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Speaker 1: like that. Rosie, how are you. How's your Austin experience

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Let's go to the news previously on

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Speaker 2: Let's just play it first? Play? Okay, let's play.

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Speaker 1: Can we play the latest trailer of Disney Plus's Moonnight series?

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna watch it as we play it? Thanks Chris,

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Speaker 2: Sounds dramatic. The fun of Moonnight is getting introduced to

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Speaker 1: World, a real legitimate character study. I can't tell the

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Speaker 1: difference between My Way, Two Knives and Dreams. Moon Night

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Speaker 1: is a spectacular character, has got an incredibly unique visual look.

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Speaker 2: I am Stephen the way you. We're tackling the story.

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Speaker 2: We learn about Stephen and then learn about Mark. What's

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Speaker 3: Mark?

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Speaker 2: Why did you call me?

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Speaker 2: And they're the same person.

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Speaker 1: Ethan Hawk, one of the elite hat guys. Yeah, always

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Speaker 1: always has a brilliant hat of our times. So Disney

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Speaker 1: recently shared a press release for this series, mod Night,

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Speaker 1: Trauma generated by trauma.

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Speaker 3: Generated by traumatic childhood. So I will be interested to

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Speaker 3: In the comics, he's known as the back Night. He

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Speaker 1: This is a wonderful trailer.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So first off, I just want to say I

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Speaker 2: You get what? High school? Kamala Tamala another adventure shirt? Cute?

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Speaker 2: She thinks I'm some kind of weird how you were weird? Boys?

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Speaker 2: Why did you hear something?

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Speaker 1: What does it feel like?

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Speaker 3: replicate that with Doctor Strange. Oh look it's Patrick Stewart,

442
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Speaker 3: Like who else could be in the Illuminati? I think

443
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 3: they really want you said a really good thing where

444
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: you were like, they're making they're forcing the team up

445
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: movies because they don't have the teams. And I think

446
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: that aspect where they want to have that moment spoiler

447
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: alert where Charlie Cox catches the brick and you know

448
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 3: that's stared devil and they want be able to scream

449
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 3: and you want to say, you want to see someone

450
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Speaker 3: being like I want to see Charles Xavier and then

451
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: he walks through. They want those moments And that makes

452
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: me think as much as for a long time I

453
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 3: thought Kang Jonathan Major's I Love You Kang, I love

454
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Speaker 3: you like I'm ready for that. I thought that meant

455
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Speaker 3: we were getting five years of Fantastic four Galactus so sad.

456
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Speaker 1: A long time, especially in the current that's tim where

457
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Speaker 1: you know, World War three years.

458
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that.

459
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Speaker 3: I thought that that Fantastic four and then maybe you'd

460
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Speaker 3: get the ex Men in five years, and you know,

461
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: we'd get a little San Diego comic con.

462
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Speaker 2: They'd play like no. Now, I actually think like, I

463
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Speaker 2: think it's fast.

464
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Speaker 1: I think fast.

465
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Speaker 3: I talked to Strange and the multi us madness could

466
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: just shake up everything and we could learn that MCU

467
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: is a projection, or we could suddenly we could have

468
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Speaker 3: that moment that a lot of fans have thought, let

469
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Speaker 3: there be mutants, like, let there be people with powers

470
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Speaker 3: instead of no more.

471
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Speaker 1: I'm coming around to that too, because I I was

472
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Speaker 1: firmly during uh, you know, Falcon in the Winter Soldier era,

473
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Speaker 1: which feels like a million years ago, but I think

474
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Speaker 1: it was only like ten twelve months ago, some months ago.

475
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Speaker 1: I was pretty convinced, Okay, they're gonna like they're gonna, uh,

476
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Speaker 1: they're gonna kind of lay this, you know, lay the

477
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Speaker 1: ground work, make us understand that like after you know,

478
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Speaker 1: Civil War and the Accords and all and and the

479
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: blip that people are like, actually, maybe powered people are

480
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: really bad. Yeah, and everything has been really shitty since

481
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Speaker 1: they appeared, and like, and public opinion will turn against them,

482
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: and then you will have a government program against powered people,

483
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: et cetera. And then you will have the X Men

484
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Speaker 1: appear in that in that context. And now I think

485
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Speaker 1: we don't We don't really have the Team Up movie now.

486
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Speaker 1: You know, it's like they've they've made the various standalone

487
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Speaker 1: movies into Team Upe movies.

488
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Speaker 6: Now.

489
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Speaker 1: They've been doing that for a while with like Captain

490
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Speaker 1: America Civil War, but they're they're really doing it now

491
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Speaker 1: with Uh, with Noay Home, with Quantum Mania, with Doctor Strange.

492
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Speaker 1: You're all going to be Team Up movies. But where

493
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Speaker 1: is the actual team team? We don't have an Avengers

494
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Speaker 1: team Fantastic four on the horizon. But I feel like

495
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Speaker 1: they will introduce the X Men sooner than we think.

496
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Speaker 3: I think so too, especially because our next team is

497
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Speaker 3: probably going to be the Young Avengers in whatever guys,

498
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Speaker 3: whether they call them the West Coast Avengers, whether they

499
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Speaker 3: call them the Young Avengers, but that could be in

500
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Speaker 3: Disney plus TV. That could be in a movie maybe,

501
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 3: but I think the broadness of it is probably fantastic

502
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 3: for and X Men at the same time, and some

503
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Speaker 3: kind of slash versus Avengers or situation or Secret Wars,

504
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: which we've been saying could happen for a long time,

505
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 3: like that's the big and if you bring Fantastic four

506
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: and then you can.

507
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: Do secret Wars really easily.

508
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Speaker 1: I'll just say that as a as a comic fan,

509
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: this has been a fantastic period of my life. To

510
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: go to me seriously, it's been really great. But and

511
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: I've loved every second of it. But if when they

512
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: bring in the X Men, I will lose my shit,

513
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: I know, lose it.

514
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: It's hard to think about it. I'll truly receive it.

515
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean I'll lose it.

516
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: I know this is gonna make a lot of people

517
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: in there. I feel really old or really young. Dude,

518
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: that X Men movie came out twenty two years ago.

