1 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor Joy hard and Bradford, 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or 6 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. While I hope you 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: not meant to be a substitute for a relationship with 10 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much 11 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: for joining me for session four forty seven of the 12 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. We'll get right into our 13 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: conversation after word from our sponsors. Friendships are a lifeline 14 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: for us. Friends keep our secrets, they celebrate our wins, 15 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: and hold us up during the difficult times. So when 16 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: a friendship ends for whatever reason, there's an acute grief 17 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: associated with no longer having this lifeline, and sadly, this 18 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: grief is often misunderstood and minimized. Today, I'm sharing some 19 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: thoughts on why friendship breakups are so difficult to navigate. 20 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: What kind of support you may need to get through one, 21 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: and how you might know if it's time for a 22 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: friendship to end. When we were planning out the episodes 23 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: for this year's January Jumpstar series, we knew we wanted 24 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 1: to include an episode on friendship breakups because there aren't 25 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: enough spaces that talk about ways you change after a 26 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: friendship ends, about the grief you carry, the stories and 27 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: laughs that you feel like no longer have a place 28 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: to live. And so our hope is that this episode 29 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: gives you a place to land, a place where your 30 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: grief can be seen and honored. Let's start by digging 31 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: more into the grief associated with the ending of a friendship. 32 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: And I actually talk about this quite a bit in 33 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: my Book's Sisterhood. Heals the grief associated with something like 34 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: a friendship breakup or the loss of a job. These 35 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: things fall into the category of what we call disenfranchised grief. 36 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: This is grief that is the result of experiences that 37 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: fall outside of what people typically think should be grieved. 38 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: For example, when a loved one dies, there's typically a 39 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: huge outpouring of support. There are rituals that are followed, 40 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 1: people show up with food and other things to comfort you. 41 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: You often get time off from work. There's a very 42 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: clear understanding that this is an upsetting experience and that 43 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: of course you should be tended to gently with this 44 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: enfranchise grief. Those same rituals don't often exist, and so 45 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: it's not uncommon that you will hear people say things like, oh, 46 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: she wasn't a good friend to you anyway, or oh, 47 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: don't worry about it, you have plenty of other friends. Well, 48 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: even if those things are true, it doesn't actually help 49 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: the person who is currently feeling devastated that they no 50 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: longer have the same connection they've once did to somebody 51 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: who's been very important in their lives. So the grief 52 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: related to friendship breakups can be more intense because it's 53 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: not honored in the same ways, and others don't always 54 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: hold space for the sadness and the grief that is 55 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: actually associated with losing a friend. The grief of friendship 56 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: loss is also incredibly painful because we often create entire 57 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: worlds with our friends. They're shared history, they shared language, 58 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: inside jokes, et cetera. Our friends are often our chosen family. 59 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: They extend the ones that were created in our families 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: of origin, and even in some cases replace them. Friendships 61 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: are not placeholders or substitutions for something else. They are 62 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: central and relevant relationships with people who we choose and 63 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: who choose us. So when they end, where do all 64 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: of those memories and stories go? Who else will get 65 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: those jokes? Losing this kind of connection is painful and 66 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: can often lead to a real crisis in belonging, identity, 67 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: and worth. The ending of a friendship also poses challenges 68 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: like what happens with mutual friends? Do you still visit 69 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: the same places that y'all went to together? Do you 70 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: remove any evidence of them from your TikTok? Do you 71 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: have to share this information with your online platforms? In 72 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: terms of mutual friends, I think it's good to have 73 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: a conversation with them about what you'd like to happen 74 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: move forward. If you prefer not to be invited to 75 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: anything with a former friend anymore, or at least for 76 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: the time being, it's okay to say that if you 77 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: prefer they not share updates about you with them, and 78 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: vice versa. It's also okay to say that, and it's 79 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: also okay to expect and acknowledge that your feelings may change. 80 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: How you feel one month after the breakup may be 81 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: completely different than how you feel two years after the breakup, 82 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: and I think it's a good rule of thumb for 83 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: navigating any of these experiences post breakup to choose what 84 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: feels right to you and honors your feelings in that moment, 85 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: and to stay open to the idea that things will 86 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: likely shift. One of the things that often comes up 87 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: in conversation about friendship breakups is how do you know 88 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: when to end things with a friend? And since it's 89 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: the beginning of a new year and you may be 90 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: in the process of evaluating your relationships, let's get into 91 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of that. It would be impossible to 92 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: go through all the scenarios that might result in you 93 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: deciding to end a friendship. Generally, I think experiences where 94 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: you feel like your needs are not being met consistently 95 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: and repeatedly, even after you've been clear and asking is 96 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: a red flag. When you are being disrespected, taunted, and belittled, 97 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: that is a red flag. When trust is violated and 98 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: the violation is too large for you to overcome, This 99 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: is likely an indication that it may be best to 100 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: walk away. It's important to note here that friendships don't 101 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: always end because some big bad thing happened. Sometimes we 102 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: just grow apart, we just move in different directions. This 103 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it hurts any less to lose that connection, 104 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: but I do think is an important caveat, because I 105 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: think many of us hold on to connections where we 106 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: are not being honored and our needs are not being 107 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: met simply because nothing awful has happened. And I want 108 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: you to know that it is okay to walk away 109 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: simply because you no longer feel like something is a 110 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: good fit for you. And I wonder if we can 111 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: actually hold space for that the ways that we sometimes 112 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: just grow apart. No one has to be the villain. 