Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a flute and I love films. As Ernest
Speaker 1: Hemingway once said, the most painful thing is losing yourself
Speaker 1: in the process of loving someone too much and forgetting
Speaker 1: that you are special too. It's like how people say
Speaker 1: Adams Family values. It's so much better than the Adams Family,
Speaker 1: and it's really good, but they argue about it so
Speaker 1: much that they forget the purity and original genius of
Speaker 1: the first Adams Family film. Yeah, that is true, Earnest.
Speaker 1: Every week I invite a special guest over. I tell
Speaker 1: them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their
Speaker 1: life through the films that meant the most of them.
Speaker 1: Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and
Speaker 1: even Aid Frambles. But this week it's the incredible writer,
Speaker 1: actor and director mister Dexter Fletcher. Head over to the
Speaker 1: Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Breck Golstein, where
Speaker 1: you get an extra twenty minutes with Dexter. We laugh
Speaker 1: a lot we talk about beginnings and endings. There's a secret.
Speaker 1: There's a video. You get the whole episode, uncut and
Speaker 1: ad free. Check it out over at patreon dot com.
Speaker 1: Forward slash Brett Goldstein. So Dexter Fletcher, come on. Dexter
Speaker 1: Fletcher is an amazing actor. He's been in our lives
Speaker 1: for so long now and all the things that you love,
Speaker 1: from Press Gang to budsy Malone, the Band of Brothers.
Speaker 1: He's also an insanely good director, having made five Stonecold
Speaker 1: Classics and now the TV show about the making of
Speaker 1: The Godfather starring my girl, Juno Temple and Milesteller, which
Speaker 1: you can stream on Paramount Plus now. It is called
Speaker 1: The Offer, and it is brilliant. We've never met before.
Speaker 1: We recorded this on Zoom. Had such a lovely time.
Speaker 1: What a lovely man. I think you're really going to
Speaker 1: enjoy this one. He's fucking brilliant. He is. So that
Speaker 1: is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: episode two hundred and six of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
Speaker 1: I Brett Goldstein and I am joined today by a
Speaker 1: Press Ganger, a lock Stocker, a baby facer, a wild biller,
Speaker 1: a sunshine On Lether, an oscar winning bohemian, a Susie Hayter,
Speaker 1: a rocketman, a hero, a legend, and most of all
Speaker 1: now a godfather. Please welcome to the show. It's the
Speaker 1: brilliant writer, actor, director, all around hero. It's mister text
Speaker 1: of lecture. Wow, I'm gonna say, do you put it
Speaker 1: like a huge round of laus after a new show
Speaker 1: like that? It's just me doing that. That's good, that's brilliant.
Speaker 1: I'll take that. That's great. Thank you. Hello, Hey, Brett
Speaker 1: hey Man. Nice to meet you at last. Likewise, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: so good to meet you. I'm a big fan of yours.
Speaker 1: I was just watching your The Offer, which you directed, right,
Speaker 1: it's brilliant and it has my girl Juno Temple in
Speaker 1: it bringing her life. She really does. Yeah, she does
Speaker 1: bring the light. She's amazing. Yes, she just walks on
Speaker 1: like a halogen lamp, don't she just like oh yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I watch someone's dazzling like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: she was amazing. Watch. I watched The Offer which for
Speaker 1: those of you who I think it's about to come
Speaker 1: out in England or maybe out who knows, and it's
Speaker 1: about the making of The Godfather and what I liked
Speaker 1: about it and what I thought you'll you'd be good
Speaker 1: for this podcast is it's such a like what it
Speaker 1: is at minimum is a show made by people who
Speaker 1: fucking love films. Like it looks like it's so fun.
Speaker 1: It looked like it had been really fun to make,
Speaker 1: and it's so like that magic feeling, you Like, there's
Speaker 1: just the scene in the first episode of Juno Mars
Speaker 1: Teller just watching a take of a production going on
Speaker 1: and they don't want to go back to work, so
Speaker 1: they just want to watch, like that feeling of being
Speaker 1: on a set and the real magic of it. I
Speaker 1: just think it's all in that show. It's all in there,
Speaker 1: is that you Yeah? I mean, you know too final pointed.
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing the beauty about that is is
Speaker 1: that we had the Paramount Lot and that's where the
Speaker 1: film was shot. That's where it was made, you know there,
Speaker 1: and so we did all our pre production and all
Speaker 1: our prep there. Everything was happening there, and so I
Speaker 1: kind of had just freedom around and it was just
Speaker 1: I just took it anyway. I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's golf carts, sit around in the studio and it's
Speaker 1: the first it's the first thing I've done in America,
Speaker 1: directed in America, and it really yeah, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I do I want a Paramount? Was Rocketmount was was Paramount? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I've been there, but I got to sort of
Speaker 1: prep and prepare and be there. So I took golf
Speaker 1: carts and just drive around. And there's this incredible back
Speaker 1: lot there, and there's incredible history there all the stages,
Speaker 1: and no one stopped me from doing there anywhere I
Speaker 1: wanted to. It was definitely that that freedom that you
Speaker 1: know you kind of always want if you when you
Speaker 1: get on this. But it's one of the oldest lots
Speaker 1: in la as well, one of the oldest studio lots,
Speaker 1: and it's this history. So the more I wandered around,
Speaker 1: eventually I started taking scenes that were written in offices,
Speaker 1: that were just people sort of sitting in offices and
Speaker 1: have a conversation and dragging them out into the studio lot.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a really great scene with Juno as
Speaker 1: well and Andrea who's who's the casting woman. This is
Speaker 1: on a golf cart and they're just driving through the
Speaker 1: studio that originally was just written in the two you know,
Speaker 1: two people sitting in an office chat and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. We've got this incredible studio. So and
Speaker 1: then I got this old golf cart and I drove
Speaker 1: them around so that we got to see the studio
Speaker 1: functioning and all that world and to life like that,
Speaker 1: because how often do you get a chance to see it?
Speaker 1: Not often, And so yeah, I just loved being there
Speaker 1: and just took every opportunity. I mean, I made it
Speaker 1: as a pain in the arts of production because we
Speaker 1: had to wait for a Sunday when there was no
Speaker 1: one else there working and then populated with people's in
Speaker 1: gladiated outfits and ave man and what you know. But
Speaker 1: so yeah, there was a lot of that that I
Speaker 1: was I just sort of ran right with that. I
Speaker 1: just took that opportunity. And how much of this is
Speaker 1: my guess having seen most of your work, and that
Speaker 1: could be wrong, But like you did Bohemian Rout today,
Speaker 1: I don't know the full story, but I know you
Speaker 1: took over. I don't know what happened, you don't want
Speaker 1: but obviously, well, how late in the process were you
Speaker 1: brought on on that well, when they were actually shooting.
