1 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: What's the age limit for emojis? I find it jarring 2 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: when people in their sixties sent emojis like one random 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: emotion like the girl twirling and dancing, or like Yeppie 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: like leaping or said no you are not. I feel 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: like there's gotta be an age limit. I don't do 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: all that stuff, Like there's like a Flamenco dancer woman twirling, 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: like you're going going out and having let's go out 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: for dinner night. It's gonna be great Flamenco. No, no, no, 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: I feel like that stopped. Is that like fifty two? 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: A heart faced emoji? Like a heart faced emoji? I mean, 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: the gotta be in your early fifties. That's that's the 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: cut off date for that too. Like laws, like laws 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: become like nothing to do with laugh I'm literal, I'm 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: I am I laughing out loud because you be in 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: the other room and need to hear me laws ng 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: and what laws? What's laws? Out laughing out loud? Zuh. 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand that. But I just think that people 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: of a certain age different. If you're a grandparent and 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: you're sending one of those little a gift or a meme, 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: a gift is like a video and a meme is 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: like just it says something and it's not moving. I 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: think the moving is better. But I a grandma or 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: like a grandma could send like the big Bear with 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: the big heart coming out because I love you, Like 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: that's grama is. But grandmas shouldn't be over emojing. In 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: my opinion, a prayer hands for a senior citizen is fine. 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: I just I feel like there should be a limit, 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: don't you think? Don't you think? Like certain emojis are 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: age appropriate and inappropriate, So sending emojis through at work 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: is fairly inappropriate, Like it's certain levels, but once in 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: a while it's not. It should be used sparingly. If 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: it's once in a while, it's nice, like it's a 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: nice little funny thing when it comes through people's weirdo 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: what's it called the like a bit? What's the big 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: like exaggerated person character of yourself emoji that you sent 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: through and someone calls you and you're like, are you 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: a fucking clown? Calling me? Like it's always this weird 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: like howdy dooty picture of like Peppi Longstocking coming through, 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: and you're like, it's very strange. I feel like it's 40 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: it's very, very very strange. And then the big thumb, 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: the big yellow thumb. Yeah, just hey, I'll see you 42 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: at too, the big giant yellow Okay, it's too you're 43 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: yelling things. They're just basic, like it's not like, oh 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: my god, I just licked to a telephone polls in 45 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: New York City and I don't have COVID, And then 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: I want the fucking thumbs up. Then I wanted Then 47 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: I want to thing an exclamation point for like, you know, 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: h two owes water. I don't need your deepest feelings 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: of positivity. It's not for us. We like to celebrate 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: with this cause for celebration. We're not interested in an 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: all day emoji lifestyle. That's not how we work here. 52 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: I saw what you said. I knowledge you. We see 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: each other. Back to Nanny Leaks the prophet, we see 54 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: each other. I'll do on a hundred and I'll do 55 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: a stop sign. That's it. So what do you think 56 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: about emojis as a form of communication for intelligent adults? 57 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: My guest today is Dorothy Hamill. She is an Olympic 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: gold medalist and women's champion figure skater. She is one 59 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: of America's most popular athletes, changing the image of a sport, 60 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: making a hairstyle popular long before Jennifer Aniston. She has 61 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: an icon on and off the ice. She has a 62 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: move named after her, the Hammel Camel. She's performed on Broadway. 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: She has performed in the Ice Capades and owned the 64 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: Ice Capades, and competed all over the world. She is 65 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: a game changer. I can't wait for you to hear 66 00:03:53,240 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: more about her life. Enjoy. Where do you live? Where 67 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 1: are you now? Right now? I'm in the Indian Wells, California, 68 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: near Palm Springs. And then we are we live in 69 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: Colorado most of the year, but we're here uh in 70 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: the wintertime because my husband is an avid golfer. So 71 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: I like the skiing in Colorado. But anyway, and you 72 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: I like the snowboarding too. Do you find that as 73 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: you get older you have a little bit more fear 74 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: and trepidation, hesitation or no, because you're a professional athlete. Well, 75 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: I used to be right, But I love I think 76 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: skiing is very close, not close to skating, because I 77 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: love the cold air, I love the wind. I like 78 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: you know, the you know the motion of it. So 79 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 1: I'm not really afraid of it. Um, but I also 80 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: know when I'm out of control to stop um. But skating, 81 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: you know, I can't do there. There. I have the 82 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: trepidation and the fear, but I fear of other things, 83 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: you know. But skiing is as close to skating that 84 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: I can do and not great. So you don't skate 85 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: at all. You can't skate now. It's just your body 86 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: is not made for it anymore. It's not made for it. 87 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: I had back surgery. I've been struggling with back problems 88 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: for years, and for two years I couldn't get off 89 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: the floor. I was in such paying with nerve uh 90 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, nerve pain. And there's no rink here, so 91 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: they're building one, so maybe I'll be able to just 92 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: tool around on the ice and my jumping days. And 93 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: it's hard to it's really hard to admit that you 94 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: can't do it anymore. And I'm slowly realizing that that's 95 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: what I was sort of talking about. I've been snowboarding 96 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: for probably twenty five years, and I'm no Dorothy Hamile, 97 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: but I'm fairly good at it. But now that you 98 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: get older and I have a daughter, and that's where 99 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: the fear comes in a little bit of Wow, this 100 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: isn't feeling the same way, and I don't you know, 101 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't take the chances I used to anymore. And 102 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting. It must be interesting for you to go 103 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: back to something that you are an expert at and 104 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: have to have a different relationship with it. Yes, and 105 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: I haven't quite done that. But now that my back 106 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: is better, Um, you know, I hopefully like to get 107 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: back out there. But you know, snowboarding isn't anywhere. It's 108 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: much more dangerous than ice skating. But actually, at this point, 109 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: I skating is probably more dangerous for me now because 110 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: I can't do it. Yeah, do you do you feel that, um, 111 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: you pushed yourself too hard or what was necessary for 112 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: the sport was pushing too hard? Or you never let 113 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: your body rest, or like what is the sort of 114 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: message about being so focused and dedicated to a certain 115 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: sport and how I've spoken to so many different people 116 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: from Maria Charapova and Lindsay Vaughan and about later in 117 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: body pain and like the after the effects later, So 118 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: what what's the message about that? Well? The message it's 119 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: it's a good question because when we're not back in 120 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: the old days. You know, we didn't know anything about 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: training in sports medicine and we just didn't have access 122 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: to that. You know, this is seventies and so a 123 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: lot of falling, and nowadays they don't have they have 124 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: harnesses and things, but they do much more difficult things. 125 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: So I guess the message is, um, you know, when 126 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: you're young, nothing hurts. You know, we body slam and 127 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: body slam and body slam and you know you're just 128 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: you don't feel it. And then when you get to 129 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: be older, all these other things creep in, and UM, 130 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: I just I guess the messages take advantage of, you know, 131 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: the knowledge of everything. We didn't have any of that. 132 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: And also, I mean I loved skating. I didn't ever 133 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: want to be any place else. That was my therapy. Um. 134 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: I love music, and you know now what they do 135 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: is so different, so different. Um I could I when 136 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: I watched the Nationals last weekend and I'm just amazed 137 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: at what these youngsters do. So um, you know, I 138 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: think taking advantage of whatever it is, and you know 139 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't have known what else to do 140 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: with my life if I didn't have skating. That's so nice. 141 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: You're lucky in that way. I think, um, what, yeah, 142 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: very very how crazy that a hair cut, that your 143 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: hair cut was the Jennifer Aniston of of that generation 144 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: and you still do you wear this haircut because this 145 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: is the best haircut that's ever looked good on you, 146 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: or because it is the Dorothy hammelet and your Dorothy hammelet, 147 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: or you know what what it's a little different. But 148 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I've grown my hair out a couple of times, and 149 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: it is not pretty. My mom was right. I am 150 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: not a long haired person. Even if I you know, 151 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: put it in a ponytail, I just it didn't suit me. 152 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: So I just like it easily easy, and it's not 153 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: quite the same look how gray it is. Anyway, it's 154 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: pretty healthy. It looks pretty good to me, And it's 155 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: just crazy that that was was that to have out 156 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: of annoyed You like to be known for a haircut 157 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: when you're in a you know, an Olympic star. Not really, 158 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: because I struggled with getting somebody who could really cut 159 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: short hair, because my hair is not easy to cut, 160 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, this way in that way, but at least 161 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: it's straight. Um, And so I struggled with trying to 162 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: find a good haircut. And the week I was going 163 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: off to the Olympics, I tried to get an appointment 164 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: with this this very well known at the time hair 165 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: hairstylist in the fashion world. And my father said, you know, 166 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Dorothy's coming in and she loved it. If Suga what 167 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: was his was his name, and if you could cut 168 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: her hair. So he stayed and he cut my hair, 169 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: and you know, he asked me what the function would 170 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: be and I said, well, you know, when I turned forward, 171 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: I don't, you know, to want it to be in 172 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: my eyes and anyway, so he cut it interested. I 173 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. I had pretty much 174 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: short hair in my whole life, you know, the old 175 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: pixie cut things. So I've just I've kept it short. 