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Speaker 2: guest and author and former Special Forces Company Commander and

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Speaker 2: Battalion XO of the seventh Group. We can get his

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Speaker 2: What It Was a Tale of the First Infantry Division

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Speaker 2: in Iraq two thousand and six to two thousand and

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Speaker 2: eight by author Daniel Pace. Welcome to the show, Daniel.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Rad, thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 3: It's really a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for you know, hitting us up. We really

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Speaker 2: appreciate those that want to be on the show, especially

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Speaker 2: coming from your level. And you know, you're really just

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Speaker 2: like an extreme athlete who has put himself through mind

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Speaker 2: control told be the best surgical scalpel blade of combat

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Speaker 2: for our military. Sir, you are that, in my mind,

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Speaker 2: the blade of the scalpel.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's let's put a perspective that I am a

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Speaker 3: former extreme maybe athlete. I don't know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: Did you ever run a marathon?

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Speaker 3: We have done a lot of distance running. I've actually

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. That's pretty good. No, And did you

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent? I've had the worst exits, and that's

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Speaker 2: What's the one thing that pops in your mind of

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Speaker 3: Oh no, so one hundred percent. If you forget to

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Speaker 3: Don't forget that. It's it's really painful.

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Speaker 2: Was that a halo jump? Was that like a high altitude?

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Speaker 3: It was square shoe? And I wasted pretty much the

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Speaker 2: So your shoe was like hanging I mean your ruck

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Speaker 3: So it hangs and stormyly supposed to hang your leg

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Speaker 3: But it worked out. You know what they say about

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Speaker 3: I enlisted, So I enlisted at twenty one straight out

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Speaker 2: What's your degree? Your what was it that helped you

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Speaker 3: So I agreed philosophy actually, which it might surprise you.

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Speaker 3: It's funny I graduated with kind of a you know,

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Speaker 2: Uh, did you live Did you guys live in a

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, See, I had to go to the office

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Speaker 3: So it was like, shout here they jump.

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Speaker 2: Here dude. They would take me up in the mountains,

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Speaker 2: we'd repel off waterfalls. Not one time did they say, hey,

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Speaker 2: It's probably eleven, twelve, thirteen, years old doing these types

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Speaker 3: You wish talk about, you really talked about. It's a

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Speaker 3: Of it's necessary, right, because there's a degree of deception

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because then the acts that are happening are really happening,

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Speaker 3: It's like it's it can be it can be easy

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is is that you know, it goes

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Speaker 3: It's a trap. As we fall into this trap, and

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Speaker 3: like yes, what are you doing? Nobody wants that. No,

433
00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,760
Speaker 3: Sometimes we end up with that if we're not careful.

434
00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know, it kind of goes to

435
00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,560
Speaker 2: these movies that get made where you see a rogue

436
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,560
Speaker 2: unit that strikes their gold streak in like an Iraq

437
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,080
Speaker 2: movie and they see gold and like, oh, there's gold, guys,

438
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,760
Speaker 2: three gigs, right, yeah, right, right, you know, and I'm

439
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,320
Speaker 2: just like, oh, you know, and they're trying to show, like,

440
00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,600
Speaker 2: you know, how can we hoist it and get away

441
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,440
Speaker 2: with it? Et cetera.

442
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 3: You know.

443
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's ethics, that's the morals.

444
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,639
Speaker 3: The thing is, I think the one leads to that,

445
00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,399
Speaker 3: because everybody would agree that stealing money off the battlefield

446
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,880
Speaker 3: is probably not good. But people don't get there overnight.

447
00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,120
Speaker 3: People get there one step at a time by doing

448
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,320
Speaker 3: things that feel like now, I think I'm in the right.

449
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,320
Speaker 3: It's a little but I think I'm doing the right thing.

450
00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,200
Speaker 3: Over time, you can get far enough gone that you

451
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,119
Speaker 3: just stop seeing the distinction and then you're you're killing

452
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 3: a guy for reporting on your financial misconduct or you're

453
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,879
Speaker 3: you're stealing gold. I mean, these things start happening. Yes,

454
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,159
Speaker 3: you got to head them off to pass, because by

455
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,119
Speaker 3: the time you get to that point, it's too late, right,

456
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 3: those guys are pretty much lost and your organization is gonna.

457
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 2: Take a for it, you know, I mean, it does.

458
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that the load master on the team

459
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,879
Speaker 2: who's been certified load master is the ones that you

460
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:31,120
Speaker 2: talked to you know, yeah, yes, right, it's his plane

461
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,360
Speaker 2: at that point, don't even come on here.

462
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,960
Speaker 3: Yes, And that gets into other problems with like, you know,

463
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 3: corrupting a broader swath of the organization by kind of

464
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 3: bringing people in. And again it gets ugly. It's that

465
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 3: termite problem again. You just don't don't want that. And

466
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 3: if you can stop it early, then you can stop

467
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 3: it early. You don't ended up with the problems. You

468
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,399
Speaker 3: end up with the spin off damage.

469
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: It is. It's a termite with a woodpecker doing double damage.

470
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 2: So the woopecker's damage. Where's that termite at and the

471
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 2: termite little holes, got all these holes, and you're like, stop,

472
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 2: just stop. I mean, just the water. He's got to

473
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,600
Speaker 2: water it. Just water the tree. It'll kill the buzz

474
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 2: Just give it water.

