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Speaker 1: It's official. It's mock Draft season. Welcome Bird Gang. On

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Speaker 1: today's show, Darren Urban joins me, Yeah, we'll get into

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Speaker 1: the championship Sunday and a second Eagles Chief Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: in three years. First though, which players are under consideration

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Speaker 1: with that sixteenth pick? Melcott for Junior and Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: and the mock draft season started? Also some news on

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eighty five,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Poda Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 2: What rent?

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Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's a ten half of five. He's it again, So

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Speaker 1: more hurry magic whow.

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Griolo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they say timing is everything, and it just kind

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Speaker 1: of worked out this way that we have the fortunate

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Speaker 1: pleasure of having Darren Urban on this edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: Because because you asked me, I just said, Hey, here's

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Speaker 2: the upcoming schedule, and then I saw my name on

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Speaker 2: this date.

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Speaker 1: Of course you could have you could have politely declined

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Speaker 1: or say, hey, this doesn't work out for me, Can

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Speaker 1: I pick a different day time? Look, you do have that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to stay on Craig's good side. That's all,

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Speaker 2: all right, We clip that.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that, coude. By the way, this off season, we

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Speaker 1: are going to have a season's worth of drops amongst

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Speaker 1: the different shows it might go into like twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: nine regular season.

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Speaker 2: Very excited about that, all right.

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Speaker 1: But timing mock draft season, yes, it is officially underway,

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Speaker 1: because I don't follow a lot of different mock drafts.

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Speaker 1: I know you're a big fan of mock drafts. That's

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Speaker 1: why I mentioned that this is the timing of everything.

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Speaker 1: But mock draft season. You do what a couple of

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Speaker 1: day do you want to do? Want to promote the website?

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Speaker 1: Let you look at and that's fun.

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Speaker 2: True. I tend to use the simulator on Pro Football

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Speaker 2: Focus and mostly because it's the easiest thing in the

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Speaker 2: world to do, and it's it's really cool to play

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Speaker 2: on like I do way too many of them. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I care that much about the results

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Speaker 2: all the time, but they're very It's it's an enjoyable

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Speaker 1: Really, I'll say this though. It does help, especially when

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Speaker 1: you have the sixteenth overall pick right in the middle

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Speaker 1: over and over. But when you have a later first

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Speaker 1: And I think it helps with that because I don't

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Speaker 1: I mean, I watch college football on Saturdays, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not big into all right, that's a pro prospect and

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Speaker 1: but are they pro level players that we talk frequently

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Speaker 2: I would agree with that. And already I've seen you know,

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Speaker 2: And then I've seen other stuff where like, yeah, they

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Speaker 2: these guys are good for the edges that are available,

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Speaker 2: but are they first round talents? I know, I saw

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Speaker 2: at some point some scouting type person who has does

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Speaker 2: stuff on the web, on the web, on social media

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Speaker 2: How does that manifest itself? What you know? And again,

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Speaker 2: What does it all mean? I mean, those are the

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Speaker 1: That's a great segue because there are a couple of

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Speaker 1: different individuals who I do follow as far as mock drafts.

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Speaker 1: Mal kyper Junior is one and Daniel Jeremiah is the other.

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Speaker 1: I think those at least for me, and maybe there

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Speaker 1: Alabama offensive guard Tyler Booker sixteenth overall pick as mocked

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Speaker 1: Evan Brown, Well Hernandez both free agents to be are

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Speaker 1: they brought back, so it would appear that that would

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Speaker 1: that I did on my own, But to tell me that, okay,

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Speaker 2: make a safe pick that's not necessary. You can make

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Speaker 2: you could possibly have both, I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: I guess safe in the aspect of it fills in need, right,

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Speaker 2: Which makes it necessary not safe? Right?

