WEBVTT - Wiretap Raps 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:06.280 You're listening waiting on reparations the production of iHeart Radio. Hey, 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:11.920 you ain't no reparations. Uh. I see these snipers what 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.680 they I host set cripple lay rifles and they white supreme. 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:16.919 But what I figured that the spipe fool pets people 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:18.919 getting is that it's my whole set. I'm just the 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.600 ticket head of generation why and Z. I know my 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.200 ideas won't die even if I'm modern, My squad will 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.200 go harder. My movement goes farther, goest barrow. I'm proof 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.080 that any good with a good heart could finished whore 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.760 I started. Who is Mariah Parker Man? It doesn't even 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.240 matter if I'm really being honest, and honesty is the 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.360 quality we need to leave the charge. We need defeat 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:38.400 the sparkle beat. The doctor sees completely the ton of 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.840 may we screaming barker, bleeding hearts would do it. I'm repeat, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.519 So we have we blocked the streets betweet in march 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.800 for better policy. Yes, I wish it wasn't me, but 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.839 God damn it, it's gotta be. I'm not a champion 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:48.720 or a panther. I'm just standing with my hands up. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.360 The man answers handing over. It's my man's turn. You know, 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:53.800 I'm walking to my dealer. They spraying so the clouds 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:55.680 of Brave my life in the thriller. I'm trying to 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.840 earn my modest pay. If they want to follow, well, 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:59.880 it's not like you can drive away while you listen. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.960 And they're saying, I'm only trying to buy a wake 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:03.720 him up, shake them up. I wanted to, but they 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.199 doubted it. Swapped Meet Louis World looking like its counterfeit rass, 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.120 chase cheese, and settle for fake accomplishments. Rappers should do 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.880 like Nasco and wait the corporate sponsorship, his ice cream 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.240 and every color. When you for your president, you can 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.280 only pick the fuck up from two living like there's 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.360 nothing to do. And when we stuck, they abused because 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.399 we confuse freedom with just being comfortable. They're loving me 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.280 smoke pure, nothing to go and fade away. Everything is 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.160 like the whole game is stuck on lay wait and 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.920 pay to make a plate, but they'll pay to make 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:30.600 a prison. Should is rape. It's got you tell you 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.199 in your position, fuck it, they don't listen a yap 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.319 yo le franca. My name is dope knife and we 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:44.240 are waiting on reparations. Hey, so how's your how's your week? 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:49.520 It's been better? Um, I have fucking coronavirus. Yes, this 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:51.600 I know, of course, because you know, of course that's 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.560 my roommate. I went after the protests in the march 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:59.040 on Sunday, having been around a couple of thousand people, uh, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.640 you know, decided to go get tested last Wednesday. And 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.800 I waited in line for three hours and got my 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.600 test back in back a few minutes and found out 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.960 that I have fucking coronavirus. So what was I like? 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.640 I mean, what was it like taking this house? It 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.480 was like scary. I mean, like I saw that video 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.240 online of them like shoving the Q tip into your brain, 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.799 and like I was so scared. I flinched. All I 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.119 did was swab the right like just inside my nose. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.320 But I was like flinching. It's like like the whole time. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.560 And then you know, I was fine. But they didn't 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.200 like jam it in there. They did not jam a 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:34.760 QUE tip into my brain. Yeah, thankfully, but yeah, technological advantage. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.080 I know, we're good places in America. Finally catching up 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.040 with South Korea, well yeah, I mean I I of 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:44.000 course I went on self quarantine since it doesn't been 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:48.000 hiding this room like hard. I mean, I mean the 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.760 chances are that, you know, like if you live in 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.639 the house with somebody. I don't know that I have it. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.919 I really don't. I know that you have it. I don't. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.480 Didn't hear that about coronavirus when when you get it 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.560 you can sense it. Another piece of people being gay. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.080 So I'm just locking around here rowing it up. Well, 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.600 I mean I haven't. I haven't gotten any symptoms yet. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.799 I'm on as we're recording those. I'm on my seventh 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:18.200 day of lockdown since I was exposed quote unquote, So 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.799 I mean, yeah, you know, yeah, my symptoms have only 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:26.440 been pretty mild. I went to the hospital last night, uh, 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.680 because I was having chest pains and like my home 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.280 oximeter said my oxygen levels were really low, and so 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:33.959 I called a couple of hot lines. They were all like, 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.680 you should call one one. It was pretty scary. I 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.160 was really scared. But then I went to the hospital 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.120 for a couple of hours and they did chest X 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.440 rays and I don't have pneumonia, so they it's like 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.760 I went through like stages. Because it's like when you 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.480 when you told me. You were like, yo, I got 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.240 the ron up, and I was like, ah, fuck, all right, 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.400 because we recorded the episode, so I guess I got 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.600 the road to too right. So like for the first day, 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.760 I was like sad. It was sucked up. The you know, 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.160 episode one was coming out the next day and I 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.600 was all sad, like, man, I got the roadap you 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.040 kept having like a spirit and energy about you that 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.200 was just it was like damn, well, right, Yo, we're 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.320 gonna beat This is gonna be fine. And then like 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:15.880 you're like, yeah, I gotta go to the hospital. I 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:20.600 was like, oh no, yeah, I'm doing good. I mean 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.640 I've been facing a lot of backlash online. I was 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.440 like very transparent immediately when I found out. I posted 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.840 on Facebook that I have coronavirus and it got shared, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.320 I don't know, four hundred times, and like everybody from 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.880 fum funk anywhere that hates the liberal blue dot of 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.240 Athens was giving me shit about having led this margin 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:46.600 Sunday and uh that sucked. But um, you know, I've 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.520 faced a lot of harassment before as like a public 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.360 figure of public you know, public servant, And I also 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.359 just wanted to emphasize that I'm certainly not letting this 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.200 fucking stop me. Like, like you said, I've had some 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.360 energy anyway. Yeah, I don't feel good, but like all 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.719 day today, I've been planning another protests, this time a 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.560 car caravan through the streets of Athens. We are partnering 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.440 with the local radio station to have them play revolutionary 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:17.960 jams all night and have one of our comrades behind 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.600 the you know, in the booth speaking to the people, 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.279 and as we drive around the city to all the 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.479 locations where people were killed by cops last year, they're 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.159 gonna read biographies of those people who were killed so 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.680 we can pay homage to them. And then we're gonna 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.120 sucking shut down downtown Athens from a safe distance, so 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.320 you know, all my fellow COVID havers as well as 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.240 other vulnerable people can like participate in the movement in 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:52.120 the revolution. Finally, you know what's really funny, So people 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.039 online speaking of harassment and ship have been questioning whether 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.479 or not I've been given a false positive on my 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.640 coronavirus tests to silence me. I mean, what do you 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:07.120 think of that? I mean, I don't believe it, but 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.080 it's not out of the question given the ways that 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:15.240 like the government has surveiled that infortrated and sabotage black 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:19.000 lead cultural organizations and movements throughout history. There's like, there's 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.200 like a historical precedent for this kind of thing with 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.000 with me and things like that. It's like you always 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.080 have to think of the implications. It's like, so that 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:31.039 would mean that the people at the hospital didn't do 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.279 their job, or we're in on it potentially, you know 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.920 what I mean. It's like, I'm not saying that that's 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.920 out of the question. I'm just saying, like, is that 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.440 I asked the folks at the hospital to retest me, 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.320 and they were like, no, you know, false negatives are 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.280 far more common than false positive, so if you tested positive, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.160 you probably have it. I'm not saying this is I'm 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.120 not saying there is a plot, but I'm just saying that, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.840 like there's historical precedent. I'm just being Devil's advocate. There's 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.719 definitely a historical precedent for it. I mean that's with 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.160 the episode is to day, which is like the FEDS 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:07.080 or FBI or one time Faveaux, whatever you want to 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:12.120 call it, spying on various revolutionary movements and groups and individuals. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.600 Now As far back as the nineteen thirties, black musicians 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.000 were monitored by the FBI for suspected involvement or forgiving 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.760 sympathy to revolutionary groups. From the likes of Louis Armstrong, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.360 Duke Ellington, Charles Mingus, Nat King Cole, they were all 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.920 tracked by FBI. FBI records even show the agents would 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.600 repeatedly attempt to determine if Nat King Cole was a communist, sympathizer, 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.800 civil rights activists, or some kind of troublemaker. That's just 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.120 one example. So you've got that ship. And then in 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.600 the nineteen fifties and nineteen seventies you've got co intel 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.680 pro so like the series of covert FBI operations aimed 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:50.720 at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations, anything 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.640 from the Communist Party to the Nation of Islam, like 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.320 they were getting into animal rights and environmental activist groups, 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.000 the civil rights movement, and the black power moves. This 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:07.120 was like all under the Jagger Hoover regime of the administration. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.160 So after nineteen sixty three, after the March on Washington 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.600 for Jobs and Freedom, Hoover singled out Martin Luther King Jr. 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.960 Is a major target for cointel Pro. The FBI infamously 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.440 sent MLK a letter in nineteen sixty four that was 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.160 encouraging and to commit suicide. Beginning in nineteen sixty nine, 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.800 coin tel Pro started targeting leaders of the Black Panther 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.680 Party and having them assassinated or falsely charged for crimes 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.840 they didn't commit and in prison or even publicly humiliated 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.280 and blackmail. The overall effect of this was just like 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:43.240 a general environment of Hayden foremants, illegal surveillance operations aimed 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.520 at intimidating, and a lot of this was officially uncovered 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.800 years or even decades later. But make no mistake, some 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.880 of this was actual illegal activity on the party straight up. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.480 I mean they were engaged in research and study of 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:03.319 black culture, and they had files on music as theater, actors, magazines, 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.560 black independent bookstores, and it was all for the purpose 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.880 of infiltration. So yeah, so get this. In Night X, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.880 FBI informant Darthurd Perry gave his account of the way 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.839 the FBI would study black culture musicians, comedians, actors to 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.439 better infiltrate black cultural organizations and revolutionary groups. During the 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.679 nineteen sixties, they study the profiles of celebrities who were 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.679 supportive organizations by like gathering intel on their psychological backgrounds, 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.080 their weaknesses, their strengths, their files and files on like 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.480 their sexual activity, and they use these weaknesses to get 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.000 further information out of them or disrupt their engagement with 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:41.960 political organizations. He for example, describes a sting involving Doc Holiday, 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.640 one of the leaders of the b GF or the 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.079 Black Gorilla Family, a Marxist Leninist narcotics prison gang, and 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.720 the California prison system. So they so they did this 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.320 sting where they planted a woman in his life who 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.800 became his lover to extract names, phone numbers, and other 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.680 information for him over several months when he was released. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.240 But you know, it wasn't just like narcotics gang leaders 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.080 of Marxist Leninist persuasion. It was people like Sammy Davis Jr. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.040 Perry was assigned to get close to Sammy Davis Jr. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.520 And his staff and would videotape us whole office, including 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:17.160 numerous other celebrities that dropped in. Damn Niggas was snitching 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.560 way before Takashi. It was so much more at stake. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.040 Perry himself also infiltrated the Watts Writer's Workshop, which was 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.280 a creative writing group initiated in the wake of the 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:31.400 devastating August Watts riots in South central Los Angeles, and 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:35.559 admits on camera in this interview to burning the workshop 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:39.920 to the ground on behalf of the FBI. When asked 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.040 if he thought these activities were still ongoing and at 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.440 the time of the interview, Perry laughed and emphatically a 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.440 sense that things escalated the year after year during coental 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.080 pro and probably had escalated even further after you left 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.720 the agency. Yeah, there's well documented evidence that the FBI 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.200 has continued to monitor black musicians to this day. For example, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.960 the FBI has a mask the twenty eight page surveillance 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.640 file and R and B poet Neil Scott Heron from 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.600 the nineties, seventies and eighties, which identifies his ties to 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.559 socialist group to All Africans People's Revolutionary Party as an 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:16.240 extremist matter. Now, as far as hip hop's concern, I mean, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.680 at this point, FBI surveillance might as well be a 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:25.680 fucking element. I mean, they've surveiled, investigated, and extorted rappers 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.120 for years. We've got Tupac Easy notorious b I G. 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.560 We're all uncovered to have been under surveillance n way 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.000 around the time of the the Police song. They were 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.160 actually sent a warning letter from the FBI, and in 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:43.880 twenty eleven, the FBI's National Gang Threat Assessment classified Juggalos 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.720 as a gang. Now, the Juggalos are like the fan 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.520 base or the community that's surrounding the rap group. The 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.400 insane clown posse, which the insane clown posts is like this, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.880 you should just you should you should just contact your 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.679 pharmacists and ask them if in saying clown policy is 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:05.480 right for you, and yeah, take the recommended Does this 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.640 all led like this led to people who had this 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:14.560 gang designation, like getting you know, constant job promotion. Well, 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.000 I mean I can see it happening. I mean you 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.440 can't imagine it, like like I just know from circles 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.400 that I know, like people like clown on Jugglers to 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.680 begin with. Let alone, if you're trying to get hired 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.959 or like get into the military. So I can imagine 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.040 if somebody's trying to get a job or something and 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.880 someone who's like, you know, posting you at the gathering 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.680 of the Juggle or something that's like not cool. You 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:41.080 know what I'm saying. Yeah, um, you know. Actually I 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.960 used to have some rap proteges. I had like an 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.920 opportunity to open up for insane clown posse, and I 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.200 ended up sending my rap proteges to do it so 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.680 that I could do a different like festival thing. But 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.520 they covered those boys in fuego. The nixas was all sticky, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:05.800 But I think they had fun though. So I mean, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.080 here we go, like, we got mountains of evidence that 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.120 the government has surveilled haapotage and committed acts of violence 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.920 against revolutionaries and musicians in a systematic way for almost 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.040 one years. And then you have the fact that over 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:23.800 the last six years, six Ferguson activists have turned up dead. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.880 A November fourteen, the morning after the grand jury declined 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.720 to indict Mike Brown's killer, twenty year old DeAndre Joshua, 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.320 close friend of Dorrian Johnson, who was with Michael Brown 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.400 on the day of Mike's death, was found dead, reportedly 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.000 inside a burned car after being shot in the head. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.880 In September two thousand sixteen, twenty nine year old Darren Seals, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.320 a prominent figure in the Ferguson protests, suffered a similar 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.880 death to Joshua. His body was found inside a burning 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.240 car after having been shot as well. Like what the 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.280 fuck is that? Then you got Shawn Gray, who was 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.160 three years old when he went missing the same that 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.160 Joshua died, and was later found it drowned in a river. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.760 A medical examiner ruled the death and accidental drowning, with 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.640 alcohol poisoning as a major contributing factor, according to the 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.280 Louis St. Louis Post Dispatch. But then in two thousand eighteen, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.520 in November bass and Mass three, a Palestinian American man 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.840 who live stream videos at the Perkusan protests, was found 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:26.400 overdose on fennyl on a bus. Edward Crawford Jr. Seven 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.040 was featured in the famous photograph from Ferguson throwing a 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.280 gas canister back at the police. Police determined that he 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:38.160 died by suicide. May two thousand seventeen. In October two 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.360 thousand eighteen, twenty four year old Danye Jones was found 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.720 dead in the yard of a St. Louis Holmes. It 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.560 was also ruled a suicide. Okay, so these don't quite 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.400 look in quack like ducks. I will give them that 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.880 people kill themselves people due too many drugs. I've been 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.480 really close to doing both many times in my life. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.240 But like you know, and I'm not saying it was 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.880 the government. It could easily, you know, be white supremacist groups, 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.040 or it could just be two murders and four folks 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.840 who snapped under the tremendous pressure of doing this work 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.640 and either took their own lives or self medicated themselves 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.560 into an early grave. In either case, it's still white 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.600 supremacist violence against people of color. Harassing and humanizing someone 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.960 to the point they killed themselves in the yard is 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.720 still white supremacy at work. And who knows how many 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.720 countless people who weren't prominent figures in the movement also 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.280 took their lives in the aftermath of Ferguson feeling helpless 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.000 to stop what's happening in this country and surrendering. I mean, 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.880 and I think what this also tells us is that 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.320 this is war. If you you know, want to talk 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.280 about David mcgaddy shot by cops while leaning out the 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.160 door of his restaurant in Louisville couple weeks ago, maybe 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.080 just last week, or Sarah Grossman who died of an 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.000 asthma attack after being hit with tear gas or even 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.440 had they're higher, the protesters are struck and killed by 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.440 a white supremacist car and Charlotte's go in two thousand seventeen. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.280 People are dying for this and they will continue to 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.000 die for this, in my belief, until we win. And 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.280 I think it's some of that people, particularly white people 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:08.880 who are new to this work, kind of have to 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.640 be prepared for when they are signing up for the 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.840 spite Do you think white people should be prepared to 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.680 die for this movement? I mean, I think everybody should 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.240 be prepared for violence. I mean, when you're trying to 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:26.720 jake up any system, you can expect violent reaction or 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:31.800 violent opposition to change all the time. I think that, Um, 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.640 we're in like an environment right now where I think 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.040 a lot of a lot of the Trump stuff that 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.640 I don't think people are paying attention to is like 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:46.320 if Trump looks into the camera and tells his supporters 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.120 to do some dumb ship, there's a lot of people 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.360 who would be willing to do some dumb ships. How 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.040 many people were calling medical hotlines to try to figure 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.320 out whether or not they should drink bleach, so yeah. So, 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.800 I mean and and even to this day, I mean, 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:01.480 like we were just talking about all this stuff with 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.440 the FBI surveillance. I mean, to this day, they're still 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:11.720 doing this disproportionate focus on left wing groups or left 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:16.200 wing activity with like a blind eye to right wing 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.360 extremists and ship. It's like, um, in two thousand and seventeen, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.439 the FBI sent out a secret memo warning about the 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.760 rise of Black identity extremists. And this is like in 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.359 the this is the same year that this is the 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.679 same year as Charlottesville. I got money, you know what 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.280 I'm saying. So it's like weird that they have this 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:39.119 focus for Black Lives Matter or antifas like movements and organizations. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.840 They haven't killed anybody, but then they turn a blind 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:43.760 eye to some of these right wing groups they got 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.240 like mad bodies on them. Well with like these the 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.440 Black Panthers had some shootouts, yeah, but I mean it 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.240 wasn't a lot of that in like retaliation though. I mean, 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.240 it's not like they started like, hey, we're coming out 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.199 the gate attacking the FBI or some ship like that. Yeah. None, right, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.800 you're right. I mean, everybody's all up in arms about 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.840 State violence as they should be, particularly police violence. But 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.840 then there's all all this evidence about tracking and monitoring, disruption, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.560 all these covert kinds of violence and control that because 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.560 we can't film it with our camera phones and we 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.080 can't watch watch it on the news, people are paying 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.880 attention to it. So people keep saying stuff like, oh, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.840 be safe out there are your protests, but like there's 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.280 so many other levels to safety with regards to combating 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.600 state violence that like people aren't talking about stuff like 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:34.200 encrypting your text messages, like don't send sensitive things via 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.560 email or even text. Call people if you have, if 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.320 you're making plans, if you're doing direct action and organizing 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:46.320 around it. Um, because we don't fully grasp the scope 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.040 and scale of the surveillance operations that the FBI is 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.000 capable of, just use common sense and like act as 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.760 if the ship is not like a game we live 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.119 I mean, and we were living in. We're living in 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.800 like the overshare yea era where like everyone thinks it's 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.639 so cool to like bust out all their fucking secrets online. 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.520 It's like, yo, it's not cool. I mean, it's cool 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.439 to party. I was really moved by like Saturday, the 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:12.720 people dancing in the streets, and like they were like 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.399 doing line dances and swing dances and and like I 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.840 love that kind of spirit to these things, where like 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.920 we're reclaiming our streets joyously as well as in grieving. 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.159 But also don't treat it like a fucking party in 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:29.840 the sense of like opening yourself up to um, getting 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.359 your friends nabbed by the cops because you posted pictures 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.040 of their faces from the protest online, or your text 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.800 messages get intercepted in which you're discussing bringing cones to 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:46.520 the protests to help diffuse or neutralize tear gas canisters. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.840 Like that kind of ship UM could get you popped. 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.639 So don't do it, or do it in an encrypted, 0:19:52.680 --> 0:20:01.720 safe way, a safe way as possible. So it's like, 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.960 how do we handle it? What? What does all this 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.240 mean during this time? How do does taking precaution even matter? 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:15.359 Are we just defenseless against the state? Yeah, until there's 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.960 until there's until there's like a fundamental change from within. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:23.520 I don't think that at any point yet there's been 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.760 an elected official or somebody who has worked their way 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.800 up the ranks of the system who is in the 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.320 mind frame of you know, let's take power away from 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.679 the state. So until that happens, I think the states 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.560 just like too powerful for it to change, because you know, 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.160 people are trying to get it to the way we've 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.920 been going about it. People have been protesting for years. 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.720 It's ultimately going to have to like have to be 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.800 the effort from within. Yeah, I've been telling people lately 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.520 we cannot take away their guns with our hands. That 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.600 these last two weeks, I've shown us that, well, we 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.880 can take away their guns with our laws. We can 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:59.879 take away their power with their laws. We can let 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:04.200 slate all of their ammunition away, we can shrink them 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.960 like I you know, people want to talk about a revolution, 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.720 and that's all cool and fine. I draw a lot 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.000 of strength from revolutionary movements of old, but like, we're 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:18.280 not going to overthrow the government. No. Like if they're 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.040 if you know, like if they're reading all our text 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.640 messages and they're infiltrating our cultural groups in burning them 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.960 to the ground, and I feel like in all this, 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.879 you know, understanding this history, it underscores the importance of 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:34.000 protecting the identities of people. At these protests, everybody wants 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.000 to live stream and take their little selfie with their 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:40.080 cute little like hashtaggable sign. But you have to protect 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:41.680 the I didn't they say the people this protest because 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.880 people are going missing, people are dying, They are watching us. 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.119 I mean, they've got secret police out there in the streets, 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.560 blur the faces of people in your videos. If you're 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.919 live streaming live stream from the shoulders down, I you know, 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.320 I couldn't be at the protest here on Saturday because 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.360 I have fucking coronavirus. But you know, I was able 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.600