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Speaker 1: She was embarrassed. It's her home. She's the wife, the mother.

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Speaker 1: She had no knowledge of that device being there. But realistically,

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Speaker 1: the first time we were in the home, we didn't

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Speaker 1: know who placed it there. I mean, Justin was acting

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is betrayal. Season three, Episode two,

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Speaker 2: Good Moms. A listener note. Some names have been changed

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Speaker 2: to protect privacy. Stacy Rutherford had met her soulmate, doctor

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Speaker 2: Justin Rutherford, in twenty fifteen. They had been together for

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Speaker 2: five years. Mikaela, Stacy's eldest, was off to college, and

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Speaker 2: Tyler started high school.

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Speaker 3: They were all.

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Speaker 2: Enjoying the two youngest additions to the family. Stacy's two

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Speaker 2: older kids loved having young siblings.

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Speaker 3: They called them the littles.

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Speaker 2: Here's Tyler.

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Speaker 4: My little siblings would always call me Bubby. It's fun.

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Speaker 5: It's good.

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Speaker 4: Like on days when you're feeling sad. They don't know

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Speaker 4: what's going on, but just a hug from them makes

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Speaker 2: Justin was providing for his family and involved with all

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Speaker 2: four kids. He took Tyler to hockey practice. He helped

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Speaker 2: michaeleb pay for school at penn State, and he was

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Speaker 2: the dad who got on the floor.

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Speaker 3: With the kids.

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Speaker 2: Stacy showed me some videos of Justin and the littles. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's hard not to smile when you hear the kids

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Speaker 2: squealing with delight. Tyler's friends enjoyed having Justin around, especially

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Speaker 4: FID friends over and we needed another person to fill

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Speaker 4: that was like his outside of work passion.

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Speaker 2: Stacy felt fulfilled as a doctor's wife and mother of

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Speaker 2: four in Pennsylvania. But like any couple, Stacy and Justin

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Speaker 2: had their issues. Physical intimacy was one of the areas

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Speaker 2: where they were not on the same page. Even while dating,

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Speaker 2: Stacy found Justin's lack of libido concerning.

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Speaker 6: problems performing. He just always explained it that, oh Med

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Speaker 6: and then it would turn into well, you know, I've

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Speaker 6: common from residents to have to use viagra or just

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Speaker 6: you know, he's just really stressed out, and here I

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Speaker 2: And some of the good Justin offered was his intrinsic

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Speaker 3: He was a natural. He spoke their language.

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Speaker 6: All of the kids that we ever have been around, niece's, nephew's, residents, kids,

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Speaker 6: everybody gravitated towards him because he was like a big kid.

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Speaker 6: For me, it warmed my heart because I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: But sometimes Justin took it too far and Stacy had

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Speaker 6: Like one time, you know, all the boys over at

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Speaker 6: made plato penises. Of course, for teenage boys, you know

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Speaker 2: But Stacy was never seeking perfection.

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Speaker 6: I always looked at it as that's justin. He was

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Speaker 2: The Rutherford House was a hub for guests, full parties

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Speaker 4: then out of nowhere. They had said their aunt texted

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Speaker 2: Tyler didn't really know what happened, but didn't dwell on

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Speaker 2: it either. Later on that night, another strange incident occurred.

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Speaker 2: They had an unexpected visit from Social Services.

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Speaker 6: There was a tip to DCFS that he had asked

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Speaker 6: two of Tyler's friends to do inappropriate things in the

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Speaker 2: a government agency that investigates the mistreatment and abuse of children.

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Speaker 6: And I'm like, that's not true. I was here all day, like,

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Speaker 6: well we're investigating this, and because Tyler is not Justin's

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Speaker 6: biological child, he has to leave the house.

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Speaker 2: Stacey had no idea what they were talking about but

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Speaker 2: it didn't matter. It was upsetting. Imagine Social Services knocking

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Speaker 2: of inappropriate, possibly criminal behavior. The Division of Children and

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Speaker 2: Family Services was investigating. Tyler would stay just down the

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Speaker 6: That social worker came back to the house and said,

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Speaker 6: he seems safe. We think he's fine to come home.

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Speaker 6: You know, she said, sometimes in situations like this, where

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Speaker 2: Justin agreed, telling Stacy it had to be a money grab.

