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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up Straight FIREAMP. It's me Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 3: Straight Fire for Wednesday, January eighth. We got a great

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Speaker 3: interview today. We're doing heavy NBA. But first before we

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Speaker 3: get to the interview with Ben Garcia.

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Speaker 2: Who's a big Phoenix Suns guy.

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Speaker 3: As the Sons are melting down, we have big news

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. It broke on Tuesday and it's Rob

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Speaker 3: G's Raiders. Somehow, the Raiders decide, oh yeah, well, let

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Speaker 3: Antonio Pierce talk to the media on Monday and talk

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Speaker 3: about next season and all this.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, and then they fired his ass on Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like I gotta give Rob to the floor.

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Speaker 3: I know he's got some hot takes. Gotta be disappointing.

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Speaker 3: This is interesting. Two former linebackers get jobs Patriots with Mayo,

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Speaker 3: Defensive guys and both get canned, but young ish, I would.

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Speaker 2: Say, both probably under forty five years old.

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Speaker 3: Rob, your thoughts on your Raiders firing a guy who

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Speaker 3: you love dearly and Tonia Peers.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why you assume that I'd be disappointed, man,

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Speaker 4: This is like Christmas came late.

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Speaker 5: You know, he came early. It came late.

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Speaker 4: Look, man, I've been on this train basically since he's

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Speaker 4: been hired, but aggressively since September.

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Speaker 5: Antonio appears never said got the job to begin with.

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Speaker 4: He, as I said on this podcast, said on the

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Speaker 4: radio show Fox Sports Radio, He's one of those guys.

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Speaker 5: He's the only one I can think of in.

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Speaker 4: Any major professional sport that got hired strictly off of

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Speaker 4: vibes right because he, you know, is from Compton. He

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Speaker 4: grew up a Raider fan. He drives an old school

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Speaker 4: low rider. He lets Max Crosby smokes cigars in the

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Speaker 4: locker room, Like, oh, well, he gets it, you know,

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Speaker 4: he knows the way. He must be the guy to lead,

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Speaker 4: you know, lead us out of the darkness.

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Speaker 5: And then you.

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Speaker 4: Watch him coach and you're like, well, he doesn't understand

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Speaker 4: when to call time out. He doesn't understand you know,

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Speaker 4: field goals versus touchdowns. And then you watch the guys

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Speaker 4: that he hires and it's like, oh wait, you hired

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Speaker 4: Luke Getze from Chicago, you know, and any Bears fan

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Speaker 4: or any Bears player that's some went on the record

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Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl last year. We're telling you how

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Speaker 4: bad he was as an offensive play caller, and that

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Speaker 4: was your first hire with to hire him, I said

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Speaker 4: back in September, anybody who's actually done the research on

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Speaker 4: Antonio Piers because they say New York Giants linebacker, you

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Speaker 4: won a Super Bowl, Like that's why he's qualified to coach.

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Speaker 4: He has been a coach two other times before he

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Speaker 4: got to the NFL oncet in high school at Long Beach. Polly, Now,

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Speaker 4: I don't know how much you follow high school sports.

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Speaker 4: Your side got a Frey Jason. Long Beach poll is

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Speaker 4: a powerhouse historically in high school football. Antonio Pierce's second

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Speaker 4: year on the job, they missed the playoffs for the

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Speaker 4: first time in thirty six seasons.

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Speaker 4: Then a couple of years later he gets at linebackers

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Speaker 4: Arizona State. He's a defensive coordinator for one year after

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Speaker 4: he gets eventually promoted. The next year he has to

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Speaker 4: resign for recruiting violations. Like, so, you've had two stops

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Speaker 4: now one of them you tarnish the legacy of one

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Speaker 4: other one you go to a mid major for what

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Speaker 4: we'll call it a Pac twelve football team, and the

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Speaker 4: only time you have any kind.

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Speaker 5: Of a modicum.

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Speaker 4: Of success, you have to get you have to get

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Speaker 4: then he gets the Raiders at linebacker's job. And then

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Speaker 4: because Josh mcdown's was such an ass and he was

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Speaker 4: being the opposite of that got him the job, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a weird situation because remember after Pierce

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Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if they come out of

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Speaker 2: this looking good. Now here's the interesting thing, Rob, So

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Speaker 2: the Jets fired their coach early, the Bears fired their

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Speaker 3: Their coach late, later than anyone else. And I wonder

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Speaker 3: would you? Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 5: Why their cap situation?

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Speaker 4: They have like the second most cap space in the league,

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Speaker 4: negative seventy eight million in cap space. So, and Derek

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Speaker 4: Car's already said he's not taking a pay cut.

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Speaker 2: I did see that.

