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Speaker 1: let's talk about Let's go to the news previously on
Speaker 1: should we play the trailer first or should we just
Speaker 1: talk about it first?
Speaker 2: Let's just play it first? Play? Okay, let's play.
Speaker 1: Can we play the latest trailer of Disney Plus's Moonnight series?
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna watch it as we play it? Thanks Chris,
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Sounds dramatic. The fun of Moonnight is getting introduced to
Speaker 2: a new superhero in a new.
Speaker 1: World, a real legitimate character study. I can't tell the
Speaker 1: difference between My Way, Two Knives and Dreams. Moon Night
Speaker 1: is a spectacular character, has got an incredibly unique visual look.
Speaker 1: Our job was to kind of put a lens on
Speaker 1: the things that had the most dramatic juice and ultimately
Speaker 1: take the mental health aspect incredibly seriously.
Speaker 2: I am Stephen the way you. We're tackling the story.
Speaker 2: We learn about Stephen and then learn about Mark. What's
Speaker 2: wrong with you?
Speaker 3: Mark?
Speaker 2: Why did you call me?
Speaker 1: Mak?
Speaker 2: And they're the same person.
Speaker 1: Ethan Hawk, one of the elite hat guys. Yeah, always
Speaker 1: always has a brilliant hat of our times. So Disney
Speaker 1: recently shared a press release for this series, mod Night,
Speaker 1: in which they stress that they're going to make sure
Speaker 1: to accurately and responsibly depict dissociative identity disorder, which we've
Speaker 1: been saying is important, that's important to do.
Speaker 2: It's really important to do.
Speaker 3: I'm very interested that they are sticking with the use
Speaker 3: of this terminology. I have had some very interesting conversations
Speaker 3: with people who have the ID, and it is a
Speaker 3: very specific mental health syndrome that is very much based
Speaker 3: in your childhood and the.
Speaker 1: Trauma generated by trauma.
Speaker 3: Generated by traumatic childhood. So I will be interested to
Speaker 3: see the route they go. I am glad that they.
Speaker 1: Want to treat it respectfully, and they have explored it
Speaker 1: recently in the comics as like explore the events that
Speaker 1: created Yeah, Mark's d id he witnessed something terrible and
Speaker 1: this caused his consciousness to be traumatized and this is
Speaker 1: the result of this. How this interacts with the supernatural
Speaker 1: aspects I think will be that's really the key, will
Speaker 1: be absolutely really important. And also so this is also
Speaker 1: they've they keep saying this is a standalone series, which
Speaker 1: I think translates to we don't have Oscar Isaac's Lockdown
Speaker 1: for like numerous movies, So it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: how this interacts with the rest of MCU's stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the terminology of standalone is very loaded
Speaker 3: slash meaningless in the MCU.
Speaker 2: It could mean that they don't have a good contract,
Speaker 2: it could mean that they're not sure how it's going
Speaker 2: to be received.
Speaker 3: But I kind of like it in the terms of
Speaker 3: the mental health aspect, because if they really want to
Speaker 3: commit to exploring that in a meaningful way that brings
Speaker 3: a kind of representation we haven't seen before, then they
Speaker 3: don't need to worry about deeply connecting it to the
Speaker 3: rest of it. But I also think this is We've
Speaker 3: talked about this a little bit, but definitely seems like
Speaker 3: an inroad for Marvel.
Speaker 1: Yes. So, moon Night's first appearance was in the seventies
Speaker 1: series Werewolf by Night, starring the incredibly named Jack Russell,
Speaker 1: who was was a werewolf the Werewolf by Night as
Speaker 1: they say, and Moonnight, in his first in in that
Speaker 1: air condition, was just like a mercenary who was kind
Speaker 1: of like boondoggled into fighting the Werewolf by Night, was
Speaker 1: given a costume by some mysterious, shadowy rich guys who
Speaker 1: were like, hey, put on this costume, go fight this werewolf.
Speaker 1: And then that turned out to be that was later
Speaker 1: retconned into a part of Mark Spector's backstory, which also
Speaker 1: included him, you know, being contacted by Conshu during his
Speaker 1: time as a mercenary in the Sudan committing various ethnic cleansings.
Speaker 1: Hard he didn't want to do, but he's good. But
Speaker 1: he also was like taking part of.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we've kind of talked about this a lot,
Speaker 3: but the comics are varied at best in quality and taste,
Speaker 3: so this is a very interesting. This is definitely I
Speaker 3: think to look to Embarku in Black Panther and the
Speaker 3: way that they reimagined that character and brought so much
Speaker 3: incredible theft and humor and complexity, much.
Speaker 2: Of that thanks to Winston Juke.
Speaker 3: I think that is really the basis of what they're
Speaker 3: going to need to do with this character to avoid
Speaker 3: a lot of that the problematic stuff. And also as well,
Speaker 3: like I just want to say, the creator of Well
Speaker 3: by Night has often said that they did not know
Speaker 3: Jack Russell was a dog breed and it was.
Speaker 2: Just a confidency, yes, yes, the.
Speaker 1: Thing that like, there's also there's also the you know,
Speaker 1: the creator of Monight has also said, like, oh, the
Speaker 1: Batman parallels, that was like we didn't you know, like yes,
Speaker 1: he uses like boomerangs. Similarly, is like a weird rich
Speaker 1: guy who dresses it, you know, like in a very
Speaker 1: specific costume. It's but it's it's not. And then he
Speaker 1: fights criminals punches them in the face, but that's It's like,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 2: I know, well, I've been thinking about this very famous.
Speaker 3: Star, I know, and yeah, and that kind of the
Speaker 3: Werewolf by Night thing is particularly resonant right now because
Speaker 3: we know that the Halloween special, which is allegedly gonna
Speaker 3: start Gail Garcie Ebanow as a werewolf that is apparently
Speaker 3: in the working title of Werewolf by Night, but that
Speaker 3: will likely be changed by the time it hits screens,
Speaker 3: going to be directed by Michael Giacchino, who just did
Speaker 3: the incredible score for The Batman, so that it is
Speaker 3: very likely that whatever happens in Moonnight Here will be
Speaker 3: continued in this Marvel Halloween special that will kind of
Speaker 3: establish more of the horror that has kind of been
Speaker 3: introduced basically since the end of Eternal's My favorite movie,
Speaker 3: everyone Else's worst movie.
Speaker 1: That support I would go out. I'll say that I
Speaker 1: don't actually think the MC has ever made a truly
Speaker 1: bad movie.
Speaker 3: I know, I love the like good yeah, and well
Speaker 3: the end of that movie spoiler alert, a certain character
Speaker 3: Kit Harrington play by Kit Harrington.
Speaker 2: His name is Dame Whitman.
Speaker 3: In the comics, he's known as the back Night. He
Speaker 3: finds a magical sword that's evil and will turn anyone
Speaker 3: into a killer. Very artifact heavy, which we'll get into
Speaker 3: the importance of artifacts in our next trailer. And at
Speaker 3: the end, Blade mhashell Ali is there and he says,
Speaker 3: you know you're not ready for that, and I think
Speaker 3: that Moonnight will connect to that. We see him and
Speaker 3: he's in the British Museum slash National Gallery. The Dame
Speaker 3: Whitman character works in another museum in London and where
Speaker 3: Off by Night will likely continue this kind of Midnight
Speaker 3: Sun's Marvel Night's Horror team up expansion.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Miss Marvel the Miss Marvel trailer. Get
Speaker 1: a little bit more up Lovely Q the next trailer,
Speaker 1: Please Thank You take choice to have The Weekend is
Speaker 1: the soundtrack. It's very cocaine heavy. Artist for a story
Speaker 1: about it. It was like that coming of age.
Speaker 3: I was like, totally, it fits very well, but the
Speaker 3: connotations are strange.
Speaker 1: This is a wonderful trailer.
Speaker 2: It's so lovely.
Speaker 4: Okay, So first off, I just want to say I
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 2: You get what? High school? Kamala Tamala another adventure shirt? Cute?
Speaker 2: She thinks I'm some kind of weird how you were weird? Boys?
Speaker 2: Excuse me? Yeah, you're kind of on my shirt.
Speaker 4: Sorry, but you're staring at the window in your little
Speaker 4: fantasy land.
Speaker 1: Kamala, Hey, already really like you.
Speaker 5: I have to figure out my whole future before launchers.
Speaker 2: Does something happen here?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Why did you hear something?
Speaker 1: What does it feel like?
Speaker 2: Cosmic?
Speaker 3: I always thought I wanted this kind of life, but I.
Speaker 2: Never imagined any of this. Do you even know what
Speaker 2: you are?
Speaker 1: I have a super heir out okay so much? I
Speaker 1: love her too. Iman villani as the title character Miss Marvel,
Speaker 1: created by Bishop kelis written for sex education really really
Speaker 1: funny British sitcom Loki Four Weddings and a Funeral. Okay,
Speaker 1: So in the comics, Miss Marvel it gets her powers
Speaker 1: because of the explosion of a terrogen bomb which contained
Speaker 1: the Tarrigan Mist, which is in humans' powers are unleashed. Yes,
Speaker 1: in that particular alien race. She is putting some bracelets
Speaker 1: on which we think are the quantum bands.
