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Speaker 1: of that. Very excited to talk to the former two

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Speaker 1: time UFC bantam weight champion Domina Cruz and also the

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Speaker 1: decorated wrestler Roman Bravo Young today on the program. A

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Speaker 1: couple things I do want to get to with Ken

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Speaker 1: flow off the top of the show. So when we

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Speaker 1: were talking to Ray Longo last week, we talked a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the spandham weight division, and it seems

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Speaker 1: as though it is going to be a rematch between

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Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley and Marlon Chito Vera. May not be in

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Speaker 1: December because Connor McGregor and Michael Chandler could be happening

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Speaker 1: at UFC two ninety six, but Rob Dwallischwilly is the

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Speaker 1: number one contender, and oftentimes in your career you found

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Speaker 1: yourself in that very slot, either at one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty five pounds or against probably your better judgment cutting

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Speaker 1: down to one hundred and forty five pounds. What a

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Speaker 1: fucking savage you were, by the way, making forty five

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Speaker 1: You fucking idiot, right So, but in your career, right so,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes it was a meritocracy. When you earned a title fight,

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Speaker 1: you received it, but you also were one of the

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Speaker 1: bigger names, right like when you went down and fought

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Speaker 1: Diego Noon as it was sort of understood Kenny Florian's

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Speaker 1: a big name. At lightweight, he drops down, you beat Diego,

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Speaker 1: You're getting the title fight. So you at times were

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Speaker 1: able to sort of have your cake and eat it too,

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Speaker 1: insofar as you were the number one contender in a meritocracy,

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Speaker 1: but you also moved the needle to whatever degree. Chail

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Speaker 1: sun And has come out since our last episode and

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Speaker 1: criticized Morob for suggesting that he would wait, and I

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Speaker 1: was sort of defending his status as the number one

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Speaker 1: contender last week. It's the only sport in the world

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Speaker 1: where you rise to the championship and you don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: get to fight or compete for.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true. Timing has so much to do with it, right,

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Speaker 6: and absolutely, you know, I think that that was one

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Speaker 6: of the main reasons why I went down one hundred

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Speaker 6: and forty five pounds is that, you know, because I

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Speaker 6: had a certain amount of name power, that I could

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Speaker 6: go down to that weight class, get a good fight

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Speaker 6: against great competition, get that winning immediately be in the

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Speaker 6: title conversation, and of course, you know, ask for that

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Speaker 6: title shot when I was able to get the deal done,

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Speaker 6: and yeah, it's tough. I wonder how bad this injury

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Speaker 6: is for Morob, you know, because I think that, you know,

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Speaker 6: and Ray said this obviously before that he would probably

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Speaker 6: fight with one arm. So the fact that he's saying

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Speaker 6: he wants to take time off is is interesting. Maybe

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Speaker 6: he because he is so close he wants to be

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Speaker 6: give himself the best shot at being a world champion

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Speaker 6: against someone like O'Malley. But I think that after seeing

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Speaker 6: probably recalibrating and trying to get you know, I at

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Speaker 6: least learn from that fight, learn from some of the

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Speaker 6: mistakes they may have done in that one, get the

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Speaker 6: right pieces in place, get healthy, and then fight later on.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, it's interesting and a little bit unexpected from

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, if I'm O'Malley, I want to fight

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Speaker 1: Dominica Cruz, that's a scalp I want. Speaking of which,

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Speaker 1: our guests are early today now joining us future UFC

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, the former two time UFC Bandwight champion

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Speaker 1: Domina Cruz and his good friend, the legendary wrestler Roman

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Speaker 1: Bravo Young. I was doing research on my man rb

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Speaker 1: Y today, and my goodness, I didn't even know the

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Speaker 1: nature and the scope of your legend.

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Speaker 2: But Roman, it's good to have you on the program.

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Speaker 1: Man. I've sort of been following your progress and stuff

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Speaker 1: from AFAR over the last couple of years, but we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking a few minutes for us today.

