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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three hundred episodes.

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Speaker 1: One of the guys, this is Sparta and this is

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Speaker 1: a production of by Heart Radio. That was the first,

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Speaker 1: other than when we mentioned it last week, the first

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Speaker 1: time it has crossed my mind that this is season

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Speaker 1: three hundred, so of course PARTA. Yeah, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: special stuff planned.

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Speaker 2: Jack.

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Speaker 3: This should be the most four episodes. This should be

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Speaker 3: the most significant season because three hundred is like the

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Speaker 3: genesis point of everything.

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Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, it's like our favorite movie.

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Speaker 1: We saw each other in line for the movie three

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Speaker 1: hundred shirtless.

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Speaker 2: I remember whiling up.

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Speaker 3: You greased my back. I remember that's how I like, hey, bro,

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Speaker 3: you might get my back a little bit. And then

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Speaker 3: he told me my push up for hum was off,

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Speaker 3: and then I went to the bathroom sobbing. But then

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Speaker 3: you came back and he said, hey, buddy, I didn't

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Speaker 3: mean to say it like that.

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Speaker 2: You look great.

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Speaker 1: You look great, man.

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Speaker 3: We should really try and hit a ninety degree angle

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Speaker 3: if you're going all the way down, because I was

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Speaker 3: doing a real shallow like.

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Speaker 1: But then I told you about NAGT and how you

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Speaker 1: know how I know full that was and how you

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Speaker 1: could use it to control the world.

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Speaker 3: And you looked so cool with that boa like feather

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Speaker 3: boa around your neck like with test now, dude. And

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Speaker 3: then at the time I remember you introduced me or

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Speaker 3: you you introduced yourself to me as cryptic. You're like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm cryptic, and I was like, whoa what likerypt.

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Speaker 2: Is so good?

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, it's Tuesday, August fifteenth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, National Relaxation Day, National Leathercraft Day, National Lemon Merane

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Speaker 3: High Day, and v J Day and something about.

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Speaker 2: The war ending. Cool. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Cool. My name is Jack O'Brien AKA get your Ship,

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Speaker 1: get your whole ship bit. Hey, hey, get my ship,

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Speaker 1: get my whole shit bit. That is courtesy of Christy

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Speaker 1: Amagucci Man too too Legit to quit.

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Speaker 2: There were like four words.

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Speaker 1: In that AK and I forgot them for the first half,

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Speaker 1: but that's all right. Thank you for the AKA. Great

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Speaker 1: to see again, Christy. I'm thrilled to be joined as

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Speaker 1: always by my co host mister Miles.

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Speaker 4: Brad, Mister Miles Gray, AK, Crispy One Time Rolls filled

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Speaker 4: with avocado, chicken Too may Do and Mona Ray jack

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Speaker 4: Apple what Smoke Chris Bacon with housemad Ranchiito.

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Speaker 2: I love these egg rolls. I get them each time.

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Speaker 3: And obviously that's rich CPK. We're bringing it back obviously

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Speaker 3: right to post under the bridge. Talking about Jack evokes CPK,

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Speaker 3: and we had to bring up RHCPK again, So thank you,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 1: It hits different once, once you've had a long running

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Speaker 1: bit about RHCPK, going to CPK. HiT's a little different,

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Speaker 1: does it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It good feels good to have heartburn in a

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Speaker 2: place like this.

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Speaker 1: Well, miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our

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Speaker 1: third seats by one of the very phases, one more

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Speaker 1: hilarious and brilliant producer, TV writer. You know him from

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Speaker 1: the Yos This racist podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's Andrew Solidary Team.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Solidarity welcome.

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Speaker 2: I'm having trouble with some of the Union songs, man,

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Speaker 2: it's it's a little the Union song canon got a

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Speaker 2: little white. And then briefly I was like playing like

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Speaker 2: Communist Party Chinese music on my hype up to the

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Speaker 2: picket line. A little weird, A lot of a lot

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Speaker 2: of killing motherfuckers in those songs.

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Speaker 3: You didn't you sing like Bella Chow, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: like that one, good old, good old yarn from the

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Speaker 3: Italians anthem.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Yeah, there's there's a probably there's a

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Speaker 2: bunch of that. You know. Then there's probably a bunch

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Speaker 2: of stuff in Spanish that is that's my fault that

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Speaker 2: I went to Chinese communist.

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Speaker 1: Let you know first, you know, everybody out there singing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not it's the that was more of

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Speaker 2: a beginning of the strike thing. I think that was

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Speaker 2: when we're all like try to like try to be serious, try.

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Speaker 2: I think what it was was we're trying to impress

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Speaker 1: Your backs, just not picking up the signs.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's really it's really it's been uh,

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Speaker 2: it's been a good strike. I haven't seen you guys

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Speaker 2: in a minute, but you know, strike it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's why we wanted to have you

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Speaker 3: on because just there's it's constantly changing. And I think

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Speaker 3: also our understanding of the industry. I think especially for

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Speaker 3: like people outside of California, for ship outside of LA

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Speaker 3: have like a very like a perspective on what's happening,

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Speaker 3: and it's not fully formed, and I think you know,

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Speaker 3: to the purpose of today is to really like roll

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Speaker 3: what's at stake here truly, because we definitely got a

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Speaker 3: good intro when Adam Connover came on, and now that

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Speaker 3: like things are.

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Speaker 2: Slowly developing, we know a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: We kind of wanted to come back because this affects

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Speaker 3: like eighty percent of our listener's favorite guests. Like most

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Speaker 3: of y'all realize all the comedians that we have on,

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Speaker 3: a lot of them spend time in writers' rooms because

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Speaker 3: that's the they ain't. Like Marcella said, she's like, it

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Speaker 3: ain't happen. You're not getting it from stand up. So

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Speaker 3: I get while the homies end up going to write

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Speaker 3: because that's a way to carve out a life for yourself.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, looking forward to talking. I get it.

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Speaker 1: You guys have eaten it California Pizza Kitchen. You think

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Speaker 1: you understand what the strike is all about? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you've had in and out one's right,

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Speaker 3: you get it.

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Speaker 2: You got you now you've got a mc peek, right,

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Speaker 2: you could bash those yeah.

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Speaker 1: Shuah amcp K yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We'll work on it, resounding that out just to make sure.

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Speaker 1: Comes in.

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Speaker 2: But oh oh hey yeah yeah that's tough. That's tougher,

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Speaker 2: tough one. Uh a mrcpk. Yeah, it doesn't work. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: need a bigger room. We need a bigger room to Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, if we had, if we had enough enough

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Speaker 2: we give you the proper products. Sorry about that, that's right, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, Andrew, Before we get to all the strike stuff,

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Speaker 1: we do like to get to know our guests a

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Speaker 2: All right? This is this is uh gonna be I

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Speaker 2: think this one was okay, and it didn't really give

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Speaker 2: searched earlier this week? Is Splinter a weeb in the

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Speaker 2: you can go with classical depictions of Splinter. One is

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Speaker 2: essentially like an actual Japanese rat or sometimes a Japanese

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Speaker 2: believe the Newish depictions are he's just like a web

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Speaker 2: essentially just a New Yorker who loves Japanese culture so

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Speaker 2: much he decided he's not Hamato Yoshi anymore. I don't

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Speaker 2: but no, here they are not like he's yeah, what's

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so this is where it gets even weirder.

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Speaker 2: So I did not realize what this was until I

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Speaker 2: they split the difference. He's an Asian rat, but he's

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Speaker 2: still a web. How you do that? They basically are

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Speaker 2: like Ninja shit. He's just like he's like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Ninja's are cool.

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Speaker 3: So it's like kind of like Wu Tang adjacent like Theriza. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're just watching Kong Fu movies like that's how it

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Speaker 3: but it's like.

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Speaker 2: He's he is Asian. It's definitely not Japanese. Isn't no

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Speaker 1: I really like the movie right right, I haven't seen it,

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Speaker 1: but I will be taking my.