176 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: But it's interesting that you had said the functionality of 177 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: how you wanted the hairstyle to go to function for 178 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: the sport, which is so so interesting, and that that 179 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: exactly happened for different reasons, people were watching you and 180 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the hair was going that's that, I know. That's an 181 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: That's a very interesting story. The craziest stuff that goes on. 182 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: What about the business of skating? What you were a 183 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: young child that just got hooked, kept going, loved it 184 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: so much, and you were making seven figures long before 185 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: anybody was making seven figures. I mean you gotta paid. 186 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: You get paid a million dollar deal for an endorsement 187 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: or something early on. I mean that's a long time ago. Yeah, 188 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't quite that. I think over the years, three 189 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: or four years, it was okay. Yeah. So I wanted 190 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: to know if you felt that it was a business, 191 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: or if you just thought you were doing you liked 192 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: and then felt that it was corrupt around you or 193 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: people had different or did you have an instinct about 194 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: it that it is a business and there's a way 195 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: to turn this into something. So what was your relationship 196 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: to it growing up in it and then learning how 197 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: to monetize it? Did you not? Did you miss many 198 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: opportunities or did you grab them all? I didn't grab 199 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: them all. You know. When I we had to turn 200 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: professional because we were amateurs, and I always I didn't 201 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: love competitions and we only have a few competitions a year. Um, 202 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: so I loved skating exhibitions. So when I was able 203 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: to turn pro and make money, um, I was so 204 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: thrilled because I got to, you know, tour in ice 205 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: capades and I toured and I loved it, but I 206 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: didn't really think of it as a business. And it 207 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: wasn't until later on, you know, when there were not 208 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: as many shows to skate in that you know, branching 209 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: out into skating shows in theaters. Um, so I never 210 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: looked at it as a business. I didn't wasn't smart 211 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: the way you are. I just you know, I was 212 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: a shy kid, and I like to twirl, and I 213 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: like music and twirling, and you know I could be 214 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: by myself. I was very shy and so um you know, 215 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: I was you know, I didn't do the best. I 216 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: didn't make the best decisions and you know, getting into 217 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: managers that sort of. I don't want to say take 218 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: advantage because I was the one who was skating, but 219 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: you know I didn't. I wasn't smart. I didn't really 220 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: have people to you know, advise me well. But but 221 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: you know I made some money, but I also it 222 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: was pretty dumb and not really knowing how to you know, 223 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: hang on to it. You know, I was single, no family, 224 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: so it was you know, traveling on the road, living 225 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: out of a suitcase all the time. Um, you know, 226 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: you sort of you know I was. I loved jewelry, 227 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: so I buy jewelry because you didn't have to pack 228 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: in the suitcase. So those kinds of things. But you know, 229 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: eventually when I learned that it wasn't, you know, the 230 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: smartest way to take care of myself at an older age. 231 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: You know, I did learn later in life, but I 232 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: wasn't smart the way you are. And you're such an 233 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: amazing businesswoman as well as talent. Now it's I've admired 234 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: you for all of that, so yeah, I appreciate that. 235 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: It's not Listen, I've made so many mistakes. I've made 236 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: multiple million dollar mistakes, and it's uh, at least for you, 237 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: it's better to make them when you were younger, I 238 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: say to people in the beginning of business, because as 239 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: the stakes get higher, it gets worse later. So you 240 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: got older, you were married, and you had some financial difficulties, 241 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: right you, you had like I did. And what was 242 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: the biggest mistake that you made? I mean, you just 243 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: touched on a bit, not knowing who to trust, etcetera. 