Speaker 1: It was about seven or eight weeks in out of
Speaker 1: a twelve weeks shoot. Okay, twelve thirteen weeks tune. But
Speaker 1: also part of the story is it maybe not many
Speaker 1: people know, is that prior to that, I've been working
Speaker 1: on the film where it was at a different studio.
Speaker 1: Was that Sony originally and a couple of years before
Speaker 1: I was on it, when it was so many with
Speaker 1: Ben Wishall was going to play Freddie Wow wow, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and we got running, we got sort of we recast
Speaker 1: and and it was it was Gary. We had a
Speaker 1: script obviously, and it was it was quite different to
Speaker 1: what they ended up making. But but that fell apart
Speaker 1: because of the vagaries of filmmaking. You know, you could
Speaker 1: even be in the first week production and suddenly the
Speaker 1: students so I did not happy about something, and they go, no,
Speaker 1: we're putting it on ice, and off it goes. And
Speaker 1: so it didn't actually happen. But I was very familiar
Speaker 1: with I'd done, I'd met the band, I'd gone and
Speaker 1: hung out with them and worked with the producers and
Speaker 1: done a whole load of work prepping it. We were
Speaker 1: always getting ready to again. The pre production literally, like
Speaker 1: I think the first week preproduction, and then so many
Speaker 1: changed their minds, like because the wind changed direction or whatever,
Speaker 1: but they so I was. I was sort of well
Speaker 1: into it anyway, and then went away, and then I
Speaker 1: went off and started developing and other projects. So when
Speaker 1: it came back to me, or when it came to me,
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to be unfamiliar with it. I was,
Speaker 1: although it was really different script and as newcast and
Speaker 1: where the material and the band knew me and they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, great, how was it stepping onto set
Speaker 1: with the custom crew that I've been working together for
Speaker 1: the name weeks and you're now this new Was everyone
Speaker 1: welcoming with the tricky first day, like how did you
Speaker 1: That's quite hard to do? And I thought it, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, but I had to ignore that right to
Speaker 1: sort of get my head down and get them with it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've formused a really quick and solid friendship
Speaker 1: and relationship with Mammy. He was one of the first
Speaker 1: people I met, and I knew the producers and I
Speaker 1: knew the studio, so they were all sort of happy,
Speaker 1: and Money was very supportive, and I knew what his
Speaker 1: concerns were and what to address there. I kind of
Speaker 1: I've got a list of what I thought the problems were,
Speaker 1: what was holding everything up and what was really fouling
Speaker 1: it up for everyone, And so I kind of went
Speaker 1: in and decided to ignore those problems as it were,
Speaker 1: or just address them by just being really sort of
Speaker 1: like blatant and and sort of like big headed and
Speaker 1: driving it forward, you know, just making sure everyone's there
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock. Well just came like everyone was starting
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock every day. That's what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: And then and it sort of just it sort of
Speaker 1: shocked everyone in like, Okay, this guy comes in and
Speaker 1: his kind of full of energy and determination. I sort
Speaker 1: of attacked it like that, and and there was a
Speaker 1: lot of love for the projects on there. They all
Speaker 1: those people are really invested in it and they wanted
Speaker 1: to be great. And you know, it's not just a job,
Speaker 1: as you know, you know, you know, making any projects,
Speaker 1: you've got to invest so much of yourself. So I'm
Speaker 1: kind of exploited that, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: The best way Yeah, yeah, yeah, And just drove forward
Speaker 1: and night, and I was really excited to be there
Speaker 1: as well, because I was prepping Rocket Man as well.
Speaker 1: At the time, and it was all the same period
Speaker 1: the subject matter. So I was right in the middle
Speaker 1: of prep for rocket Man, right, it will because it
Speaker 1: feels like rocket Man is like because Mabe Ratty, which
Speaker 1: I love, is quite straightforward telling of yeah a story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you made rocket Man, which is another music
Speaker 1: public but rocket Man is fucking like you're going fuck it.
Speaker 1: Rocket Man is so insane and inventive and and creative.
Speaker 1: And you know when when I love when Stephen mcinto
Speaker 1: I started singing and it's so brilliant. It's just like this, yes,
Speaker 1: this is a whole different. And I wondered how much
Speaker 1: of that was in relation to but he going, I
Speaker 1: want to do that completely different, or if it was
Speaker 1: always that way. Well, it was always that. It wasn't
Speaker 1: really reaction to being in rapsodly. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: interesting obviously because there was a part was like, what
Speaker 1: what are they doing? Because obviously, you know you you
Speaker 1: don't want to repeat what they're doing. You don't want
Speaker 1: to I mean, I mean, their numbers were so amazing
Speaker 1: when the film came out, it was shit. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: repeating the yeah, yeah, yeah, right. No. There was always
Speaker 1: a very imaginative, let's say, or fantastical kind of Taketon's story.
Speaker 1: And he was quite sort of adamant of about that
Speaker 1: in the first draft, and the script that I got
Speaker 1: rocket Man was had certainly had touches of that that
Speaker 1: I then, you know, embellished and elaborated on and said
Speaker 1: they could fly here and whatever and or Steve mackintus
Speaker 1: should sing. But but it was always and I think
Speaker 1: that that was that was always a very deliberate choice
Speaker 1: in the outset. It was. It's more it was more
Speaker 1: kind of in keeping with sort of Elton's persona as well.
Speaker 1: You know, Now I've always loved this tagline a true fantacy,
Speaker 1: which I which I really loved that was that was
Speaker 1: sort of like the touchstone for the approach and sort
Speaker 1: of the world that we were in. You know, it's
Speaker 1: true fanacy. You know, when when we entered the world
Speaker 1: with this man's imagination or his retailing his own story,
Speaker 1: it's full of this fancy, which is really kind of
Speaker 1: exciting place to be. Where as you say, being in
Speaker 1: rapid he was there was this guy and he came
Speaker 1: from nowhere and he got to the top and Bryce, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I've got so many questions for you, but
Speaker 1: at some point we're gonna to talk about the films.
Speaker 1: But what one thing I'm also interested. You're a very
Speaker 1: very good actor. You're also a very good filmmaker, and
Speaker 1: you clearly love love, love, I'm very passionate about films.
Speaker 1: And then I saw you in like I Hate Susie,
Speaker 1: where you didn't you were so good. It's such a
Speaker 1: good act it's such a good performance. And I wondered,
Speaker 1: I wondered what it Unless I'm wrong, it seems to
Speaker 1: me your main thing you want to do is make films.