113 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: There is no love lost. We are simply in different 114 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: places that may no longer intersect. Some signs that a 115 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: relationship actually may be worth repairing are one if sincere 116 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: apologies are offered for any wrongdoing, or if the rupture 117 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: is caused by a life transition something like a new child, 118 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: a move, a new job. These kinds of things often 119 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: uproot our sense of normalcy in a way that's really upsetting, 120 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: but it can also be really joyous, And so I 121 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: think we get confused and don't always have the words 122 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: and the language to talk about how we're feeling in 123 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: these moments, and so we don't know how to say 124 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: I miss you, even though I know baby needs all 125 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: of your attention right now. I think that those kinds 126 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: of ruptures can be repaired and friendships can actually be 127 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: stronger on the other side, if all parties are committed 128 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: to actually hearing each other more from our conversation after 129 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: the break. Now that we've talked about the grief related 130 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: to friendship breakups and how to know if you need 131 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: to end one, we also have to take a very 132 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: close and long look at ourselves in relationships and how 133 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: our own stuff shows up in our friendships. Are we 134 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: someone who gives and gives without ever asking for support 135 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: and then becomes resentful. Always someone who gets jealous if 136 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: a friend makes a new friend and now we don't 137 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: feel like there's any longer a place for us. Always 138 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: someone who makes romantic love central in our lives, leaving 139 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: our our girls to feel left out and unimportant. Because 140 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: relationships involve multiple people when they end, it's important to 141 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: look at what role we played in the relationship and 142 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: how we might want to show up differently in the future, 143 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: if at all, not as a way of shaming ourselves 144 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: or placing blame, but as an honest assessment of who 145 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: we were in that relationship. There are things about ourselves 146 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: that we may not even know about ourselves until it 147 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: is revealed in the confines of a relationship. Maybe we 148 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: did way too much sacrificing, or maybe we struggle to 149 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: assert ourselves and ask for what we needed. Maybe we 150 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: took up too much space and didn't show up in 151 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: the ways we had hoped we would. Maybe we've been 152 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: taught that conflict is a dirty word and that at 153 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: the first sign of a disagreement we have to get out. 154 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: All of this is valuable information to know about ourselves 155 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: that can actually help inform how we show up in 156 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: relationships in the future. So what happens next? The friendship 157 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: has ended, and maybe you still feel conflicted because you 158 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: don't know exactly why it ended. This is often difficult 159 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: because our mind wants to make sense of things A 160 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: plus B equal C, So it may feel difficult to 161 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: move on without this closure. But the truth is that 162 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: oftentimes closure is something we have to give ourselves. That 163 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: means crying it out when you feel like you need to. 164 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: Leaning on supportive people who don't make you feel silly 165 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: about the friendship breakup. Maybe that's other friends, maybe it's 166 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: a therapist, but it needs to be someone. Healing is 167 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: not meant to happen alone. Ask for the support that 168 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: you so readily offer to other people, and when you're ready, 169 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: there will be new friends. Much like with a romantic breakup. 170 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: In the thick of it, you can't imagine you'll ever 171 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: love again, but you do, and you will. It's important 172 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: to know that all the new people who come into 173 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: your life won't necessarily hurt you or disappoint you, and 174 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: that even if that next friend is not your new BFF, 175 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: you have the resources and support to deal with disappointment 176 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: and rejection. You're now armed with new information about who 177 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: you are, about what you desire and a friend, and 178 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: about what you would like friendship to feel like. As 179 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: painful as it is, and you may not be here yet, 180 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: there are new people to choose and new people who 181 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: will choose you. If you're currently experiencing the loss of 182 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: a friendship, I want you to know that you are 183 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: not alone and that the grief you're feeling is valid. 184 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: Something that may help is taking some time to write 185 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: a letter to this former friend sharing all the things 186 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: you feel like have been left unsaid. What apologies do 187 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: you want to offer? What apologies do you feel like 188 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: you are actually old in? What ways? Do you feel 189 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: like you failed to show up in? What ways? Could 190 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: they have showed up more? What lingering questions do you have? 191 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: What would you want to say or know if you 192 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: could have one final conversation with this person now. This 193 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: is not a letter that you will send. This is 194 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: simply an exercise for you to get clearer on what 195 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: you're actually holding. One thing that I wish that more 196 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: people understood about friendship breakups is that the grief is 197 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: very real, and that tenderness and gentleness go a very 198 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: long way. A green flag in relationships or friends who 199 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: are just excited or maybe even more excited about your 200 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: accomplishments and achievements as you are. Something to release this 201 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: year to make space for better relationships is our reluctance 202 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: to ask for help. If you're in the middle of 203 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: a friendship breakup right now, I want you to cry 204 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: as long as you need to, but also know that 205 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: you will be okay and that you have not yet 206 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: met all the people who will love you In one 207 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: word my twenty twenty six metamorphosis is ease. To support 208 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: my metamorphosis this year, I am more fiercely protecting my time. 209 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: If you find yourself waiting through the waters of a 210 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: friendship breakup, I hope this has been helpful to you. 211 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: If you're looking for support, we love to have you 212 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: join us in our patreon for our Sunday night check in, 213 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: where we will be walking through the pages of our 214 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: Friendship Breakup Companion guide, designed to help you process the 215 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: grief of the breakup. You can join us at community 216 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: dot therapy for blackgirls dot com. If you have additional 217 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: questions you'd like to have answered after you listen to 218 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: the episode, or have ideas for another topic you'd like 219 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,599 Speaker 1: to hear discussed, send us a message at Therapy for 220 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: Blackgirls dot com, slash mailbox, or leave us a voice 221 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: message at Memo dot fm slash Therapy for Black Girls. 222 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Elise Ellis, Indechubu and Tyree Rush. 223 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: Editing was done by Dennis and Bradford. Thank y'all so 224 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: much for joining me again this week. I look forward 225 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: to continuing this conversation with you all real soon. Take 226 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: good care,