1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: You're listening waiting on reparations the production of iHeart Radio. Hey, 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: you ain't no reparations. Uh. I see these snipers what 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: they I host set cripple lay rifles and they white supreme. 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: But what I figured that the spipe fool pets people 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: getting is that it's my whole set. I'm just the 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: ticket head of generation why and Z. I know my 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: ideas won't die even if I'm modern, My squad will 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: go harder. My movement goes farther, goest barrow. I'm proof 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: that any good with a good heart could finished whore 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: I started. Who is Mariah Parker Man? It doesn't even 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: matter if I'm really being honest, and honesty is the 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: quality we need to leave the charge. We need defeat 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: the sparkle beat. The doctor sees completely the ton of 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: may we screaming barker, bleeding hearts would do it. I'm repeat, 15 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: So we have we blocked the streets betweet in march 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: for better policy. Yes, I wish it wasn't me, but 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: God damn it, it's gotta be. I'm not a champion 18 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: or a panther. I'm just standing with my hands up. 19 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: The man answers handing over. It's my man's turn. You know, 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm walking to my dealer. They spraying so the clouds 21 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: of Brave my life in the thriller. I'm trying to 22 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: earn my modest pay. If they want to follow, well, 23 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: it's not like you can drive away while you listen. 24 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: And they're saying, I'm only trying to buy a wake 25 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: him up, shake them up. I wanted to, but they 26 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 1: doubted it. Swapped Meet Louis World looking like its counterfeit rass, 27 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: chase cheese, and settle for fake accomplishments. Rappers should do 28 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: like Nasco and wait the corporate sponsorship, his ice cream 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: and every color. When you for your president, you can 30 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: only pick the fuck up from two living like there's 31 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: nothing to do. And when we stuck, they abused because 32 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: we confuse freedom with just being comfortable. They're loving me 33 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: smoke pure, nothing to go and fade away. Everything is 34 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: like the whole game is stuck on lay wait and 35 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: pay to make a plate, but they'll pay to make 36 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: a prison. Should is rape. It's got you tell you 37 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: in your position, fuck it, they don't listen a yap 38 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: yo le franca. My name is dope knife and we 39 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: are waiting on reparations. Hey, so how's your how's your week? 40 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: It's been better? Um, I have fucking coronavirus. Yes, this 41 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: I know, of course, because you know, of course that's 42 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: my roommate. I went after the protests in the march 43 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: on Sunday, having been around a couple of thousand people, uh, 44 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, decided to go get tested last Wednesday. And 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: I waited in line for three hours and got my 46 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: test back in back a few minutes and found out 47 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: that I have fucking coronavirus. So what was I like? 48 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: I mean, what was it like taking this house? It 49 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: was like scary. I mean, like I saw that video 50 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: online of them like shoving the Q tip into your brain, 51 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: and like I was so scared. I flinched. All I 52 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: did was swab the right like just inside my nose. 53 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: But I was like flinching. It's like like the whole time. 54 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: And then you know, I was fine. But they didn't 55 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: like jam it in there. They did not jam a 56 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: QUE tip into my brain. Yeah, thankfully, but yeah, technological advantage. 57 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: I know, we're good places in America. Finally catching up 58 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: with South Korea, well yeah, I mean I I of 59 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: course I went on self quarantine since it doesn't been 60 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: hiding this room like hard. I mean, I mean the 61 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: chances are that, you know, like if you live in 62 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: the house with somebody. I don't know that I have it. 63 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: I really don't. I know that you have it. I don't. 64 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: Didn't hear that about coronavirus when when you get it 65 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: you can sense it. Another piece of people being gay. 66 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: So I'm just locking around here rowing it up. Well, 67 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean I haven't. I haven't gotten any symptoms yet. 68 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm on as we're recording those. I'm on my seventh 69 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: day of lockdown since I was exposed quote unquote, So 70 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, yeah, my symptoms have only 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: been pretty mild. I went to the hospital last night, uh, 72 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: because I was having chest pains and like my home 73 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: oximeter said my oxygen levels were really low, and so 74 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: I called a couple of hot lines. They were all like, 75 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: you should call one one. It was pretty scary. I 76 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: was really scared. But then I went to the hospital 77 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: for a couple of hours and they did chest X 78 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: rays and I don't have pneumonia, so they it's like 79 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: I went through like stages. Because it's like when you 80 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: when you told me. You were like, yo, I got 81 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: the ron up, and I was like, ah, fuck, all right, 82 