WEBVTT - Live at South by Southwest: X-Ray Vision Talks Multiverses + Ms. Marvel and Moon Knight Trailer Reactions

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, this podcast contains spoilers. We're gonna be at south

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<v Speaker 1>By Southwest talking about the multiverse and its depictions in

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<v Speaker 1>pop culture and comics and movies and TV and such.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't want to be spoiled, be careful and

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<v Speaker 1>beware when you enter here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, gosh, hello, let me do hello, Hello south By.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is using except on this story tonight. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to x ray Vision, the Crooked podcast where we dive

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<v Speaker 1>deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, pop culture. We're

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<v Speaker 1>here live at south By Southwest. Yeah, I've got so

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<v Speaker 1>much coffee in my bloodstream right now, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about a bunch of of MCU stuff. We're

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<v Speaker 1>here to talk about multiverses, and then we're here to

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<v Speaker 1>answer some questions and listener questions, audience questions and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Rosie, how are you. How's your Austin experience

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<v Speaker 1>been thus far?

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<v Speaker 2>It's been lovely.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my first time in Austin, my first time

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<v Speaker 3>at south By. I have a lot of green tea

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<v Speaker 3>standing through my veins.

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<v Speaker 1>We're heavily armed. Now. It's wonderful to be here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about Let's go to the news previously on

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<v Speaker 1>should we play the trailer first or should we just

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it first?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just play it first? Play? Okay, let's play.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we play the latest trailer of Disney Plus's Moonnight series?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna watch it as we play it? Thanks Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds dramatic. The fun of Moonnight is getting introduced to

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<v Speaker 2>a new superhero in a new.

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<v Speaker 1>World, a real legitimate character study. I can't tell the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between My Way, Two Knives and Dreams. Moon Night

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<v Speaker 1>is a spectacular character, has got an incredibly unique visual look.

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<v Speaker 1>Our job was to kind of put a lens on

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<v Speaker 1>the things that had the most dramatic juice and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>take the mental health aspect incredibly seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Stephen the way you. We're tackling the story.

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<v Speaker 2>We learn about Stephen and then learn about Mark. What's

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Mark?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you call me?

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<v Speaker 1>Mak?

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<v Speaker 2>And they're the same person.

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<v Speaker 1>Ethan Hawk, one of the elite hat guys. Yeah, always

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<v Speaker 1>always has a brilliant hat of our times. So Disney

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<v Speaker 1>recently shared a press release for this series, mod Night,

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<v Speaker 1>in which they stress that they're going to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>to accurately and responsibly depict dissociative identity disorder, which we've

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<v Speaker 1>been saying is important, that's important to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really important to do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very interested that they are sticking with the use

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<v Speaker 3>of this terminology. I have had some very interesting conversations

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<v Speaker 3>with people who have the ID, and it is a

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<v Speaker 3>very specific mental health syndrome that is very much based

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<v Speaker 3>in your childhood and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Trauma generated by trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>Generated by traumatic childhood. So I will be interested to

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<v Speaker 3>see the route they go. I am glad that they.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to treat it respectfully, and they have explored it

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<v Speaker 1>recently in the comics as like explore the events that

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<v Speaker 1>created Yeah, Mark's d id he witnessed something terrible and

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<v Speaker 1>this caused his consciousness to be traumatized and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the result of this. How this interacts with the supernatural

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<v Speaker 1>aspects I think will be that's really the key, will

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<v Speaker 1>be absolutely really important. And also so this is also

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<v Speaker 1>they've they keep saying this is a standalone series, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think translates to we don't have Oscar Isaac's Lockdown

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<v Speaker 1>for like numerous movies, So it'll be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 1>how this interacts with the rest of MCU's stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I like the terminology of standalone is very loaded

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<v Speaker 3>slash meaningless in the MCU.

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<v Speaker 2>It could mean that they don't have a good contract,

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<v Speaker 2>it could mean that they're not sure how it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be received.

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<v Speaker 3>But I kind of like it in the terms of

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<v Speaker 3>the mental health aspect, because if they really want to

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<v Speaker 3>commit to exploring that in a meaningful way that brings

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of representation we haven't seen before, then they

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<v Speaker 3>don't need to worry about deeply connecting it to the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of it. But I also think this is We've

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<v Speaker 3>talked about this a little bit, but definitely seems like

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<v Speaker 3>an inroad for Marvel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. So, moon Night's first appearance was in the seventies

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<v Speaker 1>series Werewolf by Night, starring the incredibly named Jack Russell,

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<v Speaker 1>who was was a werewolf the Werewolf by Night as

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<v Speaker 1>they say, and Moonnight, in his first in in that

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<v Speaker 1>air condition, was just like a mercenary who was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like boondoggled into fighting the Werewolf by Night, was

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<v Speaker 1>given a costume by some mysterious, shadowy rich guys who

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<v Speaker 1>were like, hey, put on this costume, go fight this werewolf.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that turned out to be that was later

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<v Speaker 1>retconned into a part of Mark Spector's backstory, which also

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<v Speaker 1>included him, you know, being contacted by Conshu during his

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<v Speaker 1>time as a mercenary in the Sudan committing various ethnic cleansings.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard he didn't want to do, but he's good. But

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<v Speaker 1>he also was like taking part of.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, we've kind of talked about this a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>but the comics are varied at best in quality and taste,

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<v Speaker 3>so this is a very interesting. This is definitely I

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<v Speaker 3>think to look to Embarku in Black Panther and the

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<v Speaker 3>way that they reimagined that character and brought so much

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<v Speaker 3>incredible theft and humor and complexity, much.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that thanks to Winston Juke.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is really the basis of what they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to need to do with this character to avoid

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of that the problematic stuff. And also as well,

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<v Speaker 3>like I just want to say, the creator of Well

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<v Speaker 3>by Night has often said that they did not know

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<v Speaker 3>Jack Russell was a dog breed and it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a confidency, yes, yes, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing that like, there's also there's also the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the creator of Monight has also said, like, oh, the

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<v Speaker 1>Batman parallels, that was like we didn't you know, like yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he uses like boomerangs. Similarly, is like a weird rich

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<v Speaker 1>guy who dresses it, you know, like in a very

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<v Speaker 1>specific costume. It's but it's it's not. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>fights criminals punches them in the face, but that's It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, well, I've been thinking about this very famous.

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<v Speaker 3>Star, I know, and yeah, and that kind of the

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<v Speaker 3>Werewolf by Night thing is particularly resonant right now because

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<v Speaker 3>we know that the Halloween special, which is allegedly gonna

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<v Speaker 3>start Gail Garcie Ebanow as a werewolf that is apparently

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<v Speaker 3>in the working title of Werewolf by Night, but that

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<v Speaker 3>will likely be changed by the time it hits screens,

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<v Speaker 3>going to be directed by Michael Giacchino, who just did

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<v Speaker 3>the incredible score for The Batman, so that it is

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<v Speaker 3>very likely that whatever happens in Moonnight Here will be

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<v Speaker 3>continued in this Marvel Halloween special that will kind of

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<v Speaker 3>establish more of the horror that has kind of been

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<v Speaker 3>introduced basically since the end of Eternal's My favorite movie,

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<v Speaker 3>everyone Else's worst movie.

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<v Speaker 1>That support I would go out. I'll say that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't actually think the MC has ever made a truly

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<v Speaker 1>bad movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I love the like good yeah, and well

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<v Speaker 3>the end of that movie spoiler alert, a certain character

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<v Speaker 3>Kit Harrington play by Kit Harrington.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Dame Whitman.

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<v Speaker 3>In the comics, he's known as the back Night. He

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<v Speaker 3>finds a magical sword that's evil and will turn anyone

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<v Speaker 3>into a killer. Very artifact heavy, which we'll get into

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<v Speaker 3>the importance of artifacts in our next trailer. And at

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<v Speaker 3>the end, Blade mhashell Ali is there and he says,

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<v Speaker 3>you know you're not ready for that, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that Moonnight will connect to that. We see him and

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<v Speaker 3>he's in the British Museum slash National Gallery. The Dame

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<v Speaker 3>Whitman character works in another museum in London and where

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<v Speaker 3>Off by Night will likely continue this kind of Midnight

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<v Speaker 3>Sun's Marvel Night's Horror team up expansion.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to Miss Marvel the Miss Marvel trailer. Get

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more up Lovely Q the next trailer,

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<v Speaker 1>Please Thank You take choice to have The Weekend is

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<v Speaker 1>the soundtrack. It's very cocaine heavy. Artist for a story

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<v Speaker 1>about it. It was like that coming of age.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, totally, it fits very well, but the

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<v Speaker 3>connotations are strange.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a wonderful trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so lovely.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So first off, I just want to say I

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<v Speaker 4>get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You get what? High school? Kamala Tamala another adventure shirt? Cute?

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<v Speaker 2>She thinks I'm some kind of weird how you were weird? Boys?

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me? Yeah, you're kind of on my shirt.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, but you're staring at the window in your little

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<v Speaker 4>fantasy land.

