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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is All Ball.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome in, and we're force recording this All Ball

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Speaker 2: from Green Bay, Wisconsin, where we're deep in the deep

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Speaker 2: in the throes of the practice time. And I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what I'm gonna do, Like I'll give you some

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Speaker 2: practice updates and some where we are and how we've

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Speaker 2: done things and get more and more pods. But I

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Speaker 2: have really good shit for you on this podcast. Billy

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Speaker 2: Barron is a player that I covered when he was

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Speaker 2: in college. Obviously, his dad, jim kind of legend in

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Speaker 2: the business, Like just one of the most liked guys.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's lots of coaches, and every coach says, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a great guy.

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Speaker 3: Great guy. Like no, no, no, no. The Barons are fucking good people.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Jimmy's brother and Billy, they they got

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Speaker 2: had little swag to him. And Billy was a badass

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Speaker 2: when he played for his dad. I mean, first of

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Speaker 2: obviously played form in Rhode Island, but then played for

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Speaker 2: mcinisius as well. He averaged twenty four game his senior year,

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Speaker 2: then went on and he just recently announced his retirement

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Speaker 2: from basketball. So I reached out and I said, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: you want to do a pod? He said hell yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that's what we did without further ado, Here's part one.

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Speaker 3: Billy barron earliest memory of basketball is.

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Speaker 4: Wearing one man Saint Bonaventure Dad's game playing temple. Who

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Speaker 4: was there, who was on the team, was on the team.

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Speaker 4: But the Riley Center, Uh, that's that's immediately first thoughts

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Speaker 4: of basketball.

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Speaker 3: Riley Center used to be nasty. Okay, nasty nasty, like,

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Speaker 3: well this.

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Speaker 2: Is before you Okay, did you know that Rafonso Ellis

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Speaker 2: missed like a year and a half of college basketball

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Speaker 2: of the heart problem.

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Speaker 1: It was no, it was no.

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Speaker 2: Was Monny Williams, Sorry Monny Williams. Lafonso was ineligible. It

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Speaker 2: was like the greatest caver. So, MANI what happened was

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Speaker 2: when Hank Gathers died, everybody in basketball freaked out and

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Speaker 2: they started doing MRIs on people's hearts whatever, and so

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Speaker 2: they found that he had some hard rhythmia, so they

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Speaker 2: shut him down for like a year whatever. So his

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Speaker 2: first game back was at the Ryan Center. And this

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Speaker 2: is from Fran McCaffrey's IOWA head coach was an assistant

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Speaker 2: and he told me the story, He's like, dude, the

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Speaker 2: Ryan Centers. That was the craziest place we've ever played,

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Speaker 2: he said, right before tip off, they're like, hey, money

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, Mark, that sounds about right. That sounds right.

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Speaker 4: That's it, man, that's it. That place is great.

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Speaker 3: What was your dad like with you growing up as

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Speaker 3: far as who.

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Speaker 4: He was cool? Like, I think me and my brothers

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Speaker 4: We just wanted to be there, and I think that

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Speaker 4: He would just sit there and rebound and just pass

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Speaker 4: got to shoot it like this. No, he would just

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Speaker 4: just like all right, if you want to get a

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Speaker 4: Like it was you really couldn't ask for anything else,

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Speaker 4: Like I'm a guy, like I'll be the first one

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Speaker 4: to say like I'm super stubborn. Like my brother tried

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Speaker 4: So it was good that my dad was kind of

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Speaker 3: You went to high school?

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Speaker 4: Where went to high school in Rhode Island, Perkin, And

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Speaker 4: then I did a post grade here at Worcester Academy.

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, so your dad when you're in Rhode Island,

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Speaker 4: It comes out like a lot of scrutiny for sure,

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Speaker 4: Like you feel like everything's kind of given to you.

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Speaker 4: But I think when you play for your dad, my

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Speaker 4: Like there's no one between you know, And if you're

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Speaker 4: So like if there's if you're in the middle and

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Speaker 4: my dad always kind of always says that, and I

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Speaker 4: think it's true, like as long as you're the best player,

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Speaker 4: you're working as hard as you can, you don't have

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Speaker 4: too much to worry about. You can filter out, you know,

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Speaker 4: like I think I'm matured a little later, so it

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Speaker 4: It was like super focused me. I kind of listened

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Speaker 4: know if you know this actually started at Virginia.

