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Speaker 1: I am Jason Phelps, and I'm a new host of

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Speaker 1: Cutting the Distance. Growing up in the Pacific Northwest, I've

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Speaker 1: been hunting for about as long as I can remember.

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Speaker 1: It didn't take long, though, for my love of hunting

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Speaker 1: to turn into a love of calling animals in This

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Speaker 1: obsession ultimately led me to starting Phelps Game Calls back

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. Since then, I've learned, damn

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Speaker 1: there everything there is to know about building calls, as

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Speaker 1: well as how to use them effectively in the field.

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Speaker 1: Get them close. That's always been my mantra. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: there isn't a more exciting way to hunt. So in

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Speaker 1: this podcast, we're going to cover everything about using the calls,

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Speaker 1: everything about the hunting tactics that surround using the calls,

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Speaker 1: as well as times when using calls just isn't the

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Speaker 1: right thing to do. So how do we get there?

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Speaker 1: We get there through questions from you. We get there

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Speaker 1: by leveraging my own personal experience, which is going to

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Speaker 1: include a lot of failures and a lot of success,

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Speaker 1: And we get there through conversations with experts on topics

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Speaker 1: we are tackling and discussing. Now, without further ado, let's

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Speaker 1: dive right in. Turkey season is right around the corner.

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Speaker 1: So in this first episode of Cutting This Ince with

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Speaker 1: Jason Phelps, it's all about turkeys. Today. I'll be discussing

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Speaker 1: a project my good buddy Stephen Ronella and I have

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Speaker 1: been working on for the past year, as well as

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Speaker 1: dive into some of Steve's personal tips and tactics to

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Speaker 1: help you harvest turkey this season. All right, one of

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Speaker 1: the big components of this podcast is going to be

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Speaker 1: your questions, the users, the listeners. Um. Since this is

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Speaker 1: the first episode, we're gonna go to Steve for a

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Speaker 1: user januated question. Okay, I got a question about the

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Speaker 1: questions though. How do people submit questions? So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna sumith stuff all time. You're gonna be like,

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna you're gonna have that at Okay, perfect,

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Speaker 1: be like, so we're gonna scour all of our social

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Speaker 1: can put feedback in there too. Yeah yeah, if you

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Speaker 1: we're wanting just more positive negative feedback. You can send

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Speaker 1: it to Steve. You don't want you don't want Jameson

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Speaker 1: to get deflated. Yea. So here's my question. Ready, Ready,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sending, I'm not emailing. I'm just gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you right now. Mike to Mike, it's a two it's

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Speaker 1: a three part, but they're quick. What's the longest you've

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Speaker 1: ever seen a diaphragm call? Last? How do most people

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Speaker 1: ruin them? And like, how do you take care of

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Speaker 1: him in storm? Okay? Number one? I can remember. I

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Speaker 1: can remember this call. It was a purple piece of

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Speaker 1: number one call and I took I babied that call. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think I got four or five years out of

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Speaker 1: competable competition calling in everything. No kid, yeah, babie, I

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Speaker 1: mean because you get the you know the window you

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Speaker 1: So we've been talking about turkey calls for a long time,

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Speaker 1: It just disrupts my system. Right. So my idea as

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Speaker 1: You know, you're ready to make calls, you know, whether

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Speaker 1: you vetted out like all of that by just you know,

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Speaker 1: turkeys seven state something like that. Uh. Man, That dude

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00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 1: can locate turkeys with a box. Yea, Like he's got

427
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 1: a signature locating. He's just loud, aggressive cuts and you're

428
00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: almost kind of like when he does it, you're almost

429
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: like he's really off the distance, you know. Yeah, there's

430
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: that's what frustrates me. There's days, Um, I remember my

431
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: wife's first turkey. Um would not answer anything else that

432
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 1: pisces me off because I'm gonna die from caller. I'm

433
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 1: a good on a popcom, good on the out, you

434
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 1: know crow. And then he'd only answer this damn box call.

435
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: Back in the day, I was using like the I

436
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 1: think the Primost heartbreaker, you know. So I was just

437
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: cranking on and nothing answered. And I literally had to

438
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 1: like box call him all the way in the shotgun

439
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: range because he would not answer any other call. So

440
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: it was just it was was you know, I'm glad

441
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: I had it in the Turkey vest, but it was

442
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: just one of those things like there are times where

443
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: it works, you know, Wendy mornings, you know, or just

444
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: like a dense, voggy morning where sound isn't traveling, like

445
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: when Nathy gets a strike. When he gets a strike

446
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: off that box call though, you know, the first thing

447
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: he does, what's up? What's the box call away? Yeah?

448
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: That was hand in that direction. Man. He like the

449
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: box call goes away, it's not coming back out, and

450
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: he's liked that way. So we fly into um Kansas City, Missouri.

451
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: We drive a little ways. I think it was about

452
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: an hour and a half, and we decided on Union

453
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: Union Town, Kansas is where we're gonna cut this tree down.

