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That's ever since Donald 27 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: Trump returned to the White House in January from the 28 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: suggestion to strip naturalized citizens of their citizenship status. 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: A memo out this week outlines how the administration plans 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: to denaturalize some citizens and remove them from the country. 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: To undoing more than one hundred and fifty years of 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: a constitutional right to US citizenship if you're born in 33 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: this country. 34 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: So thanks to this decision, we can now properly file 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: to proceed with these numerous policies and those that have 36 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: been wrongly enjoined in a nationwide basis, including birthright citizenship. 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 4: To deporting immigrants without due process. 38 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 5: President Trump and his borders are Tom Homan said the 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 5: mass deportation of migrants in this country illegally would begin 40 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 5: with dangerous criminals, the worst of the worst, they said. 41 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 6: But CBS News has learned that among hundreds of alleged 42 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 6: gang members deported this past week to El Salvador was 43 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 6: a Venezuelan migrant with a job and no criminal record. 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 6: In the process of seeking asylum. 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 4: Including to countries they're not even from. 46 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 7: Up administration has deported eight migrants to South Sudan. They 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 7: were held at a military base in Djibouti for weeks. 48 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 1: These and other unparalleled acts have led to more than 49 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: three one hundred lawsuits against the Trump administration. So far, 50 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: several of those cases have been filed by the American 51 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: Civil Liberties Union. The Union, commonly referred to, of course, 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: as the ACLU, is the largest nonprofit organization in the 53 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: US dedicated to providing legal assistance in the protection of 54 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: everyone's civil rights. Today I'm in conversation with its leader, 55 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: Anthony Romero. 56 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 8: They'll fight us tooth and nail and will succeed because 57 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 8: we know how to do this. We've been doing this 58 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 8: for one hundred and five years. 59 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: Prometo is a Puerto Rican civil rights attorney. He's been 60 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: the executive director of the ACLU since two thousand and one, 61 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: the longest tenure ever for a leader of the organization. 62 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: Rometto is also the first Latino and the first openly 63 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: gay man to lead the ACLU. From his position at 64 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: the helm of a number of historic legal battles in 65 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: this country. 66 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: Rometro is going to. 67 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: Offer us his unique perspective about what we're facing, what's 68 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: to come, and why he's urging every single one of 69 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: us to do something. From Futuro Media, It's Latino USA. 70 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm Maria no Josa today a conversation with anthonyro Metro, 71 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 1: executive director of the ACLU. He's going to talk about 72 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: some of the most pressing civil rights issues we're facing 73 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: as a country today under Donald Trump's second term. Anthonyro Metro, 74 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: you know I often call you Tony. I feel like 75 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: I know you enough that I can do that. Welcome 76 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: back to Latino USA. 77 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 9: Great to be back, Maria, So happy to be back 78 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 9: with you. 79 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: For more than a hundred years, the ACLU has literally 80 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: been at the center of protecting not just mine or yours, 81 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean everyone's civil liberties. They participated in more Supreme 82 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: Court cases than any other private organization in the country. 83 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: Of course, what many people don't know is that it 84 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: is a gay Puerto Rican man who has been at 85 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: the helm of the ACLU for almost twenty five years. 86 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: So that means, Anthony, that you've had a front row 87 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: seat to some of the most critical legal battles of 88 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: our lifetime. You have led the ACLU through four US presidents. 89 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: You have challenged policies from every single one of those 90 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: presidents in court. So today, Anthony, how would you describe 91 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: where we stand in terms of civil rights. 92 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 8: It's often hard to keep track of the full assault 93 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 8: on civil liberties, civil rights, on our democracy. So I've 94 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 8: come up with three big buckets of what keep me 95 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 8: up at night and what is really concerning. In bucket 96 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 8: number one, you have the targeting of individuals and institutions 97 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 8: that are the political nemesies of Trump's maga ideology. 98 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 9: Right. 