1 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cutting the Distance. Today we have Chris 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: Parrish back on the show. He may be best known 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: for his ability to call turkeys, but has killed some 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: great Midwest white tails on both public and private land, 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: and I want to pick his brain a little bit. 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: We are actually here today in Kansas at white Tail Camp. 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me, Chris, sir, Glad to be here, 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Glad to be at camp with you. Finally, Yeah, yeah, 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: it's fun. This is my first ever white tail hunt, 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: so we we got to do our first sit this morning. 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: So I'm a bona fide expert at these white tails already. 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: But you know, now we want to cold here in Kansas. 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't think you can get much better conditions. It's 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: been warm leading up to this. We're on the tail 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: end of a full moon. Um cold snap moved in. 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: It was fifteen degrees this morning, so I think yeah, 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: wind chill was between ten and thirteen depending on where 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: you were. Uh. And the wind is always gonna blow 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: in Kansas. That's one one thing guys have to remember here. 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: It's always gonna blow. So no matter what, you're gonna 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: deal with a ten to twelve mile hour wind all 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: the time. So you need to bring clothes that accommodate that. 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: Even if it's hot, the wind blows and you still 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: get cool when the sun goes down. So it was 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: a good, good first morning. Um, things are starting to 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: get a heating up here. Um, you know as far 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: as the rut. So excited. But we're gonna start this 28 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: off like the rest of the podcast. We're gonna we're 29 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna send you some questions here that that 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: the users kind of send us UM and if you 31 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: have questions of your own, please email us at ct 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: D app phelps game calls dot com and will make 33 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: sure to include your questions UM for either myself or experts. 34 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: So the first question we have for you today, Chris 35 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: is where do you determine where to set your stands? 36 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: What what information goes into that? And then um, you know, 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: I think the easy ones always wind um or have 38 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: multiple stands. But what she's looking for as far as terrain, 39 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: vegetation feed, secondary feed, you know all those things that 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: and and kind of how do you you know, put 41 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: your plan together? And then this is where I stand 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: needs to go on the X right, So you know 43 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: that that's kind of a loaded question. Too, because it 44 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: all depends on the timing of the year. So I'll 45 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: kind of stick to what we're looking at right now. 46 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: You know, a dough is always the target when it 47 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: comes to the rut because that's what he's looking for, 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: and she's always going to be in and around food. 49 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: Now when she comes into estrus, a lot of that 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: goes out the wayside. He's gonna push her off somewhere 51 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: and they're gonna spend twenty four to thirty six hours, 52 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: and it's usually gonna be in and away from any 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: other deer. They neither want of them want to have 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: other deer around him because he's trying to run other 55 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: bucks off, and she doesn't want to be around other 56 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: doughs and other deer. It's just, you know, kind of 57 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: the little thing. So but I'm always looking for those 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: transition areas that are leading from betting two feeding and 59 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: that give me the best opportunity to pinch those deer 60 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: down and get them inside a bow range. Now i'm 61 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: gun hunting, I'll open that up a little bit, you know. 62 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: Obviously I'd still like to be in the woods at 63 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: that point, but I'll open it up where I can 64 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: shoot a little longer and have a little more sight 65 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: to see. But when I'm bow hunting, I want to 66 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: try to and you can't always pinch it down, but 67 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: you can always pick the best inside corner or an 68 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: hourglass type shape, or a shelf off of a ridge, 69 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: or a little area where they're gonna cross this ditch line, 70 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: and it's it's real common crossing. It's easy. You know, 71 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: there are lazy like people. They're gonna take the least 72 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: the path of least resistance. So I'm looking for all 73 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: those little things to connect the dots with and hang 74 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: my stand, and I try to hang multiple stands to 75 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: be honest with you. If I can for wind conditions, 76 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: and sometimes they may be a quarter of a mile 77 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: apart only because that quarter of a mile those are 78 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: the two best travel areas. But I can go in 79 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: and hunt one from say, if I got a south wind, 80 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: I can hunt the south side, and I try to 81 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: set it where I can hunt either southwest or southeast. 82 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: I can take advantage of all southerly winds. Same with 83 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: a north wind. I want to be able to take 84 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: advantage of all northerly winds. Those are magic. You don't 85 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: always find that, but that's the kind of thing that 86 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: I look for. And then the other big key is 87 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: just pick out your entrance and exits to those stands 88 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: and be very cognizant that you can get in there 89 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: and out of there as easy as possible without spooking deer. 90 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: It's almost impossible when you're in the Midwest because deer 91 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: everywhere we have a great population, whether it be Kansas, Missouri, 92 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: all over the Midwest, you know, Iowa, Illinois. It's hard 93 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: to get in and out of those places without bumping 94 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: a few deer. But try to be cognizant of it, 95 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: especially walking in fields of the morning. They're gonna be feeding. 96 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: You're probably gonna bust one. It's just gonna happen, But 97 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: try to avoid it as much as possible. And then 98 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: getting out of there and not going through your food 99 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: plots at night. You know, if you can exit, stay 100 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: in the woods, make a loop around. If it takes 101 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: you an extra half mile to get in and out, 102 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: it takes you an extra half mile to get in 103 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: and out, but you'll you will benefit from it if 104 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: you will use those tactics. Gotcha, perfect, perfect answer on 105 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: that one. Um. The second question, UM, what's your preferred 106 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: weather to hunt, and we may be in it. I 107 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: know we've been texting back and forth a little bit 108 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: because you've been you know, bouncing back and forth hunting 109 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: maybe the weekends, long weekends, and you know, you were 110 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: getting excited because we're getting some rain last weekend, then 111 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: getting some wind, and then we're getting a cold streak. 112 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: So if you had to pick kind of your weather 113 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: or or kind of give us a rundown on what 114 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: we can expect, you know, what are we gonna expect 115 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: when it's warmer than average and and no real weather, 116 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, and can then kind of let us know 117 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: what your favorite weather is the hunt. Okay, well, you 118 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: know when it's warm out and you're speaking of the 119 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: rut and let's just say you have temperatures that are 120 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: above fifty, let's say sixty are better you It doesn't 121 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: slow the rut down. People always think, oh, Manda, deer 122 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: just not gonna move. You know, they're not rutting because 123 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: it's too hot. Known and all the rut comes around 124 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: one time of year. Those are going to come into 125 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: estras and they're going to get bread. And your funds 126 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: come almost consistently around the same time every year. That 127 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: means nine of your doughs or bread around the same time. 128 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that there's not late does and doesn't 129 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: mean they're not early doughs. There are, but there's a 130 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: consistent pattern there, so they're gonna breed. Warm weather subdues 131 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: the daylight movement because a lot of it gets done 132 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: at night that you know, are really early in the morning, 133 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: real late in the evening, and they run all night long. 134 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: Because let's just face it, you wouldn't want to go 135 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: sit in a blind or on a tree stand with 136 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: your winter coat on when it was seventy degrees and 137 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: they're doing the same thing. But you know, on the 138 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: other hand, it's the rut. You can't kill one if 139 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: you're sitting at the house. So you need to be 140 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: out there because I've I've literally, I've actually filmed a 141 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: friend of mine shoot one one morning. It was seventy 142 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: three degrees and got up to eighty five and that 143 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: buck came into snort wees and was on fire ready 144 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: to go. So you and it was really early in 145 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: the morning, but you gotta be there. So I always 146 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: hunt regardless of the weather because you have to be there. 147 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: My preference is temperatures in the thirties of the morning 148 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: and warming up to about the mid upper forties too, 149 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: maybe fifty degrees in the daytime. Two reasons why one 150 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: is pretty comfortable to set all day. I love to 151 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: set all day this time of year because you could 152 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: just as easily shoot one at one o'clock in the 153 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: afternoon as you could at daylight or dark. And they're 154 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: gonna move all the time. And they're gonna move all 155 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: the time in that weather, all day long, you're gonna 156 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: see some movement, especially if you're in those little hidy 157 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: holes in those little sanctuary areas where their bucks are 158 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: pushing those doughs back in for for breeding purpose. Yeah, exactly. 