1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,519 Speaker 1: A great deal for the Dodgers, great deal for Mickey Rowe, 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: and I love the fact that they just they put 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: the language out there already. He is going to remain 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: in the organization. He is going to be involved in 5 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: some way. 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, Welcome to Dodgers Territory, a brand new, fresh 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: episode on this Thursday, December fourth. My name is Alana Rizzo. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: That is Clint to CEUs. We are psyched that you 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: are here. Please rate us five stars, like and subscribe 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: as Clint and I do our damnedest to get to 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: fifteen thousand subscribers. We appreciate you guys so much. You 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: can do it on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts, 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: whether it's Apple or Spotify or whatever float your boat. 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: We appreciate that very much. A lot to talk about. 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: Eric Vickory is going to be joining the show later 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: on in just a few minutes. He's an author talking 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: about Tommy Lasorda and the best draft class in his 18 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: opinion that ever was. So we're going to talk to 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: him about that. But I tell you what, we got 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: some news. Welcome back, MIGGI Roe. 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: News. 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: A lot of. 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: News news we have. It's kind of a warm stove 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: Clint Pius, Miguel Rojas was retiring. Then he wasn't. He 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: was a World Series hero, and he's coming back, reportedly 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: on a one year deal. Our friend Fabi and Ardaiya 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: with The Athletic says that McDill Miguel Rojas is coming 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: back with the Doyers for his final season. We think 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: it's his final season in the big League's gonna one year, 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: five and a half million dollar deal. Sources confirmed. Daniel 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: alvarez Ee was on it. Rojas is then expected to 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: assist the Dodgers front office and player development once his 33 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: time as a player is done. So it's not only 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: this next year, but he also has the next level 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: of job opportunity. MIGGI row working it. I love it. 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm good for him. You know what he said, he 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: was going to retire, and he didn't want to retire, 38 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: and he's coming back with the Dodgers. He wanted to 39 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 2: finish his career there. This is good for La Clinton. 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: Five and a half million, that's nothing, good for good 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: for McGough ross. 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I got that in my back pocket. 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: You know, really money there, easy money. No great deal 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: for the Dodgers, great deal for Mickey Row. Obviously, this 45 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: is one of those moves I predicted last about a 46 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: month ago when I did the nine Dodgers who will 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: return won't be returning? I said, between him and Keik, 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee that Miguil Rojas would be the 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: guy returning keyk. You know, jury still a little bit 50 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: out on where that ends up. But a great deal. 51 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: And I love the fact that they just they put 52 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: the language out there already. He is going to remain 53 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: in the organization. He is going to be involved in 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: some way, whether it's a coach, whether it's you know, 55 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: some sort of roving instructor or whatever. That role is 56 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: going to be. Obviously right now it's going to be 57 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: a little ambiguous because he's still got another season or 58 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: another World Series to win. But great deal. Five and 59 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: a half MILLI easy money for the dude. And it's 60 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: nice to know that not all of Andrew Friedman and companies, 61 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: I guess Andrew and Farhan, not all of their their 62 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, time is going to that Lakers, gig no. 63 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: I think that the Dodgers are still their priority. Tie. 64 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: If Cartman from South Park has anything to say about it, yeah, 65 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: good for him. I don't know what does this mean 66 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: to you in terms of the likelihood Clymphesias that they 67 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: bring back Kik. They're similar players, right, They're both postseason heroes. 68 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: Kik has more of a a resume of being a 69 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: postseason hero, but Miguel has done some other things and 70 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: he's obviously much more of a player coach, I guess, 71 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: but they are very similar in their styles. Does that 72 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: mean that Key k is not coming back? I mean, 73 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: how do you see this playing out for him? 74 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a team that really loves competition 75 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: in spring training. I think it helps this team a 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: whole bunch, you know, Dave Robertson and company to have 77 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: more people veterans, good players, living players show up in 78 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: spring training and battle fight for jobs. It really comes 79 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: down to how much they trust Hessan Kim to be 80 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: playing some sort of role for the team or you know, 81 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: also to a degree, I guess with Keik not so much. 82 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: To a degree, the