WEBVTT - 042024 More Money in Law Enforcement Doesn’t Equal Less Crime (Part 1) 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.960 Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.760 welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:09.280 mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I am 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:10.480 your host, Ramsey's. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:14.000 Job is Ramsey's job. I am q ward. You are 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.520 tuned in once again and hopefully for the ninety two 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.680 hundredth times pacivic scit. 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.400 That's right, man, listen, we are ready for today's show. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.040 We got some some Jesse Jackson playing in the background 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:26.440 a little earlier, were a little hyped up. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:27.400 Thank you, rever. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.320 Yes, yes, and we are feeling like we got a 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.360 lot to share with you. So first off, rest in peace, 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:35.360 Rico Way. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:36.800 One time for the Dungeon family. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:38.800 Okay, if you don't know about Rico Way, you need 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.559 to get to know about him and then offer, you know, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.280 some some positive and cultivate some positivity and radiate that 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:46.159 into the universe. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.159 Our prayers and thoughts to the whole DF absolutely. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:51.960 Absolutely, But stick around because today we're going to be 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:53.960 talking about the police. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:55.560 Not a whole lot new. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:01:00.320 There, but something specific came out recently and our who 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:05.360 came out that kind of compared police spending rates to 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.880 the impact on crime rates, and so you know, city 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.959 budgets for policing and whether or not more officers on 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:18.040 the streets or better training or better you know whatever equipment, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.640 blah blah blah, what have you if that impacts crime 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.840 rates and spoiler alerted doesn't. But we're going to break 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:28.199 that down for you and so you can think about 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.160 things a little bit more critically as you vote in 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.959 local elections. I just want to make sure you're going form. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:35.960 And then we're going to spend the second part of 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:43.800 the show discussing some recent examples of police misconduct, police violence, 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.480 police cover ups, all that sort of stuff that we 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.400 haven't been able to get to. And you know, if 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.680 we take a couple of weeks off to talk about 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.880 you know, this or that or the other thing, these 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.920 things tend to pile up. Indeed, I think we had 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.440 like six or eight choices that were national stories and 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.240 we picked three to share with you today. So a 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.880 lot to stick around. But first and foremost, it is 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:08.760 time to discuss some ebony excellence. And today's Ebony Excellence 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.320 is sponsored by Major Threads for Innovative Fashionable Sports, where 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.679 check majorthreads dot com. And I'm going to share a 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:20.680 bit from NBC News Ralph y'arrel. For those that remember, 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.400 Ralph y'arl was the black teenager who survived being shot 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.840 in the head after he rang the wrong doorbell. It's 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.560 about a year ago. He's now coming to grips with 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.760 how the shooting has affected him, and we thought that 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:45.080 this was an example of resilience and triumph over adversity, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.000 and so we wanted to share a little bit about 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.639 his story. We've talked about him a couple of times 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:50.840 on the show, but you know, as he continues to 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.280 recover and kind of get back into his normal routine, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.400 we just want to continue saluting him, so I'll share 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.880 a bit. Sometimes, y'all, age seventeen turns it inward, ignoring 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.720 phone calls and text from loved ones. He skipped senior 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.359 prom because he was afraid people would ask him about 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.320 the shooting and he wasn't sure how he'd respond, and 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.080 he acknowledges that his brain doesn't process dense information the 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:14.720 way that it once did. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:15.760 That's okay, baby boy. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.880 You do what you can. You focus on being the 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:20.280 best version of yourself as you can be. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.360 Here's a quote from him. Quote. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.799 It's definitely a bumpy journey, he said in his first 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.320 in depth interview about how the shooting has affected him. 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.000 One year later. He goes on to say, whenever there's 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.640 something that goes on that reminds me of what happened, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:38.400 I just have such a negative wave of emotions, anger, disgust. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.840 It's always a mix of good and bad days, and 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.600 I feel like the good days are when I'm able 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.320 to be around people that helped me build myself up. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:51.120 So recently on Easter, y'all was full of spunk, hiding 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.480 eggs in his aunt's backyard for his younger cousins. He's 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.360 taking life one day at a time, and I'll leave 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.680 you with this quote. I just feel I got lucky 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.720 instead of being alive. And he plans to study engineering 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.760 at university next ball, although he's undecided on where. So 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.320 shout out to him for keeping it moving. All right, 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.680 So let's get to this article. I'll just share a 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:18.280 bit this from Publicnewsservice dot org. You're welcome to check 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.240 this out, and of course there's other locations with this 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.720 is where we source this material. A new report shows 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.920 that despite record spending on law enforcement in California, the 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.640 clearance rate that is, the rate of prime solved was 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:37.200 at the lowest ever. Researchers from the Center on Juvenile 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.440 and Criminal Justice found that the state spent a record 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.960 twenty seven billion dollars on police in twenty twenty one, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.600 but the clearance rate was just thirteen percent for all 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:51.600 reported defenses. And this is down from twenty percent as 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.200 far back as nineteen eighty five. So senior researcher for 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:02.200 the Center and report author Mike Man explain, quote, it's 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.760 that the police are simply not making arrest. In Oakland, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.200 for instance, they have a crime clearance a rate of 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:15.440 two percent serious Part one violence and property offenses. State 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.800 Department of Justice data shows that San Francisco's clear rate 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.200 for all crimes in twenty twenty two was six point 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:25.280 six percent. That city's police department has blamed widespread autobreak 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:29.080 ins for low clearance rates, but Males said that it's 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.240 not enough to account for the decline and clearances over 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.080 the last thirty years. Some in law enforcement have suggested 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.880 that Prop. Forty seven, which raised the threshold for a 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.080 theft to be charged as the felony, has contributed to 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.160 the uptick and property crimes over the last two years 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:47.680 and to fewer arrests. But Assembly Member Isaac Bryan, was 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.440 Democratic and from Los Angeles, noted the Prop forty seven 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.000 saved the state more than seven hundred and fifty million 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:58.240 dollars in incarceration costs in twenty fourteen and reinvested the 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.520 money into programs that help people find housing, jobs, and 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.640 treatment for addiction and mental illness. Quote, if we provided 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.599 a economic opportunity and the resources for the people to 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.080 thrive and live their lives, we wouldn't see rampant theft. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.159 All right, I'm gonna stop here for a second, because 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.240 so far in this article, this really affirms what we 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:24.719 talk about quite a bit on this show. And I 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.200 know that there are a lot of people are thinking, Oh, 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.440 that's just California. No, We've covered this very thing several 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:36.960 times on the show, this very phenomenon that people feel 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.440 like spending more money on the police, more police officers, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:47.400 police training, all these things lead to safer communities. People 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.760 feel that way, and I understand why if I didn't 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.320 know better, if I didn't do this show and have 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.920 to research all of this like data all the time, 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.480 I would feel the same way. It makes sense if 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.839 you don't know otherwise. But the fact of the matter 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.800 is that none of the things that I mentioned, not 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.240 more police, not bigger police budgets, not better armed police, 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:13.640 police with better equipment, not better police training. None of 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:18.200 these things impacts crime rates. The truth of the matter 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:19.920 is that the more police that there are, the more 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.800 police corruption that there ends up becoming. And you wouldn't 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.760 know that unless you looked at the university based studies, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.880 and I employ you to go back and look. Almost 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.320 every maybe two three episodes, we're doing something like this 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.000 that's in depth. But I do recall when we spend 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:41.200 some time discussing police training and how that doesn't work. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.680 It's a myth, you know, these officers need better training. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.880 It's just a myth. You know, you might give some 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.200 diversity training to an officer and send it back on 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.120 on the streets. But after about a month, the studies, 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.000 the university studies concluded that after about a month, the 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.920 officers just kind of reverted to type. And that was 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.440 indicative of the fact that there's a more pronounced police 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:06.400 culture at play than individual and that culture has a 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:13.440 gravity that's more dominant than a person's individual sensibilities. Right, 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.960 So there's a whole, a whole plethora of issues going 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:23.320 on here, But insofar as spending is concerned, if we 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.600 spend more money on police, then we will have less crime. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:31.680 That is an utter myth, and we've had to wrestle 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:32.760 with that here quite a bit. 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:42.800 We and I don't simply mean Ramses and Q, but we, 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:49.360 as whatever portion of society that thinks along the same 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:54.320 lines as defund the police, have really done an awful 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:59.640 job at even explaining the why that was. That was 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.040 bad messaging in general. In my opinion, I said that 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.240 the very first time I've ever heard on this show 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.760 like saying it like that is a bad idea because 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.880 it's going to freak everybody out. But there's been a 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.400 lack of explanation, and we've tried, but we just don't 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.560 have enough time to explain it with the depth and 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:21.079 nuance necessary as to providing a better solution. And if 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.000 you read in depth what people were trying to say 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.800 when they said defund the police, you would have found 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.000 a bunch of ideas, a bunch of ways to diversify 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.480 spending or reallocate funds that made a lot of sense 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.679 toward an end that would result in less crime, similar 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.559 to some of the things mentioned in this article that 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:44.840 we're reading now. It's just that when that's the cover page, 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.280 that's the headline, that's the headline, nobody's reading the rest. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.040 Because what you and I have to admit this is 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.880 Qan Ramses and we have a long stated history on 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.920 our position in policing in this country. When we show 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.840 up at a nightclub or a concert, or a walk 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:03.480 down on a dark street and see a police officer there, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:08.440 we feel safer, even us. And I know that because 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.319 it happened to me like in the last ten days, 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.080 so I know that it's true for even me. So 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:18.760 when society at large feels safer by the presence of police, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.520 they are not lining up to stand in the way 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.600 of their being more police present, especially when they do 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.559 not understand because they've been indoctrinated and taught and kind 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:33.520 of brainwashed since childhood, that police are in essence, not 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:41.280 just heroes but crime solvers and crime preventors and the 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.079 narrative and any movie you want to watch about police, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.320 even one of our favorites, Bad Boys, starring Will Smith 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:53.880 and Martin Lawrence. These gentlemen are full time investigative detectives, 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:58.160 solving and preventing crime at the highest level, and in 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.680 no place on Earth does it work that way. Like 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.080 some federal agencies work that way, but on a scale 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.600 that's just way beyond the stuff that's happening in your 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.960 local community. Right, So what we see in these increased 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.920 budgets is more about the appearance of good policing, right. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.439 And I make it similar to when the new Call 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.840 of Duty comes out and you download the game where 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.520 you buy that game, stop or whatever the case, and 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:29.760 you see all the gear, you know, custom ar rifles 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:34.240 and bulletproof vest and subs that have been repurposed as 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.800 like tanks with bulletproof doors and a mini gun, and 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.960 all these things that look really cool, that really look 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.440 like Call of Duty is the best example, because they've 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.040 marketed Call of Duty to be like cool military, like 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.400 kids want to dress up like that for Halloween instead 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:56.679 of like firemen. It's the marketing of our military and 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.679 the marketing of our local and state level law enforcement 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.920 has led to this. Let's give them faster cars and 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:09.080 bigger weapons thing with those budgets. Let's hire more officers 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.080 and make them more intimidating so they can stand on 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.120 corners and drive through neighborhoods and intimidate the crime out 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.920 of the place. Except the criminals look at that and laugh, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.520 because you're not going to be here when we commit crimes. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.720 You're going to show up after and try to find 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.319 us and fam we. 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:31.240 Out outro That's why the solve rate is too PERCAI. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.640 Yeah, we're not listen, You guys are are spending that 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.319 budget preparing for some forgive the term for lack of better, 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.160 for some war that's not going to happen. Like if 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.080 there was a war between all the criminals and all 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.080 the cops, the cops would win in a landslide that 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.440 they got all the equipment. But you've lived your whole life, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.439 whoever you are listening to this, have you ever seen 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.400 such a thing? And even in cases where you think 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.880 they'd show up on some Gi Joe where innocent people 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:04.160 are being unalived and shot, they don't. They stay outside, 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.000 They stay out the way, they get out the way, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:07.240 they run out of the way. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.680 So much so that do you remember that episode that 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:14.040 we did where we had to take a moment to 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.319 acknowledge there was a police officer where they were in 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.040 the Midwest, Yeah, toward the gun ward the gunfire, and 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.920 we're like, that's a hero. He's actually going he's being brave. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.679 So we can call this one individual brave. He's going 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.240 toward the gunfire. He's helping the people who are trying 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.480 to escape stay behind that car, don't get up, and 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.960 he's still going toward the gunfire. That's a hero. That's 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.839 a brave officer. Credit where it's due, Right, we're very 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.160 critical of police on this show, but credit where it's due. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.320 I mean, even what you just said isn't true though, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.640 because we're not very critical of police. We know a 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.760 bunch of police officers that are awesome. We spend time 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:53.040 as standing outside talking to them, walking from miles, exchanging 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:57.080 ideas and having conversations with police officers that are amazing people. Sure, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.760 when we say police, we are not talking about your 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.000 officer that you know. We are talking about the system 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:07.000 that exists that Unfortunately, even some awesome people succumb to 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.199 part of the culture that is involved with that job 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.640 and end up having to turn off their human being 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:17.080 and be an. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.560 Officer of the law. Yeah, they're police first, human second. 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:25.960 That is something that is very problematic. Those type of 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:31.960 people are indoctrinated. We believe with that police culture, police 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.240 at all costs. You know, if you pull someone over 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.760 and you search their vehicle and you pat them down, 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.800 you're looking for something. And what this is something that 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.400 I say to often lady friends of mine, that's usually 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.640 where I have this conversation, but sometimes male friends too. 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.600 It's like when you're going through someone's phone, you know, 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.800 like your partner's phone, right, if you're looking for something, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.280 you're going to find it even if it's not there. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.680 And the interesting thing is it's a great example, just 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.960 like in relationships in law enforcement, even when they don't 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.120 find anything, it's not like, oh my god, I'm so 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:07.920 sorry I did that. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:08.800 Yeah, you don't get that. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.080 Oh no, no, No, They're gonna make something what they 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.080 wanted it to be, no matter how small, no matter 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.120 how insignificant, no matter how unrelated it is, and it's 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.680 never their fault. Right Like in our case, right, there 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.480 was some drugs present. I know this car is k new. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.000 I know neither of you have ever had or tried drugs, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:28.760 but there were some drugs present. The guy could not 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.120 just say my bad, fam yeah no he got had dog. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.480 We didn't have all on the side of the hours, 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.400 in the middle of the dark in Mississippi, and Strip 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:41.200 searched the car, like, took parts panels off, took panels 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.880 off of doors and seats out of this brand new car. 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.920 Even then, it couldn't just be my bad man. He 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:47.560 was tripping. 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.080 He was liken the dog dogs. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:55.600 The dog's nose was nine hundred million, thousand trillion times 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.240 stronger than the human knows. And a person with a 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.520 joint in their pocket about nine hundred miles ago probably 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.600 scraped when we left podcast rushed up against the car 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.120 and that's what the dog. So we're going eighty miles 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.800 an hour across two states, is that's when we last 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.560 filled up, and that's the last time someone potentially got 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:17.120 close to the car. 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.360 We were both in the car, by the way, so 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.640 no one got close to the car. You couldn't have 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.840 anyway anyway. So watch this. One of the things that 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:35.200 I liken, this phenomenon too, this phenomenon of people feeling safe. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:36.960 Right. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.920 Oh, well, that we're increasing the police budget. So we're 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.040 gonna make Denver a safer city or whatever city you 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.400 live in, right, cracked down on crime. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:46.560 Yeah, that sort of thing. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.600 We're going to hire eleven hundred new police officers to 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.840 make sure your community. Say right, so this rhetoric, I 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:58.760 liken that too, because we know it doesn't work, does 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.640 not prevent crime. That's what people will We know it 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.400 doesn't work. Yeah, well we know it doesn't work. So 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:04.040 this is what I like you. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.080 Yeah, large doesn't the part that. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:07.080 We're here to teach. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.520 You know, we're trying. We even we get to push 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.840 back because they don't a lot of people don't believe 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.000 it because it comes across as we're biased. We have 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:16.639 a negative bias towards the police. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:16.840 Man. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.720 Listen, so we're going to find all this data to 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:19.359 make us right. 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.480 Let me let me help everybody that might feel that 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:27.520 way out. We are DJs. We have a way funner 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.280 job that we could be doing. This is necessary. This 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.680 is something that is fueled by conviction. This is something 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.800 that's appropriate given the space in which we work, and 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.080 no one else is kind of working here, and we 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.680 cannot continue to just throw parties and have fun and 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.520 travel the world and dejail on beaches and stuff like that. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.520 And know that we have this opportunity and indeed this 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.840 responsibility to deliver these messages. But this is we're not 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.040 doing this because we love it. We're not looking for statistics, 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.199 so we can be right and that Lord knows, this 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.639 isn't where we're getting money at so sure, but anyway, 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.080 So what I like in that too, that phenomenon of 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:08.119 people feeling like more police officers are going to make 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.680 them safe. It's like the same thing as if you 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.359 have like a mold problem. Right, if you have a 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.520 mold problem. Let's say there's mold growing on the walls 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.920 in your bathroom or your kitchen or something like that, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:28.000 and you're aware that there's a mold problem there, and 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:34.520 then you paint it. That doesn't fix the mold problem, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.160 but it doesn't look like there's mold anymore, doesn't look 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:42.000 like it. But that problem is still there, and eventually 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.919 it will affect you, it'll affect someone close to you. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:45.440 Right. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.639 So what we've been saying and what certainly more brilliant 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.880 people in terms of strategy, more brilliant people than us. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.879 It might not be more brilliant in terms of marketing, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.280 but certainly in terms of strategy. They've come up with 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:04.680 this idea of hey, let's allocate police resources into programs 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.760 that prevent the necessity of crime. In the first place, 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:12.200 there's this this prevailing thought that people commit crimes because 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.800 they're bad, right, and most of the crime there's certainly 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.399 some people who commit crimes because they're just that's what 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.760 they're going to do. But this isn't just anecdotal evidence 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.639 you can look at you know, uh, and I'm not 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.359 talking about even violent offenses, although and there's an argument 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:28.840 to be made. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.359 There, but property real just real unbiased data. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.919 Yeah, property crimes there, this is these are crimes of 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.720 people who are poor. Rich people aren't stealing bicycles. Rich 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.680 people aren't, you know, That's that's not the thing. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.520 We're so conflicted as a society, though, ramses, it is 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:50.400 counterintuitive for a capitalist society to create the socialist infrastructure 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.879 required for its citizens to not be starving, sick and hungry. 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:59.080 It's it's it's it's actually against wise, it goes against 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.200 the nature of it. So there's no actual incentive for 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.399 them to do that, not because they want crime, but 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.440 your alternative is creating situations where crime is less likely 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.119 to happen, which means people are less likely to be poor. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.800 And unfortunately, our capitalist system requires that some of us 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.280 not have anything yet is it requirement for the system 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:20.920 to exist? 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.960 Capitalism needs unemployments to keep wages low. It is a 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.240 function of the formula. Now I'm going to double down 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.080 on what you just said because I've taken an interest 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.360 in Finland lately. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.360 I've taken an interest in a bunch of places elsewhere. 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.200 Well, I'm just studying them. You actually want to move, man, 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:41.520 I'm just studying them. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.680 There's an election coming up, people. I mean, if it 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:45.880 doesn't make sense why I want to move, please open 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.080 your eyes, as Laurence Fishburne want to say it, wake up. 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:55.840 Well dig this. So in Finland they Finland is capitalistic, right, 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:03.240 the capitalistic economic model there, but they have such robust 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:09.840 socialist programs that it doesn't feel like the unfettered crony capitalism, 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:16.600 the runaway capitalism that is part and parcel to American life. 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:17.119 Right. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.440 And you know, there are people who make arguments foreign 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.760 against socialism. There are people who make arguments foreign against 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.560 communism or any other type of economic model. Right, But 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.480 for better or worse, we will seed that on a 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.920 global scale, capitalism is the idea that has won out. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.359 Capitalism drives the economies of the world. Right, we don't 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.040 have to love. That's the reasons why you're so obvious though, Right. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:43.080 Yeahs want to remain that system allows them to do so. 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:44.959 And trick they can. 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:47.240 They think that they can get there too. Right. 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:56.600 But I think that societies that offset the nature of 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:02.000 capitalism with robust socialist programs, they're the ones where there's 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:06.240 low crime rates, low incarceration rates, there's more economic mobility 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.960 for people, on and on and on. Right, people don't 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.240 readily fall through the cracks homelessness, you know, whatever, pick 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.400 a thing, they suffer from less of those, right, And 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.800 when we try to examine how could we do that here, well, 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.840 it takes money, and where are we going to get 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.120 the money from. Well, the police were spending a lot 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.000