1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg's Sound On. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't underestimate President's determination to assert China's control, that 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: we will remain focused on the most serious long term 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: challenge to the national order. It is the US that's 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: threatening peace and stability in the Taiwan straight The fality 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: matters most. Maneuver puts capabilities to advantage. So we can 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Chanloomberg Sound On Politics, Policy and perspective from DC's top name. 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: When you look at Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida, 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: I mean you've got a lot of competition for Donald Trump. 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: There is a lot of excitement around Bront de Santis 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: and he did perform very well in the state of Florida. 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. An 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: Air Force general sees a war with China in just 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: two years, as the Biden administration today says it considers 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: cutting off Huawei from all American suppliers. Welcome to the 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics, as the general's internal memo tells 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: officers to start preparing. We talked with Matthew Kuenig at 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: the Scolle Cross Center at the Atlantic Council Speaker Kevin 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: McCarthy says social security and medicare are off the table 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: in debt ceiling talks? Does that create a path for 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: President Biden? Ahead of their meeting on Wednesday and later 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: the killing of Tyrene Nichols rekindles the conversation of police 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: reform at the federal level. Will be joined later by 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Gwen Moore, Democrat from Wisconsin, with analysis from our 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: signature panel. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: are with us for the hour. US Air Force General 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Mike Minihan says get ready. The head of Air Mobility 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Command writes in an internal memo to his officers was 29 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: obtained by NBC News that the US and China are 30 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: at risk of going to war in two years. You 31 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: can read about it on the terminal. The general says 32 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: he hopes he's wrong, but he has a gut feeling 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: that the fight will happen in when the presidential elections 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: in the US and Taiwan give China the opportunity to 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: make its move against Taiwan. Now. The general is known 36 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: for his motivational speeches. Certainly listened to his part of 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: his keynote here to the mobility airmen attending the Airlift 38 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: Tanker Association conference in Denver, Colorado. This is in October 39 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: of last year. We are the maneuver. Nobody else can 40 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: do it. Too much water, too much distance. Maneuver puts 41 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: capabilities to advantage, so we can kill at scale at tempo. Wow. 42 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: You should see the whole thing. He's striding back and 43 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: forth on the stage, seemingly ad living this speech, remembering 44 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: what we heard from William Burns. Of course, the head 45 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: of the c I a about President She's intentions when 46 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: it comes to Taiwan. Remember back listen, I wouldn't underestimate um, 47 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, President She's determination to assert China's control, the 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: People's Republic of China's control over Taiwan. That was in August. 49 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: As we now find the headline from the terminal again 50 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: and this is an interesting and important scoop here that 51 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: the Biden administration is now considering fully cutting off Huahwei 52 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: from American suppliers. Is this still a cold war? And 53 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: could it turn into a hot one in just two 54 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: years time? As the general is suggesting something we wanted 55 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: to talk about with Matthew craneg Deputy Director of the 56 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: skull Croft Center for Strategy and Security at the Atlantic Council. 57 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: He served in the Department of Defense in the Intelligence 58 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: Community in the Bush, Obama and Trump administrations. He also 59 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: advised the presidential campaigns of Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio. 60 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: Today he gets to advise you, Matthew, welcome back to Bloomberg. Thanks, 61 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: it's always great to be well, it's not every day 62 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: a four star general predicts war in China. Before I 63 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: ask you how or why this leaked? Do you believe 64 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: the general is correct? Well, we don't know. We do 65 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: know that the CIA has said that she has asked 66 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: to have the ability to invade Taiwan by so that's 67 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: become known as the Davidson window. But it could be sooner. 68 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: And I think the general was trying to motivate his troops. 69 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: We might have to fight tonight, and I think he 70 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: was trying to get them ready. If General Minahan knows 71 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: the US could be distracted by the elections in certainly 72 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: the Pentagon the State Department also know this, what preparations 73 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: could they be making to prevent a war right now? Well, 74 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: I think this is the top priority of the Pentagon. 75 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: They're very worried about a Chinese attack on Taiwan. They're 76 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: doing war games, building weapons for this scenario. So I 77 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: think there is a lot of focus on it, and 78 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: I think the comments this weekend we're consistent with that, 79 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: just trying to boost the morale of young troops, letting 80 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: them know this as serious and they need to be ready. 81 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: General Mike Minahan is not the Chairman of the Joint 82 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: Chiefs and not a spokesman for the Pentagon. Uh. It's 83 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: not often, you know, we hear a leak from the 84 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: head of Air Mobility Command, as we are in this case. 85 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: But there's some doozy lines in here. Uh my gut 86 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: tells me we'll fight in telling officers to fire a 87 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: clip at a target and aim for the head. Was 88 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: this made for leaking, I don't think so. I think um, 89 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: it was really intended for an internal audience, you know, again, 90 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: trying to motivate young troops. Uh. You know, this is 91 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: clearly not something that would have come out of the 92 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: Pentagon spokespersonal office. We know that Speaker Kevin McCarthy at 93 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: least he said this before he won the Gavil that 94 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: one of the first things he would do. You might 95 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: remember around the time Nancy Pelosi went to Taiwan, is 96 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: that he, if he became speaker, would bring a bipartisan 97 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: delegation to Taiwan. Is that something you see here? Because 98 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: Beijing is now officially urging him not to travel to 99 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: the island, does that mean we relive this entire Pelosi episode, 100 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: We may go through it again, And uh, you know, 101 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: I think it