1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast part of the Action 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: Network and proudly presented by Bett three six five. I 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: am Chad Melman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network. 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: We are live on AMP, we are live on YouTube. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Put your questions in either Chat producer Matt Mitchell is 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: standing by to give them to me and to my 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: co host, my bff, my compadre, and my companion professional 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: better Simon hunter. 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: HEADO. 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: So I'm in, Hello Chad. 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: What a crazy, crazy start to the month of June. 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: We've had tell me why? 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 4: Uh, we had a golf merger and on the same 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: day as we have a gambling scandal, the same day 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 4: we have an upset in the NBA. 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: It's all happening at the same exact time. 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: Chat Sports takes no breaks. Uh. You're, of course referring 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: to the PGA Tour and Live Golf and the European Tour, 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: essentially merging freaking insane. I don't even understand how it's 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: all gonna work. At one point, we're gonna get Jason 21 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: sobell on here. We're going to talk about the ramifications. 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: Does this now mean Rory McElroy is going to be 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: nice to Bryce and d Champeau. Does Roy McElroy now 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: play the trunk courses that are on the live tour? 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Does anybody even care about the Lift Tour enough to 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: watch it on TV now that it will be part 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour. I don't know what any of 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: this means. Does Phil Nicholson have to give back two 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars? I don't know. We're gonna 30 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna untangle it all. You did mention two very 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: important things. Number One, we've got the NBA files going on. 32 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: They are tied one to one. We love the NBA. 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: We've had great NBA coverage that will continue later on 34 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: the show. Dragonfly Jones and Mike Garda Bassio from the 35 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: Jenkins and Jones podcast crew, friends of ours from the 36 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: Volume podcast network. They're going to come on, We're going 37 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: to talk NBA. Before we get to that, we're gonna 38 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: have to talk about this cult's betting scandal that came 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: up yesterday and the guy who broke it from Sports 40 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Handle part of the Better Collective universe. We're all part 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: of the same family here in Better Collective. Matt Riboltowski, 42 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: who nailed the story, had been working his sources for 43 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: a few months. He's going to come on and explain 44 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: to us what it means. But first, the Favorites is 45 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: proudly presented by Bet three six five, the world's favorite 46 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: sportsbook brand. 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Let's 72 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: bring in Matt Ribaltowski, Senior reporter of Sports handled Matt 73 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: yesterday you broke a very big story, got picked up 74 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: all over the country. NBC picked it up, ESPN picked 75 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: it up. It was on local radio everywhere. It's becoming 76 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of a recurring theme in this off season, 77 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: is NFL players getting busted for betting on sports. This 78 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: one took on a little bit of a different angle. 79 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: Explain what you learned and what you broke. 80 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, you nailed it, Chad, Where you mentioned that there's 81 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 5: this convergence now of all these batting scandals within the industry, 82 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 5: and it just hasn't happened with the NFL. There's been 83 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 5: a few universities that have been ensnared. There was a 84 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 5: MLS match fixing scandal involving in a ledged yellow card 85 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 5: incident earlier in the in the Spring. The reason I 86 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 5: mentioned them is because the source we use is it's 87 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 5: very trusted. We've used them in the past. We've had 88 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 5: him as a source for a few years now and 89 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 5: he had he had firsthand knowledge of what occurred here 90 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 5: with the Cults incident. And this is the fourth one 91 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 5: now that's involved NFL players since the past ruling. 92 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 6: And. 93 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 5: It's it definitely doesn't involve the most prominent player, right 94 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 5: Calvin Ridley is by far the most prominent player that's 95 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 5: been nailed for gambling. And it might not be the 96 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 5: most egregious either. If you look back at the first 97 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 5: one in twenty nineteen that involved Josh Saw there were 98 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 5: uncorroborated reports that he wazered against the Cardinals on a 99 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 5: second half bet in a Cardinals Bucks game. So even 100 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 5: if it's proven that Isaiah Rogers bet on the Colts, 101 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 5: I wouldn't say it's the most egregious one, but I 102 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 5: would say in terms of sheer volume, our source informed 103 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 5: us that the player placed hundreds of bets, if not more, 104 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 5: and ESPN corroborated that some where. According to ESPN's reporting, 105 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 5: he placed at least one hundred wagers. I'd say in 106 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 5: terms of the sheer volume, this is the most rampant 107 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 5: violation so far. 108 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 6: Yeah. 109 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, ESPN broke yesterday after we had reported that the 110 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: investigation was happening, that it was called player Isaiah Rogers Simon, 111 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: and that he had potentially we had broken that some 112 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: of the hundreds of bets he made included bets on 113 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: his own team. Simon, you're professional better. You've been a 114 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: professional better for a long time. There are two sides 115 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: to two ways to look at what's happening right now. 116 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: Everyone says, oh my god, sports betting is legal, and 117 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden there is a rush of illicit 118 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: activity on the parts of players and rules violations with 119 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: regard to betting. What was me that's terrible? Or sunlight 120 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: is the best disinfectant And these things were probably happening before. 121 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,679 Speaker 1: Only now because it is so regulated, we are learning 122 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: about this and it actually becomes more of a deterrent 123 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: as a professional better. What is your purview on the 124 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: attention being paid to rules violations from players. 125 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of ways to go with this. 126 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 4: I would say the biggest thing is it's just about 127 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 4: being dumb. 128 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: If you're dumb, you will get caught. If you're not. 129 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: If you're smart, it's really easy never to get caught. 