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe the word safe is because it's it's

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say right now that I feel like

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Speaker 2: if their pick isn't an offensive lineman, a defensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: Else, someone with their hand in the dirt, whether they're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that would be my gut feeling

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Speaker 1: Manti has made it clear that the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 1: as far as making sure you don't get gashed in

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Speaker 1: Mel did acknowledge the fact that maybe the biggest need

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Speaker 2: Is it what the guys upstairs believe, depending on who's

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Speaker 2: is he doesn't see a whole lot of edge rushers

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Speaker 2: And that's fine, And who knows, maybe the Cardinals end

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Speaker 2: what we also don't know, and this plays a gigantic role,

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Speaker 2: is what this team does in free agency. If they

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Speaker 2: that's going to lessen the idea that they might take

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Speaker 1: I guess, it just depends on how they view that

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you're picking sixteen and that player, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe not a big need, but you see seven, eight,

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Speaker 1: nine years worth of production. You're still going to take them,

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Speaker 2: There's that, There is that. But I feel like if

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Speaker 2: just think long term in terms of this first round pick,

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Speaker 2: the first round pick, better step in and do something.

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Speaker 2: You you're expected to make the playoffs this.

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Speaker 1: Right, now, not all of them, Darius Robins he would

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Speaker 2: But I'm telling you right now if it just because

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Speaker 1: Well, that's true, But I guess so I guess I'm

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Speaker 2: Well, then you're not trying very hard, no, I know,

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Speaker 1: Like we've been down this road several times, because that

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Speaker 2: Well, I think and that that's another way when you

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Speaker 2: oh really rarely, but that alone, what you just said

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Speaker 2: emphasizes again what kind of crapshoot what the Cardinals might

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Speaker 2: one draft has this due at sixteen, another one has

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Speaker 2: them as a top ten pick. Yes, that usually those

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Speaker 2: things don't usually happen when it's all said and done.

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Speaker 2: You don't see a guy who's a top ten pick

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Speaker 2: who's wrong here? Is it Kuyper or is it Jeremiah, Like,

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Speaker 2: good for us. Oh yeah, we get so many more

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Speaker 2: scouts only see about fourteen or fifteen guys that are

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Speaker 2: but I see this guy. What what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Teams do that too. It's not just out here as

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Speaker 2: us speculating. Teams are the same way. They look at

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Speaker 1: You don't want group think. And I think sometimes with

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Speaker 1: They picked him way too high. It's like, well, wait a.

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Speaker 2: Second, I'm gonna do it a million times. There's gonna

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Speaker 2: and everybody's gonna be like what and what is exactly

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Speaker 2: does that mean? You know? And that's fine, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: By the way, I mentioned Abdull Carter is the number

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Speaker 2: Yes to the Titan.

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Speaker 1: I did see that, And all of a sudden, it's like, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: you're looking elsewhere in free agency and you're going to

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Speaker 1: And everyone rolls the dice and says, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: When you're talking about the quarterback position. I think that's

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Speaker 2: I can't think of a worse time to have the

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Speaker 2: there isn't an obvious pick. And that's what the Titans

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Speaker 2: He's gonna get money.

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Speaker 2: I want to why, because quarterback is the most important

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Speaker 1: Yes, as as much as Paynes guys that we have

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Speaker 2: If I'm Kyler Murray, why wouldn't say Paris Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Now, well, because we were talking about quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: No, because then in everyone else on staff, you're like, wait, I'm.

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Speaker 2: as the Bears head coach, spot Jonathan Gannon made it

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Speaker 2: clear like I'm always aware of coaches that could leave

436
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Speaker 2: and have a ready list, and it's nothing against the

437
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Speaker 2: coaches that are here, but you've got to be ready

438
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Speaker 2: if something like this comes up. And there's been a

439
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Speaker 2: lot of conversations about there was a there was a

440
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Speaker 2: thing about Israel Will Fork interviewing what the.

441
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Speaker 1: Bears for their offensive coording to Now that.

442
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Speaker 2: Has already been filled by somebody else, so that doesn't matter.

443
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Speaker 2: But you never know what could come up.

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Speaker 1: And this is a Bears team that interviewed Petsing and

445
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Speaker 1: at least requested an interview with is he. So there's

446
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Speaker 1: something that at least in Chicago circles likes what's happening

447
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Speaker 1: here in Arizona. So that bodes well for what maybe

448
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: outsiders see. Maybe sometimes we are too close to the situation.

