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Speaker 3: More for the record, I just want to let it
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Speaker 3: Tea ass. Let me tell y'all something I have watched you, ladies.
Speaker 3: I have watched the way that you have had guests
Speaker 3: on your show, certain guests, not certain guests, certain, yes,
Speaker 3: not certain guests. And I love the way that you
Speaker 3: you your ladies, hold your own I love the way
Speaker 3: that you you stand and who you are, and I
Speaker 3: love the way that you get on social media and you
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck who called and you call it, oh, hello, Andrew,
Speaker 3: and and and that's what's something. That's the type of
Speaker 3: energy that I've I've always been on. Your energy is
Speaker 3: as always well.
Speaker 2: And at this point, it probably is something in the
Speaker 2: water in Florida.
Speaker 1: It's Florida. You know, it's the Florida's Florida water.
Speaker 2: It's just I did want to start there because you
Speaker 2: do have and we're gonna go through all types of
Speaker 2: topics today, y'all. I do have an outline. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get into it. But I know we can talk. We've
Speaker 2: been needing to talk. Yes, So let's start with Florida
Speaker 2: because you have an experience in Orlando.
Speaker 1: You brought up, you brought up somewhere that I.
Speaker 2: Listen to give the line text, y'all listen. In Orlando, Florida,
Speaker 2: there's a place called Orange Blossom Trail.
Speaker 1: So that's what y'all call it. No, I called obt. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's just obt damn what I do, my little news
Speaker 1: banker Bob. And there's the trail.
Speaker 2: There's a street, there's a road. There's a section called
Speaker 2: Orange Blossom Trail. And when you're looking for a certain
Speaker 2: type of lady, you go find them hose on the trail.
Speaker 1: The hose on the trail.
Speaker 2: And when Maby just said, oh, I used to be
Speaker 2: on ALBT Okay, So wait, I grew up Oakridge, well,
Speaker 2: Oakridge and OBT. And what's crazy is my mom didn't
Speaker 2: talk to me about sex with boys, didn't talk to
Speaker 2: me about drugs. But baby, I was five years old
Speaker 2: and knew what the women on the trail were and
Speaker 2: what they were doing there.
Speaker 1: And was getting to the money. So my mom.
Speaker 2: Literally, now that I think about it, we should have
Speaker 2: to talk. She talked to me about prostitution before anything
Speaker 2: else in life. Look at us now taking this money, right,
Speaker 2: so what was Let's start there because it like who
Speaker 2: you are now and we're gonna get into that.
Speaker 3: But where you listen, here's the thing. Here's the thing, ladies,
Speaker 3: I want to tell y'all that I am. I'm never
Speaker 3: going to shy away from talking about my beginnings because
Speaker 3: you have to be able to talk to people about
Speaker 3: where it began, because they look at you now and
Speaker 3: they say, uh, you know, like you up at e
Speaker 3: or you just because I say because I tell a
Speaker 3: bit I'm rich or h I say stuff like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't go past roll six on the plane, you know,
Speaker 3: or I'm always a black car. I must be black cart,
Speaker 3: you know. But I used to be broke, I was homeless,
Speaker 3: I was I was a hooker on the on the sidewalk.
Speaker 3: And I have no shame or anything about any of
Speaker 3: that stuff, because it's never where you start. It's where
Speaker 3: your trajectory goes. And for me when I was back then,
Speaker 3: I transitioned around about seventeen years old, okay, seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 3: like kind of right out of high school.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I've only known being a boy up until about eighteen,
Speaker 3: and I'm kind of glad that I have the opportunity
Speaker 3: to transition later on because I've had the experienced life
Speaker 3: as a gay male and now as a trans woman,
Speaker 3: you know. And so because I know we might get
Speaker 3: into questions where people ask, like, well, how when did
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 1: I've always known.
Speaker 3: I've always known, But I'm glad that I have the
Speaker 3: opportunity to experience life, you know, in all of its phases.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be forty seven this year, so that'll
Speaker 3: be me thirty years into transition. I do and do
Speaker 3: beautiful hello and is passable you know, you know, but
Speaker 3: I didn't want that life for me. That's not what
Speaker 3: I wanted.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I used to look down on strippers and hookers. I
Speaker 3: used to because I'm from a Christian house and so,
Speaker 3: you know, your mama raised you up into, you know,
Speaker 3: being an upstanding you know.
Speaker 1: But when you're growing up.
Speaker 3: And you're having like a lot of battles with on
Speaker 3: on the inside, and you're trying to figure out, like
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 1: Like why am I not I have brothers? Like why
Speaker 1: am I not like my brother?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 1: Why am I not like my cousins? Like what's what's wrong?
Speaker 1: Like what's why? Do why not? Why? When? Why? When
Speaker 1: men are having conversations about women around me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you don't see that boy over there?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Or like you know you
Speaker 3: don't like I don't. I don't look at women. I've
Speaker 3: always found women to be extremely attractive. Like I can
Speaker 3: sit here and look at how gorgeous both of you
Speaker 3: ladies are, and everywhere I go when I see gorgeous ladies,
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn. Like even my friend and I when
Speaker 3: we be in the car, we be out somewhere or whatever,
Speaker 3: and both of us be looking at girls liked yang.
Speaker 3: He's bad, you know, because you ain't ever, but I
Speaker 3: don't have any sexual attraction and you but you knew
Speaker 3: that early on there.
Speaker 1: Oh, and I knew that, Okay, you.
Speaker 2: Know that I knew when you said, you know, I
Speaker 2: always look down on strippers and sex workers, like people
Speaker 2: many people that ended up falling into this life. Do
Speaker 2: you think that when you started a prostitution and it
Speaker 2: was because of being trans.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it was. And because I'm from you got
Speaker 3: to remember, we're in twenty twenty four, thirty years ago,
Speaker 3: and I was seventeen, what was thirty years from nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety something, so we were still in a ninety four.
Speaker 3: We were still in a time.
Speaker 1: Of and it was bourbage then transsexual, oh honey, cross
Speaker 1: dressed rode. You know, the language around it was completely
Speaker 1: completely different.
Speaker 3: Like all of the new age terms that we have now,
Speaker 3: like the new age of blossoming and understanding things. We
Speaker 3: didn't have any of that because there was nobody that
Speaker 3: was willing or even wanted to understand that. Because we've
Speaker 3: been in the shadows for so long, you know, and
Speaker 3: so and so.
Speaker 2: Going into that was was it because it seventeen eighteen
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: You're transitioning.
Speaker 2: Were you going to the mall in different places and
Speaker 2: they just wouldn't hire you because of how you were presenting?
Speaker 3: Well, it was it was definitely because of how it
Speaker 3: was presenting. And then I actually found lace that let
Speaker 3: that allowed me to come to work. I remember my
Speaker 3: first job in transition. I worked at publics.
Speaker 1: Y'all.
Speaker 3: Publics, y'all don't like the Okay, I mean, I still
Speaker 3: eat their son. But here's the thing, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I worked at publics and I remember me being the
Speaker 3: first male cashier that they would hire. They was the
Speaker 3: first male they had. It was always women at the
Speaker 3: counter and the men did and the men did the stocking.
Speaker 3: I was like stocking, I wear them stocking. Are you
Speaker 3: crazy girl now? And so, uh girl, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: I remember having an altercation with a customer at the counter
Speaker 3: and she was so irate. She told my manager that
Speaker 3: was standing up there to the front, she said.
Speaker 1: Why don't you reprimand this lady, this lady is so
Speaker 1: rude and ness.
Speaker 3: Because I was just paying that whole dust that was
Speaker 3: over her with all those fucking coupons, and so she said,
Speaker 3: why don't.
Speaker 1: You reprimand her she's so rude and da da da.
Speaker 3: And so my manager was like, who are you talking about?
Speaker 3: And she was like the lady, this lady right here,
Speaker 3: and he turned he was flushed, turn red. I read it, yeah,
Speaker 3: and was like, ma'am, that is not a lady.
Speaker 1: Did that at the time make you feel good or worse?
Speaker 3: At the time, I was said, fuck that puss sass
Speaker 3: puss sass as pussayss cust some way, and the mother
Speaker 3: fucking the fuck you pussa ass old you know. But
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking about it because I didn't know anything
Speaker 3: except for I knew who I was, so I didn't
Speaker 3: know how to feel, like the validation or whatever. I
Speaker 3: just like, girluck because I knew I was was real
Speaker 3: as clocky as I was.
Speaker 1: I knew I was still real. I knew that girl.
Speaker 3: So they took me to the office in the back
Speaker 3: or whatever, and they was like, uh, because my name,
Speaker 3: my former name was Timothy, and I'm open about all
Speaker 3: this stuff. So you know I'm open about that because
Speaker 3: I've lived my life in the public, y'all. Somebody could
Speaker 3: google it. Oh listen, I'm gonna tell you, like my
Speaker 3: name was Timothy, and so they the uh, the manager
Speaker 3: was like, Timothy, you're gonna have to come in here.