130 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 3: I mean I have. 131 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 4: I mean, it'd be a shocking amount to you chet 132 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: how many guys that I run for right, take bets 133 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 4: for that are professional athletes. People have been talking AlSi 134 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, how are guys better on 135 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 4: their own football teams but against football teams? How are 136 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 4: NHL players betting on different sports across the map? Like 137 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 4: you think it's just a one isolated thing. It's People 138 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: would be shocked to know how many professional athletes do bet. 139 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 4: But they're not idiots, right. Either they're betting through friends 140 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 4: or families or whoever's phones. I'm not using their own 141 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 4: devices because that's how you get caught. Basically, they're catching 142 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 4: these guys because they're getting pinged in their own buildings 143 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 4: or wherever. Right, these these sportsbooks work with these teams 144 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: if they ping a guy, right, if someone makes a 145 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 4: bet in the cold stadium or the cult practice facility, 146 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 4: they'll just send that info to the NFL team. Now, 147 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: who knows how he did it, and maybe he was 148 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 4: using his own phone, maybe he was using his girlfriend's phone, 149 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 4: who knows, but he got caught. So I would say 150 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: this isn't a one stop thing. There's gonna be a 151 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 4: lot more stories coming out of this over the next 152 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: couple of years. We haven't had a major scandal yet, 153 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 4: but Italy. One of the biggest scandals ever is this 154 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 4: whole thing with Italy and the Juventos. I believe it 155 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 4: was was paying off referees. That was a big deal. 156 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 4: That was a huge deal in Europe. Now we haven't 157 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 4: had that. We really haven't anything else like that. To me, 158 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 4: that that's the big stuff where you know, if there's 159 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 4: if there's big breaking stuff, it's going to be a 160 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 4: big name player, right Chad. So, say a starting quarterback 161 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 4: NFL gets caught betting against his team or betting on 162 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 4: a team, to me, that would be earth shattering. If 163 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: it's a backup running back, yeah it's a big deal, 164 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: but it's you know, me and you aren't losing our 165 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: heads over it. So to me, that's the fear as 166 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 4: someone that's in this industry, now, it's like, I just 167 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 4: want it to be pure. I like betting on sports 168 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 4: and not worrying about the referees, not worrying about what 169 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: the players are doing. That's a nice thing to know. 170 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 4: If that changes that, yeah, that would be massive in 171 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: our industry. So to me being behind the curtains, it's like, 172 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: I know a ton of athletes I bet on sports. 173 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 4: They bet on their own teams, they bet on themselves, 174 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: their own player props, all of that. But I don't 175 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: think they're ever gonna get caught. I think a lot 176 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 4: of these guys are really smart. They're really well educated, 177 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 4: especially where a lot of these teams have a guy coming. 178 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: They'll tell me the exact rules on the betting. Right, 179 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 4: They'll tell them exactly what to do and what not 180 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 4: to do. Right, if you play football, you can bet 181 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 4: on another sports. You just can't bet on the NFL. 182 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: There's different rules like that. So to me, I think 183 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: this is just the tip of the iceberg. Chad, like, 184 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: we're just gonna keep every year we'll see one of 185 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: these scandals come out just because people are dumb. Like 186 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: it's just you're really dumb if you're gonna use your 187 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: own cell phone go on these sports books, give your 188 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: own name and your own so security number. It's just like, 189 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 4: come on, it really is mind blowing. So when this 190 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 4: story broke, I was waiting to hear what players name. 191 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 4: The player's name was. When the name came out, I 192 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 4: was like, all right, it's pretty crazy, but nothing that's 193 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 4: going to shut down the NFL league, right, It's just 194 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 4: going to be business as usual. 195 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: This guy probably kicked out of the league. No one's 196 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 3: gonna pick him up. That's just the way it is. 197 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 4: He's not like Calvin Ridley, which is a top twenty, 198 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: top twenty five bide receiver, Like that guy's gonna get 199 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 4: another job. I don't know if he's gonna get another 200 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 4: job after this one. 201 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 6: Chad. 202 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know why, but in the 203 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: three months you've been in Hawaii, your or Philadelphia accent 204 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: has gotten stronger. I don't know how that's happened. 205 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: Because I pulled an all nighter. 206 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 4: I've just been up all night cha, I have not 207 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 4: gone to sleep, and it is seven thirty in the 208 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 4: morning in Hawaii. 209 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: So I literally pulled an all nighter so I would 210 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 3: have missed this show. 211 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm watching I'm listening to that Kate 212 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: Winslet show like Murder Dirder. All right, So Matt, there 213 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: are and Isaiah Rogers has since come out with a 214 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: statement apologizing owning the mistakes. Blah blah blah blah blah 215 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: blah with you as something that was really interesting in 216 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: your story, this concept of prohibited lists, and I want 217 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: you to address this before we get to the Jenkins 218 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: and Jones guys and talk NBA. Explain what prohibited lists 219 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: are and what leagues can do with them. 220 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really interesting point. And I have to 221 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 5: give out to give a shout out to my colleague 222 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 5: Jill Dorson because in May she had a terrific feature 223 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,239 Speaker 5: on this and she was she was able to ascertain 224 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 5: that in Iowa because she was doing some reporting on 225 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 5: the colleges there that the the only pro league that 226 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 5: provides those prohibited player lists is the NBA. None of 227 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 5: the others do, and the prohibited better list that that 228 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 5: could be another tool for investigators here where where If 229 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 5: a if a sportsbook or a regulator has this massive 230 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 5: list of you know, twelve hundred NFL players active NFL 231 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 5: players and all their accompanying information is in front of them. 232 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 5: You know, social security number addresses, phone numbers that they like. 233 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 5: There they would be able to marry that. That list 234 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 5: with other forms of the investigation, you know, the location 235 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 5: of the of the better. Did he make the bet 236 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 5: inside a practice facility, did he make it on a 237 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 5: team plane? Did he make it in the hotel while 238 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 5: while the colts were in Denver the team boss or 239 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 5: something like that. But uh, on the other hand, they're 240 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 5: they're still loopholes, right, Simon did an awesome job before 241 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 5: are articulating all all the loopholes that are out there. 