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: because we recorded the episode, so I guess I got 83 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: the road to too right. So like for the first day, 84 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: I was like sad. It was sucked up. The you know, 85 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: episode one was coming out the next day and I 86 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: was all sad, like, man, I got the roadap you 87 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: kept having like a spirit and energy about you that 88 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: was just it was like damn, well, right, Yo, we're 89 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: gonna beat This is gonna be fine. And then like 90 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, I gotta go to the hospital. I 91 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh no, yeah, I'm doing good. I mean 92 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: I've been facing a lot of backlash online. I was 93 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: like very transparent immediately when I found out. I posted 94 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: on Facebook that I have coronavirus and it got shared, 95 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, four hundred times, and like everybody from 96 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: fum funk anywhere that hates the liberal blue dot of 97 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: Athens was giving me shit about having led this margin 98 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: Sunday and uh that sucked. But um, you know, I've 99 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: faced a lot of harassment before as like a public 100 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: figure of public you know, public servant, And I also 101 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: just wanted to emphasize that I'm certainly not letting this 102 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: fucking stop me. Like, like you said, I've had some 103 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: energy anyway. Yeah, I don't feel good, but like all 104 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: day today, I've been planning another protests, this time a 105 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: car caravan through the streets of Athens. We are partnering 106 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: with the local radio station to have them play revolutionary 107 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: jams all night and have one of our comrades behind 108 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: the you know, in the booth speaking to the people, 109 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: and as we drive around the city to all the 110 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: locations where people were killed by cops last year, they're 111 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: gonna read biographies of those people who were killed so 112 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: we can pay homage to them. And then we're gonna 113 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: sucking shut down downtown Athens from a safe distance, so 114 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, all my fellow COVID havers as well as 115 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: other vulnerable people can like participate in the movement in 116 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: the revolution. Finally, you know what's really funny, So people 117 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: online speaking of harassment and ship have been questioning whether 118 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: or not I've been given a false positive on my 119 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: coronavirus tests to silence me. I mean, what do you 120 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: think of that? I mean, I don't believe it, but 121 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: it's not out of the question given the ways that 122 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: like the government has surveiled that infortrated and sabotage black 123 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: lead cultural organizations and movements throughout history. There's like, there's 124 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: like a historical precedent for this kind of thing with 125 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: with me and things like that. It's like you always 126 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: have to think of the implications. It's like, so that 127 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: would mean that the people at the hospital didn't do 128 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: their job, or we're in on it potentially, you know 129 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, I'm not saying that that's 130 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: out of the question. I'm just saying, like, is that 131 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: I asked the folks at the hospital to retest me, 132 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: and they were like, no, you know, false negatives are 133 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: far more common than false positive, so if you tested positive, 134 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: you probably have it. I'm not saying this is I'm 135 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: not saying there is a plot, but I'm just saying that, 136 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: like there's historical precedent. I'm just being Devil's advocate. There's 137 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: definitely a historical precedent for it. I mean that's with 138 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: the episode is to day, which is like the FEDS 139 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: or FBI or one time Faveaux, whatever you want to 140 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: call it, spying on various revolutionary movements and groups and individuals. 141 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: Now As far back as the nineteen thirties, black musicians 142 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: were monitored by the FBI for suspected involvement or forgiving 143 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: sympathy to revolutionary groups. From the likes of Louis Armstrong, 144 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: Duke Ellington, Charles Mingus, Nat King Cole, they were all 145 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: tracked by FBI. FBI records even show the agents would 146 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: repeatedly attempt to determine if Nat King Cole was a communist, sympathizer, 147 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: civil rights activists, or some kind of troublemaker. That's just 148 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: one example. So you've got that ship. And then in 149 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and nineteen seventies you've got co intel 150 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: pro so like the series of covert FBI operations aimed 151 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations, anything 152 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: from the Communist Party to the Nation of Islam, like 153 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: they were getting into animal rights and environmental activist groups, 154 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: the civil rights movement, and the black power moves. This 155 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: was like all under the Jagger Hoover regime of the administration. 