health of Tommy Edmund, because the 83 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: expectation is Tommy is gonna miss you know, he could 84 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: miss a couple of weeks into the season coming off 85 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: the ankle surgery. Not that there's anything out there about that. 86 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, if it comes down to to the Dodgers 87 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: and KEYK reuniting, it's gonna come back to what you 88 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: and I spoke with Andrew Friedman about on this show 89 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: last offseason, the importance of him in that clubhouse, his 90 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: ability to step up big when it matters most. And 91 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: the good thing is with key K, we know he's 92 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: gonna miss the first month, maybe two months with that 93 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: elbow surgery. It gives him time where and the organization 94 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: time where if another job, another opportunity doesn't arrive, arise 95 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: somewhere along the way, he's gonna be sitting there. Then 96 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: Dodgers are gonna sign him and he'll be around, He'll 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: be in the organ and then eventually October will come 98 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: and he'll be happy with this new healthy elbow. 99 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: You know what I'm telling you. I know it sounds 100 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: a little silly. Again, it's very easy for me to 101 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: spend other people's money, But if I'm Andrew Friedman, I'm like, 102 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: you know what I'm telling Key K. Right now, you 103 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: go ahead and heal up. Son. We're not gonna need 104 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: you obviously for the first two months of the season. 105 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: This is a club that's built on October. That is 106 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: where you shine, take all the time you need. I 107 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: don't know that there is you know, twenty another teams 108 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: banging down the door to get key K because they 109 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks look at his regular 110 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: season average, they don't realize unless you're watching the Dodgers 111 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: all of the time, and if you know key K, 112 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: they're not begging for KEYK to join their team. So 113 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: I do think this might be a situation where they're like, 114 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: we're gonna, we're gonna sign you. It's right, I know, 115 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 2: we don't, don't. I know, right, We're gonna sign you 116 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: when the sixty dayil opens up or what kind of 117 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: like an Evan Phillips situation, right, Evan Phillips on a 118 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: position players side. I do hope to see key K 119 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: again with the Los Angeles Dodgers. 120 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: One final thought on it too is I love I 121 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: think it was something that Miguel Rojas said a couple 122 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, the idea, the ability to have them 123 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: all run it back. He believes they all deserve it 124 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But to 125 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: button this up. Congrats to Miguel Rojas staying home, being 126 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: in the right spot, spent ten years or so away 127 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: from the organization, but he's back and he's here, and 128 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: he is ready to continue doing a phenomenal job off 129 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: the bench in whatever role, and he ends up needing 130 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: to play for this team outside of Miggy Roe. Since 131 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: we were last live, there was another move you want 132 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: to tell the fine folks and one of the Yeah, 133 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I. 134 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: Think everyone knows at this point, but let's talk about it. 135 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: Devin Williams is not coming to Los Angeles, guys, and 136 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: that's okay. I mean, he's staying in the Nationally John 137 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: Hayman on X saying that the Mets have signed him 138 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: apparently for a forty five million dollars do you for 139 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: three years? So what does that mean? As far as 140 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: the Dodgers' back end of the relieving core closer situation 141 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: is concerned. Ry sell Iglesia stays with Atlanta, Ryan Helsley 142 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: goes to the Orioles. Devin Williams apparently is now a Met. 143 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: So you still have the biggest name out there in 144 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz. Now, the Mets, from what I understand, are 145 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: not closing the door on bringing back Edwin Diaz, but 146 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: it seems like the door is pretty closed, right If 147 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: you're breaking on Devin Williams, what is the likelihood that 148 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: they also signed Edwin Diaz. I don't see that, And 149 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: I think Edwin Diaz is going to want a five 150 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: year deal. I don't. I am more than you. I 151 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: think we need a closer. You don't think we need 152 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: a closer. But I am not paying a closer a 153 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: five year deal. I'm not paying a closer for five years. 154 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: So let's say five years and probably about twenty million 155 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: a year. I don't know. I don't think the Dodgers 156 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: go that route either. But we know Steve Cohen has 157 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: crazy money. We also know that the GM David Steren's 158 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: over there with the Mets not very big on investing 159 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: in relievers. It is kind of a shock that they 160 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: go with Devin Williams. But it is only three years. 