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Speaker 2: I know I want to get I wasn't get into college,

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Speaker 2: and I'm talking about more high school because high school

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Speaker 2: like you know, it's like high school coaches like I.

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Speaker 3: Like, do I how do I coach this kid? What's

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Speaker 2: Students like they don't know how to handle, Like college

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Speaker 2: is harder because the crowds are bigger. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean you know, like Smithy's and Merps are in fucking

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Speaker 2: makes mechanics drop the wrench, right for sure?

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Speaker 4: For sure, my brother was that you or I was

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Speaker 4: a level further, you know what I mean. So the

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Speaker 4: fact that I was, I was working so hard a

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Speaker 4: me tell you, the league was not crazy hard. I

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Speaker 4: mean the Rhode Island League, Like if you win by twenty,

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Speaker 4: it's a bad game, you know what I mean. So,

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Speaker 4: like the competition wasn't that great, Like when I went

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Speaker 4: Like the pressure and anxiety you get from like you know,

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Speaker 4: going paycheck to paycheck, like month to month on deals

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Speaker 4: because Europe's crazy, Like looking back in high school, that

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Speaker 3: Like you'll love this. So I have a guy do

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Speaker 3: you ever play against Jerry Smith played Louisville.

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Speaker 4: That's very familiar.

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Speaker 3: Okay, like a six to two blackguard. He's the best.

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Speaker 2: He's from Milwaukee and he just joined my staff and

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Speaker 2: I had Jerry talk to the team last week and

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Speaker 2: then I said like, hey, Jerry, uh, like, when you

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Speaker 3: You know? He's like, you know, a couple hundred grand

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Speaker 3: And I said, was it guaranteed? He's like yes. It

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Speaker 3: in October? He's like yes, would you get your money? No?

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Speaker 2: Right, And these guys jaws dropped, like like I don't

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Speaker 2: to get to that. Okay, but let's let's go chrono logical.

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Speaker 2: So you get down playing in high school a little

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Speaker 4: My brother went to Worcester and like my brother went

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Speaker 4: from Division two coming out of the same high school.

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Speaker 4: my brother's best offer was, like I remember Assumption. It

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Speaker 4: a really good relationship with my prep school coaches Eddie Riley,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know him and Jamie Sullivin,

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Speaker 3: Who do you guys have? Who else do you guys have?

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Speaker 4: We didn't have much that We had Ty Olander who

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Speaker 4: Kanaan Severin, but we weren't really like that stat which

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Speaker 4: voted well for me because my usage was like through

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Speaker 4: the roof. But we're playing every team once it in

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Speaker 4: Brewster Saint Thomas Moore, Sure, I mean they got eight

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Speaker 4: like that. I was just like that's when basketball truly

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Speaker 4: was just like fun, you know, like just go out

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Speaker 4: there and hoop, and I do I missed that, man.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. It's it's interesting to say this.

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Speaker 2: So I have a I have a player's name is

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Speaker 2: Isaiah Miranda and Isaiah's actually from.

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Speaker 3: From Island right Tucket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah seven one, yeah, steven one two fifteen amazing athletes

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Speaker 3: Just tell when he's stressed, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I just said, hey, dude, like because you know,

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Speaker 2: like he was on people's draft boards a couple of

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Speaker 3: He struggled, he bounced around a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit, and I said, do you remember, like when was

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Speaker 2: and we'll get to like you're tiring from professional basketball.

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Speaker 2: You sacrifice your child. It's a great way to put it.

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Speaker 3: But still it is it is a sacrifice, right, yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like I actually think you fit way better now with

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Speaker 4: That's such a good point. It's such a good question.

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Speaker 2: So now that's like, that's like, that's like TJ McConnell.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's all you know. But sorry, I rub

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Speaker 2: didn't I wasn't there, but because I had to leave

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00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 2: Notre Dame because I got in trouble, Like I tell

434
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,160
Speaker 2: fran McCaffrey all the time, like I'm sorry, I got

435
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 2: you guys fired at Notre Dame. Right, I firmly believed

436
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 2: if I didn't get in trouble, we would have made

437
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,160
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament and everybody'd stayed gamefully employed.

438
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 3: What's that like? Forget about now?

439
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,640
Speaker 2: What was it like then for nineteen year old twenty

440
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,640
Speaker 2: year old you to says all.

441
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 4: That I was walking out of my dorm. Is we

442
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 4: played UMass on a Saturday afternoon, Our season was over.

