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Speaker 1: And Hey, it's Tuesday here on the show. And you
Speaker 1: know that means we got a lot to talk about
Speaker 1: here today land Storm's going to be joining us. We
Speaker 1: can talk about all of the latest news, including the
Speaker 1: return of Brock Lesner actually was not on Raw, nor
Speaker 1: was the advertised for any future events, although there's a
Speaker 1: decent chance he could show up on Friday because the
Speaker 1: announced that John Cena is gonna be there, and I
Speaker 1: think John Cena, I mean, I guess it could always
Speaker 1: renegotiate and that sort of thing. But it is August
Speaker 1: fifth and September, October, November. He's got he's got four
Speaker 1: months left and twelve dates, so like, there ain't that
Speaker 1: many left. So he's gonna be on SmackDown Friday, there'll
Speaker 1: be on be eleven left after that, and so, uh,
Speaker 1: I guess you know, if he's gonna be there, you
Speaker 1: kind of got to do something most of the time.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll talk about that. And we got news
Speaker 1: as well on the g One moving away from brock
Speaker 1: Lessner for a while. We got updates on the g One.
Speaker 1: Hulk Cogan, of course, he passed away, and his daughter
Speaker 1: Brooke was on the Bubba the Love Spunge show actually
Speaker 1: talking about the split between her and Hulk. They've been
Speaker 1: estranged for several years actually, and she talked about why
Speaker 1: Red Hart did not have nice things to say about
Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan. We'll tell you about that. And of course
Speaker 1: the Raw After Summer Slam report, and that is now
Speaker 1: how it is being branded. It is Raw after Summer Slam,
Speaker 1: very much like the Raw After WrestleMania, which is a
Speaker 1: smart idea and a lot of championship matches and more
Speaker 1: and terrible finishes. But anyway, a lot to get into
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: I got the show, Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Lance Storm is joining us here today and we got
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. Haven't talked to Lance in
Speaker 1: a while. When were you on the show last fun Friday? Yes,
Speaker 1: call Lee. That was years ago. It seems that my lord, Well,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the return of Brock Lesner.
Speaker 6: Well, I think everyone's looking at it from the wrong perspective.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's about Brock. I think it's about
Speaker 6: the working environment of women within WWE and under Vince,
Speaker 6: there was a very unfavorable, bad pick your own word,
Speaker 6: work environment for women. Back to reader Chatterton to the
Speaker 6: objectivity of women with bron pennies, matches and thonathons and puppies, puppies, puppies,
Speaker 6: the very handsy makeout sessions that women had to do
Speaker 6: with Vince McMahon. Take that forward to whatever necessitated Vince
Speaker 6: to offer multimillion dollar NDAs to women to stay silent.
Speaker 6: To what we learned about Janelle Grant. There was a
Speaker 6: women were, you know, drastically underpaid in that era. Too,
Speaker 6: and Vince was removed and Hunter has made things so
Speaker 6: much better. Women are making way more money, women are
Speaker 6: legitimate stars. Women aren't objectified like they used to be.
Speaker 6: Women can wear non revealing outfits and still be big stars.
Speaker 6: So to me, whether you bring Brock back or not,
Speaker 6: or anyone else back or not, to me, you need
Speaker 6: to ask your question, does this support your move to
Speaker 6: improve and make a respectful, safe environment for women in
Speaker 6: your company or does it detract from that and make
Speaker 6: it feel like you're going backwards? Because I think if
Speaker 6: you just look at each individual case, well, did this
Speaker 6: person do something that's really worth that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Was this one instance? It's not about the individual instances.
Speaker 6: It's about the overall message you send to women who
Speaker 6: work for you and in your company about the environment
Speaker 6: they are going to have to perform in. And I
Speaker 6: think you need to look at it from the women's
Speaker 6: standpoint and whether they would be in favor of something
Speaker 6: or not.
Speaker 1: Well, of course, and I don't think they would be,
Speaker 1: but no one's asking I would. I would? I mean,
Speaker 1: listen if you don't know, and I think I think
Speaker 1: everybody should have, even if you weren't told, probably figured
Speaker 1: this out. They didn't tell anybody who was going to
Speaker 1: be there on Sunday. It was it was the usual.
Speaker 1: They kept it top secret. They you know, they hid him.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody knew he was there. You know there,
Speaker 1: I will say this, nobody knew he was there, with
Speaker 1: the exception of like the people that had to know,
Speaker 1: so like John Cena and you know, Triple H and everybody.