would be a mistake for us to 102 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: for our senior officials to travel based on where the 103 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party tells them they can and can go us, 104 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: So would be a mistake to back down from that. 105 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: But I think China will will not appreciate the visits, 106 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: so I think it could be another another crisis. We've 107 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: sent billions of dollars in weapons to Ukraine, of course, 108 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: and there's now a debate over what else we may send, 109 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: whether there's going to be money for that, But it's 110 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: increasing calls for restocking our own arsenal. Matthew, what do 111 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: we need to best prepare for a conflict with China? Well, 112 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: Michelle Flournoy, Obama's Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, put 113 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: it well. She said, essentially, what we need is the 114 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: ability to sink the Chinese navy in seventy two hours, 115 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: because in order to invade Taiwan, China would have to 116 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: bring over large numbers of forces on ships, and so 117 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: if we can threaten to sink those ships, we should 118 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: be able to deter China from going in the first place. 119 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: So more submarines, more anti ship missiles, um capabilities like 120 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: that that would make it difficult for China to project 121 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: power across the Taiwan straight Does the act of restocking 122 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: become a deterrent in itself? Yeah, I think having the 123 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: credible strategy and having the capabilities is all part of it. 124 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: And so yes, if China sees that we're buying the 125 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: weapons that we would need, and at some point it 126 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: becomes an arithmetic game, how many ships do they have? 127 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: How many nitions do we need to hold those at risk? 128 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: And if they see we, uh, you know, have the 129 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: ability to deny their invasion of Taiwan, then that would 130 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: make it much less attractive for them to try to 131 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: do so, Matthew, we're having this conversation as Secretary State 132 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: Anthony B. Lincoln visits Israel and major headlines overseas this 133 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: morning as Iran says, one of its ammunition depots was 134 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: attacked in a drone strike that appears to have come 135 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: from Israel. It's unclear some of the details here. But 136 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: as you've talked to me today, what threat is the 137 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: one that keeps you up at night? China or Iran? Well, 138 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: that they're both concerning. You know, there's been a bipartisan 139 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: consensus that we're going to stop Iran from building nuclear 140 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: weapons for twenty years or so now, and time is 141 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: running out. The best experts estimate that if Iran were 142 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: to dash to a nuclear weapons capability, it could be 143 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: there within a couple of weeks. So I think stopping 144 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: Iran is important. But the answer your question, the bigger 145 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: threat is, no doubt China. Chinese invasion of Taiwan could 146 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: mean World War three. Conflict with Iran also serious, but 147 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: not not on the same scale. Wouldn't Iran try to 148 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: capitalize on that? If we went to war with China, 149 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: this could be global pretty quickly. No, that is a danger, 150 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: and of course there's Russia in Ukraine. North Korea is 151 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: still a problem, and so simultaneous conflict is something that 152 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: defense strategist in Washington are thinking a lot more about 153 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: how could we uh you know, deter and if necessary, 154 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: defeat multiple adversaries at the same time. Well, we're not 155 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: ready for that now, are we. No. In fact, Biden's 156 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: defense strategy called for a one war so called force 157 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: Planning construct basically said that we need to be prepared 158 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: to fight one war. And so that makes sense for 159 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: budgetary and other reasons. But uh, you know, the enemy 160 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: gets a vote, and so if we get into a 161 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: conflict with China over Taiwan, uh, you know, I don't 162 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: think Putin or the Ayatolas are just gonna sit on 163 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: their hands. So what do you make of this conversation 164 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill right now about making significant cuts to 165 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: defense spending. This is all, of course, part of the 166 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: debt ceiling debate that I'm Matthew I will not pull 167 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: you into. But it sounds like that conversation, that debate 168 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: could be dead on arrival, considering the trajectory of this 169 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: story that we're talking about global war. Yeah, and in fact, 170 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: most I think there is actually a bipartisan consensus among 171 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: defense experts that we need to increase defense spending. There 172 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: was a bipartisan defense panel a couple of years ago. 173 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: That calls for three to five percent real growth every 174 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: year for the foreseeable future, on top of inflation, and 175 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: we're nowhere near that now with with inflation, you know, 176 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: the defense budget is barely barely holding study. So I 177 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: am worried about these political debates and that they could 178 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: harm our national security. And you're talking conventional weapons here. 179 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: We're talking ships, tanks, airplanes, not cyber, which I find interesting. 180 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: There's no way to get ahead of that right to 181 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: prevent a conventional war by using cyber technology. Well, cyber 182 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: has to be part of the equation, but it really 183 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: complements of these other hard power tools that it doesn't 184 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: really substitute for it. You can't think seventy two or 185 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: the Chinese Navy in seventy two hours using uh computers. Unfortunately, 186 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: you do need missiles and things that that uh, you know, 187 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: can sink shift. He's the deputy director of the Skill 188 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: Cross Center for Strategy and Security at the Atlantic Council. 189 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: And it sounds Matthew like we've got a lot more 190 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: to talk about over the year ahead. Please come back 191 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: and see us again. Thank you, look forward to coming back. 192 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: Matthew Cranig starting things off for us on Bloomberg as 193 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: we assembled our panel. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano and 194 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: Rick Davis are with us now for their take on this. 195 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: Uh Rick, the headline is something more in and as 196 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Matthew just quoted Michelle Flournoy, the U s would have 197 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: to sink the Chinese navy in seventy two hours. We're 198 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: not ready for this, are we well, whether we're ready 199 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: or not. I think one of the other unspoken aspects 200 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: to this in your interview is they're trying to do 201 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: the same thing to us. And they've got hypersonic missiles 202 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: that can take out aircraft carriers, and so that the 203 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: weapons that we would use to take out their navy 204 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: in seventy two hours, whether we have them or not 205 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: right now, uh isn't isn't in a zero sum game 206 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: that they are looking at the same thing saying what 207 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: do we have to do? And of course we have 208 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: the tyranny at distance. They got to cross the Chinese 209 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: Straight and that's a lot of water. We have to 210 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: cross the entire Pacific Ocean and the Chinese Strait, so um, 211 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a really complex problem for 212 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: us to fight a war that far away from our 213 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: own shore, and and and and any idea that we're 214 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: going to somehow do that on the cheap or cut 215 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: the defense budget while we're planning on a war with 216 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: China in three years is sophomoric. So if we're talking 217 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: about this genie lawmakers are certainly having this conversation. Does 218 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: it change the debate over the death ceiling this year? 219 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure it does, except to the 220 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: extent we probably don't see the cuts to defense um. 221 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's important to go back. 222 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: You know, right when the Russian invasion of Ukraine was occurring, 223 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: we had Anthony Lincoln giving a major speech at George 224 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: Washington where he said, you know this, this invasion is important, 225 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: but the greatest threat we face is China and Visa 226 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: VI Taiwan. And so that has sort of remained, and 227 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: you see it throughout Washington. I mean, the reality is, 228 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: you want to get something done in Washington today, frame 229 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: it as you know, confronting China, and it brings everybody together. 230 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: And we've seen that over and over again in the 231 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: last couple of years. So you know, I do think 232 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: we are going to hear more and more about this, 233 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: and what the General is saying is what's being spoken quietly, 234 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: but he said it out loud and it got through 235 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: on social media. But getting back to where we started, though, 236 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: this does change the contours of debate over over defense spending. 237 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: Right when this starts becoming an open debate, the Pentagon 238 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: is going to weigh in on this, along with a 239 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: lot of other experts that that really could make that 240 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: not as susceptible as folks seem to think it is. 241 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: Right now, that's right, I mean, oh sorry, no, I 242 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: was just gonna say totally agree and say, you know, 243 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: now that you have, as you mentioned at the top, McCarthy, 244 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: taking certain things off the table, where does that leave us? 245 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, how do you then ensure that 246 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: the deficit doesn't go up, the debt doesn't go up, 247 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: the debt ceiling gets raised. If you're not going to 248 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: even consider any cuts to defense, and you're not going 249 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: to consider those to the major social programs, where does 250 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: that leave you? The discretionary is not enough. At this point, 251 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: We're going to talk more about this whole thing in 252 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: terms of the contours of the debt ceiling coming up 253 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: a little bit later on this hour, with regard to China, 254 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: Rick Kevin McCarthy promised he was going to make a 255 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: bipartisan delegation trip to Taiwan in one of the first 256 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: things he would do as speaker. I don't know if 257 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: he's going to get around to that. Uh so it's 258 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: one of the first things he does, but that does 259 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: appear to be part of the plan. Is it a 260 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: smart move? Sure he wants to follow in the footsteps 261 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: of Nancy Pelosi's trip there last year. UM, it riled 262 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: the Chinese quite a bit, but I think it did 263 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: a lot for the standing of Taiwan in the world community. UH, 264 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: and certainly brandish what we can that are our priority 265 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: in the in the region. My understanding is he's working 266 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: with defense officials to plan a trip in the spring, 267 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: and UH he certainly within his rights to do so, 268 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: regardless of the bellicost messages coming from uh the Chinese 269 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: government as early as today on on how they would 270 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: oppose that trip. I would say too, he's doing something 271 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: very constructed by creating this this China Select Committee headed 272 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: up by Mike Gallagher. You know, they've been talking about 273 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: this for almost half a decade. UH. We thought we 274 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: were going to see that come to fruition in but 275 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: the Democrats demurred at the last minute. But this is 276 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: a way to unify Congress around the China threat. And 277 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: the China threat is much more than just Taiwan. It's economic, 278 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: it's social. Uh, it has a lot to do with 279 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: other parts of the world's Latin America and and obviously Africa, 280 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: UH and so UH. I think that they are the 281 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: pacing threat to the United States today and and and 282 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: and I think right now starting to get the attention 283 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: it deserves. Well, Rick is right about all of that, Genie. 284 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: The economic side of this is huge, and news today 285 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: that the Biden team is considering fully cutting off Huahwei 286 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: from US suppliers gives us a sense of at least 287 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: the direction of what this relationship is going. And it's 288 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: not getting any better. It is not. And you know, 289 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: I agree with Rick on the constructive aspect of the committee. 290 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: Where I disagree is the same place I disagreed last 291 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: year when Nancy Pelosi went there. You know, the question 292 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: has always been what are we getting out of these visits? 