159 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: And and there's always you know, if you've got a 160 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: good acorn crop, you're always gonna have some food in 161 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: around there. And to a buck, food is not so 162 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: important that time of year. It's the breeding. But if 163 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: there's food around along with security cover, those doughs are 164 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: gonna be comfortable in there too. So that's my preferred 165 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: weather as far as wind conditions go. You know one 166 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: thing that you know, when I was telling you guys 167 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: early on, the wind's gonna blow in Kansas it doesn't matter. 168 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: It's gonna blow every day, and you wanted to blow 169 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. When you hunt Kansas and the wind 170 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: is dead calm, you're likely not gonna see much go on. 171 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: Those deer need to have a little bit of wind. 172 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: They're used to it. They're used to fifty mile hour winds. 173 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: They will move in it all day long. Provide them, 174 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: provides them a little security exactly, and they're used to it. 175 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: You know, they deal with it every day of their life. 176 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: Here you get to Missouri and you get a twenty 177 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: mile an hour wind, it's subduced a movement a little bit, 178 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: and you don't see it. You don't see the deer 179 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: out traveling long distances like you would normally. It's just 180 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: it's all about what they are used to in their environment. Um, 181 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: So you're gonna deal with wind here in Kansas and 182 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: you want to you you know, I like it. I 183 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: like personally, uh, seven to ten mile an hour wind. 184 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: That's steady because at least you know exactly what direction 185 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: is coming out of you know where it's going. You 186 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: know what that one spot that you're giving away, that's 187 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: my giveaway spot. Something gets down there no matter what 188 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: I've done to be sent free, I'm probably gonna get 189 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: there's a good chance unless I got high skies and 190 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: high pressure and the thermals are rising, I'm gonna wind 191 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: up getting busted. So you know, that's what I like. 192 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: Twenty mile winds. When you get gusty winds can be 193 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: a problem no matter what, because you know you'll you'll 194 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: hear it lay, it'll lay, and it won't hardly be 195 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: any win, and all of a sudden there will be 196 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: a big gust to win well that blows that scent 197 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: in every direction, blows it down, blows it up, blows 198 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: it everywhere, and you wind up getting busted a lot 199 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: more in those heavy winds. But you're still you've gotta hunt. 200 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: You've got to be there. So don't let anything ever 201 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: keep you out of the woods this time of year. 202 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: And you hinted towards a little bit pressures um As 203 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: me and Randy were walking to our stand this morning, 204 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, he had mentioned, oh we got high pressure, 205 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, clear skies, and then we saw a cloud 206 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: start rolling in low pressure. Do you have a preference, 207 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: it sounds like because of um sand and when you'd 208 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: prefer high pressure system, if cold and high pressure. I 209 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: would rather have high pressure anyway. You get a pressure 210 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: that is thirty point one, five, thirty point two and above, 211 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: and you just wind up seeing more deer on their 212 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: feet moving. It just it's just something about that high 213 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: pressure that they move on really good. Deer and turkey 214 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: both are a lot like by as you know, if 215 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: you're a fisherman, uh, fish key in off of weather fronts, 216 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: whether it be a coal front coming in, they may 217 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: feed up heavy just prior to it and then they 218 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: go kind of dormant. Or if a warm fronts coming in, 219 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, they they changed with the pressure. And deer 220 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: do the same thing. Say, for example, uh, you have 221 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: a rainfront coming in. Looks like maybe Thursday we got 222 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: a very small chance for rain. You get that rainfront 223 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: coming in, you can guarantee twenty four hours ahead of 224 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: that rainfront, you're gonna get deer on their feet. They're 225 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: gonna be moving really heavy then and feeding up. It's 226 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: just something that they do. And the same thing with 227 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: this high pressure system. Yesterday it was coming in and 228 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: yesterday evening I got here before you guys did, and 229 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: I hunted and the deer were on their feet moving 230 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: at two o'clock in the afternoon, and that just goes 231 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: to show as that pressure is changing those deer. And so, 232 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: you know, guys that only get to hunt, and we're fortunate, 233 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: we're blessed. We get to hunt a lot more than 234 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: most people do. The guys that only get to hunt. Uh, 235 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: let's say two or three weekends, you know, and you 236 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: can pick your weekends or you can pick your vacation. 237 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: You know. Try to look at that future forecast and 238 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: figure it out and key in on those key times. 239 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: I love three days before a full moon and three 240 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: days or five days after a full moon. Where we're 241 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: you know, three to five days after a full moon now, 242 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: so we're in great shape. And the reason why is 243 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: it just seems like you get that peak activity, that 244 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: got peak roundness of how those deer moving. And with 245 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: that full moon coming in November like it came in 246 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: the eighth, you can always count on any time around 247 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: that fourth, fift six, seventh, and eighth, you're gonna start 248 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: kick off of estra cycle. Those does are gonna start 249 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: kicking off estro cycle. So now you know you've got 250 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: some dose coming in. You've got one coming in here, 251 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: one coming in there. And a lot of times you'll 252 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: get that one hot dough in your area and all 253 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden, that first extracycle and you'll be five 254 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: bucks on her and you get an opportunity at sometimes 255 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: dear you don't even know exist showing up out of 256 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: the woodworks before so and just touch on it. This 257 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: isn't aestion, is my own question. I'm assuming similar to Elk, 258 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: those more mature does come in first, and then it 259 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: kind of is that you know the oldest youngest, and 260 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: then you know some of those you know young doughs 261 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: won't come in until late November, middle of December. You know, 262 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: I've seen in January. I've literally seen when we we 263 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: used to have a dose season in January years ago 264 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: in Missouri, and I have seen some of the biggest 265 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: deer I've ever seen on their feet then because they're 266 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: still looking for that last remaining dough. And that's one 267 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: thing a lot of guys don't quite understand. They think 268 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: the rifle season gets over with and everything's done, when 269 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: in reality, if you've got a good food source, that 270 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: late December hunting can be awesome because those big deer 271 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: are still looking for some from some dose coming in 272 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: and they're keying in on food too, So they're keying 273 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: in on food and does and now you've got the 274 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: best combinations kind of like early season where they're keying 275 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: in on food and it's bed to feed, bed to feed, 276 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: and they're real predictable. They get much more predictable after 277 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: the rut. The ruts phenomenal, but in reality, it's the 278 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: toughest hunting there is because they can be anywhere at 279 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: any time and come from anywhere at any time, and 280 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: you don't they don't even know what they're doing, you know. 281 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: But it's also the time that you go, oh, Lord, 282 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: where that deer come from, you know, and you see 283 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: that two inch and you're like, I didn't even know 284 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: that deer existed. Well, he didn't. He was two miles 285 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: away yesterday and he followed this dough and he ran her. Yeah, 286 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: and we we talked about that a little bit this morning. Um, 287 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, hunting during the rut, like you can have 288 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: trail cams and pictures and bucks that show up routinely 289 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: day after day, and you know, a big buck was 290 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: killed in camp this morning, and you know there's always 291 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: this question, like he's gone, he's gone, you know, because 292 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: it's a rug. But the same thing, you could have 293 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: a picture of a buck that was, you know, at 294 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: a spot yesterday, and he could be two miles away 295 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: and you don't know, you know, And that's that's that gamble. 