475
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 3: Please, please stop pecking up my house. Please at least

476
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 3: eat the termites. At least eat the term at least

477
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 3: get the two working together. But oh gosh, I mean,

478
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: how much how much damage does this stuff cause? When

479
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 3: we talk about house, it's falling down. But this couple

480
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,719
Speaker 3: of years back with the cocaine smuggling out of South America,

481
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 3: and you look at that and that is that is

482
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,880
Speaker 3: regimental damage that takes years. Like people still remember these

483
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 3: things and they just never go away. But but we don't.

484
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 3: We don't treat that like something preventable. We treat it

485
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 3: just something like, well, it happened again. I guess we'll

486
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,679
Speaker 3: blow up everybody that was involved, throw them all out,

487
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 3: and we'll just kind of move on with their day.

488
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 3: But we wouldn't tolerate that answer in anything like marksmanship

489
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 3: or jump efficiency. We would say you need to train

490
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 3: better so you don't have these mistakes. We ethics just

491
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 3: kind of ends up getting brushed aside. I think people

492
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 3: just not comfortable talking about it or don't feel that

493
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 3: it's a solvable problem.

494
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 2: You know, they might turn it into this, uh this

495
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: word that was made up of like you're too woke, okay,

496
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: Like I hate the word is just like I think

497
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: people use it and they don't even know what they're saying.

498
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: They're like this term. It's like, isn't it okay first

499
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: of all to be that I'm awake, I'm awakened to

500
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: my environment and my surroundings. They say head on a swivel,

501
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: I'd say the guy with the head on a swivels

502
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: kind of woke. However, isn't it where they're like, oh,

503
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 2: our military is too PowerPoint presentations and like I got

504
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 2: to sit through like hit enter and like listen to

505
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 2: someone tell me about you know, conduct and how to

506
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: become better, and I just want to go shoot people

507
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 2: because I'm good at that. How do we it? That's true?

508
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 3: It's one hundred percent true. We do love the military

509
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 3: loves I mean everybody does to an extent, but the

510
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 3: military loves to throw slap a term on something, give

511
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: it some online training and say, hey, you know what

512
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 3: that problems fixed? I addressed that problem, Like we did

513
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 3: address it, but I'm not sure that online training is

514
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 3: really the tool that's going to get us out of this.

515
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 3: But you know that is a solution. That mean commendorates

516
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 3: shown that he has done a thing. We did the thing,

517
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: and therefore we're better, right Like, well, not necessarily not

518
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 3: if the solution's not really getting after the problem.

519
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: So not just SF teams. I'm not talking to just

520
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: Special Force teams. Let's talk as a whole, like military

521
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: as a whole with ethics period. Do we just pull

522
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: everybody out onto the bleachers, have him stand there and

523
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: then have someone walk back and forth and say, hey,

524
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, you guys have to understand that this is real.

525
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: Ethics are real. Your integrity means you're going to do

526
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 2: the right thing when no one is looking.

527
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 3: I think that's honestly kind of what we do now.

528
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: And that's it's just a little silly, right, Like you'll

529
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 3: get the jag. The poor jag always gets tagged with

530
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: these jobs. He just gets up there and he gives

531
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 3: his brief on the law of war. We talk about

532
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 3: the things you legally can't do, and you're like, that

533
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: doesn't answer any of the questions that I have about

534
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: what I actually need to do on the ground. But

535
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: nobody wants to extend the training because it's the last

536
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: thing on a Friday, or it's right before lunch and

537
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 3: weeks go home. But no, the answer really isn't that

538
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 3: that classroom is such a small piece of it. But really,

539
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 3: what you have to do is put people in stressful

540
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 3: situations like let's say, a full live, close quarters battle

541
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: like FTX, and then you throw a little ethics in there,

542
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: and then you find out really how a guy under

543
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: stress is going to react, because that's how you can

544
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 3: teach him. It's not to punish the guy. But if

545
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: a guy does really questionable things under stress, you need

546
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 3: to know it because you need to be able to

547
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: help that guy like work through that and say, all right, hey,

548
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 3: what you did was a little crazy. It's training.

549
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 2: Good.

550
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: Training is good. We fail in training and then we

551
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 3: you know, kind of correct and then we you know,

552
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: evaluate where we are, and then we help you build

553
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 3: to the next level. But we don't want that to

554
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: tap down range. And so if you never test it,

555
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: if you never have a guy shoot at a target,

556
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: how do you know if he's going to hit the

557
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: target right? And so that's that's what I think we've

558
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: got to do it. So you need like give classrooms

559
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: a little piece.

560
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: Of FTX of exactly that you got the targets involved.

561
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: But they don't realize that it's ethics that they're being

562
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: tasked with. They think I'm just doing a seventy two

563
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: hours stress test. I gotta go from point A to

564
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: point B, from point A to point B, I gotta

565
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: use my map, I got use my track order. On

566
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: the way, there's like maybe like something to drink, and

567
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, should I drink that? Do I take

568
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: the eat me, drink.

569
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: Me so partners. Partners make it so easy to inject

570
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 3: this material in because that's man. There's some cultural disconnects

571
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: when we're working with people from different parts of the world,

572
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 3: and when you inject those partners into ftx's you can

573
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: really generate some pretty realistic situations that you're going to

574
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 3: bump into that the guy is not going to necessarily

575
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: know the right answer to. And that's what you're trying

576
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 3: to do. You want to create these quandaries and then

577
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: you want to see how he solves them so you

578
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: can get a handle on is the guy like a

579
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: dirty bird, Like some guys are always going to go

580
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: with the darker half of gray, and some guys are

581
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: really kind of boy scouty and going to go with

582
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: no straight right or wrong. You just need to know

583
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 3: who's who so that when you have a really kind

584
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: of grammy mission, you could put the guy on there

585
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 3: and you can know how he's going to react. But

586
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: you don't want to have the situation where a guy

587
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: that's super black and white ends up with a really

588
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: gray situation and reacts very poorly, like we saw happened

589
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan a few times, because that's again, that's bad

590
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: for everybody. It's just knowing your guy's capabilities and then

591
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 3: helping them train to maximize their potential.