454
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 1: And and I'd like to tell some big story on why,

455
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: but it was really I had a good buddy, um

456
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: Randy Milligan, who I got to hunt with last spring. Um,

457
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: I think we had advertised on a podcast like, hey,

458
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 1: we're looking for somebody with a tree, and then I

459
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: think I got like forty or fifty yet emails that

460
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 1: came from Corey Caulkins here at the meat eating like

461
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: everybody offering up their tree, and it's just, you know,

462
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: it just didn't have the right feel, you know, you

463
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: like you gotta come to somebody. Is that gonna be

464
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: the right tree? Is it kind of pre scouted? And uh,

465
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: my good buddy Randy had had reached out and said, hey,

466
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: I got I got hedge, I've got you know, all

467
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 1: kinds of black walnut hickory. You know, he owns quite

468
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: a bit of property there on Union Town, Kansas. And uh,

469
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: I think I shot you a message and yeah, that'll work.

470
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: And it's no small thing to give away a walnut

471
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,479
Speaker 1: tree because um or to offer one up. Because one

472
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: thing we learned about is you can have an expensive damn.

473
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean it takes like a perfect there's there's that

474
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: I don't understand it well enough, but a veneer grade

475
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: walnut where they're taking off like paper thin concentric circles

476
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: off of a walnut. And when you get one of those,

477
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: and there's no branches and no blemishes. You can have

478
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: a tree that's were of thousands and thousands of I mean,

479
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact number. He had mentioned. Why

480
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: we're there, like his neighbor had just sold like a

481
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: black walnut for ten thousand dollars or stuff. It was

482
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: because it was it was there's a they're building a bank,

483
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: and the bank wanted walnut veneer on the walls of

484
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: the bank in certain conference rooms and stuff. But they

485
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: wanted it all to match, like, so they had to

486
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: find they wanted like one walnut and and when you

487
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: take that veneer off what we're talking. I remember someone

488
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: saying someone handed us a business card and it felt

489
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: like a pretty heavy duty business card. Builds a business card,

490
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: And wasn't it like three or four layers laminated together.

491
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: It's thin. Yeah, yeah, I think Joe the mill, the

492
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: owner of the mill, handed us a business card because

493
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: being a milk guy, you gotta have a business card

494
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: made out of veneer um. But yeah, he told us

495
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: like vineer centner than this. Yeah, it was, it was

496
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: like a few of them. But yeah, anyways, so when

497
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: they finally found like the tree that you could do

498
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: the whole damn bank in it. Yes, valuable treat man

499
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: half like half of a half of a truck, half

500
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: of a used trucks. So we we kind of scouted

501
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: the property. Um, Randy kind of pre scouted a little

502
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: bit for us, and you know, there were some options

503
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: he had, um, but we had went there, UM settled

504
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: on a pretty good straight black walnut. Um. We'll talk

505
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: here a little bit about kind of as we look

506
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: at the tree, kind of how many you know, you're

507
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: looking at that tree like that's a thousand plot calls

508
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: worth or that. You know, we weren't looking at it

509
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: like you know what what else we're going to get

510
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: out of it or what? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And then

511
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: we cut looking at a chicken and being like how

512
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: many dry flies are in that chicken? Yeah? And that

513
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: chicken sped Um found a good os of orange. And

514
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: then UM me with us like I'm gonna blame it

515
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: on their technique, this whole Eastern like sawing technique that

516
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 1: I split the wooden half. Yeah, we won't get into that.

517
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: So I wasted our first hedge. Well, but are you

518
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: gonna explain the technique and why they do it? Yeah? Yeah,

519
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: we'll get into that. A little bit more so I

520
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: wasted a wasted one osage. Um, we went to another

521
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: one that actually probably ended up being a better option

522
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: that was right next to it. Got it fell barbered,

523
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: you barbered shared. Yeah, yeah, I'm blaming on their technique.

524
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm from the I'm from the coastal rainforest where

525
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: we cut trees way different than this technique that I

526
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: was scared working on a big tree like that. I

527
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: was scared because I was an unknown territory. Yeah, yeah,

528
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean that we were just kind of relying on

529
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: them a little bit to walk us through the technique.

530
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: So then we loaded these trees up on a big

531
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: flatbed and we shipped them about an hour south to Walnut, Kansas,

532
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: where we spent the next day um milling these you

533
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: know logs up to our specs. We knew we you know,

534
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: needed five quarters for some warping and some splitting as

535
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: he's you know dried on the pallette and and um

536
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: and then as they dried in the kim So we

537
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: we set everything up to what we needed to build

538
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: our ultimate pot calls out. I like the point out

539
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: that was Walnut, Kansas was we we processed the walnut

540
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: and Walnut, Kansas. And I can't think about that day

541
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 1: without thinking about the chickers though, because we were like

542
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: way dialed when we were out cutting the trees. You know,

543
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: I did all that everything is supposed to do. I

544
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: like did like Premethron on my clothes. I like pulled

545
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: my pants down, did my waistline and ankles and deep

546
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: like everything as textbook. They were like, well, we're going

547
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: to the mill, you know, and I'm when I'm pictured

548
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: in the mill, I don't know, I'm pictured like being

549
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: in a building with a concrete floor. So I got

550
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: like sneakers on, like don't do anything. And I get

551
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: to the mill, is you know out in the yeah,

552
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: the field, Yeah, just like equipment out in the field.