519
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: That ship old.

520
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: That feels to me like that feels.

521
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: To me still like a real It's like, oh, that's

522
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: when superhero movie started, Sam Raimi Spider Man, you know,

523
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: I mean.

524
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: That's two decades ago. Like that there is time for

525
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: a new X Men movie.

526
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Speaker 1: I truly lose casting the.

527
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Speaker 3: Moment that we see I know we're going on an

528
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 3: X Men tangum, but we both love the X Men,

529
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Speaker 3: so it's fine, who what do you think? Okay, So

530
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 3: when the MC comes, do you think it's gonna be

531
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: my choice? I know my choice is giant size? But

532
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: do you think they're gonna do classic five giant size?

533
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I think that it has to be. I

534
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: think you have to have Cyclops. I think you have

535
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: to have storms, so it's giants. You have to have Wolverine, right,

536
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to be a very important

537
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: character that ties in a lot of like the Super

538
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: Soldier program, like actually grounds it in a lot of

539
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: the stuff that you already happened, Like we'll find out

540
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: that actually there were offshoots to the Super Soldier program,

541
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: and Logan is part of that but also a mutant.

542
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

543
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: And I think you have to have obviously, Charles Magneto's

544
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: got to be in there as like the foil And

545
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: then I don't who do you think?

546
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right. I just to me, I

547
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: think that's the way you believe.

548
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't know I love.

549
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Speaker 3: I think I think the most realistic version is a

550
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: melding of Giants right and of ninety two, because.

551
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: That is the same film people grew up with.

552
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: I also think that if we look at how the

553
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: MCU is now, there is a space to have multiple iterations,

554
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: Like you can have a younger class who are in

555
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 3: Charles's school or Storm school.

556
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: Maybe Storm will be the headmistress. We don't know where.

557
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: Introducing Charles and specifically Magneto in this timeline with the

558
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 3: sliding timeline is a very complex proposition and they're going

559
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: to have to work really hard to work out how

560
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: to make it work. So there's I think there's a

561
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: lot of different ways where we could see different generations

562
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: of them. I think Storm might actually be the first

563
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: X men that they introduce because they have she has

564
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: such a deep connection to Black Panther. I do not

565
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: want Storm to get married to Black Panther, by the way,

566
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: I was not a fan of that storyline.

567
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: I don't think that's how it should be done.

568
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: But she has a brilliant connection to Wakanda, and that

569
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: would be such a great space to introduce her in

570
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: Wakanda Forever, where we're going to be potentially going to

571
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: the Savage Land.

572
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: We're going to potentially be meeting nay More.

573
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Speaker 3: I think Storm is such an iconic character and such

574
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: a beloved X Men and also a beloved hero and right,

575
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Speaker 3: I think.

576
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: She could be off off ust major X man that

577
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: we meet.

578
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Uh, this was a really fun segment,

579
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: and now we should move on because I think how

580
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: much time do we have left? God, the half of it.

581
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: Half of it was just talking about both of those

582
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: things are relative to the multivast side.

583
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: Great when we're back more multiverse. Okay, so let's talk

584
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: about multiverses. Then let's talk about multiverses, parallel universes, all

585
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: this stuff that is happening. Uh. First of all, let's

586
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: talk about our favorite multiverses. The multiverse is really it's

587
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: a fascinating construct in that it is a way to

588
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: basically cheat and include like every iteration of every character

589
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: that you want. You can have them fight against each other.

590
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: Both DC and Marvel have their versions of the multiverse.

591
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: I think DC's is fascinating in that it's an outgrowth

592
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: of just the way the comics industry existed at the time.

593
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: You had all these different creators creating comics at a

594
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Speaker 1: super super fast clips.

595
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: A month, so many comics coming out every week, and

596
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: there were so many different creators that was no cohesive.

597
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: There is no overarching like soditor. And so you had

598
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: like a Superman over here doing this, and then you

599
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: had a younger Superman.

600
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: And you had Superman in Lowis Layton, Superman's girlfriend, and

601
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: you had and then you had Dark Knight Batman. You know,

602
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: you had all these different versions of the characters, and

603
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: DC created the multiverse as a way to explain it away, right.

604
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: And so then you have that you have Crisis on

605
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Infinite Earth's, which is DC's attempt to be like, Okay,

606
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: we got to like team this somehow by creating like

607
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: this massive multiversal war so we can.

608
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: Stream line into one timeline where we can control whatever

609
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: what is going on.

610
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: So let's talk about it. What are our favorite favorite

611
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Speaker 1: multi versus? Would you like to start?

612
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: I will?

613
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: I will start just because it's on the topic of

614
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: what my I love the Marvel multiverse, because the Marvel

615
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: Multiverse in the comics is one of my absolute favorite things,

616
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: which is something that is almost entirely defined by fans.

617
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: Fans were the people who created the Earth designations. You know,

618
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: you've heard of Earth six one six. You've got the

619
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: Earth where there's zombie Marvel stuff happened, You've got that.

620
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: And these were actually fans who were like, this, we're

621
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: gonna call it this like the first mention of six

622
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: one six, which we know, we use it as an

623
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: offhand term for the main Marvel universe. That's kind of

624
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: controversial in the comics but has been used as a

625
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: joke in the movies. That was actually from an Alan

626
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: Moore comic, like a Captain Britain thing.

627
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: It was an.

628
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: Offhanded mention, and fans latched onto it and they were like,

629
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: that's the main Marvel universe. And to me, that constant

630
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: conversation between fans and creators is what makes this stuff exciting.

631
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: So I love that Marvel had.

632
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: This messy world where there's so many different versions of

633
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: their characters and all these different teams, and fans just

634
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: started organizing it for them, to the point where Marvel

635
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, that's right.

636
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: They were the multiverse.

637
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's We were so hard to create all

638
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: these different asks for you.

639
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: You're so lucky. And I think that.

640
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: Is just so cool and Also I love that because

641
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: of that, we get stories that actually play into the multiverse.

642
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: We talk a lot about secret wars like the Jason

643
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: Arrow and Asad Ribbik big stuff, and like that is

644
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: so fun where I'll never forget, Like that spoiler alert.