Speaker 2: Slash Nega band slash.
Speaker 1: Nega bands, probably some sort of amalgamation of the two,
Speaker 1: which is a pree artifact.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that something that's really telling in listening to
Speaker 3: this trailer along with you guys that you luckily got
Speaker 3: to watch, is when somebody asked her how it feels,
Speaker 3: she says, cosmic, right, and the quantum bands are a
Speaker 3: cosmic artifact that Eon, this kind of ancient space creature
Speaker 3: in his daughter Epoch, would bestow among people that they
Speaker 3: felt worthy to protect the universe. And in the quantum
Speaker 3: band form, they take energy and manifest energy from the
Speaker 3: quantum zone, which in the MCU exists as the quantum realm,
Speaker 3: which we've seen in ant Man and the Wasp and
Speaker 3: will likely play into the you know easily to remember
Speaker 3: name a Man Quantumnia, quantum, quantum, quantum. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: think that is very much what we're seeing here, and
Speaker 3: it allows her to manipulate matter, it seems so she
Speaker 3: still has. If you've read those comics, you probably recognize
Speaker 3: at the end the brilliant Jamie McKelvey cover from issue five,
Speaker 3: where she's sitting.
Speaker 2: On the lamp with the embiggend. And you see that
Speaker 2: in big in Hand.
Speaker 3: That's her big thing in bigg And from Simpson's you know,
Speaker 3: the famous Jedediah Springfield episode, and that's what she says.
Speaker 2: She says, embiggan and her hand gets really big.
Speaker 3: And and so they had to bring that aspect in
Speaker 3: in a different way that isn't too close to read
Speaker 3: Richard's from the Fantastic Four. Mister Fantastic, he's got those
Speaker 3: elastic kind of powers in the comics.
Speaker 2: Her powers are very similar.
Speaker 3: And so I think this is their way of doing
Speaker 3: something that's a little bit different, a little bit more unique,
Speaker 3: and a little bit more like comars.
Speaker 1: So theory about where these bands come from. We saw
Speaker 1: in you were talking in the green room about how
Speaker 1: the ten Rings. It was like this ancient artifact turned out.
Speaker 1: It was like alien shit. But and I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be similar here, maybe from the time from
Speaker 1: maybe I think this is I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be a similar thing here where it's like a Richard
Speaker 1: Ryder type figure escapes the destruction of a planet something
Speaker 1: like that. Right, it contains the power and wisdom of
Speaker 1: this alien society, and somehow it was just like they
Speaker 1: thought they were like cool bracelets or something. And it's
Speaker 1: been in her family or it's been like kept by
Speaker 1: some people because they thought they were just cool and
Speaker 1: and she discovers them.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So something that we talk about a lot
Speaker 3: on just in general as friends and on the show
Speaker 3: is Marvel and DC like love to rip each other.
Speaker 2: Off, get one over it, whichever.
Speaker 1: They never stopped doing it.
Speaker 3: Sanos is obviously the biggest example, but it's off from
Speaker 3: Dark Side by the Moonlight Batman, you know, and and
Speaker 3: Marvel did something incredibly small and savvy and lose sing.
Speaker 3: They lost most of their characters because of licensing deals,
Speaker 3: and they made Dan their cinematic bad guy before Dark Side,
Speaker 3: So by the time Dark Side showed up in DC,
Speaker 3: it looked derivative, right, So there is a big chance
Speaker 3: that they're essentially going to Green Lantern. Kamala Kahan here
Speaker 3: and in Green Lantern, you're chosen by the alien hal
Speaker 3: Jordan's chosen because he's worthy.
Speaker 1: Famously and begins his hands hand.
Speaker 3: He's making a hand, He's making a hammer. He has
Speaker 3: the power of full imagination. But it's always just the
Speaker 3: giant hats every time.
Speaker 2: Like, so I think that there's I think you're right.
Speaker 3: I think this is going to be something where Kamala
Speaker 3: is worthy to have the band. It's she could be
Speaker 3: chosen herself, or something that I think could be really nice.
Speaker 3: We see in this trailer of her sort of looking
Speaker 3: she's either hiding them in a box or finding them
Speaker 3: in a box in her attic. And a lot of
Speaker 3: the comic, which was created by Sana Armat Stephen Whacka,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: The brilliant g Wilow Wilson.
Speaker 3: Adrian Lfono was the first series artist, and Jamie McKelvey
Speaker 3: designed that costume, so like, it's a really incredible stuff.
Speaker 3: And in those comics, a lot of the conflict comes
Speaker 3: from Kamala and the legacy of being a superhero and
Speaker 3: the legacy of being a Muslim teenager. And I would
Speaker 3: love to see this kind of maybe these bands have
Speaker 3: been in her family, maybe her grandma was someone that
Speaker 3: the alien trusted to have them, but she didn't know
Speaker 3: what they were, or she she wasn't interested.
Speaker 2: In pursuing that.
Speaker 3: I think there's a really interesting potential of building a
Speaker 3: legacy in because they made they designed these bracelets to
Speaker 3: match Kamala's costume, which is a kind of like very
Speaker 3: Muslim inspired outfit, and I think there's something really interesting
Speaker 3: that we could see with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I think that you're right in
Speaker 1: that she will be chosen by whatever is in the bands. Like,
Speaker 1: clearly they weren't just thinking other people must have worn these,
Speaker 1: so why didn't they access the powers? Okay, so this
Speaker 1: is there are scenes in this trailer of you know,
Speaker 1: black SUVs pulling up and what we you would imagine
Speaker 1: or some sort of like government agency that is, we
Speaker 1: saw Damage Control hunting hunting for these weapons. Are they
Speaker 1: damage Controller? There's someone else? And then we see appearing
Speaker 1: through the myst these here. It's very cheeky. So, uh,
Speaker 1: recall the comics version Kamalakon. It's unleashed, her powers are
Speaker 1: unleased by the deterriged myst Here we have these four
Speaker 1: figures appearing out of a mist. Are they in humans
Speaker 1: or someone else? I think that there's going to be
Speaker 1: two groups chasing mis con It's going to be some
Speaker 1: governmental group, be it Damage Control or someone else. Now
Speaker 1: this is again this is how this is cheating. But
Speaker 1: I looked at the IMDb and there's an act of
Speaker 1: plastic This is cheating, and we don't usually do this,
Speaker 1: but so there's a character who is called a Nice
Speaker 1: Agent ni Ce. Now recent Disney plus strat has been
Speaker 1: to take like a minor minor minor minor like sub
Speaker 1: henchmen of a minor villain and kind of blow them
Speaker 1: up a little bit. So there is a character named
Speaker 1: mister Nice who is like a henchman of arcade who
Speaker 1: is famously an X Men villainy. So theory, mister Nice
Speaker 1: or Nice is a group that is like damage control
Speaker 1: is out here trying to find powered up stuff, mystical stuff,
Speaker 1: ancient artifacts that contain who knows what, and is trying
Speaker 1: to cobble those together for the purposes of evil shit.
Speaker 1: And then later we will discover that the director of
Speaker 1: Nice is this arcade figure.
Speaker 3: I think you are onto something here, because so one
Speaker 3: of the things that the Miss Marvel comic did really well,
Speaker 3: and a lot of comics at this time, which was
Speaker 3: the novel Now imprint, they did this really ground level storytelling,
Speaker 3: brought to life kind of real issues. So there's a
Speaker 3: great Miss Marvel arc about gentrification, but really the gentrification
Speaker 3: is being done by Hydra.
Speaker 2: And it's this kind of evil scheme.
Speaker 1: Right after Strange had the same issue, but it was
Speaker 1: like demons that were trying to buy his uh buy
Speaker 1: the Sanctum and turned it into like I.
Speaker 3: Think, I think it would be one of those really
Speaker 3: beautiful ones, like the It's like our giant, old, beautiful building.
Speaker 3: But I think that the Nice Agents, if that.
Speaker 2: Is a thing, it would be a really good if.
Speaker 2: If if that would be a really good play.
Speaker 3: On a current issue that America is having with ice
Speaker 3: and taking ice. And in the comics Arcade in certain
Speaker 3: stuff like the Might Carry Age of X I love
Speaker 3: Mike Kerry is one of my favorite writers. In that
Speaker 3: arcade runs a mutant prison where he's putting people with
Speaker 3: who are mutants, and in that it's very extreme. It's
Speaker 3: a dystopian world where Charles never existed, Charles Xavier psyclopists
Speaker 3: killing people with the laser eyes like it's it they
Speaker 3: maken kill his brother. It's very But a more grounded
Speaker 3: version of that that would fit into your theory would
Speaker 3: be if the Nice Agents were establishing something that we
Speaker 3: know that MCU has to have going into the future,
Speaker 3: if they want to introduce the X Men, which is
Speaker 3: if the Nice Agents are trying to capture and stop
Speaker 3: people who have powers. Then we can start building to
Speaker 3: that idea that people with powers are oppressed, people with
Speaker 3: powers are in danger, and that's when you have the
Speaker 3: rise of Charles of Xavier or the rise of someone
Speaker 3: like Magneto. So I think the nice Agents is a
Speaker 3: very good theory. And also I think there's a chance
Speaker 3: that there's some kind of alien. There's going to be
Speaker 3: some kind of aliens who want the bands back.