99 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 8: These are the law firms that he's going after because 100 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 8: they were engaged in a lawful DEI. This is the 101 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 8: targeting of Harvard and Columbia because they felt that they 102 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 8: were seed beds of the quote quoke ideology. This is 103 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 8: where you would put some of the students who they're 104 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 8: endeavoring to deport because they don't agree with their political ideologies, 105 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 8: especially around Palestine and Israel. This is like our client 106 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 8: Mahmoud Khalil or roumezo oaster who the garment has picked 107 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 8: up incognito agents, picking them up and then trying to 108 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 8: deport them. 109 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 9: Bucket number two is. 110 00:06:53,760 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 8: The targeting of politically weak groups to score cheap points. 111 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 8: And here you've got to put in the attack on immigrants, 112 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 8: the Stephen Miller crusade against Latinos, against immigrants of all 113 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 8: walks of life. The kind of the anti immigrant agenda 114 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 8: feels like it's a way for them to curry favor 115 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 8: with the mega constituents and the MAGA supporters. I would 116 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 8: add in here the transgender community. The political process cannot 117 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 8: defend their rights and liberties unless groups like ours from 118 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 8: the courts stand up for them. And the third bucket 119 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 8: is the targeting of the norms and institutions that comprise 120 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 8: our democratic process and are the undergirding of our system 121 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 8: of checks and balances. The effort to run rough shod 122 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 8: over judges, the efforts to kind of get completely into 123 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 8: Congress's lane, the efforts to shut down members of the media, 124 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 8: that shameful settlement between Paramount and Trump Right. 125 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 7: Paramount has agreed to pay Donald Trump sixteen million dollars 126 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 7: to settle a lawsuit over a sixty minutes interview with 127 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 7: his former presidential opponent Kamala Harris. Mister Trump alleged that 128 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 7: the interview, which aired one month before the twenty twenty 129 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 7: four election, was selectively edited to improve how then Vice 130 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 7: President Harris sounded. CBS denied that. 131 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 8: A case they would have won a case had they 132 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 8: had the gumption to fight it, right, So that's really 133 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 8: undercutting the independence of our media, which is such an 134 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 8: important part of our system of checks and balance as 135 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 8: a fourth estate. So those are ways in which I 136 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 8: organize myself, and then that's kind of like my dashboard, 137 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 8: and then I keep thinking what can we do in 138 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 8: each one of these different areas to make a difference. 139 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: The fact is that what we are seeing now, Anthony, 140 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: in terms of violations of human rights. People are being 141 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: picked up, They're shipping people around into quote unquote third 142 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: countries like South Sudan, El Salvador in the case of 143 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: Kima Abrigo Garcia without due process. Of course, Kima is 144 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: now saying about his treatment inside that he was tortured 145 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: in conditions that are just horrific and essentially, Anthony, it 146 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: could happen to anyone. 147 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 8: Now, Trump started this anti immigrant effort as a way 148 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 8: that he was going to target criminals and the worst 149 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 8: of the worst, the de Aragua right, and we brought 150 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 8: that suit right on behalf of the one hundred and 151 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 8: thirty men who were shipped off from the States to 152 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 8: the gulag in El Salvador. And part of what we 153 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 8: learned is that we knew that he had invoked the 154 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 8: Alien Enemies Act in secret, and then we knew that 155 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 8: they were going to use that secret authority of this 156 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 8: act to remove these individuals without due process. Now, the 157 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 8: Alien Enemies Act seventeen ninety eight law. Last time we 158 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 8: used it to remove Germans who were on American soil 159 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 8: during World War Two, and we still gave the Germans 160 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 8: due process rights. The Alien Enemies Act was properly invoked 161 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 8: because we were indeed at war with Germany. We're not 162 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 8: at war with anybody, Maria. So this invocation of this power, 163 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 8: which it's really for these unique moments when the nation's 164 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 8: at war. And if we gave the Germans thirty days notice, 165 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 8: why are we giving them hours notice? Of our clients 166 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 8: who are being moved to a third country, none of 167 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 8: them able to contest the reasons why they're being deported. 168 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: Of course, Anthony, you and I have been saying this 169 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: for years, right, you should keep your eyes open. You know, 170 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: Ice and Border Patrol largest law enforcement agencies. They're growing. 171 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: There's lack of accountability. We're having to have conversations about denaturalization, 172 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: something that I've always under Trump been highly aware of. 173 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: I guess I should ask you how concerns should I be, Anthony. 