Speaker 1: You gotta You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to. That's what
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to, like be more Timothy. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to be more Timothy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, You're gonna have to. So I'm like, bitch, how
Speaker 3: do I do that? Like my hair with like my
Speaker 3: hair with my hair was permed. I had my hair
Speaker 3: back in the poem you wear little ear rings or whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, I.
Speaker 1: Had did your makeup? Were you doing makeup?
Speaker 3: It was a little bit. I didn't know too much,
Speaker 3: you know. I just knew that I was in the
Speaker 3: in the in the position to change, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I was like, how do I
Speaker 1: do that? Like what the fuck do I do? Like?
Speaker 3: You know, and so, you know, we kept having these problems,
Speaker 3: and I took my h I took a yellow sticky
Speaker 3: tab and I covered up Timothy and put Chanell on that. Wow,
Speaker 3: because that was my name, Chanelle. So I put Chanel
Speaker 3: on top of the the Timothy thing over there. And
Speaker 3: so they were they it was just stuff and that
Speaker 3: was irritating them, and they was like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: we can't we go.
Speaker 1: They let me go because you wouldn't be more Timothy,
Speaker 1: because I wann't be more Timothy.
Speaker 3: That was my first time being let go because of
Speaker 3: that that Publics. Yeah, wow, that was my first time. Well,
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was Public's policy, but you know,
Speaker 3: because here's the thing where we have to here's the
Speaker 3: thing because I'm gonna tell y'all a story.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was public publics is policy,
Speaker 3: but you know, the people that worked there wor they
Speaker 3: felt some type of way because Publics hired me.
Speaker 1: But I did put Timothy on the application, girl, But
Speaker 1: I did come in, but I didn't come in. I
Speaker 1: did come inmoth, but I did come in.
Speaker 3: It's who I was, So it wasn't I didn't do
Speaker 3: anything that was different. I just came in who it
Speaker 3: was so fast forward were uh, and then it didn't
Speaker 3: help any of that boys used to come up there
Speaker 3: to the job.
Speaker 1: Now while you was having men come up to the job, girl.
Speaker 3: But see, this is what y'all gotta understand. I want
Speaker 3: y'all ladies to understand this. I really want ladies and
Speaker 3: the and the people out there that are watching to
Speaker 3: understand this.
Speaker 1: And this is real ship. Trans women have an aura.
Speaker 3: About them as beautiful as women are. This is why
Speaker 3: I have I don't feel any competition with any women.
Speaker 3: I don't feel any way about any woman.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't have any deep rooted, any feeling towards any
Speaker 3: woman because especially when it comes down to men, because
Speaker 3: trans women have this thing. And I figured this out
Speaker 3: the older that I got, we have this thing that
Speaker 3: it just draws men. We're not real. Hold on, let
Speaker 3: me get somebody gonna fuck me up. You already know
Speaker 3: that it's right, Ye, we're real people. But I want
Speaker 3: to use this in a way because this is how
Speaker 3: women like to say.
Speaker 1: You ain't real. You're not a real woman.
Speaker 3: You know, right, We're not you know, according to you know,
Speaker 3: the way that women like to say you're not real.
Speaker 1: Gotta get that in there. And it don't matter. That's
Speaker 1: the thing that it don't matter. It does not matter
Speaker 1: if we're real or not to men. To men, it
Speaker 1: does not matter. Is it the fantasy.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the fantasy, it's just the drawing. Listen,
Speaker 3: those people, the boys would come through my line and
Speaker 3: it would be.
Speaker 1: I think it's the intrigue, the intriguing of what are you?
Speaker 1: And I was younger then, you know, very young, just
Speaker 1: like what are you? Do you find that? And again
Speaker 1: today I really want to clear that real thing up.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I don't want the trans community. No,
Speaker 3: even though I am a part of the trades community,
Speaker 3: I may say things that and I want to say
Speaker 3: this too, I may say things that may not align
Speaker 3: with with the with the whole ideology of every everybody
Speaker 3: in the community.
Speaker 2: It's not and that's listen, Flaming Road right, he'll be
Speaker 2: like Blaming Road came on and said the things she said.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't be a flame counting the same.
Speaker 3: We different with stuff.
Speaker 2: But we also just had Danielle and Dominikon who have
Speaker 2: who did a wonderful, wonderful Cocomo City documentary their experience
Speaker 2: and sex work, and people disagreed with the things they said.
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, you're never gonna
Speaker 2: please I know, but I just.
Speaker 3: Want to make sure that I don't say like I
Speaker 3: don't want to, I don't want to say that we're
Speaker 3: not real, Like now, we're not real people, We're not real.
Speaker 3: I just want to say it in the in the
Speaker 3: in the aspect of women. This this is the this
Speaker 3: is what I'm when I'm having an altercation with women,
Speaker 3: a verbal alter the first thing, because you're not real.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're not a real woman. You'll never be a
Speaker 1: real one.
Speaker 2: They want to go straight to calling bitch is back single,
Speaker 2: you ain't got kids. It's crazy though, because what you
Speaker 2: said is when when you said that, men are like,
Speaker 2: what are you like?
Speaker 1: The fascination? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was talking to a few friends of mine actually
Speaker 2: who have played ball overseas, specifically in Asia, which one
Speaker 2: girl will talk about it out there, but there's a
Speaker 2: few of them that let me know that when you
Speaker 2: make a certain caliber of money, especially like the politicians,
Speaker 2: the really rich and wealthy people even in to buy
Speaker 2: all over their Middle East and in Asia, they go
Speaker 2: to trans women like going to even the strip clubs
Speaker 2: and things in Thailand there's the lady boys.
Speaker 1: Are regular girls really don't They may not do it
Speaker 1: in time.
Speaker 2: The lady boys are like what is what the men
Speaker 2: are drawing the lady girls. I think having that experience
Speaker 2: over there and having people talk about trans women. And
Speaker 2: this is when I studied abroad. I was what twenty five,
Speaker 2: I'm thirty three now, but having those conversations and hearing
Speaker 2: men speak about them and dat men who were into
Speaker 2: trans women Like I hat a friend that was drinking
Speaker 2: himself to death because he didn't feel like he would
Speaker 2: be accepted by his parents by it. Took him to
Speaker 2: the club, took him to the show that got bleaked
Speaker 2: out last time.
Speaker 1: Apparently I can't, you know, promote it. But yeah, like
Speaker 1: you're talking about no, no, no, no, no no, wait, I
Speaker 1: just passed that. Is that?
Speaker 2: Oh you're telling me something I don't know? Gird that's
Speaker 2: right down the street for our nights.
Speaker 1: I heard that Thursday night.
Speaker 2: That's what I heard on next Thursday. Okay, even always
Speaker 2: tea girl Thursday?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 1: Why is it always Thursdays? Is that a thing? Is
Speaker 1: it the team? Because white? Why? I don't? I have
Speaker 1: no idea, but that night is always on Thursday. That's
Speaker 1: what I heard. The country. I would I wouldn't set
Speaker 1: foot in their honey. Okay, I've graduated from that that life,
Speaker 1: but then I'm not looking watching have you have you
Speaker 1: worked in those environments before, and how did difference I've
Speaker 1: hosted like I've hosted that, I've hosted like I've like
Speaker 1: I hosted an event in the in the clubs, you know,
Speaker 1: but but I'm never gonna work in there because I
Speaker 1: feel like that I'm more listen. I paved the way
Speaker 1: for those girls to be who.
Speaker 2: They are, and so I want to take a step back, then,
Speaker 2: because navigating them from going to the streets to having
Speaker 2: your own production company and shooting your own Yes, Like,
Speaker 2: how'd you go from from OBT to.
Speaker 1: Can we start at OBT?
Speaker 3: It was no, it was seventy ninth Street then ob
Speaker 3: because baby, we listen when Miami would listen when Miami
Speaker 3: wasn't having a good week off of seventy nine.
Speaker 2: We want to hear about the culture of this because
Speaker 2: today street walking is the most low.
Speaker 1: Brown ship to anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't want to either talk about it or
Speaker 2: it's something that men won't even engage it. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: because it's so because it's so easy tone the website,
Speaker 2: find them on websites now, So.
Speaker 3: Tell us what it was like to then. And this
Speaker 3: is what I tell you, This is what I tell
Speaker 3: my daughters now. Because I call my daughters. I tell
Speaker 3: my daughters. Now I'll be like, girl, y'all don't know anything.
Speaker 3: The street walk, that street walk in life was. I
Speaker 3: tell you that I've had some of the best sex
Speaker 3: on the hood of a cargo. Stop it behind the
Speaker 3: dumpster the KFC. Girl, Honey, I could see it well
Speaker 3: because I and that's what made me have these fantasies
Speaker 3: about men having their pants around their ankles. Girl, you
Speaker 3: got to hear it and go listen. Even when I'm
Speaker 3: in a relationship with a man, I love him to
Speaker 3: to fuck me like a horror.
Speaker 1: I need that. I know a horror. Give details. What
Speaker 1: is being fun like a baby pulling the pants around
Speaker 1: their ankle. Let me tell they did. Let me so
Speaker 1: you're not getting all the way.
Speaker 3: They just come fuck. Just trash me out. We could
Speaker 3: we could cuddle after it's done, because you're my husband.
Speaker 3: But don't trash me out. Trash me out.