296 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: You're just like hoping that your best information is leading 297 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: into the best spot, but you don't know if that 298 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: deer is now I ran three miles off chasing the 299 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: dough somewhere, you know, exactly that, And and that's the 300 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: hard part of the rut. But it's also the magical 301 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: time because it exposes more dear more frequently. And I 302 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: think that's the part that I enjoy. I love to 303 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: hear him grunt. I love to hear him, watch him chase, 304 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: love to watch them do their thing. It's excuse me, 305 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of like a gobblin turkey, you know. I mean, 306 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: if he gobblin spitt and drum, I don't really have 307 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: to shoot him. I just want to watch. You got 308 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: the experience just the opposite with deer. I want to 309 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: shoot the deer. Yeah. I think that's what drives us 310 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: to you know, the same thing, the same reason I 311 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: love l hunting, you know, with the boat, you get 312 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: to call those things and interact, you know, the same 313 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: reason we love turkey hunting in the spring, the same reason. Um, 314 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: you know today I've got to sit half of a 315 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: day out of a nine day hunting already, Like you know, 316 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: watching them respond to deer calls, like that's that's the magical, 317 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: the cool part, you know, hearing them make the sounds, 318 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: us making the sounds. You know, shoot, we we rattled 319 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: and just had a deer you know, come running straight 320 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: into the ground. Just that being able to interact versus, 321 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: like you know, rifle seasons and some stuff where you're 322 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: just you know, you're you're kind of just you're you're 323 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: on the sidelines, you know, hoping stuff walks into you 324 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: where a lot of times you're hunting escape routes when 325 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: your rifle hunting and you're hunting like Okay, Joe blows 326 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: hunting over there, and Jimmy Bob is hunting over there, 327 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be right here because everything they screw 328 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: up is gonna come. Yeah, it's a different, smarter, not harder. Yeah. 329 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: Once again, if you have your own questions for us 330 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: here at cutting the Distance, please email us or send 331 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: us a message social media. Whatever, Um, get him over 332 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: to us at ct D at Phelps game Calls dot com. 333 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: Now we're gonna jump in to my discussion with you, Chris, 334 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: and and uh yeah, I remember the first time we 335 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: came out to Kansas. I think you swung by picked 336 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: me and Dirk up from the airport. We're gonna go 337 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: turkey hunting, and um, you know, as we were driving 338 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: to our place here in Kansas, you started to tell 339 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: us a story of the Giant eight. And I got 340 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: to I got to spend some time with you. Probably 341 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: but five or six years ago, now I flew out 342 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: to your house. I killed that deer, So yeah, it 343 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: was probably came out to Chris's place here in Missouri 344 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: and got to got to stay downstairs in your basement, 345 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: and I got to walk by that deer every day. 346 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: And it was this just giant mainframe eight with a 347 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: few little extras. And you know, you have a two 348 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: hundred inchineer two hud plus sitting there next to it, 349 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is where numbers don't make sense. 350 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: Like not talking down on you, but again, but you 351 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: set this giant eight next to this tund engineer and 352 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm like that Dear's bigger frame, bigger, you know, more 353 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: massive everything. Um, So I'm gonna let you go ahead 354 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: and kind of retail that Kansas eight. And the thing 355 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: that I like about this is it is a public 356 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: land Kansas buck with lots of people around. And the 357 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: way you can like give us some of the insight 358 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, I know you had. I want you to 359 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: really touch on like your entrance to the stand, so 360 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, once again you're not trying to sent the 361 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: area up, um, you know, getting away from everybody, and 362 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: it's a lot longer track. Um, go ahead and kind 363 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: of give us the quick and dirty version of that 364 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: Kansas buck and some of the things that that you 365 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: did that that differentiated, you know, what you were doing 366 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: on that piece of public land to be able to 367 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: kill a buck like that and everyone else. Well, you know, 368 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: it all started the year before that when I was hunting, 369 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: actually I was hunting Missouri right a hunting Missouri. I 370 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: had permission to hunt some places up here. Then we're 371 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: pretty close to Missouri border. If you go right over here, 372 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: you're near Nevada, Missouri and some other places. And so 373 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: I had Butler Missouri, and I had permission to hunt 374 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: a couple of places there. So I'd come up and 375 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: I was staying with a guy over near the La 376 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: Sing area. UH, and I driving back and forth, I 377 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: kept seeing these some big deer across the road out 378 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: of this look like sanctuary area. I couldn't know what 379 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: it was. I'm not familiar with the area. So when 380 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: I got back to camp on like the third day, 381 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: and I was not seeing anything I wanted to shoot. 382 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: I was seeing some decent deer, but now they were 383 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: locked down pretty tight, and I just was not being 384 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: patient like I should be, and I had a cameraman 385 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: that was not you know how it can be anyway, Um, 386 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: I went and I asked a friend of mine, Mike Osborne. 387 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, Mike, I said, what is this place over here? 388 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: I said, I keep seeing some good deer come across 389 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: that road. And I said, it looks big, but it 390 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: looks like it's a it's a sanctuary area or a 391 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: waterfowl refuge. He goes it is water refuge. And I'm like, well, 392 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: can you hunt it? And he goes, yeah, he goes, 393 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: there's about seven thousand, seven hundred acres lazy in there 394 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: you can hunt. He goes it attaches to another four 395 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: thousand that you can draw into, which would make eleven thousand. 396 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: And he said, then when you get across the river, 397 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: he goes, there's acres over there that cannot and has 398 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: not ever been hunted. And I'm like, hmm, so I 399 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: guess the people assume those deer never across the river, 400 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm like, that would be an easy assumption, 401 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: but the wrong assumption, you know. So I started looking 402 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 1: at maps, started studying maps, and was pretty intrigued by 403 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: the place. And I thought, you know, if I if 404 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: I draw a tag in Kansas next year, I'm going 405 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: to just devote my time and hunt that. So I 406 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: did draw a tag. Uh, planned out a couple of 407 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: places to look, and a couple of friends of mine 408 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: and I just we all drew and we're all going 409 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: to hunt together, but we're all gonna hunt different areas. 410 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: Obviously it's big. Well, I had my little spot picked 411 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: out that I really wanted to hunt, but I wanted 412 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: to work my way into it. I want to figure 413 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: out kind of what was going on. Didn't realize as 414 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: thick and heavy and nasty and gnarly as it was, 415 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: and and and you could get really deep into it, 416 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, and I didn't realize how much distance there 417 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: really was. So I came in October October the eighteenth. 418 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: I really believe I saw this deer about a half 419 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: a mile from where I wound up killing Hi Matt. Uh. 420 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: It was dark, couldn't really tell big frame giant frame deer. 421 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: You don't see a lot of giant frame deer. Kind 422 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: of thought he was a boot and croco deer, but 423 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: wasn't sure, and uh put it back in my mind. 424 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: I came back on November eight, got here on November 425 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: the eight at eleven o'clock. By one o'clock, I had 426 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: went back in there and had hung a set where 427 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: two rivers and an oxbow lake came together and made 428 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: a big pinch point and uh, long story short, Uh. 429 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: I ran into a fella on my way out that 430 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: was pretty close to the edge, and he kind of 431 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: stopped me, and he's like, hey, buddy, goes, I want 432 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: to let you know. You go back in there. You're 433 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: you're getting close to their bedding area. You're gonna push 434 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: deer out. Well, I don't want to tell him that 435 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: I want to be close to the bedding area. I 436 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: want to be in it if I can, especially in 437 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: the morning. You know, I want the deer to come 438 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: filtering back in. He said, I appreciate it, if you 439 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't come through here the next morning. Well he wasn't 440 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: there because I went through there at about three o'clock 441 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: in the morning. He probably had got out of bed yet. 442 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: And I slipped in there and got in that stand. 