Speaker 1: Right now, I think for our four figures who appear
Speaker 1: out of the mist, I think that that is our
Speaker 1: whether they're Cree or someone else, I think those are
Speaker 1: our four aliens who are like, oh, the bands are
Speaker 1: activated exactly, we GPS located it to Jericity. Let's go
Speaker 1: get them back. And I think those are going to
Speaker 1: be the people who, you know, teach miss Kahn about
Speaker 1: the lineage of these bands and help her find her
Speaker 1: place as a hero in this in this firmament. And
Speaker 1: so are they Cree? Are they?
Speaker 2: They are they allies? Are they enemies? Like?
Speaker 3: Also, I think something we kind of haven't really impressed
Speaker 3: upon enough is like if these are quantum bands or
Speaker 3: Egga bands and are directly connected to the cree. It's
Speaker 3: really nice because in the comics and in the show,
Speaker 3: as you can see, like Kamala's biggest hero is Carol Danvers,
Speaker 3: who is cree.
Speaker 2: So it adds a really nice.
Speaker 3: Layer and connection to the kind of hero who made
Speaker 3: her want to be a hero.
Speaker 1: What are the chances that they that this is how
Speaker 1: they introduce in humans, like, not the ABC version of
Speaker 1: the Humans, this is the MCU in Humans with good wigs.
Speaker 2: I would be in the whigs. Don't don't give me
Speaker 2: the trauma.
Speaker 3: They made a show budget, They made show with majuicas
Speaker 3: Prehensi hair, and they shaved their hair first.
Speaker 1: I understand that this space is changing quickly and that
Speaker 1: the budgets are not like the budget numbers. It's not
Speaker 1: like what people are used to. But you just have
Speaker 1: to spend a lot of money on ways if you want.
Speaker 2: To, but you have to do.
Speaker 3: I think I would have been of the mind for
Speaker 3: a long time that we wouldn't see an inhuman. I
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to make Kmala an inhuman. I
Speaker 3: think that's out of the pitch. I think we have
Speaker 3: seen that Kevin Feigee is not afraid of taking things
Speaker 3: that have been in those ABC shows The Dark Cold,
Speaker 3: you know, and reintroducing them in a way that is
Speaker 3: kind of to the MCU that kind of says this
Speaker 3: could be the same thing, but also might not, right,
Speaker 3: and I think that is quite likely with a version
Speaker 3: of the Inhumans.
Speaker 1: So with if if are Nice Agent is related to
Speaker 1: Arcade here again we're seeing the kind of sprinkling of
Speaker 1: like X Men stuff into this universe, which raises a
Speaker 1: question like how do the X Men appear? Which and
Speaker 1: then you had a really isn't.
Speaker 2: That the biggest question?
Speaker 1: That is the huge question like is it going to be?
Speaker 1: And question basically breaks down to two sub questions, which
Speaker 1: is is it going to be all at once, like
Speaker 1: quickly we're going to see them soon they're just gonna
Speaker 1: like pop in or are they gonna lay a ground
Speaker 1: work where you understand about muting oppression, We understand about
Speaker 1: like you know, Weapon X, they retcon the Super Social
Speaker 1: Program and to being some sort of offshoot of Weapon X,
Speaker 1: and actually like people have been experimented on brutally, not
Speaker 1: just Isaiah Bradley for a long time. Logan is somewhere
Speaker 1: like in a subject in Canada being like right now
Speaker 1: being being even the.
Speaker 3: Logan canon of the movie just titled Logan where they
Speaker 3: have the kids in the Weapon X program.
Speaker 2: That feels very empty.
Speaker 3: Youish that feels like it could really be more existing.
Speaker 1: Do they do the Wanda mashing up of the world.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if I have seen recently a theory online.
Speaker 2: I cannot take credit. It's too good.
Speaker 3: I'm sad I can't take credit because I love a
Speaker 3: wild theory.
Speaker 2: I've seen a theory online. It claims that.
Speaker 3: The MCU as we know it is actually just a
Speaker 3: house of m style projection that wanted to create it
Speaker 3: to make a world without mutants. So once that shatters,
Speaker 3: you would just have mutants existing in the world. That's
Speaker 3: very cool. It would absolutely shake up the MCU. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if Kevin Faggy's ready to do that.
Speaker 1: Is Kevin Faggy ready to say all of this didn't matter,
Speaker 1: but it isn't real. But here's the thing. Hasn't the
Speaker 1: TVA already established that it's not real? Right? Exactly like
Speaker 1: the introduction of the TVA already kind of said all
Speaker 1: of this has happened before. We've been doing this endgame
Speaker 1: the time heist, all that stuff has happened multiple times.
Speaker 1: It's just happening in cycles in a very controlled way,
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 2: All of it kind of didn't exist.
Speaker 1: Sort of exists or matter.
Speaker 3: I think the most telling thing is like, so No
Speaker 3: Way Home was kind of this unbelievable cultural phenomenon where
Speaker 3: they somehow managed to recreate the anticipation and energy of
Speaker 3: Endgame just a few years later without ten years leading right.
Speaker 3: I think that the fact that they're already trying to
Speaker 3: replicate that with Doctor Strange. Oh look it's Patrick Stewart,
Speaker 3: Like who else could be in the Illuminati? I think
Speaker 3: they really want you said a really good thing where
Speaker 3: you were like, they're making they're forcing the team up
Speaker 3: movies because they don't have the teams. And I think
Speaker 3: that aspect where they want to have that moment spoiler
Speaker 3: alert where Charlie Cox catches the brick and you know
Speaker 3: that's stared devil and they want be able to scream
Speaker 3: and you want to say, you want to see someone
Speaker 3: being like I want to see Charles Xavier and then
Speaker 3: he walks through. They want those moments And that makes
Speaker 3: me think as much as for a long time I
Speaker 3: thought Kang Jonathan Major's I Love You Kang, I love
Speaker 3: you like I'm ready for that. I thought that meant
Speaker 3: we were getting five years of Fantastic four Galactus so sad.
Speaker 1: A long time, especially in the current that's tim where
Speaker 1: you know, World War three years.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3: I thought that that Fantastic four and then maybe you'd
Speaker 3: get the ex Men in five years, and you know,
Speaker 3: we'd get a little San Diego comic con.
Speaker 2: They'd play like no. Now, I actually think like, I
Speaker 2: think it's fast.
Speaker 1: I think fast.
Speaker 3: I talked to Strange and the multi us madness could
Speaker 3: just shake up everything and we could learn that MCU
Speaker 3: is a projection, or we could suddenly we could have
Speaker 3: that moment that a lot of fans have thought, let
Speaker 3: there be mutants, like, let there be people with powers
Speaker 3: instead of no more.
Speaker 1: I'm coming around to that too, because I I was
Speaker 1: firmly during uh, you know, Falcon in the Winter Soldier era,
Speaker 1: which feels like a million years ago, but I think
Speaker 1: it was only like ten twelve months ago, some months ago.
Speaker 1: I was pretty convinced, Okay, they're gonna like they're gonna, uh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna kind of lay this, you know, lay the
Speaker 1: ground work, make us understand that like after you know,
Speaker 1: Civil War and the Accords and all and and the
Speaker 1: blip that people are like, actually, maybe powered people are
Speaker 1: really bad. Yeah, and everything has been really shitty since
Speaker 1: they appeared, and like, and public opinion will turn against them,
Speaker 1: and then you will have a government program against powered people,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And then you will have the X Men
Speaker 1: appear in that in that context. And now I think
Speaker 1: we don't We don't really have the Team Up movie now.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like they've they've made the various standalone
Speaker 1: movies into Team Upe movies.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: They've been doing that for a while with like Captain
Speaker 1: America Civil War, but they're they're really doing it now
Speaker 1: with Uh, with Noay Home, with Quantum Mania, with Doctor Strange.
Speaker 1: You're all going to be Team Up movies. But where
Speaker 1: is the actual team team? We don't have an Avengers
Speaker 1: team Fantastic four on the horizon. But I feel like
Speaker 1: they will introduce the X Men sooner than we think.
Speaker 3: I think so too, especially because our next team is
Speaker 3: probably going to be the Young Avengers in whatever guys,
Speaker 3: whether they call them the West Coast Avengers, whether they
Speaker 3: call them the Young Avengers, but that could be in
Speaker 3: Disney plus TV. That could be in a movie maybe,
Speaker 3: but I think the broadness of it is probably fantastic
Speaker 3: for and X Men at the same time, and some
Speaker 3: kind of slash versus Avengers or situation or Secret Wars,
Speaker 3: which we've been saying could happen for a long time,
Speaker 3: like that's the big and if you bring Fantastic four
Speaker 3: and then you can.