553
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: And had no idea dude, but I suffered for weeks

554
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: after that. I got lit up and I had them

555
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: little baby ticks all over in my calf. It was, yeah,

556
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't good. No, Um, I always think of that.

557
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: I can't like think of I honestly, I won't be

558
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: able to look at these calls aout feel a little itchy.

559
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: So everybody that gets one of these things, they should

560
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: fee a little itchy when they think them like we

561
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: we got tore up for these calls bad. So we're

562
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: out in the out in the woods, um looking at

563
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: these trees. I just want to explain a little bit.

564
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: You know there there are board foot calculations. I know

565
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: is the call designer, Like when I go in to

566
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: build a call, I need about point to board feet

567
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: per call, you know, And and just to go over

568
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: the board foot calculation for everybody doesn't know, we're looking

569
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: at however many inches thick this board is, by however

570
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: many inches wide the board is, by how long it

571
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: is in feet, and then we'll divide it by twelve

572
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: and you ultimately get like forty four cubic inches makes

573
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: a board foot. So if I called someone I still

574
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: not totally clear on this. If I called a vendor

575
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: YEP and said I want you to send me one

576
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: board foot of walnut YEP, I would get in the

577
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: mail what you would have to They would then ask you,

578
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: how do you want that board foot? Do you want

579
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: it in four quarters by four inches wide? Do you

580
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: want it in four quarters by six inches? Why do

581
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: you want it in six quarters by? And then your

582
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: length with then depend on like how much you know,

583
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: how long it was would depend on the width and

584
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: the thickness of that board. But the volume, the volume

585
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: of what I'm getting doesn't change. No, No, you can

586
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: get one board foot in a perfect square block, or

587
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: you can get one board foot and like a board

588
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: I got you. Um so yeah, it's just a measurement

589
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: of volume. Um. So we kind of knew that going in.

590
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: Um and then uh, you know, we we got so yeah,

591
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: you know why that I'm confused about that now? Now

592
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: I remember you knew the thickness yep, So all right,

593
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: I knew I needed I was always visualizing a board

594
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: foot and what you were talking about, But I wasn't

595
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: thinking that let's say you had to make a thing

596
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: that was three inches thick, then your whole he damn

597
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: sure not. Better send you a board it's one inch there. Yeah,

598
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: so we knew we needed a five quarter by a

599
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: four inch board that is our blank. And then the

600
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: length just needed to be enough to get you know, uh,

601
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: you know all those calls. And then we could basically

602
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: divide that by the point because because the end and

603
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: the end the call is heal thick, the call ends

604
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: up being right at just a hair over three quarters

605
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: of an inch thick, and you go over by how much, um,

606
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: So we went five quarters. We were actually cutting these

607
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: boards to a true dimension at one point to five

608
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: and that was the account for all the warp um.

609
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: We have to plane all of these and even on

610
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: some of these boards we got off, we're gonna actually

611
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: lose the call at the end of the boards because

612
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: by the time we plane them they got too thin.

613
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: So it's just that's why we had to be. So

614
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: you're literally giving up a half an inch um, you

615
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: know on the board that that's gonna go to waste

616
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: while you're milling it compared to what we're gonna get

617
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: out of the out of the board. But when you

618
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: buy it from like Joe's Lumber, you buy it the

619
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: same way it comes. Well, we'll buy it four quarters

620
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: in because it's clean. Yeah, we know that it's gonna

621
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: be perfectly straight and we won't have any waste on that.

622
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: So part of that was just no one you're getting

623
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: into like yeah, yeah, we're not buying that's great at yourself. Yeah. Um,

624
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, so we're doing a lot of you know,

625
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: all of the measurements are like we brought Seth along

626
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: to help us, you know, for a street degree, and

627
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: but a lot of the dimensions are just taking it

628
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: what's called breast height. You know, so on normal humans

629
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: about four and a half feet um their breast height.