645
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: The story is like they're trying to get They're trying

646
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: to make everything part of this main universe, so they're

647
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: going to destroy all these other worlds, right.

648
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: And the way that they showed at.

649
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: The end, what they really wanted to do was bring

650
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: Males Morales into the main Marvel universe because he's brilliant

651
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: and they knew. So what they did was they on

652
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: the final page turn Miles wakes up. He's in that universe,

653
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: and they changed the lettering style.

654
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: That's all it was.

655
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: It went from mixed case to caps, which is what

656
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: they do in the main Marvel universe. And I remember

657
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: reading that and being like, oh my god, Like I

658
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: know that he is in this world now, and I

659
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: kind of love the way that it gives creators a

660
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: control over, Like.

661
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: This was really cool. And it was meant to just

662
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Speaker 2: be this.

663
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 3: Throwaway thing or it's meant to only exist in the

664
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: Ultimate Universe, but I love it. So actually they jumped

665
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: through a multiversal portal and guess what, now they're in

666
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 3: the main MCU.

667
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: Like that to me is very powerful and fun.

668
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: I love Secret War, Secret Wars, the c Aburbic version

669
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: of Secret Wars, because it's basically like the Illuminati, this

670
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: collection of dudes in the most powerful Dudes, the power

671
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: Dudes of the Marvel Universe, were like, Okay, nobody can

672
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: know what's happening with these incursions, like various parallel universes

673
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: are crashing into ours. How do we fix this? I know,

674
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: we kill everyone, we totally destroy their entire reality, and

675
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: but we don't. We can't tell anybody we're doing this

676
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: because they'll be mad at us. Captain America understandably, we'll

677
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: be super mad. So we're just gonna do it. And

678
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: this results in the Secret War, And it's basically like

679
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: this entire crossover was just like the Power Dudes of

680
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: the MCU fucked up.

681
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you end up with like God Emperor Do,

682
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: which is like the most badass name villain.

683
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: Of all time.

684
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: But I just I think that I love that the

685
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: Marvel one is kind of as much created by random

686
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: creators making all these different stories in an age where

687
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: comics were coming out, you know, hundreds of thousands of

688
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: comics every year, and it was sort of shaped by

689
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: fans being like, well, we need this to make sense,

690
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: and Marvel was just like, yeah, that's what we meant

691
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: to do.

692
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: Like that to me, is so cool about what's one

693
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: of your faves.

694
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Speaker 1: Into the Spider Verse was just like, I mean, it's

695
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: just a adrenaline shot of a movie that is so so,

696
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: so so fun. They did the Multiverse before them, so

697
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: you managed to do it, which is great.

698
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: They likely introduced the Multiverse to mass audiences. That is,

699
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: most people's understanding of the Multiverse is through that beautifully

700
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: made movie.

701
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: It's it's a heart wrenching movie that hits your that

702
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: hits your feelings when you least expected to do that.

703
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: It is a adrenaline shot of a movie with like

704
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: some of the most insane action, and I mean, when

705
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: Miles does his leap, it is like you want to

706
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: erupt out of the out of your seat. It's so

707
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: so fun.

708
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 3: It also did one of the things that I think

709
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: these kind of stories can do so well, where like

710
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: this is a random kind of comparison, but in New

711
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 3: X Men, the Grand Marrison Frank quietly. But they introduced

712
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: this different version of Cyclops who's kind of flawed, and

713
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: that was the first time I liked Cyclops, and.

714
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: I thought that was I think he's like too much

715
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: of a much of a god boy for me.

716
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: But like I like the I like the flowed like

717
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 3: he's having a psychic affair, and I think that something

718
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: Spider Verse does that's so brillian.

719
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: Is it?

720
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: It takes the You know, we've always seen Peter Parker.

721
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: He's emotional, he's this ground level hero. You can relate

722
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 3: to him, anyone can be like him, but he still

723
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: has this kind of sheen of a young boy who

724
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: doesn't really he doesn't really make mistakes, but he's always

725
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: putting his family at risk.

726
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: But I loved the version of Peter B.

727
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: Parker where you actually got to see what does it

728
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: do to you when you have always put your family

729
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: at risk and you've always like sacrificed your life and

730
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 3: it just doesn't work out Like that was one of

731
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: the most unexpectedly like hilarious also like heart wrenching things

732
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: that they introduced in that movie.

733
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: The other thing I love about Multiverse is just like

734
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about it in a little bit here, but

735
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: how much Marvel and DC just rip each other off shamelessly.

736
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: So it's like part of the dynamic of liking this

737
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: stuff is just being okay with the fact that, like,

738
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: you know.

739
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it's one of my favorites, right

740
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: because it's not necessarily.

741
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: Something I go back to all the time.

742
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: But like I will say that in the fun of

743
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: the ripping off conversation that most of the reason that

744
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: anyone who just randomly watches TV or isn't really into

745
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: comics knows what a multiverse is is because of the

746
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 3: CW shows.

747
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: But you've been doing a.

748
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: Multiverse for like ten years, and now Marvel came in

749
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: and they're like, hey, we're doing a multiverse, and everyone's like,

750
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: oh my god, wow, And I'm just like, you guys

751
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 3: are so cheeky. Like the cub has literally been seeding

752
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: this stuff with like moms who love Green Arrow and

753
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: people who don't necessarily read comics.

754
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: They had a crisis on Infinite Earth's event where they.

755
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: Literally whatever, yeah, you know what I mean, And then

756
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: when they did the TV version, they literally had people

757
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: from the movies come to the TV and that was

758
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: like so groundbreaking, even if you know it's a little

759
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: bit corny, it's it's its own world. But like, I

760
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: just think it's so interesting that how these kind of

761
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: things feed off of each other.

762
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, just so many people.

763
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: Their understanding of that is probably because oh yeah, I

764
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: remember that one episode of that of Arrow. I mean

765
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: they had stuff in the c W. I think one

766
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: of the most interesting things that DC has always done.

767
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 3: They the old thing that we used to say, Marvel

768
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: movie is terrible in the nineties. You know, it was

769
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: Captain America. I love that bad Captain American movie.