174 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 9: I think we need to be concerned. 175 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 8: I don't think they'll be able to denaturalize American citizens 176 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 8: easily or readily. That's a process that doesn't give the 177 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 8: executive branch that power. 178 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 9: It's the saber rattling. 179 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 8: Which I find increasingly troublesome because it shows that they're 180 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 8: willing to run the galtlet at any cost unless they're stopped. 181 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 8: If they were to bring a case to try to 182 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 8: denaturalize an American citizen, we will challenge it, just like 183 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 8: we're challenging the birth's right citizenship. I think the place 184 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 8: where we're not able to stop them and we just 185 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 8: have to do triage is this escalation of the law 186 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 8: enforcement powers around the Department of Homeland Security. With the 187 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 8: new bill that was just passed, the BBB Appropriations Bill, right, 188 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 8: they're going to give so much money, one hundred and 189 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 8: seventy billion dollars to the Department of Homeland Security. It 190 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 8: will make that agency larger than the militaries, some of 191 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 8: the top five six militaries in the world. 192 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Coming up on Latino, USA, I continue my conversation with 193 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: Anthony Romero. We're going to talk about denaturalization, birthright citizenship, 194 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: and some of the major legal challenges to Trump's proposed 195 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: immigration policies. 196 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 4: Stay with us, Yes, hey, we're back. 197 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: Let's get back now to my conversation with ACLU Executive 198 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: director Anthony Romero. I want to come back to the 199 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: issue of denaturalization. You're saying it's going to get a 200 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: lot worse, but also hold on one second, it's not 201 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: going to be that easy. 202 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 9: It's not going to be that easy. 203 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 8: I mean, the revocation of US citizenship can only occur 204 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 8: with a judicial order, and you have to go through 205 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 8: civil proceedings or a criminal conviction for fraud around the 206 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 8: naturalization process. You have to show basically that people lied 207 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 8: or committed fraud as they applied for their US citizenship. 208 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 9: Right. It's not like the revocation of a green. 209 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 8: Card of a legal permanent residence where if people commit crimes, 210 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 8: you can more readily revoke a green card. Right once 211 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 8: you're a US citizen, it's really hard to revoke that, 212 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 8: And so anyone they try to denaturalize, we're going to 213 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 8: be all over it. 214 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 9: The fact is that they float these as. 215 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 8: Child balloons that Trump wants to denaturalize people as a 216 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 8: way to further in bolden the rest of his constituents, 217 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 8: and it's also to make the other parts of his 218 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 8: agenda look less unreasonable. So when you're as extreme as 219 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 8: saying we're going to denaturalize American citizens, Okay, don't do that, 220 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 8: but you can hold seven hundred and fifty thousand people 221 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 8: in these new detention centers. So it's moving the goal 222 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 8: post on us so that we begin to react to 223 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 8: the most extreme part when. 224 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 9: We're already in extreme situations right now. 225 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 4: Which leads me to something that happened recently. 226 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Laura Lumer, who is a right wing pundit close to 227 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, when FIREWL recently, she said that there will 228 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: be sixty five million meals for alligators. Alligators the reference 229 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: to the immigrant detention camp right in Florida that's being built. 230 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 10: Right in the middle of the sweltering heat of the 231 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 10: Florida Everglades, reports of mosquitoes the size of elephants, no 232 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 10: water to clean yourself, and food that has worms in it. 233 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 10: Those stomach churning details come from an inmate inside the 234 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 10: New Florida Immigration Detention Center known as Alligator Alcatraz and 235 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 10: this weekend. 236 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: And the number sixty five million is the number of 237 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: Latinos and Latinas in the United States. Right, there are 238 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: a number of more samples of blatant lies racism now 239 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: set out in the open. 240 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 4: Right. 241 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, Anthony, how have you historically seen the use 242 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: of dehumanizing language in terms of kind of a precursor 243 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: for attacking people's civil rights. 244 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 9: Well, that's part and parcel of what they do, right, 245 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 9: They that's why. 246 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 8: They use their dehumanizing words and their labels. And that's 247 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 8: why labels matter. Right, That's why illegal alien? What other 248 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 8: language could you use to kind of deny someone their 249 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 8: due process rights or equal protection under the law? 250 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 9: An illegal alien? 