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala, Hey, already really like you.

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<v Speaker 5>I have to figure out my whole future before launchers.

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<v Speaker 2>Does something happen here?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you hear something?

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<v Speaker 1>What does it feel like?

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<v Speaker 2>Cosmic?

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<v Speaker 3>I always thought I wanted this kind of life, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Never imagined any of this. Do you even know what

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<v Speaker 2>you are?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a super heir out okay so much? I

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<v Speaker 1>love her too. Iman villani as the title character Miss Marvel,

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<v Speaker 1>created by Bishop kelis written for sex education really really

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<v Speaker 1>funny British sitcom Loki Four Weddings and a Funeral. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So in the comics, Miss Marvel it gets her powers

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<v Speaker 1>because of the explosion of a terrogen bomb which contained

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<v Speaker 1>the Tarrigan Mist, which is in humans' powers are unleashed. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>in that particular alien race. She is putting some bracelets

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<v Speaker 1>on which we think are the quantum bands.

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<v Speaker 2>Slash Nega band slash.

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<v Speaker 1>Nega bands, probably some sort of amalgamation of the two,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a pree artifact.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that something that's really telling in listening to

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<v Speaker 3>this trailer along with you guys that you luckily got

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<v Speaker 3>to watch, is when somebody asked her how it feels,

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<v Speaker 3>she says, cosmic, right, and the quantum bands are a

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<v Speaker 3>cosmic artifact that Eon, this kind of ancient space creature

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<v Speaker 3>in his daughter Epoch, would bestow among people that they

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<v Speaker 3>felt worthy to protect the universe. And in the quantum

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<v Speaker 3>band form, they take energy and manifest energy from the

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<v Speaker 3>quantum zone, which in the MCU exists as the quantum realm,

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<v Speaker 3>which we've seen in ant Man and the Wasp and

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<v Speaker 3>will likely play into the you know easily to remember

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<v Speaker 3>name a Man Quantumnia, quantum, quantum, quantum. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that is very much what we're seeing here, and

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<v Speaker 3>it allows her to manipulate matter, it seems so she

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<v Speaker 3>still has. If you've read those comics, you probably recognize

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<v Speaker 3>at the end the brilliant Jamie McKelvey cover from issue five,

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<v Speaker 3>where she's sitting.

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<v Speaker 2>On the lamp with the embiggend. And you see that

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<v Speaker 2>in big in Hand.

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<v Speaker 3>That's her big thing in bigg And from Simpson's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the famous Jedediah Springfield episode, and that's what she says.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, embiggan and her hand gets really big.

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<v Speaker 3>And and so they had to bring that aspect in

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<v Speaker 3>in a different way that isn't too close to read

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<v Speaker 3>Richard's from the Fantastic Four. Mister Fantastic, he's got those

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<v Speaker 3>elastic kind of powers in the comics.

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<v Speaker 2>Her powers are very similar.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think this is their way of doing

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<v Speaker 3>something that's a little bit different, a little bit more unique,

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<v Speaker 3>and a little bit more like comars.

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<v Speaker 1>So theory about where these bands come from. We saw

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<v Speaker 1>in you were talking in the green room about how

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<v Speaker 1>the ten Rings. It was like this ancient artifact turned out.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like alien shit. But and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be similar here, maybe from the time from

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I think this is I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a similar thing here where it's like a Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Ryder type figure escapes the destruction of a planet something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Right, it contains the power and wisdom of

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<v Speaker 1>this alien society, and somehow it was just like they

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<v Speaker 1>thought they were like cool bracelets or something. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>been in her family or it's been like kept by

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<v Speaker 1>some people because they thought they were just cool and

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<v Speaker 1>and she discovers them.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, So something that we talk about a lot

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<v Speaker 3>on just in general as friends and on the show

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<v Speaker 3>is Marvel and DC like love to rip each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Off, get one over it, whichever.

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<v Speaker 1>They never stopped doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Sanos is obviously the biggest example, but it's off from

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<v Speaker 3>Dark Side by the Moonlight Batman, you know, and and

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<v Speaker 3>Marvel did something incredibly small and savvy and lose sing.

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<v Speaker 3>They lost most of their characters because of licensing deals,

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<v Speaker 3>and they made Dan their cinematic bad guy before Dark Side,

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<v Speaker 3>So by the time Dark Side showed up in DC,

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<v Speaker 3>it looked derivative, right, So there is a big chance

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<v Speaker 3>that they're essentially going to Green Lantern. Kamala Kahan here

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<v Speaker 3>and in Green Lantern, you're chosen by the alien hal

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan's chosen because he's worthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Famously and begins his hands hand.

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<v Speaker 3>He's making a hand, He's making a hammer. He has

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<v Speaker 3>the power of full imagination. But it's always just the

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<v Speaker 3>giant hats every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, so I think that there's I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is going to be something where Kamala

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<v Speaker 3>is worthy to have the band. It's she could be

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<v Speaker 3>chosen herself, or something that I think could be really nice.

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<v Speaker 3>We see in this trailer of her sort of looking

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<v Speaker 3>she's either hiding them in a box or finding them

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<v Speaker 3>in a box in her attic. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the comic, which was created by Sana Armat Stephen Whacka,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The brilliant g Wilow Wilson.

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<v Speaker 3>Adrian Lfono was the first series artist, and Jamie McKelvey

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<v Speaker 3>designed that costume, so like, it's a really incredible stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And in those comics, a lot of the conflict comes

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<v Speaker 3>from Kamala and the legacy of being a superhero and

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<v Speaker 3>the legacy of being a Muslim teenager. And I would

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<v Speaker 3>love to see this kind of maybe these bands have

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<v Speaker 3>been in her family, maybe her grandma was someone that

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<v Speaker 3>the alien trusted to have them, but she didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>what they were, or she she wasn't interested.

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<v Speaker 2>In pursuing that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a really interesting potential of building a

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<v Speaker 3>legacy in because they made they designed these bracelets to

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<v Speaker 3>match Kamala's costume, which is a kind of like very

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<v Speaker 3>Muslim inspired outfit, and I think there's something really interesting

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<v Speaker 3>that we could see with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that I think that you're right in

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<v Speaker 1>that she will be chosen by whatever is in the bands. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly they weren't just thinking other people must have worn these,

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<v Speaker 1>so why didn't they access the powers? Okay, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is there are scenes in this trailer of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>black SUVs pulling up and what we you would imagine

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<v Speaker 1>or some sort of like government agency that is, we

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<v Speaker 1>saw Damage Control hunting hunting for these weapons. Are they

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<v Speaker 1>damage Controller? There's someone else? And then we see appearing

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<v Speaker 1>through the myst these here. It's very cheeky. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>recall the comics version Kamalakon. It's unleashed, her powers are

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<v Speaker 1>unleased by the deterriged myst Here we have these four

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<v Speaker 1>figures appearing out of a mist. Are they in humans

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<v Speaker 1>or someone else? I think that there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>two groups chasing mis con It's going to be some

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<v Speaker 1>governmental group, be it Damage Control or someone else. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this is again this is how this is cheating. But

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at the IMDb and there's an act of

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<v Speaker 1>plastic This is cheating, and we don't usually do this,

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<v Speaker 1>but so there's a character who is called a Nice

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<v Speaker 1>Agent ni Ce. Now recent Disney plus strat has been

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<v Speaker 1>to take like a minor minor minor minor like sub

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<v Speaker 1>henchmen of a minor villain and kind of blow them

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<v Speaker 1>up a little bit. So there is a character named

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<v Speaker 1>mister Nice who is like a henchman of arcade who

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<v Speaker 1>is famously an X Men villainy. So theory, mister Nice

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<v Speaker 1>or Nice is a group that is like damage control

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<v Speaker 1>is out here trying to find powered up stuff, mystical stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>ancient artifacts that contain who knows what, and is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to cobble those together for the purposes of evil shit.

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<v Speaker 1>And then later we will discover that the director of

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<v Speaker 1>Nice is this arcade figure.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you are onto something here, because so one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things that the Miss Marvel comic did really well,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of comics at this time, which was

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<v Speaker 3>the novel Now imprint, they did this really ground level storytelling,

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<v Speaker 3>brought to life kind of real issues. So there's a

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<v Speaker 3>great Miss Marvel arc about gentrification, but really the gentrification

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<v Speaker 3>is being done by Hydra.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's this kind of evil scheme.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after Strange had the same issue, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like demons that were trying to buy his uh buy

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<v Speaker 1>the Sanctum and turned it into like I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think, I think it would be one of those really

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful ones, like the It's like our giant, old, beautiful building.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that the Nice Agents, if that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a thing, it would be a really good if.

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<v Speaker 2>If if that would be a really good play.