Speaker 2: Do secret Wars really easily.
Speaker 1: I'll just say that as a as a comic fan,
Speaker 1: this has been a fantastic period of my life. To
Speaker 1: go to me seriously, it's been really great. But and
Speaker 1: I've loved every second of it. But if when they
Speaker 1: bring in the X Men, I will lose my shit,
Speaker 1: I know, lose it.
Speaker 2: It's hard to think about it. I'll truly receive it.
Speaker 1: I mean I'll lose it.
Speaker 2: I know this is gonna make a lot of people
Speaker 2: in there. I feel really old or really young. Dude,
Speaker 2: that X Men movie came out twenty two years ago.
Speaker 1: That ship old.
Speaker 2: That feels to me like that feels.
Speaker 3: To me still like a real It's like, oh, that's
Speaker 3: when superhero movie started, Sam Raimi Spider Man, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: That's two decades ago. Like that there is time for
Speaker 2: a new X Men movie.
Speaker 1: I truly lose casting the.
Speaker 3: Moment that we see I know we're going on an
Speaker 3: X Men tangum, but we both love the X Men,
Speaker 3: so it's fine, who what do you think? Okay, So
Speaker 3: when the MC comes, do you think it's gonna be
Speaker 3: my choice? I know my choice is giant size? But
Speaker 3: do you think they're gonna do classic five giant size?
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I think that it has to be. I
Speaker 1: think you have to have Cyclops. I think you have
Speaker 1: to have storms, so it's giants. You have to have Wolverine, right,
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to be a very important
Speaker 1: character that ties in a lot of like the Super
Speaker 1: Soldier program, like actually grounds it in a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff that you already happened, Like we'll find out
Speaker 1: that actually there were offshoots to the Super Soldier program,
Speaker 1: and Logan is part of that but also a mutant.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think you have to have obviously, Charles Magneto's
Speaker 1: got to be in there as like the foil And
Speaker 1: then I don't who do you think?
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right. I just to me, I
Speaker 2: think that's the way you believe.
Speaker 1: I don't know I love.
Speaker 3: I think I think the most realistic version is a
Speaker 3: melding of Giants right and of ninety two, because.
Speaker 1: That is the same film people grew up with.
Speaker 3: I also think that if we look at how the
Speaker 3: MCU is now, there is a space to have multiple iterations,
Speaker 3: Like you can have a younger class who are in
Speaker 3: Charles's school or Storm school.
Speaker 2: Maybe Storm will be the headmistress. We don't know where.
Speaker 3: Introducing Charles and specifically Magneto in this timeline with the
Speaker 3: sliding timeline is a very complex proposition and they're going
Speaker 3: to have to work really hard to work out how
Speaker 3: to make it work. So there's I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of different ways where we could see different generations
Speaker 3: of them. I think Storm might actually be the first
Speaker 3: X men that they introduce because they have she has
Speaker 3: such a deep connection to Black Panther. I do not
Speaker 3: want Storm to get married to Black Panther, by the way,
Speaker 3: I was not a fan of that storyline.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's how it should be done.
Speaker 3: But she has a brilliant connection to Wakanda, and that
Speaker 3: would be such a great space to introduce her in
Speaker 3: Wakanda Forever, where we're going to be potentially going to
Speaker 3: the Savage Land.
Speaker 2: We're going to potentially be meeting nay More.
Speaker 3: I think Storm is such an iconic character and such
Speaker 3: a beloved X Men and also a beloved hero and right,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: She could be off off ust major X man that
Speaker 2: we meet.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Uh, this was a really fun segment,
Speaker 1: and now we should move on because I think how
Speaker 1: much time do we have left? God, the half of it.
Speaker 3: Half of it was just talking about both of those
Speaker 3: things are relative to the multivast side.
Speaker 1: Great when we're back more multiverse. Okay, so let's talk
Speaker 1: about multiverses. Then let's talk about multiverses, parallel universes, all
Speaker 1: this stuff that is happening. Uh. First of all, let's
Speaker 1: talk about our favorite multiverses. The multiverse is really it's
Speaker 1: a fascinating construct in that it is a way to
Speaker 1: basically cheat and include like every iteration of every character
Speaker 1: that you want. You can have them fight against each other.
Speaker 1: Both DC and Marvel have their versions of the multiverse.
Speaker 1: I think DC's is fascinating in that it's an outgrowth
Speaker 1: of just the way the comics industry existed at the time.
Speaker 1: You had all these different creators creating comics at a
Speaker 1: super super fast clips.
Speaker 3: A month, so many comics coming out every week, and
Speaker 3: there were so many different creators that was no cohesive.
Speaker 1: There is no overarching like soditor. And so you had
Speaker 1: like a Superman over here doing this, and then you
Speaker 1: had a younger Superman.
Speaker 3: And you had Superman in Lowis Layton, Superman's girlfriend, and
Speaker 3: you had and then you had Dark Knight Batman. You know,
Speaker 3: you had all these different versions of the characters, and
Speaker 3: DC created the multiverse as a way to explain it away, right.
Speaker 1: And so then you have that you have Crisis on
Speaker 1: Infinite Earth's, which is DC's attempt to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got to like team this somehow by creating like
Speaker 1: this massive multiversal war so we can.
Speaker 3: Stream line into one timeline where we can control whatever
Speaker 3: what is going on.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about it. What are our favorite favorite
Speaker 1: multi versus? Would you like to start?
Speaker 2: I will?
Speaker 3: I will start just because it's on the topic of
Speaker 3: what my I love the Marvel multiverse, because the Marvel
Speaker 3: Multiverse in the comics is one of my absolute favorite things,
Speaker 3: which is something that is almost entirely defined by fans.
Speaker 3: Fans were the people who created the Earth designations. You know,
Speaker 3: you've heard of Earth six one six. You've got the
Speaker 3: Earth where there's zombie Marvel stuff happened, You've got that.
Speaker 3: And these were actually fans who were like, this, we're
Speaker 3: gonna call it this like the first mention of six
Speaker 3: one six, which we know, we use it as an
Speaker 3: offhand term for the main Marvel universe. That's kind of
Speaker 3: controversial in the comics but has been used as a
Speaker 3: joke in the movies. That was actually from an Alan
Speaker 3: Moore comic, like a Captain Britain thing.
Speaker 2: It was an.
Speaker 3: Offhanded mention, and fans latched onto it and they were like,
Speaker 3: that's the main Marvel universe. And to me, that constant
Speaker 3: conversation between fans and creators is what makes this stuff exciting.
Speaker 2: So I love that Marvel had.
Speaker 3: This messy world where there's so many different versions of
Speaker 3: their characters and all these different teams, and fans just
Speaker 3: started organizing it for them, to the point where Marvel
Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: They were the multiverse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's We were so hard to create all
Speaker 3: these different asks for you.
Speaker 2: You're so lucky. And I think that.
Speaker 3: Is just so cool and Also I love that because
Speaker 3: of that, we get stories that actually play into the multiverse.
Speaker 3: We talk a lot about secret wars like the Jason
Speaker 3: Arrow and Asad Ribbik big stuff, and like that is
Speaker 3: so fun where I'll never forget, Like that spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: The story is like they're trying to get They're trying
Speaker 3: to make everything part of this main universe, so they're
Speaker 3: going to destroy all these other worlds, right.
Speaker 2: And the way that they showed at.
Speaker 3: The end, what they really wanted to do was bring
Speaker 3: Males Morales into the main Marvel universe because he's brilliant
Speaker 3: and they knew. So what they did was they on
Speaker 3: the final page turn Miles wakes up. He's in that universe,
Speaker 3: and they changed the lettering style.
Speaker 2: That's all it was.
Speaker 3: It went from mixed case to caps, which is what
Speaker 3: they do in the main Marvel universe. And I remember
Speaker 3: reading that and being like, oh my god, Like I
Speaker 3: know that he is in this world now, and I
Speaker 3: kind of love the way that it gives creators a
Speaker 3: control over, Like.
Speaker 2: This was really cool. And it was meant to just
Speaker 2: be this.
Speaker 3: Throwaway thing or it's meant to only exist in the
Speaker 3: Ultimate Universe, but I love it. So actually they jumped
Speaker 3: through a multiversal portal and guess what, now they're in
Speaker 3: the main MCU.
Speaker 2: Like that to me is very powerful and fun.
Speaker 1: I love Secret War, Secret Wars, the c Aburbic version
Speaker 1: of Secret Wars, because it's basically like the Illuminati, this
Speaker 1: collection of dudes in the most powerful Dudes, the power
Speaker 1: Dudes of the Marvel Universe, were like, Okay, nobody can
Speaker 1: know what's happening with these incursions, like various parallel universes
Speaker 1: are crashing into ours. How do we fix this? I know,
Speaker 1: we kill everyone, we totally destroy their entire reality, and
Speaker 1: but we don't. We can't tell anybody we're doing this
Speaker 1: because they'll be mad at us. Captain America understandably, we'll
Speaker 1: be super mad. So we're just gonna do it. And
Speaker 1: this results in the Secret War, And it's basically like
Speaker 1: this entire crossover was just like the Power Dudes of
Speaker 1: the MCU fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you end up with like God Emperor Do,
Speaker 3: which is like the most badass name villain.