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Speaker 3: Derek Carr, like what I put on tape this year,

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Speaker 3: I'm not taking a pay cut, not a dime less

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Speaker 3: or whatever the great classic quote is. But yeah, it

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Speaker 3: just feels like a tough times for your Raiders. Three

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's even worse than what you say, because,

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Speaker 5: Because they went so hard.

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Speaker 4: You recall, Max Crosby, I believe publicly said if you

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Speaker 5: I think that's what he said, something like that.

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Speaker 4: So because of that, they didn't even bother to interview

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Speaker 4: Mike Rabel. They didn't bother to interview Jim Harbor. Jim

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Speaker 4: Harbaugh from people that I know, was very interested in

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Speaker 4: coming to the Raiders because he has Raiders ties going

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Speaker 5: You know, some talent on the roster.

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Speaker 4: I believe you even said on this podcast that you

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Speaker 4: and you're like, hey, we got something cooking here. You

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Speaker 4: of course they end up being even worse this year.

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Speaker 4: So to your point about Tom Brady, though I don't

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Speaker 4: have any sourcing on this, This is just a gut feeling.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they let go of Antonio Pierce unless

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Speaker 4: So I don't think they're gonna go through this whole

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Speaker 5: I think Tom.

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Speaker 4: two that he's like, hey, we're gonna get We'll do

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Speaker 4: the process to fulfill the Rooney rule and so on

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Speaker 3: How about last year when they thought they had Cliff

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Speaker 3: I just I'm sorry. Other than a guy like Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 3: I think sark Let's see how Texas does. But I

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Speaker 3: you know, for multiple reasons. The toughest one of course, is, hey,

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Speaker 3: Like listen, and I know nobody cares about my men's

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Speaker 3: we won the title the first year. Everybody saw us

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Speaker 2: No? Hell no.

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Speaker 3: Now I do know older guys who are saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: So my wife isn't here.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll try to do both, you know, and you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe win two chips or stay fresh or whatever. But like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not running away from the competition, right, I think

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Speaker 3: this Raiders job in that division, man, plus, you win

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Speaker 2: Become the faith of the franchise there. They haven't won.

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Speaker 2: Have they won a playoff game since they got there?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. They made the playoffs once. They played

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati on the road and they lost. And to your point,

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Speaker 4: unless you're going to what the NFC South like, no

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Speaker 4: matter where you go, you're fighting an uphill battle and

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Speaker 4: Bears period.

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Speaker 2: How about the Bears coaching job, Rob exactly?

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Speaker 4: Lions Backer's vikings come on exactly, come on like and

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Speaker 4: even you know it didn't work out this way, but

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Speaker 4: it was the AFC lease for the long So that's

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Speaker 4: why Tom Brady ran through the AFC least. Well, now

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Speaker 4: you had the presumptive MVP in Josh Allen. And if

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Speaker 3: Big NBA talk with Ben Garcia from the Lockdown Sons podcast.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 3: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. A huge Phoenix

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Speaker 2: He's a good player. Good player, he's a good player.

433
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: He is a Listen. This Sun's team has had issues

434
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: with trading and potentially free agency signings. I'm citing Eric

435
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: Gordon last year that didn't work out, but they found

436
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 2: some real gems in the draft over the past couple

437
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 2: of years. James Jones got an eye for that.

438
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just feels like there's just too much talent.

439
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 3: And I know that sounds crazy on a sixteen and

440
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 3: eighteen team, but I mean, Ben, I would almost trade

441
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: some of the talent for role players, Like the ways

442
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 3: Okay See is built.

443
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 2: They've got role players. The New York Knicks.

444
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 3: Hey, we've got our horses, and then they're surrounded by

445
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 3: role players like a Josh Hart would be perfect on Phoenix. Right,

446
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 3: He's gonna do all the stuff that you know, Frankly,

447
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant's not gonna do.

448
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: Devin Booker is not gonna.

449
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 3: Do deflections, hustle, diving, offensive boards, defending anybody like you

450
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 3: need those guys.

451
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that Phoenix has one true role player?

452
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: Is Ryan done there yet? He's so young, I don't

453
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 2: know that you can even call him one. Ryan Dune's

454
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: been awesome. Ryan Dunn defensively. I mean, that's the guy

455
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: that I called out in June saying, please don't trade

456
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 2: the pic draft this guy Tys Jones a role player.

457
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: I would agree with you. The issue is how do

458
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Speaker 2: you get those guys? The problem with the Suns is

459
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: there's and I don't know how I didn't see it.

460
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: It was clearly the fanboy and me and now and

461
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: then I have one of those moments. But when they

462
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: got Bradley Bal, I was like, what, who's stopping this team?