443 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: And how I would enter an exit it. You could 444 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: walk along the river, and you can walk right down 445 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: the edge of the river, and chances of you bumping 446 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: a deer or or leaving any scent that's going to 447 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: be a problem. Groundcent, especially if you're gonna hunt multiple days, 448 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: was very minimal. And then and I had the g 449 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: GPS my way in there, because I would have never 450 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: found the stand without a GPS. I just it would 451 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: be too difficult, you know. So I was one point 452 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: eight miles in from where I parked the truck, and 453 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: I would trek in. Then I would just walk a 454 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: straight line from when I got dead even from my 455 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: GPS to the stand. I walk a straight line right 456 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: straight to the stand and get in it. I got 457 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: in it that morning. Long story short, I forgot my 458 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: range finder, forgot my binoculars. I forgot my uh, safety 459 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: rope and safety vest. So but I said that safety rope. 460 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: I had two safety ropes. I just didn't bring my 461 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: safety vest. So I took one safety rope and put 462 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: around my waist, and one safety rope and put around 463 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: the tree and tied it to the tree. I thought, well, 464 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: if I fall, I'm only gonna fall like a foot 465 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: I'll be okay. I got just climb back on the 466 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: stand and be okay. I get in the stand, and 467 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't seeing much of anything, to be honest with you. Uh, 468 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: I saw a dough and a button buck, and all 469 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the button buck was betted down and 470 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: the dough was gone, nowhere to be found. And I thought, 471 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: she's she's coming in. She's left him, and you know, 472 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna happen. And about ten thirty, UM, 473 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: I was getting a little bit antsy, and I had 474 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: a very hard upper respiratory cold, and I thought, man, 475 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: I need to get somewhere and get some medicine and 476 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: get this thing knocked out of me. And uh, I'm 477 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: thinking I'm gonna get down at eleven o'clock, I'm gonna 478 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: go to town, and I'm gonna go buy somewhere and 479 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get me some medicine, and I'm gonna take 480 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of that medicine and come back in and 481 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: climbing a stand. Well about ten thirty, I was looking, 482 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden I saw this formation of 483 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: a big, giant body deer in front of me, about 484 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: seventy yards, and I had a tree in my way, 485 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: so I moved my head to left the tree, and 486 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: sure enough it was this deer. And when I first 487 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: looked at him, I just in my mind went hundred 488 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: and six pointer and I quit looking, got up at 489 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: my stand. He comes in, he gets the twenty two yards, 490 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: I hit a little bit of a limb. I uh, 491 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: liver shot him straight through the liver, went completely through 492 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: the liver all the way, cut it basically in half, 493 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: if you will. And uh, the deer hind leg kicked, 494 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: made a loop and and then ran out about sixty 495 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: yards and stopped and then took off. And I thought, well, 496 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: that's his death run. And I wasn't quite sure he 497 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: was liver shot, but I was pretty sure he's probably 498 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: liver shot because I saw the arrow, especially the exit 499 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: of the arrow and I text a buddy of mine 500 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: and he had just text me, and I wish I 501 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: still I wish I had to save that text because 502 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: his text was, are you seeing anything? And I said, yeah, 503 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty three million blackbirds because blackbirds were 504 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: were migrating and it was just noisy, and uh, he goes, 505 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: I've got bucks running everywhere, chasing does and everything. And 506 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, and he's probably a half a mile three 507 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: quarters of a mile from me, and I'm like, you know, 508 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: it's funny how you can be just a little ways 509 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: apart and and and all the actions over there. Because 510 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: there's one hot dough. And this deer came in the 511 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: morning of November the ninth by himself. He was he 512 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: was looking, you know, he was he was cruising and 513 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: uh any rate, uh, long story short, um. We went 514 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: back in that evening to try to find him and 515 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: took blood for about two hundred yards and it was 516 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: getting dark and I said, let's back out. I'm gonna 517 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: come in tomorrow. I came in the next day, came 518 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: in from from the from the creek side, and walked 519 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: up the creek all the way, wound up. I knew 520 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: he was gonna go to water. That's typical of a 521 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: liver shot deer. You're gonna go to water. He gets 522 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: a fever, he's gonna you know, he's not gonna go 523 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: or if you don't push him. And we probably weren't 524 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: a hundred yards from that deer, uh when we when 525 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: I found him, and uh, honestly, you don't have this 526 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: very happened very often to you. But when I walked 527 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: up to the deer, he grew immensely from and I thought, 528 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: after thinking about it, he was maybe a Boot and 529 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: Crockett type eight pointer. I had no idea it was 530 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: a hundred eighty nine inches deer. He just he just grew. 531 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: You know, he's got forty two inches of mass. He's 532 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: just a giant, really, absolutely a once in a lifetime 533 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: mainframe eight pointer. And you just a guy'll go the 534 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: rest of his life. I've never seen the center of 535 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: that caliber. It just, you know, feel so blessed and 536 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: so fortunate. And then, you know, my upper respiratory condition 537 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: went completely away until I got home, and then I 538 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: got really sick. I got a fever that night after 539 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: I got home, and I'm like, well, now I'm really sick. 540 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: Evidently big bucks for the exactly that's that's a great story, 541 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, And and to ask an additional questions, So 542 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: public ground, maybe you're getting a little more aggressive than 543 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: you would Let's say, if it's private, you're you're getting 544 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: tight to that betting or would you get that tight 545 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: to betting even on private? Yeah, I do. I I 546 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: like to get I like to be in that sanctuary 547 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: of where, uh, those deer are moving comfortably and they 548 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: don't have to go far. A lot of times, you know, 549 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: a deer will bed down and if he pushes the 550 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: dough back in there, they'll bed down. And I've literally 551 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: watched dear bed with a dough for six straight hours 552 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: and never stand up. And if you're not in that wheelhouse, 553 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: when they do get up and they do move, sometimes 554 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: they don't make it a hundred yards. You're not gonna 555 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: be in that zone you need to be in to 556 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: get that deer killed. However, you gotta know that you 557 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: can't you can't hunt those places day in and day out. 558 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: They've got to be key times of the year and 559 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: key conditions, the right wind, and you go in and 560 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: you hunt, and you go in, you hunt with the 561 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: with the plan of being there excuse me all day long, 562 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: because if you're not, you could miss out on that 563 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: five minutes that everything happens, know, and and that's like 564 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. Today, me and Randy elected to hunt 565 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: more of the dark timber and we knew, you know, Randy, 566 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: Randy was tell me, he said, we probably won't se 567 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: as many deer as Chris, and you know, but it 568 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: was a gamble. We're we're trying to hope that we're 569 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: catching a big buck that's you know, peeling off or 570 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: and he said this. His idea was, we probably won't 571 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: see a lot of deer until nine to eleven because 572 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: those bucks are gonna gona be out in the feed 573 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: with the does you know, checking on them, and then 574 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna break off or bring a dough back in 575 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: here where he's like lurking. Uh. You know, Chris are 576 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: gonna see probably more dear because they're out on the 577 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: food to start with, but then after nine ten o'clock 578 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: they probably won't see as many. And so I was 579 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: just kind of curious, how much pressure you know, I 580 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: I guess with the right wind, that doesn't really matter 581 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: how much pressure you put on that betting area, as 582 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: long as they're not winding in and you know, making them, 583 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: as long as you can get in and out there 584 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: without leaving a lot of grounds cent. You know, you 585 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: don't know what goes on at night when you're not there. 586 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: And the more grounds since you leave, you know, you 587 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: get two or three days going in there and and 588 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: and leaving some kind of ground cent. They're gonna pick 589 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: up on it. But it doesn't mean that those deer 590 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: frequenting it. You know, it's the rut that they're in 591 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: there today, they're over here tomorrow, they're back in there today, 592 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: you know. So I think the one thing that the 593 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: biggest takeaway that I have from it, and I know 594 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: that there's some science behind all of it. I get that. 595 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: But in my forty two years and the good fortune 596 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: that I've had, the way the Good Lord's taking care 597 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: of me. On deer, I think sometimes we get too 598 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: worried about spooking, bumping, thinking we're gonna run that deer 599 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: completely out of the country. Those deer lived there. Yeah, 600 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: you might alter their route a little bit, you might 601 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: screw things up a little bit, and all of a 602 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: sudden they will disappear. They'll be gone well, Like, for example, 603 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: today Brian shoots a pushing one ninety deer today. That 604 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: deer has not They have not gotten that deer on 605 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: camera in two straight weeks, and they were getting him 606 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: daily for two straight weeks. They hadn't got him on camera. 607 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: That deer didn't leave the country. He's just off doing something, 608 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: probably getting you know, there's a little bit of a 609 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: low period prior to them really starting to travel hard 610 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: and look for dose and try to find those first 611 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: Deesterus does. And when that happens, you know, sometimes those 612 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: deer are gonna disappear. They're right there, they're not gone, 613 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: and they're just not moving, Yeah, constantly in that same area. 614 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: It's not my story to tells. Hopefully Brian and Randy 615 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: don't get to two upset with me, but I kind 616 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: of got to hear, you know, after Brian texting Randy 617 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: killed the buck and we were kind of going back 618 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: and forth, and Brian was hesitant to come up this 619 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: week because his his camera wasn't you know, producing any 620 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: pictures um and Randy's like, man, I think he's in there. 621 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: He just and come to find out, we got to 622 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: hear the story from Brian this morning, that deer just 623 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: wasn't he was no longer interested in walking in front 624 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: of that camera. He was screting, you know, where where 625 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: the does were, you know, the licks and whatnot. He 626 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: was skirting that area. He was forty yards off. And 627 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: you know that. Now it raises the question, has he 628 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: been there for the last two weeks? He just got 629 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: to the point where he was gonna win check areas 630 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: and he wasn't gonna go in front of that camera anymore. 631 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: So has he been there the entire time? Him? And 632 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: then and then it leads onto the question like how 633 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: much you trust your cameras at some point, like you 634 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: know that deers in the are you just keep going back. Um, 635 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: And sometimes I don't care if it's a silent camera, 636 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't care what it is. You know you're in there. 637 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: Even if it's a cell camera. You know you've left 638 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: excuse me, some kind of scent in the area. And 639 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: the more you do that, the more they will avoid. 640 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not gonna avoid the area completely, they'll 641 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: just avoid that particular little spot, you know. And many times, 642 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: like I was telling you guys, maybe I was just 643 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: telling Dirk actually today, uh, and I drove droving by 644 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: where I was hunting last night, and I'm just off 645 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: of the wheel spot. I looked at it, and I 646 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: don't know why I didn't recognize it when I first 647 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: hung the set, And the reason why, as I hung 648 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: it a little early, there was a bunch of scrapes 649 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: in there on the edge, and I wanted to be 650 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: able to shoot to the edge in case something came 651 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: in there and check a scrape. Well, you can pretty 652 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: much wipe the scrapes out. Now. They're not worried about 653 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: that at all. They're they're checking does they're not They're 654 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: not worried about leaving sign. And so yesterday when I 655 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: was in there, and I've watched several bucks walk this fringe, 656 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: and I looked and I'm like, there's the tree right there. Literally, 657 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: if I would have been in that tree, every deer 658 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: walked within ten yards of that tree, you know, on 659 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: the perfect wind side of it. I just didn't recognize 660 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: that that's where I needed to be at the time. 661 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: And now if I go back in there and I 662 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: tweak that, I'll promise you every deer traveling through what 663 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: he's doing, he is sent checking that open pasture and 664 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: CRP and using the woodline as his travel corridor, and 665 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: he's sent checking that and that's why they're traveling, and 666 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: people don't think about that, you know. Okay, yeah, he's 667 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: left scrapes out here and and those frequent these areas, 668 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have to walk out there and take 669 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: a physical look. He can walk by that, he catches 670 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of the right over, and then he's 671 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: going to go out there. We've seen the exact same 672 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: thing this morning. You know, you talked earlier about ease 673 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: of entrance and exit to your area. So the spot 674 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: me and Randy hunted really easy to get into. Right, 675 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: You're you come from an open field, You're not really 676 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're not intruding a whole lot into 677 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: their area. But we had multiple bucks cruise the fence 678 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: line that we have to walk over because with the 679 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: north wind that we had today, he's able to check 680 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: that entire timber patch without ever going through it. He 681 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: just walks that fence line, strong north wind, that entire 682 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: you know whatever it is, twountered acres a timber in there. 683 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: He can check that whole thing in one run and 684 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: he's off, you know, checking for other does, and so 685 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: we got the same thing. You know, they're they've got 686 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: that line and like Randy said, it's like, shoot, we 687 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: should turn and shoot out the back of the blind 688 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: the way it's it's running right now. But um, we 689 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: did have a couple of good ones coming. But yeah, 690 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: I was it was kind of you know, light bulb 691 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: went off, like how a buck is being very efficient, 692 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, trying to find a dough in because he's like, 693 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, similar to your situation, run a line, check 694 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: a big, big area at once, and then keep moving. 695 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: He can cover more ground and that and that just 696 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: goes to show you too that guys their nose is 697 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: what they live by and and in to fool one's 698 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: nose is is like fool and pin and teller. I mean, 699 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen very often. I mean they just 700 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: don't miss much, you know. And you know you gotta, 701 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta take all that into account. Yeah. Um, 702 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: so my next set of questions for you is what 703 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,719 Speaker 1: can you get away with? You know, I'm an arch 704 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: reol hunter. I always joke. My dad told me I 705 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: was built for archio cunting because you're allowed to make 706 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: noise You're allowed to be clumsy, You're allowed to break sticks. 707 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 1: You know. I come from a family that rifle oil 708 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: hunters where they hunting their white new balances so they 709 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: can feel every stick under their foot. You know, these 710 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: guys are woodsman, you know they're they're silent in the 711 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: woods where it's like I was a little more clumsy. 712 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: So I always wonder like what I can get away with? Um. 713 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: You know I've been able to hut mule deer out 714 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: of a ground blind before. Um. You know, I've hunted 715 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: meal deer and elk on the feet with rifles. And 716 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: you start to learn like what you can get away with, 717 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: what they're gonna pick off when they can see you. Um. 718 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: It's just kind of as a new white Tai hunter, 719 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: I just kind of had some of these own questions 720 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: like what can you get away with as far as noise? 721 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: What you think like scent matters, movement um, and then 722 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: kind of walking the trails into an area because a 723 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: little bit different hunting, um than I'm used to. You're 724 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 1: gonna go sit in one location, You're gonna use that 725 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: wind um. So so in your opinion, what can you 726 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: get away with on noise, scent, movement and your entrance 727 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: and exit to an area, like what will they allow? 728 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: What will they put up with? And then what can 729 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: you get away with? I guess on on all those fronts, 730 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 1: it's always gonna be different, right, But give me kind 731 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: of some generalities on the every every area has it's 732 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, and and the thing is is like when 733 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: you're hunting public land, sometimes you really don't know exactly 734 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: how the deer used the area. You kind of can 735 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: look at the old sign and some of the fresh 736 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: sign and go, well, I think they're using it like this. 737 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: This is logical common sense, if you will, But that 738 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: doesn't mean, you know, this time of year, you can 739 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,239 Speaker 1: you mean, one could jump the fence right here by 740 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: the house and walk right by us. In fact, I've 741 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: pulled in the driveway and had a hundred and fifty 742 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: in deer chasing dough and the side are out here, 743 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, they'll do whatever they're gonna do. 744 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: But in general, scent, particularly out of your stand, when 745 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: a deer gets down wind of you, you can almost 746 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: bet you're gonna get stid unless you have high pressure 747 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: and it's midday or up up in the morning when 748 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: the sun's up a lot of times if he's close enough, 749 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: it'll go over the top of their head. Other than that, 750 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: those thermal start dropping in the evening, you're gonna get busted. 751 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't, you're just the good lords 752 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: just telling you it's you're having a really good day 753 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: because it's just hard to do. And one thing, like 754 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: me and Derek be you know, not knowing how you 755 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: guys do it out here in the Midwest where you know, 756 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: we're like, do we guys bring broadles? Like how are 757 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: we gonna you know, go to the bathroom in the 758 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: stand And then like one thing, I kind of amazed 759 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 1: me and kind of opens my eyes. It's like you guys, 760 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: oh we all just p out of our stand. Yeah, 761 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's like stuff like that where it doesn't 762 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: necessarily make guys that'll that'll that'll look at that and 763 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: be like, oh, you're absolutely stupid, you're crazy. Well, you 764 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: know what, coyotes are meat eaters, right, and coyotes pe 765 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: in the woods all the time, and if it really 766 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: bothered the deer that bad, well all of them would 767 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: be in town. I mean, it's it's not now obviously, 768 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: if you know you asparagus things don't smell right. Um, 769 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: you know, if you're on medication, things don't smell right. 