244 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: But was it just spending or was it not looking 245 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: at the whole board, like what we're not saving? What 246 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: was it effectively? Well, when I got into the problem. Uh, 247 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: we ex husband, um and I were We owned ice 248 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: Capades for a while, and there was a lot of 249 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: things that was you know, the timing people weren't interested 250 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: in seeing ice Capades anymore, and you know, we tried 251 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: to reinvent the show, and so that was a problem 252 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: because our financial partner, you know, I was just you 253 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: know trying to you know, hire set designers and lighting 254 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: designers and the you know, the trucking and all that stuff, 255 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: which I really had no business, you know, trying to 256 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: put my two cents in, and it was just way 257 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: bigger than I could imagine. And our financial partner got 258 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: into problems. So the people were coming after me to 259 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: pay those bills, you know, and I was yes, and 260 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: I did. I um, you know, I started paying all 261 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: the hotels for the skaters and everything, and I you know, personally, 262 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have that kind of money. And so when 263 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: our financial partners said, you know, I need somebody to 264 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: buy Bias out, we were sort of stuck with having 265 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: to do that. And I didn't want to ditch my skaters, 266 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, my my past and my my crew and 267 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: my same mind. But you know, we were all a 268 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: family and they were such amazing people. So you know, 269 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: I tried to bail out the company as long as 270 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: I could, until you know, somebody was able to purchase it. 271 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: And it was so sad and so emotional because you know, 272 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: I loved the skating, I love the production part of it. 273 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: Um So that's kind of where it all went. And 274 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: then I, you know, then I got a divorce, and 275 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: that was all sort of the continuation of the problem. Yeah, 276 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: more financial despair. If it sounds like you got into 277 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: something that was a great idea, but often when people 278 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: get into business, um, well, two things happened. One, you 279 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: have to know what you're good at, I know what 280 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: you're not good at, and have other people do the 281 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: things that they're good at and accept what you aren't. 282 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: But second of all, you have to look at it 283 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: like a relationship where you have to think about what 284 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: if everything goes wrong? Like people don't want to look 285 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: at the downside of things, and it's not that romantic 286 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: and it's not that sexy. And I've made that mistake, 287 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: believe me, as big as as big as your bankruptcy situation. 288 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: I got into a very entangled, almost decade long divorce 289 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: and you just don't think in the beginning of if 290 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: the ship goes sideways, you know absolutely you're so right, 291 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean when you're performing eight shows 292 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: a week or thirteen shows a week, and you know, 293 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: like the snow machine wasn't working, so you know, all 294 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: the technical stuff I couldn't. I just couldn't do it all. 295 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: And I didn't have, you know, the right business people 296 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: behind me to pick up and do the things that 297 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: they're good at, which you're absolutely right. So you got 298 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: sucked under the what the tide sucked you under for 299 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: a minute? Um, And but you under you've got as 300 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: a byproduct of growing up in that business. And truthfully, 301 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: you know I could I'm the perfect person to to 302 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: remember this because the only names I ever remember hearing 303 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: about in in sports my entire childhood for the most part, 304 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: in females Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill and then Mary lou 305 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: Retten later and um, why am I having a blank 306 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: about the one who wore the vera whang outfits that 307 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: in the movie with and Nancy Carmen's later, But as 308 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: a kid as a child, it was Peggy Flaming and 309 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Dorothy Hamile and that was you know, and that sport 310 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: was massive then, and I may just be perceiving it 311 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: differently because we're not in an Olympic year, but it 312 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: just seemed like the biggest deal when I was a kid. 313 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I was a different target audience, but that was huge. 314 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: And I feel like you definitely were part of branding 315 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: a sport because if you're the name that jumps off 316 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: the page for my entire childhood and you're the you're 317 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: you have to be, you have to have had that 318 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: thing that brand did a sport. I mean, it's like 319 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: the way Tiger Woods branded golf for a long time. 320 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: So I feel like it's you are. Definitely, we're definitely 321 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: part of a brand machine. Whether you realize it or not. Well, well, 322 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: we didn't look at brands then, you know, and right 323 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: no one said brand. Yeah yeah, and we were you know, 324 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: we were amateurs. That skating was there's three there were 325 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: three television stations, you know, ABC, NBC, CBS. We didn't 326 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: even have video tapes, you know, where we were. Our 327 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: music was on a cassette tape. You know. It was 328 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: very uh simple. I don't know, I don't know how 329 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: these youngsters today with all the social media it's got 330 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: to be. I could never do that, you just it 331 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: would kill me. It is absolutely and emotional. I mean 332 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: I if I read one thing that's not good, it 333 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: ruins my my day or my week, and so I 334 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: would never be able to take that kind of criticism. Yeah, 335 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: it's a different it's a different landscape and different things 336 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: are important. And you described it as simple, would you 337 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: want this life or any adjacent life for your daughter? 338 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it too much pressure? Is it appropriate? 339 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: When I was doing that show Skating with the Stars, 340 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: which is different than what you were doing. There's figure skating, 341 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: and then what was I doing couple skating? I was 342 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: doing something different like the two pairs dance pair dance. 343 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: Since like, yeah, okay, so I think it's dance. It's 344 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: like a different category, right, it is a little bit, 345 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: but still skating, still skating. But there were some girls 346 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: there that said that that the process is to grow 347 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: up and it is is wretched because I had a 348 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: baby and I thought, you know, is that something that 349 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: she might want to do? And they thought, hell no, 350 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: it's horrible. They thought it is just his cutthroat is competitive, 351 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: it is brutal, and they just thought it was terrible. Yeah, 352 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: I think it was for some people in those days. 353 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: I guess it maybe still now, probably still now. But 354 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: I never encourage my daughter. You know, if she was 355 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: at the rink, she'd be skating. But it was something 356 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: I loved and I wasn't going to push that on her. 357 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: And um, at one point she said, Mom, I want 358 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: to take some skating lessons, and UM, I said okay, 359 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: and so I signed her up. This is after I 360 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: had more or less up touring, and UM, you know, 361 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: I sit on the side and by my by my fingers, 362 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: thinking this is not the way to teach her, you know. So, 363 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: but it didn't matter because I knew she wasn't going 364 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: to go anywhere. I mean, you know, it's just it 365 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: wasn't her thing. It wasn't her thing. It wasn't her thing. 366 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: And you were bosso biting your song saying please don't 367 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: let it be her thing. But if it is, I'll 368 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: have to go with it, as as every parent you know. 369 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: And then, but that was interesting to read about you 370 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: because it's such I have a friend whose daughter found 371 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: a question riding, and that seems to be something that 372 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: you really have to present them with because it's involves 373 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: horses and going somewhere in all the wardrobe. But she 374 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: said her daughter just threw friends, found it and got 375 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: the bug. So it wasn't that the mother wanted this 376 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: at all, and nor did she pressure the child. And 377 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: it sounds like you had no pressure. Wasn't even in 378 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: your family. You just loved it. You hit what's fun is? 379 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: I was that way about roller skating, and my mother 380 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: used to say, you're never going to go anywhere with 381 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: roller skating. They don't have roller skating in the Olympics, 382 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: like not being well kind of, you know, maybe, but 383 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: I spent hour and I tell you, I would go 384 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: to the roller rink at nine in the morning and 385 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: I would leave at nine thirty at night. So I 386 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: was an amazing roller skater, but to no end even 387 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: to want roller skating lessons. And you know, I used 388 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: to not understand why I wouldn't be in the Olympics. 389 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: But the point is, I was like you, No one 390 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: told me to like roller skating. I just loved it. 391 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: But so I guess the answer is you want to 392 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: lead your kids to find the things that they love, 393 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: but there's no need to force them because they all 394 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: know themselves that they love it from your perspective, absolutely, 395 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: And my parents always tried to find something that interested. 396 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: But I have a brother and a sister, and so skating. 397 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: I was the youngest, and I was not the brightest, 398 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: uh student, and and I was really shy, and you know, 399 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: I like to sing and dance, but I really couldn't. 400 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: Don't have a voice to sing, and really not a 401 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: body for a dancer. And so I skating. It was 402 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: like you my parents it was a great babysitter for 403 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: them too. They dropped me off at nine alf Corny 404 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: on the weekends and I we skated in public sessions 405 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: because the same sessions ten to twelve thirty, two to 406 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: two to three thirty three to five thirty seven to 407 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: nine thirty that's funny. So and that was just what 408 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: I love to do. And then it got week days 409 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: before school and after school, and my god, bless my mother. 410 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: She drove me, you know, into New York from Connecticut 411 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: and over to you know New Jersey, you know, places 412 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: that were at least an hour sometimes more to skate. 413 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: So but she knew that that was that was sort 414 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: of where I was comfortable. Never really dreamt that I 415 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: could actually get a job after. You know, it's amazing 416 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: turning pro Yeah, I never thought. I haven't thought about 417 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: this for years. That was my happiest time. I had 418 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff going on in my house, 419 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: but to just go, like you said, the babies, to 420 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: just get to the roller and knew people there and 421 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: you had your own little world and you some people 422 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: were better than others, and you ran your own little show. 423 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: And you know, I remember it was we were into 424 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: disco music, which I was at a school called St. Agnes. 