242 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 5: All all it takes is for a player's girlfriend to 243 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 5: to place the bet. That's an easy way to trace it. 244 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 5: According to our source, this account was opened up by 245 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 5: someone who was an associate of the player. But if 246 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 5: there's six degrees of separation there, if it's a player's 247 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 5: friends gardner's cousin, then it's harder to trace. If the 248 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 5: investigators don't have the PII of the player, it's going 249 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 5: to be really hard to detect if someone like this 250 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 5: is wazering. 251 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: All right, Matt listen, great work on the story, great 252 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: work on breaking it. I agree with Simon, there's going 253 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: to be more of them, so I would suggest go 254 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: fucking find him and break more of them. Matt Ribletowski 255 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: sports handle part of the better Collective Universe. We're super 256 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: proud of you. Excellent, excellent work, Simon. We're transitioning to 257 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: our friends from the Jenkins and Jones crew. Of course, 258 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: you know we're going to do it without the Jenkins 259 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: portion of the Jenkins and Jones crew because Jenkins John 260 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: is on vacation, so we're getting Tyler, We're getting Mike 261 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: Gardabasio as I was coming up the stairs from enjoying 262 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: my very healthy lunch and my sparkling water with an 263 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: orange slice. The last time we had these guys on 264 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago when we were doing 265 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: off season trivia and they were fucking hilarious and I 266 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: was trying to remember, like there was one thing that 267 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: made me laugh so hard. And then in our rundown 268 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: here Matt Mitchell, because he's an incredible producer, reminded us 269 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: of what we loved so much. And in honor of 270 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: Father's Day, which is coming up soon, here is a 271 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: special clip from two years ago Mike Garda Bassio speaking 272 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: about his dad. The last time this crew joined the show, 273 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: if you were elected at the Hall of Fame, who 274 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: was one person you would definitely not think in your 275 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: induction speech, John, I will. 276 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 6: Say missus Well's old, big hit ass. She was my 277 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 6: fifth grade teacher, that is for apra fucker. 278 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: She gave me like a d on a four page paper. 279 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 7: I wrote it like the mating Rituals of Salmon, and 280 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 7: she said I didn't write it. 281 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 6: She just didn't believe it. 282 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: Like we had ms doffs back then, you know what 283 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 3: I mean, How the fuck did I not write that? 284 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: Kids turned in like one paragraph reports and got aids. 285 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 7: I don't have a particular person, but I would just 286 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 7: like to like not thank the Utah Jazz for anything 287 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 7: they've ever done in my life as a basketball fan. 288 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 7: And their fucking fans are irritating and horrible, So I 289 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 7: would say, like, you know, the Utah Jazz, they're just 290 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 7: unbearable to me. 291 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: Mike, You're next my dad. 292 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 8: Wow, no one here is gonna name someone who made 293 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 8: their life harder than my dad. 294 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 4: Mad. 295 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 7: That's supposed to be like not funny, but it's not, 296 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 7: And I feel bad. 297 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 6: We're laughing this hard as that is. 298 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: Mike, Listen, you really gave it to your dad the 299 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: last time we were on the show. 300 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I stand by that. 301 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 8: Fair enough, he's done so nothing has changed in the 302 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 8: last two years. 303 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: So I guess in some ways I'm glad you haven't 304 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: reconciled because it just leads to more discomfort when we're 305 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: talking about it. But hopefully one day. All right, you guys, 306 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: You guys are opinionated guys on everything. So I want 307 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: to get from you, Tyler. Do you have thoughts on 308 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: the betting scandals that are proliferating in professional sports? 309 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 6: Yeah? 310 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 7: You know, we're in uncharted territory with all this gambling shit, 311 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 7: and of course you know that the leagues are going 312 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 7: to be real heavy handed with everything because they have 313 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 7: to protect the integrity of the game. They have to 314 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 7: let that their viewers know that there will not be 315 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 7: any you know, meddling between you know, the strength pullers 316 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 7: that control you. 317 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 6: Know, the Vegas money or whatever in these players. But 318 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 6: I'm just I just don't want to say how the 319 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 6: players are getting caught here. 320 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 7: Like I know, like I know that there are more 321 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 7: than these players who are called who are gambling, But 322 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 7: I'm just I just cannot believe that there are professional 323 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 7: athletes signing up for gambling sites, putting in their bull 324 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 7: legal names and expecting nothing is going to happen to them, Like, 325 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 7: you know, get your girlfriend or your wife or something 326 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 7: to set up in a count for you and her 327 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 7: name or something and do your actually there. But but 328 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 7: I don't get it, man, I just need not get 329 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 7: how players are getting caught here. 330 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 6: That's my biggest takeaway. 331 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 10: Mike, what's your take you know, just as a little context, 332 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 10: I'm not a gambling guy, but grew up in the 333 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 10: sports world in Long Beach, and so I have friends 334 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 10: from teenagers in high school who are athletes who love 335 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 10: doing parlays on their apps that they use a VPN 336 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 10: to get around the age restrictions, right up to the guys. 337 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 8: In the Century Club that I'm in here in Long 338 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 8: Beach are sixty seventy years old who are going to 339 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 8: the bookie at Legends, the original sports bar in Long 340 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 8: Beach back in the seventies and sixties. Right, I think 341 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 8: that there's an upside in a downside obviously to gambling 342 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 8: becoming more of a mainstream thing. But to me, it's 343 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 8: fun and I think that it is kind of challenging 344 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 8: to say to these athletes. You know, hey, we're building 345 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 8: up this gambling infrastructure around everything. Congress is still allowed 346 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 8: to trade stocks based on the things that they know 347 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 8: are happening. 