Speaker 1: But there there were people Brock Brock travels with with
Speaker 1: people and uh and those people also had been around
Speaker 1: for like, you know, two years or whatever, and there
Speaker 1: were people Sunday that were like, oh, look who's here,
Speaker 1: and they pretty much figured it out. But I mean
Speaker 1: other than that, I mean, they didn't tell everybody. They
Speaker 1: didn't call it talent meeting. They didn't say, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we're thinking about bringing this guy back and he would
Speaker 1: have any nothing. It was like he's coming back. No
Speaker 1: one's got to say, that's it. And that's what they did. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else to add. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it. I don't how many times
Speaker 1: we have to say that. I think it was an incredibly,
Speaker 1: incredibly dumb idea. But you know, this is this is
Speaker 1: not a defense Okay, this is absolutely not a defense.
Speaker 1: But we are now on Tuesday, and like, I haven't
Speaker 1: heard anything. I've heard nothing about sponsors pulling out. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people upset on social media, but
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no revolt of any sort on Raw.
Speaker 1: You know, they showed the footage of him coming back
Speaker 1: and and people went crazy, and I mean.
Speaker 6: But again, what does this do to the morale?
Speaker 1: You're not wrong at all, dude, I'm not disagreeing with you.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.
Speaker 6: That is the perspective people need to look at.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure that, I'm sure the morale is bad,
Speaker 1: but like you know, yep, well can I say other
Speaker 1: than they don't care, which sucks?
Speaker 6: And they are not the only company. It's not just
Speaker 6: w B, it's not just the wrestling business. It's just
Speaker 6: bringing this person back, make us more money than it
Speaker 6: costs us. And that's generally the way things are looked
Speaker 6: at in this world.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know what's funny about that is is, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just let's just pretend, okay that we don't care
Speaker 1: about the Brock allegations. Okay, let's pretend we don't care.
Speaker 1: What is this really doing? I mean, buzz, I know,
Speaker 1: but like what money is it making? I mean, you
Speaker 1: think that John Cena headlining one of his last two
Speaker 1: or three pay per views is like it wasn't gonna draw,
Speaker 1: but now that Brock is back, it's gonna draw. You're
Speaker 1: not selling any pay per views, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at look at the RAW average for example this year.
Speaker 1: You know, whatever people want to say, you can say
Speaker 1: whatever you want about creative and the storylines or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're looking at how Raw is doing,
Speaker 1: it's doing better than it's been doing ever. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're averaging over eleven thousand. Okay last year when it
Speaker 1: was you know, everyone thought it was hotter in the
Speaker 1: year before. I mean it was it was nine thousand
Speaker 1: two years ago, ten thousand last year, eleven thousand this year.
Speaker 1: So what do we need Brock for?
Speaker 6: Well, you could play the booking card of John Cena
Speaker 6: in his let's say it'll be his final match. Who knows,
Speaker 6: maybe it will be. John Cena needs a really big
Speaker 6: match for his final sendoff. Do we want to take
Speaker 6: a big enough star from our full time regular roster
Speaker 6: to have John Cena beat to send the people home
Speaker 6: happy or do we use someone who we will not
Speaker 6: be using all that much that we can have a
Speaker 6: big match with John Cena. Let John Cena go over
Speaker 6: on someone who's not a regular attraction on our television
Speaker 6: and send him on his way, like it might be
Speaker 6: a booking decision.
Speaker 1: Well it could be, but you're you're also looking at
Speaker 1: this like we ain't gonna be seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: rock like this. They've been paying this guy an incredible
Speaker 1: amount of money for two years and they haven't used
Speaker 1: him when I don't know, but my my presumption is
Speaker 1: until it's up, like they're gonna get as much out
Speaker 1: of this guy as they possibly can. But it's a
Speaker 1: different like it's a different business now. It's like you're
Speaker 1: no one's getting paid on the gate, you're not selling
Speaker 1: pay per views, you're selling out with or without the guy.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't even see a business reason to
Speaker 1: bring him back. And by the way, I want to
Speaker 1: mention this because last night on the show, they had
Speaker 1: that weird segment where Michael Cole basically said earlier today,
Speaker 1: I spoke to Nick con and Triple H and I
Speaker 1: asked them about the return of brock Leser. So I
Speaker 1: thought Okay, well, we're actually gonna see this. I think
Speaker 1: he's been I think he's been mentioned, but we've never
Speaker 1: seen him. So I thought, oh my god, we're gonna
Speaker 1: interview with Nick Cohn about brock Lessner. Holy smokes. Well
Speaker 1: Cole then just goes and they tell me that was it, Like,
Speaker 1: there's no interview. The story is three weeks ago. We
Speaker 1: called him, we said it's time to come home, and
Speaker 1: he said okay, and then it was over. And I
Speaker 1: was like, what was the point of that? Were you disputing,
Speaker 1: like Dave's report that it was four weeks ago? I mean,
Speaker 1: you're already disputing the idea that, like, you know, it
Speaker 1: was John Cena's idea, which you guys said the night before.