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Speaker 2: So Stacy was relieved when Social Services told them they

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Speaker 6: We were just like ecstatic, like, oh my gosh, our

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Speaker 2: And for a little while they resumed their everyday routine.

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Speaker 2: But then Stacy saw something that made her realize they

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Speaker 6: I'm downstairs with the little ones and Justin had been

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Speaker 6: I tell you that it was like a movie, I

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Speaker 6: mean it was like a movie. He was encrypting his computer,

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Speaker 6: like the stuff coming down the screen.

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Speaker 2: I imagine it looked like this from the Matrix when

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Speaker 6: And I stood there and he turned around and he said, oh, great, great,

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Speaker 6: And I said what are you doing? And he said, listen,

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Speaker 6: this and that, I'm encrypting my computer. Stacy and I

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Speaker 6: know what you think.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: We kept saying I know what you think, and I'm like,

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Speaker 6: you're damn right, I know what I think. From that

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Speaker 2: Stacy felt something in her gut, and it changed the

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Speaker 2: way she viewed her husband from.

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Speaker 3: That day on.

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Speaker 4: We had family time every night before bet you know

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Speaker 4: we still had those after all that. But it wasn't

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Speaker 4: the normal happy family night. It was mom sits on

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Speaker 4: Justin tries to play it cool and act normal. But

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Speaker 4: you can still tell something's not right. She wouldn't sit

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Speaker 2: Stacy performed the role of wife and mother, acting out

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Speaker 2: the parts well enough to keep her household from collapsing,

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Speaker 2: but in her head, she was preparing for the worst

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Speaker 6: With my first divorce, I felt helpless because I wasn't working.

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Speaker 6: I had just quit my job and he was letting

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Speaker 2: So she made sure she could always work and make

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Speaker 6: So I think with Justin, I just was like, m

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Speaker 6: I'm good, Like, I'll stay working.

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Speaker 2: As much as she loved Justin and her life in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 6: I want to say it was like a divine thing,

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Speaker 6: but I always just had this feeling at any moment,

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Speaker 2: And sure enough, a few weeks later, the other shoe

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Speaker 6: I get home and I pull in and there's all

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Speaker 6: these vans and SUVs just flood my driveway and I

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Speaker 6: like you know, Mam, calm down, come downstairs with me

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Speaker 6: and laid out on our couch was a device torn apart,

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Speaker 2: Stacy had suspicions about her husband, but was not expecting

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Speaker 2: a police raid. Now she was standing in her home

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Speaker 2: watching a scene right out of the crime shows she.

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Speaker 3: Watched on television.

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Mike Fick, a detective with the Burkes County District

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Speaker 1: Amity Township Police Department received information that juveniles in a

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Speaker 1: home of Justin Rutherford saw something in a bathroom that

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Speaker 1: they didn't know what it was.

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Speaker 1: Juveniles took a picture of it and sent it to

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Speaker 1: his mother. The mother researched it and found that it

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Speaker 1: was a camera. Juveniles removed it with the SIM card and.

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Speaker 2: Took it home. The Rutherford family lived in Amity Township.

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Vic explained how it got to the county.

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Speaker 1: Amity asked us if we would take the case because

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Speaker 1: we have more knowledge and experience in this field. The

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Speaker 1: good news is the evidence was secured. We wanted to

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Speaker 1: have our forensic Services unit withdraw the information on the

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Speaker 1: SIM card and see exactly what was recorded on that device.

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Speaker 2: The police had investigating the secret camera since Social Services

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Speaker 2: first came into their home three weeks prior. Investigators found

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Speaker 2: images of several children and a handful of adults using

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Speaker 1: A lot of the boys will go in and of

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Speaker 1: course when they stand to yearinate, he would capture that

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Speaker 1: his step daughter. I believe our boyfriend those people were captured,

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Speaker 1: but realistically we didn't know who placed it there.

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Speaker 2: It was concerning enough to warrant further investigation.

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Speaker 1: We executed a search warrant at the house and at

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Speaker 2: And just then Tyler came home from work.

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Speaker 2: While Stacey felt something was off, she wasn't expecting the

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Speaker 6: I remember crying and just I kept saying, oh my God, Like,

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Speaker 6: I cried. He kept saying, good moms, good moms, Stacy.