Speaker 2: Tell me about a time that you felt like it
Speaker 2: was getting too crazy, like someone had too wild.
Speaker 1: Request.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, right, So I'm gonna take you from
Speaker 3: publics down this lane.
Speaker 1: I want to go. So we so I got fired
Speaker 1: from the publics, you know, and and because boys used
Speaker 1: to come up there to the to the fucking job
Speaker 1: like it was a boy used to ride his bicycle
Speaker 1: up there and just buy eggs or some ship. And
Speaker 1: I used to be like what you is? What what
Speaker 1: you is? And I'm like what what you is? You know?
Speaker 3: And so we ended up, you know, getting into some things.
Speaker 3: And uh, he came to my house on the bike
Speaker 3: when one night he gave me fifty dollars and I
Speaker 3: was like, well, why did you give me fifty dollars?
Speaker 1: Now I'm young, so I don't know. You know, I've
Speaker 1: moved out. I'm older, yes, a little bit, a little
Speaker 1: bit older, but I've moved out because my mom was like,
Speaker 1: you can't be in my house. You know, I have
Speaker 1: sons in here. I got other sons, So you can't
Speaker 1: be in here with this stuff. On one Wow, I
Speaker 1: can't do it. And I was like, because I ain't him,
Speaker 1: I'm not here.
Speaker 3: To great, I'm not there. I'm not I'm not that boy,
Speaker 3: I'm that girl. And so you know, like I'm fast
Speaker 3: forwarding because I know. So he came, he gave me
Speaker 3: fifty dollars off like from a bike.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you give me fifty dollars for I
Speaker 1: just felt like this, I want to give you some money.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, because I know they let you
Speaker 1: go from the job. But they did fire me because
Speaker 1: of course you because you were you were coming up
Speaker 1: there to the place. And uh, you know, then my
Speaker 1: gay mama, you know, we we have our family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my gay mama.
Speaker 3: Was uh, she was in the business. And I didn't
Speaker 3: know what none of this stuff was was. And so
Speaker 3: my next encounter was was with a threesome with her
Speaker 3: and the guy. Because you know, I'm I'm a well
Speaker 3: endowed girl. And yah, we're not saying big big just
Speaker 3: because I'm a well and dowed girl. And so the
Speaker 3: guy was requesting at the time that she, you know,
Speaker 3: have another well and down girl. And so they knew
Speaker 3: that I was a welling dow girl. And so I
Speaker 3: went down there whatever, and we we had a three
Speaker 3: and then that she gave me money.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how much? How much? Back then? What she
Speaker 1: gave me? One hundred dollars?
Speaker 3: I didn't know what, Like, yeah, I didn't know, you know,
Speaker 3: but she gave me a hundred. So I'm like, you know, so,
Speaker 3: you know, so I'm slowly introduced into prostitution. But I'm
Speaker 3: still trying to be in and out of drag because
Speaker 3: now I'm out on my own, so I have to work,
Speaker 3: you know. So I'm trying to, you know, work at
Speaker 3: different places to pay my rent, you know. And we
Speaker 3: used to ride out on the beat and I would
Speaker 3: see other trends, Like I'm from down south. I used
Speaker 3: to drive up north and I would see all these
Speaker 3: other trans women and they were having like these bathing
Speaker 3: suits and ship like that. I was like, they were
Speaker 3: so much more advanced, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, these are man. Excuse me, right, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: keep doing this.
Speaker 2: And I feel like it's so important because PC language,
Speaker 2: we get it, we know it.
Speaker 1: But I love learning where you started.
Speaker 3: And so I'm just gonna make this. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: keep doing this. I'm just gonna tell my motherfucker please please.
Speaker 2: See the men were gay if they wanted anal sex,
Speaker 2: and now I'll be asking for it once a quarter,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So here we go.
Speaker 3: I love advanced I love advanced women. So let's get
Speaker 3: into and so, you know, bitch, let.
Speaker 1: Me get these checks. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: these are man, these are man, like, how did this happen.
Speaker 1: I want to do. I want more, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I want to be passed. I want
Speaker 1: to be you know. But I'm like, why are they
Speaker 1: selling their bodies on the street? Like why are you walking?
Speaker 1: You didn'tstand, I didn't really like why are y'all prostitutes
Speaker 1: on the street? Like what's what's going on here? Looks
Speaker 1: so good?
Speaker 3: That's yeah, Like what's like why y'all ain't got no
Speaker 3: man taking care of you? Like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like you there's no way possible that you are am
Speaker 3: in you know, because you so you know, child, going
Speaker 3: through the life, getting involved, getting work, getting the things,
Speaker 3: advancing more, and it's just like you get to the
Speaker 3: job and you've advanced more, your titties are big, your
Speaker 3: hips is big, and you guming that bitch and at
Speaker 3: the time, and I'm a floorda bitch, right, So I
Speaker 3: didn't change my name at the time. I just celebrated
Speaker 3: my one year anniversary on the eighteenth of April for
Speaker 3: changing my name really legally, you just said that at
Speaker 3: forty six.
Speaker 1: Really what took you? Song? My mom?
Speaker 2: Can you explain a little bit more about it? I
Speaker 2: didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I felt I didn't want to disrespect her. Okay, I
Speaker 1: have a very close relationship with my mom. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to disrespect her because I felt that, you know,
Speaker 1: she gave me that and I was hers and she
Speaker 1: gave me that name. And then you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: she said that that Timothy means honor God, and you
Speaker 1: know all this stuff, you know. So I struggled with
Speaker 1: that for a very long time. I even did it
Speaker 1: even on my television show. I talked to her about it,
Speaker 1: you know, because did you go and finally what was
Speaker 1: the conversation?
Speaker 3: Then to ask on the television on the television show,
Speaker 3: I talked to her, I said, Mommy, I've been living
Speaker 3: this life and which television show on my own television show,
Speaker 3: my own television show, the TS Madison Experience, the experience
Speaker 3: I have the first black transgender woman to executive produce
Speaker 3: and start in her own reality on Earth.
Speaker 2: Let's go on we TV, Let's go, Let's go on Earth.
Speaker 2: So you have this conversation life, yeah.
Speaker 1: On TV.
Speaker 3: And so I'm telling her, like, you know, I need to,
Speaker 3: you know, and then even after the show wrapped and
Speaker 3: then and we we were finished or whatever, I still
Speaker 3: didn't go do it. Wow, it was only to right
Speaker 3: up until recently where the where where the legislations are
Speaker 3: changing everything. It's anti trans and anti d you know,
Speaker 3: so yeah, anti trans lost and I'm and I say
Speaker 3: this with with with humility, I'm a passable trans woman
Speaker 3: and so you know, I when I pull out my ID,
Speaker 3: I used to do it for shock value, like hey, Timothy,
Speaker 3: but now it's just like you know, and cause you
Speaker 3: be like you know, but now when I pull out
Speaker 3: my ID, like no one's paying it any attention. And
Speaker 3: the only reason why people know a lot about me
Speaker 3: is because one day know big dig bitch dot com, right,
Speaker 3: or two because I'm famous for other for other things
Speaker 3: and big dig bitch dot com. But if I was
Speaker 3: just strolling through, you ain't. Just you're not thinking twice
Speaker 3: about me being born male?
Speaker 1: You know, seeing you.
Speaker 2: Get emotional just now, like I could see you tearing
Speaker 2: up there thinking me want to tear up and talking
Speaker 2: about the respect that you have for your mom. I've
Speaker 2: been loving watching throw out a Carmichael show, not because
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying him so much, but just kind of this
Speaker 2: like mental breakdown to get to see. Yeah, but one
Speaker 2: of the things that's so difficult to watch is his
Speaker 2: respect with his mom. Yeah, and so just to know
Speaker 2: how much you've been through and how important you are
Speaker 2: in the community for.
Speaker 1: People to respect your mom this many years and hold that.
Speaker 2: It just really shows me that a lot of people
Speaker 2: can be selfish with their queerness. They're coming out, and
Speaker 2: I think we've got to give parents a little more grace.
Speaker 2: So that's why when you were saying, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: this to anybody, I almost feel like I'm even going
Speaker 2: in the reverse because I understand that, like other people
Speaker 2: are moving slower, and I don't want to shit on
Speaker 2: them because they're not where weird at. And I feel
Speaker 2: like we shunned so many people away because we're forcing
Speaker 2: them to be here with us. I'm weird with the
Speaker 2: word grace, and I want to dig into do you
Speaker 2: not feel or was there a conversation because you were
Speaker 2: pushed out of the home because of your transition. Is
Speaker 2: there not any blame or anger that you have for
Speaker 2: that experience with having to go on the trail and
Speaker 2: having to go through sex work and having to have
Speaker 2: that experience because she judged you in that moment when
Speaker 2: I was younger, made okay because you get over that too.
Speaker 1: Well. I the way it helped me get past it
Speaker 1: was I had to put myself in her shoes and this, like,
Speaker 1: you know, my mother is a devout Christian and me
Speaker 1: was a huge challenge me. Okay, that's a challenge to
Speaker 1: a Christian. Yes, how can you love God? How can
Speaker 1: you win souls? How can you just you can't even
Speaker 1: save your own child?
