1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lully. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: it's Wednesday. Uh, I believe it's Wednesday. All my days 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: are running together again here I sit in the hotel. 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 2: You know, this is what you do when you go 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: travel to do this kind of stuff, and you just 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: kind of lose. 8 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Track of days here. 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: But I'm down in Mobile, Alabama here for the Senior Bowl. 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Lots of stuff. We talked a lot about that yesterday, but. 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: I wanted wanted to dive deeper today, Matt into maybe 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: some of the big winners for the Steelers, of the 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: Steelers hiring of Arthur Smith as their new offensive coordinator, 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 2: and and I think there are going to be some big, 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: big winners out of this. And it goes way beyond 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: just the quarterback agreed or fantasy stats or right right. 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: You know, obviously Nause Harris and Jalen Warren are going 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: to like this offense. They're going to run the football, 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: and they're going to run the football a lot. You know, 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: if you look at Arthur Smith's track record, I believe 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: the offense is that he's coordinated or coached have been 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: in the top ten in terms of rushing attempts in 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: four out of their five years. The one year that 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: he wasn't was his first year in Atlanta when they 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: really didn't have a true lead back. 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were also playing from behind so much too. 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: They were a terrible team. 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and still went seven to ten, by the way, 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, as bad as they were. I mean we 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: talked about it that season, how they really outplayed their talent, 31 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: no question about it. 32 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, I do think the backs will be used 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: a lot here, you know, and should be. I'm not 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: going to say even more Harris, but he has favored 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: a big back, a big pounder. But I do think 36 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: Warren will get plenty of run. Just watching Bijeon last year, 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean he was used a lot in the passing game, 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, one I mean Warren's pass receiving skills might 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: be a little untapped, and he was still amongst the 40 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: NFL leaders and a lot of receiving statistics. I mean, 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: I could see him being used more even in the 42 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: passing game as long as well as a runner and 43 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: Nausey being the Derrek Henry type. 44 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: Well that's the other you know, We've talked for several 45 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: years now about Najee Harris and his receiving skills. Yeah, 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: and I feel like those have been untapped a little bit. 47 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: You know, after his first year he caught a lot 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: of balls. He did, but they weren't anything you know, crazy, 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: It wasn't it. You know, they weren't flanking him out, 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: and you know, they were more dump offs. Yeah, yeah, 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: where I think I think there's very tu Yeah, there's 52 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: more there for him. 53 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: Thought that all along. 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: I mean, like anyone that's watched practice or watched his 55 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: Alabama tape, I mean he is I always say it 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: was catching radius. 57 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: He has extremely long arms and he. 58 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: Catches the ball really well over his head, away from 59 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: his frame without losing speed downfield. And I think he's 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: a good enough route runner. 61 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that he'll ever be left bell from 62 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: that regard, but I mean he's a good enough route 63 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: runner to do more than just dump it to him 64 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: in the flats, which basically was his rookie year. You know, 65 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: you got to mention he did catch a lot of balls, 66 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: but the degree of difficulty wasn't very high. It was 67 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: just turn around and you're the outlet receiver. Yeah, but 68 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: as you know, I mean, one thing, the Falcons did 69 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: a lot more than the Steelers did is they had 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: Augier and Vjon on the field together, you know. I 71 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: mean the Lions have done a fair amount of that. 72 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: I'd like to see more pony packages just to get 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: your best five on the field, and I think they'll 74 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: do that. 75 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's interesting, you know when you look at 76 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: the usage of twelve personnel and you know they again 77 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: we talked about that yesterday, all the different packages that 78 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: he utilizes, but not much eleven. And the Steelers they 79 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: were over seventy percent of their offensive snaps last year. 80 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: We're an eleven personnel. Yeah, so that's going to have 81 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: to Well, one of the two is going to change. 82 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Either he's going to play more eleven than he did 83 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, which I would bet this probably in the cards, 84 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: but I think it's safe to say that the Steelers 85 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: use of eleven is going to go down dramatically. 86 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. I just wonder how much of that because if 87 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: you look at Atlanta's receivers last I mean, yeah, they 88 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: had two good tight ends, kl Pits and Johnny Smith. 89 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: Both of those guys had more than fifty catches last year. Yeah, 90 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 2: I know, it didn't necessarily seem like that at times, 91 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: but it was true. You know, Drake London had a 92 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: good year, not a great year, but I think that 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: was more held back by the quarterback play. And then 94 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: there's really not another receiver there that you look at, 95 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: you know. I mean you're talking about guys like Van 96 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: Jefferson and Mac Collins, and you know these guys are 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: not good for NFL receivers. No, No, I think that 98 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: has a lot to do with it is you know, 99 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: we mentioned we didn't mention this yet, but they did 100 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: use a fullback close to two hundred snaps. 