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Speaker 7: Brother, Yeah, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: So so much.

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Speaker 1: I can get to as far as your wrestling career.

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Speaker 1: But I guess I just wanted to start with how

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Speaker 1: you and Cruisey got aligned. I know we got Tucson

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Speaker 1: in the building tonight. Look at you rocking the one

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Speaker 1: More sleep t shirt. You gotta love him. But how

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Speaker 1: did you guys first align? Because it seems like you

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Speaker 1: guys have a really special kinship despite maybe not being

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Speaker 1: in each other's lives forever.

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Speaker 2: But I may have that wrong.

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Speaker 5: He can kind of take it over from there.

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Speaker 7: We lost you? What's that did? Did?

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Speaker 4: Did? I?

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Speaker 7: Am I the only one who lost him on that? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: Lost?

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Speaker 1: But he had uh From your vantage point, Dom, what

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Speaker 1: do you recall about how you guys got connected?

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Speaker 7: Well, me and Roman.

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Speaker 8: He reached out because chel sonan from what I understood

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Speaker 8: told him that he needed to reach out to me

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Speaker 8: to set up this grappling match, which is genius chills.

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Speaker 8: Having people do is promoting for him and then he

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Speaker 8: doesn't have to do anything. He's just And that's what

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Speaker 8: I said to him, like, oh, so he's going to

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Speaker 8: put the pressure on you to call me. Of all people,

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Speaker 8: you think Roman wanted to call me, you know who

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Speaker 8: really didn't want to call me Jail. So it was

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Speaker 8: funny because he reached out and I was like, what

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Speaker 8: you from? You know my coach Drew Fickett. And he's

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Speaker 8: like yeah, And I'm like, why are we going to

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Speaker 8: we work out with in Tucson, Arizona. Let's just work

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Speaker 8: together and take over the world. And he hung up

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Speaker 8: I think we have a lot of when you come

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Speaker 7: Whether you got whether we grew up with each.

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Speaker 8: we've known each other for a really long time. I

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Speaker 8: And his grandfather was the guy who set the bar

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Speaker 8: and so Bravo Young or Bravo was the man. And

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Speaker 7: Roman.

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Speaker 6: So obviously you've wrestled at the highest level in college

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just like dumb, say, my grandpa, he

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Speaker 5: had me doing crazy stuff since I've grown up, you know,

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Speaker 5: running lifting all the time. I'd had to do pull

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Speaker 5: really understand why. But I feel like now that I

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Speaker 5: and just like the mindset of philosophy. But I definitely

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Speaker 5: noticed that since I've been at Penn State, it's all

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Speaker 5: go to MMA James, a lot of people hate to

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Speaker 5: here in the philosophy, just at Penn State and my

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Speaker 2: Now, do you do you want to have a future

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, So obviously to break down some of my plans,

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Speaker 5: I just got Della Penn State. It's a two times

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Speaker 5: national champ running up this past year. Now, I just

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Speaker 5: Nationals in July. So now I got a tournament in November, November, December.

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Speaker 5: That's to kind of like make Mexico's Olympics. Olympics like

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Speaker 5: Haven't been out that way, so I got to sacrifice,

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Speaker 5: and yes, that's my plan right now. And then I

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Speaker 5: want to wrestle freestyle a little bit because I'm obviously

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Speaker 5: world medal or two. That's my goals, and I'll be

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Speaker 5: completely don't wrestling, do some grappling matches, and then I'll

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Speaker 5: slowly start transitioning with uh with Dom. But I feel

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Speaker 5: like now that I'm wrestling in Mexico, I got a

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Speaker 5: that with me to MMA. I think if you go

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Speaker 6: That's exciting, Man, Don Dom, based on what you've seen

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Speaker 6: from Roman, Man, what what what's the ceiling on this kid?

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Speaker 7: Well, let's let's be honest.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not the one that I'll ever put

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Speaker 8: a ceiling on anybody, so you know that.