463
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: Good luck everyone else? And then you look into it,

464
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: it's too much redundancy. Kevin Rant, Devin Booker, Bradley Beal

465
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 2: all three guys defensively. KD is still there, but Devin

466
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: Booker has taking a clear step back defensively this year.

467
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 2: Bradley Beal has actually been one of their better defenders,

468
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 2: which is never a good thing. But they're all mid

469
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 2: range jumper guys, and Devin Booker always misses twelve games

470
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: because my hamstring or something stupid. Bradley Beal misses thirty

471
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 2: and KD. I mean he's been mostly healthy for the Suns,

472
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 2: but I mean you are crossing your fingers that guy

473
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: doesn't roll an ankle, because if you do, you're in

474
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 2: the deep pits of NBA purgatory.

475
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 3: So let's get to this Jimmy Butler thing. So some

476
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: of these cap guys have broken down how the Butler

477
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: deal would work. It almost certainly will involve three teams.

478
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: So the Sons would get Butler, the Heat would have

479
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 3: to ship Bradley Beal in a bunch of picks to Miami.

480
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: And then it almost sounds like the Heat coming out

481
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: and saying, we don't want that one hundred and ten

482
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: million dollars on our books for bal So. A third

483
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 3: team would have to be interested in Bradley Beal to

484
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: get him off their plate, because Miami, listen, they got

485
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to disparage Bradley Beal, like I don't

486
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: I think he's better than Tyler Hero. But they already

487
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: have Tyler Hero, you know, like he'd have Hero, and

488
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: they're not, like, we don't want to pay extra money

489
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: for bal So.

490
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Speaker 2: It almost feels like they're saddled with Beal and he

491
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: has a no trade clause, by the way, a no

492
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: trade clause that given how horribly the Sun season has went,

493
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: and especially last where I guess the turn for the worst,

494
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: and especially last night hearing some of Bradley Beal's comments,

495
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about the no trade clause. He had

496
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: mentioned in his presser early in the season when I

497
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: was there that he would just wanted to get back

498
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: to playing basketball the way he plays basketball, and he's

499
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: really excited for this year. That has completely gone out

500
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: the window, especially if you're going to Miami, if you're

501
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: sending brad Beal. And it's funny because you said a

502
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: bunch of picks, but the Sons only have three second

503
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: round picks and one unprotected likely twenty one pick that

504
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: they would have to send in that trade. The Sons

505
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: are trading producer Rob G's son to the Miami Heat

506
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: next year. That's what they're that's what they have to offer.

507
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: So to change those things, it would have to be

508
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: getting another team involved. But the problem with Butler and

509
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: what you're kind of seeing now is he's forcing Miami's hand.

510
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: Now there's this issue with pat Riley. Will he be

511
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: willing to come to his senses or you're willing to

512
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: take bad pr and leave it with this guy for

513
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: the rest of the season. But like ask yourself, there

514
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: are in this current NBA outside of Damian Lillard, stars

515
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: go where they want to go, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant,

516
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: Chris Paul. They force their way out, and Jimmy has

517
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: made it incredibly hard over to just get anything done

518
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,239
Speaker 2: in Miami. So it's going to be complicated. But I

519
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: think this is something that you're alluding to. I'm not

520
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: worried about it not getting done at some point. I

521
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: do think he'll be a son at some point.

522
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 3: Okay, So you know I love a good hot take,

523
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: and part of the reason I haven't mentioned this to you,

524
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 3: a part of the reason I brought you on here

525
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: is because I've got what I think is a potential

526
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: hot take for the Suns. Now you may have covered this,

527
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: but if there's nobody interested in Bradley Beal okay, and

528
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: it doesn't appear to be the case, and Devin Booker's

529
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: only twenty eight, you're not moving off d book Okay.

530
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: Why don't you see if a contender wants Kevin Durant,

531
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: like you said, he's hurt every year. He I believe

532
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: is thirty five years old. I'm a big Kevin Durant.

533
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: I think he's immensely talented.

534
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, top twenty player all time, could sniff

535
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Speaker 3: top ten.

536
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: Depending on how you break it down.

537
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Speaker 3: But Durant still got a bunch of good years left

538
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: at playing fifty to sixty games this season and in

539
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: the postseason. You know anybody could use it. Why don't

540
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 3: you see who would take Kevin Durant? And then you

541
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: just say, you know what, We're gonna go role players.