Speaker 1: You know, what does this have to do with storyline?
Speaker 1: We called Brock and said it's time. Brock came back
Speaker 1: as a total heal and destroyed John Cena. And the
Speaker 1: storyline Monday is we told him it was time to
Speaker 1: come home and he said okay. I was like, I
Speaker 1: was flabbergasted when this thing was done. I was like,
Speaker 1: what in the world was the point of this? But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. On Sunday, you know, the story was
Speaker 1: well John Cena, he had a list of guys and
Speaker 1: we wanted to make that work. So like they threw
Speaker 1: Johnson under the bus, like it's all his idea. Like
Speaker 1: if johnsen would have said, you know, I'd like my
Speaker 1: last match with Landstorm, like they're gonna call you and
Speaker 1: they're gonna make it work. Because John Cena like, come on,
Speaker 1: no offense. But anyway, the point of this is.
Speaker 6: John Cena he wants to get his win back.
Speaker 1: And John Cena was asked about Lesner returning. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find out where it was at so I can
Speaker 1: plug it, but I can't find it. But it was
Speaker 1: it was Adam Adam's apple, Adam Glynn. He was asked like,
Speaker 1: what do you think about Listener coming back? And Johnsena's
Speaker 1: answer was, they deal them, I play them. So like
Speaker 1: Sunday it was like, it's John Cena's idea. Monday it's well,
Speaker 1: you know, we decided we wanted to come back, and
Speaker 1: then Tuesday and Johnsena's going they just brought him back,
Speaker 1: and I'll.
Speaker 2: Just do it. You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live
Speaker 2: with Brian Alvarez and Mike Semper vv on the Sports
Speaker 2: Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Speaking of semper vv, are you at his house right
Speaker 1: now with the landscapers?
Speaker 6: Christmas?
Speaker 1: All right? Did you watch any of WrestleMania?
Speaker 6: There was no WrestleMania to watch whatever.
Speaker 1: I keep calling it WrestleMania because it's a two night
Speaker 1: show with a raw after Summer Slam.
Speaker 6: I watched the Punk match out of curiosity with so
Speaker 6: many varying opinions of it, but other than that, I
Speaker 6: did not know where did you fall? I would not
Speaker 6: be surprised if I found out that he was ill
Speaker 6: or had a tragedy in his family and had gunn
Speaker 6: through carry him through it. It was not the standard
Speaker 6: see him punk performance, and h I thought they booked
Speaker 6: him to look very weak, which was odd.
Speaker 1: Well, I haven't rewatched it yet. I'm I'm I'm still
Speaker 1: very tempted to, but I don't know. Cares like they
Speaker 1: even credited the big thing. It's like, who cares?
Speaker 6: They even credited the desk Fluke with breaking his orbital
Speaker 6: bone rather than crediting the GTS, which I thought was
Speaker 6: why not let Punk's finisher be the one that broke
Speaker 6: the guy's face? He kneeds him in the face. Why
Speaker 6: put it over that he got lucky with a trip
Speaker 6: on a desk.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it was mostly because you know, he
Speaker 1: got tripped on the desk and went under the desk
Speaker 1: to do all the blood and then came up immediately bleeding.
Speaker 1: I mean they could have they could have done a
Speaker 1: GTS and then the desk thing or something like that, but.
Speaker 6: They did the GTSS in the ring right afterwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Man was.
Speaker 6: So he got cut, he got a nick who cares
Speaker 6: you need surgery because Punk beat him up, not because
Speaker 6: he fell on a desk.
Speaker 1: At least that that was a match, at least now,
Speaker 1: at least the last couple of days. You know, I've
Speaker 1: noticed this thing on the internet where, uh, you say
Speaker 1: something and then like everybody goes wild in one direction,
Speaker 1: and then if you wait like a day, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, everyone else starts coming in to go wild
Speaker 1: the other direction. So I think that that most people
Speaker 1: considered it to be a much better match than I did.
Speaker 1: But at least, like over the last day, it's like
Speaker 1: people are starting to come out of the woodwork and
Speaker 1: going you know, it really wasn't that good.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's engagement farming. Don't believe anything you see
Speaker 6: on Twitter. People like to jump on things and get engagement.