770
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 5: You'd be like DC though, in the Hulk Special or

771
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 5: even you know, even the Fox you know, Da Devil

772
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 5: Elektra bring Me to life one of the best scenes

773
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 5: of a movie of all time.

774
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: Not for the right not for the right reason.

775
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: But like we used to say, the Marvel movies, those

776
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: are bad, but the DC animated movies that's what superhero

777
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: movies should be. And because of that, because DC knew

778
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: the quality of those, they have always basically aligned that

779
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: those movies can exist in a multiversal space next to

780
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: their other stuff.

781
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: And with the CW stuff.

782
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: Something I found really interesting was they actually had characters

783
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 3: and storylines that they were doing in animated stuff that

784
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: would enter into the CW live action shows, and the

785
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: canon of the cartoons would be in there. So I

786
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: just think it's really interesting how this kind of stuff

787
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: is really experimental and it's becoming really mainstream. But it's

788
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 3: been something that's been in the conversation for a really

789
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: long time.

790
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: Really really long time. What's your next favorite multiverse?

791
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: My next favorite multiverse? There's so many, there's a multiverse

792
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: of multiverses. I'm going to bring up one.

793
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: It's so silly, but we were talking about yesterday, and

794
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: I love talking about like bad movies. So I when

795
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: I was a kid, I watched Cube and it is

796
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 3: a weird horror movie about these people stuck in torture cube.

797
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: But it's very terrifying.

798
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: It was a big influence on like Saw, for example,

799
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: because it's all filmed in one room. But one of

800
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: the sequels, Cube Zero, is a string theory film about

801
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: multiverses where every cube is living alongside each other in

802
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: a different universe of its own, and it's it's absolutely

803
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: mind blowing and just completely ridiculous. But that's one of

804
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: my favorites because I'm like that's the most horrific version

805
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 3: of a multiverse we know.

806
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: Multi versus is, Oh, here's a different version.

807
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: Of this character we love, and in this one they're

808
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: a bit silly, or they wear a different costume. And

809
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: in this one, it's like in every multiverse, in every universe,

810
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: you are just stuck in a torture cube.

811
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: It's just horrible.

812
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna pick DC Crisis on Infinite Earth

813
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: just because it was the classic and it's interesting because

814
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: like when you think about the big crossover events of

815
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: that era between Marvel and DC, it's like so emblematic

816
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: about like the cultures of those two companies. DC Crisis

817
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: on Infinite Earth's was all about, we've got all this

818
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: crazy cannon that doesn't make sense, and we just need

819
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: to like actually go in and garden and like make

820
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: it all make sense, because so what a creative team.

821
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: Marvelfman George Press.

822
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: That's like George Pres the that's the stuff. And then

823
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: and then you had Secret Wars, which was literally just

824
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: like how do we okay, cash grab time, let's go

825
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: Marvel's Secret Wars, which I loved as a kid, and

826
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: then in retrospect was.

827
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: Not It's it's a toy. It was to sell toys.

828
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: There's actually toys that went along with it where that

829
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: are really cool.

830
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: Like it's like Spider Man, he has this weird wheel toy.

831
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: It's like a vehicle that he would be in in

832
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: each of the issues that stuff. Though, I have a

833
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: Secret Wars coloring book, which is one of my prized possessions,

834
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: lots of Kang coloring in there. So actually that's a

835
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: very It's a cash grab, but it's now a relevant

836
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: cash grab, you.

837
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Know, it's it is quite irrelevant where not to deraalist,

838
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: but Kang, like where is he?

839
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: He's everywhere?

840
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: Where is where are we gonna? It's interesting because it's

841
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: like Fanos, you kind of understood where he would appears.

842
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: It's hard because.

843
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: Like you feel like where was Kang in no way

844
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 3: home right, It just makes it seems like he would

845
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: have been there, So I think, I think he's got

846
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: to be somewhere pulling some strings, maybe having a Thanos

847
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: style end credit scene in Multiverse of Madness, because it

848
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: feels like if that is a multiversal story and we're

849
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: talking about these timelines being out of control or Stephen

850
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 3: messing things up as he always does Kang is probably

851
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: somewhere like this fucking guy again, like what the fuck

852
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: is wrong with him? Like he just can't stay in

853
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: his fan see bougie New York apartment and behave in Steven.

854
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: If you can't rearrange reality with a kid talking to you,

855
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: don't do it.

856
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: It's not odd, like if.

857
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: You're you know, like, if you can't do it while

858
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: someone's saying stuff to you, then just stop and don't

859
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: mess with it. That's yeah, just all I'm saying, Stephen, Uh,

860
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: your classic you know, the humorist of this man, it's

861
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: it's he's.

862
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: He's the king of Hubris. That's the problem. Uh, your

863
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: next Okay, I'm gonna go for it. I can't believe

864
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: neither of us said it. You actually days of future past.

865
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take that as my next. One day's

866
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: a future post.

867
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things about this is a incredible

868
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 3: story arc. You know, this thing changes the Marvel Universe

869
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: in like two issues.

870
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: It's two issues, Like if that was today, they'd be

871
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: like a ten issue limited series like multiple spin off yeah,

872
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: like you know, like and they'd have like a point

873
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: five issues that would like zero zero.

874
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: Like no, I I love that stuff.

875
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: I mean unbelievable like Iconic Creator team Chris Clairemont, John Bamboo, Tomato, Tomatow.

876
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 7: Terry Austin, like but just like unbelievable stuff also created

877
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 7: a blog and he ruined it for everyone anyway, bad vibes.

878
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: But those two issues are so great and I love that.

879
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: You know that famous cover where it's like they're all

880
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: dead and everyone's dead. I spoke to Luis Simonson, who's

881
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: Iconic X Men Create Us Death of Superman Creator X

882
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: Men editor, and she had just randomly thought that was

883
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: like a funny joke to put on. She was like,

884
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 3: that would be great when that'd be a great design,

885
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the coolest things. It

886
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: sums up one of the best things. That book was

887
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: not made to create a multiverse. That was just a

888
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: cool time travel story, but the impact of the story

889
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: led to other creators saying, oh, well, what would the

890
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 3: other versions of this be? What would have happened because

891
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: of these two issues, And that I think is the

892
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: summation of what makes the multiverse so cool. It's a

893
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: cool idea for these things that are seen as disposable,

894
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: that are printed on the cheapest paper that are bought

895
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: by kids and are meant to be forgotten, but their

896
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: impact is so much longer. And then something like Days

897
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: of Future Past can become like a key moment in

898
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: all of Marvel history because everyone else is like, wait,

899
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: but I want to know, like what happens to the

900
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: people in that timeline, like, and then you get so

901
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: many different characters from that.

