almost like that if I didn't meet, if I didn't
Speaker 1: meet Mr C, would there be a Biggie mm hm
Speaker 1: m m Because Mr C put Cane, came put big
Speaker 1: See what's King's d J? Yeah? Right, so then and
Speaker 1: and then that yeah, that gave you you know, that
Speaker 1: gave him cloud. So you know what they have been
Speaker 1: with We don't know. I mean, there's possibly a lot
Speaker 1: of people you don't know that got inspired off of
Speaker 1: everything you did that you may not know that direct
Speaker 1: direct a correct retreat match. Is there any artist that
Speaker 1: ever came to you that you fronted on like you
Speaker 1: didn't see that there was a star and then later
Speaker 1: on became a star and he was like, damn, I
Speaker 1: fucked up. You know what's funny and glad you say
Speaker 1: that because jay z n Jason used to be with
Speaker 1: Kane all the time, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: I did a remix with with um Shy and jay Z.
Speaker 1: So jay Z was up at my house right. So
Speaker 1: jay Z came into the crib just like when I
Speaker 1: you know, I thought I was my first time meeting
Speaker 1: and and I said, oh, what's up, nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: I want I wanted to go like this this is um.
Speaker 1: This is not just when it started to leave, just
Speaker 1: when it started prom I did um just just when
Speaker 1: Rocket Fell started rocking and he was able to get
Speaker 1: he was able to hire him to get on records.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like just just when
Speaker 1: it was coming maybe ye around that time. So he
Speaker 1: comes to the crib right, I said, so nice to
Speaker 1: meet you, by by He said, Yo, man, you met
Speaker 1: me before. Man, I've been here before. I still right
Speaker 1: here when King was doing soon so soon. So that
Speaker 1: ship sucked me up. Wow, that ship sucked me up.
Speaker 1: That came was at the creber. I mean that that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: jay Z was at the crib. We came from maybe
Speaker 1: Young Gifted the Black or something one of them joints,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I would like to
Speaker 1: know he was a rapper then, but I didn't know.
Speaker 1: But that's like one of those stories like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't have its that bold if I
Speaker 1: knew he was a rapper. Okay, So I didn't want
Speaker 1: to ask you what's your favorite artists? Because I know
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, lose you your favorite hip
Speaker 1: hop artists? Who's your favorite hands down number one overall?
Speaker 1: If you had to pick one artist, just one, full package,
Speaker 1: full package, just one, whether it's to work with or
Speaker 1: whether it's to to listen to. Um, Yeah, let's go
Speaker 1: back to that one. I'm thinking about that little it's
Speaker 1: my all time the overall artists who got it. But
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, opened a lot of doors
Speaker 1: for me production wise, and it was more than just
Speaker 1: making a beat for somebody to rhyme. More could have
Speaker 1: been Kane, you know, because I've seen him a form
Speaker 1: into what it was. We're just doing hardcore ship first.
Speaker 1: Then then the ladies started liking him, the female started
Speaker 1: liking him, and then it just switched. He started you know,
Speaker 1: it changed it to something different. And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: and it made me grow as a producer. But you know,
Speaker 1: came change. He changed me as a producer because before
Speaker 1: that I was just giving people whatever I want them
Speaker 1: to have with the Juice Crew here year you got
Speaker 1: that ship, Oh Chanta, you can get that. You cant
Speaker 1: have that. You got that. Kane was different. So you're
Speaker 1: saying right now, if God said, listen, Marl, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be straight for the rest of your life, you got
Speaker 1: one beat to produce for one artist. I already know
Speaker 1: what ha to be right now. Who would have to
Speaker 1: be talk lu goddamn it makes him more would like
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, but so gonna say, listen, this
Speaker 1: is the little last bit you can make it in
Speaker 1: the world. You're going straight for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: But he did that already. This is it. You'll get
Speaker 1: one last That's what happened, and you will give it
Speaker 1: to you will give it to al Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: kind of happened already because I don't believe how we're
Speaker 1: living off that. Soon. You don't believe it's good. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be on the Chase. It's gonna be on Chase
Speaker 1: commercial um for the next few months. Right. But you
Speaker 1: know Deadpool too, Wow, wow, working on the soundtrack for
Speaker 1: Deadpool three. Possibly, Come on, bro, you know you believe
Speaker 1: where that that little angle got me. It's it's really different.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful thing. It's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Hip Hop saves lives,
Speaker 1: hip Hop say his last real hip hop says, is
Speaker 1: it is there anything? Um, you will want to like
Speaker 1: you feel like you got left in the game. Um,
Speaker 1: the game could be the game in the game. For me,
Speaker 1: the game is lane. I'm doing something different, but the
Speaker 1: game is like go ahead, you know, um what I
Speaker 1: would like to do. Any music supervisors checking this out,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to I want to score movies.