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Speaker 6: He said, the whole time we investigated you, we were

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Speaker 4: I finally got to go take my shower as they

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Speaker 4: We had everything we ever dreamed of growing up. We

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Speaker 6: After the raid happened, they told me Social Service, we'll

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Speaker 2: Detectives took the family's electronic devices and left. This was

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Speaker 6: At that point, he was standing in the kitchen and

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Speaker 2: Justin was maintaining his innocence. He started naming all of

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Speaker 6: I was like, m you gotta go. I said, it's

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Speaker 6: So that he ended up going and staying with one

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Speaker 2: Stacy and the kids needed family and friends who were

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Speaker 2: Once this story about Justin got back to his employer,

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Speaker 3: It would all be over.

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Speaker 6: The day after the raid, we were putting the house

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Speaker 2: Justin was adamant that he was innocent, but Stacy no

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Speaker 6: I called my sister and I said, this is what's

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Speaker 2: Heathern was concerned about Tyler. He was in high school

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Speaker 2: He's not taking over an answer. Tyler loved his ant

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Speaker 4: I'd gotten a text from my mom, Hey, when you

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Speaker 4: You're going to live with your aunt. Heather like, Bam,

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Speaker 4: it's really getting real. Woke up that next morning, my

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Speaker 4: This was the same friend I'd stayed at after Social

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Speaker 4: We hugged, which was not like us. You know, teenage

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Speaker 2: We've all seen those stories when a person with men

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Speaker 2: Usually it's those closest. Justin had lost his family, had

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Speaker 2: What then, Stacy's mind went to worst case scenarios.

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Speaker 6: I slept with a loaded gun next to me for

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Speaker 2: As heartbreaking as it was, Stacy moved quickly and put

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Speaker 3: I do. It didn't take long.

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Speaker 2: For prospective buyers to start looking at Stacy's home.

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Speaker 6: We were there at the house and they said the

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Speaker 6: I just remember looking at him and I said, you know,

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Speaker 6: I said, You're just you're really gonna love it here.

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Speaker 2: Her loss was there again, even in that moment, she

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Speaker 2: matter of time before she'd hear what happened. Stacey wanted

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Speaker 5: She looks me dead in the face and says, Daddy

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Speaker 5: And I was like what, And Mom, who hasn't said anything,

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Speaker 5: explained everything. You know that they raided the house. They

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Speaker 2: Mikhayla thought there had to be some kind of mistake.

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Speaker 5: Justin immediately, I was kind of like, are we sure?

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Speaker 5: You know people put nanny cams all the time? Was

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Speaker 2: The stress of everything that was going on seemed to

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Speaker 2: Justin kept working. He still hadn't been charged with a crime.

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Speaker 2: Raid was spreading through their circle of friends and community.

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Speaker 5: He was at the house all the time when I

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Speaker 5: We've had difficult conversations in the past about anxiety and depression.

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Speaker 5: He disclosed to me that Justin had sexually abused him.

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Speaker 5: I pulled over on the side of the road. I'm

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Speaker 5: It was hard, you know, when you love somebody so much.

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Speaker 5: There's that little part that's like, what the heck is

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Speaker 5: going on? There's no way that he could have done this,

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Speaker 5: And then the bigger part of me is like it

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Speaker 5: doesn't matter, Like this kid just told you that he

444
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Speaker 5: was abused. You take that seriously.

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Speaker 6: It's real.

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Speaker 2: Mikayla didn't go to work that day. Instead, she turned

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Speaker 2: around and drove herself straight to the police precinct to

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Speaker 2: report the text.

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Speaker 5: On my way there, I had called my mom. I

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Speaker 5: asked her who the detectives were, and I think she

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Speaker 5: knew something was wrong. So I'm like, okay, I wasn't

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Speaker 5: gonna tell you.

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Speaker 6: You're at work.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to drive, I'm trying to still process it.

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Speaker 3: But this is what happened.

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Speaker 2: Mikayla met with the detective at the police station to

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Speaker 2: share the text.

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Speaker 3: It was evidence.

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Speaker 5: I gave them my phone and they made copies or screenshots.

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Speaker 2: These were serious allegations and now it was in the

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Speaker 2: detective's hands. She was a wreck and concern for the

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Speaker 2: victim that there wasn't much more for Mikayla to do,

463
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Speaker 2: or at least she thought. Detectives eventually pivoted and asked

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Speaker 2: her for help with the hitting camera case they were

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Speaker 2: building against Justin, and then they.

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Speaker 5: Were like, we're gonna show you a bunch of pictures.