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<v Speaker 3>On a current issue that America is having with ice

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<v Speaker 3>and taking ice. And in the comics Arcade in certain

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like the Might Carry Age of X I love

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Kerry is one of my favorite writers. In that

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<v Speaker 3>arcade runs a mutant prison where he's putting people with

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<v Speaker 3>who are mutants, and in that it's very extreme. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a dystopian world where Charles never existed, Charles Xavier psyclopists

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<v Speaker 3>killing people with the laser eyes like it's it they

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<v Speaker 3>maken kill his brother. It's very But a more grounded

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<v Speaker 3>version of that that would fit into your theory would

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<v Speaker 3>be if the Nice Agents were establishing something that we

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<v Speaker 3>know that MCU has to have going into the future,

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<v Speaker 3>if they want to introduce the X Men, which is

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<v Speaker 3>if the Nice Agents are trying to capture and stop

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<v Speaker 3>people who have powers. Then we can start building to

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<v Speaker 3>that idea that people with powers are oppressed, people with

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<v Speaker 3>powers are in danger, and that's when you have the

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<v Speaker 3>rise of Charles of Xavier or the rise of someone

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<v Speaker 3>like Magneto. So I think the nice Agents is a

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<v Speaker 3>very good theory. And also I think there's a chance

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<v Speaker 3>that there's some kind of alien. There's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of aliens who want the bands back.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, I think for our four figures who appear

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<v Speaker 1>out of the mist, I think that that is our

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<v Speaker 1>whether they're Cree or someone else, I think those are

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<v Speaker 1>our four aliens who are like, oh, the bands are

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<v Speaker 1>activated exactly, we GPS located it to Jericity. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>get them back. And I think those are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the people who, you know, teach miss Kahn about

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<v Speaker 1>the lineage of these bands and help her find her

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<v Speaker 1>place as a hero in this in this firmament. And

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<v Speaker 1>so are they Cree? Are they?

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<v Speaker 2>They are they allies? Are they enemies? Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Also, I think something we kind of haven't really impressed

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<v Speaker 3>upon enough is like if these are quantum bands or

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<v Speaker 3>Egga bands and are directly connected to the cree. It's

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<v Speaker 3>really nice because in the comics and in the show,

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<v Speaker 3>as you can see, like Kamala's biggest hero is Carol Danvers,

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<v Speaker 3>who is cree.

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<v Speaker 2>So it adds a really nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Layer and connection to the kind of hero who made

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<v Speaker 3>her want to be a hero.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the chances that they that this is how

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<v Speaker 1>they introduce in humans, like, not the ABC version of

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<v Speaker 1>the Humans, this is the MCU in Humans with good wigs.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be in the whigs. Don't don't give me

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<v Speaker 2>the trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>They made a show budget, They made show with majuicas

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<v Speaker 3>Prehensi hair, and they shaved their hair first.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that this space is changing quickly and that

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<v Speaker 1>the budgets are not like the budget numbers. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like what people are used to. But you just have

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<v Speaker 1>to spend a lot of money on ways if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>To, but you have to do.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I would have been of the mind for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time that we wouldn't see an inhuman. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think they're going to make Kmala an inhuman. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's out of the pitch. I think we have

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<v Speaker 3>seen that Kevin Feigee is not afraid of taking things

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<v Speaker 3>that have been in those ABC shows The Dark Cold,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and reintroducing them in a way that is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of to the MCU that kind of says this

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<v Speaker 3>could be the same thing, but also might not, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that is quite likely with a version

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<v Speaker 3>of the Inhumans.

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<v Speaker 1>So with if if are Nice Agent is related to

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<v Speaker 1>Arcade here again we're seeing the kind of sprinkling of

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<v Speaker 1>like X Men stuff into this universe, which raises a

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<v Speaker 1>question like how do the X Men appear? Which and

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<v Speaker 1>then you had a really isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>That the biggest question?

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<v Speaker 1>That is the huge question like is it going to be?

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<v Speaker 1>And question basically breaks down to two sub questions, which

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<v Speaker 1>is is it going to be all at once, like

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<v Speaker 1>quickly we're going to see them soon they're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>like pop in or are they gonna lay a ground

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<v Speaker 1>work where you understand about muting oppression, We understand about

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, Weapon X, they retcon the Super Social

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<v Speaker 1>Program and to being some sort of offshoot of Weapon X,

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<v Speaker 1>and actually like people have been experimented on brutally, not

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<v Speaker 1>just Isaiah Bradley for a long time. Logan is somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>like in a subject in Canada being like right now

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<v Speaker 1>being being even the.

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<v Speaker 3>Logan canon of the movie just titled Logan where they

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<v Speaker 3>have the kids in the Weapon X program.

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<v Speaker 2>That feels very empty.

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<v Speaker 3>Youish that feels like it could really be more existing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they do the Wanda mashing up of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wonder if I have seen recently a theory online.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot take credit. It's too good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sad I can't take credit because I love a

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<v Speaker 3>wild theory.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a theory online. It claims that.

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<v Speaker 3>The MCU as we know it is actually just a

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<v Speaker 3>house of m style projection that wanted to create it

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<v Speaker 3>to make a world without mutants. So once that shatters,

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<v Speaker 3>you would just have mutants existing in the world. That's

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<v Speaker 3>very cool. It would absolutely shake up the MCU. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if Kevin Faggy's ready to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Kevin Faggy ready to say all of this didn't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>but it isn't real. But here's the thing. Hasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>TVA already established that it's not real? Right? Exactly like

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<v Speaker 1>the introduction of the TVA already kind of said all

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<v Speaker 1>of this has happened before. We've been doing this endgame

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<v Speaker 1>the time heist, all that stuff has happened multiple times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just happening in cycles in a very controlled way,

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<v Speaker 1>and so.

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<v Speaker 2>All of it kind of didn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of exists or matter.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the most telling thing is like, so No

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<v Speaker 3>Way Home was kind of this unbelievable cultural phenomenon where

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<v Speaker 3>they somehow managed to recreate the anticipation and energy of

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<v Speaker 3>Endgame just a few years later without ten years leading right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the fact that they're already trying to

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<v Speaker 3>replicate that with Doctor Strange. Oh look it's Patrick Stewart,

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<v Speaker 3>Like who else could be in the Illuminati? I think

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<v Speaker 3>they really want you said a really good thing where

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<v Speaker 3>you were like, they're making they're forcing the team up

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<v Speaker 3>movies because they don't have the teams. And I think

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.800
<v Speaker 3>that aspect where they want to have that moment spoiler

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<v Speaker 3>alert where Charlie Cox catches the brick and you know

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<v Speaker 3>that's stared devil and they want be able to scream

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<v Speaker 3>and you want to say, you want to see someone

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<v Speaker 3>being like I want to see Charles Xavier and then

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<v Speaker 3>he walks through. They want those moments And that makes

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<v Speaker 3>me think as much as for a long time I

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<v Speaker 3>thought Kang Jonathan Major's I Love You Kang, I love

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<v Speaker 3>you like I'm ready for that. I thought that meant

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<v Speaker 3>we were getting five years of Fantastic four Galactus so sad.

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<v Speaker 1>A long time, especially in the current that's tim where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, World War three years.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I think that.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that that Fantastic four and then maybe you'd

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<v Speaker 3>get the ex Men in five years, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we'd get a little San Diego comic con.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd play like no. Now, I actually think like, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's fast.

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<v Speaker 1>I think fast.

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<v Speaker 3>I talked to Strange and the multi us madness could

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 3>just shake up everything and we could learn that MCU

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<v Speaker 3>is a projection, or we could suddenly we could have

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<v Speaker 3>that moment that a lot of fans have thought, let

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.639
<v Speaker 3>there be mutants, like, let there be people with powers

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 3>instead of no more.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming around to that too, because I I was

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 1>firmly during uh, you know, Falcon in the Winter Soldier era,

0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 1>which feels like a million years ago, but I think

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 1>it was only like ten twelve months ago, some months ago.

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I was pretty convinced, Okay, they're gonna like they're gonna, uh,

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna kind of lay this, you know, lay the

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>ground work, make us understand that like after you know,

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Civil War and the Accords and all and and the

0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 1>blip that people are like, actually, maybe powered people are

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:58.760
<v Speaker 1>really bad. Yeah, and everything has been really shitty since

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>they appeared, and like, and public opinion will turn against them,

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and then you will have a government program against powered people,

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And then you will have the X Men

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<v Speaker 1>appear in that in that context. And now I think

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 1>we don't We don't really have the Team Up movie now.

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like they've they've made the various standalone

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<v Speaker 1>movies into Team Upe movies.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 1>They've been doing that for a while with like Captain

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>America Civil War, but they're they're really doing it now

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>with Uh, with Noay Home, with Quantum Mania, with Doctor Strange.