425 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: It was a Catholic school and they were all it was. 426 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: The music was older, but they were into the doors 427 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: and rock and roll, and it was sort of like 428 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: a secret life that I had, being into disco and 429 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: this roller rink. So I left that world and just 430 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: went into this other world where I had different friends 431 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: and different and learned about music, and you know, it 432 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: was freeing. It's funny that you say that, because I 433 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: just reading about you. It just clicked right now. And 434 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: we want that for our kids, for them to just 435 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: lose themselves in something. You know, my daughter into art 436 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: and show. But that's a nice thing to have your kids. 437 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: How old is your daughter? My daughter's eleven, she's in 438 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: sixth grade. And I took um a room in my 439 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: house that looks like a boiler room. It's really just 440 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: the bowels of the house. And I saw that it 441 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: had plumbing, and I said, uh, to my team, I 442 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: want to make this into an art room for her. 443 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: And they thought, it's Scott, what do you mean. This 444 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: is not a room. This is like a plumbing room, 445 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, an electric electrical room. I said, no, we'll 446 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: get a nice lop sync. She can paint the walls, 447 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: we can put trolleys in here, and she can just 448 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: do what she wants because it's got a lot of space. 449 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: She was the other day, she was on a pottery wheel. 450 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: That was just loving the freedom of my daughter as 451 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: an artist doing pottery. It was like so freeing, it 452 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: was I was jealous, Like she has her own thing. 453 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: She spends her life in this dungeon in this house. 454 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: It's so funny. That's all the only patient wants to be. 455 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: So that's her ice skating rink. That's so great though, 456 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, and an art as an artist, you really 457 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: want your surroundings to be comfortable that I don't have 458 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: to be glamorous. So yeah, she's at home there. That's 459 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: so cool. She's a nice girl. So what about relationships? Uh, 460 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: and the start of your life and relationships with with 461 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: that sort of cocoon that you were in and this 462 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: world with this structure, in these rules and responsibility, and 463 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: then how do you include a part warner into that 464 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: when you're professional at it or so it's such a 465 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: competitive person, how do you do how do you navigate that? 466 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: And I know you've we've all made mistakes, and so 467 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: I know you've made mistakes and then had some triumph. 468 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: So what's that figure eight? Like a lot of long 469 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: distance relationships, some good, some not so good. But as 470 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: you probably know that long distance relationships, you know, don't 471 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: really work. They're not easy. And so traveling and touring 472 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: all the time it was it wasn't Yeah, it was 473 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: not ideal, but you know, I was never in one 474 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: place long enough, So you don't really learn to have 475 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: a relationship so to speak, or you know, a partnership, 476 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: and you're not working on that skill as a human being. 477 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: That's what it takes to work at a relationship and 478 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: be a partner. So then you make the mistake and 479 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: then you do it the next time better. You're not 480 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: getting that much experience because you're not doing it that 481 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: much exactly exactly, so um, you know, and as a 482 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: as a kid, I didn't have the My parents didn't 483 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: have the best relationship either, um and so it didn't 484 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: have necessarily good role models. Not that I don't love them, 485 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: and they were, you know, but their relationship just wasn't great. 486 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: And then um, and then so touring, you know, you 487 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: just I had boyfriends here and there, but you know 488 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: a lot of telephone calls at night after the show 489 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock. So it was just didn't didn't work 490 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: for me. You know, I write my first husband, I 491 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: loved him dearly, but you know it was you know, 492 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: when the when the cats were or if I was 493 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: the cat. You know, there are things probably that went 494 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: on that I didn't know about. So anyway, Um, and 495 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: then my second I was kind of on the rebound 496 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: from my first marriage, and my daughter's father was not 497 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: unlike my first husband. UM, and I think I just 498 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: wanted so much the romance and you know, a partnership 499 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: and love and and that's kind of at the end 500 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: of that, at the end of the ice capad, it's 501 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: that whole um process selling the company. So I struggled 502 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: with the divorce there and everything else that was going on, 503 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: and you know, filed personal bankruptcy because you know, I 504 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: put my own personal money into Ice Capades try to 505 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: save it. And so the divorce happened. Then I had 506 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: to go back to work because I had to pay 507 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: child support. So I moved back from the California area 508 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: to Baltimore because my coaches and choreographers were there, and 509 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: sort of started over again. You really started over, like 510 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: you had to just be pretty much figure out how 511 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: to pay your bills and and and wow, yeah, that's 512 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: that's amazing. And did you really come out on the 513 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: other side. Did you figure it out? I did. I did. 514 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: I was very lucky to have, you know, be able 515 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: to still have a job, and um, it wasn't It 516 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: was wonderful. And I got to tour with all these 517 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: amazing skaters, you know, Michelle Kwan and Brian Boitano and 518 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 1: you know, all the best of the best um at 519 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: those and even Nancy Kerrigan. So you know, I was 520 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: definitely the old lady in that tour. But it was 521 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: wonderful and it was simple, and I didn't simple. I 522 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: didn't have to you know, worry about the other skaters 523 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: and paying the bills and are the owner of that 524 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: show and the producer, Tommy Collins was just a divine 525 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: man and wherever he is right now. But yeah, so 526 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: I was lucky, you know, to be able to do 527 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: that and then to skate in some other theater productions 528 00:28:47,440 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: and skating theater productions. Who is your favorite skater to watch? 529 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: And it may not necessarily mean score wise, or it 530 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: could be the prettiest skater or both or you know, 531 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: maybe different buckets, competitive or just elegance on the ice. Gosh, Well, 532 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: the young lady, the woman that I loved growing up 533 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: was a Janet Lynn and she was just so incredible. 534 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: She was powerful and she just floated over the ice, 535 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: but she was strong and um so I really admired her. 536 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: She was in between Peggy Fleming and my so she 537 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: was right in the in the middle. So that growing up, 538 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 1: she was such an inspiration. Not that Peggy wasn't, but 539 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: Peggy was so elegant and graceful. I could never sort of, 540 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, be that, Oh it wasn't. I mean, you 541 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: felt the realistic aspiration from me. Yeah, Well, but it's 542 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: interesting that you were so successful even though you thought 543 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: that she was at a different level. She just filled 544 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: a different void for people. But you, you, you the 545 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: room for everybody, is what I'm saying. You succeeded and 546 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: excelled in a totally different way, even though in your 547 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: mind you never was as good as her. That was 548 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: from what you're describing. But to the world you were 549 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: it was just different. Different. Yeah, it was different. And I, 550 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, I was would look up to somebody that 551 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: I felt that I could, Um, that wasn't unrealistic because 552 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: I would never be aspired to baby. And then later on, well, 553 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: I watched the skating last weekend on Nationals and these youngsters, 554 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean I could watch them all all day because 555 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: there maybe because the pandemic, maybe they're all, you know, 556 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: skating more and not competing as much. They're just amazing 557 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: athletes and the things they're doing the difficulty is outstanding. 558 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: So so that was really fun. So I could watch 559 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: a lot of those skaters. Those are I mean, I 560 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: could still watch people like well John Curry all all 561 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: of these people are in the big skating rink in 562 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: the sky, I think. But um, there's some that have 563 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: just mastered the sports so well that you that's so nice. 564 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: It's an amazing thing to have been part of, I 565 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: have to say. And so with that, I'll ask you 566 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: of your career, not your life. What is your rose 567 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: and what is your thorn? Sounds like you described your thorn, 568 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: but it might not be like you can Your thorn 569 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: could be different. No, I think the thorn was just 570 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: the whole, you know, the whole having to sell ice 571 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: capades and and you know, divorce and bankruptcy. That was 572 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: all thorn. Yeah. And the rose, I mean I think 573 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: the rose is just what I've the opportunities I've had, 574 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: people I've met, not necessarily skating, I mean, skating is 575 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: always the sort of the entry point, um, you know, 576 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: the dirt, yeah, the grassroots, you know, it's just always 577 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: been my savior skating. Um. So like just the wonderful 578 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: experiences and people have been able to meet and things, Um, 579 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: those are sort of the highlights, I guess. So you've 580 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: had a great career And do you care about age 581 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: or vanity or relevance, like do you get recognized? Let 582 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: do you still feel relevant? You know? How does that do? 583 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: How does that whole? What's your relationship with that part? 584 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: Of it, the same part of it, um, the same 585 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: part was really hard in