449
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Speaker 1: Like okay, well, once upon a time Drew Petsing was

450
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Speaker 1: going to be a head coach this season, and all

451
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Speaker 1: of a sudden there was a stretch in the middle

452
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Speaker 1: of the year where like, okay, well, now he wants

453
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Speaker 1: people want him run out of town. And that's kind

454
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Speaker 1: of the up and down nature of the coordinator position.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll look at Bobby Slow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just gonna bring that up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's the thing. When people see what

458
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Speaker 2: happened with Liam Cohen, who is the Buccaneers offensive coordinator,

459
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Speaker 2: and it was kind of sketchy how he ended up

460
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Speaker 2: going for the Jacksonville head coaching job. And then wasn't

461
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Speaker 2: going to take and was going to stay in with

462
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Speaker 2: the Buccaneers and then ended up taking the Jaguars job.

463
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Speaker 2: And I'm with you, know, you want to be as

464
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Speaker 2: transparent as you can. But if things got sideways next

465
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Speaker 2: year in Tampa and he had stayed in Tampa, they're

466
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Speaker 2: they're gonna not think twice about firing them. So you

467
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Speaker 2: do what you gotta do when you do it, and

468
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Speaker 2: that's that's I feel strongly about that.

469
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Speaker 1: Flip side is Ben Johnson in Detroit chose to stay

470
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Speaker 1: with the Lions another year and then got a head

471
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Speaker 1: coaching job this coaching cycle. So it's again you're rolling

472
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Speaker 1: the dice. And for Bobby slowank it was he roll

473
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Speaker 1: he crapped out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he gets fired, it was somebody. It was

475
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Speaker 2: funny though with the Bobby slow thing. And there's nuance here,

476
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Speaker 2: of course. But the Texans did have a bunch of

477
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Speaker 2: injuries at Skoll positions this year. But they won ten

478
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Speaker 2: games just like last year. They won a playoff game,

479
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Speaker 2: just like last year. And but this year you decide

480
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Speaker 2: to fire him instead of with him like now? Was

481
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Speaker 2: their offense production the same? It was not, But goodness,

482
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Speaker 2: gracious like.

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Speaker 1: That's when expectations change based off year one of C. J.

484
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Speaker 1: Stroud and all of a sudden, yeah you got back

485
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs, but you didn't want a playoff game,

486
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's okay, this is the

487
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Speaker 1: status quo is not good enough. We need to figure

488
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Speaker 1: it out. And it's easier to get rid of a

489
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Speaker 1: coach than it is.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the key, of course, it's it's easier

491
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Speaker 2: to get rid of the coach and then and we'll

492
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Speaker 2: see if that really makes a huge difference. I'm not

493
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure it did as much as Uh,

494
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Speaker 2: you better get some guys who can block. And that

495
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Speaker 2: wasn't Bobby Sloock.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't believe he's capable of blocking.

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Speaker 2: You don't know what he's capable of, Craig, have you

498
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Speaker 2: ever asked him?

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Speaker 1: I have not. Maybe we can get him on the

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Speaker 1: show so you can ask him. There.

501
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Speaker 2: Uh he his brother Ryan Slock once coached here. I

502
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Speaker 2: just thought I mentioned that. Wow, okay, it's been a minute.

503
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Speaker 2: He was on Wizards staff. I believe. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, now you're showing your age a little bit. Why

505
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Speaker 1: is that because the memory of guys on previous coaching staffs,

506
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Speaker 1: and you bring up Ken Wizzena. For some people that's like,

507
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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's three generations ago.

508
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Speaker 2: Well it's not three generations ago. Let's just settle down here.

509
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Speaker 2: Another name come to again.

510
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Speaker 1: Another name that you were quick to point out was

511
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Speaker 1: a former Arizona Cardinals player. I'm gonna give you the

512
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Speaker 1: floor and you can take this however you want, because

513
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Speaker 1: on Easycardinals dot com, whenever you get a blog post

514
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Speaker 1: from at cards shatter, it's a big deal. And this

515
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: was over the weekend, and I believe you probably knew

516
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Speaker 1: this before was quote unquote reported by every able else

517
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. But the Jets have a new general manager, Darrenmugie,

518
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Speaker 1: former Cardinals wide receiver and a lum of Scottsdale Chaparral

519
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Speaker 1: High School. From one fellow Firebird to another, Darren, would

520
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Speaker 1: you like to talk about you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't know it ahead of time, although

522
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Speaker 2: I will say that I've had a good I've had

523
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Speaker 2: a relationship with Darren Moogie since he was here because

524
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Speaker 2: we bonded about the Firebirds stuff, and I've managed to

525
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Speaker 2: meet up with him a couple of times over the years.