592
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have stood in a circle of some spec

593
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: Ops guys and you know, one guy looked at me.

594
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: He's like, Rad, we don't always need the boy scout.

595
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: It's just like I was like, you're Polish grom. Right.

596
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: I was like, are you Polish grom He's like, no, bro,

597
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: United States Navy Seal And I was like, okay, all right.

598
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: It's some things don't require voice scouts. Some things do.

599
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: You just have to make sure you don't put the

600
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: wrong on wrong with them.

601
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know again, really someone's got to snatch the

602
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: car and take it from Grandma and get to the

603
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 2: ocean and swim away with Charlie Sheen. Come on, someone's

604
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: got to do this.

605
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: There's a time and a place for everything, right, You

606
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: just to make sure you know.

607
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 4: What gosh, yeah, and the right guy for the right job,

608
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: you know, Like, Okay, it's like, hey, uh well, Bill,

609
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 4: Chris and Steve are going to get on this mission

610
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 4: as the captain.

611
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: I feel that that's their placement because he knows them

612
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: and you know, he's worked with them and he's seen

613
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: them in these processes, and he knows ethically that they've

614
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: done some really good things, so he's going to trust

615
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: them to use their laurels and their ethics. Then you

616
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: get somebody who's brought in who thinks that it's like

617
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: in another country, like you said, who's an interpreter, and

618
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: he might just go a little rogue against the rest

619
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: of the guys, like yo, man, you haven't been taught

620
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: on this ethics situation. Over here. We still don't hit.

621
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: We don't hit the women, don't hit them.

622
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 3: We don't do that. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But so that's

623
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: every team, though. Every team has guys that are strong

624
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: of things and guys that aren't. Like my last team,

625
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: we had a guy who was just not that good

626
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: in the house. Frankly, he wasn't that good in the house.

627
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: He was he was just he was a little reckless.

628
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 3: He was hey, you know what though, he was an

629
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 3: amazing builder, and the dude we would send him out

630
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: to cock every target, to build everything. If you needed

631
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: a house built, if you needed forty guys put to

632
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: work to go build a house and a day, that

633
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: guy could daial it. And most of us are building

634
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: kind of crooked stuff. If I'm honest, I'm a pretty

635
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 3: bad carpenter. But he really was, sure, great, we have

636
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: a place for you. And ethics, it's the same way.

637
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 3: Not everybody has to be the best shot, but everybody

638
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: needs to have something to do. And you sure don't

639
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: want to get the guy that's a bad shot in

640
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: a situation where he needs to take it, or you're

641
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: gonna you're gonna find your team in a real bad way,

642
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: you know.

643
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: I think maybe talking to Raddy Searles, who we had

644
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 2: on the show here, I think he's a friend of yours.

645
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: He mentioned that he didn't even shoot his gun in

646
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: the first entire selections process, like and he it wasn't

647
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: even anything to do with, you know, hitting the target

648
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: at the point. It was like just getting through you know,

649
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: the situation and and everything along those lines. You concur

650
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: with that type of sentiment like hey, the gun comes

651
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: like kind of later on in the training it does.

652
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: Really, I mean you get into the community mostly off

653
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: character and kind of grit and endurance, and then from there,

654
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: you know, you can teach people the rest of it.

655
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: And that's kind of I think what Randy was talking about, Like, yeah,

656
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: you have to train, you have to eventually learn to shoot.

657
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: But we don't necessarily select people on marksman. They call

658
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: it the whole man concept. But you're really looking for

659
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: guys that can think on their feet and interact with

660
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: people and kind of deal with the suck for long

661
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: term and then and then get in. But honestly, also

662
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: we probably do select people because we're looking for people

663
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: that are comfortable in the gray, right, We're not, We're

664
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: not always looking for boy scouts. We probably do select

665
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: people with kind of a tendency to be willing to

666
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: act on their own I guess you could say, be

667
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: willing to take the steps they feel are necessary. And

668
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 3: a lot of training emphasizes that, Okay, it's a bad situation.

669
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: You need the best you can. You just have to

670
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 3: make sure that knowing that you you take those people

671
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: and kind of show them like where the left limit

672
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: of what that means is, Like, Okay, I know I

673
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: said get the mission done, but sometimes you might be

674
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: doing a little too much to get the mission done.

675
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: We need to make sure the guy really understands what

676
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: we could do.

677
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: Did you really need to take a selfie on that mission? Boss?

678
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: You know? Was that something that you really were.

679
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: It's never probably okay, probably never want to take the picture.

680
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: But you know, everybody those things different.

681
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I'm just saying that would be ethical.

682
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough to grow up before the cell

683
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: phone was really a thing, so thank goodness that I

684
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: didn't have a cell phone in college. I don't know

685
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: what would be on camera or the internet. But you

686
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: know what, dude, that's all safely in the past, so

687
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: we can do get their.