542
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: We're gonna start to build it. We got d book

543
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: for at least three or four more core years. We

544
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 3: ride out the Beal thing and we we just deal

545
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: with it because we're not winning a title. We're not

546
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: competing for a title. I don't think we're getting out

547
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: of the first round. And Kevin Durant is the best

548
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 3: player that anybody would want. I think you can't move

549
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: off Booker. So I would advocate seeing if KD would

550
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: go to a contender and seeing if you could get

551
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: Now listen, I would not want to trade him to

552
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: say Golden State for Kuminga and picks and pods and

553
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: all these guys, but there has to be a contender

554
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: that would want to get into Kevin Durant business.

555
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you're wrong. However, I was holding

556
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: onto this in the back of my head. You said

557
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: you were a big Kevin Durant fan. I'm not so

558
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: sure Kevin Dan I big fan. No, I'm not so sure.

559
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant is a big fan of Jason Macketty. Now

560
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: that's given some of the things that we've seen. You're

561
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: not wrong. This is something I had advocated for. I

562
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: pushed the panic button as soon as they got swept.

563
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: I went on the air. I was filling in for

564
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: my guy Jody Aylor that day, and I said it

565
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: is time to push the panic button on this eject

566
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant. Get what you can get from I even

567
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: loft it out the idea of see what you can

568
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: get for Devin Booker. But don't do it if you

569
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: don't have to. The issue is teams aren't willing to

570
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: normally give up more than they would in the offseason.

571
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: What's Kevin Durant worth right now? Is he worth your

572
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: four first round picks from the Houston Rockets that they

573
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: have or however, many picks that they have that are

574
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: actually the Suns picks that they traded for with the Nets.

575
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: Teams don't usually do these kind of deals and give

576
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: up a boatload in the season. So I agree with you,

577
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: especially with how poor it's gone, and let's say Butler

578
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. I don't think it's a terrible take to

579
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: potentially move on from Kevin Durant. He might not like that,

580
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: but at this point you've invested so much you might

581
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: just need to hit the self destruct button and get

582
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: back what you can get back. But I'm gonna be

583
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: honest with you, man, I don't know how much of

584
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: the market is going to be out there for Kevin

585
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: Durant to make it worth your while right now and

586
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: going in and going into but in the off season

587
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: when this probably doesn't work if they get Butler, if

588
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: they don't get Butler, yeah, you're likely blowing it up.

589
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: My only problem in the offseason is you're not getting

590
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: as much ROI whereas now. And I'm bummed you mentioned

591
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: this team. I thought I had like an ace of

592
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 3: my sleeve. So there's a surprise team in the West,

593
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: the Houston Rockets at twenty three and twelve look great.

594
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: Who's their best player in a big spot in a

595
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: playoff series, on a big fourth quarter of every game

596
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: in the first round. Who do you go to when

597
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: you need a bucket and the defenses are tight?

598
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: Can you count on Shengoon? Jalen green Is? Can he

599
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: play in a half court in the playoffs? We don't know.

600
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: So I would go to.

601
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: Houston and say, hey man, give me some picks. And

602
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: I like what I see for Breed Shepard. I like

603
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: Amen Thompson, Cam Whitmore. I think Houston starved. When was

604
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: the last time they went to the finals? Was it

605
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: with Elijah want And like way back when in the

606
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: middlewa it would have to be back there because they

607
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: didn't get it. Didn't go with No, They didn't go

608
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: with Tracey McGrady and Yaoming either.

609
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Frank Houston, can you convince them? Hey man,

610
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: you put kd on that team?

611
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, I would target defensive guys

612
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: from the Rockets. I don't know that shan Gun is

613
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: in a good enough defender and they probably wouldn't give him.

614
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 2: They wouldn't give up Shangoon.

615
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: But I like the young guys. Give me young wings

616
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: Thompson Whitmore. I really am bullish on Reed Shepherd. He

617
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: hasn't done much yet this year. He's just got sent

618
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: to the G League last night. Yeah, which is a

619
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: little disappointing, but that's buying an asset low I like him.

620
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: Are any other teams that jump out at you that

621
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: you think would get involved with Kevin Durant?

622
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: We know Daryl Morey loves a good star. I don't

623
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: know that there's enough basketballs to go around with Paul

624
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: George embiid MAXI. I think the Warriors to a piece,

625
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: Curry are always going to be floating out there, but

626
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: Draymond's still there. That seems to me unlikely. Any other

627
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: teams that you think could.

628
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: Get in the the Kevin Durant is uh. I'll toss

629
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: out the Indiana Pacers potentially, They've got a lot of

630
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: good players, not a lot of amazing players. Haliburton has

631
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: taken a minor step back.

632
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so two teams stick out, but one of them

633
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense because he just left there in

634
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Nets whoever a boatload of picks, but that's

635
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: not happening. The issue is this, I can pull out

636
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: a couple of teams, and there's and there's one in

637
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: particular that I think should call the Suns right now

638
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: and give up the plethora of picks they have. And

639
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: that probably tips my hand a little bit, But it's

640
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: the same thing with Butler. Kevin Durant doesn't get traded.