902
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: I just I just think it's brilliant.

903
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: We should probably move on because we're like against the clock,

904
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: but I think so those are our top three. But

905
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: I will say this one thing that I will soft

906
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: prediction they'll do an age of Ultron. Ultron will come

907
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: back at some point. I think I Altron is in space,

908
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: he uploaded his consciousness into whatever machines.

909
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: We see those ultron esque bots. He will some madness trailer,

910
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 3: which I would say, if we imagine that kill Monger

911
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: is one of the Illuminati who we see or one

912
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: of the group we see in the trailer, then those

913
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: are probably his Ultron bots. Bring back James Spader, Bring

914
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: back James Spader. I love James Spader, I love James

915
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: Vader's Ultron. I will be happy to hear his dulcet

916
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: tones once again telling us.

917
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 2: The Internet destroyed the world.

918
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: When we're back more of our live show at south

919
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: By Southwest. Okay, let's go to some mail bag questions.

920
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: This is from Jamie. After watching the Doctor Strange trailer

921
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: and thinking about WandaVision, Loki, what If, and No Way Home,

922
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm just confused about the origin of the MCU multiverse.

923
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: Perfect first question for this. I had assumed that it

924
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: all began with Sylvie, but there doesn't seem to be

925
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: any connection between that and No Way Home. Do you

926
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: think we'll see any kind of connections drawn in Multiverse

927
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: of Madness? Between all the multiverse pieces we've seen so far,

928
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: are they connected somehow or did three people want to

929
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: silly Strange just happen to mess with it at the

930
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: same time, Also wondering how the Watcher and the TVA

931
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: can exist. Great question.

932
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 3: This is the biggest question right of the novel moment,

933
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: because it seems like No Way Home would be the

934
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 3: place where you would feel the ramifications of.

935
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: Loki and your oh, all these worlds, but they seem

936
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: to close it.

937
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 3: And my understanding is from reports that Noey Home was

938
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: originally meant to come out after Doctor Strange. So I

939
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 3: think that that changed the storyline of what was meant

940
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 3: to happen where I'm assuming that whatever happened in Doctor

941
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: Strange was meant to lead to that multiversal.

942
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: Kind of explosion in No Way Home.

943
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: I think it does all start with Sylvie and the

944
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: TVA because we know that what if only exists and

945
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 3: we know what if even though people thought it wasn't

946
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: going to play much of a big part, we can

947
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: see now that they were seeding a lot of big.

948
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: Stuff in Doctor Strange.

949
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: That unleashed the true multi It was like, think of

950
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: it as like a bonsai tree.

951
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: But it was in a loop before and now it's

952
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: in the In.

953
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: The pre Sylvie, pre Loky fashion, it was like very

954
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: constrained in this very curated kind of fashion, and now

955
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: it's just like wild.

956
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what we see in everything we see and

957
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: what if is coming from those trees that kind of

958
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: swirl off what I'm really interested to see it to

959
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: kind of what I want answered in along with Jamie

960
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: in kind of Doctor Strange too.

961
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: Is so like, is he in trouble for what he did?

962
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: In No Way Home?

963
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: Is he in trouble because a different universe version of

964
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: him messed around with the timeline to try and bring

965
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: back Christine and he's having to pay for it. Like

966
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: I think hopefully Multiverse of Manas is going to give

967
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: us those answers of how this kind of all coalesces

968
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: because also kind of like what we were saying about

969
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 3: Days of Future Past.

970
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: I think part of it is they kind of throw

971
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Yeah, what

972
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: did people?

973
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: Most?

974
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: Loki and Sylvia are the ones that people really gravitated to,

975
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 3: so it's probably them.

976
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: And listen, a classic classic Doctor Strange DNA is he

977
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: gets very very powerful and he fucks something up and

978
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: then they have to depower him and he has to

979
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: learn his lesson and then he does it again. It

980
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: looks like that's why we're going, and I think that's

981
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: exactly where we're going. Is like that, you know, like listen, Uh,

982
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: he's not the source of Supreme anymore, which I think

983
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: is a great choice.

984
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: Yes, one is always meant to be.

985
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: Stephen a wild guy, but I think, as we saw,

986
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, with with Spider Man, here he is messing

987
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: with the multiverses.

988
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 2: He should kid get into help.

989
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: He's right to help a kid get into college.

990
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: It's not college scandal, Stephen.

991
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: And again with what I think is brilliant about like

992
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: the characterization here is it was ostensibly to get a

993
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: kid into college, but really it was because, like Stephen

994
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: Strange wanted to do it is an egomaniac. Oh, that

995
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: sounds really cool, alter reality.

996
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: Try everyone on.

997
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: That sounds like a very very responsible thing that I

998
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: can do.

999
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: Uh.

1000
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 1: And then and this caused all of this, so, uh,

1001
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: what about the fine question the Watcher. Can the Watcher

1002
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: and the TVA co exist? Yeah?

1003
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can co exist.

1004
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: I think the idea of the Watcher so I get.

1005
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 3: I think the Watcher is very intriguing to people because

1006
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 3: like in the show, he has this really clearly defined

1007
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: omnipient on the opposent kind of space.

1008
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: But in the comics again just the funny like narrative

1009
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: device that used to introduce these different.

1010
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 3: Comics and then has come on to have more of

1011
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 3: a person kind of persona. So I think he can

1012
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 3: exist because the idea is he actually exists outside of

1013
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: space and time.

1014
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: The Watcher is almost a god in that way.

1015
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't the TVA can exist and be pruning, but

1016
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 3: the Watcher's just watching him being like oh, they shouldn't

1017
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: be prune in.

1018
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 2: But he doesn't do anything, He's not like that's a

1019
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: bad idea.