Speaker 1: You know. I scored like a few scenes for Biggie's movie.
Speaker 1: But um, as you can tell, you know, they had
Speaker 1: had me and missed me. They let me actually do it.
Speaker 1: But um, even in Pops movie, I had like a
Speaker 1: scene or two that we did it for. So I
Speaker 1: would rather get into doing scenes for movies and making
Speaker 1: stuff for movies and theatrical or something like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the music is good. I'm good with the pub pub
Speaker 1: right now. The public. The public is good, Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean the public. I mean, my earlier records don't really
Speaker 1: make pub but you know the popular ones do and
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. It's it's good. It's like we don't
Speaker 1: have four oh one K and pop. But if you
Speaker 1: got your should to be honest, publishing is that I
Speaker 1: just didn't get your ship. You could get a good
Speaker 1: record and then you you'd be surprised. Yeah, it's very
Speaker 1: because it's almost you know, it's crazy, because to be honest,
Speaker 1: if Kanye didn't do that and I didn't have pop,
Speaker 1: it would be a whole different story. If you understand
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's different. It's a different story. Pup
Speaker 1: is important. Anybody out there even wanted to make records,
Speaker 1: make hit records. Okay, mother, we gotta take off a shot.
Speaker 1: Tiger bonus the tradition on the show it's got sorry
Speaker 1: for like this is the second quarter we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: It's not a lot. You know. What's so terrible I've
Speaker 1: wished because Tiger doesn't not go with the one does
Speaker 1: it doesn't know anything though, It doesn't go with the
Speaker 1: one just bust it down? Were bust it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate yours. I think it was well overdue though,
Speaker 1: because you know, yeah, I seen a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of misconceptions about Molly mall out there
Speaker 1: for years, for years, I've been just letting people yap
Speaker 1: and talking. So we quite dude sitting in the back,
Speaker 1: we're just watching it. But we got was one of
Speaker 1: the misconceptions of Marty Mall that you think that happens
Speaker 1: out here. Um. One of the misconceptions, because one everybody
Speaker 1: always thought you on cold chilling. Yeah, anything that was
Speaker 1: was cold chilling, blamed like they always blame. The misconception
Speaker 1: is any artist that ever said, oh, Molly didn't make
Speaker 1: that record, and then they went on to do records
Speaker 1: later and it never sounds like what we did together.
Speaker 1: M That's all I can say. All right, so this
Speaker 1: is out of I like that. She was good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: never get used to bet yourf put the flame right here,
Speaker 1: come out. So how was it being in the game
Speaker 1: back then? You know, you guys, because the people before you,
Speaker 1: the Mellie males, the busy mens, the peers. I'm not
Speaker 1: but what you can see yourself a godfather because the
Speaker 1: father comes us said father, I've had a game changes.
Speaker 1: But that is but the pioneerzs the guys that came
Speaker 1: to America first and sloughtered the Indians. But we we
Speaker 1: didn't have to do that. They came to the architects
Speaker 1: because because like you said, like you guys were the
Speaker 1: first like um, he's uh private jets and showing like
Speaker 1: that as opposed to other people was before who was
Speaker 1: like like they didn't really they said they didn't make money,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was like this is really good though.