101 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: So if you're gonna use it full back two hundred snaps, 102 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna use both backs on the field together a 103 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: reasonably amount of time by NFL standards, You're gonna have 104 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: both those tight ends on the field a good bit. 105 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: And contrary to popular belief, Bijon was on the field 106 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean he played over eight hundred snaps, 107 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: and that includes the game where he only played like 108 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: two or three snaps, you know, because he was sick 109 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: or had migraine or whatever that. 110 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: Was he had. I mean, he actually had two hundred 111 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: and fourteen carries and fifty eight catches, so I mean 112 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: the usage was well over you know, you're talking two 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy touches. 114 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: And you also, you know, got over two hundred touches out. 115 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: Of Tyler Aljira, who, by the way, was coming off 116 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: a thousand yard season. Yeah. 117 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, not a bad player at all. Yeah, not like 118 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: he is a you know, a bomb. 119 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: I mean, Bjeon Robinson had fourteen almost fifteen hundred yards scrimmage. Yes, 120 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: it was a very comparable season to what Najee Harris 121 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: had his rookieyear. 122 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: And he did basically miss a whole game even though 123 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: he was active for it. 124 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: He played like three or four. 125 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: Snaps that game. And there is some talk. I mean, 126 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people that have been hard 127 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: on Smith about the Beijon usage, But I've also seen 128 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people say, and that's overblown if you 129 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: really break it down, it's not as quote bad as 130 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: people think, because again, a year is a good player. 131 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: And much like the Steelers did with their rookies, he 132 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to save them a little bit, you know. 133 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: I mean, they were in the hunt and they did 134 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: not want to beat the crap out of vjoh On early. 135 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: But you're right. 136 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: I mean I do think London played a lot, of course, 137 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: but the other wide receivers certainly are not. 138 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: Dangerous. 139 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not your best players. So I would 140 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: think that the use of eleven goes up pretty heavily 141 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: from what he's used to. Yeah, I mean. 142 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that's that's going to be the 143 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: case here. But you know, they have there are better 144 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: weapons overall for the Steelers, and they then I think 145 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: that what he had in Atlanta, even though they had 146 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: spent I mean this was last season, was really the 147 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: first year that they had. I mean they had spent 148 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: three top ten picks on three skill position players in 149 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: his years there, adding uh, you know, Kyle Pitts, and 150 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: then adding Drake London, and then I think b Jon Robinson. 151 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: I think the new coaching staff down there, Raheem Morris 152 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: and his crew are going to. 153 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: Benefit from that. 154 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: No I add to that that group, I would think, 155 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: I think, but he comes into a situation in Pittsburgh 156 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: where these guys are a little more established already. 157 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: Yes, and I do expect the Steelers to add some 158 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: sort of wide receiver into the mix as well. With 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: Alan Robinson likely leaving, maybe that's less of a priority 160 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: now than it would have been with a different hire. 161 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's a third round pick on a 162 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: second round pick or you know what I mean. But 163 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: I do think that if anything, they're going to add 164 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: to their weapons as opposed to, you know, be less there. 165 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: And even a Darnell Washington should be that. 166 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: You know, you open the show actually with winner, you know, 167 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: like who benefits from this. I think Darnell Washington could 168 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: be one that benefits a lot. Maybe Connor Hayward, you know, 169 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: just in terms of using them a little differently. Snap 170 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: counts going up, certainly for Iarmooth, I think benefits. 171 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so as well. 172 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: You know, when you look at the overall targets for 173 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: the Falcons last year, London had one hundred and ten. 174 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: Then you had Cale Pitch with ninety. 175 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody would have guessed that Kyle Pitch 176 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: had ninety targets last year and was second on the 177 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: team in targets. Yeah, they tried it to use him. 178 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: He ended up with fifty three catches. So I mean this, 179 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: you know, you're just it was a fifty eight point 180 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: nine percent catch rate because he was more of the 181 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: down the field tight end and the quarterbacks just we're very. 182 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: Good, very high average. That's the target for Pits. 183 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, so he's he's called a tight end, 184 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: but he's a field stretcher and his degree of difficulty 185 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: was much higher than most too. 186 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 187 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: Then you're looking at Bijon Robinson with eighty six targets, 188 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 2: and then it's Johnny Smith with seventy and beyond that, 189 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: nobody else on that roster had more than thirty targets. 190 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, part of it because they don't throw 191 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: the ball at time, and I'm sure the number of 192 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: targets and the number of pass attempts will be higher, 193 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: I would think, you know, going, I mean they did 194 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: throw out five hundred that they were almost fifty to 195 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: fifty split. 