1020
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: Sarah asks I was listening to a recent interview with

1021
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: Anita Hill where she mentioned that she was a fan

1022
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: of Stanley and always wanted him to make a superhero

1023
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: character based on her, and honestly, who deserves to be

1024
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: mortalized as a superhero more than a need a Hill.

1025
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: It made me wonder whether Marvel or comics generally ever

1026
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: did depict real historical people events all the time.

1027
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, they love to do that.

1028
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: They love to do that, like presidents Jimmy Carter is

1029
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: it's so ready like.

1030
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: They did a lot.

1031
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 3: But when Obama got in, they made like a bunch

1032
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: of Obama covers and stuff for.

1033
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: Some really really in retrospect cringe worthy like reactions to

1034
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: nine to eleven.

1035
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 3: And that's like a very famous Marvel did a very

1036
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: famous anthology about that that is touch and go.

1037
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe let this before we just like jump into this.

1038
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean they were really into that.

1039
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 3: And there's even like there's even kind of precedent for

1040
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 3: comics throughout history where publishers have just done comics that

1041
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: are like biographical comic issues about famous people.

1042
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 2: So, yes, that's a good question, and it is true.

1043
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: And now that you know it's true, you probably notice

1044
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 3: it when you're going through a back issue and you'll

1045
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 3: be like, Lol, why is this person in here?

1046
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: Let's see one more and then we'll go to the audience.

1047
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: If you had Infinity Gauntlet control over the MCU, and

1048
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: it would be dangerous one thing, casting, story effects, etc.

1049
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: What would that be for y'all? If X Men Dark

1050
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: Phoenix six blakes in nineteen ninety two, and he assumed

1051
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: that since the original X Men came out in two thousand,

1052
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: it must have taken place roughly at the same timeframe,

1053
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: what do you think could have caused Xavier and Magneta

1054
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: to age so much?

1055
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: The big question?

1056
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you had Infinity Gauntlet ConTroll over the

1057
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: MCU and can change one thing?

1058
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so would I have like my real answer on

1059
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: like a very small like could happen would probably be like,

1060
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 3: I think Emily Blunt was originally meant to place Black Widow,

1061
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: and I think that would have been very cool. But

1062
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: if I had real Infinity go on the thing they

1063
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: mentioned the wet effects, if I could click I would

1064
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: make every effect in the MCU practical.

1065
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: That would be my thing.

1066
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: I would be like, all in camera, in camera, build

1067
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: a set I want to see.

1068
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: I want to see no green screen, right, that'd.

1069
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: Be surprised, actual silly string come out of like a

1070
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: like an honestly shooter.

1071
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: I want to see Kevin Faige in an ultimate universe.

1072
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 3: He's like, I didn't know we could do CG instead

1073
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 3: of saying I didn't know we could shoot on location.

1074
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: So I'm like, yeah, I want everything to be in camera.

1075
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: That's that pract that's the way to go. That's the MCUISH.

1076
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: I don't even know, gosh, what would I do. I

1077
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: would probably if I had MCU, I would bring I

1078
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: would find a way to get the X Men in

1079
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: like earlier, and I would have more like Weapon X,

1080
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: which is the program that created Woverine. I would have

1081
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: more clues about that. I would more. I would tie

1082
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: it directly to the Super sold such.

1083
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: A foundational part of introducing like heroes and mutants.

1084
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: While and I would have I would have like him

1085
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: a picture of Logan like hanging in some flashback of

1086
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: the Super Soldier program where it's like, oh yeah, the

1087
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: Canadian version of Captain America. It never really worked out.

1088
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: He went psychotic and we had to lock him in

1089
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: a cell somewhere after we bombed out. Yeah, and so

1090
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: that's what I would do, because that is I can't

1091
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: I just can't wait for the X Men to come

1092
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: to the Marvel Universe. Okay, let's go to does anybody

1093
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: do you have a question?

1094
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: You can stand behind the microphone if you cared to ask,

1095
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: thank you, no brave question.

1096
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 6: So I'm going to age myself a little bit. My

1097
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 6: dad was a fan of the ninety two X Men.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great, great parenting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm watching it for the first time, and especially

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Speaker 6: with the X Men ninety two announcement, I'm trying to ask,

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Speaker 6: like every person on TikTok or like in the comic space,

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Speaker 6: what do you think the like continuity or implications of

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Speaker 6: the ninety two reboot or remake or whatever, What's what's

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Speaker 6: the canonicity? What's that going to do to the MCU,

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Speaker 6: especially with also the Doctor Strange rumor that he's going

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Speaker 6: to be in like the chair from the Profession in

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Speaker 6: the Chair.

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Speaker 3: So my understanding of the show is that it's going

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Speaker 3: to directly continue from when ninety two, and so I

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Speaker 3: think that I love that question because I would hope

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00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: I think think that canon wise, I don't necessarily know

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Speaker 3: that the MCU wants to get into like animation being canon,

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Speaker 3: but I do think that the reason they're doing this

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Speaker 3: show right now is to reintroduce the X.

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Speaker 2: A new audience maybe.

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Speaker 3: Didn't grow up with it, and to yeah, exactly, you're

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00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 3: you're the target, and basically to something that me and

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Speaker 3: Jason have talked about a lot about why we think

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Speaker 3: that show works, why the Spider Man animated series works,

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Speaker 3: why Batman animated series works.

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Speaker 2: They basically condensed.

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Speaker 3: These really famous arcs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Sentinels. Suddenly, that's twenty two minutes. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's this really condensed form of storytelling where you can

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Speaker 3: do a lot of exposition and introduction. So I think

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Speaker 3: that what we see in X Men ninety seven, I

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00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 3: think it's going to be called we should look to

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Speaker 3: that as probably very telling about what's going to be

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Speaker 3: in the mcux men movies.

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Speaker 4: Guys, great to see it, Okay, nice to be here.

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Speaker 4: Nice to see you guys too.

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Speaker 1: Just two quick questions. The first one, now that we're getting.