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Speaker 3: Oh my dude, so many of my my friends are like, yo,

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Speaker 3: you should go see it's it's not bad. Actually, because

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Speaker 3: like millennial parent were like, hey, I think my kids

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Speaker 3: I regret it, or that was the main threast.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like it wasn't bad. I don't regret it.

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Speaker 2: a dad. It is maybe my favorite movie. Sends everything

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Speaker 2: me specifically, Wow, Okay, that's yo. That's a heavy fucking

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Speaker 2: stamp of approval out here. I genuinely I walked out.

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Speaker 2: the day. My friend tourd to me like four minutes in.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I think this is the most beautiful

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Speaker 1: It's like it's animation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, animation. Yeah, the animation looks amazing. It's like

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Speaker 2: perfectly like Dudes our Age New York kind of like

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Speaker 2: it's I'm not saying it is the best movie. I'm

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Speaker 2: great great.

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Speaker 1: You like the fact that Splinter admits that his entry

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Speaker 1: point to ninja culture was these six samurai swords that

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Speaker 2: But I I think on the balance, that's better than

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Speaker 2: the other version, right, Like, yeah, the version I was

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Speaker 2: sold as a child, I was.

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Speaker 5: Like, this is this yeah, just this just the ship

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Speaker 5: where whatever version of him being a quote unquote actual

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Speaker 2: So I yeah, I think of the lesser of two

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Speaker 2: but it's better if he's not Japanese, right right right?

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Speaker 2: I don't Again, I'm like choosing not to unpack any

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Speaker 1: Did because you liked it so much.

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Speaker 2: it's just like the fucking like, yeah, the big movies

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Speaker 2: For Yeah, it's so gorgeous. And but there's a lot

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Speaker 1: That's so cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I highly recommend.

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Speaker 3: Like there is a like there's a Jordan's six like

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Speaker 2: You know, just the how deep that relationship was. It's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really it really, Uh, it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: What is uh, what's something you think is overrated? That?

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Speaker 2: thing that this strike has taught me is being comfortable

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Speaker 2: mad overrated. I don't give a fuck anymore. I'm just

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Speaker 2: I I went from one of the most comfortable shoes

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Speaker 1: Wow, out there barefoot, we're in the pump.

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Speaker 2: I I wore I went for a pair of Tivas. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've been go Tiva's occasionally, though, I'll just go, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Okay, they're walking arounding me comfortable, Yeah, they're they're they're

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Speaker 2: Light walk in the woods or I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: Fuck you. Yeah, I am. I am become death. I'm

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Speaker 2: I don't care.

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Speaker 1: There you go. That's why I take an ice bath

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Speaker 3: Go on this now this kind of resonates with me.

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Speaker 3: So you you try and push yourself to do something

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I know you guys have actual human

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter like however uncomfortable it is, cleaning up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just like it creates like it's incentive

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I think I think it's probably easier

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the cool the cool ones come from the valley,

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Speaker 1: a distance that like they view it through a reflect

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00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: refracted lens. I feel like you got that with the

434
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: Valley too, That's what that's where we get MoMA Lambert

435
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: and Paul Thomas Anderson.

436
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: That's what we call it. We call it the Canada

437
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: of La County.

438
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: That's right. And they appreciate it and they love it.

439
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: And I was fit.

440
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: I wasn't like I feel a connection to the people

441
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 3: of New Jersey that yes, we're like, yeah, we're like

442
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: the people like where again the West side Hollywood, La

443
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 3: people thumb their noses that the people from the valley, like,

444
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: we got our own ship over here. That's why people

445
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, the bridge and tunnel. I'm like, I

446
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 3: see you, I see you.

447
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll

448
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: come back and we'll talk about the strike. We'll be

449
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: right back and we're back. Before we get into the

450
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: strike real quick on the subject of what we're talking about. Okay,

451
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: So I just I just did the Wire podcast with

452
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: Matt Leeb and it was the episode after Stringer Bells

453
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: untimely demise and they go into his apartment and he

454
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: has samurai swords and France on the wall, and I

455
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: was like, I definitely at the time when it came out,

456
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: and then like mcnolty like takes Adam Smith's like, you know,

457
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: first book, whatever the fuck the like book that it

458
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: invented modern day economics, like off his thing, and it's like,

459
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: who the hell was I chasing? And I at the

460
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: time was like, damn, Stringer Bell is so tight, bro.

461
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: There's like a water feature in his apartment and ship.

462
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: But it made me wonder like did the writers of

463
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: The Wire where they like this is tight, people are

464
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: going to recognize how tight this dude is or were

465
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: they like this is kind of funny, like he he

466
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: is basically like a finance bro.

467
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 7: Like a hustle culture yeah yeah, or that like he

468
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 7: just knew what he liked, you know, like that he

469
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 7: was so secures, like yeah, I'm a samurai sword type.

470
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

471
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 3: I just wish there was a scene with him. It's

472
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: just it sucks as a reveal though, because I would

473
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: have loved to see Stringerbell maneuvering so fucking Katana or

474
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: some ship seeing what the fuck you could just like a.

475
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: Dark room, like in a in a robe, just like

476
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: doing some like by himself. But he's like not that

477
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: good at it.

478
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, or he's he's got he's got Blade on the

479
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: big screen and he's like the movie.

480
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: His wall has like cuts in it and ships.

481
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: It's just all copies of Ghost Dog on your DVD. Yeah,

482
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: that's the only movie that matters. Man?

483
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: Who who about? All right, let's get into the strike right.

484
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: You had a recent tweet about how this like the

485
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: thing that's different this time, Like the studios their whole

486
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: stance is very predictable, just oh, there's gonna be assholes

487
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: in this very predictable way, but that there seems like

488
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: there's like the thing that's been surprising is the level

489
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: of solidarity on the strike side. Like what have you

490
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: seen there?

491
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: Like what would what? So?

492
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah?

493
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not in the Union in two thousand

494
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: and eight, but I actually was. Weirdly, that was when

495
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: some of my friends had started getting their first TV jobs,

496
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: and I was actually working at Comedy Central, so I

497
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: was like occasionally having a cross a picket line in

498
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: New York, which was like fucking horrible. But so from

499
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: what I remember of those days, slash just like what

500
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: people have been saying, I guess like to back up too,

501
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: like like my The reason I tweeted that was basically

502
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: the AMPTP, who are the motion picture television producers the studios,

503
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: not really the actual actual producers, are not happy that

504
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: producers in that title, because right actual producer are closer

505
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: to the concerns of the workers. But this was off

506
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: of them at literally like one hundred days and change,

507
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: asking seriously to come back to the negotiating table, which

508
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: is exactly what happened essentially like last strike when just

509
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: over one hundred days. The reason that sort of like

510
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: the like conventional wisdom is because that's when they can

511
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: start canceling some overall deals. I mean they have canceled

512
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: some or paused some, but basically they the conventional wisdom goes,

513
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: that's when they can get stuff off their books, like

514
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: deals they want to get out of and the peers

515
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: that they have. Basically, and the reason that's conventional wisdom

516
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: is because that's the first time the studios like get

517
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: something out of going forcing us to go on strike.

518
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: They get to recoup a little bit of money. And

519
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 2: thus after this it's all sort of diminishing returns for them.

520
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: There's no reason unless they want to just pack it

521
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: up on the entertainment industry, there's no reason for them

522
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: to keep the strike going any longer. So that was

523
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: like utterly predictable. The other thing that was utterly predictable

524
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: was that DGA would take a you know, I know

525
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: there are directors who are happy with the deal they got,

526
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: but I think most people understand that they got a

527
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: not that great deal and they did it in a

528
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: way to lessen solidarity from the other guilds, you know,

529
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: by agreeing to a a thing that one one I

530
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: feel like I'm just talking so you know, jump in whatever.