630
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: You you take a measurement on what they think that

631
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: diameter is. You know, those some of the guys that

632
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 1: were working with us there, they're so experienced they kind

633
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: of just hugged the tree kind of figured out, well,

634
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: I think that's about a twenty four inch or and

635
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: then you can kind of go to a chart. You know,

636
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: there's two different dimensions. There's like a Doyle chart and

637
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: then there's like a a quarter inch chart, and that

638
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: kind of gives you an idea of how many board

639
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: feet do you think they're gonna get based on like

640
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: a sixteen ft straight section. Yeah, and those those dudes

641
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: we were worth it dealing a lot of lumber. They're

642
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: also looking at the big limbs, yeah, and they just

643
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: kind of that's just like seriously eyeball. But he's just

644
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: looking up in the tree and being like, oh, x

645
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: more that limb, that limb is probably nothing. Yeah, or

646
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 1: if they had a curve to them, like even when

647
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: that dries, the board just gonna go completely crazy. And

648
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be usable anyways, you know. So they

649
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: were they were walking through all that or that limb

650
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: ten feet long, but I forgot that too, Like depending

651
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: the limbs length and how it was oriented to the tree,

652
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: he would gauge like how it's gonna dry, and he'd

653
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: be like, you're gonna have a mess. You gotta think

654
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: of that limb is basically a big diving board, right,

655
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: So the bottom side of that trees happened to you know,

656
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: it's under a bunch of stress compared or the top

657
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: side of the tree's and tension the bottoms and compression.

658
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 1: You know, so you're trying to you know, think if

659
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: when that board dries, it's gonna want to settle out

660
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: and it's gonna get all warped and messed up. So

661
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: you know what I was down in the when I

662
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: was down South America, they have a lot of those

663
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: buttressed those big jungle trees that have like the buttress roots. Uh.

664
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: And some of these buttress roots you could cut a

665
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: tabletop out of them. It's huge. I mean it's like

666
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: you're standing at the tree and the buttress, which looks

667
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: like a descending ridgeline coming off the tree is taller

668
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: than you, and it looks like it's like a position

669
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: to sort of like block the tree up. But they're

670
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: explaining that that's a cable pulling on that tree. Yeah,

671
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: it's just like a it's not reading for it's not

672
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: like it up. Yeah, it's not like I guess building

673
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: a retaining walls pull down. Yeah, try to get it

674
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: back where it should be. Yeah. That kind of like

675
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: logging with the big yard and all those cables just

676
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: kind of pulling, pulling that thing into being straight up. Um. Next,

677
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: I want to get into like the crazy way they

678
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: taught us to cut these trees down, and we kind

679
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: of just you know, when you're in when you're in

680
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: their ballpark, you played by their rules. So you know,

681
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: I came in from I live in maybe the timber

682
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: capital of the world there and in southwest Washington. You know,

683
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of come from a long lineage of tree followers,

684
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: and we show up and and I think there was

685
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: some wind damage or a big storm right before we

686
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: got there, and they actually had to cut a tree

687
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: down before we got Yeah, and they kind of I

688
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: think I kind of stood there and kind of got

689
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: out of the way, but kind of watched and like,

690
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: what in the hell are they doing? It's it's zero

691
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: because they're dealing with high dollar hardwood. Yeah, so I

692
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: mean that they have a zero waste cut. Yeah, their

693
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: stump is literally flush with the ground and they don't

694
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: knock a they don't knock a wedge out. No, just

695
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: because you're thrown away. Yeah, a hundred bucks. I don't know.

696
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: They put a little teeny face cut in, just a

697
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: little one. Remember we we had just what I mean,

698
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: It's like they you're losing a saw with yep in

699
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: a core, so you always have to make like a diagram.

700
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: So scary. I didn't. I felt scary doing that. So

701
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: I'll do my best to describe it and you can

702
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: add some details. Um, we cut a small face cut

703
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: into the direction we wanted the tree to fall. And

704
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: normally after you cut your larger face cut in like

705
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: a Douglas fir tree around home, you then come in

706
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: from the back side of the log and and steer

707
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: your saw perfectly square to that direction, and you approach

708
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: your your holding wood. Um. I can't remember if you're

709
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: up you know, a little high or whatever, but you

710
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: approach your your wood until the tree starts to tip

711
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: and you get out of there. Well, here we cut

712
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: our face notch in a lot shallower, um, not in

713
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: the dirt, more offset towards the way you want. And

714
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: then you came directly behind the holding wood and you

715
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: dog the nose of your saw in and left that

716
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: one inch. So now you basically got your sauce stuck

717
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: through the center of the tree whole, you know, notch.

718
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: Let's say to the right, and then you saw your

719
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: way out the backside of the tree and hollow the

720
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: whole thing out. Yeah, and then when you get to

721
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: the end, they want you to kind of work a

722
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: little bit quick and just kind of zip through and

723
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: then the tree falls. Yes, you got Yeah, let's go

724
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: away putting it. You got a face cut, you got

725
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: a gap of wood. Then the whole damn tree is gone,

726
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: and you got the other face just barely hold none

727
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: And you just nicked that thing and then it worked. Yeah,

728
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: And I mean they literally, you know, at home, we

729
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: we leave a two foot stump, you know. So you

730
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: go to a clear cutting, there's all these damn stumps everywhere. Um,

731
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: this thing is that are like if if somebody didn't

732
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: tell you you're walking through the wood that there's a

733
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: tree cut down over there. I mean, you wouldn't know

734
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: it was there. Drive Lawnmoor. Yeah yeah, I mean it

735
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: was flush. It was a kind of cool little way

736
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: that they showed us. And like I said, we were

737
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: in their arena. That's how they were comfortable cutting trees down.