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:29.640
<v Speaker 1>You're all going to be Team Up movies. But where

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 1>is the actual team team? We don't have an Avengers

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 1>team Fantastic four on the horizon. But I feel like

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>they will introduce the X Men sooner than we think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so too, especially because our next team is

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<v Speaker 3>probably going to be the Young Avengers in whatever guys,

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 3>whether they call them the West Coast Avengers, whether they

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 3>call them the Young Avengers, but that could be in

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Disney plus TV. That could be in a movie maybe,

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:57.160
<v Speaker 3>but I think the broadness of it is probably fantastic

0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 3>for and X Men at the same time, and some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of slash versus Avengers or situation or Secret Wars,

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 3>which we've been saying could happen for a long time,

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.360
<v Speaker 3>like that's the big and if you bring Fantastic four

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 3>and then you can.

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Do secret Wars really easily.

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll just say that as a as a comic fan,

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>this has been a fantastic period of my life. To

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>go to me seriously, it's been really great. But and

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I've loved every second of it. But if when they

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>bring in the X Men, I will lose my shit,

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I know, lose it.

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to think about it. I'll truly receive it.

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean I'll lose it.

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 2>I know this is gonna make a lot of people

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 2>in there. I feel really old or really young. Dude,

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that X Men movie came out twenty two years ago.

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 1>That ship old.

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 2>That feels to me like that feels.

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 3>To me still like a real It's like, oh, that's

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 3>when superhero movie started, Sam Raimi Spider Man, you know,

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>That's two decades ago. Like that there is time for

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 2>a new X Men movie.

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I truly lose casting the.

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Moment that we see I know we're going on an

0:27:58.359 --> 0:27:59.959
<v Speaker 3>X Men tangum, but we both love the X Men,

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 3>so it's fine, who what do you think? Okay, So

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 3>when the MC comes, do you think it's gonna be

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 3>my choice? I know my choice is giant size? But

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 3>do you think they're gonna do classic five giant size?

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, I think that it has to be. I

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:15.919
<v Speaker 1>think you have to have Cyclops. I think you have

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>to have storms, so it's giants. You have to have Wolverine, right,

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>and I think he's going to be a very important

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>character that ties in a lot of like the Super

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Soldier program, like actually grounds it in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that you already happened, Like we'll find out

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.679
<v Speaker 1>that actually there were offshoots to the Super Soldier program,

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>and Logan is part of that but also a mutant.

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think you have to have obviously, Charles Magneto's

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>got to be in there as like the foil And

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>then I don't who do you think?

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 2>No, I think you're right. I just to me, I

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>think that's the way you believe.

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know I love.

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 3>I think I think the most realistic version is a

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 3>melding of Giants right and of ninety two, because.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>That is the same film people grew up with.

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 3>I also think that if we look at how the

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 3>MCU is now, there is a space to have multiple iterations,

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Like you can have a younger class who are in

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:16.479
<v Speaker 3>Charles's school or Storm school.

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe Storm will be the headmistress. We don't know where.

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Introducing Charles and specifically Magneto in this timeline with the

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.719
<v Speaker 3>sliding timeline is a very complex proposition and they're going

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 3>to have to work really hard to work out how

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 3>to make it work. So there's I think there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of different ways where we could see different generations

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 3>of them. I think Storm might actually be the first

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 3>X men that they introduce because they have she has

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 3>such a deep connection to Black Panther. I do not

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 3>want Storm to get married to Black Panther, by the way,

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 3>I was not a fan of that storyline.

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's how it should be done.

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 3>But she has a brilliant connection to Wakanda, and that

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 3>would be such a great space to introduce her in

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Wakanda Forever, where we're going to be potentially going to

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 3>the Savage Land.

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 2>We're going to potentially be meeting nay More.

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I think Storm is such an iconic character and such

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 3>a beloved X Men and also a beloved hero and right,

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 3>I think.

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 2>She could be off off ust major X man that

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 2>we meet.

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. Uh, this was a really fun segment,

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and now we should move on because I think how

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>much time do we have left? God, the half of it.

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Half of it was just talking about both of those

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 3>things are relative to the multivast side.

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Great when we're back more multiverse. Okay, so let's talk

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>about multiverses. Then let's talk about multiverses, parallel universes, all

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>this stuff that is happening. Uh. First of all, let's

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>talk about our favorite multiverses. The multiverse is really it's

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 1>a fascinating construct in that it is a way to

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 1>basically cheat and include like every iteration of every character

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 1>that you want. You can have them fight against each other.

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Both DC and Marvel have their versions of the multiverse.

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I think DC's is fascinating in that it's an outgrowth

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>of just the way the comics industry existed at the time.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>You had all these different creators creating comics at a

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<v Speaker 1>super super fast clips.

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 3>A month, so many comics coming out every week, and

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 3>there were so many different creators that was no cohesive.

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 1>There is no overarching like soditor. And so you had

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>like a Superman over here doing this, and then you

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>had a younger Superman.

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 3>And you had Superman in Lowis Layton, Superman's girlfriend, and

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 3>you had and then you had Dark Knight Batman. You know,

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 3>you had all these different versions of the characters, and

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 3>DC created the multiverse as a way to explain it away, right.

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>And so then you have that you have Crisis on

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Infinite Earth's, which is DC's attempt to be like, Okay,

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 1>we got to like team this somehow by creating like

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>this massive multiversal war so we can.

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 3>Stream line into one timeline where we can control whatever

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 3>what is going on.

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about it. What are our favorite favorite

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>multi versus? Would you like to start?

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I will?

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 3>I will start just because it's on the topic of

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 3>what my I love the Marvel multiverse, because the Marvel

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Multiverse in the comics is one of my absolute favorite things,

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 3>which is something that is almost entirely defined by fans.

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 3>Fans were the people who created the Earth designations. You know,

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 3>you've heard of Earth six one six. You've got the

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 3>Earth where there's zombie Marvel stuff happened, You've got that.

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 3>And these were actually fans who were like, this, we're

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna call it this like the first mention of six

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 3>one six, which we know, we use it as an

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 3>offhand term for the main Marvel universe. That's kind of

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 3>controversial in the comics but has been used as a

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 3>joke in the movies. That was actually from an Alan

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Moore comic, like a Captain Britain thing.

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 2>It was an.

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 3>Offhanded mention, and fans latched onto it and they were like,

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 3>that's the main Marvel universe. And to me, that constant

0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>conversation between fans and creators is what makes this stuff exciting.

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 2>So I love that Marvel had.

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 3>This messy world where there's so many different versions of

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 3>their characters and all these different teams, and fans just

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 3>started organizing it for them, to the point where Marvel

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, yeah, that's right.

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 2>They were the multiverse.

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what's We were so hard to create all

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 3>these different asks for you.

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>You're so lucky. And I think that.

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Is just so cool and Also I love that because

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 3>of that, we get stories that actually play into the multiverse.

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 3>We talk a lot about secret wars like the Jason

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Arrow and Asad Ribbik big stuff, and like that is

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 3>so fun where I'll never forget, Like that spoiler alert.

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 3>The story is like they're trying to get They're trying

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 3>to make everything part of this main universe, so they're

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 3>going to destroy all these other worlds, right.

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>And the way that they showed at.

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 3>The end, what they really wanted to do was bring

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 3>Males Morales into the main Marvel universe because he's brilliant

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 3>and they knew. So what they did was they on

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 3>the final page turn Miles wakes up. He's in that universe,

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 3>and they changed the lettering style.

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 2>That's all it was.

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 3>It went from mixed case to caps, which is what

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 3>they do in the main Marvel universe. And I remember

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 3>reading that and being like, oh my god, Like I

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 3>know that he is in this world now, and I

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:19.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of love the way that it gives creators a

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 3>control over, Like.

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 2>This was really cool. And it was meant to just

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 2>be this.

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Throwaway thing or it's meant to only exist in the

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Ultimate Universe, but I love it. So actually they jumped

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 3>through a multiversal portal and guess what, now they're in

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:31.760
<v Speaker 3>the main MCU.

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 2>Like that to me is very powerful and fun.

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I love Secret War, Secret Wars, the c Aburbic version

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 1>of Secret Wars, because it's basically like the Illuminati, this

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>collection of dudes in the most powerful Dudes, the power

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Dudes of the Marvel Universe, were like, Okay, nobody can

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>know what's happening with these incursions, like various parallel universes

0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 1>are crashing into ours. How do we fix this? I know,

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>we kill everyone, we totally destroy their entire reality, and

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 1>but we don't. We can't tell anybody we're doing this

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 1>because they'll be mad at us. Captain America understandably, we'll

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 1>be super mad. So we're just gonna do it. And

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:15.719
<v Speaker 1>this results in the Secret War, And it's basically like

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 1>this entire crossover was just like the Power Dudes of

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the MCU fucked up.

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you end up with like God Emperor Do,

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 3>which is like the most badass name villain.

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Of all time.

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 3>But I just I think that I love that the

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Marvel one is kind of as much created by random

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.839
<v Speaker 3>creators making all these different stories in an age where

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 3>comics were coming out, you know, hundreds of thousands of

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 3>comics every year, and it was sort of shaped by

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:42.440
<v Speaker 3>fans being like, well, we need this to make sense,

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 3>and Marvel was just like, yeah, that's what we meant

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 3>to do.

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:46.879
<v Speaker 2>Like that to me, is so cool about what's one

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 2>of your faves.

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Into the Spider Verse was just like, I mean, it's

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 1>just a adrenaline shot of a movie that is so so,

0:35:56.400 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 1>so so fun. They did the Multiverse before them, so

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:02.320
<v Speaker 1>you managed to do it, which is great.

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 3>They likely introduced the Multiverse to mass audiences. That is,

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 3>most people's understanding of the Multiverse is through that beautifully

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 3>made movie.

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a heart wrenching movie that hits your that

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>hits your feelings when you least expected to do that.

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 1>It is a adrenaline shot of a movie with like

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>some of the most insane action, and I mean, when

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Miles does his leap, it is like you want to

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:31.839
<v Speaker 1>erupt out of the out of your seat. It's so

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>so fun.

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 3>It also did one of the things that I think

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 3>these kind of stories can do so well, where like

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 3>this is a random kind of comparison, but in New

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 3>X Men, the Grand Marrison Frank quietly. But they introduced

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 3>this different version of Cyclops who's kind of flawed, and

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 3>that was the first time I liked Cyclops, and.

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was I think he's like too much

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 2>of a much of a god boy for me.

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 3>But like I like the I like the flowed like

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 3>he's having a psychic affair, and I think that something

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Spider Verse does that's so brillian.

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 3>It takes the You know, we've always seen Peter Parker.

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:07.800
<v Speaker 3>He's emotional, he's this ground level hero. You can relate

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:09.959
<v Speaker 3>to him, anyone can be like him, but he still

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 3>has this kind of sheen of a young boy who

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 3>doesn't really he doesn't really make mistakes, but he's always

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 3>putting his family at risk.

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 2>But I loved the version of Peter B.

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 3>Parker where you actually got to see what does it

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 3>do to you when you have always put your family

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.360
<v Speaker 3>at risk and you've always like sacrificed your life and

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 3>it just doesn't work out Like that was one of

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 3>the most unexpectedly like hilarious also like heart wrenching things

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 3>that they introduced in that movie.

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>The other thing I love about Multiverse is just like

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about it in a little bit here, but

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 1>how much Marvel and DC just rip each other off shamelessly.

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's like part of the dynamic of liking this

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff is just being okay with the fact that, like,

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:51.399
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna say it's one of my favorites, right

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 3>because it's not necessarily.

0:37:58.800 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Something I go back to all the time.

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 3>But like I will say that in the fun of

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 3>the ripping off conversation that most of the reason that

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 3>anyone who just randomly watches TV or isn't really into

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 3>comics knows what a multiverse is is because of the

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 3>CW shows.

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 2>But you've been doing a.

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Multiverse for like ten years, and now Marvel came in

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, hey, we're doing a multiverse, and everyone's like,

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, wow, And I'm just like, you guys

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.760
<v Speaker 3>are so cheeky. Like the cub has literally been seeding

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 3>this stuff with like moms who love Green Arrow and

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 3>people who don't necessarily read comics.

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 2>They had a crisis on Infinite Earth's event where they.

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 3>Literally whatever, yeah, you know what I mean, And then

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 3>when they did the TV version, they literally had people

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 3>from the movies come to the TV and that was

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 3>like so groundbreaking, even if you know it's a little

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 3>bit corny, it's it's its own world. But like, I

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 3>just think it's so interesting that how these kind of

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 3>things feed off of each other.

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just so many people.

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:56.880
<v Speaker 3>Their understanding of that is probably because oh yeah, I

0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:59.839
<v Speaker 3>remember that one episode of that of Arrow. I mean

0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 3>they had stuff in the c W. I think one

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 3>of the most interesting things that DC has always done.

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.760
<v Speaker 3>They the old thing that we used to say, Marvel

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 3>movie is terrible in the nineties. You know, it was

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.359
<v Speaker 3>Captain America. I love that bad Captain American movie.

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 5>You'd be like DC though, in the Hulk Special or

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 5>even you know, even the Fox you know, Da Devil

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 5>Elektra bring Me to life one of the best scenes

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:23.879
<v Speaker 5>of a movie of all time.

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Not for the right not for the right reason.

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 3>But like we used to say, the Marvel movies, those

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 3>are bad, but the DC animated movies that's what superhero

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 3>movies should be. And because of that, because DC knew

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 3>the quality of those, they have always basically aligned that

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 3>those movies can exist in a multiversal space next to

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 3>their other stuff.

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And with the CW stuff.

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Something I found really interesting was they actually had characters

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 3>and storylines that they were doing in animated stuff that

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 3>would enter into the CW live action shows, and the

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 3>canon of the cartoons would be in there. So I

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 3>just think it's really interesting how this kind of stuff

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 3>is really experimental and it's becoming really mainstream. But it's

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 3>been something that's been in the conversation for a really

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 3>long time.

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Really really long time. What's your next favorite multiverse?

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:13.319
<v Speaker 2>My next favorite multiverse? There's so many, there's a multiverse

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 2>of multiverses. I'm going to bring up one.

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 3>It's so silly, but we were talking about yesterday, and

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 3>I love talking about like bad movies. So I when

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:26.799
<v Speaker 3>I was a kid, I watched Cube and it is

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:31.720
<v Speaker 3>a weird horror movie about these people stuck in torture cube.

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 2>But it's very terrifying.

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 3>It was a big influence on like Saw, for example,

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 3>because it's all filmed in one room. But one of

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 3>the sequels, Cube Zero, is a string theory film about

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 3>multiverses where every cube is living alongside each other in

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 3>a different universe of its own, and it's it's absolutely

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 3>mind blowing and just completely ridiculous. But that's one of

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 3>my favorites because I'm like that's the most horrific version

0:40:57.840 --> 0:40:58.840
<v Speaker 3>of a multiverse we know.

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Multi versus is, Oh, here's a different version.

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 3>Of this character we love, and in this one they're

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 3>a bit silly, or they wear a different costume. And

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 3>in this one, it's like in every multiverse, in every universe,

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 3>you are just stuck in a torture cube.

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>It's just horrible.

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna pick DC Crisis on Infinite Earth

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>just because it was the classic and it's interesting because

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>like when you think about the big crossover events of

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 1>that era between Marvel and DC, it's like so emblematic

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.800
<v Speaker 1>about like the cultures of those two companies. DC Crisis

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>on Infinite Earth's was all about, we've got all this

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 1>crazy cannon that doesn't make sense, and we just need

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to like actually go in and garden and like make

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 1>it all make sense, because so what a creative team.

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Marvelfman George Press.

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 1>That's like George Pres the that's the stuff. And then

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>and then you had Secret Wars, which was literally just

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 1>like how do we okay, cash grab time, let's go

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Marvel's Secret Wars, which I loved as a kid, and

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:55.879
<v Speaker 1>then in retrospect was.

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Not It's it's a toy. It was to sell toys.

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 3>There's actually toys that went along with it where that

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 3>are really cool.

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like Spider Man, he has this weird wheel toy.

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 3>It's like a vehicle that he would be in in

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 3>each of the issues that stuff. Though, I have a

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 3>Secret Wars coloring book, which is one of my prized possessions,

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 3>lots of Kang coloring in there. So actually that's a

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 3>very It's a cash grab, but it's now a relevant

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 3>cash grab, you.

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Know, it's it is quite irrelevant where not to deraalist,

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>but Kang, like where is he?

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 2>He's everywhere?

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Where is where are we gonna? It's interesting because it's

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>like Fanos, you kind of understood where he would appears.

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>It's hard because.

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Like you feel like where was Kang in no way

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 3>home right, It just makes it seems like he would

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 3>have been there, So I think, I think he's got

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 3>to be somewhere pulling some strings, maybe having a Thanos

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 3>style end credit scene in Multiverse of Madness, because it

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 3>feels like if that is a multiversal story and we're

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 3>talking about these timelines being out of control or Stephen

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.280
<v Speaker 3>messing things up as he always does Kang is probably

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.239
<v Speaker 3>somewhere like this fucking guy again, like what the fuck

0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 3>is wrong with him? Like he just can't stay in

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 3>his fan see bougie New York apartment and behave in Steven.

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>If you can't rearrange reality with a kid talking to you,

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:10.360
<v Speaker 1>don't do it.

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 2>It's not odd, like if.

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 1>You're you know, like, if you can't do it while

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>someone's saying stuff to you, then just stop and don't

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 1>mess with it. That's yeah, just all I'm saying, Stephen, Uh,

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.879
<v Speaker 1>your classic you know, the humorist of this man, it's

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 1>it's he's.

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 2>He's the king of Hubris. That's the problem. Uh, your

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:30.720
<v Speaker 2>next Okay, I'm gonna go for it. I can't believe

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 2>neither of us said it. You actually days of future past.

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna take that as my next. One day's

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 1>a future post.

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 3>One of my favorite things about this is a incredible

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:42.240
<v Speaker 3>story arc. You know, this thing changes the Marvel Universe

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 3>in like two issues.

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 1>It's two issues, Like if that was today, they'd be

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:51.279
<v Speaker 1>like a ten issue limited series like multiple spin off yeah,

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.840
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like and they'd have like a point

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.760
<v Speaker 1>five issues that would like zero zero.

0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Like no, I I love that stuff.

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean unbelievable like Iconic Creator team Chris Clairemont, John Bamboo, Tomato, Tomatow.

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 7>Terry Austin, like but just like unbelievable stuff also created

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:15.760
<v Speaker 7>a blog and he ruined it for everyone anyway, bad vibes.

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 2>But those two issues are so great and I love that.

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 3>You know that famous cover where it's like they're all

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 3>dead and everyone's dead. I spoke to Luis Simonson, who's

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 3>Iconic X Men Create Us Death of Superman Creator X

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 3>Men editor, and she had just randomly thought that was

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 3>like a funny joke to put on. She was like,

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:34.320
<v Speaker 3>that would be great when that'd be a great design,

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's one of the coolest things. It

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 3>sums up one of the best things. That book was

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 3>not made to create a multiverse. That was just a

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 3>cool time travel story, but the impact of the story

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 3>led to other creators saying, oh, well, what would the

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.720
<v Speaker 3>other versions of this be? What would have happened because

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:54.759
<v Speaker 3>of these two issues, And that I think is the

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 3>summation of what makes the multiverse so cool. It's a

0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 3>cool idea for these things that are seen as disposable,

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 3>that are printed on the cheapest paper that are bought

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 3>by kids and are meant to be forgotten, but their

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 3>impact is so much longer. And then something like Days

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 3>of Future Past can become like a key moment in

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:13.080
<v Speaker 3>all of Marvel history because everyone else is like, wait,

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:14.799
<v Speaker 3>but I want to know, like what happens to the

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:16.920
<v Speaker 3>people in that timeline, like, and then you get so

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 3>many different characters from that.

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I just I just think it's brilliant.

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:21.919
<v Speaker 1>We should probably move on because we're like against the clock,

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>but I think so those are our top three. But

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I will say this one thing that I will soft

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 1>prediction they'll do an age of Ultron. Ultron will come

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:36.440
<v Speaker 1>back at some point. I think I Altron is in space,

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 1>he uploaded his consciousness into whatever machines.

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:44.840
<v Speaker 3>We see those ultron esque bots. He will some madness trailer,

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:48.479
<v Speaker 3>which I would say, if we imagine that kill Monger

0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:50.319
<v Speaker 3>is one of the Illuminati who we see or one

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 3>of the group we see in the trailer, then those

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 3>are probably his Ultron bots. Bring back James Spader, Bring

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 3>back James Spader. I love James Spader, I love James

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Vader's Ultron. I will be happy to hear his dulcet

0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:03.840
<v Speaker 3>tones once again telling us.

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:04.959
<v Speaker 2>The Internet destroyed the world.

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:07.359
<v Speaker 1>When we're back more of our live show at south

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 1>By Southwest. Okay, let's go to some mail bag questions.

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:26.560
<v Speaker 1>This is from Jamie. After watching the Doctor Strange trailer

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and thinking about WandaVision, Loki, what If, and No Way Home,

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just confused about the origin of the MCU multiverse.

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Perfect first question for this. I had assumed that it

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 1>all began with Sylvie, but there doesn't seem to be

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>any connection between that and No Way Home. Do you

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>think we'll see any kind of connections drawn in Multiverse

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.239
<v Speaker 1>of Madness? Between all the multiverse pieces we've seen so far,

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:47.360
<v Speaker 1>are they connected somehow or did three people want to

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>silly Strange just happen to mess with it at the

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 1>same time, Also wondering how the Watcher and the TVA

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:53.800
<v Speaker 1>can exist. Great question.

0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:59.240
<v Speaker 3>This is the biggest question right of the novel moment,

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 3>because it seems like No Way Home would be the

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.359
<v Speaker 3>place where you would feel the ramifications of.

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Loki and your oh, all these worlds, but they seem

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 2>to close it.

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.840
<v Speaker 3>And my understanding is from reports that Noey Home was

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 3>originally meant to come out after Doctor Strange. So I

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.919
<v Speaker 3>think that that changed the storyline of what was meant

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:21.839
<v Speaker 3>to happen where I'm assuming that whatever happened in Doctor

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Strange was meant to lead to that multiversal.

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:26.879
<v Speaker 2>Kind of explosion in No Way Home.

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.840
<v Speaker 3>I think it does all start with Sylvie and the

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 3>TVA because we know that what if only exists and

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.399
<v Speaker 3>we know what if even though people thought it wasn't

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 3>going to play much of a big part, we can

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 3>see now that they were seeding a lot of big.

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Stuff in Doctor Strange.

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 1>That unleashed the true multi It was like, think of

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it as like a bonsai tree.

0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 2>But it was in a loop before and now it's

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 2>in the In.

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 1>The pre Sylvie, pre Loky fashion, it was like very

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 1>constrained in this very curated kind of fashion, and now

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:00.319
<v Speaker 1>it's just like wild.

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and what we see in everything we see and

0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 3>what if is coming from those trees that kind of

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 3>swirl off what I'm really interested to see it to

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:13.080
<v Speaker 3>kind of what I want answered in along with Jamie

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 3>in kind of Doctor Strange too.

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Is so like, is he in trouble for what he did?

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 2>In No Way Home?

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 3>Is he in trouble because a different universe version of

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 3>him messed around with the timeline to try and bring

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 3>back Christine and he's having to pay for it. Like

0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I think hopefully Multiverse of Manas is going to give

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 3>us those answers of how this kind of all coalesces

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 3>because also kind of like what we were saying about

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Days of Future Past.

0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I think part of it is they kind of throw

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 2>stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Yeah, what

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 2>did people?

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Most?

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Loki and Sylvia are the ones that people really gravitated to,

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:45.439
<v Speaker 3>so it's probably them.

0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>And listen, a classic classic Doctor Strange DNA is he

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 1>gets very very powerful and he fucks something up and

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:55.920
<v Speaker 1>then they have to depower him and he has to

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>learn his lesson and then he does it again. It

0:48:57.880 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 1>looks like that's why we're going, and I think that's

0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 1>exactly where we're going. Is like that, you know, like listen, Uh,

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 1>he's not the source of Supreme anymore, which I think

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 1>is a great choice.

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes, one is always meant to be.

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Stephen a wild guy, but I think, as we saw,

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, with with Spider Man, here he is messing

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:19.720
<v Speaker 1>with the multiverses.

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:21.839
<v Speaker 2>He should kid get into help.

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 1>He's right to help a kid get into college.

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.800
<v Speaker 2>It's not college scandal, Stephen.

0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>And again with what I think is brilliant about like

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the characterization here is it was ostensibly to get a

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.240
<v Speaker 1>kid into college, but really it was because, like Stephen

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Strange wanted to do it is an egomaniac. Oh, that

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 1>sounds really cool, alter reality.

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Try everyone on.

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a very very responsible thing that I

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 1>can do.

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:50.799
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:55.240
<v Speaker 1>And then and this caused all of this, so, uh,

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:58.280
<v Speaker 1>what about the fine question the Watcher. Can the Watcher

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.120
<v Speaker 1>and the TVA co exist? Yeah?

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they can co exist.

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 3>I think the idea of the Watcher so I get.

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.720
<v Speaker 3>I think the Watcher is very intriguing to people because

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:10.080
<v Speaker 3>like in the show, he has this really clearly defined

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 3>omnipient on the opposent kind of space.

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 2>But in the comics again just the funny like narrative

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 2>device that used to introduce these different.

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Comics and then has come on to have more of

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.399
<v Speaker 3>a person kind of persona. So I think he can

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 3>exist because the idea is he actually exists outside of

0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 3>space and time.

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 2>The Watcher is almost a god in that way.

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't the TVA can exist and be pruning, but

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:31.320
<v Speaker 3>the Watcher's just watching him being like oh, they shouldn't

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:31.719
<v Speaker 3>be prune in.

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 2>But he doesn't do anything, He's not like that's a

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:34.400
<v Speaker 2>bad idea.

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Sarah asks I was listening to a recent interview with

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Anita Hill where she mentioned that she was a fan

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of Stanley and always wanted him to make a superhero

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 1>character based on her, and honestly, who deserves to be

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:46.879
<v Speaker 1>mortalized as a superhero more than a need a Hill.

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:49.719
<v Speaker 1>It made me wonder whether Marvel or comics generally ever

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 1>did depict real historical people events all the time.

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they love to do that.

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 1>They love to do that, like presidents Jimmy Carter is

0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 1>it's so ready like.

0:50:57.600 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 2>They did a lot.

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:00.839
<v Speaker 3>But when Obama got in, they made like a bunch

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 3>of Obama covers and stuff for.

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Some really really in retrospect cringe worthy like reactions to

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven.

0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:11.879
<v Speaker 3>And that's like a very famous Marvel did a very

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:14.680
<v Speaker 3>famous anthology about that that is touch and go.