443
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 4: We'd even make the conference tournament obviously. Oh oh it

444
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 4: was nasty this year.

445
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean listen, Notre Dame we made We played

446
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: the first Thursday games at the Big East Tournament, played Syracuse.

447
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,199
Speaker 3: They went to the national championship game that year. But

448
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 3: I just.

449
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 2: Remember like walking around Times Square and they're like, no, no, dame,

450
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 2: And when do you guys play? Like, yeah, we already played,

451
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,919
Speaker 2: we're done. But to not get to go, that's that

452
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: sucks even worse.

453
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 4: So anyway, like, well, my dad the year before graduated

454
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 4: the winning this class in school history. So I thought, now,

455
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 4: I told you they were first four out that three

456
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 4: years ago. My brother's junior year, they were fifteenth in

457
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 4: the country. I mean, like his senior year, they were

458
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 4: like right, there's you know, the year after he graduated,

459
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 4: they were they went to the final four and you

460
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 4: know the n t which doesn't mean too much, but

461
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 4: no it does, it does, you know, But not to

462
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 4: that fan base when they only won is y tournament.

463
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 4: I mean Jim Herrick takes him to the NTA Tournament

464
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 4: to lead eight in ninety eight, they think they should

465
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 4: be there every single year, even though that's the reason

466
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 4: why my dad ended up being there because of all

467
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 4: the violations. So they forget. But I remember walking out

468
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 4: of my dorm it was like nine in the morning

469
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Speaker 4: on Sunday and I was meetinghim at church and I

470
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 4: get out and he's parked right by my car. What

471
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 4: do you what are you doing? He was, you don't

472
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 4: get in and he's just like looks at me. And

473
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 4: my dad was there for eleven years, and he's like,

474
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,719
Speaker 4: I just I just got fired, and like we just

475
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 4: like look at each other. We just started bawling, Like

476
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 4: we just started bawling, and like we just hugged each

477
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 4: other and we just sat there and hugged each other

478
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 4: for like thirty minutes and just like crying. And it

479
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 4: was just like and we just sat there and I

480
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 4: was just like, now, what like what we what do

481
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 4: we do? Not you do? Like what do we do?

482
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 4: And I sat there. Dan Hurley ends up taking the job,

483
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 4: and I ended up having to go to his press

484
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 4: conference in front of everyone. I felt like it was

485
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 4: my dad's funeral. Like everyone was applauding Dan making a speech.

486
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 4: I literally felt like it was my dad's funeral. And

487
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 4: I'm like sitting there, like they made me sit there

488
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 4: like front row, and I'm like watching this. I'm like

489
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 4: you gotta be kidding me, Like this is this? This

490
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 4: is ridiculous, and right fucking in, all the news stations

491
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 4: came to interview me. Literally like once Dan's speech was over,

492
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 4: and I actually started like losing. I started like crying,

493
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 4: and then like one of the news reports, Bill Reynolds

494
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 4: just like pulls me out of there because he sees

495
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 4: me starting to lose it and he's just like he

496
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 4: just takes me back, and I'm like, all right. So

497
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 4: then Dan comes up to me after the press conference.

498
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 4: Let's go to the office and talk. Oh my god,

499
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,479
Speaker 4: I don't really feel like talking right now, but all right,

500
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 4: let's do it. And uh, he pulls me and he

501
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 4: pulls me into my dad's office and we're sitting there.

502
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like, coach, I can't. I can't talk

503
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: to right here. I can't. He goes why. I was like, coach,

504
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 4: I just cleaned this office out. I can't sit here

505
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 4: and talk to you here. We have to go. So

506
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 4: we went somewhere else, and like, over those next like

507
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 4: three four weeks, me and Dan had like so many

508
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 4: heart to hearts, Like I mean, we would talk for

509
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: like hours at a time, and he would tell me

510
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 4: about his situation growing up and his problems growing up

511
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 4: in him have an older brother and coach and all

512
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: that stuff, and like he like related to me a lot.

513
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514
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517
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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, like the to the two guys,

518
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the.

519
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 3: Two guys that was Jesse talked to this amazing thing.

520
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Speaker 3: Who's there? Because Danny. I played against Danny when he

521
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 3: was a seat hall and he was fucking good. But

522
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: every time he brought the ball.

523
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Speaker 2: To the floor, Bobby he's better, or Bobby he's better,

524
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: just like them.