738
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: So I don't people, I know how people can learn

739
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. They don't need a diagram. The

740
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: video they watched. Damn video, man, that tree you all

741
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: I got. I had fifty ticks on my hand when

742
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: I went to reach for that damn camera. They were everywhere. Um.

743
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: So then we took him down to the mill. Well

744
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: we'll fast forward to that, loaded him up with skid steers,

745
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, loaders, all of that got him, got him

746
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: chained down on that we kind of into just whatever

747
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: natural we don't We didn't buck it to length. No,

748
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: we bucked it to three points where we were gonna,

749
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, things were getting curvy or we're gonna start

750
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: to lose you know, two limbs and whatnot. Just what

751
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: made sense for for good lumber. Um. And then we

752
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: we mosied on down the next morning to Walnut, Kansas,

753
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: down to the mill and the bandsaw out of the field.

754
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Ye up, And so we we loaded I think walnut

755
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: on first. You know, they take their cuts, they start

756
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: to see what we're actually you know, you don't know

757
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: what you got until you start to open up the wood.

758
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: And we could tell right away it was gonna be, um,

759
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, really pretty wood. And so we started loading

760
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: the walnuts up, got those all cut up five quarters

761
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: new for an osage, you know that you know, based

762
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: on different woods, osage is really really hard. It's got

763
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: like a specific gravity at point eight, so it's really heavy.

764
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: V a matter of fact, I think I've seen a

765
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: statistic it's got like one of the highest uh BTU

766
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: ratings like for firewood, Like it's gonna burn the hottest,

767
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: So it's got the most energy stored up in it.

768
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: So it's a real dense one of the reasons it

769
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: makes an absolutely amazing striker. Um. So we cut that

770
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: four quarters, knowing that a striker was gonna end up

771
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: being you know, right at three quarters of an inch

772
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: on on osage by my my designs. And so we

773
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: milled the osage up at four quarters, milled the the

774
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: walnut up at five quarters, and then kind of just

775
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: told them, you know what the optimum boards to ship

776
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: to the kiln was gonna be. Yeah, I wanna. I

777
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: want to add a thing quick about these dudes that

778
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: we milled with. They used to have there was an

779
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: old gas well on their property and the gas well

780
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: went dry, but it has still has natural gas in it.

781
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: They had their they had rigged up where they were

782
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: pulling Get they're pulling natural gas like next to their mill.

783
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: And then they had a natural gas whatever we saw Yep.

784
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: They converted this old tractor engine to natural gas and

785
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: that powered their old mill. Yeah, and they had like

786
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: a totally self contained unit. And I think about the

787
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: old mill, like I just I sit there and kind

788
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: of scratched my head and then I kind of kind

789
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: of walked away, Like, man, these guys just do what

790
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: they need to do. Like they had this old tractor

791
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: motor that was the drive train was hooked to an

792
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: old rubber tire and that's what fed the logs. They

793
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: pulled a lever of a spinning rubber tire that would

794
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: spit the logs toge. Yeah, that would engage the blade

795
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: and then it spun the log. Joe, I'm just like,

796
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: this can't be like Osha approved. But if you looked

797
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: around a while, I think you'd find some limbs. You'd

798
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: be like, there's a thumb bone. But I kind of

799
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I don't know hopefully that comes

800
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: out in the story, but like this is the way

801
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: that some of this this stuff gets done, like just real,

802
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, down to Earth, people running mills out in

803
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: their backfield. UM, that's how you get some of this

804
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: This lumber. UM tipped it to a kiln. We decided

805
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: to ship the green lumber, meaning wet, no drying at all.

806
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: The green lumber got put on a UM semi truck

807
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: and shipp to Addie, Washington, where we had it shipped

808
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: to a kiln. UM and I think about a killing.

809
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: So if I was just take those those boards that

810
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: we milled up and say we wax the ends so

811
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: we can control the way that the board actually dried out.

812
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: We don't want the board to dry out the ends.

813
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: We want the board to draw out like on its

814
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: its face of a surface, so it doesn't crack. So

815
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: you'd wax or paint the ends of the board let

816
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: it dry. We usually say that it takes about a

817
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: year per inch of thickness so we just don't have

818
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: that kind of time, right, So you we use these

819
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: kilns to speed up this process to get that's natural,

820
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: that's yeah. Yeah. So if I was just to throw

821
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: it in a in a shop and put a little doneage,

822
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, a little space or sticks in between it

823
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: so you can get all around it, it's gonna take

824
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: a year an inch. Um, we don't have that kind

825
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: of time. Is to kill the different quality of drying

826
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: or is it just you wind up with the same thing?

