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Speaker 1: It's another DNA test, happy ending after seventy years of misery.

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Speaker 2: It's one more thing. I'm strong and gedye. I look

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Speaker 2: forward to that. I can't imagine what that is. But

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Speaker 2: first this, as it came up in a one circle

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Speaker 2: I run in. I run in many different kinds of circles, Katie, Oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: running in circles. Indeed, this was tweeted out by Marjorie

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Speaker 2: Taylor Green yesterday. It was a retweet of a story

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Speaker 2: from Robert F. Kennedy Junior. So you combining RFK Junior

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Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior just exposed democrats for poisoning children's food. This

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Speaker 2: I saw it bouncing around and I had it brought

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Speaker 2: up to at least one person in private life about

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Speaker 2: democrats are poisoning our food and we need to watch

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Speaker 2: out for it. It's amazing, like strick nine or rat poison,

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Speaker 2: or like too much sugar and yeah, just all the

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Speaker 2: all the bad for you chemicals, which I mean, and

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Speaker 2: our kid Jr. Is standing in front of a box

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Speaker 2: how unhealthy all that stuff is. You know, stuff that

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Speaker 2: tastes good. It's all the stuff that tastes good. And

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Speaker 2: I eat some of it and I'm still alive. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if it's a did you

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Speaker 2: just cheese? Its? No?

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Speaker 3: Yes, no.

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Speaker 1: Refined garbage. You people are feeding into your bodies. Do

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Speaker 1: be dead? You won't need you won't eat it?

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Speaker 2: Cheese it no?

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Speaker 3: No, what I thought I knew you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something is wrong. I always do with my son

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Speaker 2: when he says stuff like that, I say, get out

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Speaker 2: how you're adopted, he said. My son said the other day,

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Speaker 3: You're out of the will at this point in my life.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. That's it.

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Speaker 1: You're out of the will. I try to avoid the

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Speaker 1: ultra process stuff. I try very hard these days.

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Speaker 2: Good for you, aren't you? Aren't you better than everyone?

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Speaker 1: Well, now I gotta look at I've got to admit

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Speaker 1: I'm really into the pretzel chips. I don't don't think

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Speaker 1: So yet another one of these twenty three and Me

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Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty one a park in West Oakland, California.

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Speaker 3: Bam gone the blank of it. Wow, never found.

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Speaker 2: Really right, Michael TV picked it up? Then it just

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Speaker 1: Still, so, little six year old Luis Albino was whisked away.

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Speaker 1: And loved right right, you know, still unspeakable nightmare. But

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Speaker 1: the problem was, for seventy years, nobody knew what happened

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Speaker 1: You would have vague memories of it. But who knows

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Speaker 2: If you told a six year old over and over

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to wonder how many times this has happened,

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Speaker 1: I assume what you're implying is correct, but I don't

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Speaker 3: Worst, I think it would be a big nothing.

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Speaker 2: You mean, you got a big brother you don't know

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Speaker 1: then find out dad has a family across town or

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Speaker 1: what have you. But the only thing I've done, Katie

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Speaker 1: and found out is that I am so incredibly white.

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Speaker 1: I am the whitest white man who's ever whited. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm apparently your white sister because I did the ancestry

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Speaker 1: You're my sister from another myster Yeah, you could practically

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Speaker 1: see my bones.

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Speaker 2: I'm so white.

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Speaker 2: Really messes up the results.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Michael, that was idiotic and great, really

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Speaker 2: Oh lord, well, I guess that's it. Oh that's one

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Speaker 2: of your all time great smunk Get back an email.

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Speaker 2: You need to brush your teeth more often.