525
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 3: And then the other guy, the other guy was like,

526
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: that was Kevin Willard. You know about people. People were

527
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: get that Kevin.

528
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: He actually had one more year of eligibility to play

529
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: for his dad and he instead went to work for

530
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: the Celtics. Oh really yeah, because the Pittsburgh bands were

531
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: so nasty to him, so nasty to him, you know,

532
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: like they were when they lose, they just fucking bow

533
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: him and they.

534
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: Were so shitty to him.

535
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: So okay, So was there like, hey, maybe I could

536
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: play for Danny or was no?

537
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 3: Like what was it honestly going on inside your head?

538
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 4: So I told him, like then he had one meeting

539
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 4: with me and the whole staff and Bobby was on

540
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 4: his staff, actually his assistant coach at the time. So

541
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 4: talking all him, I'm like, yeah, I'll give it a shot,

542
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 4: Like I'll see what I can do here for the

543
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: next couple of weeks, I'm going to school, might as

544
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 4: well just work out with them. But I like, I

545
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: like left the school completely. I was sleeping at my

546
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 4: house like fifteen minutes away, and that was a tough

547
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 4: time for me, man, Like I couldn't really sleep at night,

548
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 4: Like just a lot of stuff was going on. So

549
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 4: I remember, like Dan used to have like these six

550
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 4: am lifts in the workouts right after and I just

551
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 4: showed up one time. He just looked at me, like

552
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: how you doing. I'm like, coach, I haven't slept, and

553
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 4: that was it. And like I remember though, that was

554
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 4: some of the best basketball I played. We used to

555
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 4: do these workouts where Dan's workouts are like, you know,

556
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 4: a lot of yelling, shouting, you going, you know, balls

557
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 4: to the wall. Like we got in the circle one

558
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: time and one of the guys when these are all

559
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: my dad's players, so he's just weeding them out right,

560
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 4: and one of them they had he had his heel

561
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 4: on the circle in the middle and I was like,

562
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 4: the fuck out of here, You're not in the circle.

563
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 4: He just kicked them out of the gym, and I

564
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 4: was like all right, okay, and I was just like

565
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: you and everything. At that point, I was just like

566
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 4: kind of like cold. I was like, oh sure, why not.

567
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 4: And at that point I was so mad at everyone

568
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 4: that I resented my teammates too. I like blamed I

569
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: blame myself, but I also like took it out of them.

570
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 4: I took it out of my teammates right.

571
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: Not healthy.

572
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 4: And we would play like not healthy at all, like

573
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: it was bad and like we would.

574
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Speaker 2: Play, but you had that thing like and I'm sure

575
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: you have this in life when things are going and

576
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: shitty elsewhere, like for some reason like basketball become you

577
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: get better at basketball.

578
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: I wouldn't sleep and I go in these workouts and

579
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: I was just like I was annihilating them, like I

580
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: was beating them like twenty one to two to three

581
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: to five, like we played one on one on one

582
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 4: on one. Yeah, I was talking shit and I was

583
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: like looking at Dan like I'm fucking like nuts, like

584
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: I'm crazy. Uh. He named me like captain like right away,

585
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: like he remember me saying lock froom. You know, whatever

586
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 4: Billy does, you do what he says, he follow him,

587
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 4: blah blah blah and all that. But I didn't hear.

588
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 4: I didn't realize this until ten years later. My mom was,

589
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: you know, in the background, because I was as a

590
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 4: playing for my dad was a walk on. And I

591
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 4: have a scholarship. So my mom's in the back like

592
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 4: calling Dan, calling the athletics director, are you going to

593
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 4: offer my son a scholarship? They were never going to

594
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 4: offer me a scholarship, so I didn't. I never knew that.

595
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, I called, I

596
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: called the idea that you know fired my father. I said, hey,

597
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 4: like tell coach, tell Dan early like I'm not, I'm

598
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 4: not playing and then you know, I'm not. I'm not

599
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: gonna be at r I and like that was it.

600
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 4: And then you know, that was on to the next chapter,

601
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: which was came down between Providence Purdue in Cancius of course, right.

602
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 2: So you want to go to Providence because you want

603
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: to play Rhode Island, correct, Like basically you want to

604
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: beat the shit out of Rhode Island.

605
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 5: Fair, Yeah, who's that province? Then ed okay, so we

606
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 5: have a meeting with ed and we're sitting there. I'm like,

607
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 5: I can't believe I'm doing this right now. You know,

608
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 5: it's like what my brother was sitting there with him

609
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 5: and and he's like yeah. And I'm like, yeah, you know,

610
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 5: coach like I don't know like you or I won't

611
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 5: let me transfer here because we're playing them. He looks

612
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 5: at me, he goes, man, I don't want to play

613
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 5: them anyways, don't worry about it. I was like, all right, cool, cool,

614
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 5: so uh and then went to Purdue and went on

615
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 5: to visit there, and there's like immaculate you know, Matt

616
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 5: Painters awesome.

617
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I put it, put me to a workout, and

618
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 4: he like loved me because the assistant brought me in.

619
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: So I had to prove myself to coach pay Greg Guard. Yeah,

620
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: he brought me in. So then I had to work

621
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 4: out and I was like I couldn't missed. And then

622
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you know, Coach Painter's eyes were like, yeah,

623
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: we need you, we want you. So I went from

624
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: directly from there to Canisius to visit can I love Canesius,

625
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 4: but my dad brought me there and then he knows

626
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 4: I just wanted to visit the Purdue and they won't

627
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: be really badly and my dad Canacius. I'm like, like,

628
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 4: this is this is what you want to pick over Purdue.

629
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: This is it.

630
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 4: So honestly though, my brother came in and said, listen,

631
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: like you want to go to the NBA, you want

632
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: to all these things. He goes, if you're good enough,

633
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: they will find you. European teams will find you. He

634
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: would be your best chance to go and just go

635
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: get buckets and show you're doing. And that was the

636
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: best advice I could have got because when I when

637
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: I decided to go to Canisius, like the work ethic

638
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: just went through the roof because now here's the chip

639
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: on the shoulder just got even bigger, way bigger because

640
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 4: they just fired my father. They didn't offer me, you're right,

641
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 4: didn't off me a scholarship. Okay, I'm going to Canisius.

642
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: I started acc now here. I am a walk on

643
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: technically at Canesius because I'm playing for my father. And

644
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, this isn't how I'm going to go out,

645
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: Like there is just no way this is how I'm

646
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 4: going to go out, Like I see a professional career

647
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: in my eyes, Like this is how I've worked my

648
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Speaker 4: whole life, like this is what I want to do,

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Speaker 4: and it was. Honestly, it was great, like I still

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Speaker 4: believe to this day. Like I don't want to jump

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Speaker 4: too far ahead, but I try to tell players. Now,

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Speaker 4: if I had stayed in Virginia and let's just say

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Speaker 4: I averaged eight to ten points a game, which would

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Speaker 4: be really good in Tony Bennett system, and we went

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Speaker 4: to the Final four, Let's say we would go to

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Speaker 4: Final four. I don't make as much money or I

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Speaker 4: don't have as many pre draft work out as if

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Speaker 4: I went to Canesius and averaged the twenty four that

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 3: You're, by the way, you're making my recruiting pitch right now.

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Speaker 4: But I try to tell you, and this is what

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Speaker 4: my brother was telling me during that time before I

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Speaker 4: committed to Canecious, and it was the best thing for

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Speaker 4: me because I got to prove myself. And then you know,

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Speaker 4: when you average twenty four, you leave college with a

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Speaker 4: bunch of confidence like let's go, like, let's keep we

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Speaker 4: got That's the part.

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Speaker 2: That's the part that I don't think enough people understand.

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Speaker 2: It's not about the awards, the attention, whatever you have

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Speaker 2: zero chance of being a professional basketball player if you

671
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Speaker 2: aren't crazy confident, especially when you're like you're, you know,

672
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Speaker 2: six to six foot white guy, Like you got no chance, none.

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Speaker 2: And what happens is guys go to guys go to

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Speaker 2: a level that's too high or even the level they

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Speaker 2: can play at. But like you got to adjust your

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Speaker 2: game because you're not the best player and you're not

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Speaker 2: the go to guys, so you got to kind of

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Speaker 2: fit in and just figure out how to get on

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Speaker 2: the court.

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Speaker 3: Which is great and it teaches.

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Speaker 2: You about being a teammate and teaches it, but in

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Speaker 2: terms of professional basketball, like, man, that makes it really

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Speaker 2: hard because then you get to the pros and like

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Speaker 2: I tell guys, all the type okay, so remember you're

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Speaker 2: there's eight seconds lay across mid court, set of ten,

686
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Speaker 2: there's twenty four second shot cock, set of thirty three

687
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: point lines, deeper, lane lines wider, So all of the

688
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: rules make it harder. Everybody you play against is better, longer, bigger,

689
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: better smarter than you've ever played against.