Speaker 3: Right, I'm on now, this is this is me now
Speaker 3: thinking then, I was, you know, mad, and I was
Speaker 3: just like, well, I'm gonna it's me and fuck y'all.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Fuck all, y'all, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get out here, I'm gonna work.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a whatever. You know now, I'm a
Speaker 1: whore hooker. I didn't want to do I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do any of that. None of that.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do any of that. So I
Speaker 3: wanted the people that are out there to watch it
Speaker 3: to know that was not my life choice. I did
Speaker 3: not want to do that. However, at forty and now
Speaker 3: looking that was a path that was carved out for
Speaker 3: me from the creator. And when I think about it
Speaker 3: in this space, I think about how many people have
Speaker 3: watched me, from you ladies, to other trans women to
Speaker 3: hetero so many heterosexual people to superstars. It is whose
Speaker 3: lives that I've changed just by me existing. And so
Speaker 3: when I get to the space that I am now
Speaker 3: to occupy lots of public, big platforms, television and all
Speaker 3: that type of stuff. If I didn't have any of that,
Speaker 3: yeah testimony, I wouldn't have no story to tell or
Speaker 3: to I wouldn't have a place to help deliver other people.
Speaker 1: So I've gotten to a place in my life now
Speaker 1: just recently, and I still have my struggle moments where
Speaker 1: I understand that the journey has really nothing to do
Speaker 1: with me. And when you're called on a journey to
Speaker 1: do something from the Creator, it has it's it has
Speaker 1: its role. Right, So I'm not mad at my mother. Okay,
Speaker 1: she only did what was supposed to do with what
Speaker 1: she knew, what she knew to do, and she had
Speaker 1: to say goodbye it. Yes, she did what was she
Speaker 1: had to do and what the Creator put me inside
Speaker 1: of her to do for the world. She didn't know
Speaker 1: that she had to have that difficult journey. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that, you know, I didn't start realizing that there
Speaker 1: was purpose behind me until twenty fourteen. I know that
Speaker 1: I didn't know that Big Dig Bitch dot com or
Speaker 1: do what it did. Like I was a millionaire when
Speaker 1: I was in my twenty foot did Big Dig Bitch
Speaker 1: for nobody?
Speaker 3: Dot Com was an adult pace site that I created
Speaker 3: when I was home little girl girl.
Speaker 1: I listened, y'all, but what was that your So I
Speaker 1: want to tell you the one scene what I did.
Speaker 2: I was in the back of like a really big house.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was your house mine, Okay,
Speaker 2: and it was and and it was weird because you
Speaker 2: shot at it at night time.
Speaker 1: But I remember you laid something out.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you was sucking this fine, light
Speaker 2: skinned man and I think he out of head brains.
Speaker 2: Do you know the scene I'm talking about? Oh my god,
Speaker 2: he do you remember?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: You know exactly the se and I was like, this
Speaker 2: is shot so but you got up on top rolled him.
Speaker 3: I laid it was like a with mosquitos and ship outside.
Speaker 1: It was so homemade. But the man was dick was big.
Speaker 1: I was like, I paved the way for these only
Speaker 1: fan girls talk ship. I did well in you and
Speaker 1: this was a time where we still had the porn
Speaker 1: star era.
Speaker 2: You said, no, I'm going own my own. Yes, I
Speaker 2: at the time was not finding any other trends. Women
Speaker 2: on the no black wearing a wig, but they weren't living.
Speaker 2: They weren't living as a trans not the black ones.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. All that is part of my journey.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why.
Speaker 3: After the firings and after the jobs, and after all
Speaker 3: the stuff or whatever, and after the the you know,
Speaker 3: the being homeless and stuff, I threw myself into All right, well,
Speaker 3: if I'm if this is what I'm gonna do, this
Speaker 3: is what I'm gonna do. So I need more ass,
Speaker 3: more tits, more bodies. I ended up getting sick from silicon.
Speaker 3: I got silicone poison. No, I ended up getting sick.
Speaker 3: I ended up, you know, having to move back home.
Speaker 3: But with with everything, with.
Speaker 1: Everything, I came back home with everything, I was skinny.
Speaker 1: I was like one hundred and thirty seven pounds. Wow.
Speaker 3: And and this is how me and my mother reunited.
Speaker 3: As I had been out of the world, I came
Speaker 3: back home. I was about twenty two. And I remember
Speaker 3: me because you know, I'm from the time where AIDS
Speaker 3: HIV was like h it was no HIV, it was
Speaker 3: just AID.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just said it and then you would and
Speaker 1: then you would die and you would die.
Speaker 3: And so you know, everybody talked about, you know, don't
Speaker 3: be a because you go out there and be a
Speaker 3: you're gonna die of AIDS. So me coming home sick
Speaker 3: and skinny, so you know, your parents is thinking like,
Speaker 3: oh God, my child has AIDS, like because because you
Speaker 3: were sick. Yeah, but this was not the case. I
Speaker 3: was silicone points, did you know what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I went to the hospital because I had like like
Speaker 3: like if you see the stories now, like the stories
Speaker 3: are people tell the stories or whatever?
Speaker 1: Well, I want to well, you go into the hospital
Speaker 1: or transitioning in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did they Well you go into the hospital
Speaker 3: with open wounds from where this stuff is open and
Speaker 3: it is leaking on you and stuff like that or whatever,
Speaker 3: and then you're hearing like during that time, like so
Speaker 3: many people were dying like of back right doors, object
Speaker 3: shacks or whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: And and then I come home poisoned.
Speaker 3: I tried to do everything I could not to come home,
Speaker 3: but I just I went back to my apartment.
Speaker 1: I was so sick, like I was so sick. I
Speaker 1: was so small, I couldn't move.
Speaker 3: I had like open wounds on my body, you know,
Speaker 3: from it, you know, and I and I still have
Speaker 3: those scars. I kept those scars on me, and I
Speaker 3: kept those scars to remind older me where younger me was.
Speaker 3: I and I because I could have had skin grafts
Speaker 3: and had that shit, you know. But I decided to
Speaker 3: keep those things because those are those are my those
Speaker 3: are my war wounds and the reminders of bitch. Don't
Speaker 3: you ever even when you because it's it gets addicted
Speaker 3: like tattoos. That's why there's so many big bodies and
Speaker 3: so many big because it gets addicted. So I came home.
Speaker 3: I remember my aunt. I moved in the house with
Speaker 3: my aunt, and I was laying in the bed back there,
Speaker 3: and my mother came in and she just broke into
Speaker 3: tears because I was laying in the bed like I
Speaker 3: was a patient. I was skinny. I've had big pads
Speaker 3: laying on me. What I was just leaking. And the
Speaker 3: doctors at the time don't know how to how do
Speaker 3: you know how to get how do you know how
Speaker 3: to do this? And you're a man, how do you
Speaker 3: know how to do this?
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck? What are you anyway? Like, what's
Speaker 1: going on here? You know? You who did this to you?
Speaker 1: That treatment was even coming from the doctors? Yeah, who
Speaker 1: did this to you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Why would you even lay down and let somebody do
Speaker 3: this to you? Like, you know, it's like I don't
Speaker 3: want to explain nothing. You don't understand. Some home, you know,
Speaker 3: and my aunt is washing my wounds whatever. My mother
Speaker 3: comes in and then she just burst into tears and
Speaker 3: we had a moment and and she said to me
Speaker 3: that I would never have to walk in the world
Speaker 3: alone again.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, Tis, you can't be coming here like y'all.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, these are these things happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I'm still young, I still am
Speaker 1: trans I still want things, you know. So I heal up.
Speaker 1: And when I heal up, I told my aunt, I said,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't live here in Miami. I can't
Speaker 1: live here. I can't.
Speaker 3: It's nothing from me because I'm going to get back
Speaker 3: into the same ship I'm gonna be, you know, I
Speaker 3: can't live I moved to Atlanta. I never walked the
Speaker 3: streets again. Wow, what was it about Atlanta that felt
Speaker 3: like you.
Speaker 1: I met a girl here. I met like everybody. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, when I think about people that are placed
Speaker 1: divinely in your mm hmmm. I met a queen here. Ironically,
Speaker 1: I met a queen here through a friend that was
Speaker 1: dating and a guy. She was from Florida and she
Speaker 1: moved up here and she was dating a guy and
Speaker 1: the guy was a trans chaser. Girl, Honey, I don't
Speaker 1: know how he found my number. I heard chase. Wait,
Speaker 1: I've heard chubby chaser. This trans chasers. It was another
Speaker 1: word for it was a training chasers. Okay, chaser, you
Speaker 1: know things done.
Speaker 3: So you got my number through the girl and it's
Speaker 3: I'm like, vegetar.
Speaker 1: He was calling me in Florida, So I'm like, who
Speaker 1: is this calling?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What is anyway? So my so my girlfriends like, come
Speaker 3: on up here. You know this is my boyfriend. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I come up here to Atlanta.
Speaker 3: And I meet who she was living with and my
Speaker 3: it was ts Eve this who introduced me to all
Speaker 3: the porn self she was living with her. My friend
Speaker 3: ironically went back to Florida, got.