Speaker 1: Oh they sure do, yep, I was the way. There
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot like listen, it was my opinion. Who cares.
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, that's fine. If you have
Speaker 1: another opinion, that's fine. There are only a few things
Speaker 1: that made me angry. One was claiming that my opinion
Speaker 1: of the match was solely due to a personal issue
Speaker 1: with Phil Brooks, which god I literally put over his
Speaker 1: match with John Cena for crying out loud when John
Speaker 1: Cena was it his worst in the heel turn gimmick
Speaker 1: like Punk did an incredible job with him in that match.
Speaker 1: No one listens to that. And the other one was
Speaker 1: some guy accused me of whatever. You know, when you
Speaker 1: try to just do something to like get a reaction,
Speaker 1: it's like you already think. I really wanted to spend
Speaker 1: my weekend dealing with that. I don't do stuff to
Speaker 1: get a negative reaction. I hate that. I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you what I thought. Crying out loud, jumping.
Speaker 6: Leave him alone on Twitter. Just text him angrily like
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot easier to do that, rage baiting
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, I really wanted to spend my weekend
Speaker 1: with the punk Brigade on me. That's really what it was.
Speaker 1: What I was hoping for, a nice, fun weekend, especially
Speaker 1: SummerSlam weekend. So get out of here, you geeks. NXT
Speaker 1: tonight as Soul Ruka versus Tatum Paxley for the North
Speaker 1: American Title, Hank and Tank against Uriah and Kale of Chase,
Speaker 1: U Blake Monroe versus Kalani, Jordan, Yoshiki, Ni Murra versus Stax,
Speaker 1: Lorenzo and Lexus King versus Miles Bourne. And incredibly, it's
Speaker 1: Tuesday here on the show, and we have four segments
Speaker 1: already for Dynamite tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 1: There have been many Wednesdays were at best I've got
Speaker 1: three segments to talk about and one week I had two.
Speaker 1: We've already got four big improvement MJF versus Mark Brisco,
Speaker 1: We have got Young Bucks versus Brodido, Tag Team title Eliminator,
Speaker 1: Tournament Semifinals, the return of Mercedes, and then a Forbidden
Speaker 1: Door TBS Championship qualifying match. It's a lot of words.
Speaker 1: Queen Aminada, Sky Blue, Alex Windsor and Billy Starks. I
Speaker 1: gotta give aw credit. I mean they're getting these women
Speaker 1: out working a lot, and if you've been watching the shows,
Speaker 1: these matches are getting a lot better. So that's good.
Speaker 1: And NXT. I don't have the dates in front of me,
Speaker 1: but NXT also announce, you know, they do those little
Speaker 1: local shows kind of around you know, the performance center area.
Speaker 1: They've actually got three dates a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday
Speaker 1: out of state coming up, I think late August, early September.
Speaker 1: I don't have in front of me, but it's good
Speaker 1: to see them doing some house shows outside of the
Speaker 1: normal area because you know, when you do house shows
Speaker 1: around the performance Center, you get a lot of the
Speaker 1: same fans, and quite frankly, you're gonna get It's good
Speaker 1: to go out in front of different people, do different matches,
Speaker 1: get different reactions.
Speaker 6: Make sure what you're doing actually works with everybody, not
Speaker 6: just the few hundred people that see you every week.
Speaker 1: Hey do I got to bring it up Jada Parker.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was a heel and all. She just
Speaker 1: got cheered, cheered, and I got mad every week and
Speaker 1: next the I kept being told over and over, dude,
Speaker 1: it's just this crowd. We can't book a national television
Speaker 1: show around just this crowd, and my argument was, if
Speaker 1: you only run in the same building for national television, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you should book around that crowd because they're there
Speaker 1: every fricking week. But the bigger issue is they then
Speaker 1: went on the road and everywhere they went, Jada Parker
Speaker 1: was over as a babyface. So it wasn't the building,
Speaker 1: It wasn't just those fans. It was the fact that
Speaker 1: everybody thought she was a babyface, which I think she
Speaker 1: now is, thank goodness. But I couldn't promise you.
Speaker 6: That if you knew. But thinking is at least better
Speaker 6: than doubting.
Speaker 1: It would definitely be better if I knew, But I
Speaker 1: don't actually know for sure. Hey, before we get into
Speaker 1: more news, Uh, what't you plug Brady's book?