827
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: Just you still end up I mean, ultimately are optimal

828
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: moisture contents around seven landing in the same place. I

829
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: need that moisture content so that board is done moving

830
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: at the time we put a drill bit a you know,

831
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: a mill lathe, anything to any of the process of

832
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: that board is not gonna move or warp on us anymore. Um,

833
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: so we're shooting freight percent. Now, what the kiln does

834
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: is you put a bunch of steam vapor in there,

835
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: so you're actually adding moisture to the situation. But then

836
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: you can draw that moisture down and like a controlled process. Um,

837
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: so you don't get all the splitting and warping as

838
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: much you can control that a lot more by basically

839
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: bringing up the moisture to what the board has and

840
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: then slowly, inside of controlled environment, pull that out. Um,

841
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: not to bore everybody with that process, it's just it

842
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: took us about six weeks to get our mos age

843
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: and walnut down to that seven and eight percent, and

844
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: then from there we have to look at these boards

845
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: that we now have ranging anywhere from eight to twelve

846
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: inches and kind of pick out what's gonna give us

847
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: our best boards. If we need two four inch strips,

848
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: some of it's gonna go to waste anyway. So we're

849
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: kind of looking evaluating the boards, where checks, where soft spots,

850
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: where not you know, entered into that board, and we

851
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: kind of just go back and and we're kind of

852
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: doing our best to kind of grade the lumber or

853
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of cherry pick what we want out of it.

854
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: So where you're at now, Um, how many do you

855
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: think we're hiding in that tree? So we think and

856
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: we you know, the I'm gonna give some of our

857
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: tips away or tricks, but but we're completely transparent on

858
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: this process. We think we can get about fifty pots.

859
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna say we're we're doing better than our are are.

860
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: We're doing way better in our goal of that. We

861
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: wanted a tree with a thousand in it, yep um,

862
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna be around fourteen hundred, and

863
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: that's to give us fifty extras. And because along the process,

864
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: if you have a tool catch, you know, a pot,

865
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: it blows up. Well, he's like, well all right, number

866
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: one thousand two is missing, you know, like we got

867
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: to replace it, and so you gotta kind of shoot

868
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: for number lower than what you have my knife handle.

869
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: So we keep getting these damn requests for knife handles

870
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: and stuff that are cutting out that that's gonna be

871
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: an extra, that's just basically gonna be scrap um. So

872
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: we're shooting for fourteen hundred and what that's gonna end

873
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: up giving us, and we haven't talked about it a lot.

874
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: We've decided on a pure crystal surface, so not glass.

875
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: We went pure crystal over a Pennsylvanian slate um toneboard

876
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: inside of the walnut pot. And then we're gonna have

877
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: a one piece custom O Sage orange striker one piece.

878
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: We we ended up being able to make that happen

879
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: after a lot a lot of I'm like, come on,

880
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: pressures on guys like you need to just like so

881
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: there's times where I'm not gonna lie super inefficient to

882
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: like literally run we take a one by one one

883
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: inch by one inch piece of osage, run it through

884
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: a daling machine, so it basically spits out a broom handle.

885
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: But normally you want to get like three to four

886
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: ft broom handles. We're getting broom handles. But that's just

887
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: to get one more striker out of out of the board.

888
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: But do you think you're gonna be able to match

889
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: it and strikers? Yeah, that's what that's where we get

890
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: the number. The concern with the lower number was if

891
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: we were to just if this is mass production and

892
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: and uh like efficiency and time was involved, we wouldn't

893
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: have got that many. But since we said, all right,

894
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: let's throw the efficiency away and just go hunt for

895
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: every single striker and every piece of osage we have,

896
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: they were able to go like pull these ones and

897
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: two's out of boards where we would normally scrap and

898
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: just say it's worth burning. When you when you watch

899
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: the video, you'll see those age two. Yeah, you'll see

900
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: where it came from. So we've got that all, I mean,

901
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: just everything we're doing on this is the like Steve

902
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: said earlier, just create an experience to go along with

903
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: that pot calling. And I think, um, when everybody kind

904
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: of sees the end product, they're gonna agree, like there

905
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: there isn't a pot call with you know, this much

906
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: thought put into anything, as far as even the day

907
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: packaging that we decided to come up with, just you know,

908
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: everything from from top to bottom on this is. We

909
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: didn't you know, we didn't spare any expenses in the process,

910
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: tried to make just a real one off. You know,

911
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: the art on the call is going to be you know,

912
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: um kind of one off. Nobody else's did this again,

913
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: so I'm really excited. It's beautiful, man. Yeah, it turned

914
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: out great. I mean, the whole thing is beautiful. And

915
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: tell people when they're gonna be done. These line one

916
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: calls should be available right now at them me eater

917
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: dot com. You know the term line one. There's a

918
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: line of cattle that they've been researching for a long time.