348 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 9: By the way, to bet in the you know, the 349 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 9: real world marketplace. 350 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 8: But you can't put a parlay on you know, games 351 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 8: that are happening on a Monday night when you're sitting 352 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 8: at home with your friends, or we're going to ring 353 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 8: you up and knock you out. And I completely completely 354 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 8: agree with Simon and Tyler, like it's not the hardest 355 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 8: thing in the world to not get caught doing this. 356 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 8: But I also think it's like at some point, you know, 357 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 8: the cover is off the furniture here, the NFL is not. 358 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 8: They're not pretending that there's any other reason why they 359 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 8: have to get injury reports in right. It's like it's 360 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 8: now acknowledged that this is part of the infrastructure of sports. 361 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 8: And so I do think it would behoove them, just 362 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 8: from a endorsement and making it more mainstream perspective, behoove 363 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 8: them to come up with all the money that's being 364 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 8: generated out of this and ombudsman or something for each 365 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 8: team that is like, hey, you're going to put your 366 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 8: bets in through us so that we know you're not 367 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 8: betting on your team or whatever. But find a way 368 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 8: to remove this because otherwise it will be once a 369 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 8: month until eternity, someone you know gets stripped up and 370 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 8: rung up for doing this stuff. That's that's my take. 371 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 8: I think they need to find a way to bring 372 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 8: this into the light. Like you said, you know, sunlight's 373 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 8: the best disinfectant. 374 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 3: And the more you're. 375 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 8: Acknowledging, which everyone in the leagues knows what Simon said, 376 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 8: that all these guys are doing it, then at some 377 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 8: point you need to be smart and not have it 378 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 8: be you know, under the table where you're. 379 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 9: Going to have everything blowing up every now and then 380 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 9: like this. That's my take on it. 381 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: I think. 382 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 7: I think another point I was going to make is 383 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 7: that the reason gambling is a multi billion dollar industry 384 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 7: because every single gambler thinks they're smarter than the line sets. 385 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: Right. 386 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 7: So I can imagine how professional athletes who who are 387 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 7: seeing lines set on their league. 388 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 6: I can imagine how you know that Hubris just takes 389 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 6: them over, Like I can. 390 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 7: Imagine NFL players seeing the Panthers only plus seven versus 391 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 7: Kansas City. Are you kidding me, Like, like leen me 392 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 7: put on that. Understand that right, But like I said, 393 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 7: these guys just have. 394 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 6: To move smarter here. 395 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: Man, I love your idea about an ombudsman who is 396 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: sort of the funnel. Right, So let's say that that's 397 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: actually brilliant. You get a group of people who are 398 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: the filters for these guys making their bets. They're basically 399 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: proxies runners whatever you put them in each state, align 400 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: them with each team. 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What are your guys takeaways? Is are two games there? 446 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 8: We'll start with you, Mike, Well, yeah, Like so, I'm 447 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 8: a little bit of a numbers person. I have a 448 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 8: toe dipped into the analytics pool, right, and the question 449 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 8: has always been, if we play enough sports statistically, there 450 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 8: eventually has to be someone or something that never reverts 451 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 8: to the mean, Right, Yeah, there has to be some 452 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 8: outlier that's like, oh, wow, he hit. 453 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 9: What he was hitting four to seventy to start the season, and. 454 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 6: Then wow, it never he never reverted to the mean. 455 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 9: He just hit four seventy all the way through the heat. 456 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 8: Sort of feel like that to me, like maybe they 457 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 8: just never stopped shooting fifty percent from three. You know, 458 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 8: I think I went into this series I said nuggets 459 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 8: in five Tyler, I think you were nuggets in five 460 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 8: as well, Like, you know, we were all on the Nuggets. 461 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 8: I still think that's Nuggets is six. So I mean, 462 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 8: I still think that that's what happens. But they gave 463 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 8: me enough in game to to just be excited about 464 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 8: the statistical improbability of like what if they're just hot 465 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 8: for another two weeks and we look back on this forever, Like, 466 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 8: I don't know, an eight seed could just shoot fifty 467 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 8: percent for two months. 468 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know. 469 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 7: My takeaway with you know, from the is kind of 470 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 7: the same thing Mike said, is that if they've been 471 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 7: doing this for a whole postseason, it's not just them 472 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 7: having a hot hand, right, Like, you know, you can't 473 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 7: say that that they're you know, just just you know, 474 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 7: playing with house money. 475 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 6: Now, this is who they are. 476 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 7: I mean, they were a game seven away from going 477 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 7: to the finals last year, right, And I think a 478 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 7: lot of us we were kind of down on them 479 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 7: this season because you know, they stunk it out regular season. 480 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 7: We didn't see that they were a legit contender. But 481 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 7: they've proven to be a legit contender this this postseason. 482 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: I guess what's interesting here. And by the way, the 483 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: Nuggets right now on bet three six five our minus 484 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: two to eighty favorites to win the finals. Miami is 485 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: plus two thirty. What's really interesting, And everybody right now 486 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: in NBA circles is talking about this lack of regression 487 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: to the mean for the Heat and because everybody in 488 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: the NBA is such a fucking geek, like they are 489 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: so wrapped into the numbers, right, but that regression. Everyone 490 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: always assumes aggression happens on a game to game basis 491 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: or but the truth is the regression usually happens over 492 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: a much bigger data set. And so it's very possible 493 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: the Heat have zero regression in the rest of these finals. 