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Speaker 1: All right, here's the latest on the G One from
Speaker 1: Jeremy Finestone, speaking of Strong style podcasts on the Fight
Speaker 1: Game Media Network a block. We got a five way
Speaker 1: tie at eight and a five way tie at six
Speaker 1: with two knights of matches left, so tied for first
Speaker 1: with eight points. We have yu Oimura, bolton Oleg, Yodasuji,
Speaker 1: Riyo he Oiwa an Evil, all tied five way tie
Speaker 1: six points. We got a five way tie Tanahashi, Taichi,
Speaker 1: Callum Newman, Sonata, and David Finley. So the next show
Speaker 1: is August seventh. After Tanahashi got his one hundredth overall
Speaker 1: G One win, he faced Yodasuji. If he won, it
Speaker 1: would be his one hundredth win in the history of
Speaker 1: ge and he won so he'll face Sonata. We've also
Speaker 1: got Oleg versus Evil Taichi versus Newman Uei Mura versus
Speaker 1: Oe Wah, which is a first time singles match, and
Speaker 1: Yodas Suji versus David Finley. B Block will resume on Friday,
Speaker 1: the eighth. Two nights of matches left ending next week
Speaker 1: on the thirteenth. We got a three way tie for first.
Speaker 1: Zach Saber, Junior, Ren Narita, and Takeshta all have ten points.
Speaker 1: So with the results today, the Sport of Pro Wrestling
Speaker 1: Statistical G one Climax thirty five tracker sounds very complicated
Speaker 1: has announced that Shingo Fantasmo and Great o'conn cannot advance
Speaker 1: based on tiebreakers. By the way, you know this Bolton
Speaker 1: oleg oleg Bolton thing well, el Fantasmo. I called him
Speaker 1: ELP the other day and Tom got very upset. He said,
Speaker 1: it's not ELP, it's LP. I was like, whatever you
Speaker 1: you worked there, I'll take your word for it. But
Speaker 1: then it was brought to my attention that ELP's theme
Speaker 1: song it says e LP over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: so I'm going with ELP. I refuse to be wrong.
Speaker 1: Blockab matches on Friday showed um and O versus Dakeshta
Speaker 1: Shingo versus Ren Narita e Lp versus Yoshi Hashi and
Speaker 1: Rilla Maloney versus Zach Saber Junior. Top three in each
Speaker 1: block advance to the next round. So there's plenty left
Speaker 1: to happen before all of this concludes. So there you go.
Speaker 1: That's the update on the g one. Thank you to Jeremy.
Speaker 1: It's much easier getting it that way than having to
Speaker 1: like go, you know, go through a bunch of paper
Speaker 1: notes but I can't find That's why I like that,
Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a you're gonna have a Triple A
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Speaker 1: Bray Nelver is here Wrestling Observer Live, so it's official.
Speaker 1: The Raw after Summer Slam is now officially branded the
Speaker 1: Raw After Summer Slam. So you know, you can see
Speaker 1: that they're trying to basically do two WrestleManias. There's the
Speaker 1: WrestleMania and the ra after WrestleMania. Now there's the Summer
Speaker 1: Slam and the Rafter Summer Slam. And my guess would
Speaker 1: be that at some point we're probably gonna have the
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble two night event and the Raw after the
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble. I'm not sure you're gonna make that work
Speaker 1: with Survivors series. Although, for being honest, you know, the
Speaker 1: Survivor series. If they're doing war games and they got
Speaker 1: to do two war games, I mean long matches, dude.
Speaker 6: And two similar get them on separate nights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, although you know it's weird, is like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know those matches this weekend, for the most part,
Speaker 1: they were just short. So like if you added the
Speaker 1: time of all those matches together, it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: we could have done this on one night. It would
Speaker 1: have been fine, Like if if they would have run
Speaker 1: it like a triple or an aw show where I
Speaker 1: don't think it needed to be, you know, seven hours
Speaker 1: of wrestling. But still, if you'd have just done match
Speaker 1: match match match, it would have been probably a significantly
Speaker 1: better one night show than the two night show that
Speaker 1: had so much downtime that first night. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it was like both nights. I think at about
Speaker 1: the same amount of wrestling, but my god, the pacing
Speaker 1: of that first night was brutal, absolutely brutal. One twenty
Speaker 1: minute match in the entire first hour, like, oh my god. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the Raw after SummerSlam, I thought was I thought it
Speaker 1: was a pretty good show. We still have the issue
Speaker 1: where there's so many finishes that are so they're just awful.
Speaker 1: But as far as like you know, there were big
Speaker 1: stars on the show, they made big matches. We did
Speaker 1: get some clean finishes in the title matches, and we
Speaker 1: set up some things for down the road, and it
Speaker 1: felt it felt like a big show, which is you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do the comparison to aw but
Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of my job. You know, Tony
Speaker 1: likes to do these. Well, first off, Tony really should
Speaker 1: brand the Dynamite after a major pay per view is
Speaker 1: the Dynamite after all in, and it should be a
Speaker 1: big show. Put a few big matches on there, take
Speaker 1: a few matches off the pay per view and put
Speaker 1: them on that Dynamite show, like make it up, like
Speaker 1: you can't miss this show. All in just happened. People
Speaker 1: are hot. It was like a great show. Oh well,
Speaker 1: they got to tune in Wednesday. You gotta keep that
Speaker 1: momentum going. So I think that that's number one thing
Speaker 1: that you should do. And the other thing that I
Speaker 1: think is clear is you know it's been less, but
Speaker 1: you know this earlier this summer, it was like every
Speaker 1: other week was like a special edition of Dynamite. It
Speaker 1: had some branding to it and whatever, and like a
Speaker 1: lot of them, it was just like it was just
Speaker 1: a show. There was nothing special about it. I think
Speaker 1: that you should brand shows, not every week, but you know,
Speaker 1: maybe once a month or whatever, and those those have
Speaker 1: to be bigger than your normal Dynamite. A couple of
Speaker 1: big stars facing each other, put a meaningful title, not
Speaker 1: just some stupid title, like a meaningful title on the line,
Speaker 1: something like that. And you know, this show was all
Speaker 1: about branding the night after Summer Slam, and they did
Speaker 1: I mean whatever you think about the show, like they
Speaker 1: they did what they could to like make it feel
Speaker 1: like it was a much bigger than unusual raw.
Speaker 6: But to that end, imagine how effective the ending of
Speaker 6: this show would be and how jacked everyone would be
Speaker 6: if we got more main event finishes in the last
Speaker 6: two months rather than most of them also being.
Speaker 1: DQ's Well yeah, there's too many.
Speaker 6: Like if this was the first time this happened in
Speaker 6: the last two months, this would have felt monumental. You know,
Speaker 6: this would have had the you know the same feel
Speaker 6: as you know Hogan discovering the two twin refs and
Speaker 6: throwing it like just this ending could have been so monumental.
Speaker 6: But I found watching the match it's like, yeah, it's fine,
Speaker 6: but I'm just waiting for the run in interference DQ
Speaker 6: or whatever's going to happen at the end of this,
Speaker 6: because it's fairly commonplace now.
Speaker 1: So it opened up with Seth coming out to celebrate
Speaker 1: that he'd fooled everybody even though he hadn't, and he's.
Speaker 6: And fooling everyone accomplished nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, voting, and then out comes La Knight, and La
Speaker 1: Knight actually asked a good question, which is you got
Speaker 1: that briefcase, why do you have to fake an injury?
Speaker 1: And he says, you faked it so I couldn't hurt
Speaker 1: you like I wanted to, and.
Speaker 6: He voluntarily took his finish.
Speaker 1: Well he did, I mean, so he basically said I
Speaker 1: beat you and I won a title shot. And Adam
Speaker 1: Pearce came out and he was upset and Seth and
Speaker 1: led everybody. So he said, you know what, forget these
Speaker 1: normal rules tonight. Seth Rowin's La Knight for the title
Speaker 1: here tonight with Braun and Bronson ban from Ringside.
Speaker 6: I was so happy with this because I hate when
Speaker 6: the heel riles the crowd up, teases they're going to
Speaker 6: get something they really want, and then they just say
Speaker 6: no and don't deliver it, which happens far too often,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, why do you make the crowd so unhappy?
Speaker 6: But when Pierce came out and made them happier, I'm like, perfect,
Speaker 6: accomplished two things, So I thought that was excellent.
Speaker 1: So then we had uh domin Aj having his segment together.
Speaker 1: First they set up a match with dragon Leaf for later,
Speaker 1: and then domin Aj they had a deal and this
Speaker 1: feud must continue, much like Seamus and Russev, which for
Speaker 1: those who don't recall, they had one long, boring match,
Speaker 1: then they had another long boring match, and to his credit,
Speaker 1: Seamus was great in both of those matches, but like,
Speaker 1: they were really long, and they were slow and the
Speaker 1: crowd was dead except when Seamus made a comeback. So
Speaker 1: they did it a third time here, and I guess
Speaker 1: I gotta give him credit. The third time, it was like,
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be long, It's gonna be short, and just
Speaker 1: like go hit each other. So as a match, it
Speaker 1: was much better.
Speaker 6: It's because they're building to the fourth.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah it was. It was bizarre because they just
Speaker 1: brawled outside for a double count out and then all
Speaker 1: the Geeks had to break him up, and it was like,
Speaker 1: am I gonna like did I step into a time machine?
Speaker 1: This should have been the first match. Instead they did
Speaker 1: a third match where they shot in the angle whatever,
Speaker 1: who cares, They're gonna do it again in a cage
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 6: Who knows.
Speaker 1: We had pent In Grayson Waller New Days at ringside.
Speaker 1: They're just dressed in these wacky outfits. This actually wasn't
Speaker 1: a bad match, you know Grayson. I mean he's he's
Speaker 1: got a goofy character and the thing with theory sucked,
Speaker 1: but like he's not bad. And he went for a
Speaker 1: dead eye and pent It turned a new Destroyer and
Speaker 1: pinned him, and then the New Day hit the ring
Speaker 1: and Penta laid all of them out, hit a big
Speaker 1: dive to the outside, danced in this enormous this hat
Speaker 1: that Woods was wearing. Like Seth would have been embarrassed.
Speaker 1: It was preposterous.
Speaker 6: Seth would have said, hey, no, that's too.
Speaker 1: Much, that's too much for me. I can't possibly wear
Speaker 1: that on national television. And we had Charlotte and Alexa,
Speaker 1: this Charlotte and Alexa thing. There. There are things in
Speaker 1: wrestling where I'll just do you know Charlotte Alexa? Have
Speaker 1: you met him?
Speaker 6: Yes, I've worked with both of them in the ring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're friends. Yes, you would never know that watching
Speaker 1: it on television. They are so awkward together. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're so painfully awkward.
Speaker 6: The story, agree the story?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Have you been watching all of
Speaker 1: these shows?
Speaker 6: I haven't watched all of them, but I think there
Speaker 6: is a a we're friends and we're screwing around and
Speaker 6: it's like it. I think there is a degree of
Speaker 6: friendship there because there is sort of a behind the
Speaker 6: scenes looks on their face with a you know, we're
Speaker 6: screwing around having fun because that's our gimmick now, But
Speaker 6: there's a friendship there.
Speaker 1: Well, here's what I'll say about it. I cringe every
Speaker 1: time I watched these interview segments. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like what is happening? But you know what, who am I?
Speaker 1: These fans are eating it up, so whatever, it's working
Speaker 1: for everybody except me, So great just like that punk match.
Speaker 1: So out come Raquel and Roxanne. Raquel flat out says,
Speaker 1: and this had to be like somebody had to screw
Speaker 1: up somewhere. She goes, I know we're not going to
Speaker 1: get a rematch, but we didn't come out here to
Speaker 1: not take the titles, like what. And then Charlotte volunteers
Speaker 1: to defend the titles and that appears comes out and
Speaker 1: they make the match official. So it's Alex and Charlotte
Speaker 1: versus Raquel and Roxanne. Like in the ring. It's fine,
Speaker 1: you know. And it was a clean finish. Charlotte got
Speaker 1: sent outside, Roxanne hit the ropes, Alexa flune out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: Sister Abigail won two to three clean pin in the middle.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. I like the match. Yeah. We had
Speaker 1: an Eo Oscar Kyrie segment where Rheo walked up and says,
Speaker 1: beat Naomi, win that title because there's nothing I want
Speaker 1: to do more than to finally beat you and win
Speaker 1: that belt back, and Heo says, Ria, You're never gonna
Speaker 1: beat me. I like angles like this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a true sports angle.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens, Yes, Dragonly, it's always funny when you
Speaker 1: watch WWE because you have these assumptions like everybody's always
Speaker 1: on every show, even though there's a brand split, everybody's
Speaker 1: wrestled and beat everybody else. And then, like every now
Speaker 1: and then, someone will just throw out a stat like
Speaker 1: when they said Charlotte hasn't had a raw match in
Speaker 1: four years. I was like, that's impossible, and then like
Speaker 1: you go back and it turns out she hasn't had
Speaker 1: a raw match in four years. And then you know
Speaker 1: it's like Ria and Eo have been top women stars
Speaker 1: for like forever, and Rhea's you know, one of the
Speaker 1: biggest stars in the company, male or female, and then
Speaker 1: you know, one day out of the blue, they throw
Speaker 1: out Ree Ripley has never beaten Neo Sky and they're
Speaker 1: like what, And then you go back and it's true.