293 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: You know, she went against the advice of most of 294 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: the foreign policy community in d C. And elsewhere he 295 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: will likely go. He is working with the Pentagon, as 296 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: Rick said, but how does that achieve our objectives? And 297 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: let's not forget the major military exercises that ensued after 298 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: she went. It is a dangerous game. Yeah, they circled 299 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: Taiwan within hours. I'll be very curious to see if 300 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: this is a bipartisan trip which Democrats go on the trip. 301 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: Thanks to Matthew Cranig and our panel, Rick and Genie 302 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: are back with more straight head on sound on. This 303 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with 304 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Republicans in the House say 305 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: they want budget cuts in return for raising the debt ceiling, 306 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: but Social Security and Medicare will apparently not be among them. 307 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: Speaker Kevin McCarthy said as much on Sunday Morning. This 308 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: is on CBS, Face the Nation. Here he is. You're 309 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: gonna tell me inside Defense there's no waste others. Um. 310 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: I think everything when you look at discretionary is sitting there. 311 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: It's like every single household is like every single state. 312 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: We shouldn't just print more money, we should balance our budget. 313 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: So I want to look at every single department. Where 314 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: can we become more efficient, more effective, and more accountable 315 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: in social security and medicare as well. The one thing 316 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: I want to take We take social comity in America 317 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: off the table. Off the table. Let's reassemble the panel, 318 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: Genie Chance, you know, and Rick Davis for here Bloomberg 319 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: Politics contributors this ahead of course, Jennie ahead of his 320 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: meeting with President Biden on Wednesday. What is the speaker 321 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: telegraphing here? Yeah, I mean I think he's trying to 322 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: take off an issue that would really come back politically 323 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: to hurt Republicans. I mean, we heard Rick Scott speak 324 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: to this during the last election and he got he 325 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: was the best thing that happened to the Democrats and 326 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: they were very excited to talk about and Mitch McConnell 327 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: ran away from it. He's trying to take it off 328 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: the table. But I think the reality is is we're 329 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: going to have to hear then if these are off 330 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: the table, what exactly is on the table. And you know, 331 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: this is where we haven't gotten the specifics from Republicans. 332 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: We also haven't gotten specifics from Democrats as well, and 333 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: you know, as Kevin McCarthy keeps saying they're going in 334 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: to talk about the debt ceiling. The White House is 335 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: very clear to say, no, they're not. It's not the 336 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: only thing on the table. There's a lot of issues 337 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: on the table. So it's going to be interesting to 338 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: see how they sort of massage this. But again, you 339 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: know that reality is they're gonna have to come together. 340 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: If they're going to address the issue of the debt, 341 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: what are they planning on doing in terms of capping? 342 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: Where is that going to go? I thought it was 343 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: interesting that he chose to do the interview at all, Rick, 344 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: I wonder what your thoughts are on that. To sit 345 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: down on Sunday Morning TV knowing the meeting with Joe 346 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: Biden would happen on Wednesday, and then in itself is 347 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: a big optical win for Kevin McCarthy. Why the run 348 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: up in the media. He's been doing some other conservative 349 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: news channels as well, Not that that's highly unusual, This 350 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: is a little bit more unique for Kevin McCarthy. Uh, 351 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: does this help him look better when he walks in 352 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: the door on Wednesday? What's behind it? No? I think 353 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, the White House has already given him 354 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: a win on this by saying they refused to negotiate. 355 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: Just a really intolerable position with electorate, right, who are 356 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: all out there saying, Hey, we want to see you 357 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: guys work together. I mean, if there was one message 358 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: that came screaming across the ballot last last election was 359 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: that they're tired of government not getting things done. So 360 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: he's sitting there by McCarthy saying, wow, they've given me 361 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: the bipartisan uh value of that issue. I'm out there 362 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: saying I want to negotiate with him, and he says, 363 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: no way, I'm not gonna do it. Don't even want 364 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: to talk about it. So he wants to be on 365 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: every single TV show saying, I don't know why the 366 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: president is being so unreasonable. Doesn't he wanna doesn't he 367 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: want to make sure that we have full faith and 368 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: and and credibility around our government spending, And don't we 369 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: really do believe that government spends more money than it 370 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: should and and so he's not gonna offer any specifics 371 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: until the day before a deal is done, because the 372 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: minute he gets into the specifics, he starts losing his base. 373 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: He starts losing people who are saying wait a minute, 374 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 1: We're not gonna We're not gonna cut the defense budget 375 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: at a time when we're in competition with China like this, 376 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: or a war with Russia, you know, in in the Ukraine. 377 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, the minute he starts putting his finger 378 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: on specifics, he starts to turn off voters. Well he 379 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: come out of this meeting Genie, stand at the stake 380 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: out in the White House driveway and destroy the president 381 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: or or might there actually be some progress that day? 382 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: What is the point of these two guys sitting down 383 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: as it getting to know you or actually getting something up. Well, 384 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: the White House is saying they're discussing a range of issues. 385 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's far too early, As much 386 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: as I would like to say that they will come 387 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: out and have moved it forward to have some progress. 388 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: We're in February. We know in Washington things go right 389 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: to the end. So I don't know we're going to 390 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: hear much progress about six months. We had a long 391 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: time to go. You know, I do think he is 392 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: going to keep with this line, and I agree with 393 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: Recky that you know, we want to negotiate. We're here 394 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: to negotiate. But again, I think the White House has 395 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: to be very clear we can negotiate on the budget 396 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: going forward and what we're going to spend. What we 397 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: can't negotiate on is paying the bills that we have 398 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: do and that the Congress allocated and that we owe 399 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: because that would destroy the economy of the United States 400 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: and potentially impact the world economy. So I think the 401 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: White House has to really message on that we're willing 402 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: to negotiate on spending and the budget going forward, but 403 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: not on whether, in fact we raised the debt ceiling. Well, Rick, 404 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: the Democratic line the last couple of days less over 405 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: the past week has become show us your cards, right, 406 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: make make a proposal, give us something to react to. 407 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: And your point is there's no reason for Kevin McCarthy 408 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: to do that. No, look, I mean politically, there's no 409 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: reason to do it. If he actually wants to get 410 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: a deal, sure, then he's got to outline his specifics. 