196 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: Brother, Yeah, five hundred and eight passing targets, and they 197 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: ran the ball five hundred and twenty two times. You 198 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: had the sacks and those kind of things into it. 199 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: You know, you're looking at slightly more throwing of the 200 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: football than running it. But it's pretty close, and honestly, 201 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: it's not that different from what the Steelers have been doing, 202 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: and they're just going to do it a different way. 203 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was actually just looking to see just total 204 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: pass attempts. Only three teams threw the ball fewer times 205 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: than Steelers. That was the Niners, Titans, and Ravens, two 206 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: of which were the best teams in the league. Yeah, 207 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: as eight, I mean so in the eighth few passetemns. 208 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah right, So to me, this is this is why 209 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: this meshes up. You mentioned those teams, how what style 210 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: do they play or what or what schemes do they employ. 211 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: You don't see Baltimore out there with a lot of 212 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: three receiver sets, No, not at all. You don't see 213 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: San Francisco out there with a lot of three receiver sets. 214 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: So if you're if you're going to be a running team, 215 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: then be a running team. If you're going to be 216 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: a team that wants to run the ball, don't go 217 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: out there with three wide receivers on the field all 218 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: the time. Because what we saw from the Steelers last 219 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: year is that when they really wanted to run the football, 220 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: out of that and they still kept the eleven person 221 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 2: al or even when they went to thirteen, you're taking 222 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 2: George pick as, you're taking Deontay Johnson off the field. Yeah. 223 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because I recently. I read an article 224 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: this week, you know, not even knowing who the Steelers 225 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: offense coore, there is going to be that these four 226 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: teams that advanced to the championship round, they all do 227 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: it a little differently, and none of them are heavy 228 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: eleven personnel teams like the Chiefs even last year, are 229 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: heavy thirteen. The Lions aren't nearly as heavy eleven as 230 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: you would think. The Ravens are very unorthodox with a 231 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: fullback and double tight ends. And even you know, even 232 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: when Andrews was out, they played a lot of double 233 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: tight ends and whom I missed other Niners, the Niners 234 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: living with a fullback and twenty one personnel. So just 235 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, it kind of bothered me, to be honest, 236 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: that the Steelers were in eleven so much the last three, 237 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: four or five years. 238 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: You know that it was either eleven or twelve. 239 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: Now I would think there'd be four or five groupings, 240 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, that are more likely to be used, which 241 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: makes it harder to be prepared for. 242 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, and what the Steelers 243 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: should get out of that is more base from the 244 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: opposing team on a regular basis, I. 245 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: Would think so or if you're going to play dime 246 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: against it, then you're gonna get pounded by notgy you know. 247 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Now you'll still have that capability against certainty, 248 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: you have more flexibility to be. 249 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: Able to force the matchups that you want. Yes, yeah, 250 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: one hundred agree. And I think throwing out of bigger 251 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: personnel has become a trend as well. You know, like 252 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: if I can get you in heavy, if I can 253 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: get three linebackers on the field, nobody has three good linebackers. 254 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: Most teams on even one. You know, if I can 255 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: get you in your four to three or even just 256 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: keep two linebackers on the field all the time, chances 257 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: are you don't have two good ones that can cover 258 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: one thing. I'm just stumble checking here. I say this 259 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: a while ago. It's from our buddies over at FTN 260 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: Fantasy Is. We're talking about pits. So Dalton Schultz had 261 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: a catchable target rate of seventy four percent. Him and 262 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: the DJOKH were the worst to accept for pitts. 263 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: He was its foar. 264 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he was ten percent worse than the second 265 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: least catchable balls. Like they talk about he is an 266 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: high average depth of target, but it's still an unbelievable outlier. 267 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: How much Ritter and heinek he hurt him because his 268 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: catchable balls were so much lower than any other tight 269 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: end in the whole league. 270 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: You know, like if he has an average quarterback throwing 271 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: to him, I bet he has two hundred more yards. Yeah. Yeah, 272 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: and that's been you know, a problem for him. We 273 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: talked about it two years ago, when you know, Marcus 274 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: Mariota is missing him by a mile, been pretty unlucky 275 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: overthrowing the six foot six tight end by a lot. 276 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, I just think it's going to be interesting 277 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: and fascinating to uh to watch this offseason unfold, and 278 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: uh you know, uh see how first of all, I 279 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: think that you know, draft and free agency are going 280 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: to tell us a lot about how this team wants 281 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: to play football in terms of the packages, because right now, 282 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: you know, there really isn't a true full back on 283 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: the roster. 284 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: Connor heywere can do some of those things. But you know, 285 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: so I do think that what the heck is going 286 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: on here? 287 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: What that was? 288 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, back conversation is an interesting one, like 289 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: will they be content just moving Hayward to fullback and 290 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: having a bass catch type or do they want a 291 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: true hammer old school Steeler tim Lester Dan Crider type, 292 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: neither of which is hard to find, you know, I 293 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: mean right, also going to have to play special teams, 294 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: much like wat did when he was here. But neither 295 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: one's going to break the bank, either getting free agency 296 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: or bring in three undrafted free agents and let them 297 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: all battle it out. But I do wonder will they 298 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: be as aggressive to get a third receiver? Will will 299 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: they be content with their tight end room, particularly if 300 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: they view Hayward as a tight end, you know, I 301 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: mean Williams, I thought also played well. 302 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: Would those four be adequate? 303 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: Do they keep in a tight end an extra tight 304 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: end active on game day more or so this year 305 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: than they did going forward? But I also think their 306 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: lineman situation is interesting. Is one thing that worries me 307 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about this coaching hire is yes, they 308 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: run the ball a ton, but it's a lot of 309 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: outside zone as opposed to power stuff. And the Steelers 310 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: ran power so well with their traps and yeah cards 311 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: and that type of thing. I wouldn't want to mess 312 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: dramatically with what they do. And frankly, I don't think 313 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: Nausey's a great outside zone type of runner. Either he's 314 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: more right down, So that would be of interest to 315 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: me too, Like all of a sudden, they drafting tackles. 316 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: That are two hundred and ninety pounds I can run. 317 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: Or I mean that this doesn't really fit the following 318 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: way of doing things either. Yeah, I mean you've just 319 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: spent a first round draft pick on a tackle last year. 320 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: You've got, you know, your your big masching guards in 321 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: the middle. 322 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: You know. 323 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: Part of being a good coordinator or a good coach 324 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: is meshing what you want to do to the talent 325 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: that you have available. Yeah, as opposed, it's trying to 326 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: you know, pound the square peg into a round hole. 327 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: So that's a slight concern for me. But I'm sure 328 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: that conversation has been had too, right, right. 329 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: Right, Uh, let's get to a break. He is the 330 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive 331 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 2: here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more 332 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: right after this. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is 333 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive on Steelers 334 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: Nation Radio and Matt on ESPN today. There's a little 335 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 2: story on the projecting NFL quarterback moves, trades, signings, cuts, 336 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: and draft picks. This is always fright and you know, 337 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: obviously with the you know, the Steelers have made their 338 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 2: their intentions. 339 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: Very parent. 340 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 2: Uh. They've basically come out and said, hey, we think 341 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett still can be a good starting quarterback in 342 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 2: the NFL, but obviously he needs to take a step forward, 343 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: and we like Mason Rudolph, we like what he did. 344 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: We want to bring him back. 345 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: Now. It doesn't mean that's exactly what's going to happen here, 346 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 2: but you know, so we'll see I haven't even looked 347 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: at this article to see, you know, if the Steelers 348 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: factor into this one at all. But let's let's take 349 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: a look here. This is from ESPN and what they 350 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: feel is going to offer or what's what's going to 351 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: happen with some of these quarterback situations. 352 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: So the first one is justin fields with the Bears. 353 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: I think he's on the move and he has one 354 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: more He has one year left on his rookie deal 355 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: pays him three point two million dollars in twenty twenty 356 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: four and costs the Bears six million dollars against the cap. 357 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 2: You then would also have to make a decision on 358 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: his fifty year option, which is those are due on 359 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: May second. That would be twenty two million dollars for 360 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: that fifty year option for him. And obviously, if you're 361 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: going to trade for him, you're going to pick up 362 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: the option. And that's not bad for Justin Fields. Yeah, 363 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, that's not insane. I assume he 364 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: hasn't made a Pro Bowl, so therefore it's twenty two 365 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 2: and it's not crazy. You get him for this year 366 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 2: and next. I don't think you have to give him 367 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 2: a first round pick for him. I mean I think 368 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: that there's that that's more attractive than I originally thought. Yeah, well, 369 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: here's the here's the offer. The Raiders offer a second 370 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: and seventh round draft picks in twenty twenty four for 371 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: Justin Fields. 372 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: Okay, you said a second the seventh. Yeah, okay. I 373 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: figured it'd probably be a two or three, so it's 374 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: not too far off. 375 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: It's a pretty early second. I think the Bears take 376 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: that it's a what is that like a mid seven 377 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: somewhere in the middle around. 378 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: I think the Raiders are. 379 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: What but yeah, I mean team or something like that. 380 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: You're getting a second round draft pick, which you can 381 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: certainly use, and you've. 382 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: Got the first overall pick. Yeah, you're going to get 383 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: your quarterback. You have another first at number ten. 384 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: I mean you have a ton of cap space. 385 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have fields, but boy, you've got a 386 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: lot of cards in your hand to get better and young. 387 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 388 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: But for the Raiders too, Raiders could be a no 389 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: man's land. 390 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean, because they're not in a position 391 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: where they're probably they're not in a position right now 392 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: unless they really fall in love with bow Nix or 393 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: Michael Pennix or one of these quarterbacks that where they're going. 