494 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: It's very possible the Heat continue to be a superior 495 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: three point shooting team for the rest of these finals. 496 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: And it's also very possible that Michael Porter Junior never 497 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: finds his shot during the finals. That makes it an 498 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: entirely different series. And look, I love the Nuggets. I 499 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: had my biggest bet is Nuggets minus one and a 500 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: half in the series. So at least in six or 501 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: at most in six. But Tyler, I don't know, man 502 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: like this Heat team. They could be the exception to 503 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: every rule. 504 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 7: Yeah you know, I'm I'm not gonna you know, beat 505 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 7: down anyone who says that that they can see the 506 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 7: heat when of this, I just don't, you know, I 507 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 7: think that you know, we discussed some of the podcasts 508 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 7: and this is going to sound like the corneous, hoosier 509 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 7: ass ship that I've ever. 510 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 6: Said about basketball. 511 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 7: But I think the biggest takeaway from this postseason is 512 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 7: we're getting the two teams. 513 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 6: That played the most like a unit in this postseason, 514 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 6: right like, you. 515 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 7: Know, the Nuggets and the Heat shoe machines, you know, 516 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 7: just well old, you know, moving effortlessly. And but but 517 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 7: I do think that you know, when it comes down 518 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 7: to and and the reason why, you know, I was 519 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 7: picking the Heat over over these other squads, and I 520 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 7: was like, cause, you know, execution, discipline. 521 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 6: They're going to execute better than the Celtics. 522 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 7: They weren't a more talented team than the Celtics, but 523 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 7: they executed better and that's why they sent them home. 524 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 7: I think that now you know that they're going up 525 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 7: against a team that executes us as well, and they've 526 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 7: got better players. So I think that this is where 527 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 7: where that that heat you know, Disney story stops here. 528 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: Mike, do you you're you're the one who listen you 529 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: brought up the R word. What's your take on my take? 530 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 8: No, I agree with you, Like I think that the 531 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 8: analytics movement in sports is sort of tricky because it's 532 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 8: not actually like. 533 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 9: When you consider analytics in any other set. 534 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 8: You're not looking at games as being this incredibly important thing, right, You're. 535 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 9: Not looking at, oh, this next time we. 536 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 8: Flipped the coins for the championship or something, you know, 537 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 8: And so you're right, like the regressions do tend to 538 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 8: happen in more of like a longer wave pattern, and 539 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 8: everyone is just sort of going, this is the game 540 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 8: where they'll shoot ten percent from three, and that really 541 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 8: isn't how it works. 542 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 9: So, like I said, I'm still I'm not going to 543 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 9: hop off. 544 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 8: By my Nuggets prediction yet, but after watching Game two, 545 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 8: I did just start thinking, I'm like, well, maybe this 546 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 8: is maybe this is it. I don't know, I could 547 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 8: very well see that happening. 548 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: Simon. I know you want to jump in because I 549 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: thought Tyler's comment about these are and I don't. I 550 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: don't think it's corny to call it a hoosier comment. 551 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 8: But corny on our podcast, Corny on our podcast exactly. 552 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: But these two teams just playing like you know, unit basketball. 553 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: But if let's say there is this current scenario where 554 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: the Heat continue to outperform as a better what is 555 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: your strategy. Do you adjust for what you think might 556 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: be the Heat being on a roll, or do you 557 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: play the form, which is the expectation things will regress quickly. 558 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's tough. I would say. 559 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 4: Just looking at this Denver team, I don't think they've 560 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 4: played well in two straight games. And that could either 561 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 4: be because Spolscher has done so well coaching and scheming 562 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 4: up against them. Well, they're just a team that didn't 563 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 4: play basketball for nine days in a compet like, you know, 564 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: high level competition. And Michael Porters has not found his shot. 565 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 4: We've watched He's had back to back games where he's 566 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 4: been under his total two and a half threes. Like 567 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 4: that's a big deal for a Denver team that defenses 568 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 4: suck in when the joker has the ball, like when 569 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 4: he's when he does the ball in the middle, teams 570 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 4: like to come in on them, right, They like get 571 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 4: we've seen sposh and make an adjustment. Though he goes, 572 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 4: you know, well, we're not gonna suck in. We'll let 573 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 4: him take those shots rather than him dishing the ball. 574 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: To those three point guys. 575 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 4: So, I mean we talked about before we heading into 576 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 4: this Chad though the Heat had a big, big, big 577 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 4: advantage on the coaching side of the ball. Now again, 578 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 4: we could talk at Nash how lucky they got in 579 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 4: that game, but I would say it's better there's a 580 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 4: lot of pros they've just. 581 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: Been riding this this Heat run. 582 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 4: I mean, we've never seen a run like this in NBA, right, 583 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 4: We've never seen a team be constantly eight point nine 584 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 4: point underdogs and then went in on two fifty on 585 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 4: the money line plus two thirty on the money line. 586 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 4: So I would say the pros that have been on 587 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 4: the Heat, they've been riding it, and the pros I've 588 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 4: been against him, they lost a ton of money on 589 00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 4: that Milwaukee series. 590 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 3: They just haven't done shit since. 