Speaker 1: Pumped and died the wow got pumped like injection. Yeah, pump.
Speaker 1: I just healed up from it. She went back to Florida,
Speaker 1: went down there and got pumped died. Wow.
Speaker 3: So me and missus Eve become with friends, right and
Speaker 3: she says to me, Uh, I said, girl, I can't
Speaker 3: live down there in Florida no more, girl, whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm on tour right now.
Speaker 3: Like as soon as I healed up whatever scab came
Speaker 3: over those those those pump sores, I was up the cell.
Speaker 1: I was, I walked. I was back walking the sidewalk again,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I can't keep fucking doing this.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I went to Georgia. I came up here to Georgia.
Speaker 3: She introduced me to Creative Loafing, and and uh, what
Speaker 3: do you say? Creative Loafing created the Excitement magazine? Like
Speaker 3: all these all these publications where men by transactuals. So sheed,
Speaker 3: but is it is it like a classified as they
Speaker 3: were classified. She started introducing me to these things. You know,
Speaker 3: she was an advanced whoor. I was just you know,
Speaker 3: I was a street walk right now. It was just
Speaker 3: like this is safer for you. Yeah, and being on
Speaker 3: the street. Yeah, you know, I don't walk, ob t,
Speaker 3: I don't walk so.
Speaker 1: Real quick the classified for trans women.
Speaker 2: I know, like I'm familiar with heroes we knew about
Speaker 2: back in the day, but these were specific for trans women.
Speaker 2: And were was it men looking for transit?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or you can go into truck stops like it's
Speaker 1: like a lot of the truckers, like a lot of
Speaker 1: the truck drivers that would come and they would call
Speaker 1: it was a magazine called hot Chocolate. It was just
Speaker 1: a bunch off.
Speaker 2: Were these magazines they were in certain there were some
Speaker 2: of the random gay clubs too, magazine.
Speaker 3: When some of them were in the game, listen some
Speaker 3: of them. But here's the thing. This is where this
Speaker 3: is the I didn't know about it. This is where
Speaker 3: the the not the consumer, but this is where the
Speaker 3: seller started to understand the consumer. Ain't no straight man
Speaker 3: going to no gay Bob. Put that ship in the
Speaker 3: sex store. Oh he's going in the sex store.
Speaker 1: That's exactly where he's going.
Speaker 3: He ain't going in the gay look because ain't no
Speaker 3: straight ain't no gay man, want no transsexual. Sorry, ladies,
Speaker 3: say it again, there's no gay man again. So there
Speaker 3: ain't no gay man, want no transsexual. And if he does,
Speaker 3: he's not a gay man.
Speaker 1: He's fluid.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you believe that we should have their by
Speaker 2: gay and then there should be something for trans attracting.
Speaker 1: I'm in fluid.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I think that he still should have his the ability
Speaker 3: to consider himself straight because we're female presenting regardless of
Speaker 3: wherever he goes presenting.
Speaker 2: Yes, but what about needing intrinsically likes not no longer
Speaker 2: attracted to trans women that are postop that wants dick.
Speaker 2: So that's and that's what's gonna be my question too,
Speaker 2: because you can be attracted and date and have sex
Speaker 2: with trans women, right because there are women. However, even
Speaker 2: to me, when I peg men when I'm penetrating a man,
Speaker 2: oh I love baby peg the stallion. Hello, when I'm
Speaker 2: penetrating a man, that's the question I get. Even though
Speaker 2: I'm a woman with a vagina and I'm using a
Speaker 2: plastic strap. The number one question is, well, aren't they gathing?
Speaker 2: And so then what do you differentiate between men who
Speaker 2: are tops and bottoms who deal with trans women?
Speaker 3: I think that sexuality and and and and sexual pleasure
Speaker 3: is different, like like.
Speaker 1: Whatever, sexuality and sexual pleasure different.
Speaker 3: Because here's the thing, like I talked to you earlier
Speaker 3: about me, I have I like feed, I will, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 1: I like I get a I can put the soul
Speaker 1: of a foot under my nose and I can have
Speaker 1: an erection.
Speaker 2: Wow, seriously, because I need to be a certain type
Speaker 2: of Do you like scent?
Speaker 1: Do you like I like the way I like the
Speaker 1: way of foot smells after being in the nice you.
Speaker 2: Okay, the size matter, just blink of the toes matter.
Speaker 2: I need to know your foot, pettig.
Speaker 1: You are crazy.
Speaker 3: I like all types of feet. I like men's feet.
Speaker 3: Like I follow up. I follow up a website.
Speaker 1: I mean a page it's called trapped trapped feet and
Speaker 1: slides feet and slide. Yeah, I follow that because they
Speaker 1: have it's like trap a trap like boy like, I
Speaker 1: like it's like that. Ain't the nice got the stuff
Speaker 1: you said?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: They they be on their they be in their shoes
Speaker 3: and some of the trap trap feet, trapped feet and slide.
Speaker 1: You see it, I do when you see it, says
Speaker 1: followed by me, hold on, wait, you gotta find the
Speaker 1: other one. But not the niggas in jail. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of niggas in jail, and they feed. It's it's
Speaker 1: a lot of uh. Okay, they should come they this.
Speaker 1: I like seat toes. Do you like toe jo? Like
Speaker 1: for jobs?
Speaker 3: I have had a foot job done by me that
Speaker 3: knew how to do it like that was into trans
Speaker 3: girls that like that knew how to give me a
Speaker 3: foot job. You know I've given men foot jobs, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean I got into a I got into that
Speaker 3: footship like a guy did that to me by like
Speaker 3: in my feet. I was like, get off on my feet,
Speaker 3: and then you said it. Then I was like, he's right,
Speaker 3: you see look it's a cute feet.
Speaker 1: I ain't go okay, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Is men do not have very nice feat A lot
Speaker 2: like they be having a little black toenails and ship.
Speaker 1: They be ashy. Can I tell you something?
Speaker 4: You like it?
Speaker 1: Like that?
Speaker 3: Sometimes a little bit a little like a little dark
Speaker 3: skin toe you like a little bit a little on
Speaker 3: the dark skids.
Speaker 1: Because I know he can't help that. I know he
Speaker 1: can't help that. It's like tiger stripes on a woman.
Speaker 3: He can't help that he got a little He can't
Speaker 3: help that. He ain't mean that that's the one you
Speaker 3: still put it? No, I just rub it on my
Speaker 3: titties and stuff like that. Have you ever have you
Speaker 3: ever put a toe. Have you to about you never
Speaker 3: put it.
Speaker 1: To on your button because I don't want it to
Speaker 1: I don't want to toe to penetrate me. I put
Speaker 1: my toe and he sat on my foot. Yeah he's yeah,
Speaker 1: he was, but it was it was a little weird.
Speaker 2: I said, niggas kind of raised my pussy when I
Speaker 2: like when I'm sucking dick, and I'm just like, I
Speaker 2: don't want.
Speaker 1: Your pussy, but I definitely like fee on me. I
Speaker 1: don't care.
Speaker 2: I've noticed men, especially like in missionary, they love them
Speaker 2: feet on their face. So that's why I told you
Speaker 2: hearing that that's a fetish for men right now, and
Speaker 2: why I called it vanilla.
Speaker 1: That's how it started.
Speaker 2: I'm telling her how I just went out with a
Speaker 2: guy who likes feet and I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: vanilla because a lot of men now are like putting
Speaker 2: toes and mouths and yeah, totally like like faces.
Speaker 3: But my man got me into it. Oh a man
Speaker 3: did that to me? Made you like yes, because he
Speaker 3: started sucking my toes and I got any rection and
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean, she saw my first foot experience.
Speaker 3: I sucked my friend's toes.
Speaker 1: In a pool and then I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this wasn't that.
Speaker 2: We were at a sex resort, were in make resort,
Speaker 2: and I don't know why. I don't We was in
Speaker 2: a pool, so I don't even know how her foot
Speaker 2: got even near.
Speaker 1: My mouth because you were drunk, bitch, I don't know
Speaker 1: how that happened. I don't know. Wait, wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Guy my toes at the pool first? I think that's
Speaker 2: how I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 1: Man, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: After I saw the foot in the foot, I said,
Speaker 2: let me get let me get it. I just thought
Speaker 2: I was neck.
Speaker 1: She was like time to go.
Speaker 2: You thought I was gonna suck your tone, No, not you.
Speaker 2: I just thought there was abody suck man.
Speaker 1: Then we started girl. So I'm looking at other people like, okay,
Speaker 1: well somebody's.
Speaker 2: Foot in and side by the way, this is crazy
Speaker 2: that this is what happened that sex uh sex resorts?
Speaker 1: Well, ship, you know you have a COMEANX side. Can
Speaker 1: I tell y'all that I'm so reserved now, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. You are a little too lip for
Speaker 1: a sex resort. I'm reserved now. I want to tell
Speaker 1: you I've done I've done it. So reserve means now
Speaker 1: that you've got it out of your system, you just
Speaker 1: want one. Oh I don't want to do all it.