161 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 1: It's not a massive commitment there Seemingly. You would argue, 162 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: and we talked about this on my All Dodgers Show, 163 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: you would argue that maybe it opens the door a 164 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: little bit more for the Dodgers. I mean, they have 165 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: the most money. Maybe the Yankees get in the mix 166 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: and they just do some sort of weird closer slap 167 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: swap there. My thing is, are the Dodgers willing to 168 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: go to that kind of price range? I don't think so. 169 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: I think this is one of those off seasons where 170 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: they are waiting. They they aren't willing to go to 171 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: the agent's markets, they aren't willing to go to the 172 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: player's markets. They're waiting. They're back to being normal, back 173 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: to pre Shoheo Tani days where there aren't a lot 174 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: of holes on this roster right now. Yes, there are 175 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: a couple of holes, some nice you know, left field 176 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: you'd like to add to. And we'll look at something 177 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: in a little bit that tells you what the team 178 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: would look like right now if the season were to 179 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: start and there is Miguel Rojas in there now. But 180 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: that's a big question, like are they willing to go 181 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: to a five and twenty, you know, five and one 182 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: hundred million? And do they need to? I don't think so. 183 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: I don't think they do either. 184 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: I don't. 185 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't see a world in which the 186 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: way that the game has changed, Clint. I don't see 187 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: a world where you need to play a dude one 188 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars to be your closer. I think you 189 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: could be serving. And again, like I am more of 190 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: the the school of like we need all closer, but 191 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: I don't need I don't need one hundred million dollar closer. 192 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: I don't need to be on the hook for an 193 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz for five years for one hundred million dollars. 194 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 2: I would be happy. 195 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: I was. 196 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: I would have been really happy with the Devin Williams 197 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: three year, forty five million. But that being said, I'm 198 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: still okay with I don't like closer by committee, and 199 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: I hated the fact that Dave had to figure out 200 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: every flip and night of the World Series and the 201 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 2: postseason like what he was doing, but he did it beautifully. 202 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: But I don't want, like that's that's unnecessary stress that 203 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: I don't need. But I'm saying I'm okay with the 204 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: fact that, you know, okay, Devin Williams is not going 205 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: to be a Dodger, Okay, But I don't need I 206 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: don't need a I don't need an Edwin Diaz price tag. 207 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: And you know, you could argue they already you know, 208 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: kind of made that play last year with the Tanner 209 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: Scott signing. 210 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: You. 211 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: I think we're all really crossing our fingers and every 212 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: other digit that we can that Tanner Scott rebounds, it 213 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: becomes a dude we assumed he was going to be. 214 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: But still they're in a good spot the bitching side 215 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: of things. We can have more conversation, I'm sure. I'm 216 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: sure we'll have a lot more conversation that week next 217 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: week as the Winter Meetings kick off. But this thing, 218 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: and obviously Dodgers now they re signed Miguel Rojas. He's 219 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: not one of the top free agent names out there, 220 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: but losing out missing out on some of those names 221 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: that they have been linked to, some of the bigger news, 222 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, free agent right handed, free agent relievers, all 223 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. The way that the offseason has 224 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: played out so far. Yes, still early. Like I said, 225 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: so I got the Winter Meetings next week. I that's 226 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: the thing I wonder I'm kind of asking myself aloud, 227 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: and apparently everybody here in you is, like, what happens 228 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: if the Dodgers do miss on the big targets? Like 229 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a major problem. 230 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: I don't know that there's like a big target. I mean, 231 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: what are the big targets? In your opinion, outfield is 232 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: a problem. Right, So we now know that Cedric Mullins 233 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: is signed with the Tampa Bay Race. Okay, so we 234 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: know that Cedric Mallins is not going to be in 235 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: the Dodgers outfield. So what does that leave it? Either 236 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 2: it either means a Stephen Kwan trade with the Guardians, 237 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: it means a Byron Buxton trade with the Twins, or 238 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 2: it means a free agent outfielder Mike Yastremski. 239 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: A my dog doesn't like, okay, sure sure, sure yeah, 240 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: or the big name. 241 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: Or the Kyle Tucker the world. As as much as 242 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: I'm not paying Edwin d As one hundred million for 243 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: five years, I am not paying Kyle Tucker four hundred 244 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 2: million or whatever it is that he's gonna get. He's 245 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: a serviceable outfielder, but he's not a five or four 246 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: hundred million dollar outfielder. 