591 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 4: They just have not gone against them either, even when 592 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 4: those the Knicks, they didn't touch it. When it came 593 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 4: up to them against Boston, they were like, Okay, we'll 594 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 4: take them on the spread, but they really weren't touching 595 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 4: the series price or the money line. 596 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 3: I think a lot of these guys are trying to 597 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: flip Chad. 598 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 4: So I would say most pros I talked to coming 599 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 4: to this, coming into this series. 600 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: We're all in on, you know. 601 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 4: The Nuggets winning in six, the Nuggets winning in five, 602 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 4: I've seen them a lot of the tones changing now 603 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 4: where it's like, okay, heat in seven is not a 604 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 4: terrible bet. Like if this game does go seven, I 605 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 4: think we all can agree here. I mean, I want 606 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 4: to hear these guys' opinions. Wouldn't you take the heat 607 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 4: and game seven? I mean, this is the team that's 608 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 4: been tested, the Nuggets, They've been tested like they've not 609 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 4: been tested like this seat team. So we'll start you Tyler, like, 610 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 4: what do you think if this goes seven? You got 611 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 4: the heat in seven? If this does go to a 612 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 4: game seven. 613 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you know I do have the Nuggs six. 614 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 7: Or if it goes again seven, yeah, I'm running with 615 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 7: the heat. They've shown that, you know when game severals around, 616 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 7: they're the team with the bigger nuts. You know, there 617 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 7: was a quote from Damn in the post game where 618 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 7: you know, reporter ask them. 619 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 6: You know, it's it's been so many ups and downs 620 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 6: this postseason, and everyone's down to y'all. You know has 621 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 6: hasn't been stressed buy at all. 622 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 7: He's like, bro, this ship is fun, like you know 623 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 7: the the and usually you know a team that's that loose, 624 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 7: like in a game seven, that's the team that you 625 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 7: want to ride with. 626 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 6: So if it does go to game seven, I will 627 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 6: change my people. Like I said, I do have Nuggets six. 628 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know we could talk analytics, but we also 629 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 8: talk about nut sizing buttholes on. 630 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 9: The show, right, like. 631 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 6: How tight is your butthole? 632 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 8: You know, like I can see if you're asking me 633 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 8: who's got the diner buttholes in game seven, I will 634 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 8: for sure say the Nuggets, even being at home, even 635 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 8: knowing that they've got, you know, sort of an unanswerable 636 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 8: weapon in Jokic. I would for sure be on the 637 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 8: heat in a game seven for for all the reasons 638 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 8: Tyler just outlined. I mean, I just you know, it's 639 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 8: sort of a double edged sword, like running through the 640 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 8: playoffs the way the Nuggets have. But you know, you saw, 641 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 8: if you watch Michael Mallow's press conferences, which we watched 642 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 8: all of them, a very different guy after Game two 643 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 8: than he was after you know, a loss to a 644 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 8: team earlier on like there was always a narrative he 645 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 8: was pushing or the media had this wrong or whatever. 646 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 8: And after game too, he would you know the quote 647 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 8: that's stuck with me. He's like, it's the freaking Finals, Like, 648 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 8: no one should need to tell you to play defense 649 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 8: with energy, no one should need to tell you you 650 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 8: need to make deep shots, and like it just sounded 651 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 8: to me like a coach that was like, we hoped 652 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 8: all season that we get to this point and not 653 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 8: do this, and here we did it at home with. 654 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 9: A chance to go up too. 655 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 8: Oh you know so I sense a little bit of 656 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 8: a concern from their coach on how. 657 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 9: They would be in another situation like that. 658 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say a really smart pro I talked 659 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 4: too often. He's been around, no joke, he's probably been 660 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 4: betting for over fifty years. He said, this Heat team 661 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 4: reminds him of that Chiefs team of football where the Chiefs. 662 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 4: If peop don't remember this, the Chiefs were winning one 663 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 4: score games all season. They were in tight games all season. 664 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 4: Their playoffs, the Jaguars, I think they won that game 665 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 4: by seven. When they beat the Bengals, they won that 666 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 4: game by three. They got to the Super Bowl. They 667 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 4: were down big at halftime. Nothing wavered the Eagles team 668 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 4: who had never been in close games. 669 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 3: That's your waiver. So that's my I get where. 670 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 4: They're coming from, this whole Nuggets thing where it's like 671 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 4: the Nuggets, Yes, they've been dominant, but have they been 672 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 4: tested like this Heat team? Like this Heat team is 673 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: so damn mentally strong and Mike you just talked about 674 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 4: with Joker, I would love to hear your opinion on it. 675 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 4: Have you ever seen a player in the NBA that's 676 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 4: ever looked more hungover every game than Joker? 677 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 3: I mean, have you ever seen a guy like this? 678 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: I've been going through my head. 679 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 4: Is there ever a guy that I remember that looks 680 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 4: more like a ymcame player that's just so dominant in 681 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 4: this league? 682 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 3: I would love to hear your take on this. 683 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 8: I mean, you look sharper and fresher at seven thirty 684 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 8: am after an all nighter than Joker looks, you know. 685 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 9: During the MVP runs. 686 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 12: Bro. 687 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 9: Yeah, Like I think that's the that's both. 688 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 8: Like when we talked about you know, some of the 689 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 8: we had a we had Merrow on our show and 690 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 8: he was talking about like no one in the barbershop 691 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 8: gives a shit about like That's that's why it's like 692 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 8: some people I think have a hard time engaging with him, 693 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 8: and then some other people see him and are like, damn, 694 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 8: he's like me, but you know, infinitely better, you know 695 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 8: what I mean. 696 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 9: I think that's kind of his the double edged sort 697 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 9: of his appeal for sure. 698 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 7: I think it's kind of between him and Dirk for 699 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 7: that award, and this probably turns into like the Doe 700 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 7: white guyard right now, right, But Dirk used to be 701 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 7: out there and bust and ask him like he was 702 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 7: just you know, eighteen yeager bombs in Long Long Special. 