Speaker 1: It's exhausted.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you why, because even through all of that,
Speaker 3: I had to I had to teach you myself how
Speaker 3: to not have feelings emotions so much so the majority
Speaker 3: of my life I have been detached emotions, detached emotionally,
Speaker 3: there's no feeling, there's no connection I had.
Speaker 1: I've had to detach myself. I have not one trans
Speaker 1: woman friend that doesn't say this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to detach myself from that. And so
Speaker 3: majority of my life I've lived my life in detachment
Speaker 3: from emotion and love from a partner. So I'm learning
Speaker 3: this stuff now. I'm learning.
Speaker 1: Maddy, we got to talk because this is what I'm
Speaker 1: doing dealing with with the book right now.
Speaker 2: The podcast being in your twenties and maybe I mean
Speaker 2: they just went through my first relationship as an adult,
Speaker 2: but having sex and it being transactional, the disconnect that
Speaker 2: you have with how you feel like men should show
Speaker 2: up for you, the treatment sometimes the value of yourself.
Speaker 2: Once you really get that, now you can't go back.
Speaker 1: I haven't had it. Wow, I thought I thought I
Speaker 1: had it from a couple of gentlemen, but I haven't
Speaker 1: had it still to this day. Like a true love,
Speaker 1: I think it comes in the form of friends, okay,
Speaker 1: but not in the form of partners. What makes you
Speaker 1: What makes you say that? Because we we a lot
Speaker 1: of Like what makes he say that? Like that's my
Speaker 1: friend right there, but we're not sexual and he is
Speaker 1: my also my bodyguard, but we're not sexual. We don't
Speaker 1: have a sexual but we talk every day. Yes, And
Speaker 1: but with partners, romantic partners, it doesn't have to get there.
Speaker 1: I don't have it interesting, I don't have it. Is
Speaker 1: it because of how they are not prepared to be
Speaker 1: with you? Is that what you find?
Speaker 3: I think it's because you know, they are all so
Speaker 3: emotionally damaged, because I do feel like it's an emotional
Speaker 3: damage thing that's with me, you know, because I had
Speaker 3: to be emotionally disconnected like that. I was seeing too
Speaker 3: many men when I moved he to Atlanta. When I
Speaker 3: came from Florida to Atlanta, and I and all that
Speaker 3: books and my friend introduced me to all that ship,
Speaker 3: and my phone was blowing up. I never walked the
Speaker 3: streets again. And then I became the premier prostitute here
Speaker 3: because I was from Florida, well and down hood.
Speaker 1: Fun FUNQ. I went pretty in I'm gorgeous now because
Speaker 1: I was skiing my money. Of course, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Changed, Okay, it's special. Yeah. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you something that you asked Mandy and I off camera.
Speaker 1: Do you want kids to when you.
Speaker 3: Grow and you start being a business woman and stuff
Speaker 3: and you start obtaining assets and homes and all this stuff,
Speaker 3: and you're like, damn when I die, ain't nobody gonna
Speaker 3: get this.
Speaker 1: I don't have nobody to take that on.
Speaker 2: Maybe only because of that, I ask you because but
Speaker 2: that's the thing, the idea of those material things. When
Speaker 2: when I get asked that same question and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: what are you what are you leaving behind, Maddie, everything
Speaker 2: you've done, like you've left things that are gonna transcend
Speaker 2: a home, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: The content that you released isn't going anywhere you Somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna watch this and be like this and it's you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And this all exists beyond us. Like whenever that's asked,
Speaker 2: the businesses that you have the lives you've changed. Those
Speaker 2: things are what you're leaving behind to care about, where
Speaker 2: you're gonna leave a house, what all you've done, and
Speaker 2: how you've navigated your life. When you said that this
Speaker 2: is your path that God has given you, I relate
Speaker 2: so much in that because I do believe that you
Speaker 2: were here to change so much more than just raise
Speaker 2: one life. And you also give know how many you
Speaker 2: know how impactful you are. But this is just a
Speaker 2: small little thing to tell you. I went to go
Speaker 2: see Was It Bros. With Billy Aikner, and it was
Speaker 2: one of the first gay feature films of all time.
Speaker 2: Like in a theater I would see by myself in
Speaker 2: New York. I'm in a West village, imime, this would
Speaker 2: be fun. Where in the West village? You know it's
Speaker 2: it's pretty white. But there was a black dude next
Speaker 2: to me when you came up on the screen. Him
Speaker 2: and I both man at the same time, and he
Speaker 2: turned to me, goes.
Speaker 1: Can you leave this bitch?
Speaker 2: Used to do por right, and I'm laughing. And after
Speaker 2: the movie he was like, I really wasn't ready to
Speaker 2: see that. He's like, I knew it was a white movie.
Speaker 2: I knew black people, but like this bitch really was
Speaker 2: just in the movie theater and you see TV and
Speaker 2: now streaming, it's like it's nothing.
Speaker 1: But when that moment happened, I was like, can there
Speaker 1: be another one of you? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Special, I think because there's no because there's no one
Speaker 3: like right now, like coming from pornographic movies.
Speaker 1: I'm the only one.
Speaker 2: And I love that you literally like even when you're
Speaker 2: searched now, and I think this is so fascinating because
Speaker 2: there are so many people who have tried to navigate
Speaker 2: and change uh mainstream and go from porn to mainstream media.
Speaker 2: When you search you now it's actress. It's not adult action.
Speaker 1: It is actress, and that's it. Nothing before No, I
Speaker 1: did the work. Let me tell you why I did
Speaker 1: the work. I did the work at the same amount
Speaker 1: of energy I put into making myself infamous for being
Speaker 1: Big Day Bitch dot Com. I put that same energy,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you very Kim Kardashian of you.
Speaker 3: I went to my mother and I said, Mommy, after like,
Speaker 3: after all this stuff in the Big Day Bitch dot Com,
Speaker 3: and then my life changed with Vine.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how much time we got right,
Speaker 1: my life changed through vine ourself. I went to my
Speaker 1: mommy and I said, Mommy, listen to me. I don't
Speaker 1: want to do no more. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: it no more. I'm tired of it and I'm tired
Speaker 1: of men touching me. I'm tired of men being having
Speaker 1: the ability to touch me and touch because I I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm above no bitch, but I know I am.
Speaker 1: And them put the assholes that used to tell they
Speaker 1: used to think that we were the same. I told
Speaker 1: you we was never the same. And the only thing
Speaker 1: that kept me the same with them was niggas being
Speaker 1: able to call my soul. I said, I want to
Speaker 1: do this, bitch. I see that I don't want to
Speaker 1: do this. Please, I called. I told my mommy. Me
Speaker 1: and my mother held hands like two grand high priests
Speaker 1: and pray and she said, if you serious about you
Speaker 1: not want to do this no more, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go to God. And I went right there with God too.
Speaker 3: I haven't done porn in over a decade, maybe twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: maybe somewhere, maybe like because I had stopped when I
Speaker 3: when I started getting mainstream.
Speaker 1: Like, what did you want?
Speaker 2: Did you want to be a personality? Did you want
Speaker 2: to be an actress. I just didn't want to do porn.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: and then I do want to lean.
Speaker 2: Into the advocacy because you speak out a lot about
Speaker 2: people who.
Speaker 1: That happened to twenty fourteen. I'll tell you why. Okay,
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. It happened because the world was changing. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to see where I was. Laverne was on the
Speaker 1: cover of Laverne Cox was on the cover of Time magazine,
Speaker 1: and that's the time when I was doing a vine
Speaker 1: and then my shit was popping up and I.
Speaker 3: Was New Weave twenty two inches. Yes, this is how
Speaker 3: a lot of people from mainstream found me. From New
Speaker 3: Weave nor Wave twenty two inches. Yes, but I was
Speaker 3: still promoting the little second video. Yeah, I was still
Speaker 3: promoting poorn at the time. And so the conversation became
Speaker 3: because that's funny that that ship here. I mean, I
Speaker 3: was world wide overnight. How you feel you see that?
Speaker 1: Who was it? Who owns Twitter?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Jack, I think just tweeted something. I don't
Speaker 2: know what he's still involved with. Oh Facebook, Mark just
Speaker 2: tweeted making the quote making a poll.
Speaker 1: About bringing vine back, I would would you? Would you?
Speaker 2: Knowing that we are still so short form content. Now,
Speaker 2: I know you have your show, we know TikTok going
Speaker 2: over there. Okay, I'm gonna be honest. I want TikTok
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: You want TikTok to go.
Speaker 2: I've made a lot of comments. I had my best
Speaker 2: seller and I learned it from TikTok. Just sell it
Speaker 2: out eat every week, giving me the It's not that
Speaker 2: I don't enjoy using it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to stop anybody's money.
Speaker 2: But I just feel like we're all losing ourselves so much,
Speaker 2: and I feel like if we could just remove one
Speaker 2: more piece.
Speaker 1: I think too, But I don't want nobody's income to go.
Speaker 1: I don't want the income to go. A wait, that's it.
Speaker 1: But I think I just want people to just go
Speaker 1: back outside, learn what it's like to connect. Motherfuckers. It's weird.
Speaker 2: The reason that we've had so much trouble dating is
Speaker 2: ship like this. I really believe the podcast. No no, no,
Speaker 2: I don't believe this the podcast. I believe social media
Speaker 2: makes it very difficult for people to date.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: The way, the way that you interact and if we
Speaker 2: just had a little bit less. I actually thought to
Speaker 2: myself recently, the last three men I dated had no Instagram,
Speaker 2: and the man I'm with now is no Instagram. That
Speaker 2: must mean something like, yeah, a nigga, How am I
Speaker 2: get an attracted instagramm he was his other phone.
Speaker 1: He was using three different names.
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, like I think I must
Speaker 2: be attracted to people that are completely the opposite. I'm
Speaker 2: traumatized with his other phone. Give me the Instagram, I
Speaker 2: go hold you. My home girl just went on a
Speaker 2: date with a nigga. He said he had all this,
Speaker 2: all this, We couldn't find a LinkedIn his name. He
Speaker 2: was attached to some use. I said, girl here SyRI Killer. Nope,
Speaker 2: don't date him. Oh you know I had the FBI
Speaker 2: my nigga. Yeah, I told Mandy, I think, I said
Speaker 2: on the podcast. Because he has no profile anywhere, right,
Speaker 2: He's just We go to his mother's house.
Speaker 1: One day and I knew what house it was. He
Speaker 1: was like, how did you know the street? And It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: because I google the ship up this nigga.
Speaker 2: I found everything, the family tree or grandfather, that what
Speaker 2: his nieces look like.
Speaker 1: But it's because when you don't have social media.
Speaker 3: What oh god, I know you're gonna watch this baby,
Speaker 3: but or whatever. So I was dating this NFL guy here, okay.
Speaker 1: And that's how I found him. What you mean, that's
Speaker 1: how you found him.
Speaker 3: That's how I found out who he was like, because
Speaker 3: he had sent me some money okay, and then he
Speaker 3: sent me some money again. Then he sent me some
Speaker 3: money again, and he had mixed all the names up
Speaker 3: because I had been out of the business and all
Speaker 3: this stuff happened like right after I got out of
Speaker 3: the business, like out of because I just didn't want
Speaker 3: to be and I just didn't want men touching me
Speaker 3: no more. Right, And so you know, we started sucking around,
Speaker 3: it started sexual well, and then we became friends and
Speaker 3: then you know, we got into a little situation and
Speaker 3: which which we both confirmed.
Speaker 1: Just recently that we was in a relationship. How did
Speaker 1: you meet him? Well, you know, he emailed me.
Speaker 2: Wait, this isn't who was confused? They was confused about
Speaker 2: you being with right, Okay.
Speaker 1: I no, I don't know. Yeah, you cleared that up.
Speaker 1: Oh wait that was you?
Speaker 2: Oh they confused okay, okay, okay, always okay, I know
Speaker 2: the tea is.
Speaker 1: They thought that Martell Hope and and me and me
Speaker 1: and got out and about and then and.
Speaker 2: Then the headline was so yucky because you're an advocate
Speaker 2: of the community. The tagline of it was that he's
Speaker 2: trying to rebrand himself by aligning with a trans woman
Speaker 2: to like.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, Okay, I did too, and
Speaker 1: I jumped ahead. I saw you jumped up because I
Speaker 1: didn't like. Let me tell you how I jumped.
Speaker 3: I jumped ahead of that ship because I don't want
Speaker 3: to be I never And here's another reason why it's talk.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be attached to no man. That's
Speaker 3: why I know I don't. I don't like d o niggas.
Speaker 3: But I'm also not gonna be said, yeah, girl, I'm
Speaker 3: fucking such and such.
Speaker 1: That's not my swag.
Speaker 3: I want all you os out there to think that
Speaker 3: I'm fat, I'm old, that don't know men want me
Speaker 3: because you know I've been a point. I want all
Speaker 3: y'all to think that they only won't sit and start,
Speaker 3: they only want to. I want y'all to only I
Speaker 3: want you to think that that's the only that them,
Speaker 3: the only ones they won't because I don't don't attach me.
Speaker 1: To none of them niggas. I don't want to just
Speaker 1: I don't want to be attached to none of them niggas. Right,
Speaker 1: but please know that ain't the only Please but please
Speaker 1: know that, bitch, I was rich while while a lot
Speaker 1: of those girls when they were young transitioning.
Speaker 3: I was rich from niggas, m from from them with
Speaker 3: they ain't brand tags. But that's enough that, ain't That
Speaker 3: ain't a story that I'm ever gonna tell. No, I
Speaker 3: never want to be linked to no man and they
Speaker 3: and and then my talents are submerged and so great.
Speaker 2: Well and right now that's like the new the new thing,
Speaker 2: like the maybe Mama exposing whoever. Like women are now
Speaker 2: leaning into getting there starting from who they're fucking, who
Speaker 2: they're attached to and not doing which again is why
Speaker 2: you said I'm different than you.
Speaker 1: Bitch. Yeah, that's not what I want to do. And
Speaker 1: if it takes me longer to go to where I
Speaker 1: need to go, I'm fine with that. This is not
Speaker 1: a racist the marathon, honey, tuck your ship boom. But
Speaker 1: I wanted to say this, right, I gotta go back.
Speaker 1: I want to get back Hot Chocolate magazine.
Speaker 3: Being in the back of the sword the straight men
Speaker 3: in there finding me put me in this situation to
Speaker 3: where you know they're they're they're looking for trans women
Speaker 3: in the straight bars or whatever and stuff. My girlfriend,
Speaker 3: Miss Eve, teaches me how to do uh, read colds
Speaker 3: and ship like that. So I started reading colds and
Speaker 3: things and learning how to do web web okay HTML
Speaker 3: and all this time. So I come from Florida, I'm
Speaker 3: learning how to do all this stuff. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't need to work for no company. And all
Speaker 3: the stuff she done.
Speaker 1: Taught me how to do this shit.
Speaker 3: Fast forward boom, I'm coming a big name here in Atlanta, right,
Speaker 3: big name. You walk in the porn stores there, I
Speaker 3: go on the poster cock hanging out. I didn't have
Speaker 3: I earned my own distribution, my own like I didn't
Speaker 3: have any distribution company.
Speaker 1: I got my own distribution.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you real quick with the men that
Speaker 2: were in these magazines only because you said it quickly,
Speaker 2: You said you don't like DM men. Then you referred
Speaker 2: to the men getting these magazines as straight. Would you consider, however,
Speaker 2: a man d L if they don't disclose to a
Speaker 2: woman that he dates trans women.
Speaker 1: I think that that. I think that men who date
Speaker 1: trans women don't have a safe space. I don't think
Speaker 1: they have a safe space to even tell a tell
Speaker 1: a person like that. But I mean, don't you think
Speaker 1: that DM men don't have a safe space either. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. No, No, because you're DMN.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Well all the well, No,
Speaker 3: that just men in general who they transform just I
Speaker 3: don't think they have a safe space to even just
Speaker 3: be open up, even just have an experienced because I
Speaker 3: think that they're mean.
Speaker 2: But you wouldn't consider them DL for not disclosing to
Speaker 2: a woman, like because that's it all.
Speaker 3: Depends on how they're doing it. Like if you're dating
Speaker 3: a woman, if you're in an active relationship with a
Speaker 3: woman and all you're doing is having sex with trains, okay,
Speaker 3: then that you need to tell this lady what you're doing.
Speaker 2: But if but if a man has dealt with a
Speaker 2: trans woman in his past, you don't feel like he
Speaker 2: has to disclose that to his next partner. Why I
Speaker 2: don't think you need to disclose it unless I'm outside
Speaker 2: of your type. I don't ever want to be outside
Speaker 2: of someone's type and feel like I'm out the loop.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing with bisexuality that a lot of
Speaker 2: women there's this dicey thing. I don't give a fuck
Speaker 2: if you kissed the nigga, fuck whatever happened. But if
Speaker 2: you really like to be actible men, I want to
Speaker 2: be included in that.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing we're talking about. A man here,
Speaker 1: what type do me? And God? We say they chicken sandwich?
Speaker 1: Bit what that's true? They got So it's you're still
Speaker 1: his type? True, But he just had some some he
Speaker 1: probably had an experience. An experience to me isn't worth
Speaker 1: doing the whole confessional. But you that's what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: explor or jail or jail or because it's one of
Speaker 1: us in your neighborhood. Experiment's one of us in the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: one or two of us in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: That's the craziest thing to People are acting like trans women.
Speaker 1: Just nooped out of nowhere. Come all the hood niggas
Speaker 1: where I was from.
Speaker 3: Let me not say that, not all of them, but
Speaker 3: a good a good click of them niggas doesn't funck
Speaker 3: out of me.
Speaker 1: But exploring is so natural and that's why I don't
Speaker 1: feel like we're a good clicking of them.
Speaker 3: Niggas don't fucking shit out of me because I transitioned
Speaker 3: in front of them, and so it was just like, Yo,
Speaker 3: they were intragued, How did you let me see your titties?