Speaker 2: Of all time.
Speaker 3: But I just I think that I love that the
Speaker 3: Marvel one is kind of as much created by random
Speaker 3: creators making all these different stories in an age where
Speaker 3: comics were coming out, you know, hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 3: comics every year, and it was sort of shaped by
Speaker 3: fans being like, well, we need this to make sense,
Speaker 3: and Marvel was just like, yeah, that's what we meant
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: Like that to me, is so cool about what's one
Speaker 2: of your faves.
Speaker 1: Into the Spider Verse was just like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just a adrenaline shot of a movie that is so so,
Speaker 1: so so fun. They did the Multiverse before them, so
Speaker 1: you managed to do it, which is great.
Speaker 3: They likely introduced the Multiverse to mass audiences. That is,
Speaker 3: most people's understanding of the Multiverse is through that beautifully
Speaker 3: made movie.
Speaker 1: It's it's a heart wrenching movie that hits your that
Speaker 1: hits your feelings when you least expected to do that.
Speaker 1: It is a adrenaline shot of a movie with like
Speaker 1: some of the most insane action, and I mean, when
Speaker 1: Miles does his leap, it is like you want to
Speaker 1: erupt out of the out of your seat. It's so
Speaker 1: so fun.
Speaker 3: It also did one of the things that I think
Speaker 3: these kind of stories can do so well, where like
Speaker 3: this is a random kind of comparison, but in New
Speaker 3: X Men, the Grand Marrison Frank quietly. But they introduced
Speaker 3: this different version of Cyclops who's kind of flawed, and
Speaker 3: that was the first time I liked Cyclops, and.
Speaker 2: I thought that was I think he's like too much
Speaker 2: of a much of a god boy for me.
Speaker 3: But like I like the I like the flowed like
Speaker 3: he's having a psychic affair, and I think that something
Speaker 3: Spider Verse does that's so brillian.
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: It takes the You know, we've always seen Peter Parker.
Speaker 3: He's emotional, he's this ground level hero. You can relate
Speaker 3: to him, anyone can be like him, but he still
Speaker 3: has this kind of sheen of a young boy who
Speaker 3: doesn't really he doesn't really make mistakes, but he's always
Speaker 3: putting his family at risk.
Speaker 2: But I loved the version of Peter B.
Speaker 3: Parker where you actually got to see what does it
Speaker 3: do to you when you have always put your family
Speaker 3: at risk and you've always like sacrificed your life and
Speaker 3: it just doesn't work out Like that was one of
Speaker 3: the most unexpectedly like hilarious also like heart wrenching things
Speaker 3: that they introduced in that movie.
Speaker 1: The other thing I love about Multiverse is just like
Speaker 1: we've talked about it in a little bit here, but
Speaker 1: how much Marvel and DC just rip each other off shamelessly.
Speaker 1: So it's like part of the dynamic of liking this
Speaker 1: stuff is just being okay with the fact that, like,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it's one of my favorites, right
Speaker 3: because it's not necessarily.
Speaker 2: Something I go back to all the time.
Speaker 3: But like I will say that in the fun of
Speaker 3: the ripping off conversation that most of the reason that
Speaker 3: anyone who just randomly watches TV or isn't really into
Speaker 3: comics knows what a multiverse is is because of the
Speaker 3: CW shows.
Speaker 2: But you've been doing a.
Speaker 3: Multiverse for like ten years, and now Marvel came in
Speaker 3: and they're like, hey, we're doing a multiverse, and everyone's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, wow, And I'm just like, you guys
Speaker 3: are so cheeky. Like the cub has literally been seeding
Speaker 3: this stuff with like moms who love Green Arrow and
Speaker 3: people who don't necessarily read comics.
Speaker 2: They had a crisis on Infinite Earth's event where they.
Speaker 3: Literally whatever, yeah, you know what I mean, And then
Speaker 3: when they did the TV version, they literally had people
Speaker 3: from the movies come to the TV and that was
Speaker 3: like so groundbreaking, even if you know it's a little
Speaker 3: bit corny, it's it's its own world. But like, I
Speaker 3: just think it's so interesting that how these kind of
Speaker 3: things feed off of each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just so many people.
Speaker 3: Their understanding of that is probably because oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: remember that one episode of that of Arrow. I mean
Speaker 3: they had stuff in the c W. I think one
Speaker 3: of the most interesting things that DC has always done.
Speaker 3: They the old thing that we used to say, Marvel
Speaker 3: movie is terrible in the nineties. You know, it was
Speaker 3: Captain America. I love that bad Captain American movie.
Speaker 5: You'd be like DC though, in the Hulk Special or
Speaker 5: even you know, even the Fox you know, Da Devil
Speaker 5: Elektra bring Me to life one of the best scenes
Speaker 5: of a movie of all time.
Speaker 2: Not for the right not for the right reason.
Speaker 3: But like we used to say, the Marvel movies, those
Speaker 3: are bad, but the DC animated movies that's what superhero
Speaker 3: movies should be. And because of that, because DC knew
Speaker 3: the quality of those, they have always basically aligned that
Speaker 3: those movies can exist in a multiversal space next to
Speaker 3: their other stuff.
Speaker 2: And with the CW stuff.
Speaker 3: Something I found really interesting was they actually had characters
Speaker 3: and storylines that they were doing in animated stuff that
Speaker 3: would enter into the CW live action shows, and the
Speaker 3: canon of the cartoons would be in there. So I
Speaker 3: just think it's really interesting how this kind of stuff
Speaker 3: is really experimental and it's becoming really mainstream. But it's
Speaker 3: been something that's been in the conversation for a really
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 1: Really really long time. What's your next favorite multiverse?
Speaker 2: My next favorite multiverse? There's so many, there's a multiverse
Speaker 2: of multiverses. I'm going to bring up one.
Speaker 3: It's so silly, but we were talking about yesterday, and
Speaker 3: I love talking about like bad movies. So I when
Speaker 3: I was a kid, I watched Cube and it is
Speaker 3: a weird horror movie about these people stuck in torture cube.
Speaker 2: But it's very terrifying.
Speaker 3: It was a big influence on like Saw, for example,
Speaker 3: because it's all filmed in one room. But one of
Speaker 3: the sequels, Cube Zero, is a string theory film about
Speaker 3: multiverses where every cube is living alongside each other in
Speaker 3: a different universe of its own, and it's it's absolutely
Speaker 3: mind blowing and just completely ridiculous. But that's one of
Speaker 3: my favorites because I'm like that's the most horrific version
Speaker 3: of a multiverse we know.
Speaker 2: Multi versus is, Oh, here's a different version.
Speaker 3: Of this character we love, and in this one they're
Speaker 3: a bit silly, or they wear a different costume. And
Speaker 3: in this one, it's like in every multiverse, in every universe,
Speaker 3: you are just stuck in a torture cube.
Speaker 2: It's just horrible.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna pick DC Crisis on Infinite Earth
Speaker 1: just because it was the classic and it's interesting because
Speaker 1: like when you think about the big crossover events of
Speaker 1: that era between Marvel and DC, it's like so emblematic
Speaker 1: about like the cultures of those two companies. DC Crisis
Speaker 1: on Infinite Earth's was all about, we've got all this
Speaker 1: crazy cannon that doesn't make sense, and we just need
Speaker 1: to like actually go in and garden and like make
Speaker 1: it all make sense, because so what a creative team.
Speaker 2: Marvelfman George Press.
Speaker 1: That's like George Pres the that's the stuff. And then
Speaker 1: and then you had Secret Wars, which was literally just
Speaker 1: like how do we okay, cash grab time, let's go
Speaker 1: Marvel's Secret Wars, which I loved as a kid, and
Speaker 1: then in retrospect was.
Speaker 2: Not It's it's a toy. It was to sell toys.
Speaker 3: There's actually toys that went along with it where that
Speaker 3: are really cool.
Speaker 2: Like it's like Spider Man, he has this weird wheel toy.
Speaker 3: It's like a vehicle that he would be in in
Speaker 3: each of the issues that stuff. Though, I have a
Speaker 3: Secret Wars coloring book, which is one of my prized possessions,
Speaker 3: lots of Kang coloring in there. So actually that's a
Speaker 3: very It's a cash grab, but it's now a relevant
Speaker 3: cash grab, you.
Speaker 1: Know, it's it is quite irrelevant where not to deraalist,
Speaker 1: but Kang, like where is he?
Speaker 2: He's everywhere?
Speaker 1: Where is where are we gonna? It's interesting because it's
Speaker 1: like Fanos, you kind of understood where he would appears.
Speaker 2: It's hard because.