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Speaker 7: But I know it's a phrase that you mean. And

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Speaker 7: what I what I what I see is that I'm

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Speaker 7: a fan because of wrestling.

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Speaker 8: First, Like I couldn't wrestle at the level he wrestled,

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Speaker 4: I started fighting.

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Speaker 8: You know, he's going to have just a whole other

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Speaker 8: level of wrestling because of like you said, the coaches.

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Speaker 8: I went and got to train with Kale and all them,

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Speaker 8: and the gratitude that they focus on having fun, that

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Speaker 8: they focus on the way that they grapple doesn't wear

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Speaker 8: you out, It doesn't tear your joints apart, it doesn't.

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Speaker 8: They're not there to beat you to pieces. And so

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Speaker 8: I see really good hope for him crossing over after

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Speaker 1: What was that setting like that jiu jitsu match a

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Speaker 1: All right, And before we let you go incredible college

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Speaker 5: Uh. I think I think maybe the second time of one,

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Speaker 5: But it's cool that I can like pay him off

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Speaker 1: And last thing I know, I lied, but your weight

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Speaker 2: All right, my man?

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Speaker 1: Well we will be tracking your progress from Afar. Congratulations

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Speaker 5: Yeil, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to hit cruise pretty hard. So Dom,

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Speaker 1: it was great to see you this past weekend. We

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Speaker 2: This is cool.

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Speaker 8: Well, he's a smart, smart guy, and more than that,

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Speaker 8: He's not that guy, and so it gives me a

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Speaker 4: And then his coach, Cal Sanderson's the next level.

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Speaker 8: And then all those guys that he works with there

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Speaker 8: I don't see how he could be off because you know,

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Speaker 8: not advice, because if nobody wants advice when you're young,

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Speaker 4: One of the toughest things about being a high level a.

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Speaker 1: All I know, Kenny has some stuff in terms of

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Speaker 1: But I have to talk to you about al Jamaine

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Speaker 1: when I suggested that al Jamaine Sterling and not you,

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Speaker 1: was maybe the greatest bandom weight of all time. And

436
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Speaker 1: really what I was trying to say was that I thought,

437
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Speaker 1: after he beat Henry that maybe in terms of the

438
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Speaker 1: overall accomplishments, that he had pulled ahead right and I

439
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Speaker 1: had the fan base all over me for seventy two hours,

440
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Speaker 1: and I guess I just bring it up to you

441
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Speaker 1: because I hope you feel that love and the acknowledgment

442
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Speaker 1: of your body of work because you got no fucking

443
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Speaker 1: bigger fan than me. I just try to call it

444
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Speaker 1: like I see it, and everyone disagreed.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, thanks Anik for collin how you see it,

446
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 8: because I know you're not making it about your own

447
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 8: specific needs and wants. It's about the athlete that's competing.

448
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Speaker 8: And that's what you did for al Joe, and I

449
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Speaker 8: get that. That's what that job. That's what's so tough

450
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Speaker 8: about that job, Anick, and that's why you're one of

451
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Speaker 8: the best. How can we be neutral even though we

452
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Speaker 8: know people that are in there killing themselves. So al

453
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Speaker 8: Joe has defended the title three times in the UFC.

454
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Speaker 8: I defended the UFC title three times and then came

455
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Speaker 8: back or twice and then lost it and then came

456
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Speaker 8: back and won it again.

457
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Speaker 7: So I want it twice in the UFC.

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Speaker 8: But the thing that I think is missing that a

459
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Speaker 8: lot of fans, apparently from listening to you know, is

460
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Speaker 8: that the weight class began in the WC.

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Speaker 4: So it's a.

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Speaker 8: Little bit different because in most organizations, if you win

463
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Speaker 8: a title in another or organization, it doesn't count because

464
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Speaker 8: the weight class didn't begin in that organization. In the WEC,

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Speaker 8: there was no weight class for one, twenty five, thirty

466
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Speaker 8: five and forty five. Twenty five didn't even exist. It

467
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Speaker 8: was only thirty five forty five, so twenty five didn't

468
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Speaker 8: even start until thirty five and forty.