770 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: Doesn't necessarily mean it smells like a human you're injuring, 771 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: but it smells different. You know, it's your human odor, 772 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: and mostly your human odor honestly comes out the top 773 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: of your head and your mouth, and and you know 774 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: that's the thing that really gives it away. And then, um, 775 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, ground scent is another thing. You know, you 776 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,959 Speaker 1: can wear rubber boots. And I was a coon hunter 777 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: for years. A buddy and I we used to coon 778 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: hunt all the way through high school. And you know, 779 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: a dog's got I don't know how many oh factories 780 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: in a deer has quite a bit more than that. 781 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: And you could drop out, you know, you could get 782 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: a brand new pair of rubber boots, wash them down 783 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: and make sure they were clean. The rubber smell was gone, 784 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: and you could drop your dog out and go make 785 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: a loop and never have to call for your dog. 786 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: And pretty soon your dog will be walking your your 787 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: your your foot track back when you're smelling. Because and 788 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: if a dog can do that, a deer can do 789 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: that real easy. Now, you know, I spray my boots down, 790 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: I keep my hunting boots clean. I don't worry about 791 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: whether they're rubber. I don't worry about whether their leather. 792 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: I worry about keeping them clean and keeping them as 793 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: scent free as I can possibly keep them. But you're 794 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: not gonna eliminate it. So that's why entry and exit 795 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: is really critical, trying to keep your ground sent away 796 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: from where most of the deer travel is. So your example, 797 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: walking trails, I try not to walk a trail, especially 798 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: a trail that's getting in and close and maybe getting 799 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: used close to where my hunting areas. Now, if I'm 800 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: five yards off, I may walk it for a little 801 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: ways and then veer off of it, but I try 802 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: not to get somewhere we're a lot of deer are 803 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: gonna now. You get in and around your stand, deer 804 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: gonna frequent it. You're gonna leave ground scent. It's just 805 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: hard to get by without it. If it's moist out, 806 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: get more deer gonna smell. If it's really dry, like 807 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: it was a couple of weeks ago, you watch those deer, 808 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: they'd be they'd be feeding on the acorns you just 809 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: walk through, and they can't smell anything because it's dry. 810 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: A dog doesn't smell good when it's dry, you know, 811 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you go, that's a good quail hunter. He 812 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: don't want dry conditions. He wants moist conditions. His dog 813 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: can smell those. Or you want the absolute best cat dogs, 814 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: you go down to the dry land. You know those 815 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: dogs that contract rye. It's like those are the best 816 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: noses exactly. So the ideal situation would be to approach 817 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: not on a trail, and then downwind of your stand 818 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: location for the wind that day. So let's say we 819 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: have a north wind, your trail should go directly from 820 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: the south into your stand and then that's like your 821 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: best approach and then ideally not be on a trail. 822 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: But there are situations where you're just gonna win, yeah, 823 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: or you just just you know, I mean, there are 824 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: situations where maybe you don't have access to the property 825 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: any other way for your stand location, you just kind 826 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: of you do the best you can um get in 827 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: there is sent free, but you're There's a lot of 828 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: stands that I have that you can't access from the 829 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: down wind side, and one of them is particularly behind 830 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: my house. It is a south wind and type hunting area. 831 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: I do have north wind sets hung. So what I do, 832 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: excuse me, is I walk straight in the least amount 833 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: of traveled spot. And I don't have very many acres there, 834 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: but it's the least amount of traveled spot, and I 835 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: walk straight in and get into the tree on a 836 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: north wind with a wind blowing at my back, and 837 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: I have ultimately my very best hunts on a northerly 838 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: wind in that place behind my house that I ever 839 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: have with a south wind. And I think it's because 840 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: those deer can scent check when they come through there 841 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: everything that is coming from the crop fields, and it's 842 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: it's easy for them to do that. I have way 843 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: more travel on a north wind than I do a 844 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: south wind, And no matter what the conditions are, no 845 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: matter whether it's a rut, no matter whether it's early season, 846 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I always have so I risk it. 847 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: And I think that there's certain times that you need 848 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: to risk it. If you know a deer is there, 849 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: and you know there's a chance, a very minor been 850 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: it's a minor chance that you can get by with 851 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: it and get in there and possibly get a shot 852 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: at that deer. Take that chance and go to it. 853 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: It's worth not being in there at all exactly, you know, 854 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: using elk hunter, and I'm I'm a p on elk 855 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: hunter compared to you and Dirk. I mean, I've killed 856 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: some bulls and they've all been on public land, but 857 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't understand how to. I was always 858 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: stand offish, didn't want to get aggressive, didn't want to 859 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: get aggressive, didn't want to get aggressive. And then when 860 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: I started getting aggressive, I started killing l and I 861 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: started killing decent bulls. And that's when I realized that, 862 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna apply the same tactics to 863 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: elk that I do to turkey and that I do 864 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: to deer. And Dallas Miller a good friend of mine. 865 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: Who is he is? If people knew him and knew 866 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: of him, he has killed some a lot of big 867 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 1: deer in his life, I mean astronomical amount of big 868 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: deer within his life with bow an gunn. But he 869 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: told me one time he goes. The reason why you're 870 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: killing so many up per indeer, you know Boone and 871 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: Crockett type deer. He goes because you're not scared to 872 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: spook him, and I'm not because I only get so 873 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: many days a year to hunt. And when you only 874 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: have so many days a year to hunt. You need 875 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: to hunt, and I'm not gonna do stupid stuff, but 876 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: I will take that chance just to see if I 877 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: can get by with it. And so many times it's 878 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 1: worked out, and so you know, again, don't be ignorant 879 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: about it, but but take that chance, because you know, 880 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: sometimes taking that one chance, you get up hundred seventy 881 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: inch deer on the ground or a hundred fifty or 882 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: the biggest deer you've ever shot in your life. It 883 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: was worth every big And I'm a firm believer. Like, 884 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: there are times where the right decision is to be 885 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 1: a little more conservative and and play it safe. But um, 886 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, as cliche as it sounds, it's like the 887 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: high risk high reward. Um, you know, if if you 888 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: don't take a little bit of risk and gamble a 889 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: little bit, and if you always play it safe, then 890 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: you're never gonna kill anything versus like, yeah, it might 891 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: not always pencil out, but but the you know, there's 892 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: a there's a good likely hood it will, and so 893 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: you take that risk, um, with a little bit, you know, 894 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: and and a lot of times it does pens off. 895 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: But then there are some times you're also accepting the 896 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: fact that it might not pensil out. You know, if 897 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: you tell and you have to know that in your mind. 898 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like investing money, right, you know, 899 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of like starting a business. It's like, well, 900 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: you know I can do this. I might not win, 901 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: but you know I might win too, so or I 902 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: won't have any regrets. Like the other thing is like 903 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: the guy that doesn't never do anything. It doesn't kind 904 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: anything like, man, should I have went in there and 905 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: tried it all? At least the way we hunt, You're 906 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: probably not gonna second because you're gonna And I explained 907 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: that the other night when Randy said, no, we're gonna hunt. 908 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna hunt. We're gonna be hunting on stands. You 909 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,479 Speaker 1: know when when he was talking, you were talking about 910 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: if I see when kind of spot and stalk it. 911 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: You know I have. I have made the mistake by 912 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: not taking the chance with a giant bedded with a 913 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: dough and getting down and slipping in, knowing, knowing full 914 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,959 Speaker 1: and well, I could get by with it and never 915 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: get busted and could have killed big deer that way, 916 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: but talked myself out of it. And I should have 917 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: taken the risk, because at least I I would have known. 