411 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: But you know, they ought to bring Genie in for 412 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: a session with the White out staff because the point 413 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: she's making is actually where they ought to be, which is, hey, 414 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: wait a minute, Republicans in Congress, you said you're gonna 415 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: go through regular order. They're supposed to be twelve appropriations 416 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: bills that you do. That's how you cut spending. You're 417 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: in total charge of this. You don't need us to negotiate. 418 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: Go do your budget like you said you were going 419 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: to do, and that's where you can cut the budget. 420 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: So like, there's actually a really offensive line that feeds 421 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: right into what the Republicans were saying when they were 422 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: electing Kevin McCarthy speaker. You know, if you're the speaker, 423 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: you've gotten charge of the House process. You want to 424 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: you want to do regular order, Go ahead and do 425 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: those twelve appropriations bills and cut all you want. Let's 426 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: see how far it goes. That's right, get back to 427 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: us at the end of the year, Genie. Otherwise, Kevin 428 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: McCarthy is making the swamp even deeper. Right, you just 429 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: want backroom deals around the dead ceiling. Maybe you should 430 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: call the White House with this, Yeah, I will try. 431 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: And you know the other the interesting thing is Mitch 432 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: McConnell is also trying to walk away from this. He 433 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: does not want any part of this. He wants to 434 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: stay far away, and he's basically saying what Rick Jes said, 435 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: which is, you know, House, you have to start the 436 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: appropriations process. You have to do this. You go ahead 437 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: and do it, and when you're done, send it over 438 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: and we'll take a look. And you have Republicans in Congress, 439 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: even those who weren't quite friendly with Mitch McConnell, saying 440 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: why don't you get more involved? But of course he 441 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: doesn't see any benefit to the Republicans in the Senate 442 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: getting involved. So you know, the onus really is on 443 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: Republicans in the House. But of course for McCarthy, he 444 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: wants to keep saying, hey, we're willing to be bipartisan, 445 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: negotiate all these kinds of things. And to that extent, 446 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: he really can feel good and was why I think 447 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: he was out this weekend on on the on the 448 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: news channels, because he can really feel really positive that listen, 449 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to negotiate and I got this, you know, 450 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: visit to the White House. What are the optics of 451 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: this meeting? Uh Rick? Does President Biden serve subs? You know, 452 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: is this like do we try to make this look 453 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 1: like a more tortured affair or do they treat him 454 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: like a king when he comes over? Well, I would say, 455 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: first off, it's real elevation for Kevin McCarthy. I mean, 456 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: here's a guy who became Speaker on the sixteenth ballot, 457 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: right he could he could barely get anybody to vote 458 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: for him, And now he gets to go over to 459 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: the White House as Speaker and have a one on 460 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: one with President United States. So the President is elevating 461 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: him by virtue of the meeting, and I'm sure that's 462 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: why they didn't want to meet with him to begin with. 463 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: But secondarily, I think that the White House has to 464 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: be prepared in advance of the meeting to set the 465 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: stage a little bit. I mean, like the point that 466 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: Genie made is, oh, we got a whole raft of 467 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: issues we're going to discuss, Well what are they? I mean, 468 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: like every other meeting that take place in the White House, 469 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: there's expectations setting this one is seems to be scrambled eggs. Right, 470 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: one minute, they're not going to meet with him, next 471 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: minute they say there are, But they're not going to 472 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: talk about the most important issue in Congress, that that ceiling. 473 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you talk about the most important issue? I mean, 474 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I keep scratching my head going, look, 475 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: if there isn't something to meet with a guy on 476 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: don't meet with him? Wow. Yeah, Well, then again they'll 477 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: have to be accountable, right then, then Karine John Pierre 478 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: has to say what they discussed about the death ceiling, Genie. Yeah, 479 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: as vague as possible. It's just a lot of issues 480 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: Joe that they want to talk about it. I think 481 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: maybe he brings George Santos, he brings those dunkin Donuts 482 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: over within and they have themselves a good time over 483 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: at the White House on Wednesday. Well, I mean is 484 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll have a pool spray in the Oval office, 485 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: I presume, right if the speaker's coming over. There's no 486 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: there's no obligation though, Rick for them to do that. 487 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: Does the White House let the media get a nibble 488 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: at this before he comes out to the steak out? 489 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: And does Kevin McCarthy play it cool or does he 490 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: have to say something critical about Joe Biden after that meeting? Yeah, 491 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: I would say they've noticed the same thing you mentioned, Joe, 492 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: and that is that, you know, Kevin McCarthy sort of 493 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: taking him to the hoop on the media about being 494 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: this bipartisan guy. Wait a minute, that's Uncle Joe's line. 495 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: That's not Kevin McCarthy's line. So so sure, I think 496 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: they will do a spray and they'll talk about working 497 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: together and and and that would certainly play into the 498 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: Joe Biden narrative much more so than Kevin McCarthy. And 499 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: and so I can't imagine them seating that narrative to Kevin. That. 500 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: The second thing is, you know, does Kevin stay on 501 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: that narrative as he walks out onto the North Portico 502 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: and addresses the press fralling