0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe let this before we just like jump into this.

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean they were really into that.

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 3>And there's even like there's even kind of precedent for

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:34.239
<v Speaker 3>comics throughout history where publishers have just done comics that

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 3>are like biographical comic issues about famous people.

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.720
<v Speaker 2>So, yes, that's a good question, and it is true.

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 3>And now that you know it's true, you probably notice

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:43.200
<v Speaker 3>it when you're going through a back issue and you'll

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:44.919
<v Speaker 3>be like, Lol, why is this person in here?

0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's see one more and then we'll go to the audience.

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:54.960
<v Speaker 1>If you had Infinity Gauntlet control over the MCU, and

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 1>it would be dangerous one thing, casting, story effects, etc.

0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:00.520
<v Speaker 1>What would that be for y'all? If X Men Dark

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Phoenix six blakes in nineteen ninety two, and he assumed

0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that since the original X Men came out in two thousand,

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 1>it must have taken place roughly at the same timeframe,

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 1>what do you think could have caused Xavier and Magneta

0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:11.239
<v Speaker 1>to age so much?

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 2>The big question?

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so if you had Infinity Gauntlet ConTroll over the

0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 1>MCU and can change one thing?

0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so would I have like my real answer on

0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:23.279
<v Speaker 3>like a very small like could happen would probably be like,

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:26.880
<v Speaker 3>I think Emily Blunt was originally meant to place Black Widow,

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 3>and I think that would have been very cool. But

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:30.600
<v Speaker 3>if I had real Infinity go on the thing they

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 3>mentioned the wet effects, if I could click I would

0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 3>make every effect in the MCU practical.

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 2>That would be my thing.

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 3>I would be like, all in camera, in camera, build

0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:41.920
<v Speaker 3>a set I want to see.

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 2>I want to see no green screen, right, that'd.

0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Be surprised, actual silly string come out of like a

0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 1>like an honestly shooter.

0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to see Kevin Faige in an ultimate universe.

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:54.280
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I didn't know we could do CG instead

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:56.240
<v Speaker 3>of saying I didn't know we could shoot on location.

0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 3>So I'm like, yeah, I want everything to be in camera.

0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 3>That's that pract that's the way to go. That's the MCUISH.

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know, gosh, what would I do. I

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 1>would probably if I had MCU, I would bring I

0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 1>would find a way to get the X Men in

0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 1>like earlier, and I would have more like Weapon X,

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:22.440
<v Speaker 1>which is the program that created Woverine. I would have

0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:26.040
<v Speaker 1>more clues about that. I would more. I would tie

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.080
<v Speaker 1>it directly to the Super sold such.

0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:31.160
<v Speaker 3>A foundational part of introducing like heroes and mutants.

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:34.759
<v Speaker 1>While and I would have I would have like him

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:41.879
<v Speaker 1>a picture of Logan like hanging in some flashback of

0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:44.440
<v Speaker 1>the Super Soldier program where it's like, oh yeah, the

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Canadian version of Captain America. It never really worked out.

0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:50.319
<v Speaker 1>He went psychotic and we had to lock him in

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a cell somewhere after we bombed out. Yeah, and so

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.040
<v Speaker 1>that's what I would do, because that is I can't

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I just can't wait for the X Men to come

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to the Marvel Universe. Okay, let's go to does anybody

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:04.040
<v Speaker 1>do you have a question?

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:07.200
<v Speaker 3>You can stand behind the microphone if you cared to ask,

0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:09.680
<v Speaker 3>thank you, no brave question.

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:12.759
<v Speaker 6>So I'm going to age myself a little bit. My

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:14.839
<v Speaker 6>dad was a fan of the ninety two X Men.

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a great, great parenting.

0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:21.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm watching it for the first time, and especially

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:24.399
<v Speaker 6>with the X Men ninety two announcement, I'm trying to ask,

0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 6>like every person on TikTok or like in the comic space,

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.880
<v Speaker 6>what do you think the like continuity or implications of

0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 6>the ninety two reboot or remake or whatever, What's what's

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.000
<v Speaker 6>the canonicity? What's that going to do to the MCU,

0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:41.719
<v Speaker 6>especially with also the Doctor Strange rumor that he's going

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 6>to be in like the chair from the Profession in

0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:45.879
<v Speaker 6>the Chair.

0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 3>So my understanding of the show is that it's going

0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 3>to directly continue from when ninety two, and so I

0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:58.440
<v Speaker 3>think that I love that question because I would hope

0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 3>I think think that canon wise, I don't necessarily know

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:05.720
<v Speaker 3>that the MCU wants to get into like animation being canon,

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.400
<v Speaker 3>but I do think that the reason they're doing this

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.440
<v Speaker 3>show right now is to reintroduce the X.

0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:14.800
<v Speaker 2>A new audience maybe.

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Didn't grow up with it, and to yeah, exactly, you're

0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:23.120
<v Speaker 3>you're the target, and basically to something that me and

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:24.879
<v Speaker 3>Jason have talked about a lot about why we think

0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:26.879
<v Speaker 3>that show works, why the Spider Man animated series works,

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:28.279
<v Speaker 3>why Batman animated series works.

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 2>They basically condensed.

0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 3>These really famous arcs.

0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Sentinels. Suddenly, that's twenty two minutes. You know.

0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:39.759
<v Speaker 3>It's this really condensed form of storytelling where you can

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:42.439
<v Speaker 3>do a lot of exposition and introduction. So I think

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:44.719
<v Speaker 3>that what we see in X Men ninety seven, I

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:46.759
<v Speaker 3>think it's going to be called we should look to

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:50.239
<v Speaker 3>that as probably very telling about what's going to be

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:52.400
<v Speaker 3>in the mcux men movies.

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:57.920
<v Speaker 4>Guys, great to see it, Okay, nice to be here.

0:55:58.000 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 4>Nice to see you guys too.

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Just two quick questions. The first one, now that we're getting.

0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:04.440
<v Speaker 4>Further and further away from World War two, which is

0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:10.680
<v Speaker 4>anchored in time, but our culture is moving, like is

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 4>it time when the X Men come in to just

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:16.840
<v Speaker 4>rebuild that whole story? Take it away from that. Wolverine

0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:18.840
<v Speaker 4>can obviously can be around forever, but you know, do

0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:20.960
<v Speaker 4>should that all be reinterpreted the way they did in

0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:24.360
<v Speaker 4>the Ultimate Universe? And then second question, I miss Cap

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 4>and Tony in the MCU, and I like the idea

0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:28.640
<v Speaker 4>of them being around for the long term. So do

0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:31.160
<v Speaker 4>you guys like the idea of pulling a Rick and Morty,

0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:34.040
<v Speaker 4>like go find you know, a new actor for Tony

0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:36.759
<v Speaker 4>and for and for Cap from some other multiverse and

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:38.479
<v Speaker 4>bring him into the to the main line.

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.720
<v Speaker 3>I honestly think we could do a whole episode about

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:45.160
<v Speaker 3>the Magni O question. Yes, the Magni Magnio is a

0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:51.319
<v Speaker 3>Jewish hero, anti hero villain, Holocaust survivor is so integral

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 3>to his and that came.

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Along that was a retcon in and of itself, which

0:56:56.200 --> 0:57:00.560
<v Speaker 1>came along much much later after his roduction as a

0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:02.840
<v Speaker 1>very very evil super villain.

0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 3>But as Matt points out, like this is we are

0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:09.080
<v Speaker 3>living in the age of the sliding timeline, right, Everyone

0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:12.480
<v Speaker 3>in the comics now is you know, let's look to

0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:14.680
<v Speaker 3>the even the Batman, you know, the new film he

0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 3>was in. He was like a kid in like two

0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:19.000
<v Speaker 3>thousand and one. He's going she Shrek with his mom and.

0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Dad instead, you know, and then they die. What a tragedy.

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Like the years keep coming and they don't stop coming.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, I think it's the This is something I

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<v Speaker 3>think about a lot. It's something I talked to jasonill

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<v Speaker 3>about a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how they do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's some very brilliant ways that you could

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<v Speaker 3>reinterpret it. I think that there's an unbelievable spectrum of

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<v Speaker 3>Jewish existence where you could have a Jewish character who's

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<v Speaker 3>also a black character who was involved in the Civil

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<v Speaker 3>rights era stuff in the US, and that would be

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting magnetum. But whatever they do, I think there's

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<v Speaker 3>some modern war spaces that you could remain. But it

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<v Speaker 3>is such a vital Jewish character and it was created,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, by two Jewish men, and then was reckcon

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<v Speaker 3>to be this huge Jewish icon. I think it's I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's very it's gonna be the most complex thing

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<v Speaker 3>they have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that, And I also think like

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<v Speaker 1>it comes down to the central question of are they

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<v Speaker 1>are the mutants here now and hiding.

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<v Speaker 2>And have they always been?

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<v Speaker 1>Have they always been?