394 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: To get one. Yeah, you're not gonna get the top three. 395 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: And it would cost a heck of a lot more 396 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: to get up to to get one of those than 397 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: the fields deal you do have. You know, this isn't 398 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: an unreasonable contract to extend him early. You pick up 399 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: the option, and again, maybe you do love Bonnicks and 400 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: Penix and you just sit there in the first round. 401 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: Then you get those guys for five years, which would 402 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: be great, But. 403 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: Who's to say. 404 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean, those guys would need to prove a lot 405 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: more to me to take that route. 406 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, quarterbacks who are going to get extensions, 407 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 2: leading that list as Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I don't think 408 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: he leaves. 409 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't think so either. 410 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: I mean they're saying a two year, eighty five million, 411 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: fully guaranteed contract extension, and that, folks, is why the situation. 412 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: He was never going to become a Pittsburgh sh He's 413 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: not gonna hit free agency, I don't believe. 414 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: I think they get it right. Yeah, I think they 415 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: get that done before free agency starts. Yeah, and if 416 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: he does, he's gonna ask for ninety million over two 417 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: years guaranteed, which I'm not sure is the best financial 418 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: move for the Steelers. 419 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: I mean, he'll be thirty eight by the time that 420 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: contract is up, and I can't see the Vikings letting 421 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: him get well, don't letting him go thing. 422 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he seems very comfortable there. He's having the 423 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: best years with O'Connell. The injury factor, you know, I 424 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: think favors him staying as well. And they have nobody 425 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: waiting in the wings, you know. So Yeah, I think 426 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: they the deal done is very similar to this one 427 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: two year deal. Maybe draft the guy next year or 428 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, Right, The. 429 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: Next one is Baker Mayfield, and I would be shocked 430 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: if the Buccaneers let Baker go. 431 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, it kind of takes some of 432 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: the fun out of it. Yeah, back goes back. But 433 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: I just don't see teams beating down the door for 434 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: either one of these guys at the price they're going 435 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: to get. I think they're worth more to the teams 436 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: they are already a part of than anyone else. 437 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's ingesting a three year, eighty million dollar 438 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 2: deals with escalators that can move it up to one 439 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars for Baker Mayfield. Okay, for Baker Mayfield. 440 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: I mean, let me repeat that again. That's three year's 441 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: eighty million dollars for Baker Mayfield. Now, he had a 442 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 2: fine year this year. But is Mike Evan. Is Mike 443 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: Evan's going to be back next year? Who's to say? 444 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean, they're comparing it to the Geno Smith deal. 445 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: Is Seattle thrilled with the Geno Smith deal? You know, 446 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: at his age, I mean well into his thirties, would 447 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: be Mayfield. And you're probably still drafting a quarterback high. 448 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: Maybe not this year if you. 449 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: Signed that deal, but next year, you know so, right, 450 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a great usage of money. 451 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: Guys who are going to be cut. 452 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: Obviously, Russell Wilson is on that list. That was a 453 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: five year, two hundred and forty five million dollar contract 454 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: ext mention that he signed in twenty twenty two. Unbelievable. 455 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't know where he lands. I don't know what 456 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: to do with him, because he is going to be 457 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: a argat. 458 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, one of the suggestions is 459 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: what maybe he winds up wherever Belichick wound up at. Well, 460 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: that's not going to happen. Now's not going to coach. 461 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: How about the Raiders if they don't trade for fields, 462 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: I guess, but then somebody else would have to trade 463 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: for fields. 464 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: Where's that going to be? Is it going to be Atlanta? 465 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: Is it going to be I don't know where. Yeah, 466 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: Atlanta is certainly a landing spot for one of these guys. Yeah, 467 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: maybe it's I don't know. 468 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: Other quarterbacks who are going to be cuts, and none 469 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 2: of them are likely to have a starting job in 470 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four includes Jimmy Garoppolo, Mac Jones, Zach Wilson. 471 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: Taylor Heneke. 472 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: I don't know the why would the Patriots move on 473 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: from mac Jones already. 474 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: That's the one that stood out to me. And it 475 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: doesn't cost a ton, doesn't cost a time. He's on 476 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: his rookie deal. I mean, I guess a lot of 477 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: the same staff will be there, but that's mostly going 478 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: to be in the defensive side of the ball. Belichick's gone. 479 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: Of course, you're not saving a ton, that's for sure. 480 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: And I never was a big mac Jones fan, but frankly, 481 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: if he's a free agent and you can't get done 482 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: a deal done with Rudolph, I'd consider bringing him in 483 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: on a cheap deal. I mean, I don't love him, 484 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: but there's not a ton out there. Yeah, I mean 485 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: right things, Yeah, he just had the last two seasons 486 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: have just been atrocious. 487 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: You would talk about stunning a quarterbacks development, right, I 488 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: mean that's the Patriots just taught a masterclass in it. Exactly. 489 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: Give him no weapons. You have bad coordinators and change 490 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: them often, you know, like, what'd you want the kid 491 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: to do? And frankly, he's not Josh Allen or Lamar 492 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: in terms of playmaking when things break down, so he 493 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: kind of needs things pretty structured, and you just destroyed 494 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: his structure. 495 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're saying here with some of these free agent quarterbacks, 496 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 2: the new contract, Russell Wilson ends up in Atlanta three years, 497 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 2: thirty six million dollars with twenty million dollars guaranteed. 498 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: Wow, sounds like a big deal. I mean, twenty million 499 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: guaranteed for him doesn't excite me. Three for thirty six 500 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: I guess makes sense on surface. Atlanta is another one though, 501 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: Like Atlanta and the Raiders are kind of in quarterback 502 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: no man's land. I might even rather just take bo 503 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: Nix earlier than I should than signed Russell Wilson. Yeah, 504 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: I don't love that now. 505 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew, of course, he was with the Colts last year. 506 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: Now they're saying he ends up in Denver two years, 507 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: fourteen million dollars, fully guaranteed. I kind of forgot about 508 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 2: Denver that they don't have a guy either, right. 509 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: I think they would rather work with a veteran than 510 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: a rookie at John Payton's stage of his career. I 511 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: don't think they look at Stid of him like he's 512 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: a starter. But you can't look at Minshew like he's 513 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: a starter. Would that be a true? That's I mean 514 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: to me, it's a true bridge type. Yeah, situation where 515 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: you're you know, you sign it again. It's a two year, 516 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: fourteen million dollar deal. Maybe you get a quarterback in 517 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: the draft this year. If you don't get one this year, 518 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: you better get one next year. Yeah, I mean it's 519 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: just another ramification of a terrible Wilson trade. Yes, you 520 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 1: just don't have great options. I don't think. I mean, 521 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: maybe maybe they would trade for fields, but they've been 522 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: light on draft picks lately because. 523 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: Of the Wilson deals. He gave up all those picks 524 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: and players for Wilson. Can you can you to give 525 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: do more? Probably not pick you can get. 526 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: I guess I could see that. But boy, that seems 527 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: like a long year for the Broncos with Minshew Insteadham 528 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: battling him out. Jacobe Burssett. 529 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 2: New contract with the New England Patriots two years, fifteen 530 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 2: million dollars, seven point five million dollar guaranteed. I like that. 531 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: I mean, even if they draft the guy for sets, 532 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: A great teammate, smart knows the system. I don't know 533 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: what system I can run. I guess I should stand corrected. 534 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: But he knows the town, he's been there, et cetera. 535 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm a Bressett fan. I mean I like the Brissette 536 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: option a lot better than Minshew Russell Wilson, even extending Baker, 537 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, I think that makes more sense. 538 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now where the draft picks end up at. Obviously 539 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: Caleb Williams with the Bears, Drake May with the Commanders, 540 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: Jade and Daniel with the Patriots. Then has the Giants 541 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: taking Michael Pennick Junior at thirty nine. 542 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking at this as well. I think there's 543 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: gonna be more than three first round quarterbacks, what's said 544 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: and down, especially if they go one to three. There's 545 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: just too many of these teams that can't. 546 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: Wait till pick thirty nine, you know, deep into the 547 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: second round. I don't think. Yeah, they have the Vikings 548 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: taking JJ McCarthy at forty two. Okay, they had Cousins 549 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: on a two year deal, right, yes, so that would 550 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: make some sense. I mean, that's what they should have 551 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: done last year, to be honest. The Falcons at seventy four, 552 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: all the way down at seventy four, take bo Nicks, 553 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: not on think there's any chance he falls that far. 554 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: I don't think so either, I mean I do. I 555 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: don't even love bon Knicks, but I don't think he 556 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: lasted seventy his quarterback quarterback. 557 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't love Levis last year, and he 558 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 1: went right after Porter in the second round. I mean, 559 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: I think that's where these guys end up if they're 560 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: not first rounders, and if you're Atlanta and you're gonna 561 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: wait to the third round to get your succession. Planned 562 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: to Russell Wilson, I ain't gonna cut it. I mean, 563 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: whether it's Bonnicks or not. You know, like, yeah, I 564 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: don't want to. 565 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: Go in here with Ritter or a third round pick 566 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: in Russell Wilson yuck. Yeah. 567 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: Uh. 568 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: The Broncos take Michael Pratt out of Tulane at seventy six. 569 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: He's an interested guy, he's down there with you. I 570 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: think he's a chance, you know, a decent third fourth 571 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: round pick that could do some good things. 572 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Then at eighty four, the Steelers take Jordan Travis 573 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: out of Florida State, And I don't hate that, No, 574 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: not at all. Jordan Travis was having a ridiculous season 575 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: last year before he got injured. Yeah. 576 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: I don't know the extent of the leg injury, but 577 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: you don't need him this year. 578 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: No, I like that. It's almost like the Hendon Hooker's 579 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: selection by Detroit last year. 580 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you may never need it, but you might be 581 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: real happy it's there or whenever the time comes. Yeah, well, 582 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: I mean you just don't need to. 583 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: If he had played the full season this year, are 584 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: we talking about him being a potential first round draft. 585 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: Pick, possibly, or he'd be in that Nicks Pennix. 586 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd be. 587 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: He'd certainly be in that group. 588 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 589 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not in the top three part, but he'd 590 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: be fighting in the Senier Bowl right now for a 591 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: spot to be the quarterback FO or something like that. 592 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot. 593 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: I haven't thought of that at angle. But yeah, if 594 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: you go into camp with Travis Picket and Rudolph or 595 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: Bersett or somebody like that, okay, you know you got 596 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: three cracks at the apple. 597 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: Then yeah, then they have all the projected twenty twenty 598 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: four starters. They obviously they have Kenny Pickett as a 599 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: projected twenty twenty. 600 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: Four starter for the Steelers. 601 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: Obviously Mason Rudolph would have something to say about that. 602 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: And you know that they didn't have a landing spot 603 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: for Mason Rudolph, so I assume he just resides here. 604 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 2: But that kind of tells you what you need to 605 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: know about the perception of Rudolph. 606 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: And I know when we hit Bob. We had Bob 607 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: Labriola yesterday and he talked about, you know, talked about 608 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: that part of it. 609 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: Like people think that, well, Mason Rudolf's going to go 610 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 2: out on the open market and get a big deal 611 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: somewhere else. Probably isn't. Probably isn't. I mean, yeah, he 612 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: put out a good tape and people know who he is. 613 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the scouting departments know everybody, of course, But 614 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: the fact that they mentioned Brissette and not Rudolph, I 615 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: bet they played about the same amount of snaps. 616 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: Rudolf played more more, Yeah, but Brissett just has more 617 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: of a long term track record than Rudolph does. Right, 618 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: And that's not saying anything bad about Rudolph. It's just 619 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: a reality. Just reality. 620 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, So real quick, just looking at this projected, you know, 621 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: these are the starting quarterbacks. You think Daniel Jones actually 622 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: is That's the one. I'm like, is he better than Tyrod? 623 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: Taylor is a free agent too, you know, he's kind 624 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: of in that mold, like is he better than Daniel Jones? 625 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: Like some of these all add up, and none of 626 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: them some of them aren't pretty like the ones we've 627 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: talked about. 628 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 2: Wilson to Atlanta. 629 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: But I wonder if Daniel Jones is just carp blanche, 630 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, he's the starter next year, no competition. 631 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would think they bring somebody in. Yeah, 632 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: I don't know who that player would be. But he 633 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 2: can't just have Daniel Jones. By the same token, the 634 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: Colts can't just have Anthony Richardson. That's a great point, 635 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 2: Like I'd love to see Tyrod Taylor back him up. 636 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: Richardson like that would make no sense to me. 637 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: And I guess in this scenario, they did have the 638 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: Giants draft in Panix, so yeah, that would that would 639 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: have up. I forgot that they got him, So yeah, 640 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 2: he going with Daniel Jones. You know, Can the Jets 641 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: just go in the next season with only Eric, with 642 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: just Aaron Rodgers for that matter? I think not, definitely not. 643 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: I mean I would I bet Rogers wouldn't like this, 644 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: and sure seems like he runs the organization right now, 645 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 2: but Martin right now, Yeah, I mean, right, let's get 646 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 2: ahead of it. But they need other things so bad 647 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: and they're trying to win. Now, I'm sure their first 648 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 2: or second round pick will not be a core other 649 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: than have a second right, Yeah, because they traded that 650 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: for Rogers. So yeah, that's part of the problem with 651 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: trading for the old guy big time. 652 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Denver's in a real pickle. Now he's not 653 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: that old, but Cleveland's in a terrible spot. Yeah, well 654 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: they deserve that. They did that to themselves. 655 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: Anyways, let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson. 656 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on 657 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 2: Stealers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more here on 658 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 2: the drive right after this. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolly. 659 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. And Matt, you know the 660 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: Senior Bowl practices still ongoing today. I just full the disclosure. 661 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: We're taping this during the morning session, so I haven't 662 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: gotten the chance to see anything of today's practices. But 663 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 2: I assume you got a chance to watch the afternoon practices, 664 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: the late practice from yesterday after we did our show. 665 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 2: I was just wondering anybody stood out to you in 666 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 2: those practices. 667 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 1: Definitely the tackle group. So I need to go backwards 668 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: on one the. 669 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 2: Big tackle. 670 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: Paul. What's his first name? 671 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 2: Again? Looking forward to here real quick, the dude. 672 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: From Houston, I think, hey, yeah, yeah, Patrick Patrick Paul. Yeah, 673 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: six seven, three thirty three. I said he's Chris Paul's brother. Yeah, 674 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: I was right, But Chris Paul was somebody the Commander 675 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,479 Speaker 1: drafted in like the six or seventh. 676 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 2: Wrong, Chris Paul here, not the Paul that. 677 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: Is a great basketball player. But I watched him. I 678 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 1: mean he's very impressive, but I think his technique needs 679 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: some work, and I don't love his lower body geiton 680 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: though to me, it just steals the show to some degree. 