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Speaker 5: We need you to identify the individuals, and the pictures.

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Speaker 2: They were screen grabs the forensic team had pulled from

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Speaker 2: the hitting camera.

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Speaker 5: And then they whip out this huge finder and they

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Speaker 5: just start flipping through it and it's like my brother's friends,

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Speaker 5: family members, all these people sitting on the toilet, brushing

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Speaker 5: their tea, using the shower. It was literally anything you

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Speaker 5: can think of.

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Speaker 2: No one ever noticed the camera because it was disguised

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Speaker 2: as an everyday household item.

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Speaker 5: It was like a cube and it charged your phone,

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Speaker 5: so it worked just like a phone block, but it

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Speaker 5: had a camera inside of it.

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Speaker 2: Mikhaela was still processing the abuse allegations and this new responsibility.

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Speaker 2: While it was awkward and just plain awful sitting there

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Speaker 2: identifying people hundreds of photos laid out in binders, Detectives

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Speaker 2: did their best to make her comfortable. Seeing your friends

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Speaker 2: and family getting in and out of the shower, they're naked.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine it couldn't cover them up at least?

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Speaker 2: And when she thought it couldn't get any worse.

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Speaker 5: It whipped out another binder and it was me. So

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Speaker 5: I dye my hair a lot, and I had to

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Speaker 5: identify myself in every different hairstyle, every different hair color.

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Speaker 5: And then they let me know that some of these

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Speaker 5: pictures were actually like they had clipped it from a video,

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Speaker 5: and the one picture was actually Tommy and I in

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Speaker 5: the bathroom together doing like sexual acts. I said, how

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Speaker 5: many people have seen this video? And he told me

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Speaker 5: all of the forensic team, all of the detectives on

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Speaker 5: the case, and I was like as white as a ghost.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to throw up.

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Speaker 2: And who could blame her? Detectives went to interview the

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Speaker 2: boy who said he was abused by Justin. Here's Sergeant

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Speaker 2: Fick again.

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Speaker 1: I personally did a forensic interview and interviewed him and

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Speaker 1: he disclosed being sexually abused by Justin.

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Speaker 2: Still, there were no charges, but Stacy wanted to get

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Speaker 2: away from the house.

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Speaker 3: She reached a breaking point.

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Speaker 6: I took the kids immediately and left the house with

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Speaker 6: nothing and went to Michaela's because her building was secure.

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Speaker 6: If you had to have a key to get in

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Speaker 6: the front, you had to have a key to get

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Speaker 6: on the elevator, and that key had to match the

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Speaker 6: floor that you lived on too.

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Speaker 2: Stacy shared the terrible development with her sister, Heather, and

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Speaker 2: Heather told Tyler at least her son was safe with

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Speaker 2: Heather and Virginia. For Stacy, Heather, and Mikayla, there was

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Speaker 2: a question that permeated all of their thoughts. If Justin

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Speaker 2: sexually assaulted Tyler's friend, was it possible that he prayed

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Speaker 2: on Tyler as well. Mikayla couldn't stop thinking about that

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Speaker 2: text and her younger brother.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, as soon as I opened the message from him,

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Speaker 5: I could feel it in my gut that he wasn't

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Speaker 5: the only one.

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Speaker 2: Stacy checked in with Tyler often. She asked him multiple

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Speaker 2: times if he was okay. She asked him after social

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Speaker 2: services came. She asked him again after the raid and

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Speaker 2: thought it was agonizing to raise it with him again.

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Speaker 2: She even asked her son after the sexual assault victim

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Speaker 2: came forward. He always reassured her, But there was so

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Speaker 2: much she didn't know, so much that happened right in

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Speaker 2: front of her. But she remembered what social services told her.

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Speaker 6: We've interviewed Tyler. He loves his stepdad. If he's happy here,

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Speaker 6: he seems safe.

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Speaker 2: Everything was different now nobody had been safe. Heather thought

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Speaker 2: she had the best chance of approaching Tyler. He was

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Speaker 2: staying in her house.

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Speaker 6: Heather was very proactive about something happened to Tyler. If

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Speaker 6: he did it to another boy, I just know it.

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Speaker 6: So she started immediately asking questions.

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Speaker 2: Her sister sought advice from a friend who was a

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Speaker 2: social worker. Here's Heather. She's like, you can't push him,

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Speaker 2: you can't pull it out of him. You just need

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Speaker 2: to continue to let him know that you're there.