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<v Speaker 2>The Also, let's be real, we could just if you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to, he could just be forty.

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<v Speaker 3>And guess what, he's a Holocaust survivor, but his mutations

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<v Speaker 3>still they're aging at the age of forty, Like you

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<v Speaker 3>can write it in if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can figure out how they always been there,

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<v Speaker 1>and they give it. They just give us the eternals

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<v Speaker 1>who secretly have been hiding like amongst the people of

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<v Speaker 1>Earth for a long time. So they couldn't do that

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<v Speaker 1>with the with the X Men, the school is so

0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 1>top secret that nobody knows that it's been happening. Or

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<v Speaker 1>do they use the multiversal uh door and say we're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing them in from somewhere else. That's kind of the

0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:00.720
<v Speaker 1>central question that we definitely or is it a combination

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<v Speaker 1>of those things where it's the stuff we saw in Loki,

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff we saw in WandaVision plus some sort of

0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:12.720
<v Speaker 1>like melding of dimensions that gives us mute because.

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<v Speaker 3>For a long time, when it came to like what

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<v Speaker 3>do you want to see from a Fantastic Four movie?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, a lot of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Our answer would be like, well, let's do it's tikle,

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<v Speaker 3>why tit? It's fish out of Water, It's a sixties

0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:25.720
<v Speaker 3>wild ride movie, and then they're pulled into the modern age.

0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't that be cool?

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<v Speaker 3>So I guess, using that same logic, if we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the multiverse, there is a version where you can

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<v Speaker 3>pull a young, radicalized Holocaust survivor Magneto into a modern

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<v Speaker 3>age where he still has that experience.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would doubt. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's a way you can do it

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<v Speaker 2>without it. The question is what does that look like?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's going to be the hardest thing

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<v Speaker 3>for them to do because it was I mean, the

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<v Speaker 3>reason to kind of answer go back to answer Sarah's question.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason that Magneto looks old in those first X

0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Men movies is because they needed him.

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<v Speaker 2>To be a Holocaust viver. So that's what aged him.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just the narrative necessity.

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<v Speaker 3>And as for your I think about the Toni and

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<v Speaker 3>Cap thing a lot, because I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people want that. I am all for recasting. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's the most exciting way to do it. There is

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<v Speaker 3>precedent in the comics of teen Tony. It's very hated.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think Mark's going to look.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to that, but I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think to me, that's what I think is

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<v Speaker 3>exciting RDIJ Chris Evan's brilliant. But if I see Tony

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<v Speaker 3>Stark in, I want to see like twenty five year

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<v Speaker 3>old Tony.

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<v Speaker 2>I want them to.

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<v Speaker 3>Find a brilliant young actor who has that like arrogance

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<v Speaker 3>and anger, and I want to see him against this

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<v Speaker 3>pure minded, like idealistic cap like. So I think that

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<v Speaker 3>I think that if they do it, I think you've

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<v Speaker 3>got to multiverse it. Pick some new act thinks that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What and is pretty It seems pretty sure that Fagy's

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<v Speaker 1>anti reboot. Yes, we will just bring stuff in and

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<v Speaker 1>figure out how to make it work within the timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's so far.

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<v Speaker 3>They haven't gone the the other big Disney property you

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<v Speaker 3>might have heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a pensiont for doing a lot of de aging,

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<v Speaker 3>and luckily we haven't them.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to see that. And even when you.

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<v Speaker 3>Had Chris Evans at the end of uh, you know, endgame,

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<v Speaker 3>he they did old people make up. Even then it

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<v Speaker 3>was it was practical. So I'm hoping that we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to stay in that realm of reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we see old Chris Evans, old Captain America running

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<v Speaker 1>around in our current.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden Captain America.

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<v Speaker 1>He's there, Serum is still strong, like you could probably bench.

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<v Speaker 3>He needs to come back and make up for all

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<v Speaker 3>those a trust easy ignored while he was dancing with

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<v Speaker 3>his missus.

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<v Speaker 8>Like, so, I've always wanted like Brandon Sampson's Cosumer books adapted.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm so curious. What are some things that have not

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<v Speaker 8>been adapted for TV or movies that y'all would like

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<v Speaker 8>to see?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a god we're running out of stuff at

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<v Speaker 1>this point.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, Okay, so I have a White Whale, But

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<v Speaker 3>like many of us, I think it's a dream. But

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<v Speaker 3>also I never want to see it adapted. So there

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<v Speaker 3>is a comic book that I love that if you

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<v Speaker 3>listen to podcasts I talk about it a lot, called

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<v Speaker 3>Love and Rockets, Yeah, which is by the Hernandez Brothers,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is this slice. It's a mix between a

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<v Speaker 3>Slice of Life and a science fiction comic about putting

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<v Speaker 3>the TX punks in like the eighties and and but

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<v Speaker 3>the thing about the comics. That's amazing is over forty years,

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<v Speaker 3>the comics of the characters have grown with the comics.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no sliding timeline.

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<v Speaker 3>They get older and it's this brilliant queer punk rock

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<v Speaker 3>story and I always wanted to know, like it feels

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<v Speaker 3>like the nineties, like a reality bites era kind of

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<v Speaker 3>movie should have been the time for it to get made.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know how it exists now, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>the one where sometimes I'll see a brilliant actress or

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<v Speaker 3>I'll see like some kind of like brilliant queer fashion

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<v Speaker 3>shoot and I'm like, oh, love and rockets, Like it

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<v Speaker 3>could exist, but do I really want it? I'd probably

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<v Speaker 3>hate it. I'd probably be like crying every day, like

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<v Speaker 3>watching it, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did they do this?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I that would be the one because it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the last giant indie comic that they have.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is that they haven't adapted yet because.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really from the black and white boom mirror. We've

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<v Speaker 3>had Ninja Turtles comics. You know, We're having a Yasagi

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<v Speaker 3>Ya Jimbo Netflix show. Like these comics that came out

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<v Speaker 3>at the same time. A lot of them have been

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<v Speaker 3>adapted and Love and Rockets is really that one where

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<v Speaker 3>you're just like it's it's scary to take it on.

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<v Speaker 3>But like the early stuff, especially that Himey did, like

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<v Speaker 3>Maggie the Mechanics was this like very It's what inspired

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<v Speaker 3>Tank Girl. She's like a badass, like queer mechanic and

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<v Speaker 3>she does to like a world of dinosaurs. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think if you're going to do a movie, you could

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<v Speaker 3>do the more sci fi. But I think HBO Max

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<v Speaker 3>kind of Prestige TV ten episode, there's a version of it,

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<v Speaker 3>especially now where people are really interested in like expanding

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<v Speaker 3>ideas of representation on TV and having authentic storytelling. I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's a space. And you're right, it's really the

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<v Speaker 3>last big indie.

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<v Speaker 1>Comic I think mine would be. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Saga it will happen. How has that not happened to

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<v Speaker 1>actually been at some point?

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<v Speaker 3>Just probably post Paper Girls, because that's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>the big BKV.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the Brian Cavon Extravaganza, Saga, the Fiona Staples art

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<v Speaker 1>that is just like so incredible and sumptuous. The best clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite clothes in a comic is every fashion is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is actually so likely.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't think that they made it so

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<v Speaker 1>fantastical and imagine that they so.

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<v Speaker 3>To me that was I used to say that was

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<v Speaker 3>alongside the unfilmable comics like watch Men, you know, which has.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously never been filmed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very unfilmable, but like because of that, But I

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<v Speaker 3>think where we are now, you have a Lord of

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<v Speaker 3>the Rings show being made by a billionaire company and

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<v Speaker 3>every episode costs four million dollars and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hadn't been a quarter of a billion just to get it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the billion dollars season, right, I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>living in a world where there's too much. There's just

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<v Speaker 3>unthinkable amounts of money. So in that sense, could Saga

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<v Speaker 3>get made probably very beautifully? Yeah, I actually think it

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<v Speaker 3>probably could. Now the question is who could helmet? Do

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<v Speaker 3>they understand the vision? And could it be weird enough? Also,

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<v Speaker 3>it would have to be R rated. That is like

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<v Speaker 3>a saucy gout, that's the way it should be.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it would be.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it would be hard in an age of

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<v Speaker 3>superheroes for them to not want a PG thirteen NET

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<v Speaker 3>because it's.

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<v Speaker 1>So hbox multiple seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Also with the mindset of I have a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>moral and ethical issues with Watchmen ever being adapted because

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<v Speaker 3>it was essentially stolen from the creators by DC with

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<v Speaker 3>dodgy contracting. But I will say if you went into

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<v Speaker 3>a saga with the mindset of the recent Watchman TV

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<v Speaker 3>show where you're constantly recontextualizing the source material to make

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<v Speaker 3>it speak to now, I think that mindset with a

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<v Speaker 3>budget for saga could be absolutely groundbreaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. Yeah, one question, we've come to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of our time. Big thank you to everybody here. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to on behalf of Rosie and myself. Yes, everybody

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