531
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: But like they took a deal where they didn't get

532
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: streaming residuals. I believe, Oh, it has been one of

533
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: our main points. Essentially, they they kind of we knew

534
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: they would like stab everyone else in the back and

535
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: they get you know, the other thing they could have done,

536
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: which is what our leadership appears to be asking for

537
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: is the right for us to stand in solidarity with

538
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: SAG the actors even after our contract is ratified. So

539
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: that basically is what the teamsters have and I believe

540
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: I have some version of this too. IATSI or the

541
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: crew people on there. There are many things, but as

542
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: far as Hollywood goes there they are the crew people.

543
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you know, I guess what I'm saying

544
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: is like, at every stage, if it could have gone

545
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: one way or the other, it has been more in

546
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: the case of on the side of solidarity, we the

547
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: writers have been more in solidarity with each other, save

548
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: for a few like high profile mostly white guys talking

549
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: about how they don't give a shoot about their union

550
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: show runner types. But you know, compared to last time,

551
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: when apparently there were just like deep divisions evident immediately.

552
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: And this is also like sort of I don't know

553
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: if it was. It was certainly pre wide adoption of Twitter.

554
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to look up when Twitter started. It

555
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: was a two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,

556
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: so there's probably some kind of.

557
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: It really hit the scene two thousand and nine, I

558
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: feel like is when effected, when we really started being like.

559
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: Hey, that's how you can follow food trucks. Yeah, exactly.

560
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: It was when Michael Jackson passed away.

561
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: That was like June two thousand and nine, right, yeah, yeah,

562
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: like like so a culture where we can all communicate better,

563
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: so for those things.

564
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: And then, unexpectedly at the beginning or unexpected at least

565
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: two me a rank and file member of the guild,

566
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: the teamsters announced they would stand in solidarity with us,

567
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: which allowed us to shut down productions much earlier, because

568
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: you know, teamsters have negotiated into their contract a right

569
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: not to cross a picket line, which is a legal

570
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: right that has to be fought for. So yeah, they would.

571
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember in the first and second week

572
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: of the strike, I was out at fucking four am

573
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: at Paramount and it was kind of like this magical

574
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: thing where it's like two people can constitute a picket line,

575
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: and so it was just two people at each gate

576
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: and trucks were turning around, they were not making their deliveries,

577
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: and teamsters were very like, you know, I was gonna

578
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: say kindly, but it's not really kindness, but they were,

579
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: you know, losing work to stand in solidarity with us, right,

580
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: and that was you know, amazing and then individual Iazzi

581
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: members had a little more latitude. And course, you know,

582
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 2: you don't begrudge anyone their need to make their day's money,

583
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: but there were Ayazi members who also didn't cross the line,

584
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: and that's how we got production shut down, as far

585
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: as I understand, much earlier than last strike, right, because

586
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 2: people were more on our side than we thought. And

587
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: then when SAG came up for their contract negotiation, you know,

588
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: conventional wisdom was sort of just like, they're probably going

589
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: to take a not great deal after DGA, it did

590
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: even seem like that's how things were going. I'm only

591
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: I speak with no insider information, but just like from

592
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: the outside of SAG, you know, it seemed like they

593
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: were making all the moves to just settle for whatever,

594
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: and they you know, they were given a They released

595
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: their deal points the same way the WJ board did

596
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 2: and it was preposterous. It was disgusting. They were There

597
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: were things like the studios were proposing scanning background actors

598
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: and simply owning their likeness forever in a digital form.

599
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: And so for that reason, coupled with I believe, like

600
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: you know, there was that there was like an open

601
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: letter signed by a bunch of a listers to SAG

602
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: leadership that was like, do not take a fucking bad deal.

603
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: And it did appear to work because the tenor of

604
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: the conversation from ZAG communication changed drastically after that. You know,

605
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: it was there's a lot of rumors about what they

606
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: were really trying to do, But the fucking week after

607
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: fucking frint dressers out there being like, you know, fuck you,

608
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: right after kicking it with Kim Kardashian. Right, Yeah, It's

609
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: one of those things where you're like, you know, there,

610
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: it's sort of unclear how they arrived at that position,

611
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: but they're indisputably there. They're they're you know, doing some

612
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: things that I personally maybe equibble with strategically, but the

613
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: fact is there are fucking, you know, one hundred and

614
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: sixty some thousand actors like out there, they're on the

615
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: picket line. There have been a little bit of growing pains,

616
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: which just like swelling the strike by eleven times, but

617
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: you know, just basically logistics. But it is like it's been.

618
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: It literally is some like real cavalry shit, like, yeah,

619
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: the actors are here, and you know that's all actors.

620
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: You know, I imagine what they're the heroes, so good for.

621
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: They look great, but good lord, But I mean, yeah, really,

622
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: so you're not surprised by anything you're seeing from them.

623
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone who's been paying attention to corporations,

624
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: and these corporations in particular, are surprised. They definitely seem

625
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: surprised by like the front that they're getting, like the

626
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: United Front, the like lack of public support seems to

627
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: really have them being like, I think I'm the bad guy,

628
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: like and Iiger seem to be having a I bet

629
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: they're on the phone every night just talking to each other,

630
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: like what what is happening?

631
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: They genuinely thought I think it worked well in two

632
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: thousand and eight. They they genuinely thought they could like

633
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: bully bluster and like so discord among the union members.

634
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: I think again, social media spent a big help and

635
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: like eliminating some of that. But also here's my pet theory,

636
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: which is like they, uh, you kind of forget the

637
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: peer group these fuckers run in, but you can't. You

638
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: have to kind of remember that. To them, Ted Sarandos

639
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: is like their cool hacker nephew.

640
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 8: So like Ted Sarandos, I'm sure in those Netflix Yeah yeah,

641
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 8: sorry headed Netflix, Yeah, you know, and a tech guy.

642
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 8: I'm sure he's telling you know, but it's still like

643
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 8: a dozen decrepit mostly met white men, like like billionaires,

644
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 8: like completely out of touch. So to them, like Ted

645
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 8: Sarandos is the equivalent of your like zoomer showing you no,

646
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 8: this is better than TikTok.

647
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know how you watch pa

648
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: per view fight on Twitter? Grandpa? Yeah, so he's like

649
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: so he's like there, you know, and fucking read Hastings

650
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: or whatever. All the Netflix tech guys i'm sure are

651
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: like to these old old the old media billionaires are

652
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: like they said, these guys, you know, does one thing

653
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: These guys know it's digital, they know the Internet, and

654
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: they say we're gonna win. They say that people are

655
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: going to be on our side, and I think they

656
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: just believe them. I don't think they have anyone in

657
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: their circle who's like, no, you guys are villainous clowns.

658
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: Like maybe there's like a communications like officer, you know,

659
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: if you're if you're the.

660
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: They haven't they haven't arrived at the are we the

661
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: baddies moment yet?

662
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: Yeah?

663
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're on their way.

664
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: They do have that one billionaire who owns the jewelry

665
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: company who Cardier is Cardier, the Cardier billionaire owner who's

666
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: losing sleep, and they're like, what the fuck's going on

667
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: with him? Like he needs to.

668
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: What's crazy is they actually need a cousin, Greg, Like

669
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: they just need someone to be like, hey, I don't

670
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: think this is working, Like fuck off, Greg. Yeah, if

671
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: I were to posit this theory to the council, as

672
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: it were, are not on our side.

673
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: But I think it's also important, right, and especially talking

674
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: about the solidarity right because the last time there was

675
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: a dual strike was in nineteen sixty and this last

676
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: time the WJ and the writers went on strike, and

677
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: it's really instructive to like really to learn.

678
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: About just what the history of.