the meeting. And MY guess 503 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: is yes, because he's actually feeling his oats on this 504 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 1: and he can't really rely on the White House to 505 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: to circumvent it, and so why not continue to press 506 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: the button that, Hey, I'm actually trying to make governor's work. 507 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the government to do the things 508 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: that is supposed to do. And so I think he 509 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: takes the high ground, and I think he continues to 510 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: push the Biparson measure. And by the way, so far 511 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the things we're doing. We talked about 512 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: the China Select Committee, which is bipartisan. Um, I think 513 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: I think that there is an argument to be made 514 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: that he's trying to really actually operate in the same 515 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: way that his rhetoric is is mentioning remembering that will 516 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: be a week less than a week before the State 517 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: of the Union. So grand drama here in Washington, d C. 518 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg sund On with Joe Matthew on 519 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. This is not the first time lawmakers in 520 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: Washington have been called to act on police reform. Certainly 521 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: with the killing of Tyree Nichols has brought another opportunity. 522 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: Ben Crump, the Nichols family attorney in this case, again 523 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: talked about this on a number of shows on Sunday Morning. 524 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: This is CNN listen, shame on us if we don't 525 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: use his tragic death to finally get the jaws flaw 526 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: justice and police and act pass. We told President Biden 527 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: that when he talked to us, because uh, you know, 528 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: he should marsha the United States Senate, uh, with so 529 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: of the book a Senator Schulman, and they should try 530 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: to get the House to re engage. It was a 531 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: point of conversation on every Sunday Morning TV show. Hard 532 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: to say any real solution embraced. You heard Ben Crump 533 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: there mentioned that George Floyd Justice and Policing Act. Republican 534 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: Congressman Jim Jordan made clear un meet the press he 535 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: see a federal solution at all. Listen, if we can 536 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: incentimize certain things, I still think you want to keep 537 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: this at the state and local level. This is a 538 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement issue. You start getting the federal government involved 539 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: in databases and federalizing things, that gets because the federal 540 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: government screws it up so many times. We've had I 541 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: think about I think one of the one of the 542 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: items in the Democrat legislation a couple of years ago 543 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: was some kind of federal registry. Well, then you get concerns, 544 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: is it every complaint gonna be there? Are they going 545 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: to be just adjudicated complaints? How A we're gonna attract 546 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: this and I know all kinds of federal databases, I 547 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: get it wrong. We've had members of Congress show up 548 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: on the on the no fly list. No one ever 549 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: said it would be easy. And this is where we 550 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: begin our conversation with Congresswoman Gwen Moore, Democrat of Wisconsin, 551 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: who tweets our country needs the George Floyd Justice and 552 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: Policing Act to increase accountability for law enforcement misconduct. Enhanced 553 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: transparency and prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement 554 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: at the federal, state, and local levels. Congresswoman, thank you 555 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: for being here. You heard Jim Jordan's there suggests that 556 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: this needs to be a state or local issue. Why 557 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: does it demand a federal one? Well, I think that 558 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: there are protocols for police officers that run through all 559 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: of the of the of policing, and that's what the 560 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: George Floyd Bill addresses. It's really interesting because Representative Jordan's 561 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: brought up one aspect of the bill to try to 562 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: raise fears around you know, a database, you know, and 563 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: the invasion of privacy. That's one provision, one of many 564 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: provisions of this bill, and that is so that bad 565 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: cops who violate people's civil rights, as was done with 566 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: Tyree and with George Floyd, don't just leave and move 567 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: to the next uh department uh in the next state 568 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: or county. Uh. So uh he lifted that up without 569 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: mentioning the really important parts of this bill, uh, you know, 570 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, training on racial bias and duty to intervene. 571 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: One of the issues in this particular murder, the ban 572 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: on non warrants in drug cases. He's thinking Brianna Taylor's 573 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: case ban on chokeholds and territed holds. UH. And also 574 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: under that title our provisions that I should in regarding 575 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, conditioning UH certain police dollars burned funds on 576 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: the escalation training and demanding that cops de escalate the 577 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: situation before using force. UM. And it goes on and 578 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: on regarding the military, militarizing our federal governments giving uh 579 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: military style equipment to local police departments. UH. And and 580 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: and you do body camp cameras UM. The parts that 581 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: are very very very controversial, as you know, UH also applied. 582 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I think that that's the thing that's 583 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: was distuffed in here, and that is the immunity, qualified immunity, 584 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: that qualified immunity. UM. And you know how how that 585 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: relates to the disincentive I thing for people who are 586 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: serving as police officers UM to to follow the rules 587 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: and regulations and laws because there are no consequences that 588 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: can inorge them. Really, how do you re engage the House? 