WEBVTT - Housewife in The Hills 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:04.320 This is a Wells Cast with Wells Adams and I 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:09.520 Heart Radio podcast. Hi guys, it's Teddy Mellencamp and I 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:13.200 am here hosting this week's The Hills Cast, filling in 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:18.320 for Wells because well He is in an undisclosed location 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.560 working on a TV project. Mm hmm. We will be 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:29.160 discussing all things the Hills and CSA key. I'm super 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:34.760 excited for both of our guests, Caroline More and Jordana Barnes. 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.319 We're gonna start the podcast talking to Caroline, which we've 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.000 got to dig into so many things. Okay, first off, 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.879 I'm gonna share a little secret with you guys. We 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:50.040 did a pilot years before I ever did Housewives, and yeah, 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.199 it wasn't It was a little messy, So maybe we'll 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:53.800 get into that. But of course we're gonna talk all 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.680 things Hills. Pizza Girl her delicious pizza sauce along with 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.640 her amazing restaurant. They one time for Valentine's Day, she 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.600 sent me a pizza and it was a heart shaped, 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.240 so cute. So I can't wait to talk about all 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:14.520 of the things. All right, you guys, So here goes. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.959 You guys submitted so many questions I love asking. So 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:19.960 we're gonna just get right into the hills and then 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.440 we'll talk other things. First, how did you in Caitl 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.199 and meet Caitl and I? How, well, that's a little 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.400 bit of like I Caitlin and I met last season, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.880 UM round a bit um. Misha and I were friends 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.800 and she was filming that season UM, and so I 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.560 was around a bit while everybody was filming. UM. But 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.360 then we had some mutual friends and we just kind 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:51.880 of fell in friendship. Love. Oh, I love that. Well, oh, 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.200 so you were friends with Misha. There's she's been in 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.880 the press a lot recently. Are you guys still in touch? 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.080 Has she been in the press a lot? Yes, about 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.000 all this stuff about the o C. And like, I'm honestly, 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.760 I'm on like a text exchange called the Delicious Crumbs 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.280 where we like share just gossip and whatnot. It's, you know, 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.640 so lovely, but either way, yeah, it's about like the 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.040 treatment when she was on you know, the o C 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:19.800 and all of these things. I've just been seeing it 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.440 everywhere and then Rachel Bilson spoke out, so I was like, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.720 it's a lot, It's a lot. I literally don't know 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:31.600 because I don't see like press, I don't even yeah, 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:37.799 I see like you know, my office, my child and 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:43.480 the outdoors one of those like, well I love that. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.600 So okay, So you guys became close through meeting on 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.400 the show essentially, and then I would say, yeah, we 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.119 met on the show for sure. Yeah, and then how 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:58.080 much should you end up filming this year? I actually 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.880 filmed a lot and they are like not showing any 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.280 of it so far, so who knows. I really like, 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.400 I have no idea, Like, I know you were kind 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.480 of new, like we had done some funny stuff together 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.480 in the past, but as for like actually being a 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.720 cast member on a show like this is my first 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.160 time and I have no idea how it actually works. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.040 But I was actually there in all of those episodes. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.000 I just yeah, um, I haven't been rolled out yet. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.600 I guess last season they had a really like hard 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:31.280 time shoving Misha into Um. It's really hard to just 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.040 like introduce a new cast member, as you know, you know, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.480 especially with something like The Hills where people have been 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:41.560 fans of the show for you know, fifteen years and 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.160 they know these cast members so well, So to just 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.480 force feed a new cast member I think is really difficult. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.480 So I think that they're giving me like a nice 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.480 ease into so it doesn't feel too forced. I think that, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.040 you know, that makes sense. What would you say has 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.320 been the easiest part in the hardest part about filming? 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:08.480 Oh my god, um, let's see the easiest part. What 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.320 was easy about filming? Um, do anything? I mean it 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.800 was it's fun at times, like it's really fun. And 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.719 then you know, for me, like because of COVID and everything, 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.960 it was such a weird way to do it for 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.280 the first time, you know, like we couldn't have any 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:28.800 outer interaction. Um, it was just us and you know, 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.520 being tested every day, and it was just very like strange, 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.080 you know what I mean. So I don't know all 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.080 the different procedures and whatnot that everybody has to fall up. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.320 Oh yeah, all the different procedures and I even through 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.400 like a Pizza Girl like relaunch event and having to 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.760 get every single person tested for that and then retested 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.320 and then like it was just it was really it 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.919 was a really weird time for me to do my 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.360 first kind of reality show season. So it was fun. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.960 And I don't think people realize how much filming act 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.560 actually goes into one episode. Like at least on the 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.480 show I did. We filmed five, six days a week, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.039 multiple things, and then there's so much that you never 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.960 see and you're like, what I had in three outfit changes? 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.880 I did all of these things and nothing like there's 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.240 just days will just be gone. It's completely crazy. I 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.960 mean the amount that I filmed, um and what people 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:28.840 are actually gonna see, it's like, I don't even it's nothing. Yeah, 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.479 it's literally nothing. So yeah, So other than Caitlin, who 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.280 are you closest with? And then who are you having 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.839 the hardest time getting along with? And you have to 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.960 give me all the juicy you tell people when they 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.960 ask you stuff like that, I mean, far scientists, Why 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.640 don't you think I have the jobs I have? I 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.480 have to It's part of being authentic. You gotta say, like, 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.360 you know, it's impossible for everybody to love everybody. It is, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.080 and that's why we're That's why the people tune in, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.919 because you like to see the chemistry of the relationships 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.480 their gel or like you know what, that's not really 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.719 my person. That's why I feel like next season it'll 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.360 be easier for me to say all these things. I 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.640 just don't know what they're gonna show and then if 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.680 I go, you know, um, you know, put my foot 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.640 in my mouth and say like I didn't get along 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.520 with somebody and they never even show it. Now I'm 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:19.280 going to have beef with somebody that I maybe didn't 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.359 even need to have, but actually you probably want to 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.240 have it, so you don't just give it to me. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.400 You can't skate around the you know what this is saying? 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.320 Everybody knows that, Like I mean, Misha's not on the 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.720 show anymore, but everybody knows that we had beef. Um, 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.400 it's really like, it's documented. It's very Yeah, that was 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.520 all the press though I don't even know what. I 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.960 don't even know about that be I literally thought you 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.240 were saying she was in the press because of our beef. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.920 Now it was your beef. Hello. I know. It was crazy. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.120 It was so crazy. So it was basically we were 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:55.960 friends last season and then she um had gone behind 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.640 my back, I guess in some way to keep me 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:01.000 off the show. So I threw a world party last 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.599 season that nobody ever got to see at Kathy Hilton's house. Um. Yeah, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.400 and it was amazing and Kathy's like, really that family 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.040 is a really good supporters and really good friends of mine, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.680 and she was like, absolutely do this, you know, for 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.320 your company and have this event. And I had the 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.040 Hills cast members there and everything, and they were actually 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.840 unable to use that scene. After I worked so hard 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.640 and Kathy and everybody came to like make this happen 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.720 for me and my company. They weren't able to use 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.400 that scene because Misha, we found out, wouldn't speak my 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.320 name in the interviews. Um, you know, like when you 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.080 do the interviews and they're like, so tell me you 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.040 were who was the event you were at and the 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.640 dada and they can't piece anything together when people are 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.680 purposely trying to keep your name, like they just won't 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.040 even mention you, right, so like it just didn't happen. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.160 So then they couldn't use the footage. I had a 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.680 lot of people last not a lot of people, but 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:56.320 more than one person last season purposely tried to hurt 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.240 my chances of being on this show. I know. It's 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.800 so much more than actual on screen drama. Like I've 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.960 actually heard because we have the same producers, you know, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.440 Evolution Alex and everybody, and I've heard that like, you 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.920 guys are much easier to handle than a deal with Well, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.200 I think it's because of the past and how you know, 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.000 the switch production companies. So I think it's how originally 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.840 was versus how it is now, all those types of things. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.760 But I think you know, what ends up happening on 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.840 all of these shows the longer that you do it, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.440 different egos are involved, different you know, different rules apply 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.120 to everybody, and it's you know what they called on 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.320 reality TV, as you know, but maybe some of the 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.440 listener's note is the fourth wall. So a lot of 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.360 the drama that everybody sees is the actual people breaking 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.320 the fourth wall. So no matter what the situation is, 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.880 like you can even tell in this episode where people 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.480 are getting upset at Heidi for drinking or whatever it 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.560 may be that like in her mind, she's already thinking, 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:01.280 what are people going to be watching this show? Thinking, See, 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.400 I didn't even think that far ahead yet. I'm so 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.360 I'm so still give it time. Yeah, I'm so green 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.120 that I'm like really thinking, like like people are so 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:15.520 calculated and um way beyond my scope of like, um 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:20.280 just mean, and it's just not something that I absolutely love, 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.760 So um I think maybe, yeah, I mean I never 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.000 thought that people would be that like they would do 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.120 things where they would look into the camera for my 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.880 scenes so that they'd be null and void. Um. They 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.160 would do things so that, um, if I spoke, they 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.160 would say things that would have to get cut out, 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:38.880 like oh, you're just trying to get in this scene. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.840 Like that happened to me so much that it's like 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.320 everybody just trying to keep the new girl down that 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.080 it's almost like that's kind of why a lot of 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.800 my stuff isn't really I don't know, it's it was 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.559 very stressful and really hard to deal with. Yeah, I mean, 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.680 I think, I mean that's about I mean, I was, 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.720 you know, on a show for three years that surrounded 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.960 itself around drama abo slee in the mix of it. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.360 But the one thing that I can say a million 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:07.240 percent is like every single person on that show wants 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.679 everybody to succeed, even if you're fighting and stuff is 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.120 dirty and like you know, we know, like the case 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.079 for this show and that's not the case for me. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.200 And it's like I just wish everybody got that. It's 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.040 a freaking TV show, you know what I mean At 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.960 the end of the day, like we can if we 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:29.560 fight or whatever, Like that's people like it was just 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.880 so complicated and like stressful to be honest, like I 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.680 just feel like nobody wants anybody to succeed on this show. 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.160 I mean a lot of people don't. Not everybody, So 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.520 sorry for saying that. I just have a lot of frustration, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:48.640 but a lot of people made um it, Hell yeah, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.400 Well what was your thoughts? Because a lot of the 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.280 questions that came in were that night that you know, 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.640 everybody was out and drinking and did you think it 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.559 was too much? Like because watching it back, I'm kind 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.120 of like, you know, actually an explanation for why I'm 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.880 not in that scene. Why really glad that it got 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.800 cut out. I ended up getting wasted at the winery 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.600 prior to that, and um, fell asleep in the bus 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.959 on the way back to that scene. So that's not 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.760 anybody shown that that was my fault. Yeah, and he didn't. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.120 They're not showing like stuff like that. So and I'm 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:29.520 actually slightly veryful. Um I was, I was wild on 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.320 that bus ride home. But yeah, I do think that 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.600 they should have shown that. I think they should have 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.480 sene that. And for me, like if you're going away 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.320 on a trip, I'm not saying that you have to 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.960 get wasted. But I didn't like that everybody was like 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.800 dogging them out for doing it. Like one, Hidie is 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.800 a good drunk. She's not like maybe I am not 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.720 the world's best drunk, but Hidie is like fun and laughing. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.920 She's not mean, there's no like it really seemed like 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.480 she was having a good time. And then everyone like saying, 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.559 you know, Brodie's like all of a sudden so entitled 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.480 and saying these things. I'm like, dude, with the bob 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.440 haircut and all the things, I didn't take a couple 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:10.240 of seats. Yeah, listen, I mean everybody is ready to 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.559 like criticize everybody when they're just as guilty, you know 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.760 what I mean. So, um yeah, I find it kind 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.520 of silly too. And did you how awkward was the 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.760 amber situation. She didn't speak much, like I didn't really 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.920 get to know her on any level. Um, I actually 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.640 like feel for her. It sucks to be one of 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.160 a million girls that somebody is hanging out, you know 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.080 what I mean, Like that's not cute. I mean in 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.280 the first scene, he was like saying, like they were 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.360 naked in a bath together. I mean, you're just my 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:46.760 friend on television. I was like mortified for her. So yeah, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.560 I know you can tell that she like, you know, 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.520 wants to please him or whatever. But also what he's 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.600 not taking into consideration into the relationship is she has 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.920 also put in a pressure cooker right now on a show, 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.920 having to be all the thing, you know, like all 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.120 of that. Of course she's gonna want to have a 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.520 couple of drinks. She's twenty four years old and filled 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.240 with strangers that are all judging her. Not to mention 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.680 one of the strangers is her boyfriend or whatever it 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:19.160 is ex wife, Yeah, yeah, ish well no, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.440 that's really nerve racking. I mean, listen, I drank too 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.319 much basically every night because that is scary with all 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.760 those cameras around and all of that and being new 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.000 to it and just being thrown into it, and nobody 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.040 helped her, just like nobody helped me. It's very scary. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.440 So I feel for her for sure. And then what 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.120 do you did Caitlin like confide in you at all 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.240 about how she was feeling? Like do you think Bernie 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.360 should have told her that he was bringing a girl. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.040 Let's be real, there's there's cameras around, there's a friend 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.959 trip like that was a little like I I felt 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.600 for Caitlin in that moment, but like I always have 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.520 her back, So I definitely felt like it was it 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.000 could have been he could have told, like given her 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.400 a heads up just so she wasn't blindsighted, you know. Yeah, 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.319 And I mean I was slicing around a little bit 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:10.120 because well, that's my job, the same podcasts. But I 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.200 saw that people were saying, well, how could she be 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.040 upset when she had such a public relationship with Miley 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:19.360 Cyrus afterwards, and like she had her own relationship after 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.120 they were broken up, like everybody does. We all move 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.000 on people, we all date other people, you know what 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.560 I mean. Her has happened to be like public or whatever. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.920 So people are how many people did he move on 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.320 with right after? Come on, they just weren't, um, you know, 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.360 super famous, so it didn't get like mega pressed. But um, 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.880 I feel like everybody's allowed to move on, and you 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.320 know if they're such good friends, like she would have 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.120 told him if she was bringing a guy on a 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:49.240 friend trip. You know, do you think that men and 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.800 women that are were once together can truly be such 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.360 good friends? I do, because I'm doing that right now, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.040 um with I mean I've managed to stay friends with 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:03.280 pretty much everyone I dated, So yeah, the I am 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.160 not like for me, I think that men and women, 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.680 if you were in a relationship that we didn't date 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.640 back to like years and years ago, Like I think 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.040 it's one thing like co parenting or something like that 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.320 that's different and having like a cordial relationship. But I 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.280 think that it's extremely hard for at least one of 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.600 the people. Nah. Nah, And you know what, you know 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.840 what it is, it's your maybe your husband won't allow 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.960 you to be super chummy with that person. It depends 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.400 on if the person you're dating is going to be 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.360 cool with it. Um, you know what I mean, Like, 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.680 that's when it gets that's when it gets hard, because no, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.120 I mean I think, like listen, like my first boyfriend 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.560 who like totally broke my heart. I loved him, I 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.200 was so obsessed with him. Now I'm like so close 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.640 with him. His ex wife, my ex husband's girlfriend of 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:56.520 eight years, and I am our children. We all play 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.480 together like all the time and hang out. So I 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.800 have to say, you are, I mean, that's impressive because 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.320 for you know, I was married before too, and my 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:09.120 husband we we hung out you know altogether my my 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.440 edwin and my ex husband and then it got to 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.560 a time where like he got into a new relationship 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.800 and then all of a sudden we all realize, like, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.280 you know, what it's best for I mean, we didn't 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.440 have kids involved, so it's different, but it's best for 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.800 all parties involved. Like if we're hanging on, what are 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.600 we really hanging on too? Because in order to fully 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.840 move on, sometimes you've got to go on. That's to me, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.600 that's a little like I don't want to use the 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.040 word immature, but I guess it's more like, you know, 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.400 hanging on because you still have feelings. There's always like 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.800 a friendship there, I believe, like I but I think 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.280 out of respect in what way, like like out of 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.920 respect like if you were to get married again, right, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.560 yea out of respect for each other. I'm just like 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.640 the like, but yes, you should have a friendship in 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.720 the point that, like you guys, can you know, be 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.200 at the same birthday party do those types of things together. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.000 But if you're when things go wrong in your life 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.080 or things are really great, if you're one of your 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.720 top calls is to your ex versus to your current 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.880 well that's a problem. Well, nobody said that. That's very 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.000 different to actually like call somebody over your person that 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.600 is that's or even along with the person, like sharing 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.600 those moments with somebody that is in your past. I 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.800 think it could be. I can get messy. It depends 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.360 on how mature you are about it and how much 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:32.240 you trust your partner. Right, yeah, So did you ever 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.720 hang out with Miley and Caitlin? No, Nope, that was 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.360 Caitlin and my friendship came after that. Yeah, okay, perfect. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.600 And who other than Caitlin on the show. Do you 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.520 feel the most connected with Adrina? For sure? You know 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.600 and I've known each other forever and we did really 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.000 Can't Be Poor film together a million years ago called 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.800 Sorority Row. I'm sure I need to watch. It's really 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.200 actually quite good. It's fun, you know, it's it's not 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.000 you know, gonna win anybody in cat Award, but it 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.680 went to theaters and it was well, it was well done. 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.119 Um and actually yeah, like rumor Willis was on that 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.880 with that was in that with us and our from 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.440 is this before she ever did the Hills the first time? 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.440 You know, it was like go see Adrina from the 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:21.159 Hills getting murdered, you know what I mean? You know, 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.960 it was funny because like Paris Hilton, another friend of mine, 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.320 had a similar thing where it was like see Paris die, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.119 like when she was in that movie. That was like 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.600 a moment where like they wanted these kind of pop 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.520 culture you know, hot girls to get murdered in movies. 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.320 So it was kind of funny. Um, so what do 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.560 you think is harder? Because I know back in the day, 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.280 like the phrase isn't really used anymore, but you were 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.280 like the social light girl around town. What do you 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.600 think is harder being on a reality show or having 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:54.280 to maintain being the girl That was fun and easy 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.960 and we were just wild and having a blast and 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:01.120 that was like that came naturally. I think being on 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.600 the Hills is much more difficult for sure. Um It's 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.520 just I can I I'd rather maybe I should jump 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.720 over to the Housewives. What do you think? I really? 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.119 I Like, I called Alex one day and I was like, 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.040 you got any spots for me? I just don't know 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:20.280 what on the hills right now because everybody hates me 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:24.600 and it's you know, very scary. Well, I can. I 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:29.080 can say my first season I felt really afraid to. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:33.760 Like I got really emotional at times because I felt like, 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.520 what is happening? Like it doesn't feel natural to me, 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.640 Like I had to force myself to stay present, yeah, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:43.760 because like my mind would race and I be like okay, 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:45.719 And then there's that pressure of like, Okay, you have 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.840 to talk. You have to you know, you have to 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.840 put yourself in the conversation or else you know, you're 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:53.600 not in it. You're not in it and you're non 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.639 void and you're fighting in the extingent. But how about 0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:00.800 having people literally speak to you so that you cannot 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.880 be in it? What about if you just said hey, 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.600 like on camera, just like in front of everybody, like hey, guys, 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.600 I'm here trying to be friends with y'all, trying to, 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.200 you know, take this to the next level. We can 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:15.960 all grow and learn from each other. Like why can't 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.719 we just have a little bit of respect for each 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.840 other and have a little fun. Well, there's like a 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.160 control aspect that some of these characters have where they're 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.280 like basically like if you're not if you don't fall 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.160 in line with what we want, we're going to ruin you. 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.040 That is literally that I deal with. I won't name you. 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.040 I'm not naming names. Fine, give me one letter. I'm 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:41.560 not doing it because I've literally, um, I've been warned 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:46.440 of this wrath and I'm just like, I have balls 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.800 and I'm not scared of them. I'm more like, I'm 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:55.280 more like, maybe it will come out on its own. 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.920 So maybe I'll be the bigger person for for not 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.480 naming at that point, you know what I mean. But 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.640 I really do feel like I was treated really poorly. Um, 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.680 I feel and I was, you know, talking to producers 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.400 and I was upset about it. I was like, these 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.720 people won't engage with me, they won't talk to me. 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:15.840 You know, we had a beef one night and now 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.160 it's Nolan Boyd because the rest of the season, they're 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.000 just cutting me out of it. The amount of control 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.639 that they give some of these characters on the show, um, 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.000 is unfair to the other people on the show that 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:33.640 want to make it a real show. Yeah, breaking breaking 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.600