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Speaker 1: with special guests, with just me and David. Depending on

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Speaker 1: and greets. You've been Chris Brown as.

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Speaker 2: A good meet and greed. Bro.

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Speaker 3: Let's be clear, I'll take a weird picture with you

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Speaker 3: for free.

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Speaker 4: You don't gotta be cool with me, Vinnie, A fellow

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Speaker 4: jin Alpha, myself, me and my friend David, we also

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Speaker 4: hit that woe with the best of them, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, yeah, goes the fuck amen fellas, And I'm just

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Speaker 5: like you, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: I watched I watched Monk, right, I was like there

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Speaker 6: with you watching watch a lot or.

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Speaker 2: Mon is a great fucking show. Let's let's have out

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Speaker 2: was a great fucking show.

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Speaker 5: I'm not stelling a monk. I love monk.

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Speaker 2: You kids would do well to watch a little monk.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you would n't act that way if you watched

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Speaker 1: a little monk.

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Speaker 2: Chips in your.

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Speaker 7: Nails, A qualms are racist.

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Speaker 1: The money.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, I can't tell me.

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Speaker 1: Gold all in my chain, gold all in my ring,

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Speaker 1: gold all in my watch.

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Speaker 2: Don't believe me. Just watch nigga, nigga, nigga. Don't believe me.

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Speaker 2: Just watch there it is, there it is.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My

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Speaker 1: Mama Told.

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Speaker 2: Me, the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets

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Speaker 2: of black conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: Theories and we finally worked to prove that Lionel Richie

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Speaker 1: was only allowed out of his Commodore's contract if he

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Speaker 1: agreed to adopt a white child.

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Speaker 2: You think they were.

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Speaker 1: Letting that that that brilliant man's money go back to

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Speaker 1: a black baby, to the black community.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. We're making that white money again.

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Speaker 1: It's the only way you're getting out of this Commodore's

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Speaker 1: bullshit is make this some white money. And that's what

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Speaker 1: they did. I'm like Ston Kerman, I'm.

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Speaker 2: David boy, and I've never been more proud to call

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Speaker 2: you my co host. It's Julie. What other explanation is there?

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Speaker 1: Just two black people adopting a white baby and being like, yep,

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Speaker 1: this is what we got going.

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Speaker 2: It's I've only ever even heard of it on your

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Speaker 2: television show south Side. I've never even heard of it,

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Speaker 2: and I know a lot of fucking freaks.

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Speaker 1: It's a bald choice, even for a very rich black

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Speaker 1: man to be like, I'm gonna get a little white

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Here's would you do it? That's I think how

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Speaker 2: we need to open this. Would you guys do that? Wow,

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Speaker 2: that's a tough question. Would I adopt a white child?

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Speaker 5: I would adopt the right kind of white child I

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Speaker 1: I think Greek sounds nice, a little a little stoppy

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Speaker 2: That seems nice. But if you get an Eastern European

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Speaker 2: he could still bam, oh at you a Luca.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know the prices of babies racially, but

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Speaker 1: They seem like there's no mark up. You just hit

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Speaker 5: I think you're play a dangerous game. I think you

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Speaker 2: Because that's the worry. That's man, right, two minutes in

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Speaker 1: They're calling you Papa, and they're biting your neck, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah I got you, but now I got a vampire

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Speaker 1: You can weaponize this vampire. You can make them into

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm saying that he will have a love

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Speaker 2: When are you going to be in need of a vampire?

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Speaker 2: Broy eyes coming around? I don't know what's about to happen.

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Speaker 5: Fair, you're imagining kind of a dexter situation where trainer

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Speaker 2: Whoa you suld monster? First of all European, you're putting

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Speaker 2: these labels all my boy. No, we agree on vampire.

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Speaker 5: We agreed on vampire, and.

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Speaker 1: I think that qualifies as monster. I'm here with Vinnie.

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Speaker 1: I don't we should introduce our guests. We haven't even

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Speaker 1: prices of white babies and vampires. But but our guest

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Speaker 1: today is so funny. We're both big fans of his.

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Speaker 1: He's a comedian, he's an actor, he's a writer, and

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Speaker 1: you can see him currently on on Platonic on Apple

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Speaker 1: TV plus. Give it up for the hilarious Vinnie Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Everybody that was more ominous than it felt.

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Speaker 5: It was just they told me to expect sounds, and

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Speaker 2: That's the hard part.

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Speaker 1: It happens at any time, and there's no real way

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Speaker 1: I think in my childhood that I almost think I

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Speaker 2: If your right ear is pierced, that means you're gay. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: True, that's all true. Everything you said is true. I

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Speaker 5: a little bit, right, But there's always that thing in

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Speaker 5: the back of your head is like which year is

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Speaker 5: I could not remember which is which, so.

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Speaker 1: Which when maybe is the gayest thing you can do,

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Speaker 5: For yeah, one thing about gay people is we have

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Speaker 5: Ambiesia was gay? Oh my god? Yeah, dorry from finding Nemo,

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Speaker 2: So my question is first, because I know we all

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Speaker 1: I'll let you answer that first, because I do have

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I believed it, but I still

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Speaker 5: but you do trust that other people will believe it,

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Speaker 5: perhaps people who are bigger and stronger than you. And

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Speaker 5: I think that alone is stilled the kind of belief

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Speaker 2: I feel almost exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: I didn't believe it for a second, but I was like,

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Speaker 1: all these niggas do, so who am I? Who am

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Speaker 1: I to jet against their own research? Yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make sure I get the correct one, Pierce, so that

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Speaker 5: Yeah are It's not the smart who inherit the earth.

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Speaker 5: It's the brutal and stupid, and they make the decisions.

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Speaker 2: Bory did you believe it when you were a young lad.

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Speaker 2: I think I believed it in the way that I

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Speaker 5: I will say I I was not out in school

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Speaker 5: don't know what about piercings and tattoos and still kind

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Speaker 1: Oh you know, you don't mean disgusting in like a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it truly. It produces a sound in them that

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Speaker 5: No, but my mom My mom is white, but Italian white,

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Speaker 1: You me, bro brother, we both the piercing.

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Speaker 2: I did it.

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Speaker 1: I guess I, in theory chose correctly for myself. But

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Speaker 5: Yeah, here's the thing. When I went to get a pierce,

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean. That's insane.

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Speaker 1: That's genuinely insane for y'all not to like call it

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Speaker 2: And just be like, I'll do one, you do the other.

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Speaker 2: Good luck. My nigga is crazy.

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Speaker 5: One of us was gonna be right. You understand, one

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Speaker 2: That's beautiful kind.

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Speaker 1: Of That's the closest thing to homophobic Russian roulette I've

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Speaker 5: And as a direct result on gay and that is

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Speaker 5: Let you let a teenager stab through your ear and Claire's.

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Speaker 2: Be who you want to be. Pierce whatever ear you

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Speaker 5: No, absolutely not. Sometimes. I mean I had an older brother,

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Speaker 5: sure you flip the coin the right way. Dangerous game.

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Speaker 1: You could have just researched.

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Speaker 5: With someone else and you each have to get one.

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Speaker 5: That's the way it works research. There's there's no way

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Speaker 7: Nah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't have anyone who was actively like fighting

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Speaker 5: it's since started to trail off because now I feel

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Speaker 2: So my little brother wears two dangling earrings. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The stress I would have had wearing this colored shirt

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Speaker 2: Before Cameron Freda's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would fusia my nigga. Do you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm walking into with this? I don't have the strength.

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Speaker 1: Better be a goddamn school color.

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Speaker 5: We better be fighting fusion tigers or I'll absolutely You know.

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Speaker 2: What's funny to me about this conspiracy is like what

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Speaker 2: Like it was it was supposed to be a secret signal.

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Speaker 2: What a terrible signal? What I think You don't think

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Speaker 2: it's a great signal. No, we It's like if you're

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Speaker 2: he's good. Like it's not, you know.

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Speaker 7: What I mean.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Here's why I thought it was a better idea. Maybe

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Speaker 5: I feel like this has to have come from gay

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Speaker 5: They had they had a language, they had secret little signals,

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Speaker 5: and it was you know, it was gay years it

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Speaker 5: you guys aren't hidden at all, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, grinder used to be. You just got to break

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Speaker 2: Uh, it is interesting you said the hanky code, because

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Speaker 2: I remember when I first moved to San Francisco that

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Speaker 2: was like the color and the placement said what you

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Speaker 2: people who also used it, like they really co opted that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, some people with the hanky code. I don't think

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Speaker 5: you need a hanky for like missionary and eye contact,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do something nasty with this? What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Did I I'm curious to know how much you felt

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Speaker 1: like something like this slowed your ability to finding your

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't think the the ear piercing. I

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Speaker 5: an eventuality that I was going to get my ear pierced,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Ultimately, I do think it

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Speaker 5: not necessarily the thing itself. I think it was more

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Speaker 5: afraid of having a hole punched in me, which on

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Speaker 5: the face of it, is a completely ridiculous thing to

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Speaker 5: do for what so you can stick something in there?

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Speaker 5: It doesn't even make any sense, do you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean? Human behavior is just kind of odd to

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Speaker 5: begin with. Yeah, I think it was more scared of

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Speaker 5: guy with his ears pierced. And no, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nice. There's something nice that it did. Nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is because you fear that like this is

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Speaker 1: if if a bunch of the deeply rooted homophobia from

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Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties did not break anyone's brains, I

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Speaker 1: take solace in that. That makes me feel warm inside.

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Speaker 5: Oh damn, Come on, sir.

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Speaker 1: All right, don't want to be ampho again to protect

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Speaker 2: Back it on up to our conversation about ear piercings.

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Speaker 2: Left right, gay, straight, who knows? Who cares? Who knows?

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Speaker 2: Who cares? That?

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Speaker 1: So your parents are disgusted by it? What was their

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Speaker 5: First of all, I just like to acknowledge David's left right,

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Speaker 1: But with a shitty voice, and we'll buy in.

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Speaker 5: Then I'll listen to God. I think they've they've they've

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Speaker 5: now and then my brother or I would float the

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Speaker 5: my mom would be like, why would you Why would

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Speaker 5: you do that? Why would you mar your skin? And

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Speaker 5: since then my brother's got like he has a giant

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Speaker 5: which I think they use for like babies or something.

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Speaker 5: That's the smallest beer thing in the world. I have

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Speaker 5: one of those hearts that you give like like you

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Speaker 5: give a baby a year after it's born.

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Speaker 1: You like, yeah, we don't know who you are yet,

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Speaker 1: so here's something to remind us that you're alive a.

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Speaker 5: Little place older. Now they've chilled out, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think they're cool enough with it now. I think

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Speaker 5: if I asked my mom she would she would definitely

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Speaker 5: prefer it. I didn't get it, But what do I

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Speaker 2: Let's go Bory. Do your parents give a ship? Does

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Speaker 2: your mom? Is she an advocate? Is she anti? Where

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Speaker 2: is she? Oh? No shed at all, which is funny

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Speaker 2: made no difference. I don't know what I was worried about.

441
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: As far as her judgment would have made because you

442
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: wanted to do it, or.

443
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: There's like there's other fashion things I could have done

444
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: that she would have been a lot more upset about

445
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: than the.

446
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 5: Gay Year, Like what kind of stuff.

447
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, just like going out being ashy.

448
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: She hates that. It's just that's not really, that's not

449
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: really it was. It's not like she rather to be

450
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: well presented, classic fashion taboo. Being ashy is what she'd

451
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: be upset about.

452
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 5: Not you know, sometimes I'll go to the beach and

453
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 5: I'm just ashy on the right side, to let them know.

454
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: The right.

455
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: That means I want to have sex in the water.

456
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an adepted hanky coat. Really, Yeah, as.

457
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 5: On the right with a gray hanky also on the

458
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 5: white side. I feel like there are worse things I

459
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 5: could have done, Like I think an earring is so tame.

460
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 5: I feel like it's a kind of surgical invention, and

461
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 5: on the scale of surgical invention, like I could have

462
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 5: gotten those insane lip fillers that make it so your

463
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 5: upper lip can't move, you know what I mean? Right?

464
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 5: Or like, what are people doing now getting their bucle

465
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 5: fat remove and they look like corpses? I could have

466
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 5: done that.

467
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: You know it's your buckle.

468
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, the bukle fat fellas fellas your bule fat yeaes

469
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 5: right here on your cheeks and people are getting it

470
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 5: sucked out so they look like whoa.

471
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just handsome squid word all the time.

472
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, handsome squidword face. You get it sucked right out.

473
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 5: I don't know where they put it.

474
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: Whoa, it's none of that.

475
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: No, that's nobody, none of my business.

476
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: Where they put it, that's hippo.

477
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: You don't violate that. Now you take it out, we

478
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: talk about it. But if you where you put it,

479
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: that's hipp what but yeah to all that, my mom

480
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: would be much more angry about that. What about you?

481
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: Uh no, My mom literally took me to go get

482
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: uh oh, my piercing. My mom consented for me to

483
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: get a tattoo when I was sixteen, which was a

484
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: massive mistake like and remains stupid on my arm to

485
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: this day.

486
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 5: Tattoo, what does it say? Like hustle hustle.

487
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: Okay, you want to hear how bad of a choice

488
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: I made. I've never told this story before.

489
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 5: This is this Kelly Kelly.

490
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: It is. It's a big old picture of R.

491
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: Kelly and it says, no matter what he does, I'm

492
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: a fan. Uh No, it's so. My first tattoo. I

493
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: used to do performance poetry, and I for at sixteen

494
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: years old, was playing with the idea of going by

495
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: the stage name language Arts. You know, Langston Langston becomes

496
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: Language Arts, I swear to God and I I then

497
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: went to arguably the most amateur tattoo artist in all

498
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: of my community, and I took my step father, my

499
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: then stepfather's drawing of a microphone that then the microphone

500
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: chord turned into writing that said, you guessed it language

501
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: And I took it to that amateur artist and I said,

502
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: put this as big as you can on my on

503
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: my right arm, please, And boy did he.

504
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 5: I did.

505
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: Devil's Advocate. You can get behind that, bro, I assure

506
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: you you can't. It wasn't done well enough. It didn't

507
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: look cool, you know what I mean?