919
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: It's called the line one Hervard and I always liked

920
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: that and always you wonder about the line to Herford. Yeah,

921
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, well so we're thinking about I was like, no,

922
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: that's the first one. It's the line one. Yeah, No,

923
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: I love the name when you kind of I think

924
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: we're in Kansas when you brought that up on my house,

925
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: and I don't have any objections to that name. And

926
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, for a while there we had kind of

927
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: like kind of coined it treated turkey since our intention

928
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: at the end of this is for me and you

929
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: to hopefully go back there one of these years, whenever

930
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: our schedules line up, and kill a turkey from that property.

931
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: And the funny still like this part, but I think

932
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it from the stump. You're gonna sit

933
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: on that stump. So I mean a funny story id

934
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: with Randy. This year, I literally killed my turkey within no,

935
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: no more than a quarter mile from where there's the walnut,

936
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: and no stage was cut down. Turkeys have definitely walked

937
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: under that tree. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good piece of property.

938
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: Randy does a good job. There has a lot of turkeys.

939
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: All right. We went a little bit long there on

940
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: the line one discussion. But what this podcast is meant

941
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: to do is bring you tips and tactics, and we

942
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: don't want to leave without asking Steve a question. Um,

943
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: to kind of get some of his input um on

944
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: one of these questions. So I'm gonna pose a situation

945
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: for Steve. You're in an area with good bird numbers,

946
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: all kinds of good turkey habitat. You know, you've got

947
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: a good mix of agg roost, trees, feed cover everything

948
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: a turkey needs nesting. Um. But the state you're hunting only,

949
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: lets you get a tag that's good for two hours

950
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: of the day. So you're gonna have to pick your

951
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: time whether you want to be from the states an

952
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: interesting state. Yeah, so it's you know, you can pick

953
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: a time from let's say roost to seven thirty whatever

954
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: it is. Um, what time are you going to choose?

955
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: To eleven, nine eleven? Can you give me maybe ten? No,

956
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. I was vast lading between ten to

957
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: twelve and nine nine to eleven. Here's the thing, if

958
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: you gotta be there as since dad, like I don't

959
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: like going out late. You hear about people to get

960
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: older and they just get up, eat breakfast and going

961
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: the woods. Like I like to be there. It's part

962
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: of the package to be there from dawn. I like

963
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: to be there daybreak. I want to hear him on

964
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: the trees. I like all that, but it's a thing

965
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: that happens where if I'm sitting there in the dark

966
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: and I hear a turkey, I don't have overwhelming confidence

967
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna kill that turkey. But there's something about

968
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: ten am. You're half thinking about taking a nap, you know,

969
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: and you haven't heard anything in a couple of hours.

970
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: It's been pretty slow, and at ten am all said, Wow,

971
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: I was gonna like, we're gonna kill that bird. Yeah, yeah,

972
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: that that bird. Yeah, it's it's exactly yeah. I mean

973
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: like he's like done. Dude, Like when he came out

974
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: of the tree, he had like an agenda. He's like

975
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: got his hands. He's just he's this guy. He's going

976
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: to some specific spot, whatever he's going to, whatever he's

977
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna do. He just they seem to oftentimes like they

978
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do when they get out of bed,

979
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: and then it gets late morning and they seemed to

980
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: enter there's fat there's variables like what where they're at

981
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: in the breeding cycle and nesting all that, but you

982
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: get birds that they get to be around that time

983
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: of day. And also it's like he's got free time

984
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: exactly yeah. Yeah, And when he hammers off there, You're like,

985
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a hint with him. If he does,

986
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: he's not He's like, no, what I'm not gonna do.

987
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I don't feel like he's laying

988
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: around in dustin. I feel still got a little spunk. Yeah,

989
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: and he sounds off, then I'd get real excited. Yeah.

990
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: And that's you know, So you're saying, if I could

991
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: pare for it, you would be a spectator. You'd still

992
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: go out. You just wuldn't carry your shotgun from daylight.

993
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: That's how you're still gonna go out there for the experience.

994
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: But you're gonna walk back to your your truck at

995
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: ten and check the legs. I check the legs and

996
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: make sure it's okay for me. Just go listen and

997
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: then go back and get my gun. No, I'll go

998
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: get my gun at nine o'clock because I wanted to

999
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: be ready for ten o'clock. So you're trying to hit

1000
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: it like prime in the middle there. Yeah, I might

1001
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: even take a little nap. I might take a nap.

1002
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I might take a twenty minute nap from like at

1003
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: nine sleep to nine thirty and then get ready for

1004
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: my ten am. Gotcha because this question stemmed from you know,

1005
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: me being you turkey hunter, you know high school. I

1006
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: would bomb jump in my car, bomb over to eastern

1007
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: Washing where we had all the turkeys, and and go

1008
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: and you know, we were up two hours before daylight,

1009
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, hiking and we want to sit under the tree.

1010
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: We'd watched those birds for you know, a day or

1011
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: two do this and you'd go set up thinking you

1012
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: and then you would never kill him off the damn roost.