679
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 3: Labor negotiations in Hollywood have been like, because it's been

680
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: a fucking exploitative cash grab from the beginning, and in

681
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty many people you hear a lot like Actually,

682
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan has played a huge part because he was

683
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: SAG president. He actually had two stints as SAG president,

684
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: one in the flate forties and early fifties, and then

685
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: again he came back for this strike in nineteen sixty

686
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: and a lot of articles have like heavily sanitized his

687
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: actions as like SAG president saying that like he had

688
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: the overwhelming of SAG members when he agreed to this

689
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: new deal and with that, and which is true because

690
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: peop want to get back to work. But the other

691
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: thing was and that like without him, there wouldn't be

692
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 3: a pension fund for actors, so we have to thank

693
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: him for that. But if you look closely, you see

694
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: a story of a fucking guy that was just self

695
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: dealing and could give a fuck less about his fellow workers.

696
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: So after World War two, right, people just stopped going

697
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: to the movies like they used to, and the decline

698
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 3: was noticeable. So the studios decided to go in big

699
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 3: on this new technology called broadcast television and decided.

700
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: That was because TV became a thing. They were like,

701
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: what the fuck?

702
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, well, what are we gonna do to make money? Well,

703
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: they decided to license their films for broadcasts and sell

704
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 3: them to all these TV stations, and that how they're

705
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: that's how they're making money. But this move brought, you know,

706
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: seminal films into American homes and people were engaging with

707
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: motion pictures again. But what about that money? A lot

708
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 3: of people were like, hold on, man, I'm in this movie,

709
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: where the fuck is my check?

710
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: Ah?

711
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: Well, you see, uh, all of these films were only

712
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: making money for the studios and none a single cent

713
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: was going to the people that wrote or starred in

714
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 3: them at all. It was only benefiting the studios. So

715
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: they wanted to strike get their money that was owed

716
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: to them. And Reagan returned as SAG president for this,

717
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: and he sorted out a deal in five weeks. Really easy,

718
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: really easy. Here's another thing we don't realize is the

719
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: writers they actually started they were on strike before the actors,

720
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 3: and they were on strike for twenty one weeks in

721
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty because they were unwilling to take these like

722
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 3: bullshit deals that were They're like, no, we want a percentage.

723
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: We need you to articulate five percent. Like there's there's

724
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 3: like real math involved with what the writers were fighting for.

725
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: So they got, you know, we come back. Reagan's like, yeah, well,

726
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: I've got this deal.

727
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: Want to take it down?

728
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 3: And basically the actors would receive residuals only for films

729
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: beginning production after the basically starting from nineteen sixty onward

730
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: when they started striking, like, all right, y'all gets for

731
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: the shit y'all make now, And everyone's like, well, what

732
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: about the other shit? What about from nineteen sixty to

733
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: shit at least nineteen forty eight. Well, basically, since they

734
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: weren't paying residuals on that, they said, okay, we'll cut

735
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: y'all a check for two point sixty five million dollars

736
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: for a pension fund.

737
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: Yea. And people were like, oh great, but if again,

738
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: if you look at the time, everyone was saying they

739
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: wanted at least four million dollars for this fund. That's

740
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: what they're like, all right, if you want to do that, like,

741
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: you need to meet us at this four million mark.

742
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: They got away with that shit too. So essentially, no

743
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: money right now except in the form of a pension

744
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: fund is what the actors got then, all because of

745
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan. And you're probably thinking about the other part

746
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: is what about movies before nineteen forty eight, like shit

747
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: like Gone with the Wind, Wizard of Oz, Citizen Kane.

748
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: What about those deals? Well, here's where Reagan comes back

749
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: into the story. He was SAG president between nineteen forty

750
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: seven and nineteen fifty two, and he forfeitted royalties on

751
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 3: films made before nineteen forty eight in exchange for the

752
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: promise of talking about negotiating over royalties for films made

753
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: after nineteen fifty one. Yeah, so I was like, all right,

754
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: fuck that, we don't need to see anything before nineteen

755
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: forty eight.

756
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: Well, what affects me too? But like his movies that

757
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: he's like that are affected by it, are like sleepover

758
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: parties with orang of Tangs and shit, yeah, bedtime for Bonzo,

759
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: I think what you're talking about.

760
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

761
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: So he basically left all that money on the table

762
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: and were just saying, all right, well, let's negotiate for

763
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: stuff from fifty one onward that and and it was

764
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: because of that move that precipitated the fucking dual strike

765
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty because Ronald Reagan again was like, hey,

766
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 3: whatever y'all want, Okay, whatever, It's fine.

767
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

768
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: Apart from like a few exceptions, right, So again, a

769
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: lot of many of these actors felt so betrayed by

770
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan. We're like, we created the industry for these

771
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: people to be in, and you've left us fucking out

772
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: to dry and so again all these the only thing

773
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 3: that a lot of these people got after nineteen sixty

774
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: was pension fund. And this is where you kind of

775
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: you get you get to see the Reagan noess of

776
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: it all, Like you're like, why would Ronald.

777
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: Reagan do this?

778
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: It's like, well, he knew he wasn't gonna make money

779
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: off royalties. He was looking at bigger shit. So an

780
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: interesting dimension is his agent was a man named Lou Wasserman,

781
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: who was the president of MCA, which is like a

782
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: you know multi they do music, film, television, whatever at

783
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 3: the time after the strike, when when Reagan got them

784
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: to agree to that shitty deal, he left his positions

785
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: at SAG and got took a lucrative production deal with MCA,

786
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 3: like two months after. Like if we had Twitter, people

787
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: have been like, Oh, that's what the fuck.

788
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: Is going on?

789
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: And it's crazy. It's like when the plot twist in

790
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: episode nine of Star Wars is like the bad guy's

791
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: Emperor Palpatine again. It's like, Oh, it's always the same motherfucker.

792
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: That's all you just got. Reagan killed unions at the

793
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: beginning of the eighties. He killed He's like fucking everybody

794
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: over like that in the fifties and sixties, it's like, yeah.

795
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: Hey, maybe Reagan just was that awful dude the whole time.

796
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: It's so weird, how like that, Yeah, that he needs

797
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: to be lionized from time to time, like even by

798
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: people who really should fucking know better.

799
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, tear down every single myth about Ronald Reagan.

800
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: I think there's a book called tear down this myth?

801
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: My was it tear off my balls? Tear off my balls?

802
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: So anyway, the other things that are wild too, because

803
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: this guy was so power hungry. He was doing he

804
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: was willing to do anything right, including being a fucking

805
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: informant to the FBI. And he gave testimony in nineteen

806
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: forty seven when he was first like entering the SAG

807
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: leadership about striking Hollywood workers being the bye product.

808
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: Of subversive elements aka communists.

809
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: And he regularly fed the FBI information on people he

810
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 3: even personally just suspected of being a communist with very

811
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: little evidence, if anything.

812
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: That the people's so much of the twentieth century just

813
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: the bad guys.

814
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: Won, Yeah, and exactly and so and so if you

815
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: think about it, it's like this was all it can

816
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 3: all boil back to like these very early conversations where

817
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 3: the norm was always going to be yeah, take this

818
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: like shit, deal with the vague promises of something better

819
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 3: down the road, and we'll just kick the can down

820
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: the road because at the end of the day, we

821
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 3: want to hoover up as much of this money as possible.

822
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: And that just one last thing about it, which is

823
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: wild is if you think about like all of this

824
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: stuff pre nineteen forty eight and shit like that, So

825
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: like people like you know, Ted Turner bought the film

826
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: libraries of like RKO, which is like pre like old

827
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: school Warner Brothers and MGM and Turner Classic Movies was

828
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 3: basically a free money printing machine because he's like, oh,

829
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: this is all IDAs that you don't have to pay.

830
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: It's free.