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Speaker 4: Five got implemented.

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Speaker 8: In the UFC, Me and Jose Aldo had to fight

471
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Speaker 8: in order to win a UFC belt, So I didn't

472
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Speaker 8: just get here you go, here's a belt, dom you're

473
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Speaker 8: a UFC champion. That's not how it worked for me.

474
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Speaker 8: I was a WC champion. I defended it three times

475
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Speaker 8: and then they said, okay, now you got to fight

476
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Speaker 8: to win the UFC title. You're not just champion. Ronda

477
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Speaker 8: Rousey got given the belt. She was champion because the

478
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Speaker 8: women's division was still growing and she was the queen

479
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Speaker 8: of it. Like, let's be honest, there's nobody that was

480
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Speaker 8: going to top her star power to build that division,

481
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Speaker 8: So here you go, you can have it now. Me,

482
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Speaker 8: on the other hand, I got to fight for it,

483
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Speaker 8: although I had to fight for it because there's a

484
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Speaker 8: huge division full.

485
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Speaker 4: Of animals in our division. So I had to fight.

486
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Speaker 8: I got to fight Jorgensen to win that title, and

487
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Speaker 8: so that made me. You know, I was a six

488
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Speaker 8: time defending champion in the UFC in my weight class,

489
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Speaker 8: not just in the UFC, in.

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Speaker 4: My weight classes the way it would be worded.

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Speaker 8: And some fans seem to know that, I guess, and

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Speaker 8: some some don't. But that's the history of the sport

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Speaker 8: of this weight class, like it or not. We had

494
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Speaker 8: to start somewhere, and it was in the WC with

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Speaker 8: Reed Harris, you Ryah favor that whole team Alpha Male.

496
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Speaker 8: Without that rivalry that I don't know if there's enough

497
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Speaker 8: animosity to build the weight class the way that we

498
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Speaker 8: hated each other.

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Speaker 6: To be honest, dude, it seems like the belt at

500
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Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty five pounds, it's got some Crisco

501
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Speaker 6: on it.

502
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Speaker 7: Man.

503
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Speaker 6: People can't hold on of that things what you want.

504
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 6: The division is insane. It's so stacked right now. You know,

505
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Speaker 6: for me, it's probably between one hundred and fifty five

506
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Speaker 6: and one hundred and thirty five pounds as the most

507
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Speaker 6: competitive in the UFC. What does it say, you know,

508
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Speaker 6: with O'Malley beating Aljo, especially the way that he does,

509
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Speaker 6: the way that he did, what does it say about

510
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Speaker 6: the batwom White division and where do you put it

511
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Speaker 6: as far as you know, toughest divisions in the UFC.

512
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Speaker 8: So I love it when you get a guy like

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Speaker 8: that coming in here and shaking things up, you know,

514
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Speaker 8: because you look at him and the Yon fight and

515
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Speaker 8: it was an extremely competitive fight, and that was to

516
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Speaker 8: me between him and Vera, Between Yan and Vera, the

517
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Speaker 8: two Jan Verre and Aljie are the toughest fights he

518
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Speaker 8: had and those are all three very tough fights.

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Speaker 4: He won two or three of those.

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Speaker 8: So Ster O'Malley is as good as everybody wants him

521
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Speaker 8: to be. He's proven it. He knocked out the champion

522
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Speaker 8: who is defending. He's got power in his hands and

523
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 8: so he can pretty much knock got anybody in the

524
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Speaker 8: division because he's got that one punch power shot. Now,

525
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Speaker 8: the question is how many people you know have that

526
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 8: knockout power And there's little gaps because of the knockout power.

527
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Speaker 8: That's the question that gets to be asked in that position.