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Speaker 2: It's been a minute, but usually when we're especially when

527
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Speaker 2: we're in Denver, I think he made the trip here

528
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Speaker 2: last time. But when warre in Denver usually seeks me

529
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Speaker 2: out in the press box, and I'm happy for me.

530
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Speaker 2: This is a guy who again he played wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: He went to Scottsdale Chapero High School, was a quarterback here,

532
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Speaker 2: went to college at San Diego State as a quarterback,

533
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Speaker 2: got beat out by Kevin O'Connell, who is now the

534
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Speaker 2: Vikings head coach, was the quarterback there, so they moved

535
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Speaker 2: him to wide receiver, and so he played receiver to

536
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Speaker 2: finish up his college career. Came into the league undrafted,

537
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Speaker 2: had a cup of coffee with the Falcons, and then

538
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Speaker 2: in twenty ten was here for the off season and

539
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Speaker 2: training camp. And as I mentioned, BEFO for the off

540
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Speaker 2: season of twenty ten is going to be remembered for

541
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Speaker 2: a lot of things, and probably not Darren Mugie. That

542
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: was the off season where Kurt Warner retired and and

543
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Speaker 2: Kwan Bolden was traded, and Carlos Dansby and Entre Role

544
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: left his free agents and there was a lot going

545
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Speaker 2: on and we haven't even discussed bringing in Derek Anderson

546
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: and Matt Lioner trying to keep the job that everybody

547
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Speaker 2: thought he was going to have and then didn't, and Moxie,

548
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: Max Hall and John Skelton and there was just a

549
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: lot going on. But Mooji ended up getting cut at

550
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Speaker 2: the end of the preseason and that was fine, and

551
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Speaker 2: I think he soon after figured out football a playing

552
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: career wasn't there, but he wanted to get in to

553
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Speaker 2: the front office and ended up getting a job with

554
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Speaker 2: the Broncos as a scouting intern and worked his way

555
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Speaker 2: up the ladder with Denver, and I know when the

556
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Speaker 2: new ownership came in and Sean Payton came in, there

557
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Speaker 2: was probably a little bit of nervousness about what kind

558
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Speaker 2: of change he might see, and they kept him on

559
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Speaker 2: and they've really liked what he's done there, and now

560
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Speaker 2: he's the Jets general manager. God bless him. I hope

561
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: that's That's a tough place to be a GM in

562
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: New York, but you know.

563
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Speaker 1: It's quite the rise up the ranks again. You think

564
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be a player in the National Football League.

565
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Speaker 1: You come to that realization is okay, maybe maybe I

566
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Speaker 1: need a pivot, And there are several players that have

567
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Speaker 1: to come to that realization and how quickly do you

568
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Speaker 1: come to that realization? And he pivoted into the front

569
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Speaker 1: office and worked his way up and now is one

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Speaker 1: of thirty two general manage And again that's regardless of

571
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Speaker 1: whether what you think about the situation he's walking into,

572
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Speaker 1: it's still one of thirty two jobs.

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Speaker 2: And that's it's it's interesting you bring that up because

574
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Speaker 2: bigger picture, so the Saints are the one team now

575
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Speaker 2: that don't have a head coach and it's not a

576
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: great situation because they don't have a long term quarterback.