1013
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because actually made a noise,

1014
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: um screwed him up, or but the wind, or what

1015
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: I can pattern turkeys for twenty days in a row,

1016
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: do the same thing, and I sit under that tree

1017
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: on the twenty first day, and they will not do

1018
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: what I need him to do to kill them. I

1019
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I don't know if they've

1020
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: got like a censor. Maybe it's because I can't keep

1021
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: my damn call to myself while um. But the old

1022
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: timers there used to say, we'll let you young bucks

1023
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: get up and get the turkeys already for us. We're

1024
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: gonna sleep in, We're gonna eat a good breakfast. When

1025
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: you guys are now taking your nap, are coming in

1026
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: to eat breakfast or lunch. We're gonna go out and

1027
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: kill turkeys and kill all your turkeys, and well the

1028
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: real old timers would go out at night and crawl

1029
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: in under the tree. So I was just it's curious.

1030
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: I think I'm with you, especially as it gets you know,

1031
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: later later April early May, at least where I hunt. Um,

1032
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: you know that that mid day is just kind of

1033
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: you know that. That's like you said, that's the bird

1034
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: that when it gobbles, You're like, we got this one. Um, No,

1035
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. So Steve, why we've

1036
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: got you here before we close? If you had any

1037
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: tipper tactic that you can give to a new turkey

1038
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: hunter to maybe help them find some success, Like what's

1039
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: the most important thing is in new turkey hunter? Um,

1040
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: that you would you'd share, you know, you'd care to

1041
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: share with them? Uh Man, so hard because what I

1042
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: want to say, like everything has exceptions. What I want

1043
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: to say is developing the ability until you start learning

1044
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: turkey behavior, develop the ability to control your impulses, like

1045
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a you're gonna make more as the

1046
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: beginning turkey hunter you're gonna make more mistakes of moving

1047
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: too soon and being too aggressive early on, You're gonna

1048
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: move too soon to be too aggressive, a bump, too

1049
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: many turkeys eater. When you start learning a lot more,

1050
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: you'll learn like just how aggressive you can be. But

1051
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't Things might not happen as quick as you

1052
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: want them to happen. And if you got a bird

1053
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: and you're calling to it, working it and he leaves,

1054
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: um learning when it's like, man, I would go in

1055
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: that direction, but I can tell by how loud the

1056
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: leaves are, by how open the country is. There's just

1057
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: no way that I'm gonna get up and he's gonna

1058
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: see me um so early on and be like, I

1059
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Speaker 1: don't know. Admit yourself, I don't know a ton about birds.

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Speaker 1: Yet every party wants to get up. But I also

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Speaker 1: know that me that I'm being, I'm probably gonna blow

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Speaker 1: it and just be a little more patient until you

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Speaker 1: get good enough and you've watched enough turkeys to start

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Speaker 1: being a little more adventurous. But I screwed up a

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Speaker 1: lot by going too hard and then there he is

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Speaker 1: staring at you. Yep. Yeah, So cautious patients a little

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Speaker 1: more as a beginner until you kind of learn, you know,

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Speaker 1: what you can get away with, yea, And that that's

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Speaker 1: exactly right, like learning what you can get away with,

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Speaker 1: you know, learning like I shouldn't. But in this like

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Speaker 1: you'll you'll wind up saying this yourself, I shouldn't do this,

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Speaker 1: but I know that right now it's okay, ye know.

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Speaker 1: And and one thing, I mean, what you're saying is

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Speaker 1: in order to learn that though you're gonna bump birds,

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Speaker 1: I mean, even with being cautious. He's I think Steve

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Speaker 1: telling you to be a little bit extra cautious on

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Speaker 1: the side, but they're on the side of not moving.

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Speaker 1: But then to ultimately learn what you can and can't

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Speaker 1: get away with, you're gonna have to bump birds somewhere

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Speaker 1: down the line. But to start with, just like you say,

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Speaker 1: be a little more reserved. I really appreciate having you, hear,

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Speaker 1: Steve Um. So what we're gonna say is go check

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Speaker 1: out the meat eater dot com somewhere on or around

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Speaker 1: line one Turkey call a really cool experience, they say.

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Speaker 1: I I kind of joke with Steve as I thought

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Speaker 1: his idea was wasn't great and I didn't like it

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Speaker 1: to begin with. But um, I became a believer about

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Speaker 1: halfway through the process, and I'm really excited to see

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Speaker 1: this through. If you had to pick one time and

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Speaker 1: you wanted to maybe see Steve out in the turkey

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Speaker 1: wood under a tree, you're gonna want to go between

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Speaker 1: nine and eleven because that was the time that Steve

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Speaker 1: picked um for for being out there as far as notching,

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Speaker 1: you know, his turkey tag on a turkey um Nother

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Speaker 1: than that, if you're a new turkey hunter, um, maybe

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Speaker 1: be a little more cautious until you kind of get

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Speaker 1: the turkeys figured out what you can get away with him.

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Speaker 1: As a friend of mine put it, when you feel

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Speaker 1: like doing something, don't. Thanks a lot, Steve, a right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks h