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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a couple of insurance fraud stories.

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Speaker 1: Novelty a rectile dysfunctioned chocolates that have actual, real hidden

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Speaker 1: medications in them. A really bizarre story about a woman

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Speaker 1: who thinks she's a pedophile but it turns out she's not.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know thoughts, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how I feel about that. Still, then we'll end the

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Speaker 1: episode answering the question we're all dying to know. What

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Speaker 1: is a sperm shower? And it is not what you

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Speaker 1: are thinking. All that in moral today's episode.

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Speaker 2: All right, so first let's start off with this most

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Speaker 2: outrageous amount of story. So, police in the Pall are

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Speaker 2: claiming that over thirty Mount Ever skides were part of

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Speaker 2: to get millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess they were either they themselves were

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Speaker 1: poisoning some of the climbers, and I don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: how they were poisoning, but they were trying to mimic

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Speaker 1: that they were having altitude sickness, so then they would

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Speaker 1: have to get rescued off of the mountain, call a medavac,

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Speaker 1: and bring them to the hospital. And this was some

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Speaker 1: kind of big scheme between all of these people, like

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Speaker 1: let's see how many people we could metavac off of

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Speaker 1: this mountain. It ends up that they did one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy one metavacs that were considered to be unnecessary.

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Speaker 2: So this there was a couple ways in which they

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Speaker 2: were doing it. So one way was that they were

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Speaker 2: waiting for a climber to have reached a certain altitude

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Speaker 2: to get some symptoms of altitude sickness, and then they

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Speaker 2: would urge them to take Diamoc's tablets and drink an

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Speaker 2: excessive amount of water, which ended up making it worse.

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Speaker 2: Or b they were putting baking soda into their food

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Speaker 2: when they weren't looking, because apparently it would mimic the

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Speaker 2: same symptoms. Or see, they were straight up telling the

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Speaker 2: climbers like, if you don't feel like climbing back down,

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Speaker 2: you could just fake being sick and we'll call the helicopter.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So the first two. The first two, so aside

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Speaker 1: from this insurance fraud scheme. If I, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: climbing Mount Everest is one of the top things a

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Speaker 1: human could do, yes, right, and people trained for years

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Speaker 1: to do it. If I found out that I got

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Speaker 1: to that point in my life and was on this

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Speaker 1: climb and someone poisoned me, because that's what happened in

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Speaker 1: both cases, or tricked me into thinking that I needed

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Speaker 1: something and I had to stop it before I got

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Speaker 1: to the top, or like you know, people or people

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Speaker 1: might there's a rare amount of people that actually get

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Speaker 1: to the top, but the higher you go, the more

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Speaker 1: streak cred you get, right, so you're cutting it short.

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Speaker 1: Because of this reason, it also costs people a ton

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Speaker 1: of money to do this, Like there has to be

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Speaker 1: some kind of lawsuits and stuff associated with this, just

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Speaker 1: from the people who were climbers in addition to the

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Speaker 1: insurance fraud.

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Speaker 2: This is what I found super interesting is that police

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Speaker 2: but I guess at that time they couldn't prove it

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Speaker 2: case and discovered that between twenty twenty two and twenty

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Speaker 2: The scheme generated twenty million dollars because the helicopters and

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Speaker 2: this they're also alleging that the local hospitals were in

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Speaker 2: these international insurance companies because a lot of these climbers

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Speaker 2: the incidents and exactly what occurred because of this remote

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Speaker 2: area in Nepal. So they were just paying out and

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Speaker 2: then I'm assuming at that point the guides would be

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Speaker 1: And I know this sounds corny because there's commercials about

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Speaker 1: this all the time, but insurance fraud really does hurt everyone.

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Speaker 1: It makes everyone. We had a big case of it

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Speaker 1: It's just like when they're stealing this money, it comes

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Speaker 1: this twenty million dollar in short, it's fraud. Are they

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Speaker 1: ever going to get that money back? No? Probably not.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll get some of it, but like they're never

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Speaker 1: like you always see these like didn't they just say that,

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Speaker 1: Like Brian Coburger is getting sued for all this money,

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Speaker 1: and it's just like, well, nobody's ever getting that money,

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Speaker 1: because where's he ever getting that money? You know, Like

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Speaker 1: it's that kind of a thing. Yeah, I guess that.

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Speaker 2: I mean with him, it's especially dumb because it's like,

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Speaker 2: I guess the point is to like drown somebody in

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Speaker 2: But he's never gonna out of prison, so like what's

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Speaker 2: the point and what's he make two cents an hour

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Speaker 2: making license plates? Like it just it doesn't make any

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Speaker 2: sense at all why he would put somebody in so

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Speaker 2: many millions of dollars of debt that you were never

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Speaker 2: gonna see it, unless it's just the principle of being like,

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Speaker 2: f you for what you did to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean that's probably the case in that case,

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Speaker 1: but in this one too. It's just like whenever there's

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Speaker 1: desperate for money, and they spend the money. So the

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Speaker 1: money's gone, So how are the insurance companies getting their

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Speaker 2: And it's not like five rogue guides were involved. Thirty

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Speaker 2: two guides were charged. That's a lot of people, and

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Speaker 2: that they're saying just in a three year time span

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Speaker 1: No, a lot of times it does. Like the one

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Speaker 1: It was a bunch of people involved from multiple different levels, doctors,

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Speaker 1: people like, it was like a whole chain of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't believe these people meet up. We

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Speaker 2: say this all the time, like about pedophiles in particular,

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Speaker 2: especially when it's like a couple doing it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, I personally know someone that was doing it,

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Speaker 1: it and think, you know, it's a get rich quick

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Speaker 1: a movie Office Space when he goes up to his

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Speaker 1: friend and he's just like, no, we're just taking fractions

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Speaker 1: you're going to get caught. Like that's why that movie

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Speaker 1: is so funny, because you could see how people fall

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Speaker 1: for it easily and try to sell it like they're

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Speaker 1: looking at it and they're just like, yeah, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: not touching that with a ten foot pole. Though.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of I got a new printer, so I said

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Speaker 2: my printer my old one in the backyard, smash it

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Speaker 2: up exactly all right? So, speaking of theft, a former

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Speaker 2: which is very close to us, has been charged after

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Speaker 1: So one thing I loved about this story that I

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Speaker 1: just annoying because I'm like, why don't you just name

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Speaker 1: I found another one that said it was Cooper ABC.

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Speaker 1: It was like, I'm giving birth. No it's not, it's

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Speaker 1: the other one. So anyway, it's it's actually we I

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Speaker 1: Medtronic infused bone graph devices, which basically are used to

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Speaker 1: In that particular area. So she was pretending to be

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Speaker 2: Was impersonating, like a medical supply sales rep and selling

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, but so it all kind of went and

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Speaker 1: I am curious because it's it's like, you know, you

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Speaker 1: It's just like, why are they protecting her? I don't

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Speaker 2: But on the prosecutor website they named her and everything

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Speaker 2: inside where she lived, and they've yeah, went through exactly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you can find her Facebook pay all

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Speaker 1: like how this went down in the hospital. But they

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Speaker 1: she was ordering these supplies and the hospital was just like, wait,

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Speaker 1: what we're actually using. Like they they figured it out

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Speaker 1: at any hospital that's got their shit squared away could

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Speaker 1: easily figure this out because they're like, for example, when

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Speaker 1: we had a like a essentially like a credit card

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Speaker 1: to order Staples supplies, right, and you could, if nobody's

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Speaker 1: really watching you, you could order like shit to supply

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Speaker 1: your your husband's business that he employs fifty people, like

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't notice if nobody's paying attention. Well, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: could totally do that, and that's exactly what she was doing.

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Speaker 2: I guess what triggered them at first was in October

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Speaker 2: then they were like, well, as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: in needing them, so that was weird. And then they

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Speaker 2: caught her in December leaving the hospital with medical supplies.

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Speaker 2: So then when they reviewed other CCTV with her in it,

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Speaker 2: they realized she was frequently coming to work with a

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Speaker 1: Like what an idiot? Yeah, really, like what I'm just

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Speaker 1: trying to think, Like you're asserts checking your work in there, Like,

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Speaker 1: how do you even come up with this idea? I

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Speaker 1: Okay, So these these erectile dysfunction I would call it

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Speaker 2: I firstly like that they're called afrodisiac chocolates. So several

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Speaker 1: So this is the deal. Things like that that you

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Speaker 2: I've literally never seen these things before, and now that

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Speaker 1: let's talk about all right, talk about this sperm shower.

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Speaker 2: So this woman who's going going through IVF is going

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Speaker 1: So I know someone that had a sperm donor and

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that just pop up if you're dating something, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you don't really know what's going to happen with

435
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: that for this very reason because you don't know what

436
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: the people are going to do with it. But apparently

437
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: it's just what they looked like when they were a

438
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Speaker 1: little kid. And then all their stats like how educated

439
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: they are, what their background is, just things like that,

440
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: how tall they are.

441
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: Her scorecard could rank appearance, health, vibes, et cetera.

442
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: She said. Some of the depending on the bank, some of.

443
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: Their profiles had information like SAT scores, birthweight, GPA, personality.

444
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: Type, et cetera.

445
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: They made it even more fun by having what was

446
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: called a nacho daddy bar, like a not too bar,

447
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: and then one of her friend's moms brought over a

448
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: sperm cake they call I think they called the Seltzer.

449
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Like they had a bucket of like fizzies and like

450
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 2: you know, like just like selter and they called it

451
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: like the fizzy jizzy bar.

452
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: So gross.

453
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Speaker 2: I don't know, like I think this is a cool

454
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: way to approach it. It's obviously, like going through IVF

455
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: is really difficult. This is a hard decision to make,

456
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Speaker 2: Like she kind of said, it goes in between a

457
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Speaker 2: bachelorette party and a baby shower of sorts. I think

458
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Speaker 2: if you have friends that are supportive of what you're

459
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Speaker 2: doing and they're gonna be cool about it, and they

460
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: could come over and make it a fun situation and

461
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 2: actually really help you, Like she said, everybody that came

462
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: took it really seriously, and like she did end up

463
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Speaker 2: finding a good sperm donor from it.

464
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Speaker 1: So I'm just curious, like how honest are people, because

465
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about medical history, like are you actually

466
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Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, I have a history of cancer in

467
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: my family and stuff like that, Like.

468
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Speaker 2: Well, haven't we covered stories where people were not in

469
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: the past, and then remember we had that one where

470
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Speaker 2: like all those people were getting that rare form of

471
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Speaker 2: cancer from the one sperm donor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm saying. Like, of course, everyone's

473
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: gonna sound pretty good, like I have. I know that

474
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Speaker 1: you could prove things like what your birth weight was

475
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: and how tall you are and different personality type things.

476
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Speaker 1: But people aren't gonna report the negatives. How are you

477
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Speaker 1: gonna say, like.

478
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Speaker 2: I have tockead well, I have to imagine, like with

479
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: the genetic component that at this point definitely they're gonna

480
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: have to get blood testing done or that there has

481
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Speaker 2: to be certain credentials for the sperm bank to even

482
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: accept it as a viable donation, right.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not gonna like how in depth is

484
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Speaker 1: that really it? Do'll me test everything under the son.

485
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Speaker 2: Unpopular opinion maybe, but like I think, if you know

486
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: your sat score.

487
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: Your guts, like I couldn't tell you what mine was.

488
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Speaker 2: I'm thirty one years old, who gives a shit?

489
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Speaker 1: Well, if you're trying to sell your sperm, yeah, if

490
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: you're like eighteen and you just took it and you remember,

491
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: But like if you're in your thirty teking about your score.

492
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Speaker 1: Like I want to say this that I have a

493
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Speaker 1: master's degree. My husband has a master's degree and a doctorate,

494
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: and like we never took the SATs, Like why does

495
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Speaker 1: it even matter. I don't understand it.

496
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Speaker 2: It doesn't like I took them. I did well enough

497
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Speaker 2: to get into colleges with it.

498
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Speaker 1: Why do you even need it to get into college?

499
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: Like I didn't need it to get into college, gave

500
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Speaker 1: didn't need to get I just don't really understand it.

501
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: Well. I think they're going back on that now because

502
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: like somebody like me, for example, I do really Maybe.

503
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: This is why I'm bitter about it. Somebody's gonna call

504
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: me out.

505
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: Somebody like me does really poorly on like those state

506
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: tests and tests like that, but like in general, I

507
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: did really well. I had straight a's in school, you know,

508
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: so I feel like my academics weren't really reflecting on

509
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: those tests necessarily. I obviously passed enough to get into

510
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: like I got accepted into Drexel, and I think they

511
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: had certain standards of what your score had to be

512
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: to get in at the time I was applying there.

513
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: But I think college is starting to pull back on

514
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: that because you're seeing how fucking pointless it is.

515
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're saying starting to like, I like, I

516
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: graduated almost twenty years ago from grad school at this point.

517
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's stupid.

518
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just really don't get it. I

519
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: didn't I mean, I didn't go the traditional you know,

520
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: I dropped out of high school, so I didn't go

521
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: to high school for four years and then and then

522
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: go to college right from there. So maybe that's why.

523
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: But like if you could backdoor it, then just like

524
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I listen, I agree with you.

525
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: I think it's unnecessary stress on a teenager and it

526
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: doesn't really attribute anything. I know, people that got really

527
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: high on say to scores that I went to high

528
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: school with that are total fucking losers now, so.

529
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: Like what does it matter? All right, let's finish up

530
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: with this last story, which is I don't really even

531
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: know how to feel about this.

532
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the most outrageous headlines

533
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: I've ever had to stay on here, twenty two year

534
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: old woman worried she's a pedophile, only to be diagnosed

535
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: with a rare form of OCD.

536
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: So this woman I've never heard of this. I'm sure

537
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: some of you guys have. I just never heard of this.

538
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: When she was fifteen years old, started having constant sexual

539
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: and violent thoughts about children. She thought she was a

540
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: pedophile and a rapist and could harm somebody else, and

541
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: she just was obsessing over it for years of her

542
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: life until she saw a TikTok video that described this

543
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: condition called pedophilia themed upset of compulsive disorder, and then

544
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: she realized that she probably had that and went to

545
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: a doctor and got diagnosed with it. So I guess

546
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: you're saying the same thing that everybody's saying, like, what

547
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: what's the difference between that and a person that's a pedophile?

548
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was gonna say. And it's like,

549
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: I guess, her whole life she struggled with some form

550
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: of anxiety and panic attacks, and at first her obsession

551
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: was getting kidnapped or dying, and then when she was fifteen,

552
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: it shifted to these pedophilic thoughts, and then she sees

553
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: this TikTok at nineteen, but she still doesn't get the

554
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: formal diagnosis for years after that, like she was going

555
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: to therapy but not being honest with them about the

556
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: thoughts and then finally when she did and suggested this

557
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: based on this TikTok, she saw she got the diagnosis.

558
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: But like my argument is is like it is like

559
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 2: I don't even think I could get this out correctly.

560
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: What is the differen diference between her and another pedophile?

561
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: Like you're having thoughts of doing it and then one

562
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: just crosses the line to actually doing it.

563
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: No, it's different because from what I gathered from it,

564
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: it's like you're having these intrusive thoughts that keep coming

565
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 1: up because your mind keeps going on repeat, even though

566
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: you don't want to keep thinking about it, Like that's

567
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: the thing. You don't want to be thinking about it,

568
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: and those thoughts do not align with your moral values,

569
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: whereas with a pedophile, like it's a sexual deviant behavior

570
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: that they want.

571
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if that's true necessarily, because I

572
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: feel like we've covered pedophilia cases in the past where

573
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: they're like, I don't want to be like this, but

574
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: I can't help it, and they just do it. Like

575
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: I think that most pedophiles are able to identify the

576
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: thoughts and behavior and also identified to some extent that

577
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: it is wrong.

578
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: She's yeah, but she doesn't like just but she doesn't

579
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: want it, though I understand, like they they think, they

580
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: might think it's wrong, but they still want it. Like

581
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: she doesn't want it.

582
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, but I'm saying in some pedophile

583
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: cases we have covered, they too say they don't want it,

584
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: but they couldn't override the part of their brain that

585
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: made them act on it. But they don't want to

586
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: be like that, but they can't help but do it.

587
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: So I guess I'm just confused. Like personally, I think

588
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: this whole story. If this was me, I'd keep it

589
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: to my fucking self, like I would never go to

590
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: the press and talk about this. And she's trying to

591
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: get the stigma away with it because I guess this

592
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: affects a lot of people, and I'm trying to understand that. Well.

593
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: She's saying that people are reaching out to her, saying like, yeah,

594
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: I think about like bludgeoning my children to death all

595
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: the time, and I have obsessive thoughts about it. I'm

596
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: just like, okay, like exactly people are gonna start. I mean,

597
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: this is the thing though, Like, and this is where

598
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: I kind of don't always think that they're is a

599
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: great idea because like therapy is good if you go

600
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: to the therapist and you're honest with them one hundred percent,

601
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: but like a lot of people aren't, and mostly like

602
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you did a surgery a survey, like

603
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't say a lot of things

604
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: that are going on in their life. Oh absolutely so,

605
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: So there's like a limitation to that. And I guess

606
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: she's trying to say, I was holding this in because like,

607
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go to a therapist and talk about

608
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: your anxiety and they're gonna say, well, what are you

609
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: anxious about? And you're not gonna say, like, oh, I

610
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: want to cut heads off of children, Like you you're

611
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: scared to say that out loud because you think you're

612
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: gonna go get committed somewhere, Like people are scared to

613
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: say that out loud, And she's just trying to be like,

614
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: I kept it in all this time, and then it's

615
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: actually a thing, And if I would have said something

616
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: out loud, I might have got identified earlier, and then

617
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: we could have got to the root of the problem.

618
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: So I do like when it's described to me as

619
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: it was in this way, and when I read about

620
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: it through medical like legitimate medical websites and stuff. I

621
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: do think that there's a difference between the thoughts, the

622
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: obsessive thoughts of like something like OCD is a problem.

623
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: You don't have it, so maybe you don't really realize

624
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: how it is, but it's like a thought pops in

625
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: your head and you just like can't make those thoughts

626
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: go away, and you you know, I understand.

627
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: I understand that I'm saying, though Like, let's say in

628
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: the future, somebody does commit a pedophilic act on a

629
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: child and then they're like, well, I have this condition,

630
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: Like is this a defense?

631
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: No, because you're not. You're not acting on it. You're

632
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: just thinking about it, Like you wouldn't act on it

633
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: unless you wanted to do it.

634
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: But what if the thoughts are so intrusive that your

635
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: brain thinks you have to act on it, Like this

636
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying, Like I feel like at some

637
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: point you could cross the threshold of actually doing it

638
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: because the thoughts are so intrusive in your brain. I

639
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: understand they're trying to say, like the difference between this

640
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: and being a pedophile is like wanting to do it

641
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: versus not. But I just think that's a really fine

642
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: line or people could be using this as an excuse

643
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: in the future. I'm just having a really hard time

644
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: wrapping my brain around it, like I understand what you're

645
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: explaining to me. I'm just saying I could see this

646
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: going wrong. But if you do it, then you want

647
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: to do it, not necessarily because you guess you could

648
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: argue of a mental illness.

649
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: That made then thought it. Oh yeah, but the mental

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Speaker 1: what would the mental illness be, like schizophrenia?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Like why do other pedophiles do what

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Speaker 2: they want to do?

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Speaker 1: Like because they're pedophiles. It's not to say, like that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say, like if you if you

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Speaker 1: want to do it versus not want to do it,

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Speaker 1: like you're having thoughts of things that you don't you know,

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Speaker 1: like think of it with other OCD stuff like the

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Speaker 1: washing the hand situation and all that stuff, like but

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Speaker 1: do they want to provide.

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Speaker 2: Hands or they can't? Like this is what I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to to say. In real OCD, do they want to

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Speaker 2: wash their hands forty times in a row or does

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Speaker 2: their brain make them do it and they don't even

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Speaker 2: realize they're doing it?

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Speaker 1: Well, your brain doesn't make you do stuff. It's you

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Speaker 1: have control over what you do, like your brain, Like

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Speaker 1: your brain's not like Nicole, go get in the car

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Speaker 1: and drive like you're the one that's doing the You're

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Speaker 1: the one that's in control of that.

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Speaker 2: But the argument I'm trying to make is like, if

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Speaker 2: your OCD tells you you need to shut a door

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Speaker 2: seventeen times before you can leave the house, do you

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Speaker 2: want to shut the door seventeen times? Are you doing

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Speaker 2: it as a response to the intrusive thoughts? You're doing

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Speaker 2: it as a response, I suppose yes. So in the

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Speaker 2: pedophilia version of this, you might not want to harm

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Speaker 2: a child like that, but your intrusive thoughts might be

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Speaker 2: directing you in that way, is what I'm trying to say. So, like,

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Speaker 2: I just need more information this. I'm not saying she's

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Speaker 2: a predator or anything. I just think it's kind of

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Speaker 2: a wild thing to come out with and your faces

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Speaker 2: all over people magazine talking about this condition.

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Speaker 1: I think the picture's funnier because she's wearing like this

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Speaker 1: soft pink sweater and she's like this young pretty girl

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Speaker 1: that's just smiling, and you're just like I think it's

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Speaker 1: good awareness because people don't a lot of times when

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Speaker 1: people think about OCD, it's just like they just think

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Speaker 1: about the classic things that you think of of, like

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Speaker 1: like you just said with the door handle and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and it's not just that, it's just like repeated intrusive

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Speaker 1: thoughts like that's that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, like I just I just think

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