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Speaker 1: How does a long time champion of missing people, a

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Speaker 1: that happen? I'm talking about our friend, longtime colleague. You

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Speaker 1: know him well, Tim Miller, the founder of Texas Equisearch

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Remember Tim Miller's daughter goes missing.

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Speaker 1: Her remains found in something called a Texas killing field.

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Speaker 1: He's devoted his life to finding missing people. Then he

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Speaker 1: now somehow it's alluded that he is a murder suspect.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot to take in, right, I mean, see Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Serious x M one eleven.

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Speaker 1: Let's just try and start at the beginning the so

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Speaker 1: called Texas killing fields. Take a listen to Skip Hollingsworth.

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Speaker 1: Through the years, in this strange corridor between Houston and Galveston,

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Speaker 1: If you come out of Houston going south on the

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Speaker 1: as they come. This story begins in the early seventies

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Speaker 1: when girls begin to disappear around Galveston. Year after year,

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine your daughter goes missing? Years pass and

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Speaker 1: over and over again. With me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, judge and trial lawyer, court TV anchor at

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott dot com, renowned psychoanalysts, joining me out of

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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall

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Speaker 1: dot com. Thirty six years Seattle PD twenty two of

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Speaker 1: That Homicide. Author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant,

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Speaker 1: State University and author A Blood Beneath My Feet on

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Speaker 1: Amazon Joseph Scott Morgan very special guest and longtime friend

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Speaker 1: and colleague Tim Miller, the founder of Texas Equisearch. He

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Speaker 1: but right now, to Robert Arnold, KPRC two news reporter, Robert,

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, Nancy. They did not even have

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Speaker 1: Janet Doe has been identified as Donna Prudome. League City

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Speaker 1: Officers discovered their bodies in nineteen eighty six. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: me guess, I bet you passed. Well, you know, the

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Speaker 1: polygrapher said you passed. He went and talked to Tisdale,

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Speaker 1: the lead investigator and everything, and he told them how

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Speaker 1: they score him a plus four. You passed the Brits too,

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Speaker 1: You fail he said, the highest passing score he's ever

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Speaker 1: got was a plus eight. He looked at Tuesday and

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Speaker 1: he said, Tim Miller just said a plus twelve. I

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Speaker 1: had the highest passing a score in the history of

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Speaker 1: this poligrapher that's been doing up for twenty three years.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking to

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Speaker 1: Tim Miller, crime victim. His daughter Laura was murdered. He

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Speaker 1: begged police to search a certain stretch it's now known

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Speaker 1: as the Texas Killing Fields, whose daughter's remains were ultimately

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Speaker 1: found there, along with remains of many other young women.

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Speaker 1: Now we learn that Laura's remains have been mixed up.

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Speaker 1: He had to have her exhumed. Part of her body's missing.

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Speaker 1: Then turns out somebody else's ribs are in her. He's

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Speaker 1: buried his daughter. Now I think three times he had

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Speaker 1: to carry her skull to the dentist to see is

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Speaker 1: this really my daughter? Just hold that thought for a moment.

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Speaker 1: And then to top it off, Tim Miller gets here's

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Speaker 1: someone within the police department, says he the MF Tim

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Speaker 1: Miller murdered his daughter, and they police ask him to

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Speaker 1: take a polygraph. Now, I don't know about you Kloyd Steiger,

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Speaker 1: thirty six years, Seattle PD, twenty two in homicide. Author

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Speaker 1: at Cloyd Steiger dot com. But when cops ask you

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Speaker 1: to take a polygraph, you're a suspect. I don't care

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Speaker 1: what they want to call it, but you're a suspect

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Speaker 1: when you are asked to go in and take a polygraph,

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Speaker 1: agree or disagree? Yeah, I agree most of the time.

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Speaker 1: But you know, this is the whole thing is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: The problem is enjoy Scotland right on. This department is

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Speaker 1: not equipped to handle a case like this, and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, but they have to know to

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Speaker 1: ask for help and ask for people that do know

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Speaker 1: how to do this. Well. I don't know about Chloyd,

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Speaker 1: but there's h E L L lot wrong. We're going

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Speaker 1: to the victim's father this way and they know too,

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Speaker 1: asking him to take a polygraph. Yes, jump in. This

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Speaker 1: is not incompetency or being overwhelmed as a police department.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the law in this area, but

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Speaker 1: I know human psychology. This is pointing a finger at

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Speaker 1: Tim Miller because he's holding them responsible. This is shooting

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Speaker 1: the victim, shooting the messenger. This is Tim Miller never

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Speaker 1: resting because there are numerous bodies in this field, the

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Speaker 1: killing fields, they have not been identified, the bones has

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Speaker 1: been messed up, there's been gross incompetency. And Tim Miller

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Speaker 1: is shining a light on this. That is all he

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Speaker 1: is doing. That's what this entire discussion is about. He

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Speaker 1: is providing sunshine and they are resenting it. And the easiest,

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Speaker 1: most low level thing a person can do is to

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Speaker 1: accuse the person that's shining a spotlight on them. And

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00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: that's what this is about. He wants the truth. They

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Speaker 1: want to malign him. It's that simple, you know, Ashley

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Speaker 1: Wilcott with me judge and trial lawyer, anchor Court TV

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Speaker 1: at Ashley Wilcott dot com. I don't care what they

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Speaker 1: are saying. I don't care what they told. Robert Arnold.