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Speaker 4: Further and further away from World War two, which is

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00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 4: anchored in time, but our culture is moving, like is

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00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 4: it time when the X Men come in to just

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Speaker 4: rebuild that whole story? Take it away from that. Wolverine

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00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 4: can obviously can be around forever, but you know, do

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Speaker 4: should that all be reinterpreted the way they did in

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00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 4: the Ultimate Universe? And then second question, I miss Cap

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00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 4: and Tony in the MCU, and I like the idea

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Speaker 4: of them being around for the long term. So do

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Speaker 4: you guys like the idea of pulling a Rick and Morty,

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Speaker 4: like go find you know, a new actor for Tony

1144
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 4: and for and for Cap from some other multiverse and

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Speaker 4: bring him into the to the main line.

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Speaker 3: I honestly think we could do a whole episode about

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Speaker 3: the Magni O question. Yes, the Magni Magnio is a

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00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: Jewish hero, anti hero villain, Holocaust survivor is so integral

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Speaker 3: to his and that came.

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Speaker 1: Along that was a retcon in and of itself, which

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00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: came along much much later after his roduction as a

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Speaker 1: very very evil super villain.

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Speaker 3: But as Matt points out, like this is we are

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Speaker 3: living in the age of the sliding timeline, right, Everyone

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00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: in the comics now is you know, let's look to

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00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 3: the even the Batman, you know, the new film he

1157
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: was in. He was like a kid in like two

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Speaker 3: thousand and one. He's going she Shrek with his mom and.

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Speaker 2: Dad instead, you know, and then they die. What a tragedy.

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Speaker 2: Like the years keep coming and they don't stop coming.

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Speaker 3: But like, I think it's the This is something I

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Speaker 3: think about a lot. It's something I talked to jasonill

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Speaker 3: about a lot.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it.

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Speaker 3: I think there's some very brilliant ways that you could

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Speaker 3: reinterpret it. I think that there's an unbelievable spectrum of

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Speaker 3: Jewish existence where you could have a Jewish character who's

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Speaker 3: also a black character who was involved in the Civil

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Speaker 3: rights era stuff in the US, and that would be

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Speaker 3: an interesting magnetum. But whatever they do, I think there's

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Speaker 3: some modern war spaces that you could remain. But it

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Speaker 3: is such a vital Jewish character and it was created,

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Speaker 3: you know, by two Jewish men, and then was reckcon

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Speaker 3: to be this huge Jewish icon. I think it's I

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Speaker 3: think it's very it's gonna be the most complex thing

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Speaker 3: they have to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, And I also think like

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Speaker 1: it comes down to the central question of are they

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Speaker 1: are the mutants here now and hiding.

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Speaker 2: And have they always been?

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Speaker 1: Have they always been?

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Speaker 2: The Also, let's be real, we could just if you

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Speaker 2: wanted to, he could just be forty.

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Speaker 3: And guess what, he's a Holocaust survivor, but his mutations

1185
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 3: still they're aging at the age of forty, Like you

1186
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 3: can write it in if you want.

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Speaker 1: But you can figure out how they always been there,

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Speaker 1: and they give it. They just give us the eternals

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Speaker 1: who secretly have been hiding like amongst the people of

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Speaker 1: Earth for a long time. So they couldn't do that

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Speaker 1: with the with the X Men, the school is so

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Speaker 1: top secret that nobody knows that it's been happening. Or

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Speaker 1: do they use the multiversal uh door and say we're

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Speaker 1: bringing them in from somewhere else. That's kind of the

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Speaker 1: central question that we definitely or is it a combination

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Speaker 1: of those things where it's the stuff we saw in Loki,

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Speaker 1: the stuff we saw in WandaVision plus some sort of

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Speaker 1: like melding of dimensions that gives us mute because.

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Speaker 3: For a long time, when it came to like what

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Speaker 3: do you want to see from a Fantastic Four movie?

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Speaker 2: Right, a lot of us.

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Speaker 3: Our answer would be like, well, let's do it's tikle,

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Speaker 3: why tit? It's fish out of Water, It's a sixties

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Speaker 3: wild ride movie, and then they're pulled into the modern age.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be cool?

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Speaker 3: So I guess, using that same logic, if we're talking

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Speaker 3: about the multiverse, there is a version where you can

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Speaker 3: pull a young, radicalized Holocaust survivor Magneto into a modern

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Speaker 3: age where he still has that experience.

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Speaker 1: But I would doubt. I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a way you can do it

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Speaker 2: without it. The question is what does that look like?

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Speaker 3: And I think that's going to be the hardest thing

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Speaker 3: for them to do because it was I mean, the

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Speaker 3: reason to kind of answer go back to answer Sarah's question.

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Speaker 3: The reason that Magneto looks old in those first X

1217
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Speaker 3: Men movies is because they needed him.

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Speaker 2: To be a Holocaust viver. So that's what aged him.

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Speaker 2: It was just the narrative necessity.

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Speaker 3: And as for your I think about the Toni and

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Speaker 3: Cap thing a lot, because I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: people want that. I am all for recasting. I think

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Speaker 3: it's the most exciting way to do it. There is

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Speaker 3: precedent in the comics of teen Tony. It's very hated.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Mark's going to look.

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Speaker 2: Back to that, but I do.

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Speaker 3: I do think to me, that's what I think is

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Speaker 3: exciting RDIJ Chris Evan's brilliant. But if I see Tony

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Speaker 3: Stark in, I want to see like twenty five year

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Speaker 3: old Tony.

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Speaker 2: I want them to.

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Speaker 3: Find a brilliant young actor who has that like arrogance

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Speaker 3: and anger, and I want to see him against this

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Speaker 3: pure minded, like idealistic cap like. So I think that

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Speaker 3: I think that if they do it, I think you've

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Speaker 3: got to multiverse it. Pick some new act thinks that's.

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Speaker 1: What and is pretty It seems pretty sure that Fagy's

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Speaker 1: anti reboot. Yes, we will just bring stuff in and

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Speaker 1: figure out how to make it work within the timeline.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's so far.

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Speaker 3: They haven't gone the the other big Disney property you

1242
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 3: might have heard of.

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Speaker 2: It's called Star Wars.

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Speaker 3: They have a pensiont for doing a lot of de aging,

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Speaker 3: and luckily we haven't them.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to see that. And even when you.