156 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: So after nineteen sixty three, after the March on Washington 157 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: for Jobs and Freedom, Hoover singled out Martin Luther King Jr. 158 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: Is a major target for cointel Pro. The FBI infamously 159 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: sent MLK a letter in nineteen sixty four that was 160 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: encouraging and to commit suicide. Beginning in nineteen sixty nine, 161 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: coin tel Pro started targeting leaders of the Black Panther 162 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: Party and having them assassinated or falsely charged for crimes 163 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: they didn't commit and in prison or even publicly humiliated 164 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: and blackmail. The overall effect of this was just like 165 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: a general environment of Hayden foremants, illegal surveillance operations aimed 166 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: at intimidating, and a lot of this was officially uncovered 167 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: years or even decades later. But make no mistake, some 168 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: of this was actual illegal activity on the party straight up. 169 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean they were engaged in research and study of 170 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: black culture, and they had files on music as theater, actors, magazines, 171 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: black independent bookstores, and it was all for the purpose 172 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: of infiltration. So yeah, so get this. In Night X, 173 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: FBI informant Darthurd Perry gave his account of the way 174 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: the FBI would study black culture musicians, comedians, actors to 175 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: better infiltrate black cultural organizations and revolutionary groups. During the 176 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, they study the profiles of celebrities who were 177 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: supportive organizations by like gathering intel on their psychological backgrounds, 178 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: their weaknesses, their strengths, their files and files on like 179 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: their sexual activity, and they use these weaknesses to get 180 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: further information out of them or disrupt their engagement with 181 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: political organizations. He for example, describes a sting involving Doc Holiday, 182 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: one of the leaders of the b GF or the 183 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: Black Gorilla Family, a Marxist Leninist narcotics prison gang, and 184 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: the California prison system. So they so they did this 185 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: sting where they planted a woman in his life who 186 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: became his lover to extract names, phone numbers, and other 187 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: information for him over several months when he was released. 188 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: But you know, it wasn't just like narcotics gang leaders 189 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: of Marxist Leninist persuasion. It was people like Sammy Davis Jr. 190 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: Perry was assigned to get close to Sammy Davis Jr. 191 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: And his staff and would videotape us whole office, including 192 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: numerous other celebrities that dropped in. Damn Niggas was snitching 193 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: way before Takashi. It was so much more at stake. 194 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Perry himself also infiltrated the Watts Writer's Workshop, which was 195 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: a creative writing group initiated in the wake of the 196 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: devastating August Watts riots in South central Los Angeles, and 197 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: admits on camera in this interview to burning the workshop 198 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: to the ground on behalf of the FBI. When asked 199 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: if he thought these activities were still ongoing and at 200 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: the time of the interview, Perry laughed and emphatically a 201 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: sense that things escalated the year after year during coental 202 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: pro and probably had escalated even further after you left 203 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: the agency. Yeah, there's well documented evidence that the FBI 204 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: has continued to monitor black musicians to this day. For example, 205 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: the FBI has a mask the twenty eight page surveillance 206 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: file and R and B poet Neil Scott Heron from 207 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: the nineties, seventies and eighties, which identifies his ties to 208 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: socialist group to All Africans People's Revolutionary Party as an 209 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: extremist matter. Now, as far as hip hop's concern, I mean, 210 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: at this point, FBI surveillance might as well be a 211 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: fucking element. I mean, they've surveiled, investigated, and extorted rappers 212 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: for years. We've got Tupac Easy notorious b I G. 213 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: We're all uncovered to have been under surveillance n way 214 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: around the time of the the Police song. They were 215 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: actually sent a warning letter from the FBI, and in 216 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: twenty eleven, the FBI's National Gang Threat Assessment classified Juggalos 217 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: as a gang. Now, the Juggalos are like the fan 218 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: base or the community that's surrounding the rap group. The 219 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: insane clown posse, which the insane clown posts is like this, 220 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: you should just you should you should just contact your 221 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: pharmacists and ask them if in saying clown policy is 222 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: right for you, and yeah, take the recommended Does this 223 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: all led like this led to people who had this 224 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: gang designation, like getting you know, constant job promotion. Well, 225 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean I can see it happening. I mean you 226 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: can't imagine it, like like I just know from circles 227 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: that I know, like people like clown on Jugglers to 228 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: begin with. Let alone, if you're trying to get hired 229 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: or like get into the military. So I can imagine 230 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: if somebody's trying to get a job or something and 231 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: someone who's like, you know, posting you at the gathering 232 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: of the Juggle or something that's like not cool. You 233 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, um, you know. Actually I 234 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: used to have some rap proteges. I had like an 235 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to open up for insane clown posse, and I 236 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: ended up sending my rap proteges to do it so 237 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: that I could do a different like festival thing. But 238 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: they covered those boys in fuego. The nixas was all sticky, 239 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: But I think they had fun though. So I mean, 240 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: here we go, like, we got mountains of evidence that 241 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: the government has surveilled haapotage and committed acts of violence 242 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: against revolutionaries and musicians in a systematic way for almost 243 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: one years. And then you have the fact that over 244 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: the last six years, six Ferguson activists have turned up dead. 245 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: A November fourteen, the morning after the grand jury declined 246 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: to indict Mike Brown's killer, twenty year old DeAndre Joshua, 247 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: close friend of Dorrian Johnson, who was with Michael Brown 248 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: on the day of Mike's death, was found dead, reportedly 249 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: inside a burned car after being shot in the head. 250 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: In September two thousand sixteen, twenty nine year old Darren Seals, 251 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: a prominent figure in the Ferguson protests, suffered a similar 252 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: death to Joshua. His body was found inside a burning 253 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: car after having been shot as well. Like what the 254 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: fuck is that? Then you got Shawn Gray, who was 255 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: three years old when he went missing the same that 256 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: Joshua died, and was later found it drowned in a river. 257 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: A medical examiner ruled the death and accidental drowning, with 258 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: alcohol poisoning as a major contributing factor, according to the 259 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: Louis St. Louis Post Dispatch. But then in two thousand eighteen, 260 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: in November bass and Mass three, a Palestinian American man 261 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: who live stream videos at the Perkusan protests, was found 262 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: overdose on fennyl on a bus. Edward Crawford Jr. Seven 263 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: was featured in the famous photograph from Ferguson throwing a 264 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: gas canister back at the police. Police determined that he 265 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: died by suicide. May two thousand seventeen. In October two 266 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, twenty four year old Danye Jones was found 267 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: dead in the yard of a St. Louis Holmes. It 268 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: was also ruled a suicide. Okay, so these don't quite 269 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: look in quack like ducks. I will give them that 270 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: people kill themselves people due too many drugs. I've been 271 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: really close to doing both many times in my life. 272 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: But like you know, and I'm not saying it was 273 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: the government. It could easily, you know, be white supremacist groups, 274 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: or it could just be two murders and four folks 275 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: who snapped under the tremendous pressure of doing this work 276 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: and either took their own lives or self medicated themselves 277 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: into an early grave. In either case, it's still white 278 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: supremacist violence against people of color. Harassing and humanizing someone 279 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: to the point they killed themselves in the yard is 280 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: still white supremacy at work. And who knows how many 281 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: countless people who weren't prominent figures in the movement also 282 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: took their lives in the aftermath of Ferguson feeling helpless 283 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: to stop what's happening in this country and surrendering. I mean, 284 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: and I think what this also tells us is that 285 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: this is war. If you you know, want to talk 286 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: about David mcgaddy shot by cops while leaning out the 287 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: door of his restaurant in Louisville couple weeks ago, maybe 288 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: just last week, or Sarah Grossman who died of an 289 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: asthma attack after being hit with tear gas or even 290 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: had they're higher, the protesters are struck and killed by 291 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: a white supremacist car and Charlotte's go in two thousand seventeen. 292 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: People are dying for this and they will continue to 293 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: die for this, in my belief, until we win. And 294 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: I think it's some of that people, particularly white people 295 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: who are new to this work, kind of have to 296 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: be prepared for when they are signing up for the 297 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: spite Do you think white people should be prepared to 298 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: die for this movement? I mean, I think everybody should 299 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: be prepared for violence. I mean, when you're trying to 300 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: jake up any system, you can expect violent reaction or 301 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: violent opposition to change all the time. I think that, Um, 302 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: we're in like an environment right now where I think 303 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the Trump stuff that 304 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't think people are paying attention to is like 305 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: if Trump looks into the camera and tells his supporters 306 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: to do some dumb ship, there's a lot of people 307 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: who would be willing to do some dumb ships. How 308 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: many people were calling medical hotlines to try to figure 309 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: out whether or not they should drink bleach, so yeah. So, 310 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: I mean and and even to this day, I mean, 311 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: like we were just talking about all this stuff with 312 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: the FBI surveillance. I mean, to this day, they're still 313 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: doing this disproportionate focus on left wing groups or left 314 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: wing activity with like a blind eye to right wing 315 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: extremists and ship. It's like, um, in two thousand and seventeen, 316 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: the FBI sent out a secret memo warning about the 317 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: rise of Black identity extremists. And this is like in 318 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: the this is the same year that this is the 319 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: same year as Charlottesville. I got money, you know what 320 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like weird that they have this 321 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: focus for Black Lives Matter or antifas like movements and organizations. 