Speaker 1: They looked at the cause and and you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like you got your era. You guys are the
Speaker 1: architects of modern hip hop or became modern. Hi the
Speaker 1: change that's going like that because you're right, you know
Speaker 1: they ain't seen niggas at tinter Borrow on two weekends,
Speaker 1: right right, That's that's that's the real talk. That's real.
Speaker 1: And who for those wasn't y'all don't know what tinter burrows.
Speaker 1: That's the private airport. Yes you know what. It's the
Speaker 1: clear port clip board, yes, clear port. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So so we you know, we opened that up. Derek,
Speaker 1: I feel like you want to come over here, brother,
Speaker 1: my cousin, Dirk Deck. That's Jacks. That man. He's a legend.
Speaker 1: He's a legend, man, motherfucker. And you're a legend, law
Speaker 1: And that is what I want. When they tell you,
Speaker 1: let me just tell your mother we hear everybody to
Speaker 1: give our legends they flowers because so many people like,
Speaker 1: we want to give these people they flowers when they
Speaker 1: can smell them, they treats when they hell them, they
Speaker 1: thought so when they could think them, and their drinks
Speaker 1: where they can drink them. So many people want to
Speaker 1: celebrate a hip hop legend. I look at it. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, these people need their flowers while they're here.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Okay, this is the reason
Speaker 1: why people give up the love on the live. No
Speaker 1: way for me to die and say I was the greatest.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah man. And it's your home where you're welcome
Speaker 1: and anybody doing it. I'm that's all we created this show.
Speaker 1: You come up with your movie or your book first,
Speaker 1: because I got a little confused. But I'm working on
Speaker 1: the book to become a movie. But let me just
Speaker 1: tell you it's the jew is it the Juice Crew
Speaker 1: movie that us you should come with first. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest, that's ill. That's the story that the Juice Crew. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, it's that introduces the Juice Crew
Speaker 1: movie might make more sense. I'm doing all like, like
Speaker 1: that's gonna mess with n w A because you know
Speaker 1: why everybody's still here. The movies that were the people
Speaker 1: that are still here is always gonna be the best movies.
Speaker 1: That's why I would saying, you know, you know, go
Speaker 1: to that. And then I introduced the malim just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just just a real fan, like this
Speaker 1: is a real fan and the fan mode. You know
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. I want to do my
Speaker 1: perspective of what I the way I've seen everything. But
Speaker 1: your movie could be called the Juice Crew, right, it
Speaker 1: could be you. I want my movie to be through
Speaker 1: my eyes, why everything was happening, what I was thinking,
Speaker 1: what I was seeing, what I was saying, what everything means.
Speaker 1: You think about it, You're the first riser, like the
Speaker 1: first Daddy, You're the first, you know, the first everybody
Speaker 1: who like has the first WU tank type of that ship.
Speaker 1: That ship came from you, Like, I'm proud that I'm
Speaker 1: from Queens, you know what I'm saying, because and I'm
Speaker 1: proud of that. So you gotta capture that ship. You
Speaker 1: know that Queen. I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: We're living so much of a dumb era. That. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you shouldn't drop the book first. The
Speaker 1: movie might have to come first because they thinks they
Speaker 1: read it. I'm just telling you he's thinking pros, he's thinking,
Speaker 1: he's thinking so herod out here. That's my cousins out
Speaker 1: here in cocaine on the tables like this is it.
Speaker 1: I'm getting there, my wrestler friend from from Baro. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's easier because he thinks dumb in this
Speaker 1: generation might be easier. I'm sorry, I love you. Get
Speaker 1: my audio voe again ready too high audioboo audiobook and
Speaker 1: give them a visual because these niggas is like they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like that. I ain't gonna I don't want
Speaker 1: a vote right now. I don't know. My thing is
Speaker 1: just dumb. The niggas that fun with me. I don't
Speaker 1: know that. I'm just throwing it out there. I don't
Speaker 1: saying it first to make sure it's it's complete, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be honest. Movie, the movie gotta be. You
Speaker 1: gotta answer the show. I'll tell you gonna go right
Speaker 1: with that boy. I'm just telling you that it's easier
Speaker 1: to go. You got favorite and the youth or the
Speaker 1: niggas that funk with us, the niggas that funk with us.