Speaker 1: Let me see how you how you do and they
Speaker 1: and they often wanted to know if you still had
Speaker 1: your dick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me sip you still got it. You gotta
Speaker 3: pussy down. Then some of them was like, until you
Speaker 3: get that deck cut off, you ain't gonna give you
Speaker 3: no dick. Then I got older and famous, and you
Speaker 3: know it was and then they changed. They would tell
Speaker 3: me that offensive to you because we were friends, we
Speaker 3: were joking and all that. Until you get you a pussy,
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna motherfuck you, you know, dick. Because I's
Speaker 3: been like, let me get some of that deck. Let
Speaker 3: me you not doing that until you get get you
Speaker 3: a pussy, and then I'm gonna give.
Speaker 1: You some of the stick. And I feel like that's
Speaker 1: the most exciting thing. But it's just fun. And I've
Speaker 1: always been a bubbly personality.
Speaker 3: I've always been I've always you know, shared Another nigga
Speaker 3: used to want to whoop a nigga as if they
Speaker 3: was fucking with me.
Speaker 1: I lived in the trap, in the trap, my my, my,
Speaker 1: My duplex. Door was this way. The trap duplex though
Speaker 1: was this way. The niggas will come over there, bad
Speaker 1: weed the niggas and slides. Then they'll come over.
Speaker 3: Then they'll come over here, knock on the door, and
Speaker 3: you got all you gotta. I'm like, you know, but
Speaker 3: you know, I don't see and they're like, what you
Speaker 3: got to here?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Me us because it's because especially when you're a trans
Speaker 3: girl in the neighborhood, your.
Speaker 1: House is marked. Everybody felt with your house is smart,
Speaker 1: like everybody knows. Don't be because either they're telling you
Speaker 1: don't be fooled by that or either they saying, bro,
Speaker 1: that motherfucker got what are they trying to jump out
Speaker 1: the back doors? Some of them, Man, this came out
Speaker 1: of the back door, you know, and then you know
Speaker 1: someone came through the front door.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Ship, it all depends on the town.
Speaker 3: But today, you know, I've had me and profess love
Speaker 3: they love for me after I had a lot of ship,
Speaker 3: but I've also had to be emotionally unattached because also
Speaker 3: even in my fun times.
Speaker 1: Those were those men's experience. I wasn't realizing. I got
Speaker 1: one question.
Speaker 2: I gotta ask, come on, I want to know the
Speaker 2: interaction you had that is memorable to you of a
Speaker 2: woman coming to you about out her neighbors, oh by
Speaker 2: her man.
Speaker 1: And whether she was crying, whether she was like, let
Speaker 1: me just get I mean I had that a couple
Speaker 1: of times. A few times I actually had that about
Speaker 1: the boy that rode on the bicycle. Of that to
Speaker 1: my because we gave you the fifty dollars, these women
Speaker 1: angry with you. It was very much so like.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: I just was shook because I didn't know that that
Speaker 1: day he had a girl. I was gonna say, the relationships,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It's just fun, you right, I don't give the fuck.
Speaker 1: But he was really really liked me a lot, and
Speaker 1: and a little bit of that ship got into the streets.
Speaker 1: A little bit got into the streets, and that's how
Speaker 1: the girl, you know. But then I found out that
Speaker 1: he was a transchaser, so he had done had a few.
Speaker 1: The girl. I was just a new bitch on the block.
Speaker 3: Rights, So the girl was trying to figure out you.
Speaker 3: I don't want to call no names.
Speaker 1: That's what she called me.
Speaker 3: Such as as you said, I'm saying, no, I'm I'm
Speaker 3: this not because obviously he had been with this how
Speaker 3: I found not? Oh, you you've been busied with the
Speaker 3: other girls, so you can do this, okay, she said, oh, because.
Speaker 1: I was like, what happened? And it was very much
Speaker 1: so like girl, what happened? And it's just like so
Speaker 1: you and such and such. I'm like, well, I mean
Speaker 1: I know him like I know him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if anybody come up to me and ask
Speaker 2: me if I ain't gonna I mean, I know him
Speaker 2: right here.
Speaker 1: I don't know who you are, period. I don't know
Speaker 1: who you are. I don't know who you, but I
Speaker 1: know him. Uh, bitch, he's not mind because you're not.
Speaker 3: Gonna catch him at my house because if you do,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put in my side because he can't stay here.
Speaker 1: But what he doing to you, he's not gonna do
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: And that's where I'm at too with stuff in life,
Speaker 3: like all the things I've done with men, and I
Speaker 3: know how men move.
Speaker 1: It makes me. It gives me reservations with me and
Speaker 1: like ship because they they listen. That's why we said this.
Speaker 1: Why be telling ladies, y'all? Girl, you how you you
Speaker 1: can't be thinking about no treads? The man's fucking the
Speaker 1: man will fuck this. Cut hold of this pockabook and
Speaker 1: right you know everything? Oh yah, y'all got y'all all.
Speaker 2: We're gonna spread stubs right now by the way real
Speaker 2: quick too before we get out. If you guys want
Speaker 2: to catch Tys Madison on all the things she's doing,
Speaker 2: can you please let them know how busy of a
Speaker 2: b you is.
Speaker 1: I am listen. I'm a judge on RuPaul's Drag Race.
Speaker 2: It is. I'm gonna yes. I wasn't not saying I
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna smell. I wasn't ready for to
Speaker 2: smell this every this, what's everything?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a judge on Rue Paul's Drag Race.
Speaker 3: I'm on a host of television shows and series. I
Speaker 3: have my own show called The Maddie in the morning
Speaker 3: show when I do a segment called fag Talk. I
Speaker 3: have a residency here and at Lanta. I want you
Speaker 3: ladies to come out the next time if he will
Speaker 3: you know me here here in two more weeks, will
Speaker 3: be my guest.
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 3: I have a residency here. It's called the Somatian Morning
Speaker 3: Show Live. I said, the City Winery.
Speaker 1: We come out.
Speaker 3: You know, we do what we do, what I do
Speaker 3: in the morning time. You know, I'm always on tour,
Speaker 3: I'm always in the city. I'm hosting.
Speaker 1: I do everything, hosts so lot, I do everything. I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: And if y'all don't know either, I know ain't no
Speaker 2: no no more, big big, big bitch dot com. However,
Speaker 2: I know a lot of y'all still have your cowboy
Speaker 2: boots uh ready for for act two.
Speaker 1: But it's Tis Battison is a graveyard ward god, honeys
Speaker 1: beyond honey, yes, god, you know why?
Speaker 2: Can I tell you why?
Speaker 3: Because because I'm dog brown dogs, henning lights, hening beige,
Speaker 3: fluorescent beige.
Speaker 1: Bitch, I'm black.
Speaker 3: That's motherfucking why, bitch, Because I'm black, I'm black like that.
Speaker 3: That was one of the craziest And you know everybody
Speaker 3: gagged about that too. Oh you know they gagged, but
Speaker 3: they talk about all the things.
Speaker 1: You don't got us. Get some you definitely get it up.
Speaker 3: Y'all can get my perfume. You visit uh method dot com.
Speaker 3: But the ladies you can put the q R whatever.
Speaker 1: And everything. It smells so good. But it's also like
Speaker 1: this floral give it a little like it. It's better.
Speaker 1: It's very.
Speaker 3: It took me to Leachy. It took me Leach almost
Speaker 3: a year to get the right formula that I wanted.
Speaker 3: But I do want to see the bottle because I'm
Speaker 3: picky on with the bottle of the bottle is simple,
Speaker 3: because listen, I like simple bottle. Me tell you the
Speaker 3: bottle because it's.
Speaker 1: Like Whitney Houston. You know what we did.
Speaker 3: You know, Whitney came out there to pay a jeans
Speaker 3: and a T shirt. But that I just want to
Speaker 3: see the bottle because.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan, but Nicki Minaja's perfume smells
Speaker 2: good to the bottle. Looked like I should be twelve.
Speaker 2: It's like a Barbie doll head girl. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: just not a fan, so I'm a I like liking
Speaker 2: that very simple, simple perfume.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love It's just this is when they asked
Speaker 1: you what you got on everything is that. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
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Speaker 2: Were you turned on by her wearing them first and
Speaker 2: then you want to masturbate in them?
Speaker 1: Well, I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4: And no one had put the shoe on yet, but
Speaker 4: I imagine the person wearing the shoe, WHOA, how fi
Speaker 4: are they is? They were just gonna be so fucking incredible?
Speaker 1: And did you buy her this year? Well? Actually I was.
Speaker 4: I was working at Marshall's at the time, okay, and
Speaker 4: I'm in the back stock was doing this?
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I was younger. I never buy marshall
Speaker 1: Marshalls didn't I was, I was, I was in my thirties.
Speaker 1: Did you take it? Did you do it?
Speaker 4: No? I was in the I was just in a
Speaker 4: backstock room, and I was like, Yo, the person that's
Speaker 4: gonna wear this, she was gonna be so fucking fire,
Speaker 4: and she's gonna beautiful, and she's gonna let me fuck
Speaker 4: because I made her laugh and shit, oh my god,
Speaker 4: like her calfs are so crazy and I just I
Speaker 4: gave it up.
Speaker 1: I gave it up.