681 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean he's so smooth and handles power and readjust 682 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: when things don't go well. He definitely stood out to 683 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: me as man. I mean, there's there's a lot to 684 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: like with him. I thought Christian Jones was another tackle 685 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: that's coming on pretty strong too. 686 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: I mean, so. 687 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: Those guys were definitely stand out for me. I'm trying 688 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: to think of who some of the others would have been. 689 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: I think the early practice was better than the late one, 690 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, just for pure star power. Yeah, 691 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: but it's still pretty good group scrolling around here just 692 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 1: to see some names to see if I missed anybody. Yeah, 693 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean a guy like Christian Jones is receiving no 694 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: first round buzz. 695 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I think in a lot of years he 696 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: would be probably sneak into the first round somewhere, you know, 697 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 2: just because the size and the athleticism, and he's a 698 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 2: little stiffer than those other guys. 699 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: He's not quite as fluid or quite as long, but 700 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: they're crazy fluid and long. I think he's more of 701 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: a prototypical right tackle. But man, you get that guy 702 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: on Day two, he may play a long time for you. Yeah. 703 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 2: So I just think this is a really impressed with 704 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 2: this draft class in terms of the offensive lineman available. 705 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: And let's let's face it. 706 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: I mean, if there's one thing that the NFL is 707 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 2: starved for right now, it's offensive lineman. 708 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: Big time, big time. And I want to go back 709 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: and just tell people a little bit too. That first 710 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: day of Senior Bowl practice is pretty tough to evaluate 711 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: from a passing standpoint, because those tight ends were running backs, 712 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: wide outs. They're kind of just learning the plays. So 713 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: you saw a lot of screens, you saw a lot 714 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: of draws, you saw a lot of very basic route concepts, 715 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: not that they get real dramatic out there, but Wednesday 716 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: Thursday you'll hear about receivers coming on more and it's 717 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: a good group of receivers, But just after that first day, 718 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: it's not easy to judge some of those guys. 719 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of why I focused early 720 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 2: in the in the first couple of practices on the 721 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: offensive lineman and defensive linemen because the trench stuff is 722 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 2: the trench stuff. I mean, those are one on ones. 723 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 2: You're either gonna win that or you're gonna lose it. 724 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I actually think they're more fun to watch, 725 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, just because putting a corner on an entire 726 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: field against the receiver is such a disadvantage, and a 727 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: linebacker against Christian McCaffrey coming out of the backfield with 728 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: no one else on the field, like, that's an awful 729 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: difficult cover. But one on one lineman stuff, I think 730 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: is the best things goes on down there. Yeah, there's 731 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. 732 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 2: And I mean I think that's kind of what a 733 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 2: lot of people come here to see because you can 734 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 2: easily judge at watching practices who's winning who's losing. But 735 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 2: I'll say this, there are some guys who just don't 736 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 2: look good in one on one blocking situations in practice, true, 737 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 2: who when you turn on the game tape, they look 738 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 2: completely different. One guy that I always I'll always remember, 739 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 2: Jeff Harding's with the Steelers, always looked like. 740 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: Like he couldn't win a one on one. 741 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 2: You know, blocking drill on a consistent basis in practice. 742 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 2: It just it just didn't happen for him. And then 743 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 2: he get in the game and he's he's a pro bowler. 744 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, And again it's sort of like a defensive back, 745 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 1: especially if you're a center, you know, like it's nice 746 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: having two guards next to you, where these athletic guys 747 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: don't have as much space to beat you, you know 748 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. And if you're in a reactionary position, 749 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: it is more difficult for you down there. But I'm 750 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: sure some of it's just Harding's being smart nowhere his 751 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: help is and blocking angles. And you know, obviously they 752 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: have the snapcount working in their favor in a game 753 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: and know the play and can judge the alignment better. 754 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: Boy he's leaning a little of his left, I'm going 755 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: to reach him this way, those type of things. But 756 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: there was also two defensive alignment you know, from both 757 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: teams that I thought piqued my interest a little bit too. 758 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: We we talked on about haul from Baylor a little bit. Yeah, 759 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, super long, you know, two hundred ninety pounds 760 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: just under six six would really fit the Steelers mold 761 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: of a you know, three four defensive end. And I 762 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: don't know if it's Fisker Fisky or just fisk the 763 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: Florida State kid. 764 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but the order. He's a little stumpier, but 765 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,720 Speaker 2: he is nasty. 766 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's fixed three and a half, he's 767 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: two ninety five, does the dirty work like his style 768 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: of play last in this league for a long time, 769 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: and teammates loved that type of dude. 770 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 2: He was aggressive and drills. I liked him quite a bit. 771 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, good. 772 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 2: Again, not not overly long, but six he's you know, 773 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: long enough. You know, the arms are a little shorter 774 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 2: than maybe you'd like thirty one inches