831
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all fucking free. And so we so a

832
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: lot of the things that I think consumers were like,

833
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: oh wow, that's on TV. A lot people are getting

834
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: money from that. It's further from the case. And like,

835
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,479
Speaker 3: I don't know, Andrew, like, how would you how would

836
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: you describe to somebody? Because I've heard from people who

837
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: like talk about the strike who are like a film adjacent,

838
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: people who like maybe do a lot of catering for

839
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: stuff or like you know, work in other departments. There

840
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: was like, well the writers like they're just they get

841
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: everything they want. These people are all rich and I

842
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: and I want to really reiterate that this is a

843
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: job where people are barely They can't even put their

844
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: kids through school, you know, when they're trying to. So

845
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: how would you how would you describe what the lifestyle

846
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: is of someone who is trying to just be a

847
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: writer in the industry? And if is it just all

848
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 3: champagne parties all day and you have no bills to

849
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 3: pay exactly?

850
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: It's I mean, look, and this is also a today

851
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: of it. Like I think at there there was a

852
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: time when at least the wh when a network and

853
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: cable was like equitable. It was like you worked a

854
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: job and you had about a middle class existence. It

855
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 2: was just about where I would be or maybe even

856
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: a little nicer depending on how well your show did

857
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: AKA how well you did your gibe. So yeah, I

858
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: just since I'm here, it was one of those things

859
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: where I'll just do the long version of this, which

860
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: is like at the beginning of the strike, I was like,

861
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm like doing Okay, you know, I

862
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: work and in the last like you know, one hundred days,

863
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: one hundred and four days, like I've really been seeing

864
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: like oh shit, I specifically was like screwed for doing

865
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: kind of the same work. And so the example that

866
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: is like very stark is the lash I worked on

867
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: was that nineties show which is on Netflix. It's one

868
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: of those like multi caam streaming reboots. No promo, no

869
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: promo though, no promo though, yeah exactly, no fuck them done,

870
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: any promo. No, I'm like truly gonna tell you why.

871
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: And the prior to that, I worked on a show

872
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: called Mixed which was a spin off of Blackish, which

873
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: was on ABC. So just like the kind of like

874
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: hard facts example, I mean Mixed Dish was never like

875
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: a huge hit. We got like a second season, but

876
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't killing it ratings wise. I'm very

877
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: you know, I'm very honored to working on the show,

878
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: and it's I thought we did a great job and

879
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: I've met so many amazing people. However, you know, it

880
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: wasn't like, you know, overwhelmingly crushing it, whereas ninety show.

881
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: Apparently because one of the other things the MPTP refused

882
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: to do is divulge their streaming numbers. But you know

883
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: it was a huge hit. According to them, it was

884
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: the number one streaming on Netflix for like several weeks. Yeah,

885
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: just trust this, So by their metrics, a quote unquote

886
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: huge hit. And look, I mean, I guess there's a

887
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: possibility more residuals will come through, but sort of to date,

888
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: I have made per episode somewhere on the order of

889
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: one hundred times more per episode of Mixed Dish that

890
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: I have my name on than my episode of nineties show.

891
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: One hundred times yes, and that is again marginal, like

892
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: solid show versus a you know, by their by their reckoning,

893
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: like I hit a humongous So so basically that's like

894
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: what the royalty structure on streaming versus network is. It's literal.

895
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: Pennies are more than pennies on the dollar. And so

896
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: residuals is a thing that I think people you know,

897
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: feel a certain way about, right you, Most people at

898
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: their job don't get paid for the thing they make

899
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: over time. However, so the reason residuals are to our

900
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: minds a fair thing is these we only get paid

901
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: if the studio continues to resell our creative product continues

902
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: to make money from it. So so the reason for instance,

903
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: like like when when my episode of Mixed Dish replays

904
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: overseas or plays on video and demand, I get a

905
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: tiny percentage of that money that they make, whereas there's

906
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: no real equivalent or sorry, there's an equivalent, but it's

907
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: much lower on streaming. Yeah, you know, one one hundredths

908
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: about as far as I know, Like I don't know,

909
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: I guess all the ins and outs, but it has

910
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: been really stark and like making no money for this hit.

911
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: And you know you hear many stories people just routinely. Yeah,

912
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: Cody Zigler, who's been on the show before, a friend

913
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 2: of mine, made a three figure check for his hit

914
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: episode of she Hulk, which again was one of the

915
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: highest rated according to them, highest rated things on Disney Plus. So,

916
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: and the reason you need residuals is because that is

917
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: sort of because we are not full time employees. Like

918
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: we're not someone who like is hired by a studio

919
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: or hired by producer just able to work all the time.

920
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: So the compromise is sort of like in exchange for

921
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: when we do stuff that does amazingly well, we are

922
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 2: compensated and able to like like participate in that well

923
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: performing thing. So the other thing that is like a

924
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: direct way that I was like, oh, this is a

925
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: one to one and how I've been specifically screwed is

926
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: I worked on that ninety show, which is a reboot

927
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: of that seventy show. If anyone's ever watched both shows

928
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: they were created, you know, we have like our showrunner

929
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: was like a that seventy show writer, the creators and

930
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: executive producers or writing and in the room with us,

931
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: like it was exactly it's the same fucking sets. Like

932
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: it's the exact same process of making that ninety show

933
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: as making that seventy show, except we had approximately half

934
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: the writers, which in a show like that makes it

935
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: very difficult because what you're doing is like pitching jokes

936
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: and at a certain point it's just like a volume thing,

937
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: like you know, there's only so many fresh takes and

938
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: there's only so many resources that you can have to

939
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: make the exact same product. So yeah, it was just

940
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 2: one of those things where I was like, oh, man,

941
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, that show was like very very difficult to make,

942
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: and I think like unnecessarily so because of because of

943
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: the resources that we had writing wise, which is again

944
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: a tiny fraction, like single digit percentages of the budget,

945
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: and you know, and then also just my development as

946
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: a writer suffered, Like I was often just like either

947
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: in over my head, like having to run the joke

948
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: room for instance, which is like usually, you know, someone

949
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: more senior than me would be doing that because we

950
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: would have twice as many people, so so working with

951
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: like half as many people often without enough, you know.

952
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: And I don't really mean to say this as like

953
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: a ding on the actual people running ninety show, but

954
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: it was just like, you know, I who the fuck knows,

955
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: but I guess it's like we were like slightly just

956
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: like under resource the whole time in a way that

957
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: was like incredibly difficult for doing the exact same job. Again,

958
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: it was exactly the same work as making seventy show,

959
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: and people who wrote episodes of that seventy show, you know,

960
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 2: conservatively because it was on Fox, like high mid six

961
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: figures probably over the lifetime and residuals maybe like it

962
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: was a ton of money for doing the exact same work.

963
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: So in multiple ways, like analogous to old school like

964
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 2: TV writers even from like five six years ago. I'm like, really,

965
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: and I kind of didn't realize how screwed I was

966
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: until spending a bunch of time on the picket line

967
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: talking to people, and I was like, oh, right, right, yeah,

968
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: like I thought I was doing okay, and then I

969
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I've really been getting fucked for like

970
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: apples to apples work like literally the exact same thing,

971
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: or in my I would argue more difficult.

972
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: Right, all right, Actually, before we keep going on this,

973
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

974
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: And we're back. It sounds like there's an incentive for

975
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: not even like acknowledging a hit show. And I know

976
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: that's also like always been a traditional like you know

977
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: the thing that people said about the entertainment industry, right

978
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: like the first Indiana Jones movie, Like it's still like

979
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: according to the studio that made it like not profitable,

980
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, like like that, right, it's like creative bookkeeping

981
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: to keep people from participating. But it does feel like

982
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: there is like we don't even know when a show

983
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: is a hit anymore, and like it's just like they

984
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: dumped so much content you me, like shows on the

985
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: like on their streaming networks without like even trying to

986
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: promote when like one of them was a hit. It

987
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: was just all like invisible. And it's like all these

988
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: things that supposedly millions and millions of people are watching

989
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: and are entering like should be an a like cultural

990
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: like bloodstream and like these are the ideas that are

991
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: like affecting the zeitgeist, and they're just like completely invisible.