Speaker 3: Like you feel like where was Kang in no way
Speaker 3: home right, It just makes it seems like he would
Speaker 3: have been there, So I think, I think he's got
Speaker 3: to be somewhere pulling some strings, maybe having a Thanos
Speaker 3: style end credit scene in Multiverse of Madness, because it
Speaker 3: feels like if that is a multiversal story and we're
Speaker 3: talking about these timelines being out of control or Stephen
Speaker 3: messing things up as he always does Kang is probably
Speaker 3: somewhere like this fucking guy again, like what the fuck
Speaker 3: is wrong with him? Like he just can't stay in
Speaker 3: his fan see bougie New York apartment and behave in Steven.
Speaker 1: If you can't rearrange reality with a kid talking to you,
Speaker 1: don't do it.
Speaker 2: It's not odd, like if.
Speaker 1: You're you know, like, if you can't do it while
Speaker 1: someone's saying stuff to you, then just stop and don't
Speaker 1: mess with it. That's yeah, just all I'm saying, Stephen, Uh,
Speaker 1: your classic you know, the humorist of this man, it's
Speaker 1: it's he's.
Speaker 2: He's the king of Hubris. That's the problem. Uh, your
Speaker 2: next Okay, I'm gonna go for it. I can't believe
Speaker 2: neither of us said it. You actually days of future past.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take that as my next. One day's
Speaker 1: a future post.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things about this is a incredible
Speaker 3: story arc. You know, this thing changes the Marvel Universe
Speaker 3: in like two issues.
Speaker 1: It's two issues, Like if that was today, they'd be
Speaker 1: like a ten issue limited series like multiple spin off yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, like and they'd have like a point
Speaker 1: five issues that would like zero zero.
Speaker 2: Like no, I I love that stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean unbelievable like Iconic Creator team Chris Clairemont, John Bamboo, Tomato, Tomatow.
Speaker 7: Terry Austin, like but just like unbelievable stuff also created
Speaker 7: a blog and he ruined it for everyone anyway, bad vibes.
Speaker 2: But those two issues are so great and I love that.
Speaker 3: You know that famous cover where it's like they're all
Speaker 3: dead and everyone's dead. I spoke to Luis Simonson, who's
Speaker 3: Iconic X Men Create Us Death of Superman Creator X
Speaker 3: Men editor, and she had just randomly thought that was
Speaker 3: like a funny joke to put on. She was like,
Speaker 3: that would be great when that'd be a great design,
Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the coolest things. It
Speaker 3: sums up one of the best things. That book was
Speaker 3: not made to create a multiverse. That was just a
Speaker 3: cool time travel story, but the impact of the story
Speaker 3: led to other creators saying, oh, well, what would the
Speaker 3: other versions of this be? What would have happened because
Speaker 3: of these two issues, And that I think is the
Speaker 3: summation of what makes the multiverse so cool. It's a
Speaker 3: cool idea for these things that are seen as disposable,
Speaker 3: that are printed on the cheapest paper that are bought
Speaker 3: by kids and are meant to be forgotten, but their
Speaker 3: impact is so much longer. And then something like Days
Speaker 3: of Future Past can become like a key moment in
Speaker 3: all of Marvel history because everyone else is like, wait,
Speaker 3: but I want to know, like what happens to the
Speaker 3: people in that timeline, like, and then you get so
Speaker 3: many different characters from that.
Speaker 2: I just I just think it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: We should probably move on because we're like against the clock,
Speaker 1: but I think so those are our top three. But
Speaker 1: I will say this one thing that I will soft
Speaker 1: prediction they'll do an age of Ultron. Ultron will come
Speaker 1: back at some point. I think I Altron is in space,
Speaker 1: he uploaded his consciousness into whatever machines.
Speaker 3: We see those ultron esque bots. He will some madness trailer,
Speaker 3: which I would say, if we imagine that kill Monger
Speaker 3: is one of the Illuminati who we see or one
Speaker 3: of the group we see in the trailer, then those
Speaker 3: are probably his Ultron bots. Bring back James Spader, Bring
Speaker 3: back James Spader. I love James Spader, I love James
Speaker 3: Vader's Ultron. I will be happy to hear his dulcet
Speaker 3: tones once again telling us.
Speaker 2: The Internet destroyed the world.
Speaker 1: When we're back more of our live show at south
Speaker 1: By Southwest. Okay, let's go to some mail bag questions.
Speaker 1: This is from Jamie. After watching the Doctor Strange trailer
Speaker 1: and thinking about WandaVision, Loki, what If, and No Way Home,
Speaker 1: I'm just confused about the origin of the MCU multiverse.
Speaker 1: Perfect first question for this. I had assumed that it
Speaker 1: all began with Sylvie, but there doesn't seem to be
Speaker 1: any connection between that and No Way Home. Do you
Speaker 1: think we'll see any kind of connections drawn in Multiverse
Speaker 1: of Madness? Between all the multiverse pieces we've seen so far,
Speaker 1: are they connected somehow or did three people want to
Speaker 1: silly Strange just happen to mess with it at the
Speaker 1: same time, Also wondering how the Watcher and the TVA
Speaker 1: can exist. Great question.
Speaker 3: This is the biggest question right of the novel moment,
Speaker 3: because it seems like No Way Home would be the
Speaker 3: place where you would feel the ramifications of.
Speaker 2: Loki and your oh, all these worlds, but they seem
Speaker 2: to close it.
Speaker 3: And my understanding is from reports that Noey Home was
Speaker 3: originally meant to come out after Doctor Strange. So I
Speaker 3: think that that changed the storyline of what was meant
Speaker 3: to happen where I'm assuming that whatever happened in Doctor
Speaker 3: Strange was meant to lead to that multiversal.
Speaker 2: Kind of explosion in No Way Home.
Speaker 3: I think it does all start with Sylvie and the
Speaker 3: TVA because we know that what if only exists and
Speaker 3: we know what if even though people thought it wasn't
Speaker 3: going to play much of a big part, we can
Speaker 3: see now that they were seeding a lot of big.
Speaker 2: Stuff in Doctor Strange.
Speaker 1: That unleashed the true multi It was like, think of
Speaker 1: it as like a bonsai tree.
Speaker 2: But it was in a loop before and now it's
Speaker 2: in the In.
Speaker 1: The pre Sylvie, pre Loky fashion, it was like very
Speaker 1: constrained in this very curated kind of fashion, and now
Speaker 1: it's just like wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what we see in everything we see and
Speaker 3: what if is coming from those trees that kind of
Speaker 3: swirl off what I'm really interested to see it to
Speaker 3: kind of what I want answered in along with Jamie
Speaker 3: in kind of Doctor Strange too.
Speaker 2: Is so like, is he in trouble for what he did?
Speaker 2: In No Way Home?
Speaker 3: Is he in trouble because a different universe version of
Speaker 3: him messed around with the timeline to try and bring
Speaker 3: back Christine and he's having to pay for it. Like
Speaker 3: I think hopefully Multiverse of Manas is going to give
Speaker 3: us those answers of how this kind of all coalesces
Speaker 3: because also kind of like what we were saying about
Speaker 3: Days of Future Past.
Speaker 2: I think part of it is they kind of throw
Speaker 2: stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Yeah, what
Speaker 2: did people?
Speaker 1: Most?
Speaker 3: Loki and Sylvia are the ones that people really gravitated to,
Speaker 3: so it's probably them.
Speaker 1: And listen, a classic classic Doctor Strange DNA is he
Speaker 1: gets very very powerful and he fucks something up and
Speaker 1: then they have to depower him and he has to
Speaker 1: learn his lesson and then he does it again. It
Speaker 1: looks like that's why we're going, and I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly where we're going. Is like that, you know, like listen, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's not the source of Supreme anymore, which I think
Speaker 1: is a great choice.
Speaker 2: Yes, one is always meant to be.
Speaker 1: Stephen a wild guy, but I think, as we saw,
Speaker 1: you know, with with Spider Man, here he is messing
Speaker 1: with the multiverses.
Speaker 2: He should kid get into help.
Speaker 1: He's right to help a kid get into college.
Speaker 2: It's not college scandal, Stephen.
Speaker 1: And again with what I think is brilliant about like
Speaker 1: the characterization here is it was ostensibly to get a
Speaker 1: kid into college, but really it was because, like Stephen
Speaker 1: Strange wanted to do it is an egomaniac. Oh, that
Speaker 1: sounds really cool, alter reality.
Speaker 2: Try everyone on.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a very very responsible thing that I
Speaker 1: can do.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then and this caused all of this, so, uh,
Speaker 1: what about the fine question the Watcher. Can the Watcher
Speaker 1: and the TVA co exist? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can co exist.
Speaker 3: I think the idea of the Watcher so I get.
Speaker 3: I think the Watcher is very intriguing to people because
Speaker 3: like in the show, he has this really clearly defined
Speaker 3: omnipient on the opposent kind of space.
Speaker 2: But in the comics again just the funny like narrative
Speaker 2: device that used to introduce these different.
Speaker 3: Comics and then has come on to have more of
Speaker 3: a person kind of persona. So I think he can
Speaker 3: exist because the idea is he actually exists outside of
Speaker 3: space and time.
Speaker 2: The Watcher is almost a god in that way.
Speaker 3: It doesn't the TVA can exist and be pruning, but
Speaker 3: the Watcher's just watching him being like oh, they shouldn't
Speaker 3: be prune in.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't do anything, He's not like that's a
Speaker 2: bad idea.
Speaker 1: Sarah asks I was listening to a recent interview with
Speaker 1: Anita Hill where she mentioned that she was a fan
Speaker 1: of Stanley and always wanted him to make a superhero
Speaker 1: character based on her, and honestly, who deserves to be
Speaker 1: mortalized as a superhero more than a need a Hill.
Speaker 1: It made me wonder whether Marvel or comics generally ever
Speaker 1: did depict real historical people events all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they love to do that.
Speaker 1: They love to do that, like presidents Jimmy Carter is
Speaker 1: it's so ready like.
Speaker 2: They did a lot.
Speaker 3: But when Obama got in, they made like a bunch
Speaker 3: of Obama covers and stuff for.
Speaker 1: Some really really in retrospect cringe worthy like reactions to
Speaker 1: nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: And that's like a very famous Marvel did a very
Speaker 3: famous anthology about that that is touch and go.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe let this before we just like jump into this.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean they were really into that.
Speaker 3: And there's even like there's even kind of precedent for
Speaker 3: comics throughout history where publishers have just done comics that
Speaker 3: are like biographical comic issues about famous people.
Speaker 2: So, yes, that's a good question, and it is true.
Speaker 3: And now that you know it's true, you probably notice
Speaker 3: it when you're going through a back issue and you'll
Speaker 3: be like, Lol, why is this person in here?
Speaker 1: Let's see one more and then we'll go to the audience.
Speaker 1: If you had Infinity Gauntlet control over the MCU, and
Speaker 1: it would be dangerous one thing, casting, story effects, etc.
Speaker 1: What would that be for y'all? If X Men Dark
Speaker 1: Phoenix six blakes in nineteen ninety two, and he assumed
Speaker 1: that since the original X Men came out in two thousand,
Speaker 1: it must have taken place roughly at the same timeframe,
Speaker 1: what do you think could have caused Xavier and Magneta
Speaker 1: to age so much?
Speaker 2: The big question?
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you had Infinity Gauntlet ConTroll over the
Speaker 1: MCU and can change one thing?
Speaker 3: Okay, so would I have like my real answer on
Speaker 3: like a very small like could happen would probably be like,
Speaker 3: I think Emily Blunt was originally meant to place Black Widow,
Speaker 3: and I think that would have been very cool. But
Speaker 3: if I had real Infinity go on the thing they
Speaker 3: mentioned the wet effects, if I could click I would
Speaker 3: make every effect in the MCU practical.
Speaker 2: That would be my thing.
Speaker 3: I would be like, all in camera, in camera, build
Speaker 3: a set I want to see.
Speaker 2: I want to see no green screen, right, that'd.
Speaker 1: Be surprised, actual silly string come out of like a
Speaker 1: like an honestly shooter.
Speaker 2: I want to see Kevin Faige in an ultimate universe.
Speaker 3: He's like, I didn't know we could do CG instead
Speaker 3: of saying I didn't know we could shoot on location.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, yeah, I want everything to be in camera.
Speaker 3: That's that pract that's the way to go. That's the MCUISH.
Speaker 1: I don't even know, gosh, what would I do. I
Speaker 1: would probably if I had MCU, I would bring I
Speaker 1: would find a way to get the X Men in
Speaker 1: like earlier, and I would have more like Weapon X,
Speaker 1: which is the program that created Woverine. I would have
Speaker 1: more clues about that. I would more. I would tie
Speaker 1: it directly to the Super sold such.
Speaker 3: A foundational part of introducing like heroes and mutants.
Speaker 1: While and I would have I would have like him
Speaker 1: a picture of Logan like hanging in some flashback of
Speaker 1: the Super Soldier program where it's like, oh yeah, the
Speaker 1: Canadian version of Captain America. It never really worked out.
Speaker 1: He went psychotic and we had to lock him in
Speaker 1: a cell somewhere after we bombed out. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: that's what I would do, because that is I can't
Speaker 1: I just can't wait for the X Men to come
Speaker 1: to the Marvel Universe. Okay, let's go to does anybody
Speaker 1: do you have a question?
Speaker 3: You can stand behind the microphone if you cared to ask,
Speaker 3: thank you, no brave question.
Speaker 6: So I'm going to age myself a little bit. My
Speaker 6: dad was a fan of the ninety two X Men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great, great parenting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm watching it for the first time, and especially
Speaker 6: with the X Men ninety two announcement, I'm trying to ask,
Speaker 6: like every person on TikTok or like in the comic space,
Speaker 6: what do you think the like continuity or implications of
Speaker 6: the ninety two reboot or remake or whatever, What's what's
Speaker 6: the canonicity? What's that going to do to the MCU,
Speaker 6: especially with also the Doctor Strange rumor that he's going
Speaker 6: to be in like the chair from the Profession in
Speaker 6: the Chair.
Speaker 3: So my understanding of the show is that it's going
Speaker 3: to directly continue from when ninety two, and so I
Speaker 3: think that I love that question because I would hope
Speaker 3: I think think that canon wise, I don't necessarily know
Speaker 3: that the MCU wants to get into like animation being canon,
Speaker 3: but I do think that the reason they're doing this
Speaker 3: show right now is to reintroduce the X.
Speaker 2: A new audience maybe.
Speaker 3: Didn't grow up with it, and to yeah, exactly, you're
Speaker 3: you're the target, and basically to something that me and
Speaker 3: Jason have talked about a lot about why we think
Speaker 3: that show works, why the Spider Man animated series works,
Speaker 3: why Batman animated series works.
Speaker 2: They basically condensed.
Speaker 3: These really famous arcs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Sentinels. Suddenly, that's twenty two minutes. You know.
Speaker 3: It's this really condensed form of storytelling where you can
Speaker 3: do a lot of exposition and introduction. So I think
Speaker 3: that what we see in X Men ninety seven, I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be called we should look to
Speaker 3: that as probably very telling about what's going to be
Speaker 3: in the mcux men movies.
Speaker 4: Guys, great to see it, Okay, nice to be here.
Speaker 4: Nice to see you guys too.
Speaker 1: Just two quick questions. The first one, now that we're getting.
Speaker 4: Further and further away from World War two, which is
Speaker 4: anchored in time, but our culture is moving, like is
Speaker 4: it time when the X Men come in to just
Speaker 4: rebuild that whole story? Take it away from that. Wolverine
Speaker 4: can obviously can be around forever, but you know, do
Speaker 4: should that all be reinterpreted the way they did in
Speaker 4: the Ultimate Universe? And then second question, I miss Cap
Speaker 4: and Tony in the MCU, and I like the idea
Speaker 4: of them being around for the long term. So do
Speaker 4: you guys like the idea of pulling a Rick and Morty,
Speaker 4: like go find you know, a new actor for Tony
Speaker 4: and for and for Cap from some other multiverse and
Speaker 4: bring him into the to the main line.
Speaker 3: I honestly think we could do a whole episode about
Speaker 3: the Magni O question. Yes, the Magni Magnio is a
Speaker 3: Jewish hero, anti hero villain, Holocaust survivor is so integral
Speaker 3: to his and that came.
Speaker 1: Along that was a retcon in and of itself, which
Speaker 1: came along much much later after his roduction as a
Speaker 1: very very evil super villain.
Speaker 3: But as Matt points out, like this is we are
Speaker 3: living in the age of the sliding timeline, right, Everyone
Speaker 3: in the comics now is you know, let's look to
Speaker 3: the even the Batman, you know, the new film he
Speaker 3: was in. He was like a kid in like two
Speaker 3: thousand and one. He's going she Shrek with his mom and.
Speaker 2: Dad instead, you know, and then they die. What a tragedy.
Speaker 2: Like the years keep coming and they don't stop coming.
Speaker 3: But like, I think it's the This is something I
Speaker 3: think about a lot. It's something I talked to jasonill
Speaker 3: about a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 3: I think there's some very brilliant ways that you could
Speaker 3: reinterpret it. I think that there's an unbelievable spectrum of
Speaker 3: Jewish existence where you could have a Jewish character who's
Speaker 3: also a black character who was involved in the Civil
Speaker 3: rights era stuff in the US, and that would be
Speaker 3: an interesting magnetum. But whatever they do, I think there's
Speaker 3: some modern war spaces that you could remain. But it
Speaker 3: is such a vital Jewish character and it was created,
Speaker 3: you know, by two Jewish men, and then was reckcon
Speaker 3: to be this huge Jewish icon. I think it's I
Speaker 3: think it's very it's gonna be the most complex thing
Speaker 3: they have to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, And I also think like
Speaker 1: it comes down to the central question of are they
Speaker 1: are the mutants here now and hiding.
Speaker 2: And have they always been?
Speaker 1: Have they always been?
Speaker 2: The Also, let's be real, we could just if you
Speaker 2: wanted to, he could just be forty.