251 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 8: And so I think with Laura Lumer when she was 252 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 8: kind of saying that all of us are up for grabs, 253 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 8: I mean, this is where I'm saying. I think they 254 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 8: are so overreaching that we will harvest the people of 255 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 8: good hearts and minds who will say no, no, no, no, no, 256 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 8: that's going way too far. It's only been what six 257 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 8: months since the president took over. It's a very different 258 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 8: environment than the beginning of his term already. I mean, 259 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 8: there are three hundred and twenty five lawsuits. We have 260 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 8: about one hundred and thirty four legal actions against the 261 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 8: Trump administration. We've won on major cases, whether it's Alien 262 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 8: Enemies Act. I still think we went on birthright citizenship. 263 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 8: It shows you just how far they're willing to push. 264 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 8: And I think ultimately the dehumanization of our communities and 265 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 8: of our people and of our immigrant populations is got 266 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 8: to be part of their job because otherwise they're not 267 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 8: going to get good Americans to agree with their agenda. 268 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: Now, one of the cases you brought it up, Trump 269 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: is actively seeking to end citizenship for children who are 270 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: born to non citizen parents in the United States. I 271 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: want to talk about the most recent Supreme Court verdict 272 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: on this issue because it is confusing. Right, Yeah, give 273 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: us the layman's lame women's understanding of what happened with 274 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. 275 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: How concerning should this be. 276 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 8: Birthright citizenship for me is hollowed ground right in the 277 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 8: fourteenth Amendment. It is how we turned the children of 278 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 8: slaves into US citizens. It's also how this nation of 279 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 8: immigrants allowed for people to be all equal under the 280 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 8: law right. It's not just in the Constitution, it's also 281 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 8: in the statute. So I don't think we lose. I 282 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 8: will tell you I wasn't so sure they would be 283 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 8: that kind of brazen. 284 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 9: Right. 285 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 8: We were preparing all sorts of cases for his first day. 286 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 8: What would it be? What would it be? And then 287 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 8: I was able to have a conversation with someone and 288 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 8: I learned that, oh my god, they're actually going to 289 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 8: file an executive order to repeal birthright citizenship on day one. 290 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 8: And I remember coming back to the office and telling 291 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 8: Legal learn who's are one of our top lawyers, saying, 292 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 8: you got to get me that damn lawsuit ready. I 293 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 8: want to see it. I want to see the briefs. 294 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 8: I want to see the pleadings. We got to be 295 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 8: ready day one. And there was a whole debate. 296 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 9: Within the issue. 297 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 8: No, they're not going to do that, They're not going 298 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 8: to be that brazen, and yesterday they were so the 299 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 8: idea that they dared step on that hallowed ground a 300 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 8: nation of immigrants and fixing America's original sin for me 301 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 8: was indication that the gloves were off and they were 302 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 8: going to run the gounlet as far as they could. 303 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 8: Now birth Right said, what happened with the Supreme Court 304 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 8: just recently was this question of there were multiple lawsuits, 305 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 8: and the question was whether a federal judge and any 306 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 8: one of these jurisdictions should be able to issue what 307 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 8: they call a universal injunction that stops the policy from 308 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 8: being implemented across the country. Now, the Court went out 309 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 8: of its way to strike down universal injunctions. Within two 310 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 8: hours of the Supreme Court decision coming down, we filed 311 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 8: a nationwide class action lawsuit and they'll fight us tooth 312 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 8: and nail and will succeed because we know how to 313 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 8: do this. We've been doing this for one hundred and 314 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 8: five years. For a class action, you have to show 315 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 8: that there's a cohesion among the plaintiffs in the class, 316 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 8: that they're all similarly situated, that they all have a 317 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 8: similar harm, that they could all seek a similar remedy. 318 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 8: I promise you we'll get it done. They made it 319 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 8: harder for us. They're going to make it more time 320 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 8: consuming better. If those are the rules are going to 321 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 8: put to us, fine, we'll comply. 322 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 4: We'll be right back. Hey, we're back. 323 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: I know you remember this, Cable news networks were exploding 324 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: with the talk about Latino men, Latino men voting for Trump. 