577
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Speaker 2: They're trying to decide what to do with Derek Carr

578
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Speaker 2: and their salary cap is a mess and it's been

579
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Speaker 2: a mess. And it's funny watching all those years with

580
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Speaker 2: Peyton and everybody kept saying it was going to cost him,

581
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Speaker 2: it was going to cost him. It was cost him,

582
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Speaker 2: and they manage a lot of times they're like, we

583
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Speaker 2: can figure it out, and they have, but now the

584
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Speaker 2: time has come to pay the piper. Sean Payton parachute

585
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Speaker 2: it out of there before he had to deal with it,

586
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Speaker 2: and now you're trying to get a coach there, and

587
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Speaker 2: what does that mean, like, what do you do if

588
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Speaker 2: you might have that chance. I mean, we just were

589
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Speaker 2: talking about Ben Johnson and Bobby Slowock and that balance

590
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Speaker 2: between if somebody comes to somebody and says, we want

591
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Speaker 2: you to be our head coach, do you take the

592
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Speaker 2: job that's being offered to you, even though it might

593
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Speaker 2: not be the best situation. Are you going to get

594
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Speaker 2: another chance to be a head coach? Is being a

595
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Speaker 2: head coach important enough for you to pull the trigger?

596
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Speaker 2: I mean, Dave McGinnis, we want to talk you. We're

597
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Speaker 2: talking about three generations, Agola, Ken, Wizna, and now we're

598
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Speaker 2: going to go back to Dave McGinnis. Dave McGinnis, the

599
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: Cardinals were not in great shape as football wise when

600
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Speaker 2: he took the head coaching job here, and I know

601
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Speaker 2: for a fact he gave the thought long and hard

602
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Speaker 2: over whether he was going to take it. However, Dave

603
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: McGinnis had already turned down one chance to be a

604
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Speaker 2: head coach with the Bears because and everybody thought he

605
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: was going to take it, and it got mixed up

606
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: and he decided the last second, this isn't right how

607
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: it's constructed. But then he had a chance here, and

608
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Speaker 2: I know one of the thought processes he had was essentially,

609
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Speaker 2: how many more chances am I going to get at this?

610
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Speaker 2: And everybody has to give that thought, whether it be

611
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Speaker 2: a GM or a coach, like, how many chances am

612
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Speaker 2: I going to have where somebody is gonna tap me

613
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Speaker 2: on the shoulder and say we want you to be

614
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: this person? And so, yeah, it's easy to sit back

615
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: and say, oh, you're going into this situation. You're going

616
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Speaker 2: this situation. But if it's you might not ever get

617
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: that chance again or that paycheck again, Well that's something

618
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: to consider.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring it to present day. Cliff Kingsbury, yeah, has

620
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Speaker 1: chosen or at least chose to focus and concentrate at

621
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Speaker 1: the time on being the OC of the Washington Commanders,

622
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Speaker 1: even though his name had been in circles to be

623
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Speaker 1: a head coaching position. And he's in a good spot

624
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: right now. Of course, Bobby Slowanck probably thought the same

625
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: thing two years ago with CJ. Stroud. But you got

626
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Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels and things are going well in Washington, and

627
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Speaker 1: you balance, all right, do I stay here or do

628
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: I take another head coaching job. He's been there, done that.

629
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Speaker 1: I think he'll be better as a head coach the

630
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Speaker 1: second time around, at least based off what I saw

631
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Speaker 1: him do behind the scenes in some of the comments

632
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Speaker 1: he's made since then, as far as what he has

633
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Speaker 1: learned from the first time here with the Arizona Cardinals.

634
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Speaker 1: But that's another name, like, Okay, what do you do

635
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Speaker 1: in that situation because it is one of thirty two?

636
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Speaker 1: But do you want all the headache of a head coach,

637
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: although again the paycheck is nice, or do There's just

638
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: some guys that are probably more just the coordinator suited,

639
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Speaker 1: And then there are a number of guys who had

640
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: made careers out of being just a coordinator in the

641
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Speaker 1: National Football League.

642
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: Well, again, when you're talking about a guy with Cliff,

643
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Speaker 2: he's already gotten to do it once. He's already gotten

644
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Speaker 2: the money to do it once. So that helps. The

645
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: other thing is it's funny you bring up the Stroud

646
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Speaker 2: thing when it comes to Jade Daniels, because that's been

647
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Speaker 2: the argument that I've been making the whole time about

648
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Speaker 2: Jade Daniels in terms of a certain amount of pumping

649
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Speaker 2: the brakes. Now, I will say watching him play against

650
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: Philly in the NFC Championship game, even though it didn't

651
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Speaker 2: turn out all that. Well, that was the day that

652
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Speaker 2: I kind of turned the page and said, Okay, I'm

653
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Speaker 2: a believer now that this is going to be the guy. However,

654
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: you're right, everybody said the same thing about CJ. Stroud

655
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: last year and he took a step back. So what

656
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: happens with Jane Daniels next year, Well, we will see

657
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Speaker 2: how that goes. But when it comes to Cliff, one

658
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: of the things that makes you successful in this league,

659
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Speaker 2: as we dial all the way back to the draft,

660
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Speaker 2: talk the quarterback. You know, Aaron Glenn took this job

661
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Speaker 2: as the Jets head coach, who's this quarterback? You know,

662
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Speaker 2: if you're the Saints, who's your quarterback? You know, Saints coach, like,

663
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: that's the problem. You know, Mike Vrabel's walking to in

664
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: a great situation because they got Drake May and I

665
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: think Drake May can be pretty good. And I think

666
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Speaker 2: I think Mike Rabel's putting together a pretty good coaching staff.

667
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Speaker 2: And I think the Patriots are going to be pretty

668
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: good in the next couple of years because I think

669
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Speaker 2: they're they in a lot of ways. That's kind of

670
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Speaker 2: what you need to do, in my opinion, is find

671
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Speaker 2: the quarterback and then figure out the right coach now

672
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: doesn't always work. We saw that here, yep, and so

673
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: like what exactly, what exactly direction do you go? But

674
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Speaker 2: if you're Cliff, I feel pretty good that I'm going

675
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Speaker 2: to have another good year next year. And then people,

676
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Speaker 2: we are still gonna want me as a potential head.

677
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Speaker 1: Coach despite what we saw on Sunday, And we can

678
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Speaker 1: dive into Championship Sunday because the score is very lopsided

679
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: Eagles fifty five, Commanders twenty three. But you mentioned watching

680
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Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels. Yeah, he turned it over late, but the

681
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Speaker 1: three previous turnovers that led to twenty one points, those

682
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: were all fumbles that had nothing to do with Jayden Daniels.

683
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Speaker 1: So again, yeah, the loss doesn't look good because it's

684
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Speaker 1: on his resume. Yet at the same time, there weren't

685
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Speaker 1: many people that were expecting the Commanders to be one

686
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Speaker 1: of the two teams left stand in the NFC and

687
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Speaker 1: being in that game after winning four games the year before.

688
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Speaker 1: But again, so the Eagles are back in the Super

689
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Speaker 1: Bowl for the second time in three years. It will

690
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Speaker 1: be a rematch against the Kansas City Chiefs, a game

691
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Speaker 1: in which you and I were both at State Farm

692
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Speaker 1: Stadium to watch that game and watch the Kansas City.

693
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Speaker 2: Chiefs when we didn't have a lot of leg room, Craig.

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Speaker 1: No, we didn't. We were squeezed into what is at the.

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Speaker 2: South Auxiliary prece Seding.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but a good time was had by all. I

697
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Speaker 1: enjoyed my time.

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Speaker 2: I was. It was fine. I've been to a few

699
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: more live Super Bowls than I think you have.

700
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Speaker 1: That was a bucket list and I checked it off.

701
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, we'll have to wait and see

702
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: when it comes around to State Farm standing again. But again,

703
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: what you're been there once, you're you know, you're just.

704
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Speaker 2: Not even thinking about when the Cardinals could make it.

705
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Speaker 2: You'll be there for the time.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like next year, who knows, that's true. That's

707
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Speaker 1: a good catch on your part.

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Speaker 2: It's Santa Claire next year. I can go.

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Speaker 1: No, family doesn't live in Bear anymore. They're all in

710
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: the secondmund close enough though. They could drive down to

711
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Speaker 1: Santa Clair.

712
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: To say hi to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was going to say say to you. You're

715
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: not getting any tickets? Well, I guess well I shouldn't

716
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: say that. The last time we went to the Super Bowl,

717
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: two tickets were made available.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's good to know.