247 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 248 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: I would take my chances with ta Oscar, with Tommy Edmund, 249 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: with Andy Paz and whoever the f we're going to 250 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: throw in left field, whether that's Ryan Ward or Alex 251 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: call who, by the way, is coming on our show 252 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: on Monday. I don't need I'm not paying four hundred 253 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: million for Kyle Tucker, I'm just not. 254 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: Well either way, we're not. I guess we are in 255 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form through either Mitch a lot 256 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: of sales and hot dog sales and parking sales and 257 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. 258 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. That's a silly that's really 259 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: pricetag me. 260 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: It's less about the money, it's more about the commitment. 261 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: And you know, we've talked about the whole idea of 262 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: the Padres have a bunch of years committed to aging stars, 263 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: aging superstars that are all going to be in their 264 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: late thirties, some even into their forties by the end 265 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: of their contracts. I don't like the idea of the 266 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: Dodgers having a bunch of those type of dudes. Maybe 267 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: maybe Kyle Tucker, you know, profiles to being a very 268 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: good hitter and the still being a very good hitter 269 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: and decent enough outfielder towards the tail end of that contract. 270 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: But you still also have Mookie under contract for years, 271 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: show Heyo Tani under contract for years, and not to 272 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: say both of them can't hold up, but still to 273 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: have when there are already conversations about age and the 274 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: age of this roster and all that kind of stuff 275 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: to be stuck in so many words with guys that 276 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: are going to be playing almost into their forties. I 277 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: don't know that that is the best play. I do 278 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: know they need a left fielder. It's probably not going 279 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: to be Tucker. Probably maybe won't be Cody Bellinger. And 280 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of the market I'm thinking about. Like the 281 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: way things are playing out, I think they'll miss out 282 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: on the bigger targets. And we talked earlier today about this, 283 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: the whole idea of like what do the Dodgers look 284 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: like if the season started right now? Putting this on 285 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: the screen for the people who are watching and not 286 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: listening to the podcast side. A lot of the same 287 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: names that just won a World Series are out there, Alana. 288 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: The biggest difference is left field is Ryan Ward, but 289 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: he's taken over for a keyk. Hernanezu didn't really hit 290 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: in the postseason, and Michael. 291 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 2: Can Forda was a black k hit in the postseason. 292 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: No I did. 293 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: He did for a little bit, then then he stopped 294 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: hitting after aggravating that elbow. He played defense, He played 295 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: in the phenomenal defense. All that kind of stuff. I'm 296 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: not taking away I'm not saying Kik was a problem. 297 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: Nobody hit in the postseason for what it's worth. 298 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you this, like throw throw 299 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: your beautiful graphic threw up that beautiful bean footage again, 300 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: because Ryan Ward no disrespect to mister Ward and certainly 301 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: no disrespect to his parents. That cannot be your starting 302 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: left fielder for the Los Angeles Daughters. The rest of 303 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: the rest of the field, I'm fine with. But that 304 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: that ain't it, Okay, Like I'm sorry, I guess And 305 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: this is this is assuming Clymphesias that ta Oscar Hernandez 306 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: is gonna be like one of those swing players that 307 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: you were talking about in terms of a Taoscar rebound. 308 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: You're assum that Teo is going to be as good 309 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: as he was in twenty twenty four. Okay, you're hoping 310 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: for that because he struggled in twenty twenty five, especially 311 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: coming off of that injury. I'm fine with the Andy 312 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: Paez experiment. He runs some interesting routes, but he is 313 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: getting better. But if you don't have a left fielder 314 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: that is that is a bona fide left fielder, and 315 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to throw Dalton Rushing out there. I'm 316 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: sorry that ain't the answer either, because I know, I 317 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: know that he's had some time in Triple A in 318 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: left field, but he is built like a brick house. 319 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: He needs to show what he can do behind the 320 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: plate to spell Will Smith, especially if maybe Dalton can 321 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: move into the primary catching role if Will goes to 322 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: first eventually, you know, when Freddy retires and all the things. 