641
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant trades himself. If you say I go to

642
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: Houston and Kevin says, yeah, go ahead, reach out to

643
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: Houston for me. Tell them I'm not signing extension with

644
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: you this offseason, so don't trade for me, because that's

645
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: what it is. As much as I love the fact

646
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: that Butler could come here because he might just force

647
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Speaker 2: his way to Phoenix and make Miami take their medicine,

648
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: their pride medicine, it's the same thing that can happen

649
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: with the Suns. But let's just throw that all that aside,

650
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Speaker 2: because I do think there is some there is some

651
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: legacy saving which if KAD who is came after me

652
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: you my co host before, if there is a thing

653
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Speaker 2: that I believe that can really save his legacy or

654
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: at least upliftings, I think kd is a top ten

655
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Speaker 2: player of all time. Pat top ten. Yeah, I think

656
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Speaker 2: Kevin RAN's top ten player of all time. Now, I

657
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: just I mean any one of the old guys that

658
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: thinks that they could guard Kevin Durant back in the

659
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: day like that, I don't think that that's even super hot.

660
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: I think at the low he was flirting with top ten.

661
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: But what he's done post Warriors as will well him

662
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Speaker 3: him a little bit himself.

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Speaker 2: Statistically, I think has been perfectly fine. In fact, he's

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Speaker 2: thirty six right now and is still having one of

665
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Speaker 2: his most efficient seasons. Now, team like, no, was it

666
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: very If we're just judging by if we're knocking players

667
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: because of their whatever cognitive ability to pick guys and

668
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: go with them, then you know we're taking out Why

669
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Speaker 2: the heck would you leave Steph Curry for Kyrie? Why

670
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: the heck would you leave Green Bay for the New

671
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: York Jets? Aaron Rodgers like those are the type of guys.

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00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: But getting getting back to it really quickly. They Oklahoma

673
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Speaker 2: City Thunder make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: The team that's won fifteen straight is gonna, yeah, blow

679
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: up their core. Okay, I gotta hear you. Do you

680
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: do you think? Listen? I was a I watched the

681
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: Sun's team that went sixty four in eighteen and Luka

682
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: Doncic dismantled them. The playoffs are not about who's got

683
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: a really good team. I'll be honest with you. If

684
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: the Suns made the playoffs, there is a little bit

685
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: of belief in me that they could still get through

686
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: everyone just because of talent alone. Listen, Listen, I'm saying

687
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: a little bit sure they're getting out of a play

688
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: in bed. Listen, I'm saying five percent, Like if they

689
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: made it in I don't have I don't have it.

690
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm not This is not like a twenty thirty percent.

691
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: I don't have that much faith. I'm a I'm a fanboy,

692
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: but I like to call myself the self proclaimed voice

693
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: of reason for the Sons and.

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Speaker 3: Cardinals, realistic Sons fan like I'm unfortunately, Well, it's because

695
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: I've been raised watching all these teams for so long

696
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: that I've been known just to expect heartbreak.

697
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's about what stars you have and SGA

698
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: last year, you can argue, Listen, it's another year he's

699
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: gotten better or he's reached his ceiling in the playoffs,

700
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Speaker 2: and Luka Doncic comes as stomping and he beats him like,

701
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: do you really need I don't know. Would you trade

702
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: jadeb or Jaywell, whichever the ones that they go by,

703
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: Would you trade the better Jalen Williams and a couple

704
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: a first, maybe a second because Jawill's got a lot

705
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: of potential in him. For Kevin Durant for this year.

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Speaker 3: I would ask for way more than that. But here

707
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: here's how don't think you get them.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you.

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Speaker 3: I gotta look at the cap situation because they pretty

710
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: soon they're gonna have to pay a bunch of guys,

711
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Speaker 3: including j Dubb.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I think they paid j Jalen the other one.

713
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: They essentially, I think they paid the good Jay Dub.

714
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Speaker 2: They're probably pretty good. But one of them's got, like

715
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: Devin Booker ceiling to him. He's got what one to ten?

716
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Speaker 2: Are they the best in the league? The Thunder?

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00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: No, Boston?

719
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Speaker 3: Wait, oh well, I think Boston won through like seven

720
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: is clearly one, but one through ten?

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Speaker 2: Okay, see, sure it's not even here. Sure, one through

722
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Speaker 2: ten maybe, but the playoffs aren't about you're not playing

723
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Speaker 2: on guy, you're playing seven guys, or your fear of

724
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: the sons you're playing six. So yeah, no, no, I think.

725
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: I think. I still think Boston, but grudgingly so. I

726
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Speaker 2: know Jason Tatum's your guy, but he drives me insane.

727
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, he's already didn't secure the MVP this season already.

728
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: I think he's locked that up. No, SGA win it

729
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Speaker 2: if we're just talking about it through this far, Nicole,

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Speaker 2: j SGA both ahead of us, So we're handing it

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Speaker 2: to free throw merchants now, huh Okay, that's what Jason

732
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Speaker 2: Tatum is. Jason Tatum is a free throw He's an

733
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Speaker 2: awesome three point shooter. I haven't seen him from Shaye.

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Speaker 2: I'm just now man, You and I. You and I

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Speaker 2: could argue, I will I would argue. The Boston Celtics

736
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: winning their championship last year was the first time in

737
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: a decade or so that a team without a true

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Speaker 2: superstar won the finals. Because he was I low. Boston

739
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: Celtics fans like to say, oh, you had the most

740
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Speaker 2: rebounds assist and he had a couple of blocks. He

741
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Speaker 2: was so inefficient that he was so bad or efficiency?

742
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Speaker 2: Why shooting the ball in the he could correct the lineup,

743
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: but the USA basketball team, you was shooting the ball.

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00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: So for international Jalen Brown was. There was so many

745
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Speaker 2: people that Jason Tatum deserves the MVP. Thank god Jalen

746
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Speaker 2: Brown won the finals MVP. Where I was going to

747
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Speaker 2: strangle someone.

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Speaker 3: I think I have to look back because this was

749
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: seven months ago, but I think Tatum led the Celtics

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Speaker 3: in points, rebounds, and assists.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when you're chucking up thirty shots a game,

752
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Speaker 2: I would ray you make two of them. Harsh Tatum,

753
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Speaker 2: I like, listen, Tatum is clearly a one I'm willing

754
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Speaker 2: to admit, especially now. He's better than Devin Booker. I

755
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: was on that especially this year. But like, no, I'm

756
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: not going to sit here and act like he was

757
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Speaker 2: the dominant force of that team during the playoffs. It

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00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: was Jalen Brown who was on another level.

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Speaker 3: A right one, more quick one before we wrap it up,

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Speaker 3: I would consider Denver. They've been kicking the tires on

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Speaker 3: a lot of players. That looks like they're trying to

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Speaker 3: get off of Michael Porter Junior. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: they have enough talent to ship to the Sons, but

764
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Speaker 3: Murray kd and Jokic is pretty formidable.

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Speaker 2: I would ask for.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon Porter and then and picks. I mean, maybe

767
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 3: not Aaron Gordon because he's older, but the salaries do

768
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: have to match, so you're gonna have.

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Speaker 2: To pony up some dudes.

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Speaker 3: Any does Denver do anything? Are you excited about or

771
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: are those picks just going to be so bad that

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00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: who cares?

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00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: No? Because then you get stuck with another bad contract

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Speaker 2: in Michael Porter Junior. And not only that, I don't

775
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: think the Nuggets would do it because not because they

776
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: don't want Kde of course, from a schematic standpoint, you

777
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: want him, but from a team that ownership wise just

778
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: kicked kid Tavia's called well Pope out the building because

779
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: they didn't want to pay the luxury tax. I don't

780
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: think they're going to pay the luxury tax. And I

781
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: think at that point they might be in the second

782
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: apron along with where the Suns and Celtics are now

783
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: because Kevin duran Is he's due for a two year,

784
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: hundred and something million dollar extension in the offseason that

785
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: he didn't sign. This year that he'll he will absolutely

786
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: get because he's handing out money. It would be chasing

787
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Speaker 2: a ring this year.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I'm looking at hoopside pass, the salary breack down.

789
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Speaker 3: Porters only on the on the books for this season

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00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: and then two more. Aaron Gordon is the one who

791
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: got the new deal and he's on until twenty twenty eight,

792
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: two years longer than Porter.

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00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: But mpj's defender. Mpj's on a MAX and he can

794
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: really only do one thing. He's a he's on the

795
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: rookie Max, but I believe he's on the rookie mask

796
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: with Max with escalators, just like DeAndre Ayton was on.

797
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: The issue is with Porter Junior. He doesn't defend. He's

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00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: kind of already redundant to what the Suns have. He's

799
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: really just a jump shooter, one of the prettiest jump

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Speaker 2: shooters in the NBA. But I I don't think, believe

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Speaker 2: it or not. I don't think Denver would do it,

802
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: because then you would because Kevin Durant is not going

803
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: somewhere where he doesn't know as well. He's getting his

804
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: two year, one hundred and ten million dollars extension. Couldn't

805
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: he chase a ring with Denver, maybe they they might

806
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: win it. I don't know.

807
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: I don't think Denver as constituted now is winning the title.

808
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: But with k D, we'll see, and then somebody's gonna

809
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: pay him. Who's close in the offseason.

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00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: No, I don't know if Denver is gonna be willing

811
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: to chase a ring have a super team. See how

812
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: that has worked in Phoenix in the past. Like yeah,

813
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: for a Suns fan, MPJ, maybe not because he just

814
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: doesn't fit what the Suns do when he'd be horrendously

815
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: hard to get off of. He's a Tucson guy. He

816
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: went to U of A right, Arizona costs me so

817
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: much money and back to back tournament. You know, it's funny.

818
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: I grew up a big U of A fan so

819
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: and then I went to ASU, So I've kind of

820
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: switched my fandom. But those Nick Johnson Aaron Gordon years

821
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: where they lost to Sam Decker and Kemba Walker and

822
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: back to back years, you don't know what it was like.

823
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: Ask you want to talk about fandom that has been

824
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: tossed down the drain. I'm watching Sam freaking Decker hit

825
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: three point shots from a different area code, and my

826
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: sixth grade. Heart is shattering in front of my eyes.

827
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Speaker 2: And then the week before that they just beat Duke.

828
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it was that was a whole nother thing.

829
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, Aaron Gordon was on some of those teams

830
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: as well. That was Derek Williams as well the year after.

831
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: But oh gosh, that was a disappointment.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna be awesome, but that whole

834
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: draft was kind of terrible. That whole draft was terrible.

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Speaker 3: It's weird clearly listening and talking to you, Ben, it's

836
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Speaker 3: a tough spot for Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: No easy answer. There's that's another thing too, and you

838
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: have a lot more. You have obviously a very big audience,

839
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: and so I think this is very important. Everyone is

840
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: kind of saying, push the panic button, eject, blow it

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00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: up now, because that's the easy thing to do when

842
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: you're not also on the inside and ESPN. I don't

843
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: like to say this, but it is true. We're in

844
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: the business space. We want to get eyes to what

845
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: we're watching. We want people to see what we have

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00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: to say. Blowing it up sure, like, let's just say,

847
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: but you're not going to get as much right now

848
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: as you likely would in the offseason because teams will

849
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: have more assets available in the off season given picks

850
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: that they'll then be able to trade. But also I

851
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: love Matt Ashbia. I have talked with the guy multiple times.

852
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: Really good dude. That guy is hell bent on winning

853
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: a championship. He is seeing this thing through for the

854
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: end of the year. I would put my life savings,

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00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: which is about this desk and this camera worth, on

856
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: the fact that Matteshbia is not blowing up this team,

857
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: and I would put so much so on it that

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00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: I don't think he will next year. I mean he is.

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00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: He has hell bent on keeping the He wants to

860
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: bring a champion to this team so badly, which is

861
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: awesome because Robert Sarver was so bad at that. I

862
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: think he's just helping.

863
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: Man.

864
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: They're not They're going to see this thing through, which

865
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: is why they are going to do everything they can

866
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: to get Jimmy Butler and ultimately I think land him

867
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: because they are all in on this. Man, they are

868
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: not going to do If you think James Jones is

869
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: pushing the buttons, no, it's it's Mattishbia. It's which I

870
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: feel not too against. I mean, it's crazy. We want

871
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: to see it through.

872
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: I get that, but at some point somebody has to

873
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: be like, hey, man, I know you're a billionaire.

874
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: This isn't working.

875
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: And one of my favorite lines about rebuilding is the

876
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: best time to rebuild is last year. If you wait

877
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: too long, I think the the ROI for KD goes

878
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: way down. Can you get a bidding war at the

879
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: deadline for Kevin Durant?

880
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's gonna be fascinating to watch.

881
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: So Ben Garcia locked on Sun's podcast, Ben great stuff.

882
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: As always, I'm sorry your guy Kyler Murray continues to

883
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: let you down. Oh dad, come on, don't do that

884
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: to me. We were having a good conversation and the

885
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: last time I talked to you, I said, listen, times

886
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: are good here in Phoenix. We'll just beat Geno Smith

887
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: once and oh man, man, you you might have been

888
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 2: right about a lot of things, and I'm not happy

889
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: about it. I'm not happy about it. One mainly disappointing

890
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: from Kyler. But they don't know if you're a baseball

891
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I like JG. I mean, I

892
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: know you're not trying to get football takes out of me,

893
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: but that OC needs to go. I'm praying the Chicago

894
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: Bears hired pets the OC. Yeah, petsing he's the OC.