Speaker 1: It's not very smart. I like them. I like, man,
Speaker 1: we're talking like you what, I know exactly who they are.
Speaker 1: I don't think going with it many. I know you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I went to ive that. So you've done everything?
Speaker 1: Uh uh? What do you think about other other producers?
Speaker 1: Like and who was the first person that you saw
Speaker 1: like that? You said, Dad, he took my blueprint, but
Speaker 1: in a good way, like you know, like like the
Speaker 1: next I say, Premier ain't premiere because he personally told me.
Speaker 1: He said, yo, nobody beats the bills. Was kind of
Speaker 1: like my blueprint because you scratched, you cut a hook
Speaker 1: from different parts. So Fresh speaks bis Monkey the Star
Speaker 1: to show he's bus mokey, so Fresh you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I took different parts and was cutting.
Speaker 1: I cut the hook and he was like, that was
Speaker 1: my blueprint. Oh now he's saying, it makes sense, you know.
Speaker 1: And then the other than that was he cut the samples,
Speaker 1: like the samples like right, he would scratch the samples
Speaker 1: to make the hook, and you know, and he said
Speaker 1: he said he first heard that or nobody beats the
Speaker 1: BIS and I'm like, Okay, that's a that's a big honor. Secondly,
Speaker 1: I would say, um, p Rock, I mean p Rock,
Speaker 1: I mean the way he took sampling on on on
Speaker 1: the your machine and equipment that he was using was incredible.
Speaker 1: And the things he was able to do off of
Speaker 1: those little five seven seconds it became incredible. By speeding
Speaker 1: the record up, putting it in fast, and then slowing
Speaker 1: it down getting more sample time. I never thought of that.
Speaker 1: That's almost as dope as Flash with the back spin
Speaker 1: on three revolutions for you know, three level revolutions forward,
Speaker 1: three level revolutions backwards. That's genus. Instead of picking the
Speaker 1: needle up and and and recording it fast and small
Speaker 1: sampling time and then slowing it down, that's genius right there.
Speaker 1: Nobody gives him his credit for that. The last record
Speaker 1: you could produce that you you could be a part
Speaker 1: of that. You you're not gonna produce. You got one
Speaker 1: producer to high hoos y mall get to do it.
Speaker 1: The last b would mix it. Kanye, I thought you
Speaker 1: were gonna say that here, man, he's dope. You know
Speaker 1: what you got? You got overlooked like the last year.
Speaker 1: That's dope. But because but but you know it's production
Speaker 1: and and what he did with sampleman and then started
Speaker 1: pitching things up and can you say, yeah, it's super.
Speaker 1: He took that ship out of this world from what
Speaker 1: I started, if you know what I mean. I brought
Speaker 1: her heir, he brought it hair. Wait what are we
Speaker 1: talking about their fluid again? In the flu so what
Speaker 1: did you just think? I'm so I didn't will be
Speaker 1: that person that makes that last final record for me
Speaker 1: if it was ever to be made, Wow, I would
Speaker 1: let let him do it and I'll mix it down.
Speaker 1: That's gonna happen now for drink champions happen, not his
Speaker 1: last wack. This and this new generation. Who is a
Speaker 1: person that you would work with a new generation the
Speaker 1: future future? Quick? I hear you with Kendricks to Ke Kendrick,
Speaker 1: Ja Cole easy to j Ken already I would lace
Speaker 1: righte at least that would be ho ship. I want
Speaker 1: to I want to do CNN David History. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta talk about Rker's Allen. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because um, I just want I want, I
Speaker 1: just want the fans to know. Um how much of
Speaker 1: a fan I am of you, and what you was
Speaker 1: doing is you know, he was living at a time
Speaker 1: where I could have sampled the record and I could
Speaker 1: have still paid you just from sampling the record, but
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do that. I actually wanted to
Speaker 1: go back in the studio. I wanted to recreate it,
Speaker 1: and I had g Rap. I did. We did everything.
Speaker 1: I don't remember g Rap came to the crib that
Speaker 1: day or if he came later, but I came, I
Speaker 1: went in with you. Is this h I was. We
Speaker 1: did it correctly. You know, it's so weird to me
Speaker 1: and him. We did a lot of records together, but
Speaker 1: we didn't work together a lot until then. Who you know,
Speaker 1: me and you. Okay, you get a lot of records together.
Speaker 1: Like I was like remixing this for y'all, do this,
Speaker 1: and this is me on my own right. But now
Speaker 1: he came back, He's like, yo, I got this check
Speaker 1: for you. You know, it's the crazy ship. I gotta
Speaker 1: say before I get up out of here. A lot
Speaker 1: of motherfucker's I put on. The niggas never cut me
Speaker 1: a check when they got on. Bitch, ask niggas a
Speaker 1: lot of motherfuckers I put the funk on, and you know,
Speaker 1: they got they got any position and they act like
Speaker 1: you know, the niggas never cut me a motherfucker check,
Speaker 1: so funck y'all n get love with that. He got
Speaker 1: in position that came back with the check, and I
Speaker 1: saw niggas want classic because I loved breakers. I was
Speaker 1: so much and when I went into the research and
Speaker 1: it's like, yo, it was you Andy Wrap. I wanted
Speaker 1: to be honest with you both. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I got in a position to do do such
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do it. I wanted to do
Speaker 1: it on my own too, because a lot of times
Speaker 1: we worked before it was through trash and I wanted
Speaker 1: you to know, like I cool, it was kind of
Speaker 1: limited to Yeah, it was because he wasn't around a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was around. No, no, no, no about I
Speaker 1: wasn't Yeah, I wasn't there. Yea, he wasn't. It didn't
Speaker 1: invite me to that session. I've been taking that personal
Speaker 1: for years. Don't worry about that. It's not your big
Speaker 1: thing up. You know, I love him. I speak to
Speaker 1: Compone all the time. Trash, you know what's going on,
Speaker 1: and yeah, man, I just love the history. I just
Speaker 1: love what you did tonight, man, you know, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't hear you talk. A lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd be silent, man, you just watching these mothers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we live in the day at the time. If
Speaker 1: if if you don't actually say, like, if it ain't
Speaker 1: on camera, it didn't even happen. That's why I'm head.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it ain't happen. So well, you got this platform,
Speaker 1: yes man, madness like so many people like I just
Speaker 1: I just think that that's a disrespect to our culture
Speaker 1: when people like the wine listen, listen, one is not
Speaker 1: good unless the ages. You understand what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: we can make a wine right now that is gonna
Speaker 1: be full of sugar, It's gonna be full or whatever.
Speaker 1: But let let's just sit around for ten days, you know,
Speaker 1: and then do that and then you you get to
Speaker 1: see an age and there's no platform for that for
Speaker 1: our culture. So me and my my, my, my friend
Speaker 1: right here, we sat here and said, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's just and we're gonna do it like that. We
Speaker 1: want to salute our legends. We want to salute the
Speaker 1: people that who has been seasoned who's been here for
Speaker 1: twenty years and still the test of time, it's still here.
Speaker 1: And every other culture in the world salutes their legends
Speaker 1: at this time, at this point, Why the fun are
Speaker 1: we the only culture that it says, Okay, you got y'all,
Speaker 1: got y'all, you got up. You know the radio stations
Speaker 1: and all that, but this is our platform that we
Speaker 1: want to salute our motherfucker legends, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And we don't want to do it. Why they come
Speaker 1: on when people is that that's not let's do it
Speaker 1: in your face. You know that you're on the way
Speaker 1: to cats getting the casket before you telling me what
Speaker 1: it is, because you know, sometimes in life, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what the most dishearteness thing is
Speaker 1: about the whole industry that I feel is discredit somebody.
Speaker 1: You know, you put in work, you change the game,
Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna trying to discredit what you're doing and
Speaker 1: going with it histor ahead and history around. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't be seeing you don't be seeing me on
Speaker 1: all these awards shows and all that like you should,
Speaker 1: because somewhere somebody's trying to write around me. That's why
Speaker 1: my story got to be told. That's why I appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys doing what you do, but I appreciate this platform.
Speaker 1: Know your story should be told. It has to be told.
Speaker 1: It's what I mean, Um, you know, me just even
Speaker 1: seeing that this is just a little rock said thing
Speaker 1: and then me knowing I'm just saying, uh, it's just so,
Speaker 1: it's just so much that needs to be I'm saying
Speaker 1: everything you said to me just now. I saw it visually,
Speaker 1: like I literally saw it, like when you said you're
Speaker 1: just the Queen's Bridge Department alone, just on those records,
Speaker 1: like if you're a hip hop storian, and you know
Speaker 1: those records that you just said, and you mentioned that's
Speaker 1: that alone is a movie. Bro. No, that that alone
Speaker 1: is crazy because no one would never know this. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Every everyone everyone thinks that a
Speaker 1: hit record is playing, you know, sixteen months in advance.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know. It's just it's the
Speaker 1: spirit of the moment of the time. And that was
Speaker 1: the testament of what you just said and the craziness.
Speaker 1: A lot of artists don't even know why they're famous,
Speaker 1: and that's the truth. They don't know why the fun
Speaker 1: they're famous. They think they put out of high record,
Speaker 1: but motherfucker used the promotion of the month and and
Speaker 1: and it clicked. People started to like it. Because the
Speaker 1: next month he wasn't the promotion of the month, somebody
Speaker 1: else was, and the next record didn't work the way
Speaker 1: that mean did. So a lot of artists don't even
Speaker 1: realize why the funk they famous, because you know how
Speaker 1: record companies work when we promote this week, but I
Speaker 1: don't give a funk with this artist guy we promoting him.
Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of people don't realize that
Speaker 1: they happen to be in that matrix at the minute,
Speaker 1: because I've seen too many superstars try to make records
Speaker 1: not in the matrix and it doesn't work. I know
Speaker 1: why exactly every record, every successful record I ever made,
Speaker 1: I know why it worked. There's certain elements you need
Speaker 1: to make it work. That's maybe that's why I won't
Speaker 1: make records now, because there's certain elements you need. And
Speaker 1: now it's algorithms right that too, but you know, a
Speaker 1: certain elements you need. You know, artists need the ability
Speaker 1: to make people want to be then unlike them. I
Speaker 1: like what he's wearing. I want to wear that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's not just a record no more.
Speaker 1: It's a little more to it. Anybody can make a
Speaker 1: high record, but do you have the ability to make
Speaker 1: people like you? Do you have that energy to pull
Speaker 1: him in? Even if you make wax ship? Why do
Speaker 1: people like Drake He ain't the best in the world,
Speaker 1: but he has an energy that pulls you in. Why
Speaker 1: do people like Kanye or jay Z or what whoever?
Speaker 1: It's not the music. They have an energy that pulls
Speaker 1: the people in. So it's more than the music. People
Speaker 1: got to realize that it's more than music and kind
Speaker 1: of always been more to music. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you that fly cat, everybody want to
Speaker 1: dress like him, look like and where what you're wear
Speaker 1: like Quam Quam wasn't the illness, but when you're seeing
Speaker 1: qualm with that poker dots, I wouldn't got a poke
Speaker 1: a dot shirt. There you go, hold on little that
Speaker 1: left right, Definitely, I have sixty one that's it. Took
Speaker 1: it off, came back so um. But basically that's what
Speaker 1: it is. You know, it's there's a magic, there's music,
Speaker 1: and there's there's also that that energy to pull people in,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean, certain certain artists have it.
Speaker 1: Certain people have that. You know, people watch this because
Speaker 1: you have that. You know, I want to hear what
Speaker 1: the fun that, nigga? We're gonna say that. Look you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I wouldn't hear that ship. So
Speaker 1: you're pulling them in, y'all pulling them in. So there's
Speaker 1: a certain energy. It's more than what you do. It's
Speaker 1: that energy to be able to pull people in, because
Speaker 1: anybody could do this. But if you don't have the
Speaker 1: energy to make people want to love, fuck you. And
Speaker 1: that's the that's the basic. That's that's just how it is.
Speaker 1: Is there anything Yeah? Is there anything you would want
Speaker 1: to do over anything? I would like to do over whatever?
Speaker 1: When I would do over anything, I would like to
Speaker 1: make kill that noise over damn? What would you do
Speaker 1: differently on that? Yeah? I probably would use different drums.
Speaker 1: I probably use the drums that we just winning on
Speaker 1: because they went with my drums the same way. So
Speaker 1: I would probably would make kill that noise with in
Speaker 1: peace the President drums the same way they did with
Speaker 1: bridges over. That's what that's what I would would do
Speaker 1: if I could turn back the hands of time. Because recently,
Speaker 1: you know, me and Shan got together. We we redid
Speaker 1: the bridge and um and um kill that noise over well,
Speaker 1: you know for movies and stuff. You know, we made
Speaker 1: new masters. We got back together. I got the original
Speaker 1: samples that I use, and we re chopped everything up
Speaker 1: and he did his vocals over wow, and and then
Speaker 1: I was sitting back, would would kill that noise? And
Speaker 1: I swipched, I switched the drums up. I put in
Speaker 1: piece to president drums and kill that noise. That ship
Speaker 1: was so motherfucking hot. I was like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: what I should have didn't begin. But I had so
Speaker 1: much stuff that I didn't rely on my old sound
Speaker 1: like that because I was moving on. And but but
Speaker 1: I wish I would have used those drums. Don't kill
Speaker 1: that noise. Do you feel like y'all y'all lost that battle. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel that people stupid as health were believing in
Speaker 1: them because we never said that and for the record,
Speaker 1: never said hip hop. They never said that hip hop
Speaker 1: started in Queensbury. So I feel like people got bamboozo
Speaker 1: but you know, so good. So that was like the
Speaker 1: first trolling. Yeah, like the first smart on that part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't do that because they you know, it's it's like
Speaker 1: they preyed upon people stupidness. At that point, it looked
Speaker 1: like that if it's on record and strength, right, if
Speaker 1: they played on the stupidness of are you believing in
Speaker 1: that ship because we never said it? It's like somebody like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody like somebody said you said something. You
Speaker 1: know you ain't say it. But you know, whoever gets
Speaker 1: over in man, may people may believe that ship. But
Speaker 1: if you don't say nothing. Now where was your at
Speaker 1: where you found out? Prodigy just pass it? Oh? Man?
Speaker 1: I think I was in Japan. Uh, Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: in Japan. You know, if you know, I'll go overseas
Speaker 1: a lot um. And I always checked, you know, the internet.
Speaker 1: When I wake up and I saw it, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: get the funk out there because because the weirdnesses I
Speaker 1: had just hid in the work with the XPG a
Speaker 1: few days before a few days before he passed. I
Speaker 1: think the show before he went to I think he
Speaker 1: went to Vegas. That show before Vegas, he was with us,
Speaker 1: he XPG uh and and we were taking pictures laughing
Speaker 1: joking blah blah blah. And after they did that, down
Speaker 1: went to Japan and then they went to where they
Speaker 1: was gone, and then I saw it was like so
Speaker 1: crazy because we I just two pictures would do but
Speaker 1: like two days before. But it was crazy to me,
Speaker 1: that was crazy, and I felt that he won't be
Speaker 1: the last one. That's more, you know, you know, it's
Speaker 1: there's more. People are gonna pass. We don't live forever.
Speaker 1: And you know the good thing about you know, hip
Speaker 1: hop and being an artist, it's whatever you do when
Speaker 1: you're alive, it lives longer than you You know, we
Speaker 1: won't be here no more. When people still be playing
Speaker 1: our music, still talking. You know, we're still live after
Speaker 1: we're not here. And that's the one of the benefits
Speaker 1: of being an artist. And you know, it was kind
Speaker 1: of sad because because I just was with dude, I
Speaker 1: just win, just just was with him like two days
Speaker 1: before everything happened. God bless him, God bless him family.
Speaker 1: That's the Peace Prodigy. Yes, we still keep making them beats.
Speaker 1: We need you out here for Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you know we don't let it, don't let it slow
Speaker 1: you down. You know what I mean when um, now
Speaker 1: as did the bridges over the bridge, I'm not over
Speaker 1: skipped to the bridge? Uh? What was it? He had
Speaker 1: put all the artists from Queen's Bridge on there? Okay
Speaker 1: remember that? Did uh? Did you do to be or no?
Speaker 1: He just sampled it? Um? I think was it l
Speaker 1: E s? I think maybe somebody else made the beat.
Speaker 1: But I was on the record. I was on the intro. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: that's what happened. I was. I was part of that, right,
Speaker 1: I was part of ms been looking out, I got
Speaker 1: in front. But you know what I mean, we're from
Speaker 1: two different errors. But you know he always look out,
Speaker 1: you know what saying? Always and you always show love
Speaker 1: every time I see him, So you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, when the torch was passed, they did
Speaker 1: a great job with it. What I'm saying beautiful with
Speaker 1: the music business. With me, I'm not thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I'm on. I'm on technology right now. I got technology
Speaker 1: that's going to change the world. What you mean, come
Speaker 1: on talking changed the world that Steve Joy thinking about? Yet?
Speaker 1: You know man, that of the average with music in life.
Speaker 1: H m h, I got the answer. Cat, you have
Speaker 1: some information? Yeah, yeah, panted, but you know we're working
Speaker 1: on some technology right now. Well do your thing, man,
Speaker 1: do the thing. I can think about putting hip hop
Speaker 1: and it goddamn machine and changed to change hip hop.
Speaker 1: I could do a lot of other things. Well, hell
Speaker 1: you you know what I'm saying. Hell yeah. See me personally, man,
Speaker 1: you know I'm on the quest to have hip hop
Speaker 1: control all aspects of media. Like to me, I don't
Speaker 1: think that if we should wake up in the morning
Speaker 1: and we want to watch a sports show, I think
Speaker 1: that sports shows to be hosted by Jada Kiss. I
Speaker 1: think whenever we want to go watch a weather show,
Speaker 1: that ship should be hosted by Kim Jones. That's what
Speaker 1: I think. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I want to That's why I'm doing this because I
Speaker 1: just feel like hip hop it's about time we control
Speaker 1: all media. And what I mean by that because hip
Speaker 1: hop is his own race. It's not I ain't talking
Speaker 1: the black white I'm talking about hip hop and hip hop.
Speaker 1: So this is the reason why we're doing you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And we're haven't a goddamn fun doing it.
Speaker 1: We want to respect people like you and continue to
Speaker 1: respect people like you let you know you got this outlet.
Speaker 1: It's why the funk open and this is drink chance,
Speaker 1: motherfucking pop. I feel like you got. I feel like
Speaker 1: you got one more thing you want to say. If
Speaker 1: anybody want to get in talk with me, that's um
Speaker 1: at Molly skills okay on Instagram, Okay, DJ all him
Speaker 1: all and you know Facebook stuff. You know if I
Speaker 1: have all these skills on Instagram and and Twitter, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? That your boy ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And he investors that want to get
Speaker 1: some real money get at me because I got that
Speaker 1: technology for that ass absolutely sign that um nondisclosure. You
Speaker 1: know we're up on that, but you know we're there.
Speaker 1: That's what I do, man. The music, the music thing
Speaker 1: is gonna be what it's gonna be. Let these young
Speaker 1: kids do what the funk they want to do, because
Speaker 1: that's how I feel, to nothing, to doing nothing, to
Speaker 1: do what the funk they want to do, because it's
Speaker 1: only evolution, you know what I mean. And let's have
Speaker 1: a good day, that's all it is, and think freely.
Speaker 1: That's real talk to drop from yeah s