703 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 3: And everything. 704 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: You know, what's interesting is your your analogy about the 705 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: Chiefs is spot on. But also the way Michael Michael 706 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: Malone is talking to his team or about his team. 707 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: I think Eric Spostra gives the best mid game interviews 708 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: because he's never clipped. He always gives the reporter time 709 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: and respect, and he is also talking about the game 710 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: when his team isn't doing well in a really honest way. 711 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: That isn't coach speak. It's mental speak. It's preparation spree speak. 712 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: It's I got our guys are really tight right now, 713 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: they really want this, right now it's talking about the 714 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 1: opportunities to play in a game seven, what it means 715 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: to be in a game seven, that perspective, like that's 716 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: a nuanced thing. But he is so much better at 717 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: it than every other coach. And when you talk about like, 718 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: you know, balls and assholes like he's got like he 719 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: is never clenched and his balls are always big, I. 720 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 6: Will say, I will say, you know, I agree with 721 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 6: all of that. 722 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 7: And this is kind of an LA did not like 723 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 7: you know, how he responded to Romona Shoveburn in that 724 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 7: post game. 725 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: I didn't see that out that I didn't watch it. 726 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 7: Well, well, you know, Ramona shove wur She prefaced her 727 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 7: common she said, you know, I know I'm probably oversimplifying things. 728 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 6: Here, but it looked like your strategy here was to 729 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 6: make yo with a score. 730 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 7: And and you know, Spode came back and said, oh, 731 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 7: that's just such an untrained eye take or what have you. 732 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 6: But that's basically what he did, right, Like, it's. 733 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: Exactly what he did, and that's right. 734 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 3: That's why he was mad that she brought it up. 735 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 7: Right, right, it's exactly and that's your best chance, and 736 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 7: that's your best chance against the Nuggets, Yokich is the 737 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 7: best offensive player in the league. And I want to 738 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 7: and when I say offensive player, I want to clarify 739 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 7: because I he people hear that and they defaulted best scorer. 740 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 7: He's not the best scorer in the league. He is 741 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 7: the best generator of points in the league, best scorer, 742 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 7: best passer combination in the league. Right, he is the 743 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 7: best offensive player in the league. So when your your 744 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 7: best chances against the Nuggets are, Okay, we're going to 745 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 7: get in Yokich's jersey, We're gonna play him tough one 746 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 7: on one. If he busts, I asked, one on one, 747 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 7: that's fine, but we're gonna stay home on the shooters. 748 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 6: We're not going to give him any any you. 749 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 7: Know, easy doms. And that's what they did and that's 750 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 7: how they won that game. So so I didn't appreciate Spoe, 751 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 7: you know, snapping on Ramona in that way. And I 752 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 7: think a big part of it was, Okay, I'm really 753 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 7: not gonna get up here helf strategy with the championship 754 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 7: on the line. 755 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 6: I think it was more that than anything. 756 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 9: But yeah, I think I think I think that's exactly it. 757 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 8: Because he also said the second half of his answer 758 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 8: was just talking about how great Yorkic is and how 759 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 8: much respect they have for him. 760 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 12: It was clearly a like no, no, no, no, we have 761 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 12: all the bulletin board material, Like, I'm not here to 762 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 12: give them any bullet He knows who's up against. 763 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 7: Mike Malone is like the most NBA Twitter ass coach 764 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 7: in the league. He is someone who knows all the 765 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 7: Twitter's storylines and narratives and all that, and so yeah, 766 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 7: he for sure does not. 767 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 6: What to give them any bulletboard. 768 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: So Ramona asked that question. Spoe, you know, goes back 769 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: at her, but we all agree that's what he was doing. 770 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: And even even. 771 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 7: Draymond Green said it right, like one of the greatest 772 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 7: basketball minds in the. 773 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: World, Draymond your colleague of the volume he had Steve 774 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: Kerran and they both agreed, you gotta to cut off 775 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: Jamal Murray. He's the head of the snake and that's 776 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: essentially what they're doing. So what Spoe is doing is 777 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: exactly what everyone thinks they should be doing. The question 778 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: is what does he do now? Right when you guys 779 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: look at this, what do you think he does? 780 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 3: I don't know. 781 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 7: I like the thing is Jamal Murray. That Western comrespondence 782 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 7: he had was just absurd. Thirty five points per game, 783 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 7: fifty forty ninety splits, like he went crazy, right. 784 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 6: So you know, if if you can, you know, cut 785 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 6: his water off a little bit, that's your best shot. 786 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 7: And you know, like I said, you know, you live 787 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 7: with Yogach busting your ass one on one and not 788 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 7: you know, being fucking doctor Strange with the dimes out there. 789 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean, I just I think I really 790 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 8: like defensive basketball, and I love watching this heat teams run, 791 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 8: Like to see a team switch like two three to 792 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 8: one two one, like to watch them flip zone matchups 793 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 8: around and see how you know, they're testing Jamal Murray's 794 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 8: ability to process that in the moment. You know, but 795 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 8: it feels very I told John to Tyler this, like 796 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 8: it feels very like high school college basketball. You just 797 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 8: don't really see that kind of an approach in the NBA. 798 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 8: So I would guess I don't think they're going to simplify. 