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Speaker 8: As you're champion. It's one thing to be champion, it's

529
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Speaker 8: another thing to defend the title. To me, to be

530
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Speaker 8: a champion, you got to defend it, not once. But

531
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Speaker 8: I'm especially in one hundred and thirty five pounds. I

532
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 8: didn't lose for ten years, and I had some injuries

533
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Speaker 8: in there, But to come back from injury and face

534
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Speaker 8: the best in the division is not any easier. So

535
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Speaker 8: it's not like I got a rest or something. I

536
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 8: was in the division. Pressure was on, get well, get well,

537
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 8: get well, and when you get well down after three

538
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Speaker 8: years or ten years, you're fighting the best guy in

539
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Speaker 8: the world, so have your shit together. Well, he's in

540
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Speaker 8: that boat now he gets to feel that pressure. He

541
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Speaker 8: gets to feel the pressure of the entire division drooling,

542
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Speaker 8: chopping at the bit to take him out. Because you

543
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 8: got to think, when you're watching a guy on the outside,

544
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 8: you're seeing every single move he makes, and you're adjusting

545
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Speaker 8: every single move you make on the lower end of

546
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Speaker 8: the ladder to adjust to the champion. Now everybody in

547
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 8: the whole world is adjusting to Sean O'Malley's style. Does

548
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Speaker 8: he switch weight classes so that nobody's focused on him

549
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Speaker 8: in another weight or does he stay where he's at

550
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Speaker 8: defend what he's got be a multiple time defense champion

551
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Speaker 8: and show that he's the best in the world in

552
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Speaker 8: this weight class by fighting and cleaning out the division.

553
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Speaker 8: When I was champion, I cleaned out the division. When

554
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Speaker 8: Kamara Usman was champion, he cleaned out the division. When

555
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 8: is he's champion, he cleans out the division. Then you

556
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Speaker 8: go up, not these guys hopping around hopper defend your belt.

557
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Speaker 4: That's what a.

558
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Speaker 8: Champion does because you got a hold lineup of people

559
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Speaker 8: who are ready for your style, who are ready to

560
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 8: face exactly what you are, who are chopping it a

561
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Speaker 8: bit for the opportunity to beat everything that you've represented

562
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Speaker 8: with your style, And that's what makes it tough to

563
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Speaker 8: stay on top in one weight class and to keep defending,

564
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Speaker 8: keep defending. So I think O'Malley has the skills because

565
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Speaker 8: he has the power to knock out anybody.

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Speaker 7: In the division.

567
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Speaker 8: So could he just keep knocking everybody out? I do

568
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Speaker 8: believe he could. The question is will he? And it's

569
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Speaker 8: harder to stay on top than it is to earn it.

570
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Speaker 8: Earning it once is one thing. Try earning it and

571
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Speaker 8: defending it full times whole different ballgame. We're talking about.

572
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Speaker 8: That that's real champ stuff to me, no question about it.

573
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Speaker 7: Dude.

574
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Speaker 6: In regards to your future, man, where do you stand?

575
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 6: You got your hands wrapped. I know you're training all

576
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 6: the time, and I know you can get any fight,

577
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 6: but I know you don't want any fight. You want

578
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Speaker 6: the right fight. Do you have something coming up? And

579
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 6: what is that right fight? What does that look like?

580
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Speaker 8: I say what my coach always tells me, because you know,

581
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 8: as fighters, That's why it's like I said with Roman,

582
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 8: it's so nice to have leaders. I can't do this

583
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 8: by myself because my emotions get pulled into it, My

584
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 8: ego gets pulled into it. You have to have an

585
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 8: ego in fighting, otherwise there's no reason to show up.

586
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 8: So I have it. It's just that I can't use

587
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 8: it everywhere because it doesn't always work. To use it

588
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 8: that crazy dumb doesn't work everywhere. Nobody wants to see

589
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 8: that guy, so I have to set him aside.

590
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Speaker 4: And that's the guy you usually see on these interviews.

