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Watch 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:56.520 it today. It's Quicker Tar Glories. So it's almost time, 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.960 but we're expecting about another three people to show up. Um, yeah, 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.000 so we might hold off for an extra minute or two. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:08.800 There you go. There they are. Yeah. You guys know 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.080 Robin from the Trail went Cold Say hi everybody. Yeah, 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.560 we'll set the term my mic on did they whatever 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:21.640 I said? I'm sorry, it says here in the script 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:28.120 witty banter. Okay, it does it actually does it does? Yeah, 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:34.839 it says intro ourselves period, wint Witty Badger period. Yeah 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.920 like cold Oh okay, yeah, I don't know. All right, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.600 for those of you who weren't here a few minutes ago, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.160 I'm gonna show off one more time. I know, I 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.560 know it looks like a UFO, but it's actually look 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:55.800 into a sombrero. Yeah I know. Uh. Actually, all I 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.040 had to do was tell her my sad story and 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.160 she gave it to me. Wen't that's eat you know? Yeah, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:02.720 she was going to charge me, but she just gave 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.520 it to me. So this is the point where you 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.560 turn your ring tones off. Yeah, yeah, that would be good, 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:14.880 thank you. That was planned. Okay, it's three thirty crap? 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.320 Should do this? Or should we just go to the bar? 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:24.919 I mean, I guess we said we'd do it. First off, 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:31.040 How are y'all doing? Uh? Having fun at Triumphon? Yeah? 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.560 And I'm sorry. We got those recording thing situated, I believe, 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:40.080 so it's all figured out theoretically, all right, this could 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:44.600 be the last episode, let's hope not already was. By 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.320 the way, excuse my voice it cuts out a little 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.440 bit because I was at Fuse last night and the 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.680 decibel level was like about three hundred in there, and 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.480 so I had to be screaming at people when I 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.720 was talking to them, and I think I kind of 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.720 damaged my local courts a little bit. So he was 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.920 actually just screaming at people. It had nothing to do 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:07.440 with the music. Screaming at you. But yeah, okay, well 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.400 I guess it's my job to get this thing started. Okay, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.720 all right, So you guys know maybe from last year, 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.840 maybe from listening to us that we're recording this, so sorry, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:27.400 um so hello and welcome to Crime. We are thinking 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.600 sideways the podcast, and we're gonna do a show for 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.720 you tonight. We have a mystery. Um but first, I'm Devin, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:45.240 I'm Joe, and I'm Steve's perfect. It sounds like there's 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.640 like twelve times they get people in here, so let's 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.280 do that again. And I'm going to run through the 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.920 crowd with the micro let. We're not doing that. We're 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.880 not doing that. I'm sorry. What are you going to 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:05.240 talk about tonight? Let's see Golden Killer? Yeah, DNA or something, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.800 you know, I don't know. I don't know about this 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.600 DNA stuff. You know. I was reading this article that 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.200 we share like of our DNA with frogs so it's 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:18.479 like a frog, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so I'm 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.559 not totally convinced about that one yet. Okay, well, scratch 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.960 up another one. Yeah we did maybe an ax murder. Yeah, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.120 and how much cool about this one? Has just happened 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.520 really close to where we're sitting right now. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.719 let's get started right so good, all right, We're going 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.200 to talk about the axe murder of the aid family 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:41.520 in March twenty four of eighteen nine seven. Our story 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.800 takes place here in Tennessee. As we just mentioned, at 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.480 the time, the area was called Germantown because, as you 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.080 might have guessed, there are a lot of German immigrants 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.040 that lived there. The Aids were also German immigrants, and 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.159 they had been living in the area for about twenty 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.679 years at the time that our story takes place. Well, 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.400 I mean, Jacob and a line had I should introduce 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.720 you to the family, Jacob and Pauline. Jacob was the 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.360 patriarch of the family. He was sixty years old at 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.119 the time. His wife, Pauline was fifty years old. Also 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:15.480 involved were two children, uh daughter named Lizzie who was 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.400 twenty and a son named Henry who was thirteen. Worth 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.599 mentioning they weren't just like super old parents um for 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.440 the times. For the time. They also had three adult children, 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.200 but they had moved out by then. Lucky them. And 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:34.000 that's what we called by forest shadowing. H Jacob and 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.680 Pauline owned quite a large farm in what was then 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.760 called Paradise Ridge but is now called Joel Town, which 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.200 I believe is like sixteen miles from where we are here. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.280 I don't know if there are any right, are you 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:51.320 guys from? Is anybody from Tennessee there? You? Yeah? So 0:05:51.360 --> 0:06:00.559 the people that were not all right, they're farm it's said, 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.800 was at least four hundred acres, which is point six 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.159 square miles or one point six square kilometers, which is 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:11.760 not nothing. I guess I don't know acres, I'm sorry, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.120 as you do. With farms. Not only was there a farmhouse, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.320 but also lots of outbuildings like barns, et cetera, and 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.400 at least one smokehouse. But to be fair, the barn 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.479 is actually speculation because there are very little details about 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.479 this story other than the fact that there were five 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.920 rooms in the farmhouse and there was a smokehouse. That's 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.360 all we really know. But there had to be a 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.640 because you have to story your tools somewhere right right, 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:37.440 I probably tool ship. Yeah. Uh. Here's the thing with farming. 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.240 You probably know. It can be much more lucrative for 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.520 some people than others. And the Aids were considered very 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.480 wealthy by their peer farmers. It's unclear to me if 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.440 this is true or not. We've talked a lot about this. 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:49.880 The Aids might have just been very generous with their 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.159 money because they Jacob would loan money to any farmers 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.359 in the area that maybe needed some. But he was 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.760 also pretty litigious, which is the correct use of that 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.719 word this time, thank you reporting is that just days 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.400 before the thing that you're about to learn at about, 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.240 Jacob had been in court because somebody had stolen one 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.240 of his hogs and he was suing them. That's not cool, Okay. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.120 So we have the a family. We have Jacob, Pauline, Lizzie, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.840 and Henry. Also involved in what you're about to learn 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.600 out is Rosa, who was a ten year old neighbor 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.280 who was sleeping over um and we her dad lived 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.600 in the area, but we're no it's unclear why she 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.080 was sleeping at the house at the time. Her last 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.560 name is reported differently every single place you read it, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:40.160 So it could be Morrier more Tier, Murrier Morier ear 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:45.360 or like Moriarty or something that last one that's not true. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.680 Yeah yeah, Joe, Okay, my turn. So now Dev has 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.520 done the hard work of introducing all of our characters, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:57.320 like crime. Uh all, by the way, the Aids family, 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.440 because you're wondering the Aig family A D E not 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.800 a I D just in case you're curious. I keep 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.920 wanting to call him like live cool band. You know 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.800 I mean that now, So it's a D. So none 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.720 of that applies. So the crime. So nobody actually saw 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.760 the crime except for the guy who committed it, of course. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.200 But around nine thirty that night it was dark, of 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.480 course it was with March and Tennessee. Their closest neighbor 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.640 was about half mile away and saw flames coming from 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.960 their home, and so rode over on his horse to 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:31.240 check it out. This guy's name was Justice Simpson the West. 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.520 Some accounts his name was Squire Simpson. I think it 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.920 was Justice the keeping simple. We're gonna call him Justin 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:44.080 as always, Yeah, yeah, as always. Uh so just Justin 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.600 got there. The whole house was already up in flames, 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.000 and he didn't see the family anywhere. So all I 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.080 could think of do was go to the smokehouse and 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.280 pull all the meat out of the smokehouse. And that's 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.280 what he said afterwards, you know, I'm like, He's like, oh, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.240 you know, the meat was gonna be destroyed, so I 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.920 thought I would save the meat. I think he was 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.760 is trying to get some free meat. I think that's yeah, 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.680 the family's going up in flames, I'm gonna grab some 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.400 free st We don't know, that's less give him the 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.600 benefit of the Yeah, So he starts pulling meat out 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.640 of the smoke causse while yelling for the family. He 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.480 was thinking that maybe they were already already up in flames, 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.080 or I'll say it escaped the house and they were, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.400 you know, lurking somewhere, maybe on the other side of 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.560 the house or something. He wasn't sure, but he was 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:28.760 he was moving the meat and uh yeah, and then uh. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.920 According to one version of this story, while while our 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.560 friend Justin was was there moving the meat out of 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:44.480 the smokes, you keep saying it that way. Yeah, very uncomfortable. Okay, Okay, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.000 let me think here, all right, I just won't talk 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:52.559 about that anymore. Uh Uh. So he was doing his 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:57.040 thing and apparently like an exterior an exterior wall of 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.679 the house falls down and just collapse is and he 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.240 was able to see inside the burning house, and so 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.800 and he saw what he saw the dead bodies in there. 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.240 Although to him they looked like just big bundles of clothing. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.280 He wasn't sure. So he did what any of us 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.080 would do when you're you know, like like face with 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.760 a huge burning house. You know, he went and got 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.280 a potato fork, which is like a pitchfork, but the 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.960 times have been bent, so yeah, yeah, and so he 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.120 grabs one of those and ties a long pole to 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.240 it and goes and starts poking at those those big bundles. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.560 I'm not sure I would do that, but he yeah, 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.480 I bet that's what he did, and uh pull folks 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.320 out of a bit and then kind of hooks him 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.120 and pulls him out of the house and turns out 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.240 there were corpses. Yeah, I know, the dead bodies, not 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.160 just dead bodies, but headless bodies. Right now, I know that. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.520 I know. That makes it even better, doesn't it. Uh So? 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.280 Uh where am I at here? And the ruining Steve's 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.520 part is what you're doing. Sorry, I'm stopping all over 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.640 his stuff, but I don't I don't know. I'm not 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:56.440 so sure about this because unless the guy was like 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.480 a terminator from the future, how do you do this? 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.360 Because house fires are like what like nine hundred degrees right, 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.160 you know. So I'm wondering if perhaps because it turns 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.200 out a rain storm kicked up that night kind of 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.199 doused the flames a bit, so it might be that 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.120 Justin Way didn't tell after things that kind of died 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:14.880 down a little bit before he started poking around and 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:16.920 they're pulling bodies out of the wreckage of the house. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.640 That's the less heroic version, that is. Yeah, I would 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.760 call it the less heroic version. Yeah, but whatever he did, 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.880 I mean, you know, long story short, they did find 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.400 fourheadless bodies, although some reports say too, I like four 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:36.240 better myself, just like literally all of this is Steve. Yeah, Well, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.920 this is a problem is I. I sort of stare 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.880 at the script, but I'm not really seeing it. I'm 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:45.840 just like going off memory. So I'm going to turn 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:47.360 it over to Steve. It though he doesn't have anything 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:53.280 to talk about alright, theories getting ahead, so obviously no 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.520 matter whether it was two bodies or it was four bodies. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.520 Justin is freaked out. So he runs away and he 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.120 goes and he gets a neighbor and says, hey, I 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.200 found these dead bodies. What do we do? They then 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.720 go and get Rosa's dad, who I'm he must have 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.000 been just a couple of miles away, and then they 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.520 all go back to the property and mill about. I 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.240 don't know what they were doing while they were waiting there. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:23.520 Eventually the sheriff would show up and he would start 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.480 looking around. When they pulled the bodies out, they noticed 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.720 that it was the Aid family, only the ones that 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.200 Justin pulled out. But when the sheriff starts looking around, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.720 he finds Rosa's body, and she's a little bit different 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.880 than the other because she's not as burned as badly 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.880 as everybody else. As heads right, she is missing some 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.440 she is missing a hand, and it appears that she's 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.320 missing the back of her head as if somebody took 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.000 a swing at her and didn't get the whole thing. Yeah, 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.800 which is not exactly the nicest thing in the world. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.200 And the question that I always ask on the times 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:05.880 that we've rehearsed this and it's well before is always 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.160 why why would her body be less burned than all 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.800 the other ones, and so there's a lot of ideas 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.880 of why that might be. The general theory is that 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.920 she must have tried to get away, and maybe she 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.560 was caught outside of the house and then once the 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.080 killer had killed her, tossed her back into the building 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.720 with the intention of her burning up with everybody else. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:31.760 But she was in an area of the house that 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.600 maybe didn't burn as much, and therefore she was spared 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.400 the flames. But it's you know, it's hard to say because, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.120 as Devin said, there's weird reporting on this story and 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.360 it changes all over the place. There are places that 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.400 said that she did have her hand. There's also places 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.120 that say that her body was found in a crouching position, which, 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.400 when we talked about it, yeah, with her hands over 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.200 her head kind of herself, like for a dead body 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.240 to be just like crouching, I think it'd fall over. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.160 And the only thing that we can come up with 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.520 is maybe she was in the corner of a room, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.640 which is even scarier when you think about it, because yeah, 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.960 I don't want to think about going that way. So 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.760 the original working theory was this. Someone must have come 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.400 to the house around eight o'clock that night. They killed 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.880 Jacob first and then chase the rest of the family 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.200 into the house and would corner them in the parlor 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.800 where they would be murdered. And it is believed that 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.320 it is at this point while the Aid family was 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.520 being killed in the parlor, if Rosa had tried to 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.720 get away, that's when she would have done it. There 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.240 was speculation that she had tried to go out a window, 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.360 which since most of the house was burned down. I 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.560 don't don't know why where they came up with that. Yeah, 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.960 that that part doesn't make a lot of sense, But 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.280 as with all of the reporting, a lot of things 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:58.920 don't make sense. Pause for a drink, Pose for a drink, 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:00.880 I get dry mouth. If you ever notice it's a 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:06.440 bad thing, don't do it. See where the heck were we? Oh? Okay? Yeah, 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.120 So we talked about the fact that the house had 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.680 partially burned and then the fire head when put out. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.640 Of course, when they get those bodies, the heads are missing, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.520 and people have said, well, where could the heads have gone? 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.720 It's likely that they did not burn up in the fire, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.160 because if the bodies didn't burn up. Heads are very moist, 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.120 they're not going to burn up very easy. They don't 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.480 explode in flames like that. So no, no, this is 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.800 not the zombie movie, so that does not happen. Um. 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.560 And so it's thought at this point that our killer 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.760 must have packed away these two or full or full 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.560 intact heads, which it's kind of gotta be a lot 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.920 of weight to carry. How much does it? It's ten 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:54.960 pounds that stuff Actually, funny story. Googled it, um. And 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.960 actually when I googled it, I was doing something else, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.480 and so I accidentally googled how much as a human 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:06.440 head cost? And you can there is a price, it 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:11.720 turns out, or full size, full size, and that's for 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:18.080 like the whole transplant. I couldn't find what it just 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:25.240 it's probably um. So okay, So back to the investigation. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.960 So really there are no clues as to what happened 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:34.160 to the family. Authorities would search around. They would arrest 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.880 two black men who lived in Ashland City, which is 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:41.680 apparently ten miles away, but their confessions would be found 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.680 to not be exactly right, and probably we're coerced, and 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.640 we'll talk about that in a little bit. In theories, um. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.320 Then two other men that were local men were charged 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.360 with the crime. They were sent to trial. They were 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.560 acquitted because there's no evidence, so they really there was 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.080 nothing who convict them with. So you know, we've kind 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:07.240 of got a perfect crime here because well, wait, there 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.560 is one witness, so we've been holding back on you. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:16.720 There is one single witness. It was the family's German shepherd. Yes, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.000 I believe it or not, they had a dog. The 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.040 dog saw it all, told the sheriff what had happened. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:31.639 The sheriff used the dog as his secret witness. I don't, 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.440 I don't. It's the late eighteen nineties. I guess it 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:39.720 was the wild West of investigations. My my best guess 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.080 here is that his plan was to take the dog 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.080 all around town and whoever the dog barked out must 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:51.320 have been guilty of people got executed because it turns 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:56.320 out that dog was a barker. So yeah, that's that's 0:17:56.320 --> 0:18:00.080 the really weird part about the story. So really, no 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.199 no witnesses, perfect crime. Yeah. The reason I think we 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.000 missed this one of the reasons that most of the 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.520 evidence was gone because of that rainstorm. It washed away 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.960 most of the blood evidence. There were no footprints anything 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.679 like that because it was a really heavy rainstormire right, 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.680 help anything? Yeah, so it was kind of perfect. Actually 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.800 it turned out not bad crime. Yeah, alright, well I'll 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.160 have to say perfect crime. But you know, okay, okay, 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.919 it's time for theories. But first let's take a break. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.399 A bomb this is an explosive weapon that uses the 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:40.160 exothermic reaction of an explosive material to provide an extremely 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.760 sudden and violent release of energy. 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As we've established before, the Aid family 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.959 was well off, or at least generous to the folks 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.360 that lived in the area, and it was not an 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.080 unknown fact that they actually kept a lot of money 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.399 in the house. Turns out that they were known to 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:35.200 catch several hundred dollars at any one time in their home. 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.200 If you look at what a hundred dollars is worth 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.200 in the late eighteen nineties to today, it's somewhere in 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:46.159 the range of about so you're looking at five grand, 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.440 ten grand. It's kind of that's not I don't think 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.360 that's enough money for me to want to murder somebody, especially. 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.720 People have different standards though, but yeah, it wouldn't quite 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.880 met my standard form brochering an entire family, But just 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:06.440 just so I'm warned, Yeah, it's kind of a moving targets. 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.200 Oh boy um Okay. So there were the two gentlemen 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:16.400 from Ashland City that were originally brought in for the crime, 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:21.399 and they had confessed. The reason that their confessions didn't 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:23.879 or that they didn't get charged with these crimes is 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:27.720 their confession was that they robbed. They went in and 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.440 they did this whole thing so that they could rob 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.520 the family and get all the money they had. That 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:36.440 fell apart because when they started digging through the remains 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:41.000 of the home they found the money. Turns out that 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.320 they had a roll of a hundred dollars in a 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.000 tin um joe. You what what was it? Uh? What 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.400 kind of I heard it was an oyster can. Uh, 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:54.600 so they stuck a roll a part of me like 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.800 a normal was an oyster can. They just stuffed a 0:21:57.880 --> 0:21:59.440 roll and an oyster can and like put it in 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.159 the pantry or something. Although you know that. The thing 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.679 about it is is the original suspects maybe did do 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:08.439 it because they find a stash of semi burned bills 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.080 and say, well, they said they found the money. Obviously 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.840 they didn't. What if they did find some money, they 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.919 just didn't find this particular bit of money, which makes sense. 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.040 It's it's don't put all your eggs in one basket, 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.800 so you have multiple things around the house with money 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.480 in it. They could have, if Joe's right, found some 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:31.520 found some money and said we've struck gold. Let's like 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.680 this place up and let's get the hell out of here, 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.520 when in fact they didn't get at all. I just 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:38.480 the reason that I have a hard time with this 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.960 theory is like the beheading aspect, right, I mean, it's 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.000 a lot of work, well a lot of work, but 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.520 it's just it is, but like why you know, you 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.040 could just stab some people and to get off with 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.359 the money and not have to you know, And I 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.920 mean cud of kids has off seems like really extreme. Uh, 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.600 and then you know one of them was I don't know, 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:01.879 I just it doesn't really all fit together for me. 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.240 Well you know actually that I thought about it too, 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.120 and and it's it's uh, for a robbery, it seems 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:08.880 a little extreme. But on the other hand, if you're 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.119 robbing them and you want to cover that up that 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.560 it was it was for robbery, it chops some heads off, 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.280 and everybody thinks while psycho killer, they're not going to 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.920 think about robbery so much. So maybe that's that's kind 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:21.840 of my thinking on that it's to cover up the 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.720