918 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: Now I go, I think I could have You know, 919 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 1: I think I could have. Well, I don't know that, 920 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,720 Speaker 1: but I should have taken the chance. Yeah, yeah, all 921 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: good points there. Um, Now that we're in the middle 922 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: of the we're the rut start, I would say middle, 923 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: we're kind of getting into the beginning stages of the 924 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: beginning of the Yeah, yeah, what's your focus right now? 925 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: As far as food? Are you looking if there's food 926 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: plots in the area, are you looking at that secondary 927 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: food kind of how are you going to use that 928 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: food dear advantage? Because obviously we've mentioned we've established like 929 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: Bucks have one thing on their mind right now. They're 930 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: real dumb and they're just looking for dose. They're trying 931 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: to breed as many dose as possible. With that in mind, 932 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: how are you focusing on food? Are you sitting on 933 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: primary food sources, secondary food sources, and and how do 934 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: you use those dear advantage? You know, a big deer 935 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: will follow a doe down I seventy and you'll see 936 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: see a lot of them did on it now if 937 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: you drive down through there. But I don't I don't 938 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: particularly during the rut. Like to be right on the 939 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 1: food source. I like to be just off the food store. Now, 940 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: if you have a lot of acorns, you're gonna be 941 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of the food source, so to speak, 942 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: all the time, you know, and they can get up 943 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: and walk five feet and feed. But let's say there's 944 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: a primary food source. Say there's a ten acre food 945 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: plot or a cut bean field, a cut corn field, whatever, 946 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: that's what I would consider primary food source. That's where 947 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: most of the deer are going to go feed at 948 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 1: some point in time, whether they're there early in the morning, 949 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: or they're there in the evening, or they slip out 950 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: in the middle of the day and they go back whatever. 951 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: I like to be in that transition and those funnels 952 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,320 Speaker 1: or those pinch points leading from the core betting cover 953 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: and let's say betting meaning I don't know if that 954 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: buck is really betting in there, he's got a dope 955 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: pushed in there, what, but it is a betting area 956 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: leading to that maybe fifty sevre yards off of the 957 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,439 Speaker 1: main food I just like that because I catch more 958 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 1: movement and I feel like, again I can catch those 959 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: deer transitioning and scent checking and probably have a better 960 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: chance of getting him killed than waiting for him to 961 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: make a mistake and follow a dough out into that 962 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: food source. So I would rather be there, then I 963 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: would be right on the food. Now, some people don't 964 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: like to They like to be on the food because 965 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: they like to see more, and they like to see 966 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: a lot more deer. But I'm hunting for one or 967 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: two or three particular type of deer, or maybe I 968 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 1: am hunting for one particular deer that I know exists, 969 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: and I know he's in the area, and I know 970 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: I've got a better chance of getting him killed there 971 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: than I do on the edge and atinge point where 972 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,879 Speaker 1: he's got an entire twenty acres of act to deal 973 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: with your like, all right, he's got a he's got 974 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,240 Speaker 1: a specific path he's gonna come. So you can narrow 975 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: that down, especially with a bow. I mean, you know, 976 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: with a bow, you're talking a short range a short 977 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: range weapon. You know, honestly, thirty yards is really probably 978 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: your your key thirty yards and it is your key. 979 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: And at that point, you know, you've got to get 980 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: a deer in a position where you can get that 981 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: kind of a shot. You get on the edge of 982 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: a field A lot of times, you know, he comes out, 983 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 1: misses your seventy yards, starts running a dough around what 984 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 1: You just gotta hope and pray that that dough decides 985 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,240 Speaker 1: she's gonna run right by you, you know, and sometimes 986 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: it works. Now, if I'm sitting there with a rifle, 987 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 1: not problem, come out yards away and we're probably gonna 988 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: have a little tap days going on. But you know, 989 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: with a bow, I try to narrow it down and 990 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: give myself the best opportunity to get that close and 991 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,959 Speaker 1: personal shot. And you know, I was thinking the other day, 992 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 1: out of all the deer that I've harvested over the years, 993 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: probably on a buck, the longest shot that I've ever 994 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: made thirty four yards, and of them are killed anywhere 995 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: from seven steps to eighteen steps, you know, And that's 996 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 1: what you're looking at, and you're not shooting those Most 997 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,720 Speaker 1: of those shots aren't being taken in an open field situation. 998 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: They have been taken into woods where he's got to 999 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 1: walk by you are in that transition area to get there. 1000 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: And that's what I like. I like that up close 1001 00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: and personal action. I like to see his eyelashes. Yeah, Um, 1002 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense versus you know, being 1003 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: out in that open agg versus, like I said, really 1004 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: trying to pinch him down and and get tied on them. 1005 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: So right on the front end of the peak of 1006 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: the rut, let's talk calling whitetail deer strategy. Um, you 1007 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: know we've got our brand new line of calls out. Um. 1008 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: You know, it seems like all the research I've did, 1009 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: all the you know, I've talked to you, I talked 1010 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: to Randy, I've talked to hundreds of callers, Like what 1011 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 1: do you guys prefer? What sounds you know, it sounds 1012 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: like the majority of you guys use grunts, but kind 1013 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: of walked through you know, how you rattle, when you grant, 1014 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: when not to grant, you know, when not to make calls, 1015 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 1: and kind of just your approach to interacting with these deer, 1016 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: you know during the RUTA. Well, you know, I'm always 1017 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,720 Speaker 1: going to have a grunt call. And and as you stated, 1018 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: you guys came out with your your line of deer calls, 1019 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: and I think it absolutely knocked it out of the park. 1020 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean I've I've been using deer calls for the 1021 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: last forty some years of my deer hunting and and uh. 1022 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: I've called in a lot of deer over the years, 1023 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: and it is it is key to know when to 1024 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: call when not to call. I'm not much of a 1025 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: blind caller, um, especially in situations where deer can get 1026 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: down wind of you pretty easy, because a lot of 1027 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,439 Speaker 1: times you'll you'll grunt and you'll you'll put a scenario together. 1028 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: Let's say you grunt a little bit, you snort, weeze, 1029 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 1: like two deer came together. You rattle a deer two 1030 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: yards down the halla hears you, he decides he's gonna come, 1031 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: but he's gonna make a big loop and come in 1032 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: and get behind you. He's gonna, he's gonna he wants 1033 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,240 Speaker 1: to send check what he can't see. Well, at that point, 1034 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 1: unless every all the stars line up, you're gonna get busted. Right. So, 1035 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't like the blind call a lot unless I'm 1036 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,439 Speaker 1: in a position where it's almost impossible for a deer 1037 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: to get down wind, you know, or he's gonna if 1038 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: he gets down wind, he's had to walk by me 1039 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: to get there, you know. So only in those situations 1040 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: will I do that. Now, if you're in a blind 1041 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: situation where you've got everything closed up, and even if 1042 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 1: the wind is wrong and you do circle down wind, 1043 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: a lot of times you're not gonna smell you through 1044 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: that blind so you can kind of get by with it. Um. 1045 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: I also like to compass that with a deer decoy 1046 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: a lot of times because in an open area, you know, 1047 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: like I've got a place just off of a power line, Well, 1048 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: they can come out on that power line two yards away, 1049 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: and even if they wanted to circle down, when they 1050 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 1: get a look at that decoy, okay, that changes everything, 1051 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: right that that whole perspective. Now they've got a visual 1052 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: of what they thought they just heard, just like a 1053 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: turkey looking at a decoy in the field. Then they 1054 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: come up there and they hit on it, you know, 1055 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: and it makes it a little bit easier. But a 1056 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,839 Speaker 1: deer that you're say, you've got a deer that's missing you, 1057 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: that that comes out and they're gonna miss you by 1058 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: seventy yards, that's where that deer call will absolutely pay 1059 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: dividends a lot of times. If he's by himself and 1060 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: he's looking and he comes out and you get a 1061 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 1: visual on him and they're gonna miss you, and they're 1062 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 1: in a position where they have to almost cut the 1063 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: corner and walk down dead down dead, or buy you 1064 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: to get down wind of you. I'm wanna grunt at him, uh, 1065 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: But a lot of times I'll wait too and let 1066 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 1: them get in position. So let's say you got a 1067 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: north south wind like today, and the winds coming straight 1068 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: out of the north, and you've got a deer that's 1069 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 1: basically cross wind of you, so he's straight east of 1070 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: walking to the west, walking to the west. If I 1071 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: think he's gonna obviously get to me, I'm not gonna 1072 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,840 Speaker 1: do anything. But if he's let's say he starts vering south, 1073 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna grunt to him, because if he starts 1074 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 1: vering south and I grunt to him, I'm just gonna 1075 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: him getting behind me and getting down wind of me. 1076 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: But if he starts very north, I'm gonna let him 1077 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,359 Speaker 1: get a little or start starts very north, I'm gonna 1078 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: let him get out north just far enough that when 1079 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,319 Speaker 1: he does want to come and circle down wind, he's 1080 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: got to cut that corner, if you will, as a 1081 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: figure of speech, and he's gonna get too close before 1082 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: he gets down we want to get a shot, or 1083 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,280 Speaker 1: waiting long enough, like if he stays on his perfectly 1084 00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,920 Speaker 1: east to west line. You wouldn't want to call it 1085 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: early because that now it gives him enough time to 1086 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,800 Speaker 1: get behind you, versus if you wait and let him, 1087 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, maybe let's say fifty yards is the right number. 