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Speaker 2: It was very nice. No, I don't care. I don't

720
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Speaker 2: know by next time, but like that's what happened back

721
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, as Craig said, three generations ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. As far as the games themselves, on Sunday,

723
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Speaker 1: Eagles beat the Commanders. The Chiefs do what they always

724
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Speaker 1: do and win and beat the Bills thirty two to

725
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Speaker 1: twenty nine. Any thoughts one way or the other on

726
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: what you saw or what your takeaways now, because we've

727
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: got two weeks to dissect the Super Bowl between the

728
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Speaker 1: Eagles and Chiefs.

729
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: Can't turn the ball over. We saw that because of

730
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Speaker 2: the Commanders, and going back to what Jane Daniels was doing,

731
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Speaker 2: not only were they turning the ball over, but multiple

732
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Speaker 2: times it short circuited what looked like going to be

733
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Speaker 2: scoring drives. So that's not good, I would say. The

734
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Speaker 2: other for the Bills, the Bulls Chiefs game was a

735
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Speaker 2: lot of what I expected it to beat, which was

736
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Speaker 2: really close against two really good teams, and the Chiefs

737
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: just find ways to win.

738
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Speaker 1: It's just amazing. Although that was a better offensive performance.

739
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Speaker 2: They had not scored thirty points in a game this

740
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Speaker 2: season until Yes, that's right.

741
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Speaker 1: I do remember that stat a week ago because they

742
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: brought it up and they were on the verge of

743
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Speaker 1: getting that thirty points and didn't need to hit the

744
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Speaker 1: thirty point mark. But yeah, the Harrison Butker thirty five

745
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: yardfield goal with three thirty three left proved to be

746
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: the difference and you get a stop on downs. In fact,

747
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: the Kansas City turned the ball over for the first

748
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Speaker 1: time in like forever.

749
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Bills.

750
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Speaker 1: Got to be able to capitalize on that takeaway, and.

751
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: Well they did. I think they scored off of that,

752
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: didn't they?

753
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: I believe.

754
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: So technically the Bills didn't turn the ball over, but

755
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: the four might as well have been one.

756
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: It's just it's just I don't I'm I'm okay with

757
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: Kansas City continuing to win because I enjoy watching them

758
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: perform offensively with de offensively, So it's not it's.

759
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: Gonna be rare. I heard talking heads on one broadcast

760
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: are going to agree with that. Also, no offense to

761
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: anybody out there, although I'm not sure why I not.

762
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: I struggle with the Eagles, so I'm not.

763
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: I really this goes back to three generations. I really

764
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: don't want to when they were a division rival. Is

765
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Speaker 1: that what you were saying of the Arizona Cardinals.

766
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Speaker 2: Well, sadly enough, I have covered this team long enough

767
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: that I did cover them when they were in the

768
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: same division as the Eagles. So but that's I I

769
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Speaker 2: just I just there's a lot there, There's a lot.

770
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Speaker 2: There's no reason to go down this road Philadelphia, Okay.

771
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Speaker 1: I mean it's where the Arizona Cardinals got their head

772
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: coach and defensive coordinator, and at one point they're starting

773
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: an inside linebacker. We'll see if that continues with Kaiser White.

774
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: But I mean it has been good for the Arizona

775
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: Cardinals recently. People have been with the organization to come here.

776
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: Well, you would think that you had coaches there and

777
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: that that's that's a that's a natural.

778
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Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say this watching those two defenses,

779
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: the Eagles and the Chiefs, the ability to get home

780
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: and rush the quarterback with just four I don't know

781
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: if I saw the Eagles blitz once and the Chiefs

782
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: might have brought a fifth or a sixth player a

783
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: handful of times in those two games. But I think

784
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: that's the one big takeaway for those teams. And we've

785
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: seen this with Philadelphia for a while, though, is can

786
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: you get meaningful pressure with just four so you can

787
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: drop seven into coverage? And I think that's the next

788
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: step for the Cardinals defensively. Can you find four guys,

789
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: rotate four guys whatever it is to be able to

790
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: properly affect the quarterback. Maybe not so much get the sacks,

791
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: but keep that quarterback uncomfortable with just rushing four against

792
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Speaker 1: five offensive linemen.