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Speaker 6: If he wants to check, you know you're there. They

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Speaker 6: would talk about it and then she'd let it go.

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Speaker 2: While Stacey was agonizing over what may have happened to Tyler,

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Speaker 2: she noticed that Justin was making some unusual financial transactions.

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Speaker 2: She reached out a detective Weaver, who she had met

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Speaker 2: the knight of the raid.

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Speaker 6: I remember texting Weaver in them saying he's gonna run.

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00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 6: I feel it. He's drawn out money. Oh, we got

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Speaker 6: eyes on him. We're good work.

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Speaker 2: Good. Detectives were not in a hurry to arrest Justin.

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Speaker 2: They were more interested in building a strong case than

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Speaker 2: a fast one. Remember, Stacy had caught him encrypting his computer,

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Speaker 2: so the only evidence they had in their case against

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Speaker 2: Justin at this point was the simcard from the camera

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Speaker 2: in the bathroom. But the victim coming forward, you may

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Speaker 2: be thinking there had to be an arrest warrant soon. Well,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily. Detectives were trying to corroborate the victim's story.

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Speaker 2: Law enforcement wouldn't just make an arrest without sufficient evidence.

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Speaker 2: They would need more.

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Speaker 6: When it was just the camera charges, Detective Weaver had

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Speaker 6: said to me, this was a misdemeanor act, and that

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Speaker 6: with him having a clear history and no arrests or

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00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 6: any violence or anything like that, that they would look

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00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 6: at that, and they would look at kind of who

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Speaker 6: he was in society, and that more than likely he

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Speaker 6: would just get probation out of it, and it was

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Speaker 6: gross to me to think that you could walk away

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Speaker 6: with a misdemeanor and just have probation for looking at

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Speaker 6: naked children.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that was Justin's purpose for hiding the camera in

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Speaker 2: the bathroom, but the simcard contained images of children and adults.

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Speaker 2: A defense attorney could argue that it wasn't meant for

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Speaker 2: just kids. It was no slam dunk for a prosecutor.

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Speaker 6: It was scary because I thought he's going to get

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Speaker 6: a misdemeanor. I mean, people get misdemeanors for stupid stuff

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00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 6: and still are able to see their kids. Thought was,

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Speaker 6: he's still gonna have access to our children. I knew

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Speaker 6: I was leaving. I knew I was divorcing him, like

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Speaker 6: there was no question, but to think that I would

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Speaker 6: have had to possibly drive my children to his home

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Speaker 6: and drop them off was just nauseating to me.

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Speaker 2: Heather was on the receiving end of Stacy's anguish.

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Speaker 7: My sister had just called me and she's crying and

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Speaker 7: she's like this is crazy, Like how are they gonna

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Speaker 7: let him go?

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Speaker 6: And I'm like I know, oh, you know, God's got this.

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Speaker 6: We're going to figure this out.

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Speaker 2: I do not believe in my heart of hearts, this

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Speaker 2: man is going to walk free.

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Speaker 6: And Tyler's listening to this.

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Speaker 7: And I got off the phone and he was helping

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Speaker 7: me full laundry, and I said, man, buddy, I said.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: We gotta do some serious pray. And he's like, why,

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Speaker 6: what's up.

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Speaker 7: I said, they're talking about only charging Justin with the

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Speaker 7: cameras and he goes, well, what does that mean? And

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Speaker 7: I said, well, that probably means your little brother will

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Speaker 7: have visitation with his father.

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Speaker 2: In due time.

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Speaker 6: And he just looked at me.

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Speaker 7: With look I will never forget, and his eyes welled

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Speaker 7: up with tears. And Tyler says, he'll never see the

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Speaker 7: outside of a prison when I tell them what I do.

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Speaker 2: He had heard enough, the thought of Justin being alone

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Speaker 2: with his little brother, the idea that he could have visitation.

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Speaker 2: That was the tipping point. Tyler was ready to talk.

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of Betrayal.

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Speaker 4: You know, they were at work making the money, doing

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Speaker 4: their jobs, and I was doing my job, keeping my

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Speaker 4: mouth shut to keep the family.

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Speaker 2: Together, and Justin makes a run for it.

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Speaker 6: I go to the house and his side of the

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Speaker 6: closet is gone. All of his stuff was gone. I

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Speaker 6: was like, oh shit, he's on the run.

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