the beginning. Now, I'm old people, 586 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, if they look at my idea or something 587 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: that that's a familiar name. But most but most people 588 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: are young people don't, which is which is fine? Relevance, 589 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm I don't really not relevant and 590 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: I don't think to me, you are. I called you 591 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: to be on this podcast for reason that you're not 592 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: so old, you know, but I'm not so young. But 593 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm older. I'm a bit older than you are. But 594 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: that's okay. I think you look great. You look young, 595 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: and you feel young, and you are relevant to me. 596 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: So I just curious about that, you know, part of 597 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,479 Speaker 1: your life. I do miss, you know, not having you know, 598 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: the young skin. I hate the gray eyelashes and the 599 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: gray everything else and the sallow skin and things jiggle 600 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: a lot more, you know, when you're young and you're 601 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: fit either, oh you know, Well I didn't think I 602 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: was fit then, but I know i'm not now. So 603 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: that's hard to that's hard to accept. Yeah, and do 604 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: you work on that or do not? You you don't 605 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: care that much? I mean, do you care about plastic 606 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: surgery and botox and procedures and working out like crazy 607 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: or any of that stuff. I do care about it. 608 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: For the last couple of years, I haven't been able 609 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: to exercise because of you know, my back issues. I 610 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: mean I couldn't even stand on my right leg so 611 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: and I was in such pain. But so that I 612 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: care about. But I absolutely think about you know, I'm 613 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: thinking what to do, when is the time? What someone's 614 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: to tell Yeah, I'll tell you. I think you I 615 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: was you look really fresh and really young. I swear 616 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: to God, and I would tell you do you do? 617 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: You don't and sometimes I think you look amazing. Well, 618 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: thank you. But I was talking to Christopher Buckle, this 619 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, famous makeup artist this morning. I was just 620 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: texting him because he's a friend, and I said, one day, 621 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: if I need to do something, you'll tell me, he said, 622 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: I because he told someone else that you know, in 623 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 1: common when it was time for them. But some people 624 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: we'll just grow old gracefully, myself possibly included, because I 625 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: don't want to look like an alien. That's scarier than 626 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: looking a little old, like looking like a freak alien. 627 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: That's not my type of brand of being. Like, that's 628 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: not for me. Yep, I'm with you and that one. 629 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: So but so you look good. You look good, so 630 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: thank you. You look fabulous. Thank you. It's so nice 631 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: to meet you, and thank you for doing this. I'm 632 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: sure you were curious about what this would even be 633 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: because it's you know, no, I was listening to a 634 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: few of your podcasts, so I'm a total fan. And 635 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: now I know because I'm not I don't know the 636 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: social me media stuff well so um, but I certainly 637 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: know you from all the wonderful things you've done and 638 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: going through the grocery store or the liquor store seeing 639 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: your skinny girl, I'm envious. Well that's humbling, humbling to me, 640 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: it's wonderful. Oh, thank you. Well, now we know each other, 641 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: so our paths will cross one day maybe we'll be 642 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: skiing or ice skating near each other. So so nice 643 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: to meet you, and I wish you the best of everything. 644 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: Thank you you too, and thanks for having me. It 645 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: was fun, of course, yeah, really fun. Have a great day, 646 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: my dear. All right, take care. That was Dorothy Hamill, 647 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: someone who was a household name when I was a kid. 648 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: Wheaties box, I'm sure, and just she was an Olympic 649 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: figure skater, but one of the only ones that really 650 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: popped off, I mean Peggy Fleming and then Dorothy Hamill, 651 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: and later it was Nancy Kerrigan in my life that 652 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: just really was so commercial and America, a sweetheart and 653 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: loved and um and I just in doing this podcast, 654 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: I'll just think about people who I think I would 655 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: want to have an interesting conversation with, people who have 656 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: been a part of something or built something, done something interesting. 657 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a Dorothy Hamill haircut and it 658 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: was named after her. No smaller and maybe even bigger 659 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: than Jennifer Aniston haircut. I mean it was a big 660 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: damn deal. There was this shorter sort of bowl I 661 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: had it anyway. She was absolutely lovely. She's been through 662 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: the wringer with body pain, with financial ruin effectively and 663 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: rebuilding and so negative experiences with relationships, so it's probably 664 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: comforting for people to hear that other people are going 665 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: through what they're going through. I mean, even wildly successful 666 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: famous Olympic athletes. So that was Dorothy Hamill, and I 667 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: was really excited to speak to her. Really nice conversation 668 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: and what a lovely person.