688
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: Dude, if I made okay today, I mean I was

689
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: born in seventy seven. Let's be clear. I said no

690
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: cell phone. Yeah, yeah, so weird Zennials, right, You and

691
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: I are that five years of Zelda came out and

692
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: we are.

693
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: That, okay, exactly exactly. My control still had a cable on.

694
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: It, yes, yes, and my dad was still doing Morse

695
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: code and winding a generator. And he said, I'm the boss,

696
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: as the eighteen echo on the team, because I make

697
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: the captain have to I make the commander have to

698
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: do the five minute everybody rotates. He's like, everybody rotates jokingly,

699
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: but you know those guys, and those guys all had

700
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: a first name basis it was Jack. You know it

701
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: was Maynard. It was just you know, or call sign bugs.

702
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: It was never like you know, it was always like

703
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: except for one time I heard the major yell for

704
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: my dad. I never heard him swear before. They had

705
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: set up a booby trap on the Major's desk. Okay,

706
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 2: because they were always booby trapping each other. I bet

707
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: you know this kind of game.

708
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: Bit, Yeah, a little bit.

709
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: It was a whistling, real loud whistler device and they

710
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: attached it, put a primer in it, put it under

711
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: his desk drawers. When he pulled his pencils out, it

712
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: blew up like he's gonna check his pencil drawer in

713
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 2: his office.

714
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: You know.

715
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: Oh dude, when that I was in the oh, the

716
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: armory when that went off, it was so loud. I

717
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: heard right all. My Dad's like I'll be right back,

718
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: That's all he says to me. As we're on the

719
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: armory part of it, and he's like, I'll be right back,

720
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: and he just goes up and handles it like, hey.

721
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: You gotta make sure it stays funny, right, you know.

722
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: Occasionally people across the line, you know, you don't want that,

723
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: you don't want it to be received badly, Like I

724
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: thought it was funny. I thought we were joking. We're not.

725
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: We're not driving.

726
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: Okay, we're serious.

727
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're serious. Oh you're serious enough. Well, they always try.

728
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: To kill each other, that's true, but it's kind of

729
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: part of the Yeah, the teamer and mumor teamer mumor

730
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: is hard to stop with. Right, there's things that are

731
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: funny in the team room that you realize. My wife's like,

732
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, people don't talk like that. That's really not funny.

733
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: Like what, Oh is that not funny? Oh? That was funny.

734
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: It's kind of a microp. You're a team guy.

735
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be funny. You're a team guy, honey.

736
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: But that's a microcs, right, these little cultures that they

737
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: just kind of start diverging from the main the mothership.

738
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: You're like, got to bring it back, got to bring

739
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: it back.

740
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. It's true. And you know again, yeah

741
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: it's true. Man, those are some good times. We'd repel

742
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: off the building together Green Bray Family Day. They'd pull

743
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: out the m sixties belt fed and we'd be shooting

744
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: them with blanks at houses. No one even questioned us.

745
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: We're in the like this field behind the armory at

746
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: the school, just going ham with M sixteens and M sixties,

747
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: and obviously law enforcement had to be made aware. I'm

748
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: thinking about these things as I get older in life,

749
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: like could you ever do that? Today?

750
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: Right? Oh? How many things that you did as a kid?

751
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: You think, what was I do? Did I do that?

752
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: Was I really that dumb? Like? Yep, we were. They

753
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: still do that though, So that Seth group here still

754
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: runs right Empire week every summer. They bring everybody up

755
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: they could shoot, you know, blanks out of two forty

756
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: they could do. You know, they tell them they could

757
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: do all the marching. It's cool. I mean people love

758
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: it though, right, That's that's good. That's community average.

759
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: You know, ten twelve years old holding a sixty I go, hey,

760
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: can I hold it like rambow? And he's like yes,

761
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: And so I got a hell the bolt. He had

762
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: to take it from me because it's so heavy. But

763
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, where else can you

764
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: do that? Where else do you get that indoctrination into

765
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: such a cool world as a kid watching Dad and

766
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: all of his guys and all of the other kids

767
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: growing up. I'm still friends with kids from his nineteenth group.

768
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: It's funny, but they eat a little taste of it.

769
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: Some people really get hooked and just got it. I

770
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: gotta do it their lives, you know.

771
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he apologized to me about that. He's like, I'm

772
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: sorry for introducing to you at such a young age

773
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: all of this equipment and stuff. And I was like, why, Dad,

774
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: I love it. He's like, that's one of.

775
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: My kids have toys. My kids have toy guns and toys,

776
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: sores and toy everything else. So what's the difference. It's

777
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: just it's just a little cooler and a little hand air.

778
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: Frankly, Well, the dan funny thing is is I have

779
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: two full blown airsoft stores that are like armory set

780
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: up full of equipment inside of it, okay, with all

781
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: of the gear. And then we have an indoor shoot

782
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: house here outside of Hill Air Force Bace that has

783
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: exactly what it is, and we'd go in there and

784
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: do just ten on ten for three or four hours

785
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: off the time, every single day. You know. My ops

786
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: maners an infantry former infantry guy who started air softing

787
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: and then went to the infantry and then got out

788
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: and now he's like can I come back? And we're

789
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: like come Home, Come Back.

790
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: It's the appeal and Airsoff really demonstrates I think the

791
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: appeal of this work in general, Like people like that stuff.

792
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: Not everybody's a chance to do for real, but it's

793
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: just it's fun, right, It's like I got a Peter Panish.