322 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: They haven't killed anybody, but then they turn a blind 323 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: eye to some of these right wing groups they got 324 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: like mad bodies on them. Well with like these the 325 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: Black Panthers had some shootouts, yeah, but I mean it 326 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of that in like retaliation though. I mean, 327 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: it's not like they started like, hey, we're coming out 328 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: the gate attacking the FBI or some ship like that. Yeah. None, right, 329 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, everybody's all up in arms about 330 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: State violence as they should be, particularly police violence. But 331 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: then there's all all this evidence about tracking and monitoring, disruption, 332 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: all these covert kinds of violence and control that because 333 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: we can't film it with our camera phones and we 334 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: can't watch watch it on the news, people are paying 335 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: attention to it. So people keep saying stuff like, oh, 336 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: be safe out there are your protests, but like there's 337 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: so many other levels to safety with regards to combating 338 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: state violence that like people aren't talking about stuff like 339 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: encrypting your text messages, like don't send sensitive things via 340 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: email or even text. Call people if you have, if 341 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: you're making plans, if you're doing direct action and organizing 342 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: around it. Um, because we don't fully grasp the scope 343 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: and scale of the surveillance operations that the FBI is 344 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: capable of, just use common sense and like act as 345 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: if the ship is not like a game we live 346 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: I mean, and we were living in. We're living in 347 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: like the overshare yea era where like everyone thinks it's 348 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: so cool to like bust out all their fucking secrets online. 349 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: It's like, yo, it's not cool. I mean, it's cool 350 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: to party. I was really moved by like Saturday, the 351 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: people dancing in the streets, and like they were like 352 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: doing line dances and swing dances and and like I 353 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: love that kind of spirit to these things, where like 354 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: we're reclaiming our streets joyously as well as in grieving. 355 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: But also don't treat it like a fucking party in 356 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: the sense of like opening yourself up to um, getting 357 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: your friends nabbed by the cops because you posted pictures 358 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: of their faces from the protest online, or your text 359 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: messages get intercepted in which you're discussing bringing cones to 360 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: the protests to help diffuse or neutralize tear gas canisters. 361 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: Like that kind of ship UM could get you popped. 362 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: So don't do it, or do it in an encrypted, 363 00:19:52,680 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: safe way, a safe way as possible. So it's like, 364 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: how do we handle it? What? What does all this 365 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: mean during this time? How do does taking precaution even matter? 366 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: Are we just defenseless against the state? Yeah, until there's 367 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: until there's until there's like a fundamental change from within. 368 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that at any point yet there's been 369 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: an elected official or somebody who has worked their way 370 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: up the ranks of the system who is in the 371 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: mind frame of you know, let's take power away from 372 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: the state. So until that happens, I think the states 373 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: just like too powerful for it to change, because you know, 374 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: people are trying to get it to the way we've 375 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: been going about it. People have been protesting for years. 376 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: It's ultimately going to have to like have to be 377 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: the effort from within. Yeah, I've been telling people lately 378 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: we cannot take away their guns with our hands. That 379 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: these last two weeks, I've shown us that, well, we 380 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: can take away their guns with our laws. We can 381 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: take away their power with their laws. We can let 382 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: slate all of their ammunition away, we can shrink them 383 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: like I you know, people want to talk about a revolution, 384 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: and that's all cool and fine. I draw a lot 385 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: of strength from revolutionary movements of old, but like, we're 386 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: not going to overthrow the government. No. Like if they're 387 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: if you know, like if they're reading all our text 388 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: messages and they're infiltrating our cultural groups in burning them 389 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: to the ground, and I feel like in all this, 390 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: you know, understanding this history, it underscores the importance of 391 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: protecting the identities of people. At these protests, everybody wants 392 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: to live stream and take their little selfie with their 393 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: cute little like hashtaggable sign. But you have to protect 394 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: the I didn't they say the people this protest because 395 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: people are going missing, people are dying, They are watching us. 396 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: I mean, they've got secret police out there in the streets, 397 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: blur the faces of people in your videos. If you're 398 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: live streaming live stream from the shoulders down, I you know, 399 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't be at the protest here on Saturday because 400 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: I have fucking coronavirus. But you know, I was able 401 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: to follow along with a live streamer who was just 402 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: showing people's feet, and that was enough for me to 403 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: hear the music being played over the speakers and see 404 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: that people were dancing, and that gave me so much hope, 405 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: even from being stuck at home. You know, if you're 406 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: out there, cover up identifying tattoos with bandages before you 407 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: go out, and add you to covering your face, wearing 408 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: swim goggles protect you from tear gas, and it also 409 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: helped conceal your identity to protect you from targeting and 410 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: harassment from state and identitarian hate groups. So how does 411 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: it feel to not trust the state when you're part 412 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: of the state. It's really complicated because I want to 413 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: give people hope that change is possible electorally given all 414 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: that we have described, like we were not going to 415 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: take their power away, um with by force. Um. So, 416 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: like I really truly want to get as many people 417 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: engaged in govern incident democracy as possible and like do 418 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: this kind of of X education where people understand how 419 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: that works enough to participate. Um. But like I've seen 420 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: first hand the way that like what the policy makers 421 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: do is such a limited part of the actual process. 422 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: You have all the other people behind the scenes who 423 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: are running all of the departments that are building all 424 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: the roads and uh driving all the buses and uh 425 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: laying all the sewer pipes that like, you know, we 426 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: might be anti racist and if you're me, anti capitalists, 427 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: but like these ideologies are so deeply ingrained and embedded 428 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: in like the workings of of keeping a city running 429 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: in itself. Um. And so I feel like it's a 430 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: really weird tight rope to walk where like I have 431 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: to work with these people and it's really important to 432 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: have like a sense of mutual respect and an understanding 433 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: of where they're coming from in order for us to 434 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: find moments of coalition. Is that hard to do? To 435 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: see where they're coming from. No, I feel like I'm 436 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: a good listener, like even if I have to kind 437 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: of fake it at first, but like just openly listening 438 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: like helps facilitate that dialogue. Um. So like I come 439 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: from like government workers, so that sometimes helps me be 440 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: a bit more. None of your people were elected, right, No, no, No, 441 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: except for your cousin into Montana. But so all your people, 442 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: everybody in your family is just taking orders from someone 443 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: that also probably wasn't elected. And so it's those parts 444 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: of government where it's like we can rabble arouse all 445 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: day and pass policy all day, but like there's so 446 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: many invisible gears churning in the government that people don't 447 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: even think about. It's like sometimes in our heads we 448 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: can kind of attached a sort of boogeyman figure to it, 449 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: but it's I worked for the federal government for like 450 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: a short period of time, and it's it's really like 451 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: a lot of people sitting at desks like clocking in, 452 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: and one of those people who are sitting at deaths 453 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: and weren't elected. Um, like what do they believe? We 454 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: don't know, We don't interr but they're all just doing orders. 455 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: It's the same sort of dynamic as when we're talking 456 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: about the cops. It's a job, you know, Like a 457 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: lot of these things are just jobs to the people 458 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: that do them. That's not necessarily an excuse for anything. 459 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: I can sometimes understand where they're coming from because I 460 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: know it's just other human beings that make it up. 461 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: It's not like some some supernatural force that we're as people, 462 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: And it underscores importance to me of like people who 463 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: don't know what their role in all this is. We 464 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: need people who work in the planning department in your 465 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: local in your local city government, or who work in 466 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: the human resources department, or who work in the transportation 467 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: department or the public utilities office to like help undo 468 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: white supremacy as it manifests there as well. Because I can't. 469 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: I can't. I'm gonna elected official, but I can't be 470 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: paying attention to all that. I can try my best, 471 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: But folks on the ground who are working on pushing 472 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: paper in those offices, we need people to do that 473 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: work in an anti racist way too, if possible. So 474 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, if you're like, well, I don't know 475 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: what my point isn't what my part is, and all 476 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: this I'm not out here marked in the streets. I 477 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: don't really like tweeting, Like I don't know what to do, Like, well, 478 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: do you work an office job? Can you do it 479 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: in an entire racist way? What does that look like 480 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: for you? Um? And infiltrating the government in like a 481 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: less romantic sense regarding like all the other machinery of 482 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: it that turns along without any sort of oversight from 483 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: direct you know, like electoralism that changed from within, Like 484 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: I was saying, Yeah, so let's um talk a little 485 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: bit about RAPS relationship with the FBI. So do you 486 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: think we're paranoid because of this history or is it 487 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: more about drug dealing and gang activity. I think it's 488 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: kind of like a combination of both, but mainly legacy 489 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 1: because a lot of this stuff carried on over you know, 490 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, the same way that certain civil rights its 491 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: error groups kind of morphed into the gangs, the street gangs. 492 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: It's kind of like that same sort of thing. So 493 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: like the state suspicion you know that was already looking 494 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: into like the cultural aspects of black people. Yeah, like 495 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: the Black Panthers gradually dissipated and then like just regular 496 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: rask gangs kind of replaced them in terms of the 497 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: way communities were organized, you know, things like that. I 498 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: do think that it definitely maybe it's like psychological I 499 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: believe I believe in generational trauma. I think Black people 500 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: just trust to the state generally. You know, it's concretized 501 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 1: in our history of being targeted by entities like the FBI. 502 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: It's something that lives in us physically and psychologically. And 503 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: so a rapper might not point back to nat King 504 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: cole beings are built by the FBI and say that's 505 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: why I don't trust the FEDS. But like, not trusting 506 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: the Feds, it's just in our blood as a people. Yeah, 507 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: I can funk with that, and I think it definitely 508 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: contributes to a broader sense of paranoia that's in hip hop, 509 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: of like constantly thinking that you're being underminded, or that 510 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: you've got haters or somebody's watching you. Motherfucker's is out 511 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: to get you or backstab you, and you can't trust anybody. 512 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: That's like a common theme in hip hop. You want 513 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: to look at some musical examples of how rappers have 514 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: dealt with this relationship to the FBI and this history 515 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: and their music yeah, sure, So do we get up first? Yeah. 516 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: So our first example is from the Dayton Family, which 517 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: is the nineties rap group from Flint, Michigan. UM. There 518 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: are music largely focused on the you know, the grittiness 519 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: of survival, and the song is FBI. It's after a 520 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: second album in nineteen sixty nine. If the song is 521 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: called FBI, it's off their second album entitled FBI, which 522 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 1: is you know, stood for fun being indicted, where they 523 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: describe paranoia about being hunted down by the cops of 524 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: the FBI. Stop. Yes, dirty cops, clean you took the 525 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: father from the family, you know what. Literally, I'm gonna 526 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: be honest with you. I did not know about these 527 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: cats before. Yeah, no, I never. I didn't hear about this. Thanks. 528 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: It's pretty hard, but I have wrapped over that beat 529 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: mad times that like ciphers, are like hip hop functions. 530 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think it's I think it's obscure 531 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: to us, but I think I think heads know about that. 532 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: It was funny. I was looking in their Wikipedia page 533 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: actually has them under gangster rap in horrorcore. That's funny. 534 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: So up next, we got public Enemy Louder than a Bomb. 535 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: Now I'm assuming everybody knows whose public enemy is the 536 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: famed Wrap group from the eighties and nineties fronted by 537 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: Chuck d and Flavor Flavor. Now. In this they talk 538 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: about wire tappings and assassinations of MLK and Malcolm X. 539 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: I'll Never Live Alone. Yeah. And then we have dead 540 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: Press Pop Propaganda. Dead Press as a hip hop duo 541 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: out of New York. The song Propagandas off their two 542 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: thousand album Let's Get Free for It makes reference to 543 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: Council Prope specific the death of Puee Newton when he 544 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: talks when he says, who brought the churches to the 545 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: ground with no evidence found? It's not coincidence. Too many 546 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: steady incidents. It would have been a plan. Put that 547 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: bomb at the eleftly spot. It probably was the dusty 548 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: m hm, I love that song. Then we