992
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: Do you do you think that's connected to the streamers

993
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: just being so kind of guarded about letting their data.

994
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, one is they might simply be I'll say,

995
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: you know, using creative statistics, right of bullshitting right, Yeah,

996
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 2: Like that's certainly a possibility. But the other thing is, yeah,

997
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 2: has been like their model is like so driven by

998
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: people who apparently don't like or watch TV or understand

999
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 2: how culture works at all, Like down to the binging. Yeah,

1000
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 2: it's it's Wall Street and Silicon Valley's influence. Like you

1001
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: can see that happening because it's not like there aren't

1002
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: things that can happen, right, even like on the streamers

1003
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: like a squid game or like you know, you know

1004
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: just what ever, like you know, jury Duty. Yeah, like

1005
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: things things can break through and make a cultural impact.

1006
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: But I think it is because these people essentially what

1007
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: their business model is. And you can tell Sorry, this

1008
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: is all my own speculation, I should say, is like

1009
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: you watch them trying to feed this like concept of

1010
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: quote content like you see it in like HBO Max,

1011
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: like David's aslif just thinks of everything as content, like

1012
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: he's like House Hunters and Game of Thrones is equally

1013
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: equally a creative endeavor. Yeah, Like like that is like

1014
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: very important to their worldview. It's just like minutes to

1015
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: eyeballs and fill in tape essentially. So so that I

1016
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: think is also why like like they they don't like

1017
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: they seem to have an interest in devaluing the business model.

1018
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: And I will just throw this out there. It it

1019
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: if you look at the way Silicon Valley has and

1020
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: things to other industries. I think Uber is a great example,

1021
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: or like ride shares in general, like they just go

1022
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: in operate at a loss in an attempt to destroy

1023
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: the industry and create some kind of monopoly, which is

1024
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: arguably what Netflix is doing. And then you know, either

1025
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: jacking up the prices or just sort of leaving the

1026
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: industry to like fucking deal with the greater pieces and society. Yeah,

1027
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, So that it just seems like like

1028
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: Netflix essentially. So the the other upshot of all this

1029
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 2: is that like because we like, streamers play much fewer

1030
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: residuals off of like because we say so data Netflix

1031
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: and in Netflix, you know, or the streamers having like

1032
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: pioneered this practice of mini rooms, which is like again

1033
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 2: what I went through with nineties show, like hiring much

1034
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: fewer people, asking them to do much more work, and

1035
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: doing it for a shorter period of time. We like

1036
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: they're essentially just begging to be able to operate at

1037
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: a lower cost, which is like, hey, maybe you just

1038
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 2: don't get to if you're not smart enough to make

1039
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: money like from television, like America's greatest import or export,

1040
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: like the most powerful thing. Like other countries realize this,

1041
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: Like fucking China understands that it's important to have, Like

1042
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: they obviously want to screw their workers too, but they

1043
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: at least understand it's important from a fucking even if

1044
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: you're like a complete like you know, if you really

1045
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: don't care about this, like just from a geopolitical standpoint,

1046
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 2: like Great Britain gets to continue to be a world power,

1047
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: you know, decades edging on century like after their their

1048
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: fucking little empire like crumbles because people because the Beatles.

1049
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: The Beatles is soft power that resonates. You know this,

1050
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: we still have like my my, like dumb family who

1051
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: were literally victimized by the British being like sad when

1052
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth dies, Like that's power, that's like fucking power.

1053
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: And the fact that we appear to be like willing

1054
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: to give that away. So what I should say is

1055
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: what I say give that away is if the studios

1056
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: get what they want, that will within you know, five

1057
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: ten something years, be the end of like working as

1058
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: a creative in Hollywood being a middle class sustainable existence,

1059
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: like it simply will be not possible. There will not

1060
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: be any staff writers. Like essentially that will then become

1061
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: if you are a low level level television writer, it's

1062
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: sort of the equivalent of an internship, like essentially, like

1063
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: only rich kids will be able to do it right

1064
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: and like that it just is basically then becoming a

1065
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: writer in Hollywood, as is what I know most about,

1066
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: is a lottery ticket. You know, some of you will

1067
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: be able to make it on merit, but also luck

1068
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: some of you will be able to just outlast because

1069
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: you could run at a deficit for five, six, seven, eight,

1070
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: nine years. Look and it, by the way, is already

1071
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: like this, but it will make it worse. And if

1072
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 2: the proposal the SAG goes through, that's like essentially trying

1073
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: to break the union from a pension perspective. If if

1074
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: what they put on the table was there, like they

1075
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: would end background acting as a profession and that would

1076
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: completely decimate Sorry I should say all this is as

1077
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: I understand it. Adam Conover probably has the actual Notes

1078
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: version of this, but like that just fucking ends acting

1079
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: as like a job. It ends acting as a job

1080
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: and turns it into a gig, which is just that

1081
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: that's how we start to tell fewer interesting stories, fewer

1082
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: new people will come through, will start to be doing

1083
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: the same thing over and over and over again, and

1084
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: we will start losing to creative people, creative countries. Like

1085
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: it's just it's very weird, No, but it is like

1086
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: sort of pathetic, how like short term that all these

1087
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: folks thinking.

1088
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because yeah, I mean like for the longest

1089
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 3: time we were always like, how the fuck is Netflix

1090
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: a company? Because all I would be like, they're just

1091
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 3: deficit spending and deficits yeending and deficit spending, and I

1092
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: was always asking, like other people I knew who were

1093
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 3: like at the executive of them, like what is there?

1094
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 3: Like I remember ten year or maybe like eight years ago,

1095
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: asking like what the fuck is their plan?

1096
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: Exactly?

1097
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And someone was like, they're probably hoping something like

1098
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: an Apple or Google will just buy them at first. Yeah,

1099
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: kind of like the thought and it won't matter how

1100
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: much they've they've spent or burned up, because that would

1101
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: be the end goal. But then also once Wall Street

1102
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 3: started rewarding that stock to say, oh, well, it's really

1103
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: not about the profits they're showing. It's about look at

1104
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: their their market share that they're devouring and look at

1105
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: the potential. It's like it's like Tesla, where it's like,

1106
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: don't look at like the facts and figures of the

1107
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 3: business because it's dog shit. Think you'll like what this

1108
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: can do for the future. That's what you're buying into.

1109
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: And then once Flix was like, oh we just had

1110
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 3: a subscriber loss, Wall Street basically said fuck all you

1111
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 3: guys for not being profitable. And then the reaction from

1112
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: the studios is all right, well now we gotta cut shit.

1113
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 3: Now we gotta do people gotta do less. We've got

1114
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: to do more with less, which is of a theme

1115
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 3: that many people across the country are familiar with, no

1116
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: matter what industry you're in, it's like, hey, do more

1117
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 3: for less. And we find ourselves in this position now

1118
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: where we're completely like like in a way inadvertently or

1119
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: very advertently, you're starting to see all of like the

1120
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 3: the gains that were made in like equitable representation from

1121
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: like the kinds of creators that were getting shows and

1122
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 3: the kinds of people we saw being the faces on

1123
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 3: the screen. We're just gonna we're just regressing right back

1124
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 3: to the fucking status quo where it's like, I don't know,

1125
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 3: we don't have time to tell black stories or trans

1126
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: stories as we don't have time, Like what's the new

1127
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: fucking ip? We can just dust off and do another

1128
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: They're gonna just spin off of Nurse Jackie. Yeah, like

1129
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 3: what the fuck are doing worse than the status quote

1130
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 3: because it's the satus quote. But also they don't pay

1131
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 3: people living wages right, Like is the actual plan? Yeah,

1132
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 3: they like Wiley Coyote themselves off a financial cliff, but

1133
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 3: the problem is they can bring all of us with them.

