WEBVTT - The Right Ear is the Gay Ear (with Vinny Thomas) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.840 My Mama told me Presents the Start to Steal Tour. 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.080 We're very excited about it. Yeah, I'm not about to 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.240 bite my tongue. We want to sell it out and 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:12.319 the dates are coming up fast, and so if you 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.120 live in one of these areas, we want you to 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.880 buy your tickets now. It's all available on our instagrams, 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.360 on our websites, on our link tree. But October seventeenth, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.200 we're in La in Hollywood. We'll be in Atlanta on 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:31.479 Halloween October thirty first. November one, we're in Houston, November two, Austin, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.320 November third, Dallas. We're in Brooklyn. On November seventh, We're 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:40.159 in Somerville, Massachusetts. It's Boston, bitch, get over it. November eighth, 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.360 November tenth, we're in Philly. November seventeenth, we're in San Francisco. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:46.960 We want y'all to come out. We want y'all to 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.920 kick it. We will be doing our coveted live show 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.080 with special guests, with just me and David. Depending on 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.000 the city, it'll be a great time. All that meet 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.080 and greets. You've been Chris Brown as. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:00.800 A good meet and greed. Bro. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.640 Let's be clear, I'll take a weird picture with you 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.360 for free. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.160 You don't gotta be cool with me, Vinnie, A fellow 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:22.240 jin Alpha, myself, me and my friend David, we also 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.479 hit that woe with the best of them, you. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:29.720 Know, yeah, goes the fuck amen fellas, And I'm just 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:30.880 like you, you know what I mean. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:39.319 I watched I watched Monk, right, I was like there 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.640 with you watching watch a lot or. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.800 Mon is a great fucking show. Let's let's have out 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:54.800 was a great fucking show. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.480 I'm not stelling a monk. I love monk. 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.240 You kids would do well to watch a little monk. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.000 Maybe you would n't act that way if you watched 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.160 a little monk. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:13.239 Chips in your. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:21.639 Nails, A qualms are racist. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.839 The money. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.200 Stuff, I can't tell me. 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.720 Gold all in my chain, gold all in my ring, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.280 gold all in my watch. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:42.440 Don't believe me. Just watch nigga, nigga, nigga. Don't believe me. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.280 Just watch there it is, there it is. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.600 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:49.640 Mama Told. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.919 Me, the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.120 of black conspiracy. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.760 Theories and we finally worked to prove that Lionel Richie 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:03.359 was only allowed out of his Commodore's contract if he 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.560 agreed to adopt a white child. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:07.639 You think they were. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:12.160 Letting that that that brilliant man's money go back to 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.520 a black baby, to the black community. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.919 Absolutely not. We're making that white money again. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.760 It's the only way you're getting out of this Commodore's 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.320 bullshit is make this some white money. And that's what 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.799 they did. I'm like Ston Kerman, I'm. 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.040 David boy, and I've never been more proud to call 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:40.600 you my co host. It's Julie. What other explanation is there? 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.760 Just two black people adopting a white baby and being like, yep, 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:45.120 this is what we got going. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.040 It's I've only ever even heard of it on your 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:53.400 television show south Side. I've never even heard of it, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.520 and I know a lot of fucking freaks. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.520 It's a bald choice, even for a very rich black 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.520 man to be like, I'm gonna get a little white 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.040 girl and keep her. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:06.200 Is it? 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:07.440 Man? 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.360 Okay? Here's would you do it? That's I think how 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.960 we need to open this. Would you guys do that? Wow, 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:17.880 that's a tough question. Would I adopt a white child? 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.480 I would adopt the right kind of white child I 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.520 would adopt. I would say Greek or Italian, I would 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.440 adopt white child. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:29.640 Okay, I like that. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.479 I think Greek sounds nice, a little a little stoppy 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:35.200 running around. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:41.000 That seems nice. But if you get an Eastern European 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:46.560 he could still bam, oh at you a Luca. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:48.560 True. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.839 And I don't know the prices of babies racially, but 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:59.120 prices I would maybe not be crazy insane. Then you 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.600 you know, I'm gonna be honest. The Eastern Europeans seem 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.800 wholesale to me. They seem you know what I mean. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.280 They seem like there's no mark up. You just hit 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.760 them for what they're worth. And and that's the deal. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:15.359 Anywhere you go. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.839 I think you're play a dangerous game. I think you 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.680 have a fifty to fifty chance if you adopt an 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.760 Eastern European person they're going to be a vampire. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.719 Because that's the worry. That's man, right, two minutes in 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.919 you're already tracking. That is the worry. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.200 They're calling you Papa, and they're biting your neck, and 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:34.320 now you're in trouble. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.719 Yeah I got you, but now I got a vampire 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.440 on the team. Oh, you're saying you can. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.680 You can weaponize this vampire. You can make them into 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:45.479 into something else. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.320 I mean, I'm saying that he will have a love 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.400 of his father that will propel him to help his 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.000 father out when his father is in need. Much like you, 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.640 When are you going to be in need of a vampire? 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.920 Broy eyes coming around? I don't know what's about to happen. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.600 Fair, you're imagining kind of a dexter situation where trainer 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.000 monster child. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.440 Whoa you suld monster? First of all European, you're putting 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.400 these labels all my boy. No, we agree on vampire. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.640 We agreed on vampire, and. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:22.320 I think that qualifies as monster. I'm here with Vinnie. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.360 I don't we should introduce our guests. We haven't even 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.400 bothered introducing him. We immediately launched into speculations about the 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.880 prices of white babies and vampires. But but our guest 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.920 today is so funny. We're both big fans of his. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:37.720 Uh. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.240 He's a comedian, he's an actor, he's a writer, and 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.359 you can see him currently on on Platonic on Apple 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.919 TV plus. Give it up for the hilarious Vinnie Thomas. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:56.239 Everybody that was more ominous than it felt. 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.600 It was just they told me to expect sounds, and 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.039 I still was not prepared, I think, emotionally, spiritual, or 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.760 physically for sound to occur. And I'm going to do 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:06.600 that in the future. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:07.840 That's the hard part. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.600 It happens at any time, and there's no real way 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:23.440 to prepare for that feeling. We grow when we're uncomfortable. Venny, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.720 we're excited you're here. You came to us with the 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.560 conspiracy theory that I actually was surprised we had never 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:35.040 covered before. It's such a it's such a formative conspiracy theory. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:39.120 I think in my childhood that I almost think I 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.960 overlooked it because of how much it felt ubiquitous with 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:48.440 my own upbringing. But you said, my mama told me. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:56.520 If your right ear is pierced, that means you're gay. Yeah. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:04.800 True, that's all true. Everything you said is true. I 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.320 think by the time I was in school that that 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.920 conspiracy theory it was starting to kind of drift away 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.120 a little bit, right, But there's always that thing in 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.640 the back of your head is like which year is 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.240 a homosexual ear? Which year is the heterosexual ear? Ultimately 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.720 I could not remember which is which, so. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.160 Which when maybe is the gayest thing you can do, 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.120 not remembering that mean. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.160 For yeah, one thing about gay people is we have 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:43.959 Ambiesia was gay? Oh my god? Yeah, dorry from finding Nemo, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.640 lesbian fish, short term laws. This is all try. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.640 So my question is first, because I know we all 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.400 heard it. Did you guys believe it? Vinnie? 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.840 I'll let you answer that first, because I do have 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.959 an answer. I don't want to override. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.480 I don't know if I believed it, but I still 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.680 was terrified of getting one ear pierced versus the other 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.160 because I wasn't sure which was which. You don't believe it, 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.040 but you do trust that other people will believe it, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:18.800 perhaps people who are bigger and stronger than you. And 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.360 I think that alone is stilled the kind of belief 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:22.920 that sense. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.199 I feel almost exactly the same. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.200 I didn't believe it for a second, but I was like, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.760 all these niggas do, so who am I? Who am 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.160 I to jet against their own research? Yeah, I'm gonna 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.760 make sure I get the correct one, Pierce, so that 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:38.080 no associations. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.439 Yeah are It's not the smart who inherit the earth. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:47.719 It's the brutal and stupid, and they make the decisions. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.880 Bory did you believe it when you were a young lad. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.920 I think I believed it in the way that I 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.160 believed a lot of things. I was told of this 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.080 like of this kind of type where it's like, maybe 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.200 there's something going on that I don't know, you know 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:07.600 what I'm saying, Like I was like, I don't know 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.760 what they do that could be. Like I didn't have 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.200 my ears pierced. It definitely wasn't something I was like 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.160 worried about either way. But I think that I thought 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.040 that culture. Maybe it's culture, you know what I mean, 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.360 Maybe there's like the story behind it. But I thought 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.200 that I thought that. I definitely think I thought it 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:26.160 came from somewhere. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.080 I will say I I was not out in school 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.600 and I didn't have my ears pierced at all because 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:37.080 my parents thought piercings were disgusting. They still do, I 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.920 don't know what about piercings and tattoos and still kind 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.400 of a visceral disgust in their minds. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.640 Oh you know, you don't mean disgusting in like a 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.040 shameful way. You may literally like I think there's like 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:49.199 gag reflected. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:54.560 Yeah, it truly. It produces a sound in them that 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.000 is like a kind of scoff like what kind of 0:10:58.040 --> 0:10:59.400 like a you know what I mean? 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.760 Are your parents a what older? 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:08.760 No, but my mom My mom is white, but Italian white, 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:13.560 and her mother is from Italy like the old country, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.280 and so there's a lot kind of wrapped up in there. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.840 I guess my dad's a military guy, so I think 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:22.040 any kind of departure from you know, having regular ears 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.280 was was weird for him. But I did get one 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.960 of your peers. It wasn't the right one, guy, but 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:28.480 I did get one of your peers. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:30.199 Still blew it. 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:32.160 I still blew. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.160 You me, bro brother, we both the piercing. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:39.600 I did it. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.280 I guess I, in theory chose correctly for myself. But 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.280 that said, it all was very rooted in a fear 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:53.000 of like, yo, I hope I don't get made fun of. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.959 Yeah, here's the thing. When I went to get a pierce, 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.120 I went with a friend and he got his. He 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.679 got his rightier piers and I got my left ear 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.000 pears because we weren't sure which is which and we 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.240 wanted to cover the basis. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.239 That's what I mean. That's insane. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:15.080 That's genuinely insane for y'all not to like call it 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.199 off that day and go check. 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.840 And just be like, I'll do one, you do the other. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.560 Good luck. My nigga is crazy. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.560 One of us was gonna be right. You understand, one 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:27.920 of us was gonna be right. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:29.760 That's beautiful kind. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:33.880 Of That's the closest thing to homophobic Russian roulette I've 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:35.360 ever heard in my life. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:44.840 And as a direct result on gay and that is 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.040 what happened. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.800 That day that a lot of people think you're born 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:49.160 with it. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.280 That you just said Claire's was really fucked up? 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.000 Was it not a Claire's I didn't get my ears piercedetic. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.840 I'd be terrified when they used the same hole punching 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.760 that they used to like punch tags in Heffer's in 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.120 their farming. You know what I mean. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.120 I got news. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.280 I'm a Claire's man, through and through that. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:16.079 Let's go Claire's gay, Claire's gay, Claire's gay, Claire's get 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:16.840 the money dog. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:22.840 Let you let a teenager stab through your ear and Claire's. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:23.559 Stab it was. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.000 It was a little gun that they put to your 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.360 ear with a person who clearly doesn't know how it's worked. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.840 It works, or it could not replicate the same hole, 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.600 even if they wanted to it. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.880 Was it was a huge mistake. Of course, that's not 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:37.960 the right way to do it. 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.840 But but I'm of a generation where I think I'm 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.880 thirty seven years old, we didn't have the option to 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.520 go anywhere professional You went to Claire's or your mom 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.000 wasn't gonna take you anywhere at all. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:52.960 Your mom took you to get your ear peers. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.360 That's right, she was a nice lady. I do feel like, 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.280 and maybe this is this, there's part of this, like 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.480 just a lack of awareness, But I do feel like 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.760 when I was young, there were not nearly as many 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.760 places specifically to go for piercings. Like I don't feel 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.400 like it was always the tattoo piercing shop combo type 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.719 of thing. So I do feel like there was Oh yeah, 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.840 I do feel like there was less. I do feel 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.600 like there were less places to go to get it pierced. Yeah. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.520 And you, if you were a real man, you went 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.480 to players and you pre did it. 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:27.000 On the bus. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:32.040 If you were you pretended it wasn't a business filled 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.480 with children's jewelry. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.760 You you acted like you belong there. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.320 Did y'all have those friends who did it themselves who 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.440 like they heat it up a needle with a fire 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.760 and like stuck it through. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.080 they had terrible infections. Every time I hear someone tell 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.280 me about that and they're like, I was oozing. Afterwards, 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:52.920 I'm like, what the are you talking about? You were oozing? 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.640 They were like affected that. It was crazy. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.840 Brother, If your ear looks like it makes a ninja turtle, 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.840 you did something wrong. That's not how it's supposed to go. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:02.200 You know. 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.400 If it. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:17.000 So so, you obviously bought into the stereotype. You bought 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:22.120 into this conspiracy theory despite what ultimately ended up being. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.360 You ended up being a queer person despite that. Do 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:29.800 you feel like there were ever were there people in 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.760 your life that ever told you otherwise? Was there ever 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.560 a brave soul who stepped up and was like, Vinnie, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:36.800 that's silly. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.480 Be who you want to be. Pierce whatever ear you 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:40.120 want to pierce. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:48.160 No, absolutely not. Sometimes. I mean I had an older brother, 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:49.760 do you know what I mean? I would talk about 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.240 piercing my ear and he'd be like, you better make 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.840 sure you flip the coin the right way. Dangerous game. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.400 Again, it does not have to be a coin flip. 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.600 You could have just researched. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.080 With someone else and you each have to get one. 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.400 That's the way it works research. There's there's no way 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:07.600 to know. 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:11.640 Nah. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.680 Yeah, I didn't have anyone who was actively like fighting 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:19.320 against it. I feel like it just wasn't as ubiquitous. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.400 I feel like this is a very nineties conspiracy theory, 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.120 kind of a nineties early two thousands conspiracy, and it's 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.720 it's since started to trail off because now I feel 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:34.560 like young guys they got Young guys now are guys 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.960 who would have been considered very gay, like back in 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.520 the day in school, you know what I mean. They 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:43.960 got like, yeah, mushroom haircuts and dangly like cross earrings 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:44.480 and stuff. 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:50.600 So my little brother wears two dangling earrings. Yeah. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.880 The stress I would have had wearing this colored shirt 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.720 throughout most of my childhood was brother so heavy. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.040 Before Cameron Freda's. 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:06.920 Yeah, I would fusia my nigga. Do you know what 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.800 I'm walking into with this? I don't have the strength. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.000 Better be a goddamn school color. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:22.960 We better be fighting fusion tigers or I'll absolutely You know. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.760 What's funny to me about this conspiracy is like what 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.480 a terrible signal if it was, because I always thought 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.240 about it as it was trying to keep like a 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.320 like a secret society type of you know what I mean, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.360 Like it was it was supposed to be a secret signal. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:43.000 What a terrible signal? What I think You don't think 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.760 it's a great signal. No, we It's like if you're 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.640 trying to keep something. See I could just look at 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.640 your face the first thing I look at and be like, oh, 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:59.720 he's good. Like it's not, you know. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:17:59.959 What I mean. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:00.680 I mean, it's not. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.800 Here's why I thought it was a better idea. Maybe 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.560 this is my own stupidity. It always takes me a 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.320 minute to remember which ear is left and which ear 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.800 is right when I'm facing somebody. So it's like, ah, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.840 you got to sit there and do math, and after 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.040 you don't want to finish the math, so you just 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.080 ignore it and you move on with your life. Absolutely, 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.320 it's like, oh, it's subtle. It's very subtle. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.560 I feel like this has to have come from gay 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.120 people in I don't know, the seventies, maybe earlier than that. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:36.360 They had they had a language, they had secret little signals, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.000 and it was you know, it was gay years it 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.800 was the hanky code. It was all of this that 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.920 now is impossible to understand, Like to me, it doesn't 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.280 make any sense. But back then every homosexual had to 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:52.159 be like a Navajo code talker and like a secret breakdown, 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:56.120 like some hidden dialogue. And now it's like, oh shit, 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.040 you guys aren't hidden at all, you know. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.920 Yeah, grinder used to be. You just got to break 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.439 a branch off of this tree and walk into the 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.800 alley wait for somebody to notice. 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.280 Uh, it is interesting you said the hanky code, because 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.480 I remember when I first moved to San Francisco that 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.680 was like a big thing, but it was forever. It 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.119 was like the color and the placement said what you 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.360 were into. But I knew a lot of very boring 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.840 people who also used it, like they really co opted that. 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.159 Yeah, some people with the hanky code. I don't think 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.320 you need a hanky for like missionary and eye contact, 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:36.359 you know what I mean that? 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.160 Yeah, do something nasty with this? What are you doing? 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:52.960 Did I I'm curious to know how much you felt 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:57.960 like something like this slowed your ability to finding your 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.199 queer self, to fully coming out and feeling sort of 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.680 settled in whoever you are despite you know, the right 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.200 or wrong ear piercing quote unquote. 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.680 You know, I don't think the the ear piercing. I 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.440 don't think the ear piercing sloughed. I think it was 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.960 an eventuality that I was going to get my ear pierced, 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:18.800 you know what I mean. Ultimately, I do think it 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.520 was destiny. And at the end of the day, I 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.200 don't know if I don't think I ever absolutely believed 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.720 that what you're afraid of is other people's reaction to it, 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.200 not necessarily the thing itself. I think it was more 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.840 afraid of having a hole punched in me, which on 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.679 the face of it, is a completely ridiculous thing to 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.119 do for what so you can stick something in there? 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.119 It doesn't even make any sense, do you know what 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.560 I mean? Human behavior is just kind of odd to 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.320 begin with. Yeah, I think it was more scared of 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.880 getting my ear pierced than being perceived as a gay 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.880 guy with his ears pierced. And no, I don't think 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.240 the ear pierce theory had any effect at all. 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.960 Yeah, that's nice. There's something nice that it did. Nice. 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.800 Yeah, it is because you fear that like this is 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:07.680 somehow an inhibitor to people sort of being able to explore, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.840 to find themselves as it were, and so like, hell yeah, 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:16.120 if if a bunch of the deeply rooted homophobia from 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.920 the eighties and nineties did not break anyone's brains, I 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.240 take solace in that. That makes me feel warm inside. 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.040 Oh damn, Come on, sir. 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.320 All right, don't want to be ampho again to protect 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:40.920 myself because I'm also a coward. All right, We're gonna 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:42.960 take a break and when we come back, we're gonna 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:47.000 talk more ear piercing right and wrong, right and left, 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:49.840 whatever you want to call it. Uh, And it's more 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:59.320 of any Thomas more my mama told me, My mama 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.320 told me. Since the start to Steal tour, we're very 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.439 excited about it. Yeah, I'm not about to bite my tongue. 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.359 We want to sell it out and the dates are 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.320 coming up fast, and so if you live in one 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.679 of these areas, we want you to buy your tickets now. 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:18.359 It's all available on our instagrams, on our websites, on 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.800 our link tree. But October seventeenth, we're in La in Hollywood. 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:27.679 We'll be in Atlanta on Halloween October thirty. 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