799 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 8: I think that they will continue to try and get 800 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 8: more complex to sort of win that race, right of 801 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 8: like no, no, no, we don't want you to settle in 802 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 8: at all. 803 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 9: And then at some. 804 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 8: Point something changes there and. 805 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 9: Maybe they start trying to double Yokich or something, you know. 806 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,919 Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know, but I would guess that 807 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 8: until one thing about spoke, he will not change his 808 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 8: strategy until he has to change his strategy. Right, Like wait, 809 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 8: like where would you playing that at all? Like if 810 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 8: you run, if you run the ball for six yards again, 811 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 8: you just do it eighteen times in a row, right, 812 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 8: you know, I don't think the math adds up there, but. 813 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 9: You know what I mean? 814 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 8: So, I like, he will continue to run this type 815 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 8: of a coverage until it backfires. And I think if 816 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 8: you're going to Miami where the crowd is going to 817 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 8: be absolutely insane, and you're hoping basically just that the 818 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 8: shooters don't find the touch, like, that's a that's probably 819 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,479 Speaker 8: a decent bet to make as a coach. 820 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 4: Right now, of all these undrafted players that this Miami 821 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 4: Heat teams making us run with all these three and 822 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,959 Speaker 4: D guys, do you think is the most care free? 823 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,879 Speaker 3: Like who's playing with house money right now? 824 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 4: Out of all these guys that are undrafted in Miami, 825 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 4: We'll start with you, Mike gay. 826 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 8: Vincent was a UC Santa Barbara bro I mean with 827 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 8: all due respects, like he was playing Big West basketball. 828 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 8: If you've ever seen the gyms in the Big West, 829 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 8: like he was at UC Riverside in a high school gym, 830 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 8: he was at Seasun in a like fourteen hundred person gym. 831 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 8: That dude is playing in the NBA Finals. He knows 832 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 8: for sure that whatever happens over the next week, he 833 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 8: has a very nine figure type future ahead of him. 834 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 8: I think he's thoroughly enjoying his life right now. And 835 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 8: and Spoe, I think is the right coach to reinforce 836 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 8: that message to those dudes, because you don't see any 837 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 8: tension or hesitation in them at all, even after what 838 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 8: happened in the Celtics series. 839 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 9: They came in in Game seven, they were like, yeah, 840 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 9: we knew we're going to be Game seven, you know 841 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 9: what I mean. So he's the one. 842 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 6: He's the one. 843 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 9: To me, man, I haven't watched him play in college. 844 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 8: It's just like insane to see what he's getting to 845 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 8: do on our biggest stage right now. 846 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a sure gave missus to me too. 847 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 7: And he's got you know, his free agent the summer, 848 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 7: big payday on the way for him. It's crazy because 849 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 7: there was a run in Game two when when Gaye 850 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 7: Vincent was on the bench and there was like a 851 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 7: fifteen four run or something that that that the Nuggets 852 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 7: went on and I was just I was just like, bro, 853 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 7: you have to win the minutes without gave Vincent. And 854 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 7: that is not a thought I would have ever thought 855 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 7: that a championship team, what happens on there, bulletin board, 856 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 7: you know what I mean, the championship contendency win the 857 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 7: minutes about gave Vincent. 858 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 6: I never thought that would be a legit bullet point 859 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 6: for a championship was firing team, right, But that's where 860 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 6: that's where we are now. 861 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 7: Also, Duncan Robinson, man, he you know, he had a 862 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 7: chance to to lock that series up. Game six, miss 863 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 7: two threes, you know, versus Boston in the Eastern Commerce Finals. 864 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 7: You know, went to game, went to Boston, balled out. 865 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 7: Game seven was stalk ship to the crowd, stolar ship 866 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 7: in the Democrat game too. So you know he's loosey, 867 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,439 Speaker 7: goosey too. That's just kind of heat culture. Man, It's 868 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 7: just you know, keep firing, keep shooting, you know, you know, 869 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,919 Speaker 7: like I said, the loose boot the loose booty old team, 870 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 7: so you know that's kind of their day. 871 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: All right, guys, listen you you said it, but I 872 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: wanted on the record for official confirmation. The series is 873 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: tied one to one, Tyler, I'm starting with you. Who 874 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: wins the series? And in how many games? 875 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 6: Nuggets in game six? 876 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 7: In six games, and I do not see the Nuggets 877 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 7: winning three in a row. So I think they take 878 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 7: Game three, and I think that the Heat take Game four, 879 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 7: then five to six. 880 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: Go to dinner, Mike. 881 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 8: My original prediction was Nuggets in five. I would move 882 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 8: to Nuggets and six as well, and I think Tyler's 883 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 8: got it exactly right, except I will, well, no, actually no, 884 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 8: I think the Heat. 885 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 9: Win Game three, and then I think the Nuggets the. 886 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think I do. 887 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 8: I do think that Spoe has less arrows in the 888 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 8: quiver because of the talent differential that you talked about. 889 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 8: And I do think that Michael Malone is not spending, 890 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 8: however many hours a week watching the town, so I 891 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 8: do think that he will have an answer to that, 892 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 8: and at some point there is an answer for the 893 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 8: Nuggets that the Heat will not be able to respond to. 894 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 9: So I will I will go with Nuggets in six. 895 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: All right, there you have it, Nuggets and six. Listen, 896 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: we like the Nuggets and six two. It's the biggest 897 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: bet I have. Like I said, I. 898 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 9: Know, when did you make When did you get in 899 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 9: on that? 900 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: I bet it? Before the series, I had Nuggets minus 901 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: one and a half, so I essentially need them to 902 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: win in five or six games another. 903 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 6: Like minus four hundred before the series kicked off. Now 904 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 6: they're down at like minus two eighty, is it? 905 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: I think yes, minus two eighty at Bet three sixty five. 906 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: You know, by the way, if you still like the Nuggets, 907 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: you're getting it cheaper than you did before started. 908 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 6: That's a good price right there. 909 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right? 910 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 1: Tyler aka Dragonfly Jones Mike Cardobasio from The Jenkins and 911 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: Jones Podcast, thanks so much for coming on. 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