Speaker 3: And guess what, he's a Holocaust survivor, but his mutations
Speaker 3: still they're aging at the age of forty, Like you
Speaker 3: can write it in if you want.
Speaker 1: But you can figure out how they always been there,
Speaker 1: and they give it. They just give us the eternals
Speaker 1: who secretly have been hiding like amongst the people of
Speaker 1: Earth for a long time. So they couldn't do that
Speaker 1: with the with the X Men, the school is so
Speaker 1: top secret that nobody knows that it's been happening. Or
Speaker 1: do they use the multiversal uh door and say we're
Speaker 1: bringing them in from somewhere else. That's kind of the
Speaker 1: central question that we definitely or is it a combination
Speaker 1: of those things where it's the stuff we saw in Loki,
Speaker 1: the stuff we saw in WandaVision plus some sort of
Speaker 1: like melding of dimensions that gives us mute because.
Speaker 3: For a long time, when it came to like what
Speaker 3: do you want to see from a Fantastic Four movie?
Speaker 2: Right, a lot of us.
Speaker 3: Our answer would be like, well, let's do it's tikle,
Speaker 3: why tit? It's fish out of Water, It's a sixties
Speaker 3: wild ride movie, and then they're pulled into the modern age.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be cool?
Speaker 3: So I guess, using that same logic, if we're talking
Speaker 3: about the multiverse, there is a version where you can
Speaker 3: pull a young, radicalized Holocaust survivor Magneto into a modern
Speaker 3: age where he still has that experience.
Speaker 1: But I would doubt. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a way you can do it
Speaker 2: without it. The question is what does that look like?
Speaker 3: And I think that's going to be the hardest thing
Speaker 3: for them to do because it was I mean, the
Speaker 3: reason to kind of answer go back to answer Sarah's question.
Speaker 3: The reason that Magneto looks old in those first X
Speaker 3: Men movies is because they needed him.
Speaker 2: To be a Holocaust viver. So that's what aged him.
Speaker 2: It was just the narrative necessity.
Speaker 3: And as for your I think about the Toni and
Speaker 3: Cap thing a lot, because I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people want that. I am all for recasting. I think
Speaker 3: it's the most exciting way to do it. There is
Speaker 3: precedent in the comics of teen Tony. It's very hated.
Speaker 3: I don't think Mark's going to look.
Speaker 2: Back to that, but I do.
Speaker 3: I do think to me, that's what I think is
Speaker 3: exciting RDIJ Chris Evan's brilliant. But if I see Tony
Speaker 3: Stark in, I want to see like twenty five year
Speaker 3: old Tony.
Speaker 2: I want them to.
Speaker 3: Find a brilliant young actor who has that like arrogance
Speaker 3: and anger, and I want to see him against this
Speaker 3: pure minded, like idealistic cap like. So I think that
Speaker 3: I think that if they do it, I think you've
Speaker 3: got to multiverse it. Pick some new act thinks that's.
Speaker 1: What and is pretty It seems pretty sure that Fagy's
Speaker 1: anti reboot. Yes, we will just bring stuff in and
Speaker 1: figure out how to make it work within the timeline.
Speaker 1: And I think that's so far.
Speaker 3: They haven't gone the the other big Disney property you
Speaker 3: might have heard of.
Speaker 2: It's called Star Wars.
Speaker 3: They have a pensiont for doing a lot of de aging,
Speaker 3: and luckily we haven't them.
Speaker 2: We don't want to see that. And even when you.
Speaker 3: Had Chris Evans at the end of uh, you know, endgame,
Speaker 3: he they did old people make up. Even then it
Speaker 3: was it was practical. So I'm hoping that we're going
Speaker 3: to stay in that realm of reality.
Speaker 1: Do we see old Chris Evans, old Captain America running
Speaker 1: around in our current.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden Captain America.
Speaker 1: He's there, Serum is still strong, like you could probably bench.
Speaker 3: He needs to come back and make up for all
Speaker 3: those a trust easy ignored while he was dancing with
Speaker 3: his missus.
Speaker 8: Like, so, I've always wanted like Brandon Sampson's Cosumer books adapted.
Speaker 8: I'm so curious. What are some things that have not
Speaker 8: been adapted for TV or movies that y'all would like
Speaker 8: to see?
Speaker 1: I have a god we're running out of stuff at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 3: But no, Okay, so I have a White Whale, But
Speaker 3: like many of us, I think it's a dream. But
Speaker 3: also I never want to see it adapted. So there
Speaker 3: is a comic book that I love that if you
Speaker 3: listen to podcasts I talk about it a lot, called
Speaker 3: Love and Rockets, Yeah, which is by the Hernandez Brothers,
Speaker 3: and it is this slice. It's a mix between a
Speaker 3: Slice of Life and a science fiction comic about putting
Speaker 3: the TX punks in like the eighties and and but
Speaker 3: the thing about the comics. That's amazing is over forty years,
Speaker 3: the comics of the characters have grown with the comics.
Speaker 2: There's no sliding timeline.
Speaker 3: They get older and it's this brilliant queer punk rock
Speaker 3: story and I always wanted to know, like it feels
Speaker 3: like the nineties, like a reality bites era kind of
Speaker 3: movie should have been the time for it to get made.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how it exists now, but that's
Speaker 3: the one where sometimes I'll see a brilliant actress or
Speaker 3: I'll see like some kind of like brilliant queer fashion
Speaker 3: shoot and I'm like, oh, love and rockets, Like it
Speaker 3: could exist, but do I really want it? I'd probably
Speaker 3: hate it. I'd probably be like crying every day, like
Speaker 3: watching it, like.
Speaker 2: Why did they do this?
Speaker 1: Like I that would be the one because it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the last giant indie comic that they have.
Speaker 1: It really is that they haven't adapted yet because.
Speaker 3: It's really from the black and white boom mirror. We've
Speaker 3: had Ninja Turtles comics. You know, We're having a Yasagi
Speaker 3: Ya Jimbo Netflix show. Like these comics that came out
Speaker 3: at the same time. A lot of them have been
Speaker 3: adapted and Love and Rockets is really that one where
Speaker 3: you're just like it's it's scary to take it on.
Speaker 3: But like the early stuff, especially that Himey did, like
Speaker 3: Maggie the Mechanics was this like very It's what inspired
Speaker 3: Tank Girl. She's like a badass, like queer mechanic and
Speaker 3: she does to like a world of dinosaurs. So I
Speaker 3: think if you're going to do a movie, you could
Speaker 3: do the more sci fi. But I think HBO Max
Speaker 3: kind of Prestige TV ten episode, there's a version of it,
Speaker 3: especially now where people are really interested in like expanding
Speaker 3: ideas of representation on TV and having authentic storytelling. I
Speaker 3: think there's a space. And you're right, it's really the
Speaker 3: last big indie.
Speaker 1: Comic I think mine would be. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Saga it will happen. How has that not happened to
Speaker 1: actually been at some point?
Speaker 3: Just probably post Paper Girls, because that's going to be
Speaker 3: the big BKV.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Brian Cavon Extravaganza, Saga, the Fiona Staples art
Speaker 1: that is just like so incredible and sumptuous. The best clothes,
Speaker 1: My favorite clothes in a comic is every fashion is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I think that that.
Speaker 2: I think that is actually so likely.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think that they made it so
Speaker 1: fantastical and imagine that they so.
Speaker 3: To me that was I used to say that was
Speaker 3: alongside the unfilmable comics like watch Men, you know, which has.
Speaker 2: Obviously never been filmed.
Speaker 3: It's very unfilmable, but like because of that, But I
Speaker 3: think where we are now, you have a Lord of
Speaker 3: the Rings show being made by a billionaire company and
Speaker 3: every episode costs four million dollars and it.
Speaker 1: Hadn't been a quarter of a billion just to get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the billion dollars season, right, I think we're
Speaker 3: living in a world where there's too much. There's just
Speaker 3: unthinkable amounts of money. So in that sense, could Saga
Speaker 3: get made probably very beautifully? Yeah, I actually think it
Speaker 3: probably could. Now the question is who could helmet? Do
Speaker 3: they understand the vision? And could it be weird enough? Also,
Speaker 3: it would have to be R rated. That is like
Speaker 3: a saucy gout, that's the way it should be.
Speaker 2: But I think it would be.
Speaker 3: I think it would be hard in an age of
Speaker 3: superheroes for them to not want a PG thirteen NET
Speaker 3: because it's.
Speaker 1: So hbox multiple seasons.
Speaker 3: Also with the mindset of I have a lot of
Speaker 3: moral and ethical issues with Watchmen ever being adapted because
Speaker 3: it was essentially stolen from the creators by DC with
Speaker 3: dodgy contracting. But I will say if you went into
Speaker 3: a saga with the mindset of the recent Watchman TV
Speaker 3: show where you're constantly recontextualizing the source material to make
Speaker 3: it speak to now, I think that mindset with a
Speaker 3: budget for saga could be absolutely groundbreaking.
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, one question, we've come to the end
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