1134
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: And they're trying to do that. Yeah, that is it

1135
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: appears to be the plan. And like, you know, I

1136
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: mean it's just like this thing where I was like

1137
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: again watching watching, how much like the same work is

1138
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: not being rewarded or being devalued. Oh sorry, that was

1139
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: the other thing with the with the deficit spending things.

1140
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: Like they also didn't really do a good job with

1141
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: the money they spend. No, Like it's like because they

1142
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: just think again, minutes of tape is the only metric

1143
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: that matters. And it's so bizarre how it, Like any

1144
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: fool could have told you that's not how culture works,

1145
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: except for these bozos, like they misunderstand how culture works.

1146
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 2: It's also this thing, So the other sticking point in

1147
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: this strike has been AI and like you know, the

1148
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: fact that like I understand AI can do you know,

1149
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: will start to very quickly approach the old thing, you know,

1150
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: perfect replicas of whatever the fuck existed in the past. Right,

1151
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 2: But like I think, like these people like seem to

1152
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: misunderstand that culture is novel. Like they they just do

1153
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 2: not get that, like there is a need for something new, right,

1154
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 2: and like their little plagiarism machine, you know it maybe

1155
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: can you know through dint of like random remixing. Essentially,

1156
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 2: like come up with something that does appeal to a

1157
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: novel center of the culture's brains. But that's also because

1158
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: like some creative person picked that instance out of this

1159
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: pile of fucking ten thousand or ten million, Like it's

1160
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: still required like a a even you know. So that's

1161
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: like every time everyone anyone posts like AI art, it's like, oh,

1162
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: it's over for creatives. It's like, I don't, you know,

1163
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: far be it for me to defend the creativity of

1164
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 2: these AI fucking evangelists. But they're misunderstanding that they picked

1165
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: the instance that was like pleasing to some center of

1166
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: their brain and shared with everyone that that the AI

1167
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: doesn't know that this one's better than the other fucking

1168
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: nine million versions it made. It still requires like a

1169
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: human sense of novelty and joy and wonder and experience

1170
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: to like have this mean something. I don't know, maybe

1171
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm fucking I'm sure there's some like AI person that

1172
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: disagrees with me on this, But the.

1173
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: Second that it puts out the an actual flawless Seinfeld episode,

1174
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: then I think we're still.

1175
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, But.

1176
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that even that would be an old show,

1177
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: like there are plenty of right now. I'd write a

1178
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: flawless Seinfeld episode right now, like that's the thing that

1179
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: it misses is and I agree that, Like it feels

1180
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: like they're already shading in this direction when you look

1181
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: at what they did with that spending, with all the

1182
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: money they spent, where it was like a lesser diminished

1183
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: like amount of production resources per show. And then you

1184
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: like look at all these streaming shows that are like

1185
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: they have these crazy high numbers like that. This one

1186
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: article Will lenk Off to on the footnotes talks about

1187
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: the show The Night Agent being this huge like Netflix

1188
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: show and they're talking to the showrunner who's like, yeah,

1189
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: but I'm like not not being compensated like it's a

1190
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: hit Netflix show or a hit any show. And but

1191
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: like that show like doesn't really exist as far as

1192
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: like Pete, like I just it came and went and

1193
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: like I wasn't aware I had it confused with The Bodyguard,

1194
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: I think, and the guy plays it is like look

1195
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: similar to the Bodyguard, and but it like I watched

1196
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen minutes of it and it feels like

1197
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: it could have been generated by an AI that it

1198
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: ingested every procedural like up to like for the past

1199
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: thirty years like that. Yeah, it feels like, yes, AI

1200
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: is actually in line with what they think they're trying

1201
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: to do. It's just what they think they're trying to

1202
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:19,479
Speaker 1: do is going to not make anything good, like good

1203
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: enough to actually like propel the entertainment and like the art.

1204
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah that is that like drives culture forward into the future, and.

1205
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 3: They're just killing something that is innately human about people

1206
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 3: like wanting to create and to be creative. Like yeah,

1207
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 3: because the way these studios and executives look at the

1208
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: nature of creativity is like it's the same way a

1209
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: senator would look at what they're going to read if

1210
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 3: they're trying to fillibuster.

1211
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, man, just say shit, just say worse.

1212
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: That's all you gotta do is matter.

1213
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 3: Just read from the phone book and that'll that's enough

1214
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: to tick those just as good, right, and think of

1215
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 3: how uninteresting what happens when you shift gear to we'll

1216
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: just read from the phone book. The most entertaining thing

1217
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 3: might be when they don't know how to pronounce a

1218
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 3: certain name. And that's like the height of like fucking

1219
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 3: entertainment or whatever. Because more and more it's just looked

1220
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 3: at what we just need to hear words and visuals

1221
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 3: be put out there for people to stare out creativities

1222
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 3: and like a non issue.

1223
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: And I think that's really.

1224
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 3: A violent part like about it is that we're taking

1225
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 3: that sort of ability for a human being to pursue

1226
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 3: something like that, to have an imagination and to be

1227
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: able to sustain their life with it. Just it's not

1228
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 3: even it's not even possible.

1229
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: But like like even in your example, right, like like

1230
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: stumbling over a word is something only a fucking human

1231
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: could do, right, Like Like also it's it's like this

1232
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: like like they're they're the myths that got built around

1233
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: like like Netflix, the myths that they're built on. Is

1234
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: like we had an algorithm that told us that people

1235
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: like Kevin Spacey and political drama, and therefore we green

1236
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: lay house of Cards and look like the computer did that.

1237
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 2: No human could do that, which like ignores their like

1238
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: the things that don't work that it ignores the things

1239
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: that haven't worked that have been algorithm driven. And also

1240
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 2: it's like this such a funny thing. It's like you

1241
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: know what put Amazon streaming on the map? Fucking transparent, which,

1242
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: by the way, not one computer at any point ever,

1243
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: was like, do you know what we need now? Like

1244
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: you know this this story transparent, so like like they're

1245
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: working from just like this law of tiny numbers. I

1246
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: mean that was my other experience. Wow, this is maybe

1247
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 2: maybe talking out of school, but I think this is

1248
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 2: a common enough experience, which is like we had a

1249
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: moment in nineties show where they were insistent. Okay, I

1250
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: guess I just won't say exactly what the thing that

1251
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: we're insisting on, but they had a note for our

1252
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 2: opening credit sequence that was basically like the algorithm says

1253
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 2: you have to do this or else no one will

1254
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: watch it. And when I tell you, it was an utterly, utterly,

1255
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: utterly inconsequential note. From a creative perspective, it was just

1256
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 2: like technically going to be very difficult to do, and

1257
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: they're like, our data shows that this has to be

1258
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: this way. And like having worked in the network side

1259
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: of entertainment before, and I worked with executives and watched

1260
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: our research department routinely lie to them like essentially or

1261
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 2: obfuscate with statistics, and having taken a little bit of

1262
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 2: statistics in my life, I'm like, you don't have enough

1263
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: data to know, like you simply like this niggling, tiny

1264
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: thing that doesn't really make any difference, Like you're insistent

1265
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: on it because your date. You're like, legitimately, statistically and

1266
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: significant data tells you one thing, but it doesn't. The

1267
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 2: reality is it doesn't matter, and the fact that you

1268
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 2: are killing multiple executives and a high price showrunner's day

1269
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: arguing about this is like flushing money down the toilet, ye,

1270
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 2: because you worship an algorithm, but you also don't have

1271
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 2: the statistic knowledge to like actually say this is inconsequential.

1272
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: They had an inconsequential fight all because I'm like, you

1273
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 2: haven't produced that many show opens before, so you don't know.

1274
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 2: You just don't have a data set that tells you,

1275
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 2: like whether this creative choice or this creative choice makes

1276
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 2: the most difference in this And again, cannot stress enough

1277
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 2: it did not make a difference, right.