508
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: Like all of it was a mistake in every way,

509
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: shape or form.

510
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: You gotta go to the right places you gotta find

511
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 5: and grow sees that and she's like, you know, I

512
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 5: could speak a language that's enough.

513
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: I truly had a bunch of God hearing women around

514
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: me who were like, you, you should not have done this, sir.

515
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: This is not gonna make us fuck you at all.

516
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 5: God language sounds like a woman at church telling you

517
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: not to swear. It just it sounds like a warning.

518
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: It was like.

519
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: It was I really thought I was doing something, you

520
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I really thought I was

521
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: Like no, I.

522
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: Thought, process though, is the thing I see where? It

523
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: like if it was just a little too far over here,

524
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: if it was just a little back, it would have

525
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: been the coolest shit ever.

526
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 5: But when I was a kid, when I was in

527
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 5: high school, I saved up enough money to get a

528
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 5: class ring and I wanted to get the word kraavi

529
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 5: written on the side, which is like Latin for I create.

530
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 5: But I get the ring. The letters are so close

531
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 5: together it looks like cream. I said. So I saved

532
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 5: up all his money to get this ring and it

533
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: looks like it says cream, and I couldn't wear it.

534
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 5: The first thing, my friend said, friend Gustava, he looks

535
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 5: at it. He goes, what does cream mean?

536
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: What the fuck are you talking about?

537
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 5: Talking about?

538
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: This is Latin. I create. I'm an artist.

539
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: She's like, Nah, that's cream, dog, that's cream. This cream

540
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: get the money because if not, you're weird as fun.

541
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, Cream King of Eastern Colorado.

542
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: Was damn the cream King. We got to add that

543
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: to your intro over.

544
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: He's locally known as the cream King of East Colorado.

545
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: I did a little bit of research Cream King that

546
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to go over with you. Phil reied to

547
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: agree with the disagree with it. Truly, none of this

548
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: means anything. But one of the things that there was

549
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: a quote that I guess I had never heard the

550
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: official quote, but I guess the official slogan for this

551
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: was left is right and right is wrong. I don't

552
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: know if y'all ever heard it phrase so sort of

553
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: eighty succinctly, but that was sort of the phrase I

554
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: guess that circulated around this theory.

555
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 5: Wait, can I ask did you read did you read

556
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 5: the same Queerity article where there's like, there's a guy

557
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 5: on a bench holding a rainbow flag and his faces

558
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 5: collapsed into his hands. Because I looked up just as

559
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 5: a preliminary thing. I was like, you know, and the

560
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 5: quarity popped up. One of the first pictures is this

561
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 5: guy holding a little rainbow flag in his hand. He's

562
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 5: sitting on a bus bench like this, and it's one

563
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 5: of the funniest things.

564
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: I say, I did not.

565
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: See that, but boy, do I want to please send

566
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: it to us, because my God, does that What a

567
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: silly thing to be, like, we're gonna show a gay person,

568
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 1: but they're not having fun with it at all.

569
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 5: What's the point?

570
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: The left is right and right is wrong was supposedly

571
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: the the slogan that was circulating, and the theory took

572
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: the rise took its rise in the eighties and early nineties.

573
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: Which is sort of odd.

574
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: A more recent study shows that a list, a company

575
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: that sort of tracks online shopping behavior, says that men

576
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: getting ear rings rose by one hundred and forty seven

577
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: percent from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. So

578
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: we're being a massive uptick compared to what I guess

579
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 1: generally generationally it used to be.

580
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 5: Did y'all ever hear that it might have started in prison?

581
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 5: I feel like everything where it was like mighty gay

582
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 5: was like, oh, someone would make up a myth where

583
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 5: it started, Like when people would sack their pants. They're like,

584
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 5: you know what that means, he's sexually receptive.

585
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: I don't.

586
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 5: I don't even you know if that's true at all.

587
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 5: I think maybe you just made that up.

588
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's just a deep, deep fear that

589
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: you're associating with another deep deep fear. You're like, I

590
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: don't want to go to jail, and I gotta find

591
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: ways of making it so that everything could send me

592
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: to jail or make me jail gay whatever.

593
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

594
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: I also it's kind of weird to me that the

595
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 5: right side is the wrong side in this context because

596
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 5: this I feel like the left side is traditionally that's

597
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 5: the bad side, right, Like I didn't go to Catholic school,

598
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 5: but didn't People in Catholic school used to get their

599
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 5: left and beaten if they use the left hand, because

600
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 5: that's that's the Devil's quadrant? Is the left part of

601
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 5: your body?

602
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 2: As a lifelong leftie, yes, ah no, that doesn't make sense.

603
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm left handed. Yeah, I didn't know that. They

604
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: tried to teach me how to write right. Oh, they

605
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: like really tried to fix you. Yeah yeah, yeah, mama,

606
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: my mam had to come in and be like, you're

607
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: a stupid person. My genius baby boy is left handy,

608
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: he's gifted, he's brilliant. I think they were just really,

609
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: really well, They were really willing to crash out on

610
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: the idea of like, I don't know, man, he's eating glue,

611
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: he's trying to write with his left hand. We got

612
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 2: to get him out of here. I got you.

613
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: It was that you were writing brilliant sonnets with your

614
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: left hand. You were being I was also throwing a

615
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: lot of rocks. Yeah, lady, we got problems.

616
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: Here's a list.

617
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: And your mom was like, well, he could be left handed,

618
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: he could be left handed.

619
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: Alone about that.

620
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 5: Left hand contains multitude violence on those five fingers.

621
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think this massive uptick sort of speaks

622
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: to what you were talking about before, Vinnie of a

623
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: different generation, right, Like even when I was a kid,

624
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: I got my I got my left ear, Piers, but

625
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: I also knew better quote unquote better than to get

626
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: both ears, Piers. I think that was also considered like

627
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: gay when I was a kid, to some extent, and.

628
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: There was a weird crossover period. Yeah, I remember that too.

629
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: There was a weird crossover period where it was like,

630
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: because it feels like we're a little how old are.

631
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 5: You, Vinnie twenty eight?

632
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we can relate. Uh no, the same same.

633
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: Hey man, hey man, I love blue Eto. All right, listen,

634
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: there was a.

635
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: Weird dad, the mom. They're all great.

636
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 5: You know their names.

637
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't know their names.

638
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 5: That's crazy.

639
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: I do want to say though, that to that point,

640
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: I do remember being really really young and having an

641
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: earring being kind of more of a statement, and then

642
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: being having an earring being normalized, but having two being weird,

643
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: and then that transition because it was like you have

644
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 2: to be real fly to pull that shit off at first.

645
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: Two earrings.

646
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 5: Pluctuations of culture so fascinating because at one point, like

647
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 5: it was the high femme like princes, you know, performers

648
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 5: of the world that like they were, you know, allegedly

649
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 5: the kind of the sexual icons for what a man

650
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 5: would look, you know what I mean, Like they were

651
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 5: super famous. Yeah, and you know, quote unquote straight, but

652
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 5: they all had like earrings, you know what I mean,

653
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 5: both ears whatever, they were done the fuck up.

654
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: One of Prince's album covers is him butt naked sitting

655
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: like an angel. You know what I mean, on top

656
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: of clouds and covering his chest and penis, and he

657
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: got so much pussy from that. He got an insane

658
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: amount of pussy off of that.

659
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: And that doesn't make sense. They really let a wolf

660
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: from the henhouse on that one. But he's such a

661
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: cute wolf.

662
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 5: Well, the fact you went up from fox to wolf

663
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 5: and he says everything.

664
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: I think he would describe himself the same way.

665
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: To your point about sort of like the generational changes.

666
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: One of the things that I researched or read is

667
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: it talks about how for thousands of years more than

668
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: just like since the eighties, for literally thousands of years,

669
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: it was more popular or at least as popular for

670
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: men to be wearing jewelry as their female counterparts. That

671
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: for royalty especially, they would put on lots of jewelry,

672
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: lots of they would have ear rings, they would wear

673
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: high heels were originally developed for men to be able

674
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: to look taller.

675
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

676
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 5: At some point you have to wear a lot of

677
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 5: jewelry to distract from the inbreeding qualities of your face. Sure,

678
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 5: it's the Habsburgs would have to put on sapphires on

679
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 5: their ears so you didn't see what was going on

680
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 5: between the Sapphires.

681
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: I got this big ass change, so you don't see

682
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: my big ass chin.

683
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 5: In the sun. So the Gli distracts.

684
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: By Fuck today, I really look like my parents are cousins.

685
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: I need some ears something, because fuck I look crazy.

686
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: It also does feel very if you just think about

687
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: it on the whole, it feels very American and very Christian.

688
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: The idea of not allowing that to men. Yeah, you

689
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean, It feels very puritanical, very like

690
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: I don't even think of it. I don't see why

691
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: it would be particularly feminine even, you know what I mean.

692
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: I think it's a part of men. It's a part

693
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 5: of men are Dirty culture, do you know what I mean?

694
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 5: Where it's like if a man isn't disgusting, he's not

695
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 5: a man. I think it's an extension of that where

696
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 5: it's like if you're not you know, bruised, filthy, and

697
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: you know you don't care at all, which you look like,

698
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 5: then you are actually a lady.

699
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: H Yeah, which which I think. I don't think people

700
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: whose whole sense of humor still revolves around that.

701
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of stand up comics.

702
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Brother, I think if we if we can pull this

703
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: out a little bit to almost a bird's eye view,

704
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: it does seem like a lot of this sort of

705
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: like damage that we're doing to each other comes from

706
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: at least some version of like a monarchy to a

707
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: the crossover of monarchy and capitalist societies, right where like

708
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: the wealthy can do whatever the fuck they want, but

709
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: we have to find ways to keep poor people sort

710
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: of locked in their poverty. And so you make these

711
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: weird associations where you look dusty on purpose just to

712
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: be able to prove your value in society.

713
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 5: And a really interesting correlation to that is that kind

714
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 5: of the uber rich pop stars nigga wear whatever they want,

715
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, bracelets, it truly doesn't matter.

716
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 5: But at that same time, the people, the normal people,

717
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 5: the proletariat, if you will, oh, could not wear your flexibility?

718
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is.

719
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: You have to remain malleable when you do not have

720
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: the resources to survive completely off of your own you

721
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, You just weigh up and you

722
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: get to eat, so you gotta you gotta stay fucking flexible.

723
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: You can't afford to show up with signals that sort

724
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: of make people question your value here.

725
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: I think we did it well. I got a few

726
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: more things I want to run past you guys.

727
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: One of the things that that also came up in

728
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: all of this is that and David, you sort of

729
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: spoke to the americanness of this. It turns out in

730
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: Russia it's the exact opposite that. In Russia it's the

731
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: right ear that you get pierced if you want to

732
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: signal to people that you like fuck bitches and not

733
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: uh and not fuck around with dudes. It's like a

734
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: warning signal in Russia to that like, hey.

735
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: This guy's gonna get some pussy watch out.

736
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: Don't know that, Hey watch out, fellas, it's a pussy

737
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: hound here. But more warning to gay men being like

738
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: hey no, no, no, not over here.

739
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: With that kind of that, that's even funnier because that

740
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: feels even more so. Let me just make sure they know.

741
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: I mean, they could look at me, I'm dirty as hell.

742
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 5: But I feel like when it goes that far, it

743
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 5: goes from you better not to you better not like

744
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 5: big point. At some point it becomes you want them

745
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 5: to interact with you. You know, you're begging for them

746
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: to have some sort of confidence. He's like I hope

747
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 5: we don't have to wrestle, you know, like you just

748
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 5: waiting for a confrontation the ladies.

749
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 8: Guys in here, I don't bet if there's one in here,

750
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 8: better not it's all oiled up.

751
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: And find a ship. Realizing here, I'm gonna be mad.

752
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 5: I'm gonna grab that neck.

753
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: Must record if they also talk about it.

754
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: In one of the articles I read that that China

755
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: similarly associated the right with heterosexuality rather than homosexuality, but

756
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: has since banned ear piercings completely.

757
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: They were, like, I think.

758
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: Probably suffering the same thing you were suffering with your friends,

759
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: Like we.

760
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: Don't know which is which.

761
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: None of y'all motherfuckers get to do it now, was it?

762
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: We can't get on the same page. I'm taking it

763
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 2: from everybody.

764
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 5: Maybe that would have been a better policy. I don't know,

765
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 5: because if they if they did opposite ears for each

766
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 5: like as soon as a baby boy is born, they

767
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 5: do right or left, right or left, they end up

768
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 5: with a fifty to fifty gay population, and that's ultimately

769
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 5: not gonna work out in the long run.

770
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: Can't do that.

771
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: We already got too many, too many girls as it is.

772
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: We we we got problems. We can't focus on this.

773
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: No more ear piercings. All right, we need to take

774
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: one more break. But when we come back, I have

775
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 1: a little bit more research. I want to run past

776
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: you guys that I think is going to illuminate this

777
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,759
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786
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787
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789
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790
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Speaker 1: just me and David. Depending on the city, It'll be

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Speaker 1: a great time.

795
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: All that meet and greets. You think Chris Brown has

796
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: a good meet and gree bro, let's be clear.

797
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 3: I'll take a weird picture with you for free.

798
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 5: Pot my butt, pop, pop my butt, Pot my butt, pop,

799
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 5: pot my butt.

800
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: Do you know what pot my butt meant to Harriet Tubman?

801
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 5: Do you know what that meant?

802
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: It meant a whip and we are back whipping y'all

803
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: into shape on.

804
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 5: This Pop my butt, Pop pop my butt.

805
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: It's just very funny that she made her read her

806
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: own lyrics, you know what I mean?

807
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: Like, it's awesome.

808
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 5: You gonna watch that video. It's her mirthless grin. It's like,

809
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 5: but hop mine butt.

810
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: But like, why do you have to read your own lyrics?

811
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: You're lyrics, baby girl? Just say I'm out loud, Yeah.

812
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: And honestly own it. Wrap that ship. You should have

813
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: wrapped that ship. Yeah, you should have. You should have

814
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: acted get it? Who did it? Yeah?

815
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, Fix my life.

816
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: Fix my life. One of the one of the the

817
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: white whales of our podcast. If we ever get her, well, no,

818
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: we finally did everything we needed to do here.

819
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 5: I think if she actually wrapped pop my butt, Yamla

820
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 5: would have fired a gun into the air. Just the

821
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 5: reaction to that would have been explosive, you know.

822
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: To gone super saying too just lost their.

823
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a few more things I want to tell

824
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: you about this, uh, this apparent conspiracy theory. One of

825
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: the other pieces that came up was this question of signaling.

826
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Signaling you mentioned David is sort of a way of

827
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: I guess, showing to other people. It doesn't always have

828
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: to be gay people, though I think the term is

829
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: rooted in sort of gay culture, showing other people markings

830
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: or or indications that we belong to the same community.

831
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: This specific signal, I think, also gets dropped into something

832
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: called hair pinning, which I guess is or dropping a hairpin,

833
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: which is essentially the same quality of signaling, specifically as

834
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: it relates to the airring.

835
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 5: I guess you would drop a hairpin.

836
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's that dropping a hairpin And so

837
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: let me get graze to yeah, to like show a

838
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: signal without having to get caught kind of thing.

839
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 5: See, this is what I was talking about. There was

840
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 5: so much subtlety and signaling. At some point it must

841
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 5: have been exhausted because you would have had to speak

842
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 5: a whole different language, like in the in the seventies

843
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 5: sixties to let people know. My god, just write your

844
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 5: name on a bathroom stall, you know, and be like

845
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 5: at three pm, I'm.

846
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: So glad you said it. I was thinking it. I

847
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: was like, that seems like of all these things, that

848
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: seems like the most reasonable way to do it.

849
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, name number. Go to a bookstore. Go to a

850
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 5: bookstore and just stand in the corner reading a stupid

851
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 5: book and people know you're not reading You know what, I.

852
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: Meant to get a nut.

853
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: This Garfield book ain't that long?

854
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: You ain't reading that? What are you doing here?

855
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 5: Come on, mondays that much? No one has mondays like that.

856
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 5: Put that buck down.

857
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: Mondays. You don't have a job, you lasagna eating bitch.

858
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I did always. I did always take an

859
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: issue with that. I never understood what.

860
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: Was the the the these days mean nothing to you. Garfield.

861
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 5: He had a job. Garfield worked for the d O J.

862
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 5: Garfield worked in the department of justice. He tap phones,

863
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 5: she broke into houses, he arrested people. Uh, kind of

864
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 5: a badass for problematic life. I think at the end

865
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 5: of the day, damn damn Odi did Odie was unemployed

866
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 5: because he got kicked in the.

867
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: Head by a horse.

868
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: Odi was unemployed and he was collecting the check, but

869
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: he he wasn't making it. One of the things that

870
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 1: they said was made complicated for this signaling, right because

871
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: it originally originally sort of becomes popular in the eighties

872
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: and nineties. But the reason they claim at least that

873
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: these signals started to become problematic is because it gets

874
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: weaponized by pop culture to some extent.

875
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: Right.

876
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: There's actually an article from nineteen ninety one in the

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Speaker 1: New York Times, no less, an article entitled Piercing Fad

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Speaker 1: turns convention on its ear that basically exposes in a

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Speaker 1: formal way, which obviously it had probably been speculated on

880
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: for a long time, but sort of exposes in a

881
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Speaker 1: formal way that the right ear is the quote unquote

882
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Speaker 1: wrong ear, or the gay ear, and that then makes

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Speaker 1: it a societal conversation and not just this sort of

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Speaker 1: communal one between gay men.

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Speaker 5: This was this happened in the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Right, this article is nineteen ninety one. But the trend

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Speaker 1: I think begins in the eighties.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what it was. I think there was

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Speaker 5: a lot of there was a lot of witch hunt ism,

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00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 5: the cultural witch hunt stuff in the eighties. Like remember

891
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Speaker 5: what they were telling everyone that dungeons and dragons was

892
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Speaker 5: like demonic. You know, there was just a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of there was major satanic panic as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, panic, Yeah, And uh, I think it's part of it.

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Speaker 5: I think that's kind of an extension of it. But

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Speaker 5: also I think as gay people kind of moved into

897
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Speaker 5: just kind of society, mainstream society as a whole, a

898
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Speaker 5: lot of the stuff that was traditionally gay became popular,

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Speaker 5: and so it started to hell, yeah George Michael and the.

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Speaker 2: Rest about the other guy and nobody he doesn't even

901
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Speaker 2: have name, No he doesn't.

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Speaker 5: That's wham.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think that. I think that definitely that.

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Speaker 2: I think also it's just a very conservative time, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: in general in our country's history, and I think that

906
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Speaker 2: leads to to a fear around these things.

907
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're in the middle of Nancy Reagan telling

908
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Speaker 1: us not to fuck, not to do drugs, not to

909
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Speaker 1: to do and she is meanwhile, secretly, secretly she who

910
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Speaker 1: we want to be doing drugs and fucking with you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Nancy should have been like, don't

912
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Speaker 1: fucking do drugs unless you're trying to get the best.

913
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Speaker 2: And that's me. Uh, that's say.

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Speaker 5: Regan to like, tore down that wall.

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Speaker 2: We miss you, Nancy. That said, I do think you're

916
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Speaker 2: right that it's court for job.

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Speaker 1: In that bit is it's still Ronald Reagan telling him

918
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: to do it to his wife. That's great job tear

919
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: down Nancy, just busting it open for freedom.

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00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: For freedom. That's good because I don't think I could

921
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: not if I was president. What the stress? The job

922
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: would way too heavy. I don't think I would get

923
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Speaker 2: a lot of directions as the president of the United States.

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00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: Oh you think you It would really give you a

925
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Speaker 1: wrect out dysfunction to be president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: I've always felt like that jobs not as hard as

927
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Speaker 1: they pretend like it is.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm tripping, maybe I'm yeah, and I think I

929
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Speaker 2: guess I've always thought they were all that, so it's

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Speaker 2: not that stressful of a job.

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Speaker 5: Me and David are different. We think every president is

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Speaker 5: a hero.

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Speaker 2: We have hope. We're not like future alarmist. We believe

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Speaker 2: in the good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just thought they were all monsters. I was like,

936
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: there's no way these monsters are waking up stressed every day.

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Speaker 1: They're probably I mean, consider the aging effect of it all.

938
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Speaker 1: I think what's stressful about it is the the the pace,

939
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Speaker 1: not the work itself.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

941
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: Like you have to be a bunch of places and

942
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: you have to stay up late, but I think you're

943
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: kicking it most of the time. It's like business school,

944
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like those people drink all

945
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: the time. They just happened to be doing fucking school

946
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Speaker 1: at the at the exact moment that they're doing it.

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Speaker 5: Could you imagine being the one that got stuck in

948
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 5: a bathtub tagging about that all the time. That would

949
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 5: be so milliated. If I was tapped, I would be

950
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 5: able to show again, that's just great.

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Speaker 2: President.

952
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 5: They had to get tools to get you out. Are you.

953
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: And I'm still gonna raise taxes?

954
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Speaker 1: You know it's crazy. I just assumed they asked him

955
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Speaker 1: to leave after that.

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Speaker 7: I never really yes, yes, because how are you? How

957
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 7: are you good about a man? How are you good

958
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 7: about a man he got himself stuck in about them?

959
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 7: How's he gonna make a law?

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00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like, I just assume they were like, uh, mister Taff

962
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: will obviously get you out, but but you're gonna have

963
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you twenty five minutes to pass it

964
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Speaker 1: up and say your eyes to the stadt.

965
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 5: The doors.

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00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, the oval office that's closed for the afternoon, and

967
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: you'll you'll find the door is locked tomorrow morning.

968
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 5: And to drag him out, like, no, you.

969
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 2: Finished the thought? You finished, God damn thought over here.

970
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 5: Diary of a Mad Black Woman, but it's half being

971
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 5: dragged out the oval.

972
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: And then pushed down the steps in a wheelchair.

973
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they like, stop making those bubbles while he's

974
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Speaker 5: in the tub.

975
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Speaker 1: All right, now, I think we did it. I think

976
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: this morning we did it.

977
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: This was this was great.

978
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: It sounds like we're all in agreement that the signaling

979
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: was probably necessary at a point, but certainly absurd for

980
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: us as children to buy into. But what are you

981
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: gonna do when you're raised in a toxic culture that

982
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: refuses to look at itself?

983
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: I concur Yeah, all right, Vinnie, do you want to

984
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: tell the people where they can find you.

985
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 7: Who sees d.

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00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: You UGGI. That was just the funniest possible time to

987
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: do it.

988
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: It was great, And I want to believe you were

989
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: looking for the entire hour that we spoke.

990
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: No no I, I had a queue up. I was

991
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: just like, where do we uh? I wanted to get

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Speaker 2: away from me. That's perfect.

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Speaker 5: You can find me at v I n N underscore

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, follow Vinnie and and watch Platonic on Apple

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Speaker 1: TV plus.

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Speaker 2: Vinnie's great. This was so fun. Tell the people where

999
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Speaker 2: they can find you. Cool guy. Joke City seven on

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Speaker 2: Start to steal. Wayne Brady said it's the funnest tour

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Speaker 2: he's ever been on. He said, funnest. Yeah, that's how

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Speaker 2: Wayne Brady talks, and that's how then it improvised a

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Speaker 2: song on the spot.

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