794
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: You're like, I always wanted to be this awesome dude

795
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: that you see on TV or all the eighties movies

796
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: that we watched growing up for that guy, and then

797
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: you get a chance to kind of do it.

798
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: You know, that's cool. You're very very cool about that

799
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: because I would always tell people, you know, just because

800
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: these kids are wearing something that resembles them, they're not

801
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: out there claiming to be them. It's like Kobe Bryant

802
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: going on to the court and saying, hey, kid, take

803
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: off my jersey. But all they're trying to do is

804
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: just like look up to Kobe Bryant. He'd be like, oh,

805
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: here's some shoes, and I wear these wristbands and I

806
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: got to sweatbout for you, and here now you look

807
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: almost like me. But try to dunk, you.

808
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, exactly. I mean, there's no there's no question, right,

809
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't know to be honest, I

810
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: don't know why people feel negatively about it. It's just

811
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: like historical war, reenacting. You set anything else. If that's

812
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: what makes you happy, that's what you want to do,

813
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: who cares. It's enjoyable.

814
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: I love you, you're great.

815
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that, but you know, I just people

816
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: got to be a little more loving living that live

817
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: in general. Right, Like, Hey, whatever you do your thing,

818
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: whatever makes you happy, that's great.

819
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: I totally great. You're pretty savvy. I kind of looked

820
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: into a little bit of you and found your your

821
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: LinkedIn profile and saw that your six sigma.

822
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, oh gosh, yes, I'm a PMP and six sigma.

823
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: And you know, I have a day job. I love

824
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: my day job. I'm a program manager. So I do

825
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: a lot of fun stuff working with the old guys

826
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: and try and you know, put good training together with them.

827
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: But the realities you got to check some blocks to

828
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: get there. And so yep, six sigma and pm I

829
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: and you do it, and you know there's goodness be

830
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: at and anything. I won't say that I'd probably do

831
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: it again for fun, but it's a it's good to

832
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: have done it.

833
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, it's it's it's good because you know,

834
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: I've done some six sigma training and I didn't get

835
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: to the black belt status of it. But like my

836
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: ops manager at my arena, he's six sigma, and I'm

837
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: always going up to him like you ready, six sigma? Yeah,

838
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: come on, bro, what kind of words are you gonna

839
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: throw at me today?

840
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: That's the part that makes it feel so silly, like

841
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: there's some good material there, but sometimes it's just really

842
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: heavy hand and you're like, I can't take this seriously

843
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: and talk about it because I just feel a little embarrassed,

844
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: not just like black belt ie, like what am I

845
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: doing right now? But it's just there's good concepts there.

846
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: They just try and make them sound a little a

847
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 3: little too cool. I think it makes me a little embarrassed.

848
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: No, it's good. It's good. It's good to be able

849
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: to you know, have that here. You know, you never

850
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: know when the silliness of six sigma actually helps you.

851
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: I may use it and not even realize I'm using

852
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: it because I'm like, oh, nice.

853
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: It does. I mean, the reality is it's useful stuff.

854
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: I mean you're looking at like taking a task and

855
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: breaking it down into components and figuring out how to push,

856
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: you know, work and effort into solving these tasks. I

857
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 3: mean a lot of us really very military training. It's

858
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: got different words. It's a very similar structure to how

859
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: we think. And I mean it's goodness. I can't crap

860
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: on it as a as a as a thing that

861
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: I learned. It's just again, it just it's just packaged,

862
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: kind of silly, you know. It's like it's like that

863
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: car you're a little barrass to drive, Like I drive

864
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: a Honda Odyssey because I got five kids, and you

865
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: drive this Odyssey and you're driving around like I feel

866
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: a little ridiculous, tell you true to many van, But

867
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: I kind of like it because it's actually a really

868
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: comfortable car. So hey, you know, you just do what

869
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: you can. You try to get past them.

870
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: Let me let me, let me put you up on

871
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: a pedestal. You know, every bass player who loves your van, okay,

872
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 2: because you could put in a base amp and a crate.

873
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 3: You can put all this stuff in it, and I

874
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: could see my kids in a little mirrord thing when

875
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: they're doing stupid stuff, so I could pull over and

876
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: make them walk home, or well you you could. You

877
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: could do all those things because it's Odyssey. You know,

878
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: it's it's not the most beautiful car ever, but she functions.

879
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: Honda sponsored me handa honysty babe.

880
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: It's even maroon. It's like, I think I have the

881
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: most common car for a person with kids in America.

882
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: There's like five of them in every parking lot at Walmart.

883
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: It's just amazing. But you know what, whatever, man, that's okay.

884
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: You don't have to wear your green beanie everywhere.

885
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: Bro, Okay, just drive you're I passed it. I passed it.

886
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 2: How long ago did you get out? Are you still active?

887
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: Are you still out? What's going on? You're out now? Right? Yeah?

888
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: So I retired at the beginning of twenty three, so

889
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: I'm just over a year out. I was actually in

890
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: Germany doing some work with Ditro for my last active

891
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: duty gig, and then I decided it was the end.

892
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 3: It was the end for me. Actually, U kind of

893
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 3: the old twenty twenty with the COVID thing and being honest,

894
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: I didn't get my I didn't get my shot. So

895
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: they told me it was time to retire. And you know,

896
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: I would have talked to my wife and agreed that

897
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: maybe it's just time to retire. You know, it's not

898
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: for me anymore. And so we hung up the spurs

899
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: and come back, came back to Northwest Florida, and I

900
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 3: been happy since.

901
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: That's good. I'm happy for you and you've made it

902
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: back through all your trials and tribulations in the military.

903
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: Obviously you've been all over the place and done a

904
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: lot of things, and I think you're what theater of

905
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: operation was it like South America.

906
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: So we went in South America, and then I went

907
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: over and did a lot of Europe and Africa work

908
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, and then obviously sank.

909
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: Nobody can get away from Middle East if you were

910
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: if you've been in two thousand and one. But no Pacific.

911
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: But I think it touched everywhere else pretty well.

912
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: That's actually my dad's theater was the Pacific, the theater

913
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: of operating.

914
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: He was in a very different time, right, everybody's in

915
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: the Pacific back then.

916
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighties and nineties, Yeah, eighties and nineties. He got

917
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: out in ninety one. So yeah, he'd go over to

918
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: Thailand and the Philippines and like six months at a time.

919
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: I never went. He always went. Like the families in

920
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: I think the ssef kind of stay home and they

921
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: get to establish you know, school and friendships and you know,

922
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: church relationships for a long period of time and then

923
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: the dad goes.

924
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of separation time. It's probably

925
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: the number one thing my wife is happy about me

926
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: getting out. It's the amount of time home and the predictability. Right,

927
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like we're leaving now, Like, oh, okay,

928
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: I guess we're leaving now. Like she's had to pack

929
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: up the house and you know, three weeks notice and

930
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: moved to California. She doesn't miss that part and I

931
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: don't either. Yeah, she's getting a little tired of it.

932
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: It's fun, but little burned out on it.

933
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, that moving life. But you know, I'm just

934
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: really really happy that you made it through it all.

935
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you're happy too. And now you're living

936
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: life and you're writing a book, and so you've transitioned

937
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: into being an author. And now were you writing your

938
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: thoughts out journaling through your career in the military so

939
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: that you could have it later on?

940
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm old enough that my wife and I

941
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: on our first several deployments only wrote letters, like they

942
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: really had no comms plans. Back in one to three

943
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 3: oh four, that kind of time, you couldn't do any

944
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: other thing except write. And so I got kind of

945
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: in the habit of just writing down my thoughts and

946
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: we'd send letters, you know, almost every day. We married

947
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: twenty years, so twenty two, twenty two years. But yeah,

948
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 3: so I got in a habit of just scribbling stuff down,

949
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 3: and then honestly, during COVID sit on a back porch

950
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: doing remote work like everybody else, just started really kind

951
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: of putting thoughts on paper and really trying to capture

952
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that happened and put my thoughts down,

953
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: and it just started smith stuff started writing, and it

954
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: really kind of kind of fell in love with it,

955
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 3: and now I just enjoy it, really enjoyed the process

956
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: that kind of put thoughts down, polishing them up, and

957
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: try and tell these stories that you just don't want

958
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 3: to seem lost.

959
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: Now it was what it was, a tale of the

960
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: first Infantry Division in a Rock twenty six, two thousand

961
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: and eight. I probably watched it, you know, I mean,

962
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: there were so many embedded journalists back in the day

963
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: that were just going everywhere Ham, I mean all the

964
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: news media was different than it was, Like you really

965
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: couldn't you just watching what was going on? You know,

966
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: did you guys have embeds and stuff like.

967
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: That in the in that so many so yeah, so

968
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: many that. I mean that was we were in Bagdad

969
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 3: at the heart of the surge, and obviously you're getting

970
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: toward election year two, so it became a politically really

971
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: really sensitive place and we ended up with everybody. There's

972
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: the book, right, that's uh actually came out. Well. I

973
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: have a friend that put that cover art together and

974
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: we sat and created that chalkboard and I was like,

975
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: I want this chalkboard. I want a guy to look

976
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: confused bad. I wanted to look like he's this overwhelming

977
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: amount of information. And he really did a good job

978
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 3: putting into the cover, so good good on him him.

979
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: Chad Woody really really.

980
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: Summon artists, get a rocky culture. Bad guys create stability,

981
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: keep my guys alive.

982
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: Keep the family intact, family intact. Yeah, but that was

983
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 3: that deployment. It's just this, You're this lieutenant, you don't

984
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: know anything from anything, and you've got this overwhelming situation

985
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: of like I want you to rebuild a piece of Baghdad,

986
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: so defeat all the bad guys. You go live there

987
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: in the town. Just go live there, and then defeat

988
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 3: all the bad guys and also re establish the entirety

989
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: of the architecture of governance there. So I want you

990
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 3: to stimulate the economy and get some security running, maybe

991
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: get the utilities fixed. And I'm like, I don't know

992
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: any of that. I don't even know where to begin,

993
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: but you just you just start. And that's that's the

994
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: story I really wanted to capture. Is just this, just

995
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: this bunch of people. They were like, here, we are

996
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: a bunch of dudes living in downtown Baghdad, and we're

997
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: just going to put this place back together. And and yeah,

998
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 3: that's it. Fifteen months, it's a long time.

999
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: That's the books.

1000
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: That's it. Love of trial and error. You guys have

1001
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: time to figure things out.

1002
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: We is your book available right now for purchase on

1003
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: the web. Where can we find it out?

1004
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's Amazon, Barnes and Noble Books. A million.

1005
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: I went.

1006
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: I self published it, which you know, you you learn

1007
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 3: as you go, and I'm happy I did it that way,

1008
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: but ended up hanging out there. It's on Amazon today.