589 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: Like Ben Crump says, well, I think when we did 590 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: pass this bill, we passed it when the Democrats were 591 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: in the majority. And I think that that is a reality. UH. 592 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: That it is still the case. UH, and you know 593 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: it really could you do it? And that's Republican majority though, well, 594 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: you know what, there ought to be an opportunity to 595 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: do that because you know, when you start talking about 596 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: a lot of crimes, a lot of this is occurring 597 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: in sort so called red state UH and in places 598 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: not governed by Democrats who are in charge. He would 599 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: say that this would be something we'd be able to 600 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: bring to their attention. But I am not sure that 601 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: that that the votes are there, but it certainly would 602 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: not discourage me for particip participating and trying to get 603 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: the George Floyd Bill h Path. I mean I had 604 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: a provision, as I indicated, that was very very reasonable, UM, 605 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: and to require officers to have de escalation training. I mean, 606 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: we found the police UH executive research form found that 607 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, only that are very small amount of departments 608 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,719 Speaker 1: used funding that they had to de escalation training, whereas 609 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: they spend lots of money on how to shoot and 610 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: how to be aggressive. And so this still would would require, 611 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, that certain funding be conditioned or incentivized. Rather, 612 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: there's the incentive. You can't really get the money unless 613 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: you use some of the funding inculations training just to 614 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: understand the one to be specific here when it comes 615 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: to qualified immunity and whether to allow families of victims 616 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: of police violence super police officers for image damages in 617 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: civil lawsuits? Are those those have been the stumbling blocks here? 618 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: Do they have to be in any final bill? Is 619 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: there a way to get to this with some of 620 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: the other issues that you mentioned, or do you have 621 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: to have qualified immunity in that bill? Well? Uh, qualified 622 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: immunity maybe just sort of a stalking horse because there 623 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: are other travisions that could be passed parts of it 624 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: by themselves. We haven't seen any Republican coach sponctors for 625 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: other sort of common sense pieces of legislation. Um. Uh. 626 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,919 Speaker 1: You know, I am not the lead on this bill 627 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: in the House and the Democratic majority. Uh. In the 628 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: Senate is one of the places that I would look 629 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: for a lot of strong leadership. I think Senator Booker 630 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: has led this initiative, and we have certainly gun violence 631 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: and and uh police you know, judiciary members you know 632 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: who would be very willing the sponsor and champion this. 633 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: And of course as a member of Congressional Black Caucus 634 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: and as a person who is a you know, co 635 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: author of this bill, I certainly would would be willing 636 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: to really get a vote. Let Republicans get on the 637 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: record in terms of how they feel about about black 638 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: policing UM and government regulation of of folcal of tremendous 639 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: power over other citizens. And we think that they're reasonable 640 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: and we'd like to get everybody on the record. The 641 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: National Community Violence, the Escalation Training Acts of we'll talk 642 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: more about it. Gwen Moore, thank you for being with 643 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: US congresswoman from Wisconsin Democrat as we reassemble our panel 644 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: of to hear quickly from Rick and Genie on this. Uh. 645 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: It's this is this is becoming one of these debates 646 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: in Washington where there's a big uproar, there's a there's 647 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: a thought, uh that that there would be some movement 648 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: here and then things don't get across the finish line. Genie, 649 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: when you consider Gwen Moore and a piece of legislation 650 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: like this de Escalation Training not to mention the George 651 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: Floyd Justice and Policing Acts, how to either get through 652 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: this house? You know, I suppose there's a possibility the 653 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: de Escalation could It's hard to imagine that George Floyd 654 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: getting through a Republican House at this point. I mean, 655 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: the reality is it got through the House last time 656 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: under the Democratics control, and it got stalled in the Senate, 657 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: and it was a bitter ending to that bill. And 658 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, I do think it's important to step back 659 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: and say, when it comes to the horrific incident in 660 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: Memphis with Tyree Nichols, could legislation have addressed to that 661 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: at all? Any of these pieces of legislation. I mean, 662 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: you're talking about a total pack of humanity on the 663 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: part of these people who did this to him, And 664 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: the same thing is true with George Floyd. So that 665 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: has to be put into context. And that doesn't mean 666 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: we shouldn't have a legislative solution, because I really believe 667 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: we should, but I'm not convinced we're going to get there, 668 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: particularly given how divided closely divided the houses at this point. 669 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: Listen to Congressman Jim Comer from earlier today Rick at 670 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: the National Press Club. He was talking to our own 671 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: Emily Wilkins, who was conducting this interview in front of 672 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: an audience here, and she asked him about his committee 673 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: or his colleagues acting on this in terms of a 674 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: bill for police reform or even the Oversight Committee looking 675 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: into what happened. Here's what he said. I haven't even 676 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: thought about it, to be honest with you, I mean 677 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: I was asked about it. It's a terrible thing. Uh. Certainly, 678 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: they're bad apples in in every profession, bad politicians, bad 679 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: police officers, Uh, and they need to be held accountable. 680 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: So I'm confident those police officers are going to be 681 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: held accountable. Every lawmaker knows that they could be asked 682 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: about this. Do they need a better answer than that? Yeah, 683 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: I mean I think maybe a little too honest of 684 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 1: an answer for a politician. Uh. You know, the idea 685 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: that with everything that we've been through as a country 686 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: over the last you know, through or four years. Uh, 687 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: the idea that you haven't really thought about police malpractice, 688 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: you know, and and the damage to the communities that 689 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: have ensued, um is a little naive. Um. The reality, though, 690 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: is the only other thing that's as naive as that 691 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: is the idea that there's consensus in Congress to pass 692 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: a comprehensive bill like the Y George Floyd Act U. 693 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: There's just not votes there. They're not votes in the House, 694 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: and they're not votes in the Senate, and so I'm 695 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: not sure. You know, Congressman Moore makes a compelling argument 696 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: as to why we need it, But the idea just 697 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: taking a vote to embarrass um, you know, members of 698 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: the opposite party, when there are members of our own 699 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: party who don't support it, UM, is just not I 700 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: think constructive to finding a bipartisan solution. I mean myself, 701 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: I think they're a limit to what you want the 702 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: federal government to do because, um, you know, these police 703 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: forces really don't need the burden of another set of 704 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: regulations from the federal government, but they need to obviously 705 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: be reformed. I mean, there's no question that what we're 706 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: seeing in the headlines on a two regular basis, UH 707 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: should be the reflection of our police forces across the country. 