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Speaker 1: Not accusing you, Robert Arnold, You're just the messenger kp

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Speaker 1: orc that Tim is not a suspect. But when you

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Speaker 1: the police call you on the phone and say we

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Speaker 1: need you to go take a polygraph, I call that

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Speaker 1: a suspect. Absolutely a suspect, no doubt in my mind.

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Speaker 1: You do not request that if there's not some reason

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Speaker 1: that you want to further your belief that they are

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Speaker 1: a suspect. They are, in my mind, accusing Tim of

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Speaker 1: having committed some of these murders. In one way to

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Speaker 1: do it at say, I want to polygraph, and as

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Speaker 1: soon as they can allege you didn't pass a polygraph,

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Speaker 1: then in their minds, I believe they're finding someone and

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Speaker 1: they're going to make the evidence match that person, versus

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Speaker 1: doing what they should do and follow the evidence to

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Speaker 1: identify the purpose. So Robert arnoldsie ye if yeah, listen,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you going back. Yeah, I'm mad at you,

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, because you work with the medical examiners, and

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Speaker 1: the medical examiner's got all of the remains exactly. Now

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Speaker 1: you have nothing to do with it. But perhaps I

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Speaker 1: can assure you. I have not worked in Texas. But

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Speaker 1: let me tell you how it normally works. When you

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Speaker 1: have skeletal remains. The skeletal remains are treated very delicately

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Speaker 1: because they're fragile by their nature. That means they've been

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Speaker 1: you know, out and they've been decomposed, they've been exposed

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Speaker 1: to the elements, and so by virtue of that, just

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00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: from a scientific standpoint, you have to keep very close

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Speaker 1: watch over these and they are a sign what are

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Speaker 1: referred to as a session numbers. That means it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like a case number, and that a session number

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Speaker 1: literally represents a human individual, human life. Just grab onto that,

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Speaker 1: just for a second. Now, out out at cases, lots

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Speaker 1: of times you get multiple skeletal remains. We call it

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Speaker 1: co mingling, where you have a couple of bodies that

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Speaker 1: are together. But how do you co mingle remains at

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Speaker 1: a medical examiner's office? And now you're shipping them off?

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Speaker 1: You know that this has only been mentioned very briefly,

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Speaker 1: but how are you shipping them off all the way

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Speaker 1: from Galveston to the north part of Dallas, which is

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Speaker 1: where the University of North Texas is where the anthropology

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Speaker 1: lab is, and you're getting these remains mixed up? And

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Speaker 1: lots of times these remains are not transported by the

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Speaker 1: medical examiner. They're literally mailed sometimes now and so, how

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Speaker 1: how are these remains getting so? How are they so

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Speaker 1: unaccounted for? How can you be so how can you

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Speaker 1: hold human life in such disregard? Because you know, to

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Speaker 1: the medical examiner, it's going to be another case. But

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Speaker 1: to somebody like Tim, this is his precious baby, This

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Speaker 1: is his daughter. Okay, and so it's a real slap

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Speaker 1: in the face. And there, you know, now you're talking

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Speaker 1: about the cops that are accusing him or at least

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Speaker 1: saying he's potentially a suspect. And to me, it just

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00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of goes to this this kind of theme that's

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Speaker 1: running through this whole thing, and it's it can be

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Speaker 1: kind of summed up in this term gross incompetence. You know,

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Speaker 1: don't look at us and what we've done to screw

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Speaker 1: this man's life up. And all these other families, you know,

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00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: don't don't don't look at that. Let's look at him.

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Speaker 1: And so that's a real insult. And it's a real

541
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Speaker 1: slap in the face. Yeah, when you said these other families,

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00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: the reality is Robert Arnold kp RC two investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: Tim Miller finds out another young ladies bones are mixed

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Speaker 1: in with his daughters. He's not the only victim. There's

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Speaker 1: the other family and the lord only knows who else.

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Speaker 1: But right now, Tim Miller, founder of Texas Sequasearch, longtime

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Speaker 1: friend and colleague of ours, sues Galliston County over his

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Speaker 1: daughter's remains. Robert Arnold explained the lawsuit to me essentially

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Speaker 1: they mishandled her remains then, and it's also a violation

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Speaker 1: of the settlement from the first time he sued the

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Speaker 1: county over the handling of her remains. He was told

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Speaker 1: that his daughter was returned intact the second time around,

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Speaker 1: and he comes to find out now that that is

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Speaker 1: potentially not accurate, that there are more remains that were

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Speaker 1: found in the office that have yet to be tested.

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Speaker 1: Found in the office. Wait, yes, what do you mean

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Speaker 1: found in the office? Her bones box marked marked mark. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not bones, it's remains. The way he was explained

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Speaker 1: to me, in a zip block back in a box

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Speaker 1: that had Laura's case number on it was found in

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Speaker 1: the medical examiner's office. And that's what triggered all of this.

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Speaker 1: And Nancy, can I put in yes? Please them? All right?

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Speaker 1: So anyhow, I'll never forget get that call out of

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Speaker 1: money motiing from the FBI. Ask if I come down

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Speaker 1: there on the Wednesday. So I go the FBI office

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Speaker 1: and Jack Cood, the DA Kevin Petrops assistant das Er

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Speaker 1: And this was in October, and they said, we don't

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Speaker 1: know how to tell you. I just tell you some

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Speaker 1: remains are found. They were sent off their horrors, and

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Speaker 1: I remember saying, you know what, in the perfect world,

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Speaker 1: a child buries their parents. Unfortunately, once a while we

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Speaker 1: have to bury our child. Is it fair that we

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Speaker 1: have to bury the same child three times because of

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Speaker 1: y'all's mistake? Then I called doctor gil King. Let me

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Speaker 1: go back to Leak say please defer it again one

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Speaker 1: more time. So I called doctor gil King. I said,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Gilking, what do we need to do now? Doctor

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00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: kil King says Tim, we work on science, not speculation.

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Speaker 1: He said, I'm sure there Laura's remains. He said that.

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Speaker 1: I called Lake City Police Department and told them again,

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Speaker 1: we work on science and I need DNA to compare

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Speaker 1: them to before I positively sign off. Leake City Police

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Speaker 1: Department told doctor gil King's office at University of North

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Speaker 1: Texas well, we asked mister Miller to submit his DNA

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Speaker 1: and he refused. So it was another line. Now, what

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Speaker 1: parent would refuse to submit their DNA to get their

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Speaker 1: child's remains positively identified? I knew nothing about them remains,

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Speaker 1: And again Leake City Police Department said, they asked for

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Speaker 1: my DNA and I refused, And there's no truth in it.

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00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: We could have had this time, Laura's remains buried again.

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Speaker 1: So I asked doctor gil King. I said, well, I'll

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Speaker 1: submit my DNA now, doctor gil King, he said, well

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Speaker 1: today ago I sent them back to Ghost County Medical

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Speaker 1: at Sailor's office. So Laura, those remains were still there.

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Speaker 1: Now that we file the suit. Now I got to

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Speaker 1: submit my DNA. Now we have to find a private

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Speaker 1: labup to go ahead and send my DNA or these

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Speaker 1: remains off to which before there wouldn't have been no expense.

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Speaker 1: Now to Miller has to come up with the money

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Speaker 1: to get the private layup to compare my DNA to

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Speaker 1: these other DNA up to these other remains that we

602
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Speaker 1: know our lawyers, but we can't sign off until they

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Speaker 1: positively match the DNA. No, there's another lie by dam

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Speaker 1: Leak City Police Department. Nancy, could I make a comment

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Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, there seems to be this powerful social

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Speaker 1: psychology group psychology going on in the police department. The

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Speaker 1: true story is that Laura Miller was dropped off at

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Speaker 1: a phone booth to talk to her boyfriend. She ended

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Speaker 1: up in the killing fields. Tim Miller has devoted his

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Speaker 1: entire life to seeking the truth, not only for her,

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Speaker 1: but for other victims, this is the truth. The bones

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Speaker 1: were mingled, This is the truth co mingled the police department.

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Speaker 1: There's some powerful, disturbed personality in that police department that's

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Speaker 1: creating what we call an alter reality, a reality that's

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Speaker 1: not the true reality, a story. We can call it

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Speaker 1: a lie, we can call it a false narrative, whatever

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Speaker 1: language we want to use. There's a powerful false narrative

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Speaker 1: that's taking place that Tim Miller is a murderous suspect,

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Speaker 1: that he could, after all these years devoted to helping

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Speaker 1: families whose loved ones have gone missing, now he's the

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Speaker 1: murderous one. And hopefully this story that we're telling today,

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Speaker 1: covering the story is to put the correct narrative out there,

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Speaker 1: which is that he's had to bury his daughter times.

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00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: That is the correct story and the false whoever is

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Speaker 1: putting this false narrative out if it's one powerful person

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Speaker 1: in this police department, and then other people are following suit,

627
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: hopefully they're listening to this show into this story, and

628
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: that they will correct this false narrative at some point.

629
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Speaker 1: But group psychology is so powerful. Once a false narrative

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Speaker 1: gets going, it develops a life and energy of its

631
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Speaker 1: own and it just it has to stop. It has

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Speaker 1: to stop here. It has to stop. Guys, I understand

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Speaker 1: what police go through. I've been in the system since

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Speaker 1: my fiance was martyred, side by side, shoulder to shoulder

635
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Speaker 1: with police. But if I have to go up against

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Speaker 1: the police, I will Who would heap this abuse onto

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Speaker 1: a grieving father? If you have any information, please call

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Speaker 1: Tim Miller. As always our friend, our colleague. Our prayers

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Speaker 1: are with you and your family. But somehow you will

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Speaker 1: find peace if we even know what that is anymore.

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Speaker 1: And we are here beside you, supporting you and believing you,

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Speaker 1: regardless of what the police are saying. We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unvolds, and we pray that it does. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,