1009
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: You get it for three bucks if you want the

1010
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: digital copy. It's a nice, nice cheap.

1011
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: What a three What a three bucks? Dude? Easy? Three bucks?

1012
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: What importance?

1013
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: You're supporting Dan pace O. Hey, you know his goal

1014
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 2: of writing another book? It's three bucks. If a million

1015
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: people could just buy your book once?

1016
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the challenge. Oh, it's uh, you know, I

1017
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: never realized writing exactly how much there is to do

1018
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 3: after you write. You write the book, You're like, I

1019
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: finished the book. Awesome, I'm done right, Like, nah, that

1020
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: was like twenty percent of the work. Like, I know

1021
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: you're in the you're obviously the digital production business as well.

1022
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: There's so much more than just talking right now that

1023
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: goes into this, and it's it's a lot of work,

1024
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: like and.

1025
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: Talking and the questions and the producing and the whole

1026
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: back in and then putting them up and making it

1027
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: you know, palatable. You want your you want your listeners

1028
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: and readers to enjoy it. You're like, oh, please, you

1029
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: know the word tell me you hate my voice? Tell me,

1030
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me you could

1031
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: do it better? Go ahead, comment, go ahead.

1032
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: Feedback is another side of that altogether. Like you just

1033
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: got to get a nice thick skin. Like you get

1034
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: some you know the deal. You know, I'm sure you

1035
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: know better than I do. But gosh, you get some

1036
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: comments you're like, wow, man, that is a great thing

1037
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: you said to me.

1038
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, but I usually talk it up to that.

1039
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: They just are in my shoes. If you're supposed to

1040
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 2: be doing it, you be wearing my mother f and shoes. Bro.

1041
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: Maybe it's having a bad day, you know. I trying

1042
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: to give the person the benefit of doubt, but you

1043
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: do sometimes staying a little bit. But uh, but yeah,

1044
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: there's just so much. I mean, people were producing content

1045
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 3: every day, books, videos, everything else. I mean so much

1046
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: is produced that getting anything to stand out, I mean,

1047
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: it's got to be good. But then also even if

1048
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: it's good, there's a chance and nobody will ever read it,

1049
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: because you really got to get that word out and

1050
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: kind of help you'll see it. Otherwise it just dies.

1051
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it just gets buried in the sea of

1052
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: other things.

1053
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one thing we don't want to get buried

1054
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: is ethics, and whether you're in the military or you're

1055
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: out of the military, ethics matter, and just you know,

1056
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: being that person behind the desk as the CEO being

1057
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: the dude behind the desk over your security watch at

1058
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: the job that you got because you got out of

1059
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: the military and now your security guy.

1060
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 3: Right, it's the same, but it does it Also, it's

1061
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: funny that same analogy. If you gettings buried, you know,

1062
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: like just like a new book can get buried in

1063
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: the sea of books, ethics can just fall into this

1064
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: sea of other requirements. Because gosh, if there's one thing

1065
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: the special operations the world is buried in right now,

1066
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: it's requirements. You're supposed to be good at everything, and

1067
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do everything. You have to be culturally

1068
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: tuned into everything and ready for everything in the globe.

1069
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: How do you take a forty hour week or even

1070
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 3: a fifty hour week and break that down into blocks

1071
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: of like, all right, we're going to prepare for this,

1072
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: we're prepare for that, and ethics just tends to fall

1073
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: through cracks. It's just not it's not seen to be

1074
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 3: as important as this some man of the other stuff.

1075
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: And maybe it's not. But again, we I think we

1076
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: got we got to change the metality on that just

1077
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: a little bit. No.

1078
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 2: I took your call because it is it's important. I

1079
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: wanted you on to talk about ethics and from your

1080
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: level as a professional athlete and Green Beret.

1081
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: It's I think it's important. I think that we have

1082
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: major problems that come out of it, and we're just

1083
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 3: not diagnosing the problem and then then addressing a cure

1084
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: that we can apply to it. But I think we can.

1085
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: It's just going to take a matter of somebody being

1086
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: willing to do it.

1087
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, affirmative, affirmative, and we have to do that within ourselves. Yeah,

1088
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: it's it's within ourselves, honestly, I mean, you know, I

1089
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: hold integrity. See I'm going to bring airsoft back here

1090
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: because the game requires one important thing and that you

1091
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: call your own hit. So if somebody's one hundred yards

1092
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: out and they've thrown some rounds at you and you

1093
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: think you got hit, you should call it. Just go

1094
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: with the doubts, say with a doubt, just die, because

1095
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: somebody out there has probably got a GoPro on their

1096
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: gun and they've probably zoomed in on you to see

1097
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: if they hitch. Yes. So it's going on YouTube. So

1098
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of things around everywhere you're at

1099
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 2: and it's not just cameras. It's people and what people see,

1100
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: and it may not just be your own team. It

1101
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: could be the people you're trying to help and those

1102
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 2: people see you being that way and they are like, oh,

1103
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to help them, because

1104
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: look how they just did to that.

1105
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 3: You know, ethical, it's one hundred percent. It's reputation. It's

1106
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: all about reputation, and reputations really built the individual level.

1107
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: People need to take it upon themselves to protect their

1108
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: reputations to be ethical and upright. But organizations have to

1109
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: set the condition to make sure to reward that, to

1110
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: kind of keep an eye on that, and to kind

1111
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: of promote it right, because if you if you encourage

1112
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: people to behave unethically or to lie to you, then

1113
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 3: they're going to do it and it's kind of your

1114
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: fault for encouraging it. So so on the one hand,

1115
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: individual's got to behave right, but you also got to

1116
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: create a culture that discourages in the airsoft devance will cheating, right,

1117
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: the culture should discourage it. And so if we get there,

1118
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: then I think we could solve the problem.