591
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Speaker 8: But the ego guy is who my coach talks to,

592
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 8: and that's the guy that my coach says, shut the

593
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 8: fuck up, what are you talking about? What do you

594
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 8: mean booking a fight? You haven't hit pads enough, you haven't.

595
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 8: My coach will tell me when I'm ready. And that's

596
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 8: one of the blessings I have is not having to

597
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 8: make that decision alone, Kenny, Like, not having to say

598
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 8: I'm ready, like he'll do like, no, you're not ready, man, Like,

599
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 8: let's do another three months. And one of the things

600
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 8: my coach is saying is have fun with training right now.

601
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 4: You are who you are. People are going to be

602
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: lining up to fight.

603
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 8: You get myself to where I feel like, Okay, I've

604
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 8: gone through a consistent amount of sparring rounds, a consistent

605
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 8: amount of drilling rounds. Nothing's locking up. I shot my

606
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 8: shoulder up with some stem cells. I do want to

607
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 8: come back and fight. I want my body to work,

608
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 8: so I'm not coming in there booking a fight, hurt,

609
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 8: pulling out, pulling all that mess. So if it works,

610
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 8: it works, and I'll be back. If it doesn't, i'll

611
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 8: know soon and then we'll know the next move. But

612
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 8: I am training. As you can see, I'm doing everything

613
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 8: I can to get everything lined up because I do

614
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 8: want to compete. I love fighting. When I started this game,

615
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 8: it was illegal in every state, and I was paying

616
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Speaker 8: money to fight my first four fights at one hundred

617
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 8: and fifty five pounds. I lost money so certain certain

618
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 8: people in this game. That's when this game started. You

619
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 8: started when you were paying money to fight.

620
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 7: That was me.

621
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Speaker 8: I just do it because I enjoy it, not because

622
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 8: I have to. So I just feel grateful to be here,

623
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 8: to be honest, still competing for more.

624
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Speaker 1: Two time UFC Bandamwaight Champion Domina Cruz outstanding stuff as usual.

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Speaker 1: price guarantee. Really cool stuff there, Kenny, I thought from

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Speaker 1: not just Row Bravo Young, but Domina Cruz as well,

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Speaker 1: And it's going to be really interesting, I think, based

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Speaker 1: upon that conversation for you and I to monitor how

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Speaker 1: far rbby can take it. But real quick, if you'll

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Speaker 1: indulge me for a minute on this cruise Algae thing,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get the fuck out of here. So dom

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Speaker 1: is you know, Kenny left me right, and Kenny and

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Speaker 1: I spent a ton of time on the road. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's nobody in broadcasting I've been closer with than Kenny Flory.

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Speaker 1: And obviously Kenny and I don't see each other a lot,

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Speaker 1: and not that dom and I see each other a

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Speaker 1: lot necessarily on the road, but he is my best

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Speaker 1: friend among my broadcast partners. And so when I take

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Speaker 1: this stance on Al Joe, you know, I take it

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Speaker 1: seriously right, and I it's not that criticism came my way.

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Speaker 1: It's just that overwhelming disagreement came my way. So I

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Speaker 1: just want to on this platform that I have just

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Speaker 1: share my two cents and if you have anything on

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Speaker 1: the backside, great, So al Jamaine Sterling going into the

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Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley fight when I said this had fifteen UFC wins,

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Speaker 1: Dominic Crews, WEC and UFC combined fourteen wins. And then

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Speaker 1: I look at a slightly different era, and then I

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Speaker 1: look at Al Jamaine Sterling's wins list, Corey sand haeg

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Speaker 1: yoder Yon times two, TJ. Dillashaw, Henry Sahudo, Hennon Barrow,

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Speaker 1: who still still suggests as the greatest thirty five of

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Speaker 1: all time, Pedro Munoz, Cody Staman, on and on it goes.