Speaker 1: So acting now is that? I guess it's a thing
Speaker 1: you do occasionally. And some of my questions like what
Speaker 1: makes you do an acting job now? Like way when
Speaker 1: I see you and stuff? Oh yeah, I wouldn't do
Speaker 1: that if someone asks me, really, I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: really ask me very often anymore. I mean, I I've
Speaker 1: got a scene in Dungeons and Dragons as well that
Speaker 1: I would have did. But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you find this because when you're
Speaker 1: when you're the acting side of the line, there's a world,
Speaker 1: in a space that you inhabit as an actor that
Speaker 1: that is, it's very exposed, and you know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that comes with it. As an actor, you
Speaker 1: know you do have to navigate and but your your
Speaker 1: your your attention to detail and focus on on one aspect,
Speaker 1: your character really is is all consuming. And and you
Speaker 1: know you're in that company of other actors who are
Speaker 1: all processing the same diet to be good and create
Speaker 1: something truthful, and and and and everyone's process is different
Speaker 1: and kind of complicated already simplified or whatever. But there's
Speaker 1: a it's it's a really kind of extraordinary landscape in
Speaker 1: terms of our people when I started directing anyway, And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you find this, you know with
Speaker 1: you know when you're the other side of line, that
Speaker 1: there's some of the big things going on at all,
Speaker 1: the the the anxiety that's attached to being an actor,
Speaker 1: that your state you can, oh, mate, you really don't
Speaker 1: need to worry. You're really that you're do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You could say that actually honestly, you're
Speaker 1: really you're good. It's good, honestly what you're you or great?
Speaker 1: It is good. Relax because you really should enjoy it.
Speaker 1: You're told what to wear, where to turn up, what
Speaker 1: to say. There's going to be music on top of
Speaker 1: it that's going to make everyone cry. You don't have
Speaker 1: to do anything exactly. Yeah, yeah, really really enjoy it
Speaker 1: and that so there's a part of me that kind
Speaker 1: of goes, fuck, I spent that he is worrying too much.
Speaker 1: And fear and nerves are the things that are getting
Speaker 1: your own way, that stopped being that that free that
Speaker 1: you need you or want to be as an act
Speaker 1: because you know when you're in, you know when you don't.
Speaker 1: And and so when acting opportunities come along, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do that. Great, what fantastic workouts like yeah, great,
Speaker 1: And you just get to it and you get to
Speaker 1: see other acts being great as well. And I and
Speaker 1: I love love that. I do love that. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. You know, it's like we just touched on
Speaker 1: Juno when first it's like she just brings this light
Speaker 1: and energy and fun. She got that you know he's there,
Speaker 1: and that's why she's so brilliant to watch because you're
Speaker 1: safe in her hand. She's having a great time. She
Speaker 1: could move you sheever way she wants you to go.
Speaker 1: And she's a really good example of that. And and
Speaker 1: so when someone says, do you want to come and
Speaker 1: you know, jump around the hotel. We've been a hiper
Speaker 1: and be a drug add on watch that actor like
Speaker 1: this is great. That's a proper day out. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a proper day out right, love to do, you know?
Speaker 1: And so yeah, but but again people don't ask me
Speaker 1: very much anymore because I was always directed if you
Speaker 1: listen to this, that is available for a proper day exactly,
Speaker 1: for a proper day out. I'm definitely up for it.
Speaker 1: Affect her. I've forgotten to taste having. Yeah, I should
Speaker 1: have told you in the beginning, and I made a note.
Speaker 1: I made a note of it, and then I missed it.
Speaker 1: But you've you've died. You're dead, You're dead? Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how did you die? You want to say? With no
Speaker 1: socks Ontagram by adoring. I didn't know. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: the beautiful. I don't know how I died. And that's
Speaker 1: what's really fantastic. It's happened. It was a real shot.
Speaker 1: No one there was a shot. No, no, I mean
Speaker 1: people beyond me now that I've woken up dead and
Speaker 1: I how did that happen? So so it was quick
Speaker 1: painless and and there wasn't a great deal of terror involved.
Speaker 1: It was Should I tell you what happened? Because I
Speaker 1: do that on the jet engine fell out of this
Speaker 1: guy where you were asleep, and went came through your
Speaker 1: roof and crusty to death is today? Yeah? That that carriage?
Speaker 1: That that makes sense. Do you worry about death? Yeah? Sure? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't relish, you know, I don't relish the end
Speaker 1: of the vast expense of nothingness. But do you think
Speaker 1: that's this? You think that's it? You think it's that's
Speaker 1: expensive nothingness after it? Yeah? I think I do. I
Speaker 1: mean I do. I mean, you know, I want to
Speaker 1: you know, I believe, you know, there's a certain amount
Speaker 1: of residual echoes maybe of you somewhere, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe our our profession gives us a more tangible version
Speaker 1: of that. But yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: such a complex and incredible thing at the earth and
Speaker 1: universe and the world and and and you're not here
Speaker 1: for a long long time, and then you're here for
Speaker 1: a bit of time, a very small amount, and then
Speaker 1: you're not again. It seems to me that kind of
Speaker 1: does carry and make some sort of sense in a
Speaker 1: way you know that you know that's what it is,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, you know, and then if you're lucky,
Speaker 1: you're happy, at some points along the way you've got
Speaker 1: to be questioning it. And that's the supposed part of
Speaker 1: the human condition is like we are acutely aware that
Speaker 1: that is, whether you like it or not. What what
Speaker 1: the what the end result is it is? So that's
Speaker 1: I'd be alive to be like, no, I haven't just
Speaker 1: for life happily and not a get in the world.
Speaker 1: And and I really, oh, yes, I suppose about that.
Speaker 1: You're telling me there's an end. Yeah really, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that. Yeah, I did keep thinking that. It is weird.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it enough. We all know we're
Speaker 1: going to die. We're all in denied about it. But equally, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I do think he wouldn't want to live
Speaker 1: forever because everything would become meaningless, right if you if
Speaker 1: you were a vampire, or you would get bored, I
Speaker 1: think because you'd have Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting thing to explore in your mind.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I don't know if it's the automa
Speaker 1: in kind of of self obsession. I think what I
Speaker 1: should I should live forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah I could
Speaker 1: do that. I could you handle that well? Everyone? Because
Speaker 1: also everyone else would die. I mean it would be awful.
Speaker 1: You'd just be watching everything everything decay. Yeah yeah, just
Speaker 1: be set on a rock, just going on. I regret
Speaker 1: that decision when they say hell is other people, but
Speaker 1: I think the point where you'd be like wow, missing
Speaker 1: now living forever thing is yeah, there is a heaven.
Speaker 1: There is a heaven. Well, you're echoing around the earth
Speaker 1: for your work. You're in heaven and everyone's excited to see.
Speaker 1: And it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's hard. I suppose films would be on the list.
Speaker 1: All right, it's my favorite thing. Actually is my wife. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's what heaven is. A shadow that might have is
Speaker 1: a million clans of your wife. It's too late, you
Speaker 1: made your choice. It's a million vasures of your wife.
Speaker 1: The furniture looks like your wife. The wolves is made
Speaker 1: of your wife. Your wife is there in a million iterations,
Speaker 1: and she's delighted to see they all are, and she
Speaker 1: wants to know about your life, even though she knows
Speaker 1: quite a bit. But nonetheless she wants to know about
Speaker 1: your life through film. And the first thing your wife
Speaker 1: and your million wives made by the same woman want
Speaker 1: to know is what's the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 1: Text to Fletcher, this is hard, it's tricky. I think
Speaker 1: my mom took us to see two thousand and one
Speaker 1: A Space honest, when I was really young, because she wanted, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she wanted to go see it. Yeah, that's I do.
Speaker 1: I do remember being in the cinema ending really my
Speaker 1: big impact with the with the baby in space and yeah,
Speaker 1: the big ending of that and how and the monkeys
Speaker 1: as well, you know, the caveman rather at the beginning.
Speaker 1: I just I have a recollection of that, being in
Speaker 1: a big darks and when it was quite empty. I
Speaker 1: think my mum was My mum's a big science fiction fan,
Speaker 1: and so I think that's one one of the earliest memories.
Speaker 1: And then there's another film called Sinatra film called Love
Speaker 1: is the Tender Trap. I remember watching on telling, a
Speaker 1: black and white telling with my dad and there was
Speaker 1: Sinatra was singing the opening number and my dad was
Speaker 1: singing along to that because it was a big Sinatra fan. Wow,
Speaker 1: So I remember that. But but the big I remember
Speaker 1: watching over and over time. What was Singing in the
Speaker 1: Rain was a biggin of my house. My favorite film
Speaker 1: was very big. Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's hard for it not to be. It's it's so phenomenal,
Speaker 1: but I think music, Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's so brilliant. But it's also about the film industry
Speaker 1: as well, which is fantastic about it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like dignity, always dignity. Like it's like if you can't
Speaker 1: say that would have smile on your face and understand
Speaker 1: that it's about the complete opposite of that, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's that brilliant opening montage with no dignity, always
Speaker 1: exactly you know, getting smash airplanes and motorbikes, and that's
Speaker 1: what What is the film that's scared? You like being scared?
Speaker 1: I don't, to be honest, and I'm not sure why.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big horror fan. I don't like gory stuff.
Speaker 1: I remember, I mean, if you ask me about the
Speaker 1: first one, I remember being quite friend of the Omen,
Speaker 1: the Omen film, you know, with the nanny haying herself
Speaker 1: and just for you, Damon and aller that. Remember that?
Speaker 1: And The Exorcist. I remember those films scaring me, and
Speaker 1: because I suppose because I was young as well when
Speaker 1: they were the kids in them. Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 1: know somehow connected to that. It's a tweey one actually,
Speaker 1: because I don't tend to watch him. I mean, I
Speaker 1: watched Stranger Things the other day and that scared me.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, but I'm easily. I'm very
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very susceptible to It's just I'm sensitive.
Speaker 1: I am. I am said, Oh please don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really like roller coasters like that. Yeah, I suppose,
Speaker 1: so I suppose. So yeah, what about crying? How are
Speaker 1: you were crying? It's funny. That was a hard one
Speaker 1: because I don't remember really crying at anything. I cried
Speaker 1: like a baby at Warhols, but that was when I
Speaker 1: saw it in the theater, and I'd not I cried
Speaker 1: for years. I don't know nothing that's penetrated the stuff
Speaker 1: exterory of mine. I had nothing to cry about. No,
Speaker 1: that's not true. But that made me blub And then
Speaker 1: when I wanted to sawt the cinema, I was already
Speaker 1: keen to down to see it in the theater when
Speaker 1: it came out it's Billbourne's version of it, and it
Speaker 1: had the same impact on me. Then for some reason
Speaker 1: that I think it's just sort of taxed into some
Speaker 1: kind of empathy for for an animal that had absolutely
Speaker 1: no control or choice in this terrific kind of life
Speaker 1: that was dragged into. And then that then that sort
Speaker 1: of love that that young man had for it, and anyway,
Speaker 1: that just sort of somehow opened up. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know, I was trying. I was trying
Speaker 1: to analyze it and think about it like you do.
Speaker 1: And I didn't really have announce I suppose, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: somehow that that and I don't have any dogs or
Speaker 1: cats or anything like that had not a great animal
Speaker 1: person a few cactuses. But do you like Sunshine un
Speaker 1: Leave has moving stuff? Do you ever Yeah, have you
Speaker 1: ever cried editing a film yourself? Like? Do you move
Speaker 1: yourself together? So good? One of my country? No, I've
Speaker 1: got to say, though, good acting does though. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know Pete Mullen for example, in Sancho Relief. I
Speaker 1: remember when I was editing there was a thing that
Speaker 1: I was unaware of that happened on the set that
Speaker 1: he that he did that you find in the edit
Speaker 1: that you you know, when you're going through assembling things
Speaker 1: and people was calling responses. It were, you know, people's
Speaker 1: reaction to other actors or other characters and just taking
Speaker 1: a little bit of music that it was his little
Speaker 1: bit of signature music and putting it under certain look
Speaker 1: that he gives and it just didn't transformed it. And
Speaker 1: you definitely get the fields. You definitely get months and
Speaker 1: whether that's because you're so invested in it and you
Speaker 1: want that to be what it is, or you managed
Speaker 1: to see so much that you're then detached hopefully enough
Speaker 1: to go is this working as an emotional beat and
Speaker 1: is hitting the right But but Malon for me, he
Speaker 1: just disappointed where he looks at his daughter in the hospital.
Speaker 1: She's there and he's and he's surprised to see her
Speaker 1: and he's just super happy, and it's just but that
Speaker 1: was the power of his actors. He's a phenomenal and
Speaker 1: he is so good. And so there's things like that
Speaker 1: that happened which are really satisfying, because you don't know
Speaker 1: if that's going to carry you don't you don't know
Speaker 1: if it's just like wishful thinking or the desire for
Speaker 1: it to be that, but that certainly is a real
Speaker 1: treasured and great moment that you know. It's like when
Speaker 1: he when he came into the booth to sing his
Speaker 1: song Oh Jean, which he sings at Akayley his twenty
Speaker 1: fifth Women Anniversary, so all the actors have to come
Speaker 1: into the studio and sing their song, you know, and
Speaker 1: he came in and he had his then girlfriend with
Speaker 1: his own wife, I'm with him, and he just went
Speaker 1: in the booth and she stood in the control room
Speaker 1: and he sung it once and he just looked at
Speaker 1: her the whole time when he sang it to the
Speaker 1: glass and she just had tears and running down her
Speaker 1: face and he just was he was just warm and
Speaker 1: open and smiling at her and just sunny, just grounded
Speaker 1: or gene or Gene. Oh, he just sort of like
Speaker 1: ground his way from his dog and it like Tom
Speaker 1: waits us and she just in a tear rolled out
Speaker 1: and it was beauty. Was like one take. I was like, great,
Speaker 1: that's what we need, that's that's what we're doing. It
Speaker 1: was so good and and so and so it's sort
Speaker 1: of imbibed with that that emotion for me. Anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were plays play place, what what what's the film
Speaker 1: that you love? Most people don't like it's not critically acclaimed,
Speaker 1: but you're like, fuck you are this is the way Ah,
Speaker 1: that's the My god. I don't know it's critically acclaimed though,
Speaker 1: because Paddington two is pretty fucking good. It's delivers it's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's not meant for me. It's incredible. It's not meant
Speaker 1: for me, I don't think. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: meant the world. It's meant for the world. It's a gift, yeah,
Speaker 1: because Grant is just having the time of his life.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you could put it in
Speaker 1: he's so good. I don't know if you could put
Speaker 1: it in that category, Like no, no, that's that's a
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure. That's what it is. Listen, if the queen's
Speaker 1: watching Paddington, we're all all right, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: What about Jem Kelly, Yeah, there you go, living Newton John.
Speaker 1: That's like a great trap as well as like a
Speaker 1: worm in your brain. Now you're too a kid. I
Speaker 1: get there because I'm old school old. I remember it
Speaker 1: came out. Wow, this is rummish note, it's glorious. It's
Speaker 1: that's a perfect gene. Kenny's last films, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: jeans movies, man, I think if not his last, I
Speaker 1: don't have to google that. I wonder if it's his
Speaker 1: last film. Was it like seventy six or something like that.
Speaker 1: You must be with seventy six, seventy seven, let me
Speaker 1: have I'm going to do that for you. It was
Speaker 1: We have Got Time for Such seventy nine, Got Such
Speaker 1: Rabbit Holes ninety eight? Yeah, okay, wow, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: must have been one of his last films. Love him well,
Speaker 1: I love him, love him. Yeah. It's always uh fair Weather.
Speaker 1: It's always fair Weather. It's a great film. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always fair Weather. They're they're savors again, that's what sonachi. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the one with its father. It's got because friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're old friends. And then they finish. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: just one day they see each other twenty years later,
Speaker 1: tennies Eater and they're all different and it's great. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of ankers Away okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is
Speaker 1: the film you used to love but you've watched it
Speaker 1: recently and you thought, oh, this does not hold up
Speaker 1: for me. For whatever? Isn't it maybe just personal might
Speaker 1: not be the film's bad, but your feelings are different.
Speaker 1: That is tricky again. I mean I wrote, you know
Speaker 1: when I wrote a flip banswer, which is like carry
Speaker 1: any carry on film, you know that that you know
Speaker 1: at the time when you watched it in if it's time,
Speaker 1: it was like it was a great You'd sit with
Speaker 1: your family and you'd laugh at you Nan and Kenneth
Speaker 1: Williams and you know, Poultry and all these guys. But
Speaker 1: then if you just go back and look at now,
Speaker 1: oh man, you know, I remember going to see the
Speaker 1: Rising Damp movie. When I was at the cinema. There
Speaker 1: was a rising, you know, because that was what the
Speaker 1: British cinema used to do. If if if a sitcoms
Speaker 1: doing well, they'd make a film of it and you'd
Speaker 1: go see it. Robin's Nest, Rising Damp, all the carry
Speaker 1: on stuff. Why the ones were there, blessed this house,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were. They all got a stepped on
Speaker 1: Sunrise step on. One of the first films I was
Speaker 1: in was stepped on some film. Yeah, We're dining of doors. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's when I'm sixty years old. That was yeah, Tyne
Speaker 1: the Doors. Yeah, that was the first job I did.
Speaker 1: I was like one of the kids. Yeah yeah, the
Speaker 1: doors stepped on some rides again. It's the one about
Speaker 1: he's got a blind greyhound, put glasses on it and
Speaker 1: it suddenly starts when you I mean, but that for
Speaker 1: me stands up when I watched Genius. But the Caravan
Speaker 1: feels like But you can't help but love those things
Speaker 1: because they're part of our collective history. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And but they're just so
Speaker 1: of the time. I suppose you could put them in
Speaker 1: it it's own little little but they are obviously you know,
Speaker 1: they're obviously what i'd be problematic, but but they're also
Speaker 1: really good. They are so wild watching what yeah yeah
Speaker 1: he did he just grow a monster for a finger
Speaker 1: of another monster. I remember. That is such a natty idea,
Speaker 1: you know, carry on screaming and carry on the seas
Speaker 1: they touched and everything they did it all. If you
Speaker 1: watch it, you watched them as the kids, didn't you
Speaker 1: it was not out yet great. All the jokes went
Speaker 1: over our heads, didn't really get pulled. The innuendo they
Speaker 1: used to have like a when I was a little
Speaker 1: there was like a compilation show that was one like
Speaker 1: carry on laughing, and it was just yeah, yeah, together, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't know what else. It doesn't stand up.
Speaker 1: It's tricky because you're gonna piss someone off. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't have to. Yeah, I'm wanna. I I'm gonna. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stick with that for my answer. Okay, here's what
Speaker 1: is the film that means the most to you. Not
Speaker 1: necessarily the film itself is good, but the experience you
Speaker 1: had seeing the film will always make it special. There's
Speaker 1: a film called Underground by a mere Costa Rizza, which
Speaker 1: winner yes, yes, frantastic. And there's another film is actually
Speaker 1: called Black Cat, Whitecat, which I really loved. I really
Speaker 1: love both of these films because it was around the
Speaker 1: time I was getting with my wife, Arlia, who was Lithuanian,
Speaker 1: and she spent time time to theater director. We were
Speaker 1: working together in the theater she was directing and I
Speaker 1: was in it. Over twenty five years ago, and I
Speaker 1: was at a particular place in my life where I
Speaker 1: sort of had certainly given up on any any sort
Speaker 1: of serious pursuit of my acting career. I was convinced
Speaker 1: that I was, you know, I was washed up at
Speaker 1: twenty seven or whatever, and and and and anyway, I
Speaker 1: ended up doing this this theater piece, The Old Red Lion,
Speaker 1: with Dahlia and she came from the old Russian school
Speaker 1: of directing, and it was an incredibly newer, exciting person
Speaker 1: in my life. That said. Oh, I went and spent
Speaker 1: some time on the set of a Mere Costa Rica's
Speaker 1: film Underground and it came out and I had not
Speaker 1: really spent any time watching foreign films, you know, or
Speaker 1: I had no idea who he was or and so
Speaker 1: we went and saw it and it just it was
Speaker 1: just so beautiful and brilliant and involving, and that I
Speaker 1: think that might have moved me. It's about go underground
Speaker 1: during the war and then come up forty years later,
Speaker 1: and I think it's saying more. It's a brilliant film,
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful and lyrical and poetic and visually stunning,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, wow film. And so she
Speaker 1: kind of was a big part in unlocking or, you know,
Speaker 1: my kind of adult world, you know, because when I
Speaker 1: was sort of trapped to my child world, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I had so much success as a
Speaker 1: kid from six onwards. Yeah, yeah, that I didn't exactly
Speaker 1: and that becomes sort of debilitating, that that early success
Speaker 1: becomes the thing that I kind of got locked in
Speaker 1: and she and so that opened me up to the
Speaker 1: world of like, study, look at things. There's stuff to
Speaker 1: look at, don't just not don't just sit around waiting
Speaker 1: for him to happen. And that it was a huge
Speaker 1: turning point for me. But and that was a great film.
Speaker 1: But there's a film called Black Cat, Whitecat that he
Speaker 1: made that I just absolutely love. Was about this gipsy
Speaker 1: kid and this girl, and you know, it's a very
Speaker 1: simple film, but it's beautiful. And so those films are
Speaker 1: very special to me. That's a really really good answer,
Speaker 1: and you're going to get ten points for it, Okay, story,
Speaker 1: all right, go to see Black Cat, Whitecat. It's brilliant.
Speaker 1: I think you really I think you really love it.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's funny, and there's this great great gangsters
Speaker 1: in it who are just ridiculous but brilliant and very threatening.
Speaker 1: I'm very funny, but they're scary, these these That's what
Speaker 1: What is the film that you must relate to? I
Speaker 1: suppose Singing in the Rain would be a good answer
Speaker 1: to that. It's a strange kind of way I see
Speaker 1: that that dignity always dignity things because it's fun in it.
Speaker 1: But you know, you've got to be able to know
Speaker 1: that it's ridiculous and kind of but it does at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's it brings so much for so
Speaker 1: many you know, but but that's not what the important
Speaker 1: thing is. Important thing is how you enjoy it. And
Speaker 1: and just there's a there's a real thing. And and
Speaker 1: I honestly thought this in your I hate Susan because
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you act for a while and you're
Speaker 1: you know, it's just one episode right off, I hate
Speaker 1: say yeah, yeah yeah. And it's the same as comes
Speaker 1: across in Rocketman, the same that comes across in in
Speaker 1: all your work and in the offer, even just seeing
Speaker 1: the offer, is that it is full of joy, like
Speaker 1: there is a real life and love in all the
Speaker 1: stuff you do, including you as a person. That's really
Speaker 1: good things. Yeah, yeah, I do. I mean I maybe
Speaker 1: it is that part of me, you know you that
Speaker 1: was as a kid, that was the place where I
Speaker 1: go where you know, to Anashurs, which is you know,
Speaker 1: just the drama club at Islings and fifty years ago
Speaker 1: that everything was allowed, all the things that you weren't
Speaker 1: really supposed to be doing running around, climbing, shout in
Speaker 1: pretending whatever it was all the things that that were
Speaker 1: in the real world, like sit down, shut up, don't
Speaker 1: do that. There's not the time. This was the time
Speaker 1: and place for that, and so and there's there's a
Speaker 1: kind of freedom and funding that. And so I suppose
Speaker 1: the set or the world still allows me to connect
Speaker 1: to that feeling. And so I do. I fucking love it.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure you're the same. You know, you can't
Speaker 1: say with it that's doesn't have that feeling as well.
Speaker 1: It's the part of the its there's key to its
Speaker 1: success as well, that there's that absolute joy. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can tell where every fucking like you say you're loving it,
Speaker 1: and it's like that, that's but you've created this character,
Speaker 1: you've created this world, you've created these people, these stories
Speaker 1: that oh, yeah, that'll bring a lot of job. But
Speaker 1: aside from that, you're loving it. You're having a good hold.
Speaker 1: You guys look like you're and that's real. That's not
Speaker 1: lost on us. It's not like, oh, you went to work.
Speaker 1: It's like the best fucking time of my life, right,
Speaker 1: that's if that's lost on you. Then you're not. You're
Speaker 1: not the best time of your life. You're but it
Speaker 1: seems like you you you seem to have been working
Speaker 1: since you were six, in whatever capacity, and you don't
Speaker 1: appear to have become jaded or you've It's very clear.
Speaker 1: And the brief time I with you and when I
Speaker 1: spoke with you on the phone is like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, here's a guy who fucking appreciates it.
Speaker 1: You're not taking any of it for granted. It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem it's not like no, no, no, no, no. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you you know better than that? You can't. But
Speaker 1: I know people I know, I know jade, people who right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen yeah, yeah, I've seen that and I and
Speaker 1: I never got that, I never I mean yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like we all are are looking for a way to
Speaker 1: be happy. You know, being happy is not a given,
Speaker 1: you know, that's always the everyone wants that. That's what
Speaker 1: this seems like. The internal fucking struggle living in a
Speaker 1: society is about how am I happy? But I do.
Speaker 1: I remember being in the theater when I was a
Speaker 1: kid and there were some old actors there and oh god,
Speaker 1: this fucking play. Oh god, you know more Henry the Fourth.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's like three hours a night. That's
Speaker 1: a top three hours a night, and I've been doing
Speaker 1: it for six months. So yeah, some people work in
Speaker 1: the fucking chicken factory for sixty years and doing the
Speaker 1: same every day, and like we're complaining. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and climb in the fly rieg and
Speaker 1: see what's up there, and you know, I just fuck
Speaker 1: off or go and explore, you know, backstage or something
Speaker 1: then because you could. And who doesn't want to see
Speaker 1: behind the curtain? Well, you know it's like you say,
Speaker 1: I work in films and said, oh great, you want
Speaker 1: to come and visit the set? Yeah, everyone, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get there, and they brought out of their mind. Everyone
Speaker 1: wants to see. Yeah nothing, you will see nothing happening
Speaker 1: for a very long time. But you do the same
Speaker 1: thing over and over again. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Didn't
Speaker 1: you didn't you just do this bit? Yeah, we'll do
Speaker 1: it again, speaking it happy? What is the sexiest thing
Speaker 1: we've ever seen? And may before you answer, may I
Speaker 1: confess that it occurred to me yesterday when thinking I
Speaker 1: was doing this with you, that you might be in
Speaker 1: one of my answers to this question, which is the
Speaker 1: Rachel interesting which was incredibly formative for me and I
Speaker 1: think one of the same. Well, yeah, I don't remember
Speaker 1: not feeling very sexy when we did it. I mean,
Speaker 1: she was very beautiful and it still is as far
Speaker 1: as I understand, But there was. There's a film called
Speaker 1: If with Lindsay Anderson's idio We've wrappened without Yeah, I
Speaker 1: actually strange answer, but there's a bit we meet this
Speaker 1: girl and they go ride and try and motor bikes
Speaker 1: around and she rides to this on the top of
Speaker 1: this motorbike and I remember that being on first like, oh, hello,
Speaker 1: that's fun, sexy, that was cool as hell. I remember
Speaker 1: that was what if You're one of the first times, Yeah,
Speaker 1: films can be sex. That was that was really sexy
Speaker 1: and I found that really and the Witches of Eastwick
Speaker 1: as well. I yeah, well John Candy in stripes wrestling
Speaker 1: with those girls in the mud. Have you ever seen that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's fun. The list comes on, ye, Rachel. Rachel papers
Speaker 1: is also all the all the sexy stuff. It's very uh,
Speaker 1: it's quite if I may say, it's sort of quite lovely.
Speaker 1: It's quite lovely stuff. Yeah, it's really for a long time,
Speaker 1: it's quite lovely scenes of love making in it, like
Speaker 1: it's not it's yeah, it's great. It was very It's
Speaker 1: the first love scenes I've done, and it was very uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and I felt I really felt for I only because
Speaker 1: it wasn't like the days of clothes sets particularly and
Speaker 1: R and it just it wasn't so bad for me.
Speaker 1: But she was eighteen, you know, and yeah, and I
Speaker 1: mean I was only twenty two. It wasn't like you
Speaker 1: were older than her. Yeah, just a couple of years
Speaker 1: not I mean you know, yeah, yeah, but the story
Speaker 1: or younger or grown up bibles yeah, yeah, oh yes, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but she was only eighteen. But I do remember feeling
Speaker 1: for because obviously between sets and stuff, I'm just laying
Speaker 1: there in bed and yeah, it was just kind of
Speaker 1: awkward and and I don't know, so whenever I watch it,
Speaker 1: that's what I remember. I remember. Yeah, it's not I
Speaker 1: don't have the I'm not removed enough from it too.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it for a long time. Maybe I
Speaker 1: watch it go, oh my god, that's lovely. Yeah, well god,
Speaker 1: I didn't know she was eighteen that makes that sort
Speaker 1: of makes it feel a bit different. Yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you were probably that age when you watched it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well there you go. Yeah yeah, so that's all right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all all right. Bounces out. So what's about? There's
Speaker 1: a subcategory traveling is worrying? Why dones a film you
Speaker 1: found a rousing you weren't sure you should e the
Speaker 1: Rachel papers. Yeah, I don't know. I could not answer
Speaker 1: this one. I've got that one because isn't everything permissible?
Speaker 1: It is? It is if you if you're very comfortable
Speaker 1: with everything, then that's a great if you have no
Speaker 1: no shameful bonus. Yeah, no, I don't remember. I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have one that I'm like because all these
Speaker 1: things I wrote downs, like Weird Science, Kathleen Turner and
Speaker 1: The Man with Two Brains. Yeah, you know, just these
Speaker 1: incredible women that stand Michelle fire for and scarface. But
Speaker 1: it's like that's all good. Yeah, okay. One is objectively
Speaker 1: the greatest film of all type. It might not be
Speaker 1: your favorite, but it's the pinnacle of cinema. So hard man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say Singing in the Rain
Speaker 1: and it's your it's yours as well. Probably no, you can,
Speaker 1: you can, you can, but that that is so personal
Speaker 1: as well. I also want to say Godfather too, but
Speaker 1: that feels like a really obvious answer, but maybe it's
Speaker 1: the answer I should give as ultimately I'm here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let people know that the offer of about the making
Speaker 1: us a good father available to stream compared. But it's yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: I know. I know. That's why I thought I'd get
Speaker 1: away with a little bit more of a exactly. I mean,
Speaker 1: look too is fantastic because I just think it's so
Speaker 1: the scale of it is so good, and we're in
Speaker 1: two different timelines and that's good. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: like anyone, you know, anyone says what's your favorite film?
Speaker 1: It's different on Monday from what it is on Friday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I would never do this podcast. It's insane that
Speaker 1: you can I do it and ask you these questions. Right,
Speaker 1: you're dead, dead. We could talk about the death stuff,
Speaker 1: but I don't. Such a brain out through your eyeball.
Speaker 1: It was playful and long and protracted, and then it
Speaker 1: inhabited your body like a parasite for many months and
Speaker 1: made you go around and everyone everyone you love. I've
Speaker 1: just invented the most horrible death for you. So then
Speaker 1: by the time I actually died, once the alia left me,
Speaker 1: everyone was like, good, I'm glad he was dead. He
Speaker 1: was so rude, they complete asshole, like it's like six
Speaker 1: months when he was just a complete brick was quick
Speaker 1: and painless, bombs asleep. What happened? Brilliant mind, that's a
Speaker 1: pretty good death day. Okay, you're can have gune fun
Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, God, I thought I just turned happen
Speaker 1: and that made me scared. What is the film that
Speaker 1: you could or have watched the most over and over again?
Speaker 1: Well again, we're coming back to the perennial Singing in
Speaker 1: the Rain. I have watched the incredible amount of times
Speaker 1: and Scarfaces another one that I've watched, the hell of
Speaker 1: a lot. Scarfaces, I've gone, I've gone, I've gone back
Speaker 1: to him. If it's on, I can stop them and
Speaker 1: whatever I'm doing and watch that very happily. It's one
Speaker 1: of them rare, amazing. Yeah, it's a rare three hour
Speaker 1: film that genuinely doesn't feel three hours. It never is boring,
Speaker 1: it it races along, it's it's always surprises me how
Speaker 1: long that film is for how it feels and that
Speaker 1: is you know. Yeah. Another thing like that for me
Speaker 1: is The Color of Money. Yeah, because I love Newman
Speaker 1: in it. I just and I love that journey he
Speaker 1: goes on when he says at the end, I'm back bang,
Speaker 1: you know, And I just fucking I love that feeling
Speaker 1: that he gives me. I love that. And Cruise is
Speaker 1: just fucking brilliant in it. It's like it's that part
Speaker 1: for him at that point in his career. Who is
Speaker 1: It's like and Mary Elizabeth as well. Again it's just
Speaker 1: all just such powerful performances and and how it's a
Speaker 1: beautifully shot. So I mean, but that again, it's that
Speaker 1: list is powerful. I'd happily watched The Incredibles over and
Speaker 1: over again as well. That's great, That's very great. Now,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be negative. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be negative, but we'll do it quickly. What's the worst film?
Speaker 1: You know? Back in nineteen seventy seven, when I was
Speaker 1: eleven years old, there was a half turn and me
Speaker 1: and my mates when I used to go wood Green
Speaker 1: in mate Ernie mccoon and my other mate film Synder,
Speaker 1: and we'd go to wood Green Odion and we found
Speaker 1: that the fire exit was open with bunk so we
Speaker 1: spent bunking in to see The Amazing Spider Man nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy seven. Wow right TV, Yes, by a man And
Speaker 1: there was a film of that, Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: on They put it on at half time because obviously
Speaker 1: when all the kids goes, yeah and we've got bunked
Speaker 1: in and go and see him. It must have seen
Speaker 1: about six seven, eight nine times. I think I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't watch this film any because we just loved
Speaker 1: the fact that we bunked into the cinema. That was
Speaker 1: like that made us cool in our eyes at eleven
Speaker 1: years old. But the film's so bad. And I even
Speaker 1: watched the trailer for it yesterday. If you can find it,
Speaker 1: I recommend it. And then I watched the trailer for it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, the doing these stunts for real?
Speaker 1: I mean, guys are swinging from tall buildings. They can't
Speaker 1: do it like we do it. Now. There's a fucking
Speaker 1: stunt man on a rope. Yes, we were very loose,
Speaker 1: very loose. He's really skinny as well. He's like and
Speaker 1: he never takes the mask off. You never see his face. Actually,
Speaker 1: this may bee genius, so respectively but I remember the
Speaker 1: time I hate this film. You know, you eat too
Speaker 1: many marshmallows. You're going to eating marshmallows. But this Amazing
Speaker 1: Spider Man. So I wasn't going to say the Amazing
Speaker 1: Spider Man and Piole what But it's the nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: seven Yeah, much like version which you've talked to yourself
Speaker 1: in to be the greatest film of all. Take what really?
Speaker 1: I watch these guys were doing it. What you be
Speaker 1: interested to know what other people come up with him
Speaker 1: that anyway? But oh tell me this what what is
Speaker 1: the funniest what's the film made you laughter? Maxt Maybe
Speaker 1: not the funniest. I'll tell you what makes me laughs.
Speaker 1: His semi bro Will Farrell owns a basketball team in seventies.
Speaker 1: It's very funny. That's that's for me. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It just makes me laugh. And he has this song
Speaker 1: that he's made up called Lovely Sexy, which is like
Speaker 1: this funk song. And he made a bit of money
Speaker 1: and he buys a basketball team. It's like Setting Detroit
Speaker 1: or something, Unite and seventy and he is just his
Speaker 1: standard you know, Romberg, he kind of but he has
Speaker 1: like a big curly effort throwing it and in his
Speaker 1: basketball and he does. He keeps all his ridiculous publicity
Speaker 1: stunts too to keep it going. It's just just make
Speaker 1: me how we laugh. It was very funny. It's probably
Speaker 1: not the greatest dance. No, you can absolutely have it.
Speaker 1: It's not come up before. Dexter Fletcher, you have been
Speaker 1: beyond a joy and I knew you'd be great, and
Speaker 1: I found this absolutely delightful. However, when you went through
Speaker 1: a time portal and you went to bed to have
Speaker 1: a nice sleep, and while you were asleep, a jet
Speaker 1: engine fell out of the sky, fell through your roof
Speaker 1: and killed you instantly. I was walking, I was walking
Speaker 1: by with a coffin, you know what. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: just strolling around. Yeah, and I see this jet edges
Speaker 1: crushed this house and your family there, and they're all
Speaker 1: wondering around. Everyone's fine, but they're like what Dexter, And
Speaker 1: I said, I think he's actually under the old jet engine.
Speaker 1: And so we all roll the jet engine out the
Speaker 1: way and there's this echo of your echo echo, Dexter.
Speaker 1: To go around anyway, you're flat as a fucking pancake.
Speaker 1: I have to get an industrial digger. I have to
Speaker 1: break up the concrete bits of metal. It's a fucking mess. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I pile all the bits into a coffin. It's all right, mate,
Speaker 1: it's my pleasure. Anyway. I fill the coffin, but it's
Speaker 1: it's full. It's absolutely rammed. There's very little room in
Speaker 1: this coffin. Other than there's enough room that I can
Speaker 1: slip one DVD into the side for you to take
Speaker 1: across to the other side. And on the other side,
Speaker 1: it's movie nighte every night. What film are you taking
Speaker 1: to say? Your two million versions of your Wife in
Speaker 1: the heaven and it's your movie. Note, Dexter, flect, I'm
Speaker 1: taking Singing in the Rain, That's what I'm taking, I answer.
Speaker 1: That's why I have to stick with my My Mother
Speaker 1: is one of the great joyous films of all time.
Speaker 1: Got to Dance, it's it's it's going to deliver every time, Dexter.
Speaker 1: Other than the offer, which is excellent and on paramount plus,
Speaker 1: is there anything we should be listening to looking out
Speaker 1: for a watching of you to come? I haven't seen
Speaker 1: in Dungeons and Dragons, where I play a diminutive man,
Speaker 1: I've not seen it play a small Man, but no,
Speaker 1: I just I just finishooting the Ghosted with with Chris
Speaker 1: Evans and Arms, which I'm editing that would be out
Speaker 1: at some point next year. Amazing. I've got high hopes
Speaker 1: so that it's a lot of fun again. It is
Speaker 1: fun and they're wonderful together. But my guest, the Prince
Speaker 1: in ted Lesson, watch out for that. Yeah. Thanks to
Speaker 1: what a fucking enjoy. Thank you so much for your
Speaker 1: I knew it would be when we spoke on the phone.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love this guy, I love you,
Speaker 1: I love you. So that was episode two hundred and six.
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Speaker 1: thing to read. Marian loves it. I love it too.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you all for listening. Thank
Speaker 1: you to Dexter for giving us his time stream his
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Speaker 1: the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it.
Speaker 1: Thanks to a Cars for hosting it, thanks to Adam
Speaker 1: Richardson for the graphics and least Aliden for the photography.
Speaker 1: Come join me next week for another cracking guest on here.
Speaker 1: I hope you're all well. So that is it for now.
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