1119
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Please implant ethical microchips into the bots

1120
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: that come out in the future please.

1121
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm sure Elon Musk will

1122
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 3: put a put a brain chip in us to make

1123
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: us all behave ethically. I get shocked when i'm bad, Like,

1124
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: but what just happened? I thought it was good? Yeah,

1125
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 3: you don't want to I don't get my software updates,

1126
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: so my brain doesn't recognize always stopping.

1127
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: How do we stop RoboCop from you know.

1128
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: Murphy, it's like at two and nine, right at two

1129
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: and nine, just smoking that dude that that he was

1130
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: getting his little brief like I put my weapon down,

1131
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: like I was programming error. Hopefully it's funny till it's not.

1132
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: Hopefully hopefully no brain chips coming.

1133
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: But right, well, let's keep our functional brain going and

1134
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: be the best we can be the best stewards out there.

1135
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, if you promise you're gonna do

1136
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: something and you should live up to that.

1137
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, understand. I mean it's up to us to protect

1138
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: our interputations and that communities. When I mean, if you're

1139
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: a member of profession, then it's expected that profession is

1140
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: gonna police itself and then you're gonna be able to

1141
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: handle yourself as a member of that and it's up

1142
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: to all of us to do that. And so if

1143
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: we see the organization wandering the wrong direction, we need

1144
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: to make sure and check it as members of it

1145
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: with they were the only people who can.

1146
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 2: That's right. And if you're out there listening and you're

1147
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: thinking about taking a step into the military, I encourage

1148
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: you to go talk to a career counselor and see

1149
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: if it's the right step for you. You never know

1150
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: if you're going to be s F unless you go

1151
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: try to become special Forces. You just can't say I

1152
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: could have, would have if you never tried or should have?

1153
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: So you know, it's so true, guys. There's a huge

1154
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: expression in the community. It's like never self self assess right,

1155
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: never tell yourself that you're not going to succeed at

1156
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: something like no, no, go through the process. There's a

1157
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: process that'll tell you if you're good enough or not.

1158
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 3: But let them make that decision because you might find

1159
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: out one that better than your thought, or at least

1160
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: you might find out what you need to do to improve.

1161
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: And so I gosh, self limiting and self doubt. It's

1162
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: such a huge check on what people think they can

1163
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 3: do with their lives.

1164
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: Like not.

1165
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: Just give it a try.

1166
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: You know what you can.

1167
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: You can write a book, you can produce a video.

1168
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: You could be green bereat right. You might not be

1169
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: very good. Abb you can try and then you'll know.

1170
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's the parent. That's

1171
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 3: my dad talk coming out right, So I can tell

1172
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: my kids every day. So apologies on that one.

1173
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: Same here, same here, say no, it's all good. No,

1174
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: I love to hear it, and especially from you and

1175
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: and on behalf of my dad. Thank you, you know

1176
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: for the bloodlines that you have running through you, so

1177
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 2: you know, there's not much else about that I can't quite.

1178
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 3: It doesn't like being a parent. I love.

1179
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: Your kids will all appreciate everything that you do and

1180
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: as well as I do, and I'm sure my listeners

1181
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: do as well. And I know I've had you roughly

1182
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: an hour on our show and we've been talking and

1183
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: I'd love to have you back and we could talk

1184
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: more and get into other books and things that you've

1185
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: got going on. And you know, it's nice to introduce

1186
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 2: you to the community here, you know, Dan, and thanks

1187
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: so much for being on the show. And if you

1188
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: have any last minutes of words, I'll let you have

1189
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 2: them go ahead first.

1190
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I appreciate it, you know, I mean,

1191
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: it's uh, you want to get the message out. You

1192
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: want to make sure people kind of hear what you

1193
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: think is the right thing to tell people. And and

1194
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: I appreciate you you providing that venue, not just for me,

1195
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: but for other people. Right there's a lot of people

1196
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: that have a message to tell on and if there's

1197
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 3: no place to do it, then you know, that message

1198
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: kind of dies. And so thanks for what you do,

1199
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: and thanks for having me on. I I'd love to

1200
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: come talk again sometime. I probably like talking a little

1201
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: too much, tell you the truth, so I'm always happy

1202
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: to do it.

1203
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: Bro, we can get into a whole other conversation why

1204
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: I'm even in this job.

1205
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 3: Hey, we'll gravitate things for free.

1206
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. And I'll behalf of Brandon Webb

1207
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: who runs soft rep dot com, who gives me my job.

1208
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: Got to give him a shout out. And you know,

1209
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: go check out the book club at soft rep dot

1210
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: com Forward Slash Book hyphen Club. You can go check

1211
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: out Cold Fear, Steal Fear, all the different books that

1212
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: are in there right now, and hopefully we can get

1213
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: Dan's uh to go inside of our book club. I'll

1214
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: link you up with Guy, our manager, our managing editor,

1215
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: and see if that can please do happen? You know

1216
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: what I mean? How that would so? So I'll hook

1217
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: up with us in an email after we're done here.

1218
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: So I'll behalf of soft rep dot com. I'll be

1219
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: of myself, rad and damn Pace in my listener out there,

1220
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: I just want to say peace.

1221
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: You've been listening to self red Radia