1278
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: I bet that executive was like, see those hits, see

1279
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: those numbers. That's yeah, because yeah, yeah, well, Andrew, such

1280
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: a pleasure having to come you.

1281
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 2: What it's actually like, thank you for letting me talk

1282
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: so long.

1283
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 3: We're like we want to I mean every time I

1284
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 3: see you post from the picket lines or like whatever

1285
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 3: you're observing your tweets almost like we gotta have Andrew

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Speaker 3: to talk about also like and also like again, I

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Speaker 3: think there's just such a misconception of what it means

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Speaker 3: to work as a creative person in the industry because

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Speaker 3: most people just think they're just thinking of the exceptions

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Speaker 3: and yes, rather than that, there is such an occupation

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Speaker 3: where you just are trying to like hone your craft

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Speaker 3: of writing and it could render you an income that

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Speaker 3: you could live off of. And yeah, and that's it.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's not yacht money. It can be yacht money,

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Speaker 3: you know, God willing, but for the most part, it's

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Speaker 3: it's like anything else do by the same thing. We

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Speaker 3: have people who wanted they got to take side gigs.

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Speaker 3: Now it's like, but I thought you were writing on

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Speaker 3: this show. Well no, no, now I'm doing uber. Now

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Speaker 3: I'm doing this because it's actually not that kind of money.

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Speaker 2: I I think if it helps, like you know, just

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Speaker 2: from the like actors, right, like the criticism of like

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01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 2: look at these millionaires asking for more money, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: it's actually the millionaires foregoing money to help everyone else,

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Speaker 2: Like far be it for me to like you know,

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Speaker 2: kiss these rich people's asses, but in this instance, right,

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Speaker 2: they are no, but truly it's like, yeah, he they

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Speaker 2: are like giving, They're they're leaving money on the table

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Speaker 2: to help other people. Like from the SAG thing. I

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Speaker 2: think I read the minimum per year you have to

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Speaker 2: make in SAG to qualify for health insurance is somewhere

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Speaker 2: like twenty five thirty K something like that. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: around eighty five percent of their union do not make

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Speaker 2: that from acting work. So this is not like rich people.

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Speaker 2: This is people like trying to do a thing that

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Speaker 2: they love that makes money. Hollywood is immensely profitable, so

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Speaker 2: like the things that we do generate money, and we

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Speaker 2: would just be able to like to be able to

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Speaker 2: like live off of that, and I would like to,

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Speaker 2: Like that's the fucking thing. It's like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: like going back to work is going to be hard,

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Speaker 2: but like we love TV and movies and whatever. Media is,

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Speaker 2: you know part part of this, you know, high high

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Speaker 2: budget YouTube shows whatever. I fucking this shit. These people

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Speaker 2: that were negotiating against by their actions do not even

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Speaker 2: seem to like or understand any of this stuff, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And it is like they think that our love for

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Speaker 2: this is their leverage to exploit us, and on some

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01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 2: level it is and will be. But like you know,

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Speaker 2: we're at the ledge and like at a certain point,

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Speaker 2: the strike is like necessary because it's like there's no

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Speaker 2: version where if we accept the deal they put on

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Speaker 2: the table, there would even be an industry. So like

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Speaker 2: they forced us to be, you know, in survival mode.

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Speaker 2: So that's it, Like, good fucking luck here we are surviving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. Yeah, when when Zaslav was like, I think

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Speaker 1: a love of work will bring the strike to an end,

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Speaker 1: he was like telling on himself that He's just Yeah,

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01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: these people seem to like have this weird thing they

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01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: want their game back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like so pathetic.

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Speaker 1: Is there where can Bell find you and follow you

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01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: on all that good stuff?

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Speaker 2: Oh you gotta hit me up on threads? Yeah, andrew

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Speaker 2: t everywhere? Yeah, if you can. We're still doing the

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Speaker 2: Yosis Racist podcast. We actually started on the premium show

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Speaker 2: doing my co host Tony Newsome and I. If you're

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01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 2: a fan of Star Trek, she just had a pretty

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 2: amazing episode where she did a live action crossover on

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Speaker 2: Strenging Worlds. I'm not she's not promoting it. I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I really liked it. But we have

1352
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 2: been doing picket line like diaries. Essentially most of them

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01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 2: start with me going fuck, funk funk, I'm running late.

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01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, just like literally, like what the vibe is

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Speaker 2: on the ground at every year, we're gonna try to

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Speaker 2: hit all the all the picket lines by the time

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Speaker 2: this is over. But we started that way late. But

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Speaker 2: it's been actually fun. Yeah. So yeah, just Yosi's racist.

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Speaker 2: If if you could, if you find any of this

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Speaker 2: remotely interesting, that would be cool.

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Speaker 1: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 2: Yes, besides all the movies I talked about. Let's see

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 2: the tweet I was looking for that I couldn't find,

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Speaker 2: so I'll just have to attribute this to apocryphal and

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Speaker 2: I don't remember paraphrasing, but it's basically somewhere on Strike News,

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Speaker 2: basically some version of Hey, CBS, Sheldon ain't getting no younger.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy that CBS in the old network, not like

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Speaker 2: an old network, but Legacy TV is like, why are

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: you fucking tanking your fall season just to support Netflix

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01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 2: on it? That's a different issue. But let's see Brian

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Speaker 2: Brian Jordan Alvarez, but Brian Jor Alvarez on Twitter wrote, listen,

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Speaker 2: we kind of killed this fucking pig. There's a spider

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01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 2: nearby who keeps writing things in her web and they

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01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 2: seem to be friends, which made me laugh this morning.

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Speaker 2: So that that'll be my media.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Miles, Where can people find use their

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Speaker 1: workI media you've been enjoying?

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01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 2: Oh, find me on where you go? Whatever?

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01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: You got them at Symbols at Miles of Gray. Also,

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01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to hear NBA talk, check

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Speaker 3: out Jack and on Miles and jackott Man Boosti's check

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Speaker 3: out my new true crime joint, The Good Thief, or

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Speaker 3: we talk about the Greek Robinhood and also Force.

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Speaker 2: Uh some media I'm liking.

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Speaker 3: I thought I saw something over the weekend that I

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Speaker 3: was fucking with.

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Speaker 2: Nah, forgot it. I forget about it already, don't worry

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, just just learn yourself, learn yourself, folks.

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Speaker 1: There you go. You can find me on Twitter at

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01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:32,799
Speaker 1: Jack Underscore O'Brien and on threads at Jack Underscore. Oh underscore, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I've checked it in the past week, I swear to god.

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Speaker 1: Working media has been enjoying it at Internet. Hippo tweeted

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Speaker 1: every children, every American child has a Boston accent until

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Speaker 1: they're about six years old. Science cannot explain this. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Twitter at daily Zeikeist. We're at

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Speaker 1: the Daily Zeicheist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan

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Speaker 1: page and a website Daily zeikeist dot com where we

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Speaker 1: post our episodes and our footnotes. We're like off the

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Speaker 1: information that we talked about in today's episode, as well

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Speaker 1: as a song that we think you might enjoy. Mile's

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Speaker 1: what song do we think people might enjoy?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I think you're gonna enjoy this track? This from Surprise Chef.

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Speaker 3: Gone out on the track from Surprise Chef before, but

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Speaker 3: this is another track called Spikey Boy s p I

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Speaker 3: K Y b o I and it's just like good instrumental.

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Speaker 3: You know, Just relax and get your week started, lighthead nod.

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Speaker 3: I will turn up the volume a little bit towards

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Speaker 3: the end of the week and we'll probably go out

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Speaker 3: on some wild out drum and.

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Speaker 2: Bass or some shit like that. But to start Spikey

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Speaker 2: Boy by Surprise Chef.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, you can find that in the footnotes

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Speaker 1: the Daily ze is the production of by heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my heart Radio is the heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: ap Apple podcast or wherever you listening to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us this morning, back this

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Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you all then.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye