WEBVTT - Perverted Justice

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 1>An sv podcast. I am Lisa and.

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<v Speaker 3>make you buy our merch. Lisa, what's going on? How

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<v Speaker 3>has your week been? We have just had the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 3>I know this comes out like a few days after

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<v Speaker 3>the Oscars, but you know, well more than a few days,

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<v Speaker 3>almost a week, almost a week.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like to talk about the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's talk about the Oscars. You kick it off, babe.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a fun time watching them. I thought they

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<v Speaker 2>were fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a seventeen out of twenty three on my ballot,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm very good at guessing the categories of movies

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<v Speaker 3>that I have never even heard of. So wow, my

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<v Speaker 3>husband always says I have a real gift for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Any upsets, any upsets in the home.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we watched Oppenheimer like two days before the Oscars,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought this is a good movie. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>blow me away like Poor Things did, like I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought there were better movies. But it won everything

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<v Speaker 3>because it's the kind of movie that, like everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like likes to vote for. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't watch it. You know, I'm trying to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, read see what's up. What I feel really

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<v Speaker 2>cool about is I knew so many people at the

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<v Speaker 2>Vanity Fair Oscar party.

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<v Speaker 1>Woh, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the goal is getting closer and closer. I do

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<v Speaker 2>feel like once you're at that party, you have made it.

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<v Speaker 1>You are it? Are it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And we're so Kate ber Lant was there, Michelle Buteau,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we're right.

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<v Speaker 1>There generally, Hannah Einbinder, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We're right there. But that's such a cool party. I

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<v Speaker 2>really like Jennifer Lawrence having polka dots. I love PoCA

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<v Speaker 2>dots on her red carpet. Obsessed with Billie Eilish and

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<v Speaker 2>watching her sing made me cry. She is incredible. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, that song is so pretty. I love it

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<v Speaker 2>so much. I love her outfit, I love her makeup,

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<v Speaker 2>I like her eyes, I like everything about her. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just am obsessed. I haven't watched I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>watch the Ken Song yet. I gotta watch that.

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<v Speaker 1>But and she's from Highland Park, baby. I was telling you.

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<v Speaker 3>We were watching it at a friend's house and there

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<v Speaker 3>were kids, so it was kind of like chaotic. But

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<v Speaker 3>the parents were just kind of like tuning in to

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<v Speaker 3>the awards when they would happen, and then letting the

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<v Speaker 3>kids scream during the commercials. But I was like, Rosie,

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<v Speaker 3>see the girl singing she's from where? She's from Highland Park,

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<v Speaker 3>And she was like, really, so you too can be.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think Billy Eilish comes from money, right,

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<v Speaker 1>she wealthy? I don't know. She loves her parents, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>her whole family's real tight.

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<v Speaker 2>Highland Park has been changing, but she's yeah, but she

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<v Speaker 2>grew up there, so like, who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>But she loves her parents, you know, But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about that. And she was a successful recording artist

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<v Speaker 2>by the time she was seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>What is she now? Twenty she was younger than seventeen. Crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>What was her big song? Bad Guy? Was that the

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<v Speaker 1>first hit? Yeah? For some reason, I think she was

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<v Speaker 1>like fourteen. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm wrong, but my niece loves her, like she's

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<v Speaker 2>seen her a few times in concert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if you've seen the meme, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's like millennial women going to Olivia Rodrigo concerts and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a photo of Jamie Lee Curtis from the movie

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<v Speaker 2>Freaky Friday playing guitar, and it's like, like, I do

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<v Speaker 2>I like Olivia Rodrigo, But I'm like, there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to that concert. There's absolutely no way unless

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<v Speaker 2>someone I don't know, I guess. I yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 2>need a little more maturity, I think, but Billy is

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<v Speaker 2>so mature in her vocals, Like I don't know, what

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful song, What a beautiful song.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such a pretty song. I love it so much,

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<v Speaker 3>so simple, And I knew that one was gonna win.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I think everybody was up in the air on who

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<v Speaker 3>was gonna win Best Original Screenplay, And I was happy

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<v Speaker 3>it was American Fiction because I famousfully really liked American

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<v Speaker 3>fiction and told you to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was adapted, but who what was the other one?

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<v Speaker 3>Anatomy of a Fall was original? Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 3>do love a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, you know what I voted for?

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<v Speaker 2>Was?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I voted for Barbie?

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<v Speaker 3>No, Like, it was like something that I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they'll give this one to Barbie adapted because it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't gonna win anything else. So that's like I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of that's what I put on my ballot. Was I

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<v Speaker 3>put Barbie?

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<v Speaker 2>No? The thing is, everyone knows how I feel about

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<v Speaker 2>the Barbie movie, but like, in terms of set design

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<v Speaker 2>and production design, I don't know who won, but absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot imagine it being better than Barbie. That is

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing where it was like Barbie was so

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<v Speaker 2>written off, and I'm like, are we fully denying that

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<v Speaker 2>they built a Malibu dream house?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it was poor things which also had like

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<v Speaker 3>amazing set design.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, did you see the clip of Emma's stone running

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<v Speaker 2>because she was Have you seen this? No?

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<v Speaker 1>So she I think it was right after she won.

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<v Speaker 2>She's talking to her husband and a friend and you

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<v Speaker 2>can hear her going, you guys can stay out here,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go in.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she turned and.

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<v Speaker 2>She goes, oh my god, and she says her friend

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<v Speaker 2>the friend's name, but it's like her makeup artist won

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<v Speaker 2>the award, and then it's her just running in her

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<v Speaker 2>gown to like support her friend who just want an oscar.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just like really sweet, cute, funny, amazing. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, she can do no wrong to me, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed with her. Yeah, I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people wanted Lily Gladstone to win. I did not see

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<v Speaker 2>that movie, but I cannot compare anything. But when I

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<v Speaker 2>saw Poor Things, I went, that's the greatest living actress

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<v Speaker 2>of our generation. Yeah, she's probably our new maryl I

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<v Speaker 2>was blown away by that performance. Yeah, and Lily Gladstone

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<v Speaker 2>was amazing, And I feel like maybe the only reason

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't win is because her screen time is not

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, Like she's actually not no spoilers, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know the story of it, she is being

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<v Speaker 2>poisoned slowly, like throughout the movie, so she is in

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<v Speaker 2>bed for a lot of it, just like sweating and almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Dye, you know, So there's not as much dialogue.

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<v Speaker 3>But she was amazing and I think it would have

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<v Speaker 3>been awesome for her to win as well, but like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they both were. They both were very great, but no,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, and I'm lying. I didn't put Barbie

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<v Speaker 3>for that. I put Poor Things for Best Adapted because

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to piss off my husband because he read

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<v Speaker 3>the book and he said the book was better, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I want the screenplay to win for

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<v Speaker 3>Best Adapted, but it didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm looking at the set design. I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved Poor Things, but like I did really love

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<v Speaker 2>the way Barbie looked and like how they built stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess Poor Things was more fantastical and came

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<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere with like minimal real life references.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know. Yeah, it's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I am sort of not looking forward to

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<v Speaker 3>like what's going to be replaced by AI in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I love the practical stuff that gets built for

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<v Speaker 3>these movies, and like, I think it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>so crazy when they're just like, Okay, you're on the

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<v Speaker 3>moon now and it's just AI like making clips or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so Julia, our friend, she's watching like Masters of

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<v Speaker 2>the Air or something like that on Apple. She's very

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<v Speaker 2>into World War two and this is about the fighter planes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And she said that it was incredible, like this, it

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<v Speaker 2>looks beautiful because it's all these planes and I go,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I wonder how they shot it.

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes, it's not real. It's computers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot that, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you can make stuff look cool with that, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is they can't crash planes with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm like, I get it. Well, CGI and AI

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<v Speaker 3>are a little bit different. I think we've been doing

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<v Speaker 3>okay with CGI. That's the word I was looking for. Yeah, CGI. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like CGI, we've been okay with And even some people

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<v Speaker 3>would say CGI is too much Like the movie three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred is like fully done in the green screen, and

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<v Speaker 3>people don't like when that stuff looks kind of faky

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<v Speaker 3>and you can see the CGI and like it's only gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Get worse with AI. That movie was ahead of its time. Now, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of my favorites. Oh, I've never seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just use it as an example because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's an example of.

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<v Speaker 2>People you've never even seen it. I know I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen three hundred. I've never seen Oh. I saw in

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<v Speaker 2>the movie theater multiple times. And then for Halloween, me

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<v Speaker 2>and my friend dressed as Spartans and we air brushed

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves fully gold like I was into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, yeah, you saying anything like I don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>thought I would get right up on your grill.

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<v Speaker 3>But oh, is this why you thought we that you

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<v Speaker 3>saw Drew R. Butler behind us at the airport at

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<v Speaker 3>that time? Or did we really see him? Was it

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<v Speaker 3>really hammered? You just thought it was him?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no.

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<v Speaker 2>The woman at the clear lost her mind to the

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<v Speaker 2>guy behind me, and I kept looking and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what I don't I don't, I can't put

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<v Speaker 2>my finger on it. And then she thought he was

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<v Speaker 2>Liam Neeson and I had to be like, babe, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not Liam Neese.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh babe. But it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So funny. But wait, I think Headley's in it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>her big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Who oh Lena Hetty, Lena Hetty, Yeah, yeah, did I

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<v Speaker 1>call her Headley? And I don't know, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah two thousand and six, Like what kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>cutting edge for us? It's like going back and being

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<v Speaker 2>like Jaws. You can tell it's not real. It's like yeah, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well that's actually what's.

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<v Speaker 1>Been annoying me lately. So Caitlin Clark, it's like really amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean what she's done for women's sports, women's basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>like everything is so incredible to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course the comments on Instagram in cell

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<v Speaker 2>vibes like and all these people are like the three

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<v Speaker 2>point shots didn't even exist in the previous record, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, that's sport, what are you talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>Like swimsuits have changed, turf has changed, protection rules lines

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, you cannot invalidate hers and not every other

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<v Speaker 2>sports thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that is what technology does with sports.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like these guys just they cannot They just

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<v Speaker 2>hate women, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Why won't but won't admit it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, but your actions are proving it in such

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<v Speaker 2>a clear way to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this dead basketball player from the seventies doesn't need

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<v Speaker 3>you standing up for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if he's dead. I'm sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying he's way old.

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<v Speaker 2>No, But also other men who have beaten older record,

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<v Speaker 2>like there were just people giving examples like yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>three point line didn't exist for lots of records that

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<v Speaker 2>have been been built and no one has been upset,

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<v Speaker 2>Like right, it's so annoying. It's stupid to even focus

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<v Speaker 2>on that because it's so much good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, to sell out, to have like the

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<v Speaker 2>most people watching, to have like male athletes showing up,

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<v Speaker 2>to like, you know, huge stars supporting her, it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes me really happy. And you had a

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<v Speaker 3>big show on the night of the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 2>How'd that go? It's so funny. Yeah, I booked a show.

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<v Speaker 2>It did sell out. Anyone at Union Hall. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for coming. Obsessed with all of you. It

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<v Speaker 2>was amazing. My friends are so funny. I love Union Hall.

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<v Speaker 2>No one really cared about the Oscars. And I've been

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<v Speaker 2>doing a thing where I bring a bucket and people

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<v Speaker 2>write stuff and we all improvise off the buckets and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like, oh, really a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I hung out with your best friend Rachel

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<v Speaker 2>and a few of us till midnight.

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<v Speaker 1>We hung out. She loves saying she does love to hang.

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<v Speaker 2>She's so supportive. I mean to also buy a ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very rare.

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<v Speaker 1>She always buys. I go.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think Lisa will put you on the

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<v Speaker 3>list and she always buys.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I told her again, I go, you really don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to continuously buy all of these, like I will

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<v Speaker 2>put you on lists. But it is it is kind.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nice though. I cried last night from pure joy.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was the Cara Klink last night. I bought

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<v Speaker 2>the tickets. I put a group together, I got the

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<v Speaker 2>group chat going. Oh. I was the field trip instructor.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a marvelous group of friends. We went to

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<v Speaker 2>Joe's Pub to watch Larry Owens do a musical theater night.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, and this girl Shana and Celeste. Their voices,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was one of the like to think

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<v Speaker 2>the voices coming out of them. But it's Larry wrote

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<v Speaker 2>like the blind Side the musical, So that's what a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it was. And it's so genius. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>it with Henry Koperski, who did our.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh who does our theme song?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who's a genius composer. But you know, I was sitting,

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<v Speaker 2>we were all in a few tables enjoying the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and my friend turned to me and she goes, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a Monday night in New York, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>fully started crying. I was like, I can't even believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>The talent we're seeing for twenty dollars on a Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>are you? And then I got drunk and then at the.

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<v Speaker 3>Time of my life, and I love Joe's Pub. Joe's

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<v Speaker 3>Pub is just like a great place to see. People say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to become a member. I've decided I'm becoming

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<v Speaker 3>a member. Yeah, I live right here, I'm becoming a member.

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<v Speaker 3>I support the arts. I've only actually been there a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of times, but one of the times I went

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<v Speaker 3>was to see Bridget Everett.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my first time there too, and the tender

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<v Speaker 1>Moments and it was great.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love how the artists can enter and the

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<v Speaker 2>food was good. I gotta, I mean, and I also

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<v Speaker 2>got to I got a mini corn dog on a six.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like dipping a corn dog while watching like

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<v Speaker 2>the most amazing singers I've ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we went to a bar Swift named after

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Swift. Okay, but you probably loved that. I did

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<v Speaker 2>love it. I was the only one who knew. I

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<v Speaker 2>kept talking about it. I'm like, he's who taught me

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<v Speaker 2>about satire. Junior year of high school, Like, we were

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<v Speaker 2>taught satire by his work and then we had to

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<v Speaker 2>write our own satire. So to me, he's very that's

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<v Speaker 2>very important to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like, what did Jonathan Swift write? Did I

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<v Speaker 1>study him in high school?

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<v Speaker 2>All of ours travels? That's the big one. Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big one. But I just know about this

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<v Speaker 2>essay the bag account. Hopefully I'm not wrong. But I

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<v Speaker 2>kept talking about this essay and everyone's like, shut up,

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<v Speaker 2>no one cares. Get us more vodka. Yeah, dumb bitch,

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was. I just love the I love

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<v Speaker 2>the arts.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you love the arts. You're a patron of the arts, oscars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have to see some movie. Should I see Killers.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Moon?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to, I will be honest. My husband

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<v Speaker 3>just put it on in the room that I was

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<v Speaker 3>in to finish it. So I only watched the last

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<v Speaker 3>hour and a half and I was into it. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think from what I've heard from people that the

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<v Speaker 3>last hour and a half is the best. I just

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<v Speaker 3>can't get on board with these three hour movies. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I did watch Oppenheimer, but I was on my phone

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch, like it's just it's too long. Three hours

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<v Speaker 3>these the men need to relax and Michael see Zone

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<v Speaker 3>of Interest this week. I know that's like a real

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a downer movie. But it won for sound design,

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<v Speaker 3>which everybody's everyone I've talked to has said the sound

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<v Speaker 3>design is incredible, So I think I have to go

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<v Speaker 3>see it in the theater.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched like a little clip online about the sound. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>there's all these shots of like he wanted it to

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<v Speaker 2>look like people working in a house, and he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>it to sound like everyone is doing things on their

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<v Speaker 2>own in the house. So because that's how houses are,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, It's not like everyone is silent while you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing one thing. And so there were hidden cameras in

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<v Speaker 2>Mike's in all of the rooms, so the actors did

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<v Speaker 2>not know where the cameras or MIC's were. Ooh, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it would be like action and then everyone would

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<v Speaker 2>just be doing what they do in a house. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the only thing I know about the sound that's

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<v Speaker 2>like overlap being and unique to that movie. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the theater is a great idea for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Well, I went to go see our friend do

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<v Speaker 1>a one man show. Will show. I went to Will's.

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<v Speaker 3>Show, and then Saturday night I went to Jared and

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<v Speaker 3>I did a show called Them's the Rules where the

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<v Speaker 3>man does a set and the woman gets to interrupt

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<v Speaker 3>him whenever they want.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was fun. Did you have fun?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I interrupted his alass, I made fun of him.

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<v Speaker 1>I roasted him. It was great. It was so fun.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a really fun time because the other people

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<v Speaker 3>that were there were not couples, so you could tell

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<v Speaker 3>they were like, is it okay if I interrupt?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just like, what's up? Cook?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just was really yelling at him like the

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<v Speaker 3>whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had to win a blast.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, we are such like elder millennials because

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<v Speaker 2>I've just gotten into saying cook and it is fun,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it was popular four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Ago, yeah, five to six.

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<v Speaker 2>Just now on stage, I started saying beta cook and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't even know what that mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe this is coming out of yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you know who else was singing?

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<v Speaker 2>Cat Cohen's boyfriend is on stage too, Brian, who has

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<v Speaker 2>an F one podcast. But it was like a shock

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<v Speaker 2>to see him and and he sings. He's an actor

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<v Speaker 2>and he sings. Yeah, but I didn't know he sings.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew he was an actor, but because he's friends

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<v Speaker 2>with Mark Forrestein.

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<v Speaker 3>An actor and a singer who loves f one, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>people contain multitudes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we also got to talk about porn. He's like

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<v Speaker 2>a pornhead like me, Like, yeah, it's very rare. You

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<v Speaker 2>get to talk about the names and the girl and

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<v Speaker 2>like they're like their journeys and so it was really

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<v Speaker 2>fun to talk to someone that like we knew all the.

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<v Speaker 1>Same people and like that was kind of exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm sure this isn't a kind of porn that

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<v Speaker 3>you're into. Maybe it is a no shame, but I

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<v Speaker 3>just heard about cock porn for the first time that

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<v Speaker 3>that's a very popular search term. Now that was twenty

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<v Speaker 3>years ago. But I don't, like, you know, I'm really

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<v Speaker 3>not porny, unfortunately, I've tried.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's just not catching with me. No, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not winning any Oscars for sound design. It's beneath you.

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<v Speaker 2>Care's beneath you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I'm spending my time on. The sound

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<v Speaker 1>design officers.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we are going to get started in a second,

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<v Speaker 3>but I wanted to mention it's starting today, there is

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this weekend, I'll be in Rochester for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my mom went to college there. Oh my god. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Nashville, Chicago, Tacoma, Spokane, Spokane, whatever, don't come

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<v Speaker 2>for me, Baltimore, Austin, La Santa Fe, New Orleans, Kansas City. No,

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<v Speaker 2>then it goes too far. I mean, I'm not giving

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<v Speaker 2>you my November dates. But also if you're in the

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<v Speaker 2>area of Springfield, Missouri. I think I have mentioned on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast one of our friends did pass in December,

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<v Speaker 2>and his dear friends put together a festival and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a comedy festival in the spirit of

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<v Speaker 2>our friend Kennedy to Forest.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not going to be like just tribute.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we want to come see a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago comics and other people not from Chicago but his

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<v Speaker 2>friends and stuff. That's April twenty third to April twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighth and Springfield, Missouri at the Blue Room Comedy Club.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I mean, maybe some people will be

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<v Speaker 2>depress but you can come to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can come to Sorry, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the greatest comics and they'll all be there

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<v Speaker 3>and you can follow to four fests on Instagram d

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<v Speaker 3>E f O r e f E s T to

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<v Speaker 3>get like the links and the show schedules and stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's gonna be a cool fest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for saying it. I still cannot say the fest.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I know, there's like a wordplay with his name

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<v Speaker 2>and the festival, and I cannot, yeah, figure it out

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<v Speaker 2>and say it out of my mouth. It's like really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I also realized what I forgot to mention this whole

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<v Speaker 2>time is Traders season finale reunion everything, and so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna give it any away about Traders and whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But what is so funny is so they have of

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<v Speaker 2>this reunion and the gamers like Survivor the Challenge, like

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<v Speaker 2>they are used to fucking each other over because it's

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<v Speaker 2>like they're in those types of games and so to

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<v Speaker 2>them it's a game. But all the Bravo people acted

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<v Speaker 2>like it's a Bravo reunion and the gamers couldn't handle it,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm Jay got screwed over. She blocked them to

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<v Speaker 2>stay the girl. She was like, you blocked us. Immediately

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, yeah, and I'm never gonna speak to you again.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys are giving grifter energy. I was bamboozle And

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<v Speaker 2>then like they asked Phadra about a guy, They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about Dan? She goes, He's a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of shit. And they're like, but you'll forgive him.

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<v Speaker 2>She goes, I will never speak to you again.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, and didn't Andy Cohen host the Reason? Yes? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think, like Alan Cumming didn't host that? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Andy's the best in the game. It's like, if you

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<v Speaker 2>could get Andy, why wouldn't you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Alan.

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<v Speaker 2>To me is an actor, a performer, a fashion you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's a But Andy is very good at reunions

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<v Speaker 2>and it's so many of the people he knew. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was just so funny, like the Survivor people being like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a game, and then and.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bravo people are like, this is our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, even if you have not watched Traders, I would

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<v Speaker 2>say the reunion is just so funny to watch how

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<v Speaker 2>pissed the Bravo people were that got fucked over.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>I have literally been the way that I scroll through

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<v Speaker 3>a carousel about Traders memes having not watched one moment

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<v Speaker 3>of the show. I'm like obsessed with like the vibe

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<v Speaker 3>of Traders, but I have not watched any of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it talks about it with your friend Rachel and

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<v Speaker 1>New York. She's oubsessed.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like Kara wants to watch it, but has it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, but the fomo will take over. It'll

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<v Speaker 2>kill her, like she'll have to watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know when things hit a fever pitch in the

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<v Speaker 3>zeitgeist for me, that's when I'm like, I gotta watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I went and saw the movie Hereditary. I went

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<v Speaker 1>to go see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would never see a movie like that, but people

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't stop fucking talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I'm going, you know, so I'm going,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna. I'm getting into Traders. In fact, we just

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<v Speaker 3>we just finished The Bear last night, finally, my husband

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<v Speaker 3>and I season two, and now I'm gonna get into Traders.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got extra time and I heard, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>I heard we're heading into a Bravo desert, So this

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<v Speaker 3>is my perfect time to get into Traders.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did you feel about the Bear? You know

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<v Speaker 2>how much I loved it? How did you like it?

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<v Speaker 3>I love the Bear? The performances are amazing. Do I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's a comedy, Not really, but I love it

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<v Speaker 3>so much. I think it's such a great show and

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<v Speaker 3>the acting is so good and it looks beautiful, and

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<v Speaker 3>it makes me want to know how a restaurant is run,

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<v Speaker 3>like I want to be in a kid which I

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<v Speaker 3>still don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>How when a restaurant is full.

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<v Speaker 3>They make all these meals for all these people, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I truly don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't feel like enough people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about the practice, I know, Like it just

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel like I don't get it, like I've worked

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<v Speaker 2>in restaurants, but like with you know, two line cooks

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<v Speaker 2>making fried food, like I haven't really worked in a

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<v Speaker 2>fine dining at all. Like it seems like to make

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<v Speaker 2>one of these little moose canolis with with a parmesan

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<v Speaker 2>crisp and a and a pistachio crumble like that that

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<v Speaker 2>would take you twenty five minutes at least to make

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<v Speaker 2>it perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>And people are ordering seventeen at a time, like are

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<v Speaker 1>these orders are firing? Like it's just it's stressful.

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<v Speaker 3>And that final episode of the season, I was like

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<v Speaker 3>about to have a heart attack.

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<v Speaker 1>There was just too many things going wrong at one time?

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<v Speaker 1>And how is that Forks episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, the Taylor Swift, the Forks when he goes when

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<v Speaker 2>Ebon works at the with Olivia Coleman.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so good. Well you didn't even remember it.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't remember which one you were talking about. I

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<v Speaker 3>was called Forks. Yeah, I forgot that it was called Forks.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I forgot the name of it. You

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<v Speaker 3>have to remember, I'm also waiting weeks before watching these episodes, like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's why it's taking me so long.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you also have so many things in your brain.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that episode you're talking about two months ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, I like I love that one. I like

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<v Speaker 3>the little solitary ones where he goes out. I like

0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:20.920
<v Speaker 3>the Denmark one. I mean, it's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>At Denmark one. The end of that episode brought me

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<v Speaker 2>to tears. It's just such a beautiful show. And the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing that makes me so livid is Chris Storer,

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<v Speaker 2>the creator director, used to direct comedy specials. I could

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<v Speaker 2>you know if No, not that he would even want

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<v Speaker 2>to work with me, But that dream is I think

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<v Speaker 2>the dream is long gone once you do the Bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, let's get started. We've got a wild episode for

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<v Speaker 3>you guys today, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Do have to mention the bear. Did you like the romance?

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people didn't like that actress

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<v Speaker 2>mot but like, did you see the scene where they're

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<v Speaker 2>like flirty and they're looking and he actually seems shy

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<v Speaker 2>like before they and it's like I just thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was so romantic and sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't, Okay, yes I do. I think they're so

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<v Speaker 3>romantic and sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I discovered her through theater camp, so I like think

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<v Speaker 3>she's funny no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, I like this girl.

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<v Speaker 3>But like a little bit, like after they've been dating

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<v Speaker 3>for a while, I kind of wanted them to like

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<v Speaker 3>talk more normal, and she still seems like she's a

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.720
<v Speaker 3>little bit manic pixie dream girl even when they're just

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<v Speaker 3>having regular convos down the road. So I was kind

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:30.119
<v Speaker 3>of like, what's going on? But I like their relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>I want I want it to I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I do like it. I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>She's great, And Jared kept going, I mean, no spoilers,

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 3>the show has been out forever. Please fast forward if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to bear spoiler. But Jared's like, who

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<v Speaker 3>would break up with this woman? Who would break up

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<v Speaker 3>with this woman, like he was just like, but I understood.

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I called it early. Actually, I was like, he's going

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 3>to break up with her because she's too much of

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<v Speaker 3>a distraction to his obsession with being the best you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's a doctor, so it's like, how what

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 2>are they going to see each other?

0:24:58.040 --> 0:24:59.159
<v Speaker 1>The schedules are.

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<v Speaker 2>Insane totally, But when he listens to the voicemail, oh God, heartbreaking,

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<v Speaker 2>A wild run.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Check it out and stay tuned for my Trader's recaps

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<v Speaker 3>coming up very soon on this podcast. But let's get started.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a great episode for you guys today.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we are starting with Perverted Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>Good title, good title.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Season sixteen, episode twenty one. Let's see if we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get some perverted justice. It sounds like a porno.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but this is a very serious, sad episode

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, pretty haunting, but something about that title makes

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<v Speaker 2>it seem more exciting and a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we start off at a church with a.

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<v Speaker 2>Decked out cross hanging and engraved in the white marble

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<v Speaker 2>and gold. It says Jehovah is in his holy temple,

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<v Speaker 2>be silent before him. All the earth just in case

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<v Speaker 2>it has important meaning for later. I didn't see anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe some of you Bible thumpers will catch catch

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<v Speaker 2>some meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>There.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a man is preaching. He's doing a sermon

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<v Speaker 2>about love and truth. Love bears things, patient and hopeful.

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Love never fails. And then we see of course Samaira

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Wiley and she is crying. She's clutching a photo of

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<v Speaker 2>a young child and a father having a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so she's in the church. It's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>The good time is in the photo. And then it's

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<v Speaker 2>a fast cut to a man holding a bowl talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Noah and welcoming him into a community. What community?

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<v Speaker 2>Where are we? What is happening? Like? How is everyone Catholic?

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<v Speaker 2>But don't worry, they're not. It's not a baptism, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a Unitarian church situation. And we get like expository dialogue

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:51.679
<v Speaker 2>later to let us know it's Unitarian. So you know,

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:55.119
<v Speaker 2>he's getting a cool, relaxed, chill religious leader. Who's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you not that religious? There are some people in the pews.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who they are. Tomorrow's there, KREESI. They're

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.160
<v Speaker 2>standing in their Sunday's best. They do look like dorks.

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 2>Benson is wearing a March pink Chanel suit vibe from

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<v Speaker 2>The Simpsons Those Who Know no She mentions truth on

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.679
<v Speaker 2>your sweet lips to Noah and dabs his lips with

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Unitarian water.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't love that.

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<v Speaker 2>We see Rollins is there as well, and they're discussing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe how many times I've said Unitarian, but

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>they're talking about it again. She didn't grow up with religion,

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 2>but she wanted to know it at least have something

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 2>to ground him, so that's why she did this.

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.359
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if they do this a little bit because

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 3>also Mrshca Hargate is religious.

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, yeah, of course. But I try to

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 2>avoid that topic.

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 3>Because like Benson has never ever been like wearing a

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 3>cross or talking about God.

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's not religious.

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I had I have a friend once who

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, I have Jewish friends that are

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.879
<v Speaker 2>super chip, like, don't keep kosher, don't really do the holidays,

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 2>don't do anything. And as soon as they have a kid,

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.920
<v Speaker 2>they're chopping the tip of the dick off because of Judea.

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 2>As soon as it's circumcision, it's like we gotta do

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>it we're Jewish, and it's like you eat bacon, Like

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 2>why for this? Like why for this giant thing? Are

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you suddenly a you know, part religion? So I think

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 2>that like breaks some people's brains where they're like, I

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 2>fucking hated Catholic school. It was the worst. It was traumatizing.

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I have all this guilt and shame and I'm my kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sending my kids.

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Of course I got a baptize and I can't have

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<v Speaker 3>him hanging out in purgatory like yeah, like your brain

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 3>just breaks in some way or like suddenly you I

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 3>don't know whatever.

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>She wanted to ground him. So we're back with Samira

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Wiley and she is stressed. She's walking out and this

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 2>religious leader is in purple gold, black velvet. He greets

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>her at the back of the church, glad to see

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 2>her back at services. We learn her name is Michelle.

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 2>She's working her program. It's her ninth step and you

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>know she wants to make amends her father. Then I

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>finally see the religious leader is Leslie Odom Junior, or

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 2>a resident guy in Glasses. He's in seven episodes as

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>this character, and he's like your dad's in jail and

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 2>that is not your fault, and she goes, it is

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I lied to the police. She says it's not enough

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to say sorry. I want justice and wants to reach

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 2>out to Andre Brower Rip. But yeah, his character Bayard

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Alice Bayard Alice Ellis, It's gonna be a rough one

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 2>for me. I'll say that I'm gonna have a tough

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 2>time this episode. So Ellis is someone who helps innocent

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 2>people get out of jail. Andre Bauer is a legend

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 2>that we all love, and I'm sure everyone that knows

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 2>him misses him. They stare at each other all for

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 2>a while, and then we are in prison. So a

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 2>man we can assume as the father is teaching another

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 2>inmate how to read.

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<v Speaker 1>And this in May.

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 2>We actually meet again in the Yates Rudkinne escape episode.

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 2>He's Redkin's like roommate and then a Yates al Yeah,

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like he's part of the group and is like

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>scared of them, but like you know, he sees the

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 2>whole tunnel, but he's not going with those too fucking psychopaths.

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Wow, good catch. I did not notice that guy at all.

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I did?

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I did.

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 2>The door opens and the dad is shocked to have

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 2>a visitor, like when they're like visitor, He's like okay,

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Hector like come back and find me and they're like, no,

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>it's for you. He's like what the folk and that

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 2>he's even more in shock to see Michelle and he's like,

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>why are you here. She introduces Andre to the dad

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, I told him, daddy, the truth that

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 2>you never raped me. And he breathes deep and they're

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 2>likeas like tears welling up in his eyes. Credits, So

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 2>we opened back up on Benson with Ellis and she

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>is showing him photos of Noah on her phone and

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 2>they're at a swanky type of restaurant and you know,

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 2>she's chatting about hopefully the adoption will be official.

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>In a month yay.

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>So they sit down and Benson's like, Babe, I know

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you didn't invite me to dinner to talk about Noah,

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>so let me have it. And he explains that Reverend

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Scott asked him to look into this case and explains

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 2>that Derek was convicted of raping his daughter seventeen years

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 2>ago when she was six years old. She's like, Dan,

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 2>that's a tough case for Project Innocence to get behind.

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Rape of his own child. What are you doing?

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 2>He goes, yeah, but the case was mostly made on

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>her testimony, and she is now saying that her mother

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>pressured her to lie and she wants to recant. She

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>tried once to recant before as a teen, but the

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>ADA and detective didn't want to reopen the case, and

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 2>that's when she spiraled into drugs and alcohol and is

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 2>now recently sober so a recant part of a twelve

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 2>step program. Benson's like, that's not really reliable. It's not

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 2>a really reliable indicator of the truth. And he's like, no,

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I know. That's why I need your help to investigate.

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be hard. There's no DNA, there's no forensics,

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 2>there's no corroboration. It's only her testimony. And also the

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>medical symptoms were inconclusive. Her mother had her own history

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>of substance abuse issues, and she's the one that made

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 2>the initial nine to one one call. She asks if

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 2>he met the father, and he did and says he's

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>a top notch prisoner and he found him credible and

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 2>he has maintained his innocence the whole time. And then

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Ellis says, you know, it's hard enough saying someone what

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that was convicted of a crime, didn't commit it. But

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>he goes it's harder even to convince that the crime

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>never took place. So Benson's like, great, and you thought

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 2>of me and she smirks. He smiles, You know whatever,

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 2>It's cute. Back at the office, Tomorrow's pissed. He's like,

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck now we got to invest in almost

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty year incest. Drape tell him to do the work.

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Christy and Rollins are there too, and Creasey's like, wow,

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>ellis a legend. I'll do anything for him. So Tomorrow

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>turns to Benson goes, no, I know he's your friend,

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 2>but do we really need to work this fucking closed case.

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Benson breaks it down and goes, yeah, we're doing it. Like,

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>shut the fuck up. She goes, this isn't about friendship.

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>SVU didn't even handle this case. Some local precinct did

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 2>and they really hated Derek Thompson. And when he finally

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>got a lawyer, it was some rental lawyer who could

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>barely pay for transcript copies.

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>We have to look into this. That's our job.

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Benson sits on Rollin's desk, so that's kind of hot

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 2>and casual and starts reading out the names of the

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 2>old cops from the case and she doesn't know any

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 2>of them. Increases whoa before a year time, that's crazy lol.

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Benson's threatens to send him back to Staten Island. Then

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 2>she teases that somebody's coming back to town and they

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 2>were here when the place was built.

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>They're fucking old. Who is it?

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Drum roll please burn, No, it's Craigan, Baby, we got Kragan.

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Craigan's there. He's showing off. He's showing off Ileen's grandkids.

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:26.959
<v Speaker 2>So that's like, you know, a girlfriend.

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 3>I kind of forgot about this, and I really love

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 3>that Craigan has a little retirement girlfriend.

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>That makes me feel really happy. Yeah, he has like

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 2>another chapter to his life. And it's like death becomes

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>her where like life can start at fifty.

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Life is long if you're lucky, Yeah, you can get

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>a second act. Yeah. J Lo proved that to us.

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>This is me dot dot dot now Colon a love story.

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, only getting fourteen thousand streams on a new

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 2>album on Spotify as like an international Oh you didn't

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>see this, I mean this was a ilogo now, so

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>it might be a little outdated. But JLO, like you know,

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>with that movie, put out an album and over the

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 2>opening weekend or the day it came out, only fourteen

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:12.800
<v Speaker 2>thousand streams on Spotify, like not even one hundred thousand

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 2>for someone like Jennifer Lopez, Like, I don't know how

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 2>she's not spiraling.

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if she blames IOH No.

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a weird project. I don't know if

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 2>she did much prep, Like, I don't know what's going on.

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I also don't know why these people can't rest, Like

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 2>why can't you just chill out? We loved the wedding planner.

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>We're on your side, like I don't. And the movie

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 2>is linked to the album because I think the movie

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>the movie is sort of just like a.

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Big long music video. I think for the new album.

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 2>It's confusing. It's it's fourteen thousand, is confused. It's that's

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.320
<v Speaker 2>bad for someone that bit like that is wild. Okay,

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So he's showing off the grandkids.

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 1>They love going on cruises.

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 2>He's so happy with his life after NYPD and tomorrow

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>tries a little humor and goes, yeah, the place is

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>falling apart without you, And then you know she has

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 2>a good sense of humor, so she doesn't care. They

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 2>walk and talk on the water. The waves have ducks

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 2>floating in them, and I love that. And Craigan does

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 2>know one of the old cops and he sucks obviously,

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 2>and the DA had family connections. He's like in white

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.479
<v Speaker 2>collar crimes now and he was just like a rich kid,

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and so that's that. Craigan says, don't reach out yet,

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 2>though he rides on a high horse and I know

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 2>an old life back in the two seven. He says,

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I'll go buy him lunch and I'll get all the

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:34.800
<v Speaker 2>gossip like a little schoolgirl. So we cut to Michelle

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 2>and she's in the woodroom with blinds and she's telling

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>her story. Her mom was out. She was drinking and drugging.

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 2>That's what her mom liked to do. And her dad

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 2>walks in and the place is a mess because she

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>was making hot dogs for her and her brother and

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 2>burned herself and he got angry that she was cooking

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 2>at six, and the dad's like, where the fuck's your mom?

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Like, I can't believe you're alone.

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 2>So they were put to sleep, and then when the

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 2>mom came home, they were screaming. There was a huge fight,

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 2>and then Michelle started to her mom came running in,

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>and that's when she told her mom about the burn.

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 2>But then she looked at Michelle strangely and started going,

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>what did your daddy do? Do you?

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>What did your daddy do?

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 2>And she didn't want her mom to be mad at her,

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 2>and every time she said like, nothing happened, the mom

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:19.359
<v Speaker 2>would get mad. So she realized that she wanted to

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 2>hear that it was her dad's fault and the dad

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 2>was doing something to her, and she agreed to all

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 2>of that and admitted it. And so the next morning,

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.359
<v Speaker 2>the mom called the cops on the dad. Rollin's is like, so,

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 2>your dad never touched you that night, and she says no.

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Her mom made her keep saying it, and she did

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 2>what she was told, but she pleads that nothing happened

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 2>that night. She swears, Chrisia tomorrow go to talk to

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 2>the mother and she's really hot and she's walking very

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:44.879
<v Speaker 2>fast and they're barely able to keep up.

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 1>She hates the cops.

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 2>She's dressed amazing, great hair and jewelry like she's stacking

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 2>the delicate gold perfectly, and she starts talking shit about

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 2>her daughter and son almost immediately, that's a red flag.

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>She's like, they're messed up. She's a drunk, She's always

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:03.919
<v Speaker 2>searching for something somewhere. This is all her dad's faults.

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Everything's because of the dad's and she's always talking shit

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and I'm late for work and she leaves. Amorro starts

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>bitching a creasy like that. He doesn't even want to

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>do the case. So now the boy's head to the

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 2>prison to talk to the dad, who's like, nothing happen.

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, well, then why would the mom want

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>to do this to you? And he goes, I don't know.

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>She's an addict, Like she would come home with a

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>wild look in her eye. He goes, usually I would

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 2>leave her alone, but I was fucking pissed. She left

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:30.359
<v Speaker 2>the kids alone in the house. They could have burned

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 2>the house down. And Amaro's like, so she screamed rape

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 2>and convinced Michelle to lie and for you to like,

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I sit in jail.

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 1>It says shit in jail, which is funny. But if we're.

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Sitting in jail, yeah, they're like, tomorrow's just like doesn't bite.

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:47.839
<v Speaker 2>He goes, she would set you up to like sit

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>in jail for a marital fight. He goes, yeah, I've

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 2>been thinking about this every day for seventeen years, motherfucker,

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Like it's on my mind. Amorrow's playing a little bad cop.

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Creasy plays a little good cop. This guy's like, I've

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.439
<v Speaker 2>been a good prisoner. I've been the best at I could.

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I write to Michelle and that boy. The boy's name's Will,

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 2>so that's his son. Every single week. I tell them

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 2>I love them. He's like, Audrey was a terrible mom,

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 2>and I was still there for them even though I

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 2>was in jail. And now Michelle is saying it didn't happen,

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>So what more do I have to do? So now

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.800
<v Speaker 2>we're in a work room and Crisey is so excited

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>to meet Bayard Ellis and he is creaming himself and

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Benson is embarrassed for him. So now we have the

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 2>same version from dad and daughter. And he's like, yeah,

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 2>that's not enough to reopen a case. Rowin's had tried

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 2>to reach the retired cop, but there's no luck. Craigan

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 2>starts walking in with Tomorrow and Rollin's is so happy

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 2>to see him, and Crazy says, call me Sonny, and

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Rollins Is like, nobody else does this like, what are

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:46.959
<v Speaker 2>you doing? Cragan and Ellis do you know each other?

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 2>And we're all like, okay, Craigan, what goods did you

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 2>get from this gossipy lunch? What's going on? And he

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 2>did get something huge. He has a letter from Michelle's

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>first grade teacher saying that actually Michelle was crying one

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 2>day at school and told the tea teacher how her

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:04.320
<v Speaker 2>mom made her lie to the police. Careese has an idea,

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 2>if they can prove that the DA had this potentially

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>expulcat I can't expulcator exculpatory evidence and didn't share it,

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.280
<v Speaker 2>then that's a slam dunk. And Benson's even more embarrassed,

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Like everyone's just so embarrassed by Caresy.

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>He's just like can't.

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Get enough a fucking Kragan of Ellis of the case.

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 1>He just like wants to fucking help.

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 2>And but also like you're giving advice to a legendary lawyer,

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Like you're giving him ideas that are basic. Maybe you're

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 2>at Fordham Law or this, Like it's just embarrassing. Yeah,

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Craigan goes, Honey, hold your horses and then calls him Sonny,

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 2>So we love it. I bet he loved that, and

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 2>he's like it could be that they were forwarded and

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Cresey's confused, like, well, why wouldn't the defense use it?

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.280
<v Speaker 2>That makes no sense, but then gets happy and smiling

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 2>and goes, oh my god, just because justice is delayed,

0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:59.959
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean that justice is denied and it's common

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 2>how dead Panna annoyed. Ellis looks at him like not

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>humored at all, and he just says, so you're new here.

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 2>So now we're in a DA conference room and this

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 2>guy O'Dwyer knows Ellis, well, you know, Elis is popular,

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and he remembers this case. It was his first case ever.

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 2>The jury deliberated for only a half an hour and

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 2>he smiles remembering all this, and he goes, it was

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 2>open and shut. And they're like, well she's recanting and

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 2>he's like really again and he's like, yeah, she came

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 2>in as a teen, but she was on drugs, so

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 2>we really didn't find her credible. Benson shines in like uh,

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.240
<v Speaker 2>but like what about the letter from the first grade teacher.

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>He's like, what are you accusing me of? And he's like, well,

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:40.879
<v Speaker 2>did you send the letter to the defense. He goes,

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 2>I absolutely did. It was nineteen ninety eight, and I

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>remember the attorney's name. Her name was Cassie Muir Moore whatever,

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:49.399
<v Speaker 2>m u I R Okay. I did the classic thing

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>where I don't eat. I chug a fucking iced coffee beverage,

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 2>and now I'm in pain. I'm hungry, I'm fascious, I

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know how to survive. I'm burping, and it's like,

0:40:59.640 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>take a.

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Second, Take a second.

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:04.720
<v Speaker 3>This actor is famous too, this guy, Robert Sean Leonard,

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 3>who plays the he's in Dead Poet Society.

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was in maybe original recipe My Crazy. Well,

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, that guy is very familiar. I didn't look

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 2>into him because I was then, well, we'll meet Kate Cassie,

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and I do know fucking Cassie.

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>So that was wild. Okay, are you looking up who

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>the guy was?

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was in so this Robert Shan Leonard. He's

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.840
<v Speaker 3>in the Gilded Age at the moment. But oh, he

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 3>was on House for one hundred and seventy six episodes.

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>That's how I know him. I was like, isn't he

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 1>a regular on regular Law and Order?

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 3>But it's a different sort of like medical procedural different,

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 3>which also had a lot of mystery elements to it house.

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>It was always somebody lying about doing something.

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's also in two other but he's in transgender Bridge,

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>which is yeah. Another Orange is the new black person

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 2>and catfishing teacher. But how do I know him? I'm like, what,

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>let me see if there's a rom common has passed.

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 3>Dead, poet Society, parabithea. No, it's like, nothing's really yeah,

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:06.840
<v Speaker 3>I really of disco. Nothing's really jumping off the page

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 3>to me. Yeah, I don't know this man. Sorry to

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 3>this man, I do not know. Sorry this man can

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 3>he palmer? What a cool girl? Okay? So he you know,

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 3>he's pissed. He's like, are you accusing me of something?

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 3>He knows, he knows the person. He goes, I have

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 3>no idea why she didn't bring it up in trial,

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 3>but I fucking sent it to her.

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 2>He's also like, but also, the dude is guilty. I

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>don't care what anyone else is doing. I know that

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 2>he's fucking guilty. So Robin's and Creasy Knock knock knock.

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 2>We're at Cassie's house and they want to talk about

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the Derek Thompson case. And I love her. She's from

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Sex and the city. She's Bitsy von Muffling. She Yeah,

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 2>she marries Nathan Lane's characters.

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I didn't recognize her. I love that.

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's in two episodes because she also then gets pregnant,

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:51.000
<v Speaker 2>so she's in that episode.

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 1>She's Nathan Lane's like little Beard.

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Well not Beard. They're married, they had a kid. They're like,

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:57.239
<v Speaker 2>they don't but.

0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Isn't he gay? Like and they kind of just I

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>thought that had kind of an arrangement.

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that was the whole thing, that the

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 2>four girls were really like judgmental and making fun of him,

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and then they were at the wedding and they really

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 2>saw how in love they were, and then they realized that,

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 2>like they need to open their hearts up more to

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the possibilities of the world and not pigeonhole people. Because

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 2>then Nathan Lamb then has a convo with Carrie of like,

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 2>I know, people think I'm getting you know what I mean,

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:28.959
<v Speaker 2>because the guy's pregnant. In the episode where Charlotte goes

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:29.839
<v Speaker 2>to doctor Mao.

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:31.879
<v Speaker 1>I remember that too.

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one of the greatest names of a character, bits

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 3>eevon Mufflet.

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's too good.

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 2>And so she's frazzled in this there's a scarf tied

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 2>around her neck like a pirate.

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:43.480
<v Speaker 1>The place is a mess.

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 2>She's holding a laundry basket, which meant she's.

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 1>On top of it. She is doing laundry.

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:50.800
<v Speaker 2>She goes, I hated being a lawyer, I hate thinking

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>about being a lawyer, and I got And then she

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 2>goes and I got disbarred in two thousand and nine.

0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>So she's done.

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.760
<v Speaker 2>But they show her the teacher's letter and she remembers

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:03.839
<v Speaker 2>the case, and then all of a sudden, on top

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 2>like this woman's clearly a mess, and on top of

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 2>this desk she has all these files from being a

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 2>lawyer years ago from disbarment, and the documents are right

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 2>on top in Manila, like envelopes ready to be rifled through.

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 1>But don't you assume that they call before they go

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 1>over sometimes? How do they know she's gonna be home?

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:24.040
<v Speaker 1>So I thought maybe she pulled the file.

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Somebody also had a really good question for us on Instagram.

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 2>They messaged They were like, how the fuck does Olivia's

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 2>building not have a buzzer in it? Like later she's

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 2>in a doorman building, but in earlier episodes people are

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>always just knocking on her apartment door. There's never a buzzer,

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:43.240
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I bet you Cassidy is catching a neighbor.

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 2>That's actually fully wrong because remember the one of the

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>early season episodes with the guy from the Weeds. Yeah

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 2>he but remember people were taunting her and buzzing. Yeah,

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 2>that's season like two three.

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 3>But there are a bunch of middle season episodes where

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 3>somebody just goes knock, knock, knock, and she's like Cassidy

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:04.399
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, you know, like she just opens the door.

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like an unexpected person. Well maybe they know the code, yeah,

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 1>or they caught the door from a name yeah or

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>something like that.

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.919
<v Speaker 2>Who knows, But I don't think it's yeah, if they're

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 2>really not consistent in that, and I wonder if they're

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 2>always moving or like, what's going on?

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, Interesting, we're sleuths, we're psychos, we're sloths. We're like

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Swifties for SVU, like it's the purple shirt.

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:26.640
<v Speaker 1>They're like, we did not mean that.

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 3>There's something about the name Tommy, No, there's there's actually

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 3>not nothing to coincidence.

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a popular name. I know.

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, our listeners are sending me screw screenshots seeing my

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:47.319
<v Speaker 2>name liking the certain tailor. Swift fan accounts, they're like,

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:48.600
<v Speaker 2>love to see you here.

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like I'm here. Hey, oh good good.

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 2>So this lawyer remembers getting the leather the leather the letter,

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 2>but never followed up with the ta and didn't want

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 2>to because she didn't really want to go that hard

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 2>on the little girl. It would mess up my whole

0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, her whole defense. And yeah, I guess you know,

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 2>whatever Rollin's increase, you're like, damn, like one bad lawyer

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that quit and wasn't passionate that did it for her,

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 2>like you know dad who forced her. Yeah, it's like

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 2>so much school to do something that you hate, like

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 2>and then to be a public defender. Well, no, she

0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 2>was worse because up top they were like, oh a

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 2>public defender and then I forgot who answers and are

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:35.399
<v Speaker 2>like no, much worse, like a low rate like poor

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:35.919
<v Speaker 2>ass lawyer.

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't even get transcribed, like.

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 2>He thought he was doing something better, probably for himself

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>or it's not a public defender, but it ended up

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 2>being like maybe a cheap lawyer is even worse.

0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's that's right. They did say that, like

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a b rate or something.

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So the lawyer meeting, it's lawyer meeting time.

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 2>The reverends there, Michelle's there, and it's like, fuck, what

0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 2>are we gonna do? But this has to be enough

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:01.720
<v Speaker 2>to file a four to forty motion hearing on grounds

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 2>of ineffective assistance of counsel. So best case is the

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:08.840
<v Speaker 2>conviction is vacated and then O'Dwyer drops the charges and

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the dad's like no, O'Dwyer hates my ass Baird's like yes.

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.760
<v Speaker 2>But the good news is the judge is a progressive dude,

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 2>outspoken on reforming the system, so this is going to

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 2>be good for us. And the track record of this

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>judge always goes with the defense. So Michelle is optimistic

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:26.240
<v Speaker 2>and the reverend but the daddy is still like, you know, suspicious.

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 2>So now we're on the court steps. O'Dwyer and Ellis

0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:33.399
<v Speaker 2>are meeting, and terrible news for Ellis. The good judge

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 2>suffered a mini stroke and now we have to do

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:39.280
<v Speaker 2>another judge. His name is Bertuccio, and that Ellis looks worried.

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson meets him and the client at corps and Will

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 2>is there, Michelle is there at the reverend.

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:45.880
<v Speaker 1>It's full house.

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 2>We meet the judge you know, it's Bertuccio, and the

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>lawyers approach the bench after a request from Ellis. He's like,

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 2>should we push the hearings since you were just to

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>sign this case, and the judge does not like this

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.840
<v Speaker 2>insinuation and goes, we're gonna con you. He goes, I

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know who's not prepared. I'm fucking prepared. So they

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.280
<v Speaker 2>go back and forth begging daddy judge to pick their side,

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and the motion unfortunately is denied and the guy the dad,

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>goes back to prison. Gavel gavel. Michelle is so upset.

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Please do something. She's slipping out,

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 2>like you got our hopes up for nothing. I should

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:20.320
<v Speaker 2>never have trusted you. She runs out of the courtroom.

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:24.399
<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, yeek Ben comes out at the bar enjoying, well,

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about enjoying, but she's drinking a glass

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.760
<v Speaker 2>of red wine. Ellis walks in and asks for whatever

0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 2>she's having. Benson's goes, no good deed and inquires how

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Michelle's doing, and Ellis is like, she's with the reverend

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't want her to spiral down, so he's

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:42.880
<v Speaker 2>making sure she's okay. They chat, but Benson gets a

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 2>ping on her phone and it might be the missing

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:48.120
<v Speaker 2>link the evidence they need. Omaro texted them McCormick is

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 2>back in town, so we're gonna.

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Go meet this cop.

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Now, we also get that the reason he's coming back

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.239
<v Speaker 2>is because Craigan kind of tricked him and told him

0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:00.760
<v Speaker 2>a nut job named Ellis wanted to re open the case,

0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:04.800
<v Speaker 2>so he's actually coming back to make sure it's closed.

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:08.600
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, wait, he's helping SVU to come make

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:11.719
<v Speaker 2>sure the case is buried. Why would he do that?

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.920
<v Speaker 2>So it's time to have some fun. So Capudo form

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Orange is the new Black who we love. I love

0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 2>great actor, great care. I mean, I'm obsessed with this dude.

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:23.840
<v Speaker 2>He's wearing a suit jacket but also a Hawaiian shirt underneath,

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 2>so we really love that energy, really portray his dirt bag.

0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 2>So he greets Craigan warmly and then meets Tomorrow, who

0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:32.359
<v Speaker 2>hands him a cup to drink from right away.

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:33.759
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, are you getting evidence or what?

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I Like, I did look into way too many things

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.080
<v Speaker 2>here that ended up not showing up, Like this cup

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 2>was actually just a drink.

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:44.000
<v Speaker 1>That Jesus quote was just the church.

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Nothing is actually important, but I key, yeah swifty for SVU.

0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's a shirt. I'm sure we'd get sued for

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that too. Okay.

0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, so the greeting is warm. Amoro sits on the

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.840
<v Speaker 2>table to communicate a real life friendly vibe and asks

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 2>what he can tell them about this piece of crap

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Derek Thompson. He goes, oh, he's the lowest of the

0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 2>low did his own daughter. And then he calls the

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 2>reverend a charlatan, which I thought meant slut, but it

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 2>actually means a con man, a fraud. So I look

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:16.839
<v Speaker 2>that up.

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, like, I think charlatan's are like also, like

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 3>most like Joseph Smith and the people who like start

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Trump is a charlatan, you know, people that are just

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:26.279
<v Speaker 3>like full of it.

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 1>And they're like yeah.

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 2>And then he got Ellis, and fucking Ellis has all

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:32.399
<v Speaker 2>these friends in city Hall and this is where we're at,

0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, oh man, that's same old trashy city.

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:37.279
<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Tell me what's up.

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Cragan's like, well, the girl's claiming her mom made her lie.

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Audrey. He asks, Oh, no, she would never do that.

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 2>She was just trying to protect those kids from that

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.879
<v Speaker 2>pedophile and he goes, she's all broken up about this

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, excuse me, andmar I was like, hold up,

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:52.319
<v Speaker 2>hold up, hold up.

0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:53.840
<v Speaker 1>You talked to Audrey Thompson.

0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 2>He says, yes, She calls me like right after you

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:00.319
<v Speaker 2>guys all started poking around, and after what she went through,

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.920
<v Speaker 2>she looks to him for guidance and support. And he says,

0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, actually, he says, not only do they keep

0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.840
<v Speaker 2>in touch after the case, but he knew her before.

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 1>He says, he broke up.

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Domestic disputes there all the time, and this guy had history.

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:15.200
<v Speaker 2>And Tomorrow brings up the letter. The dude denies it,

0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, dude is trying to convince him that

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:19.400
<v Speaker 2>he didn't do it, but he did it. He is

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:21.840
<v Speaker 2>sick and he's controlling and he's nuts. And that's the

0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:24.440
<v Speaker 2>end of the meeting. Craigan says, I lean in him

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 2>or catching a matinee. So he spins around while walking

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 2>like capudo out and still pray playing the friendly game.

0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 2>But during the spin he locks eyes with Amorrow and

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:34.760
<v Speaker 2>they communicate nonverbally.

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:37.480
<v Speaker 1>During the spin.

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now we have a Careesi thinking out loud,

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:45.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to understand, Like the fucking detective keeps in touch

0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:49.279
<v Speaker 2>with the accuser. So the three domestic disputes happened, and

0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 2>the last one was a week before the accusation. So

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 2>what do we know about this guy? You know, he's

0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:55.799
<v Speaker 2>divorced from his wife two years after all this this

0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the case happened, and then she died a year ago,

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:01.319
<v Speaker 2>very sad. So Amanda finds the divorce petition on her

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 2>computer and the grounds are for adult tree and they

0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 2>all like run to the computer. They stand above Rollins

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:10.400
<v Speaker 2>and holy shit, Audrey's name is in the documents as

0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 2>a correspondent. So Capudo is fucking the wife of a

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:18.240
<v Speaker 2>guy he just arrested. Cariese wants to party with this info.

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Ellis is, of course being a cock block and like, sure, yeah,

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I get this, but we have to prove the relationship

0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 2>started before the trial. Cariese calls Audrey hot box Audrey,

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:29.880
<v Speaker 2>which I.

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Like, what do we do? Okay?

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 2>So Rollin suggests Michelle and Will but they were super young,

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, you'd be surprised what kids can do.

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:43.280
<v Speaker 2>So Michelle's also very fragile, like we have to be careful.

0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Who's going to be able to communicate with her, like,

0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:47.840
<v Speaker 2>who's going to talk to them? So obviously it's Benson.

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:49.960
<v Speaker 2>So Benson is with Michelle and Will and of course

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:53.280
<v Speaker 2>the reverend's back there sitting paying attention. And they remember

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:55.719
<v Speaker 2>McCormick and he came over a bunch after the dad

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:58.719
<v Speaker 2>was locked up, and Michelle remembers the first time meeting him.

0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:01.359
<v Speaker 2>It was before Christmas. Mom and dad were fighting and

0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 2>mom knocked over the Christmas tree and he knocked her over,

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and she called the cops and McCormick came by, and

0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:11.080
<v Speaker 2>she remembers her mom crying and McCormick hugging her, and

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Benson asks if there was any other physical contact, and

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:17.440
<v Speaker 2>they're becoming suspicious with this line of questioning, and the

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.919
<v Speaker 2>reverend cuts in and is like, well, some evidence shows

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>your mom and the cop were hooking up. And Michelle

0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:26.839
<v Speaker 2>is shocked. Oh my god, she exclaims. Benson says, well,

0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:29.480
<v Speaker 2>we're not sure, but you have any evidence that, and

0:53:29.560 --> 0:53:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Michelle's like, fuck yes. That the mom went away for

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:35.440
<v Speaker 2>a weekend after the dad was already in jail. The

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:38.239
<v Speaker 2>kids stayed with the grandparents. She came back with a

0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:40.759
<v Speaker 2>snow globe with a pink flamingo in it. So while

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 2>their dad was in jail before or after the trial,

0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:47.239
<v Speaker 2>she can't really recall exactly that, but you know that

0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 2>she was fucking in fucking Florida. And we know where

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 2>this guy is now Florida. I guess flamingos can be anywhere,

0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 2>but the airport in Tampa. There's a flamingo. So we're

0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.799
<v Speaker 2>at the whiteboard. It's brainstorm time. All hands on deck.

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.319
<v Speaker 2>They knew each other six months before the trial. They

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:04.239
<v Speaker 2>have evidence to prove that they were in Key West

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 2>together one weekend, which is a dream destination for Kiera

0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:09.720
<v Speaker 2>and I. We really want to perform at Key West

0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:13.080
<v Speaker 2>if any of you can make us that happen. Audrey

0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:16.600
<v Speaker 2>got a disorderly and talks that weekend, so that's proof.

0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.080
<v Speaker 2>And then finally Criesy's like, come on, this must be

0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:22.399
<v Speaker 2>enough evidence. Come on, Ellis, it must be. Ellis takes

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 2>a drink of coffee and now we're back in court.

0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 2>And so now O'Dwyer and Ellis are sparring, and it's

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 2>a different judge, So that's good. O'Dwyer's yelling, so he

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 2>must know he's losing, and the judge grants a petition

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 2>to appeal and fuck, yeah, there's going to be a retrial,

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.920
<v Speaker 2>but it's SVU. I wouldn't celebrate too soon, and the

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.359
<v Speaker 2>dad is also annoyed. He goes, why a retrial, Why

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 2>not just drop the charges right now. Ellis is like, listen,

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:47.920
<v Speaker 2>bro one step at a time. O'Dwyer walks over with

0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:50.440
<v Speaker 2>a deal and he's like, Okay, if your dude doesn't

0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:53.200
<v Speaker 2>want a retrial, here's the deal. Criminal Sexual Act in

0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the first degree and time serves. He goes, so basically,

0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:58.800
<v Speaker 2>if he says he's guilty, he gets to leave jail.

0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.440
<v Speaker 2>And the dad's like, fuck that, I would be a felon,

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and Benson shimes in and on the registry and Ellis

0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 2>is like, and you have to admit it in open

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.879
<v Speaker 2>court that you did it, and fucking that's a bad deal,

0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:11.480
<v Speaker 2>but kay, or you know, it is what it is.

0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 2>But it would save his daughter the need to testify,

0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 2>so saving her a little drama. And he's dumbfounded, like

0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe he's taking this to trial again, and

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, he really thinks you're guilty, and Alice is like, well,

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:26.480
<v Speaker 2>that's also easier than accepting that maybe he did put

0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:29.200
<v Speaker 2>an innocent man in prison, and the dad is like, no,

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:31.799
<v Speaker 2>all this time that I've had, the only thing I

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:34.879
<v Speaker 2>have is that I didn't do it. That's all I have,

0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and he cannot ask me to say that I did it.

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:40.080
<v Speaker 2>And the Reverend's like, but he's going to keep you

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:42.279
<v Speaker 2>in jail forever, and the bailiff comes and cuffs him

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 2>and goes, the truth will set me free, not a lie.

0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Michelle is stressed. So now we're back of the court steps.

0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 2>O'Dwyer's like, your dude seems ready for court, and Ellie

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:54.359
<v Speaker 2>snaps back like, yeah, he's had seventeen years to think

0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 2>about it. The lawyer is like, I gave him a

0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 2>path out and Benson's like, yeah, but that should tell

0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 2>you something. You would rather sit in jail than lie

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and say he did it? And Dwyer's like, no, it

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 2>just shows me that he's a narcissist. If he really

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:08.759
<v Speaker 2>cared about his daughter, he wouldn't put her through this.

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:11.680
<v Speaker 2>He is all about ego and his name, and Alice

0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:14.720
<v Speaker 2>is pissed, like, funny, you should talk about ego. Alice

0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 2>is like, nobody likes to admit a mistake, but there

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 2>has been a miscarriage of justice, and we have the

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.839
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to make it right. He goes, we you mean

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 2>a jury. It's up to the jurum. So he says

0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:28.439
<v Speaker 2>good luck and skips off. So now it's court time.

0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:30.600
<v Speaker 2>The mom is on the stand and she's like, Michelle

0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 2>told her that the daddy hurt me with his peepee

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and the dad sighs and anger in his seat. The

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 2>mom admits to knowing capudo pre trial. She says that

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:41.560
<v Speaker 2>her and Derek went through was nothing like what he

0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:43.919
<v Speaker 2>put the daughter through that night. And now the dad

0:56:43.960 --> 0:56:46.880
<v Speaker 2>makes a thinking face and I think this is another

0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:49.319
<v Speaker 2>time where I read it into someone's facial expression that.

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:49.919
<v Speaker 1>Was not there.

0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anything happens with this face. Alice is

0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 2>like thinking something above our heads. I feel as well.

0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so I just need to relax. So

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:01.640
<v Speaker 2>she plays is the you know, I only care about

0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 2>my child's safety. So now it's Ellis's turn, and he

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:07.040
<v Speaker 2>stomps on up. He comes swinging you were involved with

0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 2>him and you guys spent the weekend in Florida? When

0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:11.719
<v Speaker 2>was that before your ex husband's trial? And she's like,

0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:14.400
<v Speaker 2>who cares? He goes, right, if it's who cares? Then

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:16.800
<v Speaker 2>why not disclose that information to the DA or the

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:19.440
<v Speaker 2>defense council? And she's like, well, he was married, it

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 2>was wrong. We didn't want the wife to find out.

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.720
<v Speaker 2>And her bangs are amazing. Also, Ellis doesn't buy it

0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:26.919
<v Speaker 2>and is standing near the jury giving them a little

0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.680
<v Speaker 2>razzle dazzle. He says, or you knew that would make

0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 2>you look bad in front of the jury and no

0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:34.800
<v Speaker 2>one would believe you. Objection with drawn. And then it's

0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.440
<v Speaker 2>what time did you come home? He asks? She was

0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:40.320
<v Speaker 2>not sure. He asked if she was drinking yes, fought

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:43.160
<v Speaker 2>with the husband, yes. And right after that is when

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.440
<v Speaker 2>your daughter chose to disclose you know what I mean.

0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.160
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make sense, like all of this is happening,

0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 2>and this is when she's going to reveal the secrets

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 2>of molestation and she screams yeah, and he's like, okay,

0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:54.440
<v Speaker 2>then why didn't you get medical attention for her or

0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:56.800
<v Speaker 2>call the police that night? She said she wanted to

0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 2>wait until he was out of the house. But the

0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.600
<v Speaker 2>next morning is when actually McCormick was on duty, and

0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:03.480
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you wanted to wait and call when he

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.840
<v Speaker 2>was working and she's like absolutely, not, I was waiting

0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:08.880
<v Speaker 2>for him to get out of the house. And Ellis

0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.600
<v Speaker 2>then asks if it was McCormick's idea to get him

0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 2>out of the house, and she goes no, but her

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:16.360
<v Speaker 2>voice is shaky, and so he's like, okay, so you

0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:19.200
<v Speaker 2>came up with that idea all on your own objection

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:22.360
<v Speaker 2>withdrawn she looks beautiful. I have to keep saying that,

0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 2>but she is a bad person. So now the dad's

0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:27.280
<v Speaker 2>on the stand and he's like, I wasn't the best dad.

0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have a lot of money, I worked long hours,

0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:31.000
<v Speaker 2>but I tried my best. And my wife was never

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:34.000
<v Speaker 2>interested in that because she loved drugs and alcohol. And

0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:36.520
<v Speaker 2>it cuts to Benson increasy, looking stern in the pews.

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:39.480
<v Speaker 2>They bring up how he kept in touch with them

0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:42.040
<v Speaker 2>from prison because he knew they needed parenting, even if

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:45.560
<v Speaker 2>it was just through letters. Ellis goes, okay, so that night,

0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.560
<v Speaker 2>did you assault your daughter? He says absolutely not. He

0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:51.280
<v Speaker 2>walks off. So now it's dwy Or time. So basically

0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:54.000
<v Speaker 2>back in the day when they said what about the semen,

0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>he said, oh, she planted it instead of saying there

0:58:57.400 --> 0:59:00.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't any semen, but there actually wasn't semen. So he's like,

0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I was just trying to make sense of it, and

0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.280
<v Speaker 2>you guys are trying to trick me, and they're like, no,

0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 2>you actually knew there was semen because it's yours. So

0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 2>that's their little fight. Now, Dwyer gets up and says,

0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 2>the only reason we are here is because your daughter

0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:16.680
<v Speaker 2>is now recanting her original statement and you wrote her letters.

0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Did you ask her in those letters to help you

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.640
<v Speaker 2>get out of prison? Do you think that is why

0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:23.960
<v Speaker 2>she is recanting today? Did you manipulate her into it?

0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.160
<v Speaker 2>He says, I only asked her to tell the truth.

0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:29.880
<v Speaker 2>He says she did to the court and he yells no,

0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:32.480
<v Speaker 2>he said what her mother told her to say. And

0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Dwyer says, and now she's saying what you are telling

0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:38.840
<v Speaker 2>her to say. That's a good one. Yeah, but there

0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:42.760
<v Speaker 2>is an objection and it is sustained. Wow, Okay, so

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:45.840
<v Speaker 2>he got him. Benson closes her eyes and Couresy drops

0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:48.480
<v Speaker 2>his head. So now Michelle is on the stand. She says,

0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:50.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, mom told me to say it, and I

0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:52.120
<v Speaker 2>said it because I was six and I was scared

0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 2>of my mother, and I regretted it every day of

0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:54.240
<v Speaker 2>my life.

0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:55.920
<v Speaker 1>But now it's Dwyer times.

0:59:55.920 --> 0:59:58.120
<v Speaker 2>So then you know this is a really good lawyer matchup,

0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:01.520
<v Speaker 2>like this is the this is top tier lawyer a

1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:03.960
<v Speaker 2>lawyer episode. I feel like they're both really killing him

1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:07.480
<v Speaker 2>and really good, like written lines. So Dwyer goes, well,

1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:09.440
<v Speaker 2>now you're saying no, but back then you said yes.

1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:12.160
<v Speaker 2>And so then he makes her read old testimony from

1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>when she was six and it is graphic, and then

1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:17.120
<v Speaker 2>he's like, okay, so you remember that and she says yes,

1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:19.520
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, okay, so now do you remember you

1:00:19.560 --> 1:00:22.840
<v Speaker 2>told SV recently about your burned hand? And she goes yeah,

1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, okay, so why doesn't the medical report

1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the next day not mention at all? And she's like,

1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:30.360
<v Speaker 2>because we were there for the rape, I didn't say

1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:33.280
<v Speaker 2>anything about my burnt hand. But she's getting nervous up there,

1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:35.720
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, is it possible you never burned your

1:00:35.720 --> 1:00:39.000
<v Speaker 2>hand and actually your dad has convinced you that that happened.

1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, she says, I don't think so, but he says,

1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:45.200
<v Speaker 2>but it's possible your mom convinced you that you were

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:48.240
<v Speaker 2>raped even though you said that never happened, and her

1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:51.400
<v Speaker 2>brain is combusting. He says, or maybe it's easier to

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<v Speaker 2>believe your father didn't rape you. Objection sustained. He asked,

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<v Speaker 2>did your father hurt you that night? And she says

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<v Speaker 2>I know he didn't, and he goes, did you know

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<v Speaker 2>or do you just remember he didn't? She says, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember him doing anything. With conviction, she says this

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<v Speaker 2>and Dwyer's so fucking good. He goes, that is not

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<v Speaker 2>the same as you remember that he didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, is this a story that you were told

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<v Speaker 2>to remember? And he pushes again and says you are

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<v Speaker 2>under oath? Did your father rape you? She's silent. He

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<v Speaker 2>asks again. She cries and says I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>was six. She turns to him and says, daddy, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so sorry. He walks away. Ellis asks to redirect. The

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<v Speaker 2>judge allows it. She sat on the stand. He walks

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<v Speaker 2>over slowly and in a soft voice, says, I know

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<v Speaker 2>how much it took for you to be here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Dwyer bully you just now? And she says yes.

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<v Speaker 2>He asked did that confuse you? And did you give

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<v Speaker 2>him the answer he wanted to hear so he would stop,

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<v Speaker 2>And she says yes, and he goes similar like when

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<v Speaker 2>your mom when you were six, and she goes absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>He then asks again, did your father do that to you?

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<v Speaker 2>She says no, and then he asks, in fact, you

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<v Speaker 2>tried to tell the truth to your teacher and a

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<v Speaker 2>detective and she goes yes, and they wouldn't listen, and

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<v Speaker 2>Alice says, I'm listening to you, Michelle, I'm listening and

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<v Speaker 2>asks did your father rape you that night? She says no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't. She stares into Ellis then looks down and

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<v Speaker 2>you can see she's questioning everything because I think of

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<v Speaker 2>what Dwyer said for like who the dad smiles and

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<v Speaker 2>presses his lips into his mouth and Benson tilts her head.

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle is smoking a cigarette outside. Benson asks if she's

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<v Speaker 2>all right, but she just is like, oh fuck, am

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<v Speaker 2>I doing all this for my father or for me?

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like, you don't get it, Like what's it

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<v Speaker 2>like for people to think that my father did this

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<v Speaker 2>to me? I used to say he was dead because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want I want this part of my life

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<v Speaker 2>to be over, and Benson goes, it is you made

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<v Speaker 2>sure the truth was heard?

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<v Speaker 1>This time?

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<v Speaker 2>She goes the truth the truth is, I don't really remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson stares off, like oh fuck, as she runs off,

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<v Speaker 2>throwing her cigarette to the ground. So the jury, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's jury verdict time, and the jury finds the defendant

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<v Speaker 2>not guilty. He exclaims yes, and Bend's over and joy.

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<v Speaker 2>He hugs Ellis and hugs Will and Benson looks over

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<v Speaker 2>and Michelle is just sitting there, not happy at all,

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<v Speaker 2>and just hugs him somberly. Ellis walks over to Benson

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<v Speaker 2>and says, we did the right thing, but the way

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle is looking at Benson makes her ask did we

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle looks upset and it ends.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really weird episode and ending like you're just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like, wa but all the evidence is that,

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<v Speaker 3>like you were framed by your wife having an affair

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<v Speaker 3>with this cop, and like you know, she planted this

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<v Speaker 3>seed to your daughter and then Samir Wiley's care.

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<v Speaker 1>It just feels like the the O'Dwyer the letters.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like because if he started writing letters every single

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<v Speaker 2>week from when she was six, like who knows, yeah, capudo,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of them are shady obviously, Yeah, yeah, mom sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is all very upsetting and I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>know what Will damage is, Like why is Will have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to say the brother?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's also kind of like did this incident exist

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<v Speaker 3>in a vacuum, Like did he ever do anything else?

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<v Speaker 3>Did he ever like touch you in a weird way?

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<v Speaker 3>Like like you know what I mean? So it I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. I feel like he just fucked with her.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just everyone has just fucked with her head so

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<v Speaker 3>much that who knows what the truth is? And I

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<v Speaker 3>guess that's the point of the episode. But don't go

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<v Speaker 3>anywhere because the true crime is really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is very close to what happens in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen ninety seven, eight year old Shaneia Kelly was

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<v Speaker 3>staying home from school with her dad, Darryl Kelly, which

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<v Speaker 3>sounds very close to Derek, but it's Daryl who worked

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<v Speaker 3>from home as an elect like he worked at a store,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was mixing electronics at home. So she's like

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<v Speaker 3>hanging out with her dad. She eventually goes to her

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<v Speaker 3>room to lie down, and at some point her mom,

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<v Speaker 3>who did suffer with drug and alcohol addiction, suddenly bursts

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<v Speaker 3>in with a belt, demanding to know what her dad

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<v Speaker 3>did to her.

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<v Speaker 1>She later wrote, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess mommy was drunk or something end quote, and she

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<v Speaker 3>told her dad didn't do anything to her, but her

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<v Speaker 3>mom kept asking and threatening her with the belt. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's like the episode, but there was a physical violence

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<v Speaker 3>component to it where she had a belt, and so

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<v Speaker 3>Shania said, I didn't want to get beats, so I

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<v Speaker 3>made up a lie that I'd take back any day.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Shania's mother's name is Charade, and I don't know why

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<v Speaker 3>SVU didn't use that. It's too good. So a week

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<v Speaker 3>after this happens, Charade takes Shania on a little walk

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<v Speaker 3>and asks her again about this abuse, and she says

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<v Speaker 3>that Shania confirmed it. That said she could have been

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<v Speaker 3>remembering the belts and was just telling her mother what

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<v Speaker 3>she wanted to hear. She's also eight, you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>make her six in this episode, like gets a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit older, Like I remember a lot more from when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm eight than I do from when I'm six, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>After that Charade and her mother, Shania's grandmother took her

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<v Speaker 3>to a clinic to get checked out, where she told

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<v Speaker 3>medical personnel she'd been assaulted, and they reported the allegations

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<v Speaker 3>to the police and to CPS. A few days later,

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<v Speaker 3>police bring Darryl Kelly in for questioning. When they told

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<v Speaker 3>him his daughter was accusing him of sexual assault, he

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<v Speaker 3>was incredulous. He said, quote, come on, stop playing, You've

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<v Speaker 3>got to be joking.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote.

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<v Speaker 3>So the detective was Thomas Mansonelli, who grilled Daryl for

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<v Speaker 3>a while and told him a ton of lies to

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<v Speaker 3>get a confession, like there were like his fingerprints were

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<v Speaker 3>found on her thigh, and but that his semen was

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<v Speaker 3>found on her so much like in the episode they

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<v Speaker 3>said there was semen. He then said, oh, maybe my

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<v Speaker 3>wife planted it, Like he could not figure out how

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<v Speaker 3>they had this evidence, you know, and he totally denied

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<v Speaker 3>any of it happening. And he also had no idea

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<v Speaker 3>that he should ask for a lawyer because he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>And also SVU hadn't come out on television yet.

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<v Speaker 3>So at this point, this guy's thirty eight and he

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<v Speaker 3>has no record, he has no felony record at all,

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<v Speaker 3>but they charge him with rape, sodomy, and sexual abuse.

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<v Speaker 3>He was offered a six to twelve year plea deal

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<v Speaker 3>to plead guilty, and he said, no way, I'm innocent.

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<v Speaker 3>And Shanayah testified against her dad, and he couldn't believe

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<v Speaker 3>it when she came to because he was never allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to see her from the time that he got arrested

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<v Speaker 3>to court, and he couldn't believe that she was testifying.

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<v Speaker 3>And then apparently Sharade had already told the prosecutor by

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<v Speaker 3>the time trial rolled around that she didn't think Daryl

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<v Speaker 3>had done anything, like even the mom was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think he did anything. And the prosecutor fought to

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<v Speaker 3>keep that little tidbit away from the jury, saying that

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<v Speaker 3>it was irrelevant, and the judge agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>So the judge agreed that whatever the mom's.

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<v Speaker 3>Opinion of this is doesn't matter, and it's all on

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<v Speaker 3>this eight year old girl's testimony. So in court, Sharade

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<v Speaker 3>repeated the allegations but never got to say that she

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<v Speaker 3>no longer believed they were true, that she was not

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to say that. So in this case, there are

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<v Speaker 3>no witnesses, There is no DNA. The medical exam found

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<v Speaker 3>Shanaia's hymen was still intact and no definitive proof of

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<v Speaker 3>sexual assault or abuse had happened. There was just some

1:08:11.560 --> 1:08:14.040
<v Speaker 3>skinny irritation which they said could have come from a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of other causes, But Darryl Kelly was very eager

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<v Speaker 3>to take the stand in his own defense. And while

1:08:20.240 --> 1:08:22.760
<v Speaker 3>he was up there, he told the jury about his

1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:26.400
<v Speaker 3>military experience, and he happened to mention the Vietnam Era,

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<v Speaker 3>which he is too young to have served in, and

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<v Speaker 3>people took this as him lying about being in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I guess also on the stand he implied

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<v Speaker 3>that he had a purple heart, but he doesn't. And

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<v Speaker 3>so this I think factors into him getting convicted. Because

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<v Speaker 3>the trial lasted a week, it took the jury six

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<v Speaker 3>hours to convict, and he gets sentenced to twenty to

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<v Speaker 3>forty years. The judge specifically reprimandsed him during the sentencing

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<v Speaker 3>about lying about his military service. And I'm also sure

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<v Speaker 3>that there's a racial element here at play as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Darryl is a black man, Like there's just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and the fact that this little black girl is also

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<v Speaker 3>trying to correct her story and recant and they're not

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<v Speaker 3>believing her either. I just feel like there's a racial

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<v Speaker 3>element to all of this. So since their mother was

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<v Speaker 3>struggling with addiction, Shania and her four siblings were sent

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<v Speaker 3>to live with the grandmother with their maternal grandmother, and

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<v Speaker 3>then when her grandmother asked her about it about a

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<v Speaker 3>year after the trial, Shania told her that there had

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<v Speaker 3>been no sexual assault of any kind.

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<v Speaker 1>She told the grandmother that.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when she was questioned by her father's a

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<v Speaker 3>peal lawyer and asked how she came up with this

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<v Speaker 3>whole story that she told on the stand, she said,

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<v Speaker 3>she just made it up, like, you know, because they

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<v Speaker 3>would ask.

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<v Speaker 1>Her like, were you on your back? Where were you?

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<v Speaker 1>And she'd say, yeah, I was on my back.

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<v Speaker 3>Like basically, she just kind of improvised and went with

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<v Speaker 3>the story on the stand. But it was they felt

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a graphic and detailed story for a eight

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<v Speaker 3>or nine year old to come up with. But another

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<v Speaker 3>piece of information that was left out, which was apparently

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<v Speaker 3>not in the taped interview, but was something that she

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<v Speaker 3>did reveal at some point, was that charade the mother

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<v Speaker 3>used to have very explicit adult conversations with Shanaia about

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<v Speaker 3>sex and that she had seen her parents' porn videos.

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<v Speaker 3>So it wasn't that crazy for an eight year old

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<v Speaker 3>who has been had these conversations with their mother and

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<v Speaker 3>knew a lot about sex to be able to provide

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<v Speaker 3>some of these details. So regardless, Daryl is thrilled that

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<v Speaker 3>Shanaia has recounted and thinks he's on his way out

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<v Speaker 3>of jail. And in ninety nine, Shanaia testifies that I

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<v Speaker 3>think I've been saying Shanaia, but it's Shanea. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>In ninety nine, Shanea testifies that she's lied in her

1:10:31.280 --> 1:10:34.559
<v Speaker 3>original testimony. The grandmother testified as well, and she also

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<v Speaker 3>said that she heard a police officer promised Shaneia a

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<v Speaker 3>bicycle if she told the truth, So that's not great.

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<v Speaker 3>But the judge said that Shanea's new testimony was not credible.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, quote to believe that it was all made up,

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<v Speaker 3>rehearsed as a result of a threat of a beating

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<v Speaker 3>by her mother is just not plausible.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of think it's plausible. But he thought.

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<v Speaker 3>Sharade had pressured Shanea to recant so that Daryl could

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<v Speaker 3>come home. So he's just stuck in jail now. He's

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<v Speaker 3>initially not allowed to talk to his five kids at all,

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<v Speaker 3>but he filed a motion in family court in two

1:11:04.240 --> 1:11:06.280
<v Speaker 3>thousand and one and they did grant him permission to

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<v Speaker 3>write and call his kids, so he wrote his kids often.

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<v Speaker 3>They all responded to him a lot like. They all

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<v Speaker 3>were like, we miss you, dad, Why are you getting out?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you sure you're gonna be out for my sixteenth birthday?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we gonna go to Disney when you get out?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>They really wrote to him a lot like it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it doesn't sound like they were angry at him,

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<v Speaker 3>or you know that he had been abusive to the

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<v Speaker 3>siblings at all. In two thousand and two, Shaneia wrote

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<v Speaker 3>a letter to her dad in jail, and it said,

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<v Speaker 3>Dear Daddy, I do feel bad about telling a lie.

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<v Speaker 3>All I want to do is put it all behind.

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<v Speaker 3>You want the truth, I'll tell you the truth the

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<v Speaker 3>whole part I read earlier. Her quotes were from this

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<v Speaker 3>letter where she said Mommy came in drunk and she

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<v Speaker 3>had a belt, and this and that and that. That's

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<v Speaker 3>how she lied. She wrote, quote, I regret everything I said.

1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:53.719
<v Speaker 3>I feel guilty when I talk about it. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>that I should be in prison instead of you. I

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<v Speaker 3>love you, Daddy, and the love I have for you

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<v Speaker 3>can never be changed. Every time that I talk about it,

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<v Speaker 3>I think thank you and God both hate me. End

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<v Speaker 3>of quote, and her mom backs up her story. The

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<v Speaker 3>mom says, quote, her statement that I threatened her with

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<v Speaker 3>a belt after she came upstairs while apparently I was

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<v Speaker 3>in a drug induced state, is in fact accurate. The

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<v Speaker 3>mother Charade told The New Yorker she hoped Kelly would

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<v Speaker 3>get parole, and she says, quote, I'm just sorry about

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<v Speaker 3>how things went down end quote. So the Mom's like, yeah,

1:12:21.760 --> 1:12:24.360
<v Speaker 3>I threatened her with a belt. It's true. So it

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<v Speaker 3>feels like there's really no there there. In two thousand

1:12:27.600 --> 1:12:30.639
<v Speaker 3>and three, Charade was clean. She got her kids back,

1:12:30.720 --> 1:12:32.439
<v Speaker 3>and then she took them to visit Daryl in prison

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<v Speaker 3>at green Haven, just like in the episode that's where

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<v Speaker 3>he's imprisoned, and Shanea was so nervous to see him

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time since the trial. It's been four

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<v Speaker 3>years at this point, and as soon as she sees him,

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<v Speaker 3>she starts to cry, and he runs across the room

1:12:46.000 --> 1:12:47.800
<v Speaker 3>and picks her up and hugs her and tells her

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<v Speaker 3>he loves her and he doesn't blame her. He said

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<v Speaker 3>to her, quote everything that happened to me is not

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<v Speaker 3>your fault. And she told New York Magazine in that moment, quote,

1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:59.040
<v Speaker 3>it was like I could breathe. So for the next

1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:01.840
<v Speaker 3>ten years he's kind of just toiling away in jail.

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<v Speaker 3>He's contacting all these Innocence Project type groups to no avail.

1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:06.840
<v Speaker 3>He's trying to find a bay ort Ellis to get

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<v Speaker 3>in his corner. And the thing was is that he

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<v Speaker 3>was really serving time for a crime that it seems

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<v Speaker 3>never occurred. And so when he asked his wife why

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<v Speaker 3>she coerced Shanaia into the story, she said, quote, I

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<v Speaker 3>was on a binge.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I did it. End quote.

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<v Speaker 3>So in twenty twelve, a lawyer named Peter Cross starts

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<v Speaker 3>representing Darryl pro bono, but he was unsuccessful in getting

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<v Speaker 3>him anywhere in getting retried or appeals or anything. Shania

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<v Speaker 3>in this period kind of loses touch with her dad

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<v Speaker 3>for long periods of time, like she goes to college,

1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:38.439
<v Speaker 3>she's kind of doing her own thing, but then she

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<v Speaker 3>has a particular phone call with him when he happens

1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:44.559
<v Speaker 3>to call the house and she's home for the weekend

1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:47.200
<v Speaker 3>from college. And then she started to get more and

1:13:47.280 --> 1:13:49.960
<v Speaker 3>more adamant in her quest to free her dad from

1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:52.160
<v Speaker 3>that moment on, and as she got older, So in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twelve, she's twenty three, she wrote a letter to

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<v Speaker 3>Governor Andrew Cuomo, which kind of kicked off a reinvestigation,

1:13:59.280 --> 1:14:03.519
<v Speaker 3>but ultimately they didn't believe her recantation. Like a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of prosecutors like revisited the case and were like, we

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<v Speaker 3>just don't believe that this recant. So she started a

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<v Speaker 3>change dot org petition in twenty fourteen. I did look

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<v Speaker 3>it up and it has one hundred and seventy five

1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:16.840
<v Speaker 3>thousand signatures, but it has been closed. And Shaneia has

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<v Speaker 3>also said, quote, I've grown to just be like, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, it was my fault, but I was young

1:14:22.240 --> 1:14:24.040
<v Speaker 3>at the time, so I have to forgive myself.

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<v Speaker 1>So end quote.

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<v Speaker 3>Shaneia now is around thirty four, She has a husband

1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:30.519
<v Speaker 3>and two sons. She has a career. She lives in

1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:35.080
<v Speaker 3>the Midwest. So this is crazy. Like as of twenty seventeen,

1:14:36.040 --> 1:14:38.799
<v Speaker 3>he was fifty eight. He was at Collins Correctional Facility

1:14:38.800 --> 1:14:40.920
<v Speaker 3>in Erie County, had been moved. That's about thirty miles

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<v Speaker 3>from Buffalo, And in twenty eighteen he was up for

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<v Speaker 3>parole for the first time. So gosh, twenty eighteen, that's

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<v Speaker 3>about he's already served twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, nineteen or twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Shaneia sends the parole board a letter before his twenty

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen parole hearing that's read quote, I am the alleged victim,

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<v Speaker 3>the alleged victim, and quotes in the case, and I

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<v Speaker 3>feel it necessary to let everyone know my father did

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<v Speaker 3>not do the acts he is charged with. I was

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<v Speaker 3>never molested, raped, and or sodomized end of statement. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's really wild. A ton of people were writing about

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<v Speaker 3>this case in the twenty tens. The New Yorker did

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<v Speaker 3>an article, the big article the New York Magazine. They're

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<v Speaker 3>all in my sources. Both of those pieces New Yorker

1:15:23.200 --> 1:15:25.880
<v Speaker 3>and New York mag were written by Jennifer Gonnerman, who

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<v Speaker 3>still works for The New Yorker and wrote a big

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<v Speaker 3>piece about Khalif Browder that was a Pulitzer Prize finalist.

1:15:32.400 --> 1:15:34.759
<v Speaker 3>She covers a lot of story about wrongly accused people.

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<v Speaker 3>NBC News interviewed Shaneia. There was just a lot of

1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:41.000
<v Speaker 3>coverage going on about like is this man in jail

1:15:41.040 --> 1:15:44.320
<v Speaker 3>for a crime that never actually happened, And when I

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<v Speaker 3>google it now, there is absolutely nothing written about it

1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:51.880
<v Speaker 3>since twenty seventeen, which is six years but I looked

1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:55.040
<v Speaker 3>it up and Darryl was granted parole. Darryl Kelly was

1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:57.240
<v Speaker 3>granted parole. I looked him up in the inmate look

1:15:57.320 --> 1:15:59.679
<v Speaker 3>up finder that you and I love to use so much.

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<v Speaker 3>He was granted parole on November twentieth of twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>His parole status says discharged with an effective date of twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seven, twenty two. So I wonder if that means

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<v Speaker 3>that the parole lasted for three years and now is over.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>People can let me know. I don't really know what

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<v Speaker 3>a discharge effective date is. He's currently sixty four, but

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<v Speaker 3>there is like nothing online about how Shaney is doing,

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<v Speaker 3>how he's doing, whether they've re connected or anything, or

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<v Speaker 3>whether they've sued the state.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know if he could sue the stake

1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:33.479
<v Speaker 2>because the appeals didn't go through it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true, he's just on but like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>it just feels like he served twenty years in prison

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<v Speaker 3>for something that didn't happen, like and kind of everybody

1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:44.000
<v Speaker 3>involved says nothing happened.

1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, the fact that the mom admitted to just making

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<v Speaker 2>it up and she doesn't know why, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The physical threat.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I understand the show changes it because they want

1:16:53.040 --> 1:16:56.000
<v Speaker 3>to make it more like you know, TV cinematic, et cetera.

1:16:56.720 --> 1:16:59.320
<v Speaker 3>They had to make it kind of like ambiguous at

1:16:59.320 --> 1:17:01.360
<v Speaker 3>the end of whether happened or not. But it feels

1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:04.320
<v Speaker 3>to me like in the real thing, it doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 3>like a crime occurred.

1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Agreed. And I just think that both the attorneys were

1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:13.800
<v Speaker 2>so good and I think, yeah, that added to their

1:17:13.800 --> 1:17:14.800
<v Speaker 2>little wrastle Dad.

1:17:14.840 --> 1:17:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to call it.

1:17:15.680 --> 1:17:18.839
<v Speaker 2>They're like their job as lawyers is what put doubts

1:17:19.040 --> 1:17:21.880
<v Speaker 2>and the like. Those were good statements and questions and

1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:24.000
<v Speaker 2>like they really nailed it in.

1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Suspicions Ellis, I feel like his redirect on Michelle was

1:17:27.920 --> 1:17:30.920
<v Speaker 3>like masterful, Like how he's like, do you feel like

1:17:31.000 --> 1:17:33.760
<v Speaker 3>you need to give answers that make people not be

1:17:33.840 --> 1:17:35.479
<v Speaker 3>mad at you and just give people what they want

1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:35.720
<v Speaker 3>to hear?

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<v Speaker 1>And it was like, like that was amazing.

1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:41.160
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, Also, I think also the age thing, she

1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:42.960
<v Speaker 3>is six, Like I don't remember a ton of from

1:17:42.960 --> 1:17:44.400
<v Speaker 3>when I'm six, but I remember a lot more from

1:17:44.439 --> 1:17:47.280
<v Speaker 3>when I ate nine. So the episode changed it a bit,

1:17:47.360 --> 1:17:50.799
<v Speaker 3>But I'm glad he's out. He did twenty years in prison,

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<v Speaker 3>and then that's all too much.

1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I know.

1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, this episode, we actually don't have a guest this week,

1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:00.240
<v Speaker 3>so we are just gonna dive right in to our

1:18:00.280 --> 1:18:09.080
<v Speaker 3>post mortem. So postmortem tricky. I mean, the episode wants

1:18:09.160 --> 1:18:12.679
<v Speaker 3>you to believe one thing. The real life story seems

1:18:12.800 --> 1:18:17.920
<v Speaker 3>to me pretty cut and dry. But the episode, this

1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:20.320
<v Speaker 3>is one of those ones where what's the one that's

1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:23.040
<v Speaker 3>like the classic he said, she said with Shannon Sassimon.

1:18:23.400 --> 1:18:26.200
<v Speaker 1>It's called Doubt, Yeah, Doubt, the episode Doubt.

1:18:26.280 --> 1:18:28.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's like that one ends much more abruptly,

1:18:28.800 --> 1:18:31.040
<v Speaker 3>with like a total cliffhanger and like a you'll never

1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:36.280
<v Speaker 3>know kind of thing, and then this one too is

1:18:36.400 --> 1:18:38.240
<v Speaker 3>kind of like, ugh, well, what's.

1:18:38.080 --> 1:18:38.640
<v Speaker 1>The I don't know.

1:18:38.720 --> 1:18:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Normally we end a little bit more black and white

1:18:40.840 --> 1:18:42.040
<v Speaker 3>in these s few episodes.

1:18:42.080 --> 1:18:43.559
<v Speaker 1>So no, it's really upsetting.

1:18:43.600 --> 1:18:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the thing that haunts me is

1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:49.280
<v Speaker 2>in the trial when they're like, yeah, the mom told

1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:50.920
<v Speaker 2>her what to do, and now the dad is, yeah,

1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:53.800
<v Speaker 2>what she should say, And that's when it clicked where

1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh my god, is she just being continuously

1:18:56.720 --> 1:19:01.760
<v Speaker 2>manipulated by these two evil people, or you know, is

1:19:01.760 --> 1:19:03.080
<v Speaker 2>it the truth that's tough.

1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:04.439
<v Speaker 1>It's it is. It's a tough one.

1:19:04.479 --> 1:19:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I do think the way the episode has it like

1:19:06.760 --> 1:19:09.320
<v Speaker 3>made up, like it's just too much of a coincidence

1:19:09.320 --> 1:19:12.639
<v Speaker 3>that the mom was fucking the cop investigating the case

1:19:12.800 --> 1:19:15.639
<v Speaker 3>like that that also he did it, like I don't know,

1:19:15.920 --> 1:19:17.200
<v Speaker 3>like that would be kind.

1:19:16.960 --> 1:19:19.479
<v Speaker 1>Of But she looks so sad when they hutt.

1:19:19.680 --> 1:19:21.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah she does, But I think that could be also

1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:24.000
<v Speaker 3>because what you're saying, like does her dad love her

1:19:24.080 --> 1:19:25.840
<v Speaker 3>or was he like using her just to get out

1:19:25.880 --> 1:19:28.439
<v Speaker 3>of jail, Like does her like her mom did that.

1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:30.840
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like she's sad also because she spent

1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:32.760
<v Speaker 3>her whole life in this which I'm sure is true

1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:35.759
<v Speaker 3>of the real girl as well, like in this web

1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:38.720
<v Speaker 3>of like kind of being a child caught in this

1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:42.799
<v Speaker 3>web of like adult bullshit, you know, like like parents

1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:45.800
<v Speaker 3>using each other, using kids as like pawns against each other,

1:19:45.920 --> 1:19:49.400
<v Speaker 3>you know. And also this episode is coming out right

1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:50.880
<v Speaker 3>after the oscars, as we talked about in the in

1:19:51.160 --> 1:19:53.400
<v Speaker 3>the beginning, and they did have Andre Brower in the

1:19:53.400 --> 1:19:55.760
<v Speaker 3>in Memoriam, and that really hit me. That really hit

1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:58.360
<v Speaker 3>me like a ton of bricks. I weirdly love the

1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:00.920
<v Speaker 3>in Memoriam so much. But it's like as we get older,

1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:03.280
<v Speaker 3>we're just knowing so many more people in it. We

1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:04.920
<v Speaker 3>used to when we were younger, just to be like,

1:20:04.960 --> 1:20:07.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, your parents would watch and go or whatever,

1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:10.000
<v Speaker 3>and now it's like all these people that we know

1:20:10.080 --> 1:20:13.160
<v Speaker 3>and love. Matthew Perry was sad. You know who didn't

1:20:13.200 --> 1:20:17.240
<v Speaker 3>get put in it? Lance Reddick another SVU alum. Suzanne

1:20:17.240 --> 1:20:18.719
<v Speaker 3>Summer's not an SVU alum.

1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:20.920
<v Speaker 2>My most famous in Memoriam is when I went to

1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:23.800
<v Speaker 2>the Porn Awards and they did it in Memoriam before

1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:27.760
<v Speaker 2>this award show started. But obviously it's like the porn

1:20:27.800 --> 1:20:32.679
<v Speaker 2>world so mostly sad, young tragic death. Oh my god,

1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:36.839
<v Speaker 2>you watch a like a montage of very young dead people.

1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:41.080
<v Speaker 2>And then Cardi B came out like it was really insane.

1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:42.200
<v Speaker 2>It was insane.

1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:45.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh my lord, they're really playing with your emotions at

1:20:45.600 --> 1:20:46.560
<v Speaker 3>the Porn Awards.

1:20:46.640 --> 1:20:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Fuck god.

1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I would like to go down in history and say

1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:51.759
<v Speaker 2>I had not mention Taylor Swift once.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, you keep continuing, you keep going.

1:20:56.800 --> 1:21:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Are you happy I didn't mention Taylor. We can go

1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:03.719
<v Speaker 2>on with you know, it's sister peg. Let's go into

1:21:03.760 --> 1:21:06.200
<v Speaker 2>our what would Taylor Swift do. I'm sorry, this is

1:21:06.240 --> 1:21:09.000
<v Speaker 2>our segment what would us, Sister peg do? Our weekly

1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:13.120
<v Speaker 2>segment where we direct you towards an organization, a blog, post,

1:21:13.200 --> 1:21:14.960
<v Speaker 2>a book, something to give you more info about what

1:21:15.040 --> 1:21:18.120
<v Speaker 2>we talked about today, And honestly, for this episode, I

1:21:18.160 --> 1:21:20.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of just wanted to direct to the Innocence Project,

1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:23.879
<v Speaker 2>which works to free the innocent and prevent wrongful convictions

1:21:23.880 --> 1:21:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and create fair, compassionate, equitable systems of justice for everyone.

1:21:27.920 --> 1:21:29.880
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about them before, but it was it's been

1:21:29.920 --> 1:21:31.439
<v Speaker 2>a while, so I just wanted to put them back

1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:35.120
<v Speaker 2>in everyone's mind. They work to pass transformative state laws

1:21:35.120 --> 1:21:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and federal reforms and advance the innocence movement using DNA

1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:42.320
<v Speaker 2>and other scientific advancements, and help people rebuild their lives

1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:45.519
<v Speaker 2>post release, which is really important, especially when we're hearing

1:21:45.520 --> 1:21:47.960
<v Speaker 2>about in New York City this governor who wants to

1:21:47.960 --> 1:21:51.200
<v Speaker 2>make like violent offenders not able to ride the subway anymore.

1:21:51.280 --> 1:21:54.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like recidivism is already such a horrible issue. How

1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:57.160
<v Speaker 2>do you expect anyone who has committed a crime, done

1:21:57.200 --> 1:22:00.280
<v Speaker 2>their time to get back and reintegrate into society. They

1:22:00.479 --> 1:22:01.719
<v Speaker 2>can't get to their job.

1:22:02.040 --> 1:22:04.479
<v Speaker 3>But that's a side note to find it more about

1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:08.920
<v Speaker 3>ongoing cases, additional information from your local innocence organization because

1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:12.519
<v Speaker 3>I believe they are by state, So you can find

1:22:12.560 --> 1:22:15.680
<v Speaker 3>your local innocence organization, volunteer, donate, and more go to

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck that Governor. There's already cops and fucking military all

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<v Speaker 2>over the trains. It is so stupid, not necessary. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not what anyone asked for. Fuck this Governor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but as New York I'm ever happy with any of

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<v Speaker 2>their leaders. I just feel like it's Boso after Boso

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<v Speaker 2>and nothing ever changes here. No. Yeah, next week we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be doing Crush from season ten, episode twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a good one and.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a great, great guest, a really fun guest.

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<v Speaker 2>So you guys, yeah, you'll be shocked, surprised, gag gooped

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<v Speaker 2>all of it. Yeah, all right, bye, bye, next get

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