708 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: Never easy answers, but a conversation that we'll keep having 709 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,240 Speaker 1: here on Bloomberg Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew and Washington, 710 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Jeannie Schanzano with us for some final thoughts. Next, 711 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: as Donald Trump makeses, could I say return to the 712 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: campaign trail if he wasn't actually to begin with, So 713 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: two stops in one day for Donald Trump, The high 714 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: energy campaign is back Saturday in New Hampshire and then 715 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: later in South Carolina making the case for the campaign, 716 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: and he says, you know what, nobody's even close. Listen, 717 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: remember you in sixteen I talked about poles all the 718 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: time in I didn't have to because we didn't have 719 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: a lot of competition. We had no competition, and I 720 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: don't think we have a competition this time either, to 721 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: be honest, but I talked about the poles, and I 722 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: will say that our poles, we are absolutely we are 723 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: so far ahead in the polls. Uh. Both in New 724 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,439 Speaker 1: Hampshire when came out this morning a very nice pole, 725 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: a way ahead, and one came out yesterday, a nationwide 726 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: pole and we're thirty five points up, thirty nine points up. 727 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: That's a lot. Well, yeah, of course if you were 728 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: with us on Friday, you'd know that. In the U 729 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: NH Pole in New Hampshire. Uh, he's behind Rhonde Santis 730 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: by twelve points. That I mentioned Rhonda Santis, Yes, and 731 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: Nicki Haley. We talked about both of them in a 732 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: segment with our panel and on the airplane home he 733 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: had some media with him. The reporters are asking him 734 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: about what's going on here and well, he had things 735 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: to say about both of them. Listen, he called me 736 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: the other day to talk to me and talked to 737 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: her for all. But I said, look, you know, go 738 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: by your heart if you want to run. She's publicly 739 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: saying I would never run against my president. He was 740 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: a great resident Florida, was actually close for a great remember, 741 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: close to beaches and everything. And they're trying to rewrite 742 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: his students. I think they're trying to rewrite history. Says 743 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: they closed the beaches Covid de Santis another reference there. 744 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 1: What's the panel think about this? Genie Chanzano and Rick Davis. Genie, 745 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: I bet you're laughing right now. But the idea here 746 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: of of Donald Trump blowing everybody out of the water 747 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: on these poles, my goodness. We just went through the 748 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: numbers a couple of days ago, and obviously that is 749 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, first of all, I think that Jeb 750 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: Bush has got to be enjoying this. An enormous amount 751 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: the number of people describing Donald Trump low energy, So 752 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: good for Jeb to have the last laugh. And you know, 753 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: in between talking about Nicki Helly and Rhonda Santis, he 754 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on things like the woke 755 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: military and oh also windmills. Um, there was a lot 756 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: of talk about windmills. So it was quite a quite 757 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: a weekend for him. Um. You know, he needs to 758 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: listen to sound On so he can get clear on 759 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: these polls because I think he is mistating them. He 760 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: accused George Santis of sort of you know, not always 761 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: telling the truth, exaggerating well, you know, they seem like 762 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: two piece in a pot at this point. Does that 763 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: actually mean that he's worried about both of them? Rick, Yeah, 764 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: maybe more he talks about you, the more he's afraid 765 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,919 Speaker 1: of you. Um. Certainly doesn't want these people to catch on, right, 766 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: actually generate any momentum. So I'm not sure that's a 767 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: bad thing in the sense that the last thing you 768 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: want is your likely opponents to have uh some time 769 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: to get started. I would say the one thing I 770 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: caught that um that I thought was pretty effective was 771 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: starting to label Governor de Santis is a flip flopper, 772 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: because I mean, without using the term, that's basically what 773 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: he was saying is that, you know, he's he's trying 774 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: to get into these positions that I've been in for 775 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: a long time and you know, really straining his history 776 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: to do it. So, I mean, some of these attacks 777 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: aren't without their value, you I would say, though, uh, 778 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 1: it goes equally well. I mean, you know, Donald Trump 779 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: likes to talk about the support he's got in in 780 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: New Hampshire that certainly wasn't represented by the very small 781 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: crowd that he had when he was there. But he's 782 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,280 Speaker 1: about to face, you know, a year of constant pummeling 783 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: from a wildly popular Republican governor Kristinnunew and tell me 784 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 1: how that feels after about six months. Um, well, so 785 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: that's the lot of Canadas who have been in that position. 786 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: That can be a very painful expert. Yeah, that's the 787 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: question I guess I have. Then, Genie, does he stay 788 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: on the road for the next year? How many of 789 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: these are we going to get? He sure doesn't want to, Joe, 790 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: would you want to be on the road when you 791 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,919 Speaker 1: could be living at marl Lago? But I think he's 792 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,919 Speaker 1: gonna have to. And you know, Rick is right, he's 793 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 1: trying to make this argument against the Santis, but boy, 794 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: it can come back to haunt him because he too 795 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: flip flopped. Oh my god, we're just getting started with 796 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: all of this Genie Chanzano, Rick Davis. Great to have 797 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: the conversation. As always, our signature panel on the fastest 798 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: hour in Politics. Thanks to Matt Craine Nick for coming 799 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: in as well Congresswoman Gwen Moore with us on Bloomberg. 800 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm Joe, Matthew. I'll meet you back here tomorrow.