got Kendrick 549 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: Lamar with Mortal Man and uh, he's got the line 550 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: where he's like, if I'm tried in the court of 551 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: law in the industry, cut me off cocaine, would you 552 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: judge me a truck kid? See? What was this one 553 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: off of Butterfly? How many leaders you needed? And then 554 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: you left him for dead? Is that Moses is that 555 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: Huee Newton or Detroit Red, Detroit Red being a reference 556 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: to Malcolm X who went by the name Detroit Red, 557 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: but he had he dyed his hair red and like 558 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: like straightened it would lie back in his pimp days. 559 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: And then up next we got phone Tapped by the Firm. 560 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: Now a lot of people don't remember the Firm, but 561 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: the Firm was like a short lived supergroup back in 562 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: the day, consisting of as Nas and Foxy Brown, and 563 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: I do think Dr Dre was doing some of the 564 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: beats for them. But the song phone Tap was really 565 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: dope checking out the Dynasty. What made this song really 566 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: clever to me is like the entire song is like 567 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: a conversation between people knowing that they're tapped by the Feds, 568 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: like on the other end of the line. And then 569 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: it's got Dr Dre doing the hook as one like 570 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: the Feds like, we got your phone tap, what you're 571 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: gonna do? So later we got your whole crew? Now 572 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: we really need is what wrote two? Got you all 573 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: stuck like glue and y'all through. And for this last one, 574 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of an honorable mentioned in a way, but 575 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: it was the first song that came to my mind, 576 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: and we thought of this episode. It's an old Masterpiece song. 577 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: I used to be a huge O Limit fan back 578 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: in the day, but it was a master p and 579 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: Soaked the Shaker song called Somebody's Watching Me. It was 580 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: a It was a cover of the old eighties joint 581 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: I always feel like somebody I'm never don't I'm in 582 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: the dump, Jake. I think you think it's nothing, Jimmy May. 583 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: They kind of did their own playoff of it, but 584 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: made it about the feeds tapping your phone and watching 585 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: you and ship. So at the end of the day, 586 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like hip hop has revolutionary roots, 587 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: as we're probably going to discuss in future episodes like that, 588 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: it just all kind of comes full circle, you know. 589 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: So I think that's this episode. That's it for today. 590 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: I feel like wrapping, of course, but let me just 591 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: do a little shameless plug real quick. I got an 592 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: ep that I dropped last week, so go check it out. 593 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: I want to say the name of it, but I 594 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: don't know if there's like an ethics dispute with that, 595 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: so let me find that out first. But let's get 596 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: that be popping. Let's hit it. We're waiting on our reparations. Hey, 597 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: we're waiting our reparations. Hey, sometimes it feels like I'm 598 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: always being watched by the fans, by the white supremacists, 599 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: and the cops got my personal security people watching my 600 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: house to cut My message is encrypted, as if they 601 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: could even stop them from listening to the topics. I'm 602 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: whispering in the darkness. I'm showing up but their partners 603 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: and executing it us in the paranoias, cousin Sarah destroying 604 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: the confidence, filling byers to prepare my lawyers with the documents. 605 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: I went and cut the fuck Rona went on a 606 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: little walk to help man is my bipolar can't even 607 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: take a stroll of a hike without a toll on 608 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: the right, patrol on the bikes looking over my shoulder. Hey, 609 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: you know they got a monopoly, so they dropped the economy. 610 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: But no one's really bothering because we wobble de wobble. 611 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: You see. Now, that's what the problem, being surprised philosophy, 612 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: So you know they're probably the prophecies with the prophets 613 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: being Now I'm feeling kind of mad, so I'll make 614 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: fish feeling like a rat and amaze for kicks. I 615 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: don't really know just what to make of it. Fucks 616 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: the throat shots, I make a miss. I'm in the 617 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: cipher without talking to Agent Smith, up in my backyard, 618 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: grilling on some charcoal, looking at the cam trail, puffing 619 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: onto Marlboro. This is how they do it. When they 620 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: move in, it'll start slow on your neck. I'm getting 621 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: pretty soon will be a bar code as mad documents. 622 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: They never should have burned, So we just wait until 623 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: an episode occurs and the rates getting raised by the 624 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: federal were reserved. A bunch of other ship niggas never 625 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: would have heard. Y'ALLNA listen. He be safe out there. Everybody. 626 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: Get tested for coronavirus and make sure your social distance 627 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: while you're fighting the power. Waiting on Reparations as a 628 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio. 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