793
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Speaker 2: I think that, you know again, Yeah, I mean that's

794
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Speaker 2: it's funny how I don't know if i'd say the playoffs,

795
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: but doesn't this postseason especially kind of underscore like this

796
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: kind of throwback esque type of football that.

797
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: We round and play good defense.

798
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: I mean both of them, Like how important the defensive

799
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: line is for disruption and I don't mean the edge guys,

800
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: I mean the guys and oh yeah, uh using the

801
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: offensive line to run. I mean, obviously, Saquon Barkley is

802
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: an unbelievable talent. We knew what the Ravens were doing.

803
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: The Chiefs aren't quite like that.

804
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: Uh.

805
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: Their their run game is a little bit different, especially

806
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: since they essentially use the pass for some of those

807
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: quick runs. With their wide receivers. But there just feels

808
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: like this hearkening back a little bit as we move forward,

809
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: and it ties into the Cardinals well, because it feels

810
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: like that's what the Cardinals are trying to get to.

811
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: I keep the words of Jonathan Gannon as far as

812
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: the value of the ball and talking about how it's

813
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: important to maintain possession and go get the football. And

814
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: then you have a solid running back and the Cardinals

815
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: have one. Maybe they got several in that room right now,

816
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: being able to run the football when you need to.

817
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: Can you gain those nicle? Yes, another great phrase that

818
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon uses. Now we hear it all the time

819
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: from Paul Coffee.

820
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Speaker 2: Paul loves it. Yeah.

821
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Speaker 1: I don't believe JG has mentioned it his introductory press conferences.

822
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: Maybe we need to let him know because all of

823
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: a sudden, that's become, you know, the the motto of

824
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: one person. Yet maybe although maybe it shows you that

825
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: maybe Paul was the only one listening at that time.

826
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: No, I remember it. We all remember I used it earlier.

827
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Speaker 1: Been there, done that, all done? All right? What else

828
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Speaker 1: you got?

829
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Speaker 2: Since you want to come up with fresh logos on

830
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: a yearly basis, or not logos.

831
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: This would be this would be year three of using

832
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Speaker 1: the same phrase, so you get us come up with

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Speaker 1: something different innovate, Right, that's the of the off season.

834
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Speaker 1: Uh speaking of innovation, what's to come on Azycardinals dot

835
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Speaker 1: com that you're working on. In addition to the outstanding

836
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: blog post by Chaparral's own Darren Much.

837
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Speaker 2: I just got word, we will be posting a I

838
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: have a story and we'll have a cool video about

839
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: referencing Marvin Harrison Junior and Marvin Harrison Senior and kind

840
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: of the parallels between their rookie years and where that's

841
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: going that that should be coming out this week and

842
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: uh so excited about that. And posts a story today

843
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: about the offense needing to kind of move move forward

844
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: and taking what they did do well, which they did

845
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: do something as well, and and the difference between the

846
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: stability of keeping what you've been doing and making them

847
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: necessary changes to take it to the next level. That's

848
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Speaker 2: that's also something. And of course it's Pro Bowl week,

849
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: so we'll have something on Trey and Buddha as we

850
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: get to the end of the week in the Pro Bowl.

851
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Pro Bowl games are Thursday and the actual

852
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl is Sunday, The Skills Challenges is Thursday, and

853
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: then the Pro Bowl Football. It's football, but it is

854
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: Millions will watch it.

855
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: Millions will watch it. Big thumbs up from Cody's well, you.

856
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: Gotta watch because now you've got two Arizona Cardinals players

857
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: and at one defense one offense, so you should watch it.

858
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: Everyone should watch it, and if you want to know

859
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: how to watch it, that'll be up on Easycardinals dot

860
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: com as well.

861
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: Craig taking Craig, he wants to talk about what.

862
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: He's doing, what based off the assignment that I was

863
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: given by the gentleman to my right, that's true, my boss.

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Speaker 1: We'll just sleep it right there on that notes.

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Speaker 2: That sound good, Yeah, that sounds excellent.

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Speaker 1: All right, appreciate everyone behind the scenes. Our executive producer

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Speaker 1: Jim mamahund Our, associate producer Cuddy Fincher for my boss,

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban, I'm Greig wheel Lou. We'll talk to next

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