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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. Is day four of NFL free agency, and

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Speaker 1: we've got a big headline with a quarterback possibly going

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Speaker 1: up north, plus some running back news for you. So

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Speaker 1: Andrew Ericson and I are here to break it all down.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to the channel hang with us here at Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Pros for all the latest breaking reactions in the world

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Speaker 1: of fantasy to all of the free agents changing teams. Andrew,

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Speaker 1: let's start with the fact that Kyler Murray visited Minnesota

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Speaker 1: and is talking to the Minnesota Viking, so we can't

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Speaker 1: really speak to it other than to speculate right now.

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Speaker 1: He's also supposed to be on a zoom call I

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Speaker 1: guess at some point with three to five other teams virtually,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see how that goes. But let's just talk

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Speaker 1: about the Viking situation with Kyler Murray again. It is

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Speaker 1: no contract as of us recording this right now late

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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. If that should break, of course we'll be

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Speaker 1: getting to the ramifications of it. But just to speculate,

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Speaker 1: We've had Kirk Cousins show up there before, We've had

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold show up before, I'm confident that if it's

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Speaker 1: a one year deal for Kyler Murray or to show

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Speaker 1: out that he's in the best situation he could possibly

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Speaker 1: be in terms of being in the hands of Kevin

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Speaker 1: O'Connell and being with Justin Jefferson. What are your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on Kyler Murray potentially being in Minnesota, Viking.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great landing spot. I think it's

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Speaker 2: the best place that he could go to kind of

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Speaker 2: resurrect his career after the fallout with Arizona Cardinals. Look

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Speaker 2: with Kevin O'Connell, I think something that maybe we didn't

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Speaker 2: consider enough last year was all the magic that he

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Speaker 2: had with these quarterbacks, these retread quarterbacks. They were veterans,

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Speaker 2: they were players that had spent a lot of time

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Speaker 2: the NFL, had gotten a lot of reps. And that's

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Speaker 2: the one thing that Jaj McCarthy has not had. He

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Speaker 2: didn't throw the ball a lot at Michigan. He missed

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Speaker 2: his entire rookie season with an injury, and now he's

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Speaker 2: only played ten games through two seasons. So I think

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Speaker 2: that really hindered his development and really it didn't allow

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Speaker 2: the Kevin O'Connell effect to really come into play with McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: whereas with Kyler Murray, well, he is a veteran quarterback.

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Speaker 2: He's played a lot of football, and he's playing in

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Speaker 2: the Dome. He has, like your point, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, TJ. Howkinson,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Jones, Jordan Mason are coming back. But this offensive

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Speaker 2: line is healthy. I think my only question mark about

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray is just what is his mobility Like Again,

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Speaker 2: he's coming off a season ending injury as well. He's

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Speaker 2: been banged up a little bit. He hasn't been the

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Speaker 2: most durable quarterback. But besides that, I don't really have

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Speaker 2: that much concerns about him as a passer in this offense.

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Speaker 2: And Joe I can say with confidence that no, it

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Speaker 2: is your job, Caler Murray to get the ball at

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Speaker 2: the Justin.

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Speaker 1: Jefferson, Yes, it's your one job do it. But look,

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Speaker 1: it's a great system. It's sophisticated, but certainly having the

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Speaker 1: talent like Jefferson, having Addison there, I would like to

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Speaker 1: see them continue to build out a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: It's a very good defense. It's a good move for everybody,

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Speaker 1: like you said, to resurrect his career. If Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: can become relevant with the Minnesota Vikings and turn his

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Speaker 1: career around. Certainly Kyler Murray could to former first round pick. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's speculate what the other teams might be for a second.

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Speaker 1: We know it's not the Ravens and the Bengals. Could

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Speaker 1: it be the Browns potential he's talking to. Would you

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Speaker 1: say yes?

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Speaker 2: I imagine he would want to go to Cleve. I

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Speaker 2: mean that seems like the worst spot for him, playing

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Speaker 2: outdoors in the AFC North.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why I say, nor to the Steelers. But

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Speaker 1: all right, so no to the Browns and the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not a lot of other teams out there.

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Speaker 1: The Jets certainly could be one of them. Maybe the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: But I mean after you have Bryce Young go to

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Speaker 2: Probably not the spot for me. Would be would be

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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Rams.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that was where I was going to get to.

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Speaker 1: The Rams were you know, you could kind of hang out.

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Speaker 1: But then you've got to give him a two year contract.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference in terms of investment.

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Speaker 2: Why do I have to give him to your contract?

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Speaker 1: Well, because if you only give him one year and

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford then retires, then all of a sudden you

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Speaker 2: I don't think that the Rams are playing in a

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Speaker 2: want to win the Super Bowl. Now, we want to

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Speaker 2: win this year. So I mean, could Stafford I just

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Speaker 2: convin if I could retire as a head coach, he

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Speaker 2: and then he signs a lucrative deal kind of like

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Speaker 2: what Sam Darnold did. Again, you have one season with

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Speaker 2: another team. So maybe that would be the way that

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Speaker 1: All right, let's switch gears talk about the running backs here.

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Speaker 1: Rashad White signs with the Commanders a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: Rashad White had a very solid fantasy season, but has

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Speaker 1: become more of a guy in committee. Well we'll see

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Speaker 1: how that goes now with the Washington Commanders, which is

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Speaker 1: funny because they let go of a guy like Brian

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Speaker 1: Robinson who was perfectly fine. I think Rashad White's an

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Speaker 1: upgrade over Brian Robinson. I think he's a better all

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Speaker 1: purpose back for sure. So I like this move. Does

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Speaker 1: it prohibit them from taking Jeremiah Love in the first

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Speaker 1: round though, and they're pick number seven? I believe it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they picked number seven, and I would say no.

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Speaker 2: I think the fact that it is a one year

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Speaker 2: because right now they only had JACOI Crosskey Merit on

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Speaker 2: the roster. Because as we'll get into Chris Rodriguez, he

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Speaker 2: left in free agency signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars. So

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Speaker 2: unless they were going to enter the year with just

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Speaker 2: It's a one year deal, so I think that it

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Speaker 2: makes it. Hey, if Love is not there, then he

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Speaker 2: least we have a running back that we can fall

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Speaker 2: draft Jeremiah Love.

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Speaker 1: Bill.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the bend Chim, We'll use Forshod White on

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Speaker 2: the passing downs.

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Speaker 1: If they don't draft Love. How do you value JCM

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Speaker 2: I think that we talked about this when it was

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Speaker 2: Seahawks target. He just offers one thing that is the best,

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Speaker 2: and that's the pass catching. Right, He's caught forty passes

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Speaker 2: all four seasons he's been in the NFL, and I

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Speaker 2: think that the quarterback in Washington was pulling for him,

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Speaker 2: Jane Dangels. These guys played together in college for two seasons,

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Speaker 2: So I think that that matters. Who does he trust

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Speaker 2: from last year who was really inconsistent. Again, we saw

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Speaker 2: Ra Shad White can play on all three downs and

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Speaker 2: last year, he did actually experience a bit of a

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he just totally puts Bill out

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Speaker 2: of fully put away Sean Tucker. Again when Bucky Irving

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Speaker 2: missed time last year, it looked like White would be

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Speaker 2: a fantasy RB one and that was far from the case.

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Speaker 2: Like he was kind of like treading water as a guy.

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Speaker 2: He kind of just started as a flex play. Yea.

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Speaker 2: So those are things to keep in mind. I don't

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Speaker 1: So what the hell are the Seahawks doing right because

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Speaker 1: we thought Rashad White could be a guy. Is it

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Speaker 1: down to Brian Robinson Junior? Or are they telling us that, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to draft a running back with our first pick.

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Speaker 1: I think got the price or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the later reports I think we got

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Speaker 2: think that takes a lot of thinking necessarily, be like, heay,

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Speaker 2: draft a running back. So but if it's just Zach

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Speaker 2: well that rookie running back is going to be heavily

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Speaker 2: it's your guy, Mike Washington.

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Speaker 1: Joe, Well, you know, I ain't gonna hate that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see Mike Wash up there. They're oh

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Speaker 1: my god, Mike Washington, Seattle Washington. It just writes itself.

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Speaker 1: It's so good. I just want to just want that

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Speaker 1: of the guys you mentioned too, Chus Chris Rodriguez you

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Speaker 1: alluded to earlier going to the Jacksonville Jaguars, so two years,

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Speaker 1: ten million for him. So I still say it's vacial

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Speaker 1: tutin wheels up. That's definitely what it feels like. But

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Speaker 1: this is a I think, a good backup running to

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Speaker 1: have to some early down work or you know, give

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Speaker 1: him a little bit of a spell. But it feels

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Speaker 1: like it's time that they want to, you know, turn

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Speaker 1: this backfield over to Toton. Would you agree?

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Speaker 2: I think so. The thing that concerns me about the

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Speaker 2: that is familiar with Liam Cohen. Like Liam Cohen coached

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Speaker 2: Chris Rodriguez at Kentucky in twenty twenty one, right, so

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Speaker 2: he had a very productive season that year. But that

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Speaker 2: more of a hey, this is a guy that coaches like,

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Speaker 2: he runs really physical, but he's not dynamic in any way.

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Speaker 2: And when I look at what the Commanders did, I

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Speaker 2: feel like they just basically replaced Chris Rodriguez with Rashad

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Speaker 2: White in terms of Okay, well, Rashad White can get

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Speaker 2: all the same type of yardage. Again, he was really

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Speaker 2: great in success rate. I mean, Chris Rodriguez. That's the

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Speaker 2: per carry basis. He was eighth in yards after contact

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Speaker 1: And I didn't want to sound like a Homer, I

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