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Speaker 3: Had Chris Evans at the end of uh, you know, endgame,

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Speaker 3: he they did old people make up. Even then it

1249
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: was it was practical. So I'm hoping that we're going

1250
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Speaker 3: to stay in that realm of reality.

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Speaker 1: Do we see old Chris Evans, old Captain America running

1252
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Speaker 1: around in our current.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden Captain America.

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Speaker 1: He's there, Serum is still strong, like you could probably bench.

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Speaker 3: He needs to come back and make up for all

1256
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Speaker 3: those a trust easy ignored while he was dancing with

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Speaker 3: his missus.

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Speaker 8: Like, so, I've always wanted like Brandon Sampson's Cosumer books adapted.

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Speaker 8: I'm so curious. What are some things that have not

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Speaker 8: been adapted for TV or movies that y'all would like

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Speaker 8: to see?

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Speaker 1: I have a god we're running out of stuff at

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Speaker 1: this point.

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Speaker 3: But no, Okay, so I have a White Whale, But

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Speaker 3: like many of us, I think it's a dream. But

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Speaker 3: also I never want to see it adapted. So there

1267
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 3: is a comic book that I love that if you

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Speaker 3: listen to podcasts I talk about it a lot, called

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Speaker 3: Love and Rockets, Yeah, which is by the Hernandez Brothers,

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Speaker 3: and it is this slice. It's a mix between a

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Speaker 3: Slice of Life and a science fiction comic about putting

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Speaker 3: the TX punks in like the eighties and and but

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Speaker 3: the thing about the comics. That's amazing is over forty years,

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Speaker 3: the comics of the characters have grown with the comics.

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Speaker 2: There's no sliding timeline.

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Speaker 3: They get older and it's this brilliant queer punk rock

1277
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Speaker 3: story and I always wanted to know, like it feels

1278
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 3: like the nineties, like a reality bites era kind of

1279
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: movie should have been the time for it to get made.

1280
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Speaker 3: So I don't know how it exists now, but that's

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Speaker 3: the one where sometimes I'll see a brilliant actress or

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Speaker 3: I'll see like some kind of like brilliant queer fashion

1283
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Speaker 3: shoot and I'm like, oh, love and rockets, Like it

1284
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: could exist, but do I really want it? I'd probably

1285
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 3: hate it. I'd probably be like crying every day, like

1286
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Speaker 3: watching it, like.

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Speaker 2: Why did they do this?

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Speaker 1: Like I that would be the one because it's kind

1289
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Speaker 1: of like the last giant indie comic that they have.

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Speaker 1: It really is that they haven't adapted yet because.

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Speaker 3: It's really from the black and white boom mirror. We've

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Speaker 3: had Ninja Turtles comics. You know, We're having a Yasagi

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Speaker 3: Ya Jimbo Netflix show. Like these comics that came out

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Speaker 3: at the same time. A lot of them have been

1295
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Speaker 3: adapted and Love and Rockets is really that one where

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Speaker 3: you're just like it's it's scary to take it on.

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Speaker 3: But like the early stuff, especially that Himey did, like

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01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 3: Maggie the Mechanics was this like very It's what inspired

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01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: Tank Girl. She's like a badass, like queer mechanic and

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Speaker 3: she does to like a world of dinosaurs. So I

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Speaker 3: think if you're going to do a movie, you could

1302
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 3: do the more sci fi. But I think HBO Max

1303
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 3: kind of Prestige TV ten episode, there's a version of it,

1304
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: especially now where people are really interested in like expanding

1305
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 3: ideas of representation on TV and having authentic storytelling. I

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01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 3: think there's a space. And you're right, it's really the

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Speaker 3: last big indie.

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Speaker 1: Comic I think mine would be. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: Saga it will happen. How has that not happened to

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Speaker 1: actually been at some point?

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Speaker 3: Just probably post Paper Girls, because that's going to be

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Speaker 3: the big BKV.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Brian Cavon Extravaganza, Saga, the Fiona Staples art

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Speaker 1: that is just like so incredible and sumptuous. The best clothes,

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Speaker 1: My favorite clothes in a comic is every fashion is beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I think that that.

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Speaker 2: I think that is actually so likely.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't think that they made it so

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Speaker 1: fantastical and imagine that they so.

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Speaker 3: To me that was I used to say that was

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Speaker 3: alongside the unfilmable comics like watch Men, you know, which has.

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Speaker 2: Obviously never been filmed.

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Speaker 3: It's very unfilmable, but like because of that, But I

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Speaker 3: think where we are now, you have a Lord of

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Speaker 3: the Rings show being made by a billionaire company and

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Speaker 3: every episode costs four million dollars and it.

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Speaker 1: Hadn't been a quarter of a billion just to get it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the billion dollars season, right, I think we're

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Speaker 3: living in a world where there's too much. There's just

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Speaker 3: unthinkable amounts of money. So in that sense, could Saga

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Speaker 3: get made probably very beautifully? Yeah, I actually think it

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Speaker 3: probably could. Now the question is who could helmet? Do

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Speaker 3: they understand the vision? And could it be weird enough? Also,

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Speaker 3: it would have to be R rated. That is like

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Speaker 3: a saucy gout, that's the way it should be.

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Speaker 2: But I think it would be.

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Speaker 3: I think it would be hard in an age of

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Speaker 3: superheroes for them to not want a PG thirteen NET

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Speaker 3: because it's.

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Speaker 1: So hbox multiple seasons.

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Speaker 3: Also with the mindset of I have a lot of

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Speaker 3: moral and ethical issues with Watchmen ever being adapted because

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Speaker 3: it was essentially stolen from the creators by DC with

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Speaker 3: dodgy contracting. But I will say if you went into

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Speaker 3: a saga with the mindset of the recent Watchman TV

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Speaker 3: show where you're constantly recontextualizing the source material to make

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Speaker 3: it speak to now, I think that mindset with a

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Speaker 3: budget for saga could be absolutely groundbreaking.

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Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, one question, we've come to the end

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Speaker 1: of our time. Big thank you to everybody here. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to on behalf of Rosie and myself. Yes, everybody

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Speaker 1: here Southwest, Please enjoy the rest of the festival. Check

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Speaker 1: out x ray Vision every Friday. Goodbye everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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