323 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: My point is Ryan Ward is not your starting left 324 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: fielder for the Los Angeles Dodgers on opening day, like 325 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: you need somebody else. 326 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, focusing on the twenty twenty six side of things, 327 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: and I'll put the graphic back up. I mean, he's 328 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: also seen some of the names in the depth chart 329 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: side of things. Alex Freeland I kept in there because 330 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: he is one of the infield options that is currently 331 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: still on the forty man roster. But yeah, as of 332 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: right now, Ryan Ward or Alex call are your opening 333 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: day left fielder Dalton Rushing. That's one spot, realistically, that 334 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: is one spot where he could find a way to 335 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: kind of slither into that lineup, you know, picking up 336 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: two more days, you know of playing time a week 337 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: if he can find a way to get some left 338 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: field in there, that would go a very very long 339 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: way for this roster for the kid beyond that, though, 340 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: you know Ryan Ward, you don't have a lot of 341 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: faith in him. He had a very good year, very 342 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: very good year at Triple As. 343 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: I have faith in him. There's no reason to have 344 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: faith in him. 345 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: So he's never done it putting words here out there. Yeah, 346 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: maybe twenty ten Dodgers. I think of a Jerry Sands 347 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: type of dude. Type of dude twenty ten Dodgers, twenty 348 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: the right now, most teams, let's say the right now 349 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: White Sox can run why Ryan Ward out there and 350 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: you probably might feel pretty good. But a team that's 351 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: trying to go and run it back for you know, 352 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: it's third championship in a row. Yeah, Ryan Ward. And 353 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: even Alex Call as good as he was in you know, uh, 354 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: particularly the postseason in the small sample size and was 355 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: fine with the Dodgers and had you know, very nice 356 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: first half of the season with the Washington Nationals. Alex 357 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: Call probably shouldn't be your starting left fielder. He can 358 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: be part of the platoon. He could be, you know, 359 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: pick up playing time as a fourth outfielder. Very very 360 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: good fourth field outfielder and all that kind. 361 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: Of stuff, and we'll talk to him about that, Like 362 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: he's kind enough to join us on Monday, and we will. 363 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: We will talk to Alex about the season that was 364 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 2: for him and like his role moving forward and the 365 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: outfield situation for the Dodgers and all the things. But 366 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: I think if you're really thinking about the holes that 367 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: need to be filled, left field is one of those. 368 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent right. I mean, we have enough infielders, 369 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 2: We have enough utility guys. We have enough. I say, 370 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: we have enough, you know what I mean? We have 371 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: really good starting pitching. But yeah, left field is an 372 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: interesting question mark for sure. 373 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think you know, to kind of button 374 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: this up and move on. We obviously have a guest waiting. 375 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: I still think they'd likely find a way to to 376 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: sign some insurance pieces, some competition for in spring training. 377 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: They love those kind of dudes. You're Jason Hayward's. Obviously, 378 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: Confordo did not work out, but there have been plenty 379 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: of other dude, plenty of other dudes who have worked 380 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: out in some way, shape or form. They need a 381 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: solid right handed reliever does not need to be a 382 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: top tier right handed believer does not need to be 383 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: a closer, and they need a veteran left fielder. If 384 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: it is a Yastremsky, you know that is that is 385 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: one of the options. They will find somebody. But the 386 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: thing is, most of the pieces are already in place, and 387 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: that's a good, very good position. 388 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: For you said it really well, that's a really good 389 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: position to be in. So much more to come on 390 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: Dodger's territory. Eric Vickory is going to be joining us momentarily, 391 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: but first a word from our friends have fell KP. 392 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 4: The website is Chubbyshorts dot com. 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Thanks 424 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: for taking the time to be with Clinton US today 425 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 2: on Dodgers' territory. Tell us first of all, how this 426 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: particular subject matter interested you. Why Tommy Lesorta and that 427 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: particular draft class. 428 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm always interested in kind of under the 429 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 3: radar baseball stories, and really this came to my mind 430 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago when I wrote a book 431 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 3: about the nineteen forty six Spoken Indians, which was minor 432 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: league baseball team that was involved in a tragic bus accident. 433 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 3: And it was kind of during the research of that 434 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: book that I learned about the nineteen seventy Spokane Indians, 435 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: which was one of the greatest minor league teams ever assembled. 436 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 3: There were seven future All Stars on the team, and 437 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: of course this was a Dodgers TRIPAA affiliate and the 438 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: team was managed by Tommy Lasorda. So when I saw 439 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: that roster and just the amount of talent on that team, 440 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 3: I really piqued my interest. So I decided to really 441 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: dig into that, and what I learned is that most 442 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: of those players came from the draft class of nineteen 443 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: sixty eight, which is by all accounts, the greatest draft 444 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 3: class in baseball history. So I thought it'd be a 445 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: fun project and set out to tell the full story 446 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 3: from the adoption of the amateur draft in sixty five 447 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: through the Dodgers sixty eight draft and then this nineteen 448 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: seventy Spokane Indians team. 449 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: Now, when you look at that class, it is an 450 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: unbelievably impressive class. So the Dodgers end up drafting six 451 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 2: future All Stars in nineteen sixty eight, headlined by future 452 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: nl MVP and National League Ironman Steve Garvey. Tell the 453 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: folks that are listening and watching, Eric, who else was 454 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: on or in that draft class and why it was 455 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: so intriguing. 456 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the number one draft pick in the June 457 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: sixty eight draft was actually Bobby Valentine, who, given all 458 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: the talent you see there, Bobby Valentine was actually considered 459 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 3: the best prospect of the mall. He was a star 460 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 3: football player in Connecticut and actually committed to USC and 461 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: was gonna take over for O. J. Simpson as running 462 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 3: back at USC, but the Dodgers talked him into signing 463 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 3: and he won a couple MVP awards in the Minor leagues, 464 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 3: but ultimately injuries kind of derailed his career later on. 465 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, plenty of other talented players on that out 466 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: of that sixty eight class. Of course, the Dogs future 467 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: infield three of the four came out of that class, 468 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: Ron Say, Davey Lopes, and of course Steve Garvey. Tom 469 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: Patuak was an outfielder. Future All Star Doyle Alexander Jeff 470 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: Zhon were a couple of pitchers that won over one 471 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: hundred games in the majors. So there's kind of a 472 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: laundry list of future stars out of that sixty eight 473 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: class that really sort of reshaped the direction of the 474 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 3: Dodgers franchise in the seventies. 475 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean you look at all those names. 476 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: Of course, you think about Tom Losorda in there a 477 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: lot of those players. All of those players played in 478 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: one under Tommy at Triple A. Of course, you mentioned 479 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: Spokane Indians eventually becoming the Albuquerque Dukes. They win in 480 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: seventy two. Everybody essentially gets called up and they start 481 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: winning at the big league level. Tommy piloted them to 482 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: a number of World Series births. All of them kind 483 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: of make it through and eventually reached that Final Mountain 484 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: beating the in nineteen eighty one, and then of course 485 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: everybody kind of goes away talking about the Tommy factor. 486 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: This is this one's for me. Tommy's former players. Dudes 487 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: have stories. They got a lot of Tommy stories. I'm 488 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: curious about some of the guys you ended up speaking with. 489 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: What was your favorite Losorda story or Losorda ism that 490 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: maybe was shared amongst several players, or just something that 491 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: really stuck to you. 492 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: Wow. So that's that's a tough question to answer because 493 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: there were so many Lasorta stories, and I really the 494 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: book actually starts with Lasorda as a scout. The first 495 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: chapter is him attending the funeral of Willy Crawford's grandfather. Lasorda, 496 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 3: this was in nineteen sixty four was trying to recruit 497 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 3: and sign Willy Crawford for the Dodgers, and this was 498 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 3: a year before the Amateur Draft, and Lasorda went to 499 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 3: Willie's grandfather's funeral and actually ends up giving the eulogy 500 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: at the funeral, as only tell me Lasorda could. And 501 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: then a year later, the Dodgers hired Lasorta to be 502 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 3: a rookie league manager, so he managed in the rookie 503 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: Leagues and Pocatella, Idaho, and Ogden, Utah for four years 504 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 3: and interviewed a number of players from those teams, And 505 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 3: what I found was interesting is that Losorta was really 506 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 3: the guy you saw later in Los Angeles, way back 507 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 3: in the mid sixties in rookie ball. He was, you know, 508 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 3: third base coach slash manager, dancing around in the coach's box, 509 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: the ultimate motivator, telling his players that are some of 510 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 3: they They're going to play at Dodger Stadium. So he 511 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 3: really convinced these young rookie league players that they were 512 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: going to reach the major league someday, even though many 513 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: of them, most of them in fact, didn't have a chance. 514 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 3: One of my favorite stories involving Losorta came from a 515 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 3: cup of coffee pitcher named Bruce Brubaker. He had a 516 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: really short major league career, he told me in nineteen 517 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: sixty nine with the Spokane Indians. Bruce was pitching it 518 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: in Tacoma one day and Lasorda got ejected from the game, 519 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: and shocking, yeah, not at all unusual. And then so 520 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 3: Bruce is in the on deck circle and he hears 521 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: his voice coming from the crowd and he he looks 522 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 3: over and he realized it's Lasorda in disguise. He had 523 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 3: snuck into the stands and was giving his players signs 524 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 3: from the crowd in a in a costume. 525 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: And then and then decades that's where Bobby Valentine learned 526 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: different exactly. 527 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 3: So decades later, Bayer is watching a game on ESPN 528 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 3: and sees the highlight of Bobby Valentine doing the exact 529 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: same thing. And it turns out Bobby was the short 530 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: stop for the Spokane Indians that day, and so it's 531 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: undoubtedly where he learned. 532 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: That unbelievable and oral Erscheiser was in that game or 533 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: in the dugout as well, obviously now the Dodgers longtime broadcaster. 534 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: That's a great story. I'd never heard that before. Eric, 535 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: thanks for sharing that. Do you think that there is 536 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: any sort of comparable draft class in today's game in 537 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: terms of accolades or potential? Then that nineteen sixty eight class, 538 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: what would be the closest if there is even one. 539 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, really, there's no one even close to that, no 540 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: matter how you look at it. So in terms of 541 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 3: war wins above replacement, that draft class had two hundred 542 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: and thirty four wins above replacement. The next closest draft 543 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: class was about one hundred and eighty war and that 544 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: was basically almost all Roger Clemens and Ellis Burks. The 545 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 3: only other in terms of number of future major leaguers 546 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 3: the Mets eighty two class. They had seventeen future major leaguers, 547 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 3: including Dwight Gooden and Roger McDowell, but again didn't come 548 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 3: close to reaching the success of the sixty eight team. 549 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 3: That group had over eleven thousand hits combined over eleven 550 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: hundred home runs and three hundred wins from their pitchers. So, 551 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 3: anyway you look at it, sixty eight DoD your sixty 552 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 3: eight draft class is the best of all time. 553 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked out pretty dang good for that team, 554 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: for that organization. Still working out. Hey, back then, they 555 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: hired all these dudes to be scouts, and it kind 556 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: of broke the draft. I love part of the I 557 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: guess the liner notes of your book or whatever it 558 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: would be from your publisher mentioning you know, the draft 559 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: was kind of instituted to help the poor clubs, to 560 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: help bad clubs get better. Dodgers are already a good club. 561 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: I found a way to get better by finding the 562 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: best talent out there. And again that's still something we 563 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: see this organization enploying today by having the best scouting 564 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: you possibly can out there. You mentioned that record setting infield. 565 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: Three of those guys were drafted in that draft club 566 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: with Garby Lopes, and say they join shortstop Bill Russell 567 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: and go on to play together for eight and a 568 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: half seasons. Do you ever think we'll see anything close up, 569 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: maybe even like five years together. Well, we see an 570 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: infield play five years together in this game, in this modern. 571 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: Game, Yeah, that would really be hard to imagine. As 572 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 3: much player movement as there is today with free agency 573 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: and trades. I really don't envision that at all unless 574 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: somehow a group all came up at the same time together. 575 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: And you know the club control clubs have six years 576 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: of control over players, So but as far as eight 577 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: and a half years, I don't think that'll ever be topped. 578 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. I doubt very seriously that we'll ever see anything 579 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: of the likes of that. Again, Eric, the holiday season 580 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 2: is upon us. I know you can pre order the 581 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: book now, but tell us how we can get our 582 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: hands on this. 583 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. The book officially comes out on December seventh, so 584 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: it'll be available everywhere at that time. Right now, my publisher, 585 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: which is called August Publications, is doing an exclusive pre order, 586 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 3: so for the next few days you can order from them. 587 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: I also think it's available on Barnesandoble dot Com for 588 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: pre order. After December seventh, it'll be available on Amazon. 589 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 3: I always encourage people to check out your local independent 590 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: bookstores as well. Yeah, I'm excited to see it come 591 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 3: to fruition after working on it for a year. 592 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 4: And a half. 593 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm certain that it's going to be nice to 594 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: finally get it in your hands and take a look 595 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: at all the different work and all the time that 596 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: you put into it. Eric Victory, author of Before They 597 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: Wore Dodger Blue, Tommy Lesorda, and the greatest Draft class 598 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: in baseball history. Thanks for taking the time and taking 599 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: us kind of down memory lane. We wish you the 600 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: best of luck with the publication and the book sales. 601 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: Thanks Alan, and Clinton is great talking to you than 602 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: you all right? 603 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: Eric, thanks so much. All right, Clinton, let's take a 604 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 2: look at last licks. 605 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: Let's do it. 606 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: All right, guys, let's do our thing right. Southern California. 607 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: I have so much faith in you, Dodgers fans, faith 608 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: in you. This is Lula Bene. She needs an adopter. Okay. 609 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: She is a sweetheart. She's a Border Collie German Shepherd mix. 610 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: She is a three legged tripod. It does not slow 611 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: her down. She does zoomies. She's all over the place. 612 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: She doesn't even know that she only has three legs. 613 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: Other than that, she's perfectly healthy. What happened was she 614 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 2: had a break. It healed very misaligned. In order to 615 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: give her the best quality of life, we needed to 616 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: amputate her back leg. She's spade, she's healthy, she's vaccinated, 617 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: she's awesome. She needs to be a solo dog right now, 618 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: and probably a home with older kids because she's a 619 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: little active in that type of thing. But if you 620 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: know anybody that would like to adopt her, man, she 621 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: is so ready for her forever home. So hit us 622 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: up on Gidrey's guardian dot org or any of my 623 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: socials for more information. All right, what are you doing 624 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: on all Dodgers with Clint Passias. Are you guys continuing 625 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: to hand out grades? 626 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we started our grade series this week. It's been fun. 627 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: It's been of course engaging because people get mad at 628 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: you when you don't give the grade that they wanted. 629 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: People will say we were harsh to Freddie Freeman earlier 630 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: in the week by giving him a bee. Actually I 631 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: think I gave him a B minus. But Freddy wasn't 632 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: as good as Freddy can usually be. He just went 633 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: on our Max Mountsey went on foul Territory earlier this 634 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: week and said, hey, Freddie is mad at himself even 635 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: hitting three hundred, or if he doesn't hit three hundred, 636 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: it's a waste of a season. It's a garbage season. 637 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: So we're continuing the series tonight tube in on the 638 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: All Dodgers YouTube channel. If you don't mind, we'd appreciate it. 639 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: But we got other news as part of our big. 640 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: Big, big crops to Katie Wu who has done a 641 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: great job covering the Saint Louis Cardinals for five seasons 642 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: for the Athletic, but she's going home. She's from California now, 643 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: albeit she's from northern California, but she's going to be 644 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 2: the second beat writer for the Athletic, joining our friend 645 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: Fabby and our Daya at the Athletics to cover your 646 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: Los Angeles Dodgers. So both Fabby and our Dia and 647 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: Katie WO will be the Dodgers beat reporters for the 648 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: Athletic Congratulations Katie on her opportunity to go back to 649 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 2: California and cover a championship organization. Ken Katie we progress. 650 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: This is huge, huge for us of course the network. 651 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll see her here on Dodgers Territory time 652 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: and time again. She covers a baseball the baseball great 653 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to see I'm happy to see her 654 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 1: come to LA and see what she can contribute to 655 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,719 Speaker 1: this organization, getting different different angles, different views for fans 656 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: who read and enjoy and all that kind of stuff. 657 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: So congrats Katie. Looking forward to getting to know Katie Wu. 658 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: But otherwise that's about it for us today. Hopefully you 659 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: guys enjoyed this Thursday edition of Dodgers' Territory. 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I did not put it up, 669 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: but it is behind me. 670 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 2: It's thirty two degrees here today, So please go ahead, 671 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: somebody and buy me a Dodgers Territory beanie because it 672 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: sucks in Massachusetts. All right, guys, we appreciate you very much. 673 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: Have a great Thursday, great rest of your week. Clinton, 674 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 2: I will be back on Monday. Go Dodgers. 675 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: Bye.