Speaker 1: Like every now and then, somebody will say something and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how is that possible? That's impossible, but it's true.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Dragon Lee and dominic Uh Dragon Lee. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's fine, but like he's one of these big
Speaker 1: disappointments like some of these people. You know, people argue
Speaker 1: back and forth, this person should have gotten aw this
Speaker 1: person should have gotten to wherever. You know most of it.
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, you can't tell me Julia would be
Speaker 1: doing better in AW. She's doing great. Stephanie is doing great,
Speaker 1: you know, huge star Dragonly should have gotten AW. It's
Speaker 1: just not working here. And three El Grande's interface.
Speaker 6: Although there's nothing to say that he couldn't end up
Speaker 6: just being a hologram in AW.
Speaker 1: That's also true. That is also true. So anyway, domb one.
Speaker 1: After distractions by multiple El Grandees, we had uh four
Speaker 1: of them now yeah, Becky promo interrupted by Nicki. They
Speaker 1: had an awesome back and forth and of course the biggest,
Speaker 1: the biggest pop was when Becky made mention that my
Speaker 1: husband and I are the biggest husband wife group and
Speaker 1: all of wrestling, and it could have been you but
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you can't see him anymore. And everybody went
Speaker 1: wild for this line. I mean, this was like the
Speaker 1: line of the year. It was. It was a line
Speaker 1: that resulted in chance that had to be bleeped off
Speaker 1: the show. So Nicki demanded a title match. Becky gave
Speaker 1: her a cheap shot, and I'm sure they'll be facing
Speaker 1: off in UH in Paris. And then the main event
Speaker 1: was Seth and La for the title and DQ finished
Speaker 1: when Punk just ran in and attacked Seth. It was
Speaker 1: like a good match up until the lame finish and
Speaker 1: then Punk is attacking him and he's beating him down,
Speaker 1: and bron Breaker, who like was limping this weekend and
Speaker 1: had his his kneet taped up, this guy ran so
Speaker 1: fast down that that Jesus he murdered Punk and then
Speaker 1: he got in the ring and basically the Heels just
Speaker 1: absolutely destroyed everybody. Roman Reins showed up on the raw
Speaker 1: after Summer Slams and they beat him up and stole
Speaker 1: his second pair of shoes and three tsunamis, so he
Speaker 1: might be out for a while to film that Street
Speaker 1: Fighter movie. Seemed like an injury angle, but I.
Speaker 6: Guess I want to give Seth an La credit. There
Speaker 6: was a double count out earlier on the show, and
Speaker 6: at the end when they were fighting outside Forever, they
Speaker 6: both took time to break the count. Kudos for them
Speaker 6: paying attention back in.
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Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Lance
Speaker 1: Storm joining us here today, Escape from Denver, Flash that
Speaker 1: book again, Lance. Yeah, Brady was just on the show
Speaker 1: last Wednesday, the After Dark Show where we talked all
Speaker 1: manner of Denver Airport conspiracies, which was a fun show
Speaker 1: because I never even heard of it, Like can you
Speaker 1: believe that? Not a big conspiracy guy. But so I
Speaker 1: I did as little research as humanly possible so I
Speaker 1: could just ask a bunch of questions, cause, you know,
Speaker 1: if I've never heard about it, because I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I presume no one else has either, So I wanted
Speaker 1: to go in like your your average listener. It turns
Speaker 1: out I was wrong. It's a big deal. Yeah, Escape
Speaker 1: from Denver is a big fricking deal. So I probably
Speaker 1: should have been much more nervous doing that show if
Speaker 1: i'd only known, all right, what you got coming up.
Speaker 6: For Impact Impact Thursday evening eight pm Eastern Sports and
Speaker 6: at three sixty in Canada, Access TV and TNA Plus
Speaker 6: in the US. There's probably other means by which to
Speaker 6: watch it as well. I don't have the lineup handy
Speaker 6: on me, so I'm unable to plug the specific matches.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, well, that's okay, Lance, because you're going to be
Speaker 1: back on here. What's today Tuesday? Okay, I guess we'll
Speaker 1: see you Friday. I'll plug. I'll plug TNA when I
Speaker 1: get that card here. Brother and E Murgens is coming
Speaker 1: August fifteenth with Trick Williams versus Moose for the T
Speaker 1: and T title or the TNA title, and Leon Slater
Speaker 1: versus Cedric Alexander. So a lot of stuff and that's it, everybody.
Speaker 1: We gotta wrap it up and wrap it up. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening. Tonight Brian and Vinie show, we'll be talking
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