1088 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 1: He's now out in front of you far enough at 1089 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,719 Speaker 1: least now if you blow a call, he's gonna the 1090 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: angle he's gonna take, he'd have to walk back, you know, 1091 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,240 Speaker 1: rack track to get back behind her. So you exactly 1092 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 1: wait until the right time. Exactly things are critical like that, 1093 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: you know. And I'll give you a little example. I 1094 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: shot an eight and a half year old six point 1095 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: was actually a little bump of a seventh point that 1096 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,400 Speaker 1: made him legal. But I killed this deer, I don't know, 1097 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 1: four or five years ago, and I'd hunted him for 1098 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 1: a long time, and and I shot him on October 1099 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,960 Speaker 1: on a kind of a drizzly day, fifty degrees. And 1100 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: that goes to show you, fifty degrees with a northeast 1101 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 1: wind about fifteen mile an hour, we'll freeze you. I 1102 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,359 Speaker 1: didn't wear enough clothes that day, kind of like you 1103 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 1: guys didn't. We didn't wear enough today. So this deer 1104 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: came out followed it he chased the dough and then 1105 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: the dough left him, which pretty common October twenty two. 1106 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: He came out and started making a scrape. Well, I 1107 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 1: let him get pretty into that. Now he's nowhere near 1108 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 1: being able to get down wind because he's the winds 1109 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,960 Speaker 1: coming this way, coming out of the northeast, and he 1110 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: is north and a little bit west of me, not 1111 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: far west, but but definitely straight north of me, about 1112 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty yards, and he's making this scrape, 1113 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: throwing dirt everywhere. I'll let him get in the middle 1114 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 1: of making that scrape, and I just one loud, just 1115 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,320 Speaker 1: grunted hard at him, and he wheeled around and looked 1116 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,360 Speaker 1: and then turned around and just started ripping that scrape apart. 1117 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, he's aggravated. So I grunted again, 1118 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,160 Speaker 1: and he just started bawling up and stiff legged and 1119 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 1: starts walking and starts walking like he's gonna walk this 1120 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: half circle, and I'm like, he's gonna have to get 1121 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 1: all the way over there. So at that point, instead 1122 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 1: of waiting, I didn't elect to grunt again. I snort 1123 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 1: weezed at him to get a little more aggressive. Now 1124 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: we're in CRP. I'm up in a tree, so I 1125 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: can see in the CRP. Good you get on the ground, 1126 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: you can't can't see, you can't see. So I snort. 1127 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,719 Speaker 1: We's at him, and he pins his ear back and 1128 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: just comes straight at me, and I shot him at 1129 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: twelve yards. You know, But that was perfect timing of 1130 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,799 Speaker 1: the calling, knowing I can't let him get any further 1131 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 1: now because if I do, it's just gonna entice. He's 1132 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,359 Speaker 1: gonna get down wind to me. But if I do 1133 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: it now and he does react, he's gonna cut that 1134 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: corner and I'm gonna get him shot before he gets 1135 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: to a point where he and he literally he read 1136 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: the script. Now, that's an eight and a half year 1137 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 1: old deer that nothing in the woods in North America. 1138 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: Isn't he smarter? He has seen it all, done it all, 1139 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: been there and avoided getting shot for eight years of 1140 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: his life. That is saying something, you know, with especially 1141 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,319 Speaker 1: thinking about the eight seasons a gun season he went 1142 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,799 Speaker 1: through in Missouri where you had the Orange Army. You 1143 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: know that to me, although that deer wasn't no big 1144 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,399 Speaker 1: high scoring deer, he was old, he was a beautiful deer. 1145 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: He's a great deer for a six pointer, but in 1146 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: a big body deer. But to beat a deer on 1147 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: his own terms like that. To me, it's just that 1148 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 1: that's what that's hunting deer is all about, you know, 1149 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: it's not always about the size of the deer. Yeah, 1150 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: it's cool to kill those hundred deer. They're are awesome, 1151 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,319 Speaker 1: you know, it's great. We all want to do it 1152 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 1: every year, But in realists, realistically, only a small percentage 1153 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: of those deer ever live long enough or have the 1154 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,239 Speaker 1: genetics to get to that caliber. You know, you've got 1155 00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,839 Speaker 1: three hundred deer on your property and one ever makes 1156 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: it there, Well, what kind of gives you an idea 1157 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,879 Speaker 1: of how many actually get there? Yeah, and then you're 1158 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,399 Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit and and we've even 1159 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: kind of alluded to it. This time is the times 1160 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: we won't call, the times we won't hit that grunt 1161 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: or snort wheezes when that buck is locked down on 1162 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,399 Speaker 1: a hot though you're not. He's already got what he wants, 1163 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,440 Speaker 1: he's visually got He's not going to leave her to 1164 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,359 Speaker 1: come find some buck that's eight hundred fifty yards off 1165 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: of her. Um. So that's kind of that or if 1166 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,719 Speaker 1: the woods are just if the actions they're already, you'll 1167 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: just kind of stay quiet. But if you know, it's 1168 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,799 Speaker 1: like turkey hunting, you know, if if you don't have 1169 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 1: to call, there's no reason to call, you know, and 1170 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,279 Speaker 1: there's a good time to do it and not a 1171 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: good time to do it. And there's also I mean 1172 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 1: same with elk Sam with turkey, there's times where you 1173 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,319 Speaker 1: don't want the critters to know your location. You don't 1174 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,440 Speaker 1: want them to look your way and draw any more attention. 1175 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,000 Speaker 1: So when we see that this morning, there was there 1176 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,960 Speaker 1: were times the call and then when you know, stuff 1177 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: was moving, we knew we didn't want to draw any 1178 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: more attention or you know, screw up the wind. So 1179 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,719 Speaker 1: that's that's a good point on you know what I 1180 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,840 Speaker 1: I this morning, I grunted at that deer that was 1181 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 1: following that dough and he was a shooter buck if 1182 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,359 Speaker 1: he would not been broke up. He was definitely a big, 1183 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,319 Speaker 1: mature five and a half year old deer. I mean, 1184 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: biggest body of deers I probably ever laid eyes on. 1185 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 1: He was a giant of a deer and a deer 1186 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,359 Speaker 1: that needed to be taken out as a big main 1187 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,399 Speaker 1: frame eight pointer. That's broke up. But the cool thing 1188 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,400 Speaker 1: was he was following that dough, and I knew what 1189 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: kind of reaction I was going to get, but he 1190 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 1: was a hundred yards a hundred twenty yards away, and 1191 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 1: I had deer in front of me, but I had 1192 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: everything closed up except for one window because I was 1193 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,719 Speaker 1: sitting in that redneck a Randy's, you know. And uh, 1194 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm not good about setting in blind simply because I 1195 00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 1: can't see her here like I want to, you know. 1196 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 1: But I caught this deer and I thought, well, I'm 1197 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 1: gonna grunt and see what his reaction is, just as 1198 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: I thought, because I wasn't gonna hurt anything, you know. 1199 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 1: And he was following that dough and he was about 1200 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,720 Speaker 1: thirty yards behind her, and I grunted, and he wheeled 1201 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,359 Speaker 1: around and looked, and he turned and started following her again. 1202 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,840 Speaker 1: And when I grunted at him the second time, he 1203 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: never even he never even checked up. He just kept walking. 1204 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that is ninety nine point nine percent 1205 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: of the time. What's gonna happen when you have a 1206 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,439 Speaker 1: buck with a dough. His interest level is on what's 1207 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,440 Speaker 1: in front of him. Obviously, she was getting close, and 1208 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,440 Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna let her get far enough away that 1209 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 1: he couldn't check up lockdown mode. There exactly, there's nothing 1210 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,919 Speaker 1: besides a bigger buck that's walked by him walking out. 1211 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, he could have been betted down in 1212 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 1: some of that thick stuff. And you know they'll let 1213 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 1: you walk right by him as long as she doesn't 1214 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 1: get up. He's not getting up. Well, no, I'm I'm 1215 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,160 Speaker 1: super excited. Um. Like I said, I've never never claimed 1216 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: to be a white doe, but I think I'm gonna 1217 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: like this. Um. It's it's off to a good start already. 1218 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,960 Speaker 1: So we're here in Kansas. We will definitely give you 1219 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,480 Speaker 1: guys an update on the on the next episode. But 1220 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough Chris for jumping on here 1221 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 1: kind of sharing you know what you know about white 1222 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,399 Speaker 1: A very very small sliver you know what we had. 1223 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,239 Speaker 1: We only had an hour to cover, but you know, 1224 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 1: give us a little insight into you know, your white 1225 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: telln knowledge. Um, And I'm excited to spend the next 1226 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,920 Speaker 1: week here and in Kansas with things just heating up. 1227 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: So thanks for coming on the show, and uh, good 1228 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,799 Speaker 1: luck on the on this Hunt. I think we're gonna 1229 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 1: end up with some decent bucks here in camp, all right, 1230 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: Thanks Chris, you bet you, thank you,