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Speaker 3: And you got to do it in a condensed amount

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Speaker 3: of time.

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Speaker 2: You don't get like thirty four minutes to like figure

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Speaker 2: out miss your first five or six. Don't worry, I'm

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00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: gonna get five or six right, right, doesn't work out

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Speaker 2: that way. You're not accomplishing shit unless you are one.

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00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: You've had the reps of you know, the volume of reps,

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Speaker 2: and then you you have supreme self confidence. And then

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Speaker 2: kind of we go through the Hey who's your favorite player? Like, ah,

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Speaker 2: Damian Lillard, Oh that's funny. He went to Weaver's Day, right,

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Speaker 2: Steph Curry, he went to Danansen, he went to Lehigh.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but how'd your ego handle? Like? Is it Virginia

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Speaker 3: Rhode Islands.

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Speaker 4: So now when I'm asked, hey, where'd you go to college?

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell like, I went to three schools and

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Speaker 4: end up Cancius blah blah blah, all that stuff, and

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Speaker 4: it's you know, I love Canacius. They I met my

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Speaker 4: wife there. Great, I love I love it. But you know,

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Speaker 4: growing up, maybe it's not the place you you intend.

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Speaker 2: To close your eyes and go like, I'm at Canius, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we're playing in the mac Championship and we're going

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Speaker 2: against Sienna right with the Patroons used to playing at

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Speaker 2: the was It Times Union Center?

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Speaker 3: And I hit the shot. They're like that isn't anybody's dream,

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Speaker 3: Let's not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I've gotten over it the way things

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Speaker 4: turned out. Like I'm extremely grateful for all things turned out,

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Speaker 4: and like I'll look at my kids, like I got

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Speaker 4: three boys. I hope they I hope they play basketball, honestly,

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Speaker 4: and I'm a look at them like when shit goes

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Speaker 4: wrong for them, I'm like, listen, like this is my story,

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Speaker 4: this is that, and they'll roll their eyes and like

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Speaker 4: it's true, Like I picked them. I could have quit basketball.

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Speaker 4: My dad got fired all of a sudden. Here I

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Speaker 4: am junior year on a third school, going to Canisius,

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Speaker 4: and yet my goal the whole time was to go

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Speaker 4: to the NBA. Was it be a professional. And here

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Speaker 4: I am my junior year with two years left, and

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Speaker 4: this is where I'm at. And it's like you can

729
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Speaker 4: either you know, pack up your bags and be like

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Speaker 4: all right, I'll just kind of like, you know, try

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Speaker 4: to average eight to ten, you know whatever, trying to

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Speaker 4: have fun, or you can go for it, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean? Which one is it going to be?

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Speaker 2: All Right, that's it for part one of our pod.

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably gonna be a three part pod

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Speaker 2: with Billy Barron. Pretty awesome stuff, reminded The Doug Gottlieb Show,

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Speaker 2: broadcast live daily on Fox Sports Radio on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: We go from three to five eastern twelve two Pacific.

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Speaker 2: You can download that as a podcast or even download

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Speaker 2: this podcast.

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Speaker 3: And I I have so many thanks for.

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Speaker 2: People who they continue to make this not only this

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Speaker 2: pod possible, but but this gig is special. One I

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Speaker 2: mentioned a lot meets uh in the in I'll mention

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Speaker 2: it in the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Scott and Kelly Perry, you guys have been awesome.

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Speaker 2: We're starting to, you know, work some some business with

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Speaker 2: with the gun, which of course is a basketball I

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Speaker 2: guess feeding training device if you will. And then, as

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Speaker 2: many of you have noticed, our good friends at Liquid

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Speaker 2: Death have hopped on board as well. UH with the

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Speaker 2: program and UH and with me specifically, and uh, I've

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Speaker 2: been murdering my thirst ever since. Well listen, we got

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Speaker 2: more all balls to come. Okay, so make sure you

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Speaker 2: tell a friend download, rate, download, subscribe.

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Speaker 3: And rate review and uh.

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Speaker 2: In a couple of days we'll drop part two, and

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Speaker 2: a couple of days after that we'll drop part three.

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Speaker 3: It gets better and better. Thanks so much for listening.

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