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Speaker 1: The wins list to me, for al Jamaine Sterling in

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Speaker 1: this era just was too much accomplishment to ignore. But

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Speaker 1: greatest bandom weight of all time. To some may suggest

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Speaker 1: that he's the most skilled one thirty five er of

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Speaker 1: all time, and I might give that distinction to TJ.

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Speaker 1: Dillasha Domina Cruz, right, But TJ. Dillashaw has not even

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Speaker 1: in this conversation because of the blood doping. So I

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Speaker 1: laid it out for al Jamaine Sterling. I think, based

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Speaker 1: upon his accomplish he has done more than any one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five pounder. But yeah, Cruzi's right there

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Speaker 1: on his heels and seems like ninety percent of the

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Speaker 1: fan base thinks the Cruise is still the standard and

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Speaker 1: deserves that goat emoji if you will.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's a good discussion and I think

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Speaker 6: both are certainly close and deserve their kudos, right, But

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Speaker 6: I think based on what Aljo has done, the consistency

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Speaker 6: and the fact that the fact that the division is

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Speaker 6: way more difficult today than it was way back when,

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Speaker 6: and that's why in some cases, you know, goat conversations

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Speaker 6: best of all time is very difficult to put together,

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Speaker 6: just because the sport evolves, right, and you have to assume,

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Speaker 6: and it is the case that the sport is as

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Speaker 6: tough and as good as it is now, like it's

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Speaker 6: better than ever. So when you have a champion representing

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Speaker 6: that specific division, then you too have to understand that

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Speaker 6: his competition is also better than ever. Not always the case,

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Speaker 6: but mostly the case, and it's certainly the case at

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Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty five pounds right now, it's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: So al Joe being at the top for that long

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Speaker 6: defending his belt against the guys that he did, I

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Speaker 6: think it was absolutely warranted. But Domina Cruz, as far

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Speaker 6: as his style and what he did not only as

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Speaker 6: a champion, but also for the sport in general. I mean,

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Speaker 6: now you look at guys, they're all trying to move

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Speaker 6: like They're all trying to move like Dom. They're all

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Speaker 6: trying to copy the same movement. They're all trying to

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Speaker 6: add those unique flavors of footwork into your game. Why

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Speaker 6: because Dom was doing it before anybody else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, you put that well, And I do believe singularly,

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Speaker 1: the biggest win, the most consequential win when all factors

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Speaker 1: are considered, in the history of this division, was when

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Speaker 1: Dom came back became a two time champion, beat TJ.

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Speaker 1: Dillashaw in Boston in twenty sixteen. It was a close fight,

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Speaker 1: it was a split decision, but the fact that Dom

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Speaker 1: the course of five years, there was the Mizugaki fight

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Speaker 1: and then another layoff, that to me is the singular

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Speaker 1: biggest win. But if Alja Maine Sterling had added a

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Speaker 1: win over Shan O'Malley to this already potent legacy, you know,

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Speaker 1: then I would have thought that he would have maybe

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Speaker 1: even further distanced himself. But he did not do that.

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Speaker 1: And uh, and then somebody said, God, Annik, you're so biased.

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Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley could be the greatest bandon weight of all time,

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: He could go down that way.

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Speaker 1: I guess right now, right he is not right now,

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Speaker 1: But some of these conversations, you're right, can be fruitless

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Speaker 1: to have. I just feel like people in a broad

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Speaker 1: scope do not acknowledge al Jaminstorm's body of work because

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Speaker 1: he's the only champion ever to win the unisputed title

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Speaker 1: by way of a DQ. But that's enough about that,

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Speaker 1: And I just felt like I needed to address that

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Speaker 1: with my guy Dom because, uh, you know, even though

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Speaker 1: he's not completely locked into social media all the time,

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Speaker 1: he certainly sees that article written on MMA Junkie. And

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Speaker 1: maybe my comments were sensationalized or clickbaited a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but uh, you know, I mean what I say, and

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Speaker 1: I say what I mean. All Right, we got to

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