895
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: And I heard you and Colin talking about it this morning,

896
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: because now that I help edit some of your clips,

897
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: I sometimes listen and I'm like, oh, let's see what

898
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: maybe this will work out? And I heard I heard

899
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: you and Colin talking about this morning, like the laundry

900
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: list of players. I talked about it today on my show,

901
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: The BEng Garcia Show on YouTube, and I was saying,

902
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: this actually sounds like a Bear's hire because he's not

903
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: going to cost anything. The Warren family is going to

904
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: want control, He's not gonna be able to ask for

905
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: any control. It'll soothe all the people in Chicago that

906
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: want an offensive guy so badly. But he also plays

907
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: a defensive style of offensive football, which is run the ball,

908
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: dink and dunk, don't turn it over, don't take shots downfield.

909
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: So I think he he is a real I don't

910
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: have obviously any sourcing on this. I don't cover the

911
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: Cardinals for a particular place right now, but I wouldn't

912
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: be incredibly surprised if they got him because he checks

913
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 2: a lot of boxes and the Chicago Bears are known

914
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: for making bad decisions. I mean, they kept eber Flus

915
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: last year instead of going after Harball. I listen, man,

916
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: I am crossing all my fingers because then you can't

917
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: say it's Kyler that forced him out, because you're trying

918
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: to make it work with Kyler. But yeah, Petsing, Man,

919
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: it's such a Bears higher it actually might happen because

920
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: it's no zero points, zero percent, no way five five

921
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 2: So five times out of a higher pet what Yeah,

922
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: you're saying five times out of one hundred the Bears

923
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: make a bad decision. I'd argue it's more like eighty

924
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: out of a hundred. Eighty The Bears what they are

925
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 2: sounds so insane and I can't I can't believe they're

926
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: giving him a job interview, especially when Rappaport put out

927
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: a young up and coming head head coach, brilliant mind.

928
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, nothing Drew Petsing's offense. Nothing of Drew Petsing's

929
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: offense was creative, and a lot of that goes on

930
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: Kyler unfortunately. Yeah, so boy, Kyler, Murray Brockberty's better, but

931
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: who cares anyways?

932
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: All right?

933
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: Beg Yeah, Rockberty's doing so well? What time is his

934
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 2: playoff game this weekend? Also, Kyler beat him twice this year,

935
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: so easy. Now wait the second one. I don't think

936
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: he played well. It was Josh Jobbs. It's close enough,

937
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: Josh Jobbs, Rockberty. Are you telling me you didn't watch

938
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: a reunion of Josh Dobbs coming to the Desert on Sunday? Ridiculous?

939
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: Didn't watch one play? Have not seen a highlight from that?

940
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: You're not doing You're not doing your job, right, Jason.

941
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: If you're not watching Josh Dobbs pass the ball, I

942
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: don't miss I do not miss having Josh Dobbs on

943
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: the Cardinals last year.

944
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 5: Listen.

945
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: Kyler is obviously an issue right now. But man, have

946
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: you seen what the Raiders rolled out? I mean, I

947
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: know Rob geekin Herris, but they just fired his coach

948
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: and they got Aidan O'Connell and they're winning meaningless games

949
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: like it could be worse. But yeahs, would you like

950
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: to hear about my sun Devils as well? That was

951
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm good on Sun Devil's chatter. Now that's scataboo. Scata

952
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: bo is going to the NFL. I like Corbyn burns

953
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 2: the Dbacks. So I love Dillingham. Dillingham is man. He's

954
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: a I've related him to the Dan Campbell of college football,

955
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: where when I first saw killing Dillingham, I was like,

956
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 2: I'm not sure this is gonna work because this guy

957
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 2: seems like he's so hyped up on fifteen coffee cups

958
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: of caffeine a day and he's not a play caller,

959
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: but he just instills this belief in players like Dan

960
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: Campbell is done and and his ability to get more

961
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: out of players by like belief. This team was pick

962
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: to finish last for a reason they weren't. I now,

963
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: I thought that was a little harsh at the beginning

964
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: of the year. But Sam Levitt, Cam Scataboo and Jordan

965
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: Tyson and they don't even had Jordan Tyson in that

966
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: Texas game. But doing him is a master motivator and

967
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: insane recruiter and he's gonna be here for a long time.

968
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: So there's your there's your Sun devil talk for one

969
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: day and that that's that is the one bright spot

970
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 2: We're gonna win for a second Alma mater.

971
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, congrats on all your success and and hopefully the

972
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: Suns continue to drive traffic and and uh worked your way,

973
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: because man, it is about to get fun for the NBA, Yes, sir,