325 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: Latino men were the ones who did this. Latino men 326 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: handed the election to Donald Trump. And so what we 327 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: did here at Latino USA was that we created a 328 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: series called Ombre Understanding Latino Men, and we've been trying 329 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: to understand how it is that so many Latino men, 330 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: many of them children of immigrants, did in fact turn 331 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: right towards Donald Trump. 332 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: Give us your. 333 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: Sense in terms of why you think what was it 334 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: about Latino men in this moment in history that led 335 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 1: them to fall into what Donald Trump was selling. 336 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 8: Frankly, I think part of what happened is we lost 337 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 8: the narrative with working people who felt that they weren't 338 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 8: given a fresh shot. I have one of my family 339 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 8: members who I know voted for Trump, and we've had 340 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 8: a kind of a loving hard conversation about how can 341 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 8: that be and why would that have happened? And what 342 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 8: this person told me is like, look, I really want 343 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 8: my family and myself and my children to have the 344 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 8: chance of living an American dream, the ones in which 345 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 8: I believe in that you shouldn't have to go to college, 346 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 8: but I should be able to have a good job 347 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 8: and provide for my family and have safe schools and 348 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 8: what the old American dream was be able to provide 349 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 8: for your loved ones. 350 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 9: And for good or bad. 351 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 8: You know that a lot of people thought that the 352 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 8: Republican Party was going to be able to deliver on 353 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 8: that in much better ways than the Democrats. I think 354 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 8: ultimately those same groups of people are going to say, oh, no, 355 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 8: I didn't mean that. 356 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 9: You should deport all of these folks. I mean, look 357 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 9: at all this stuff that's going viral. 358 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 8: The lovely Latino was being chased by these ice agents 359 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 8: who's riving. 360 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 9: Two sons were Marines. 361 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: Masked Federal agents were films pinning a man to the 362 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: ground and repeatedly striking him in the head and neck 363 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: before putting him in an unmarked car. The man in 364 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: the video has been identified as a Narciso Baranco and 365 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: is the father of two active duty Marines and one 366 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 2: Marine veteran. He is currently being held in ice custody 367 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: according to a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson. 368 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 8: That got sent to me by like five people and like, 369 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 8: oh no, that's not what we mean. And I think 370 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 8: part of what's at play is to kind of remind 371 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 8: people that the American dream is for all of us 372 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 8: and to make sure it's within people's reach. I think 373 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 8: there are only a few people who are bad hearted, 374 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 8: evil people. I think most of the people who voted 375 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 8: with Donald Trump, there's still good people that we can 376 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 8: harvest that kind of that goodwill without a fight. 377 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: I know you hear this all the time, and I 378 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: travel around the country and people are like, I don't 379 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: know what to do. I'm giving up, there's nothing to do. 380 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: What do you want them to do. 381 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 8: I have no time for people who tell me that 382 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 8: they're worried but they don't want to do anything about it. 383 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 8: There is so much to do. At the ACLU, we 384 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 8: have this program called people Power. We have over thirteen 385 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 8: hundred people who will be trained tonight on know your 386 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 8: rights issues and how to take action if there's a 387 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 8: raid or a deportation, and. 388 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 9: We'll do them virtually. 389 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 8: Indivisible is doing amazing work at organizing marches and visits 390 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 8: in congressional districts. United We Dream is one of my 391 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 8: favorite organizations. They're building a whole new effort to help 392 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 8: the community have access to legal services and humanitarian assistants 393 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 8: that will be announced soon. There's groups like Democracy Forward 394 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 8: that are doing the litigation. 395 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: I think you're saying, don't wring your hands, but realize 396 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: you don't have to reinvent the wheel. Organizations exist. You 397 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: can be a part of them in multiple different ways. 398 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: Anything that we need to be paying attention to that 399 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: we might be missing, something that you're like, watch this please. 400 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 8: The one thing I am worried about, and I hope 401 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 8: I'm wrong, is that they will play the congressional card next. 402 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 9: Right, we've seen the Executive Order blitz. 403 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 8: Plt's number two has been the scaling up of deportations 404 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 8: and raids. The third one is or they still control 405 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 8: of the House and the Senate and the White House, 406 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 8: and I can expect them to want to change our 407 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 8: nation's immigration's laws, right, And that's what we have to 408 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 8: be ready to hold democrats accountable because too many of 409 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 8: the Democrats are going to try to roll over and 410 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 8: dance with the devil. And I think we have to 411 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 8: make sure we hold people accountable and make sure that 412 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 8: we don't allow them to fully rewrite the laws. 413 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: And the needro Metro. What's bringing you some joy? 414 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 9: I think what brings me joy the work is really meaningful. 415 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 9: I work a lot. I work almost seven days a week. 416 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 9: It's hard, but I love. 417 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 8: My job and I love the fact that we are 418 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 8: fighting for things that really matter to real people. 419 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 9: People always ask me, how do you stay optimistic? 420 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 8: If not that hope is a precursor to action. 421 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 9: Is the precursor to hope. 422 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 8: If you do something right, an act of kindness, if 423 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 8: you volunteer, if you support a nonprofit, if you support 424 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 8: your neighbors and help them through a hard point, if 425 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 8: you accompany them when. 426 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 9: They're afraid of what's happening. In the face of such. 427 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 8: Mendacity and meanness and vitriol and kind of the dehumanization 428 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 8: of the Trump administration, to just be kind, to be thoughtful, 429 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 8: to be engaged is the most flagrant defiance to an 430 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 8: agenda that is just trying to make us less human 431 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 8: than we are. 432 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 4: Don Antonio, Tony, Anthony. 433 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: Maria Getia, thank you for being in conversation with me 434 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: for Latino USA. 435 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 4: We really appreciate it. 436 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 9: It's been my sincere privilege and pleasure. 437 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 8: Maria, and I think the world of view will being 438 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 8: a tether. 439 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: That was the executive director of the ACLU, the American 440 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: Civil Liberties Union, Anthony Romero, dear listener. Two days after 441 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: we recorded this interview, on July eighth, a federal judge 442 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: certified the nationwide class action lawsuit that Anthony Romero spoke 443 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: about during our conversation. The judge temporarily blocked the implementation 444 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: of Trump's executive order that attempts to deny birthright citizenship 445 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: to babies born to non US citizens. Judge la Plant 446 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: said his decision was not a close call, and added 447 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: the deprivation of US citizenship and an abrupt change of 448 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: policy would cause irreparable harm. The pause the Trump administration 449 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: one week to appeal. No decision was announced by the 450 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: time this episode went to air. So here's what could happen. 451 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: If the court rules in favor of the Trump administration. 452 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: It would allow the federal government to begin enforcing the 453 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: executive order, But because there are currently twenty eight states 454 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: with pending litigation around the issue, the government would only 455 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: be able to begin enforcement of. 456 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 4: This law in about half of the country. Now. 457 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: If the court rules against the Trump administration, the government 458 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: would be blocked from enforcing Trump's executive order, and all 459 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: children born in the United States, regardless of their parents 460 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: immigration legal status, will continue to be granted US citizenship. 461 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: Now to be clear whether the Trump Administration's executive order 462 00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: is actually in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment and therefore unconstitutional, 463 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: that issue has not yet been taken up by the courts. 464 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: Latino USA will continue to report on the legal battle 465 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: around birthright citizenship. Our episode was produced by Julia Ta Martinelli. 466 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: It was edited by Andrea Lopez Grusado. It was mixed 467 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: by Julia Caruso. We recorded this script for this episode 468 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: in the studios of the Chicago Recording Company with help 469 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: from Aidan Kramer. The Latino USA team also includes Roxanna Guire, 470 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: Jessica Ellis, Victoria Estrada, Monica Morales Garcia, Renaldo Leanos Junior, 471 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: Stephanie Lebau, Luis, Luna Marta Martinez, JJ Carubin, and Nancy Trujillo. 472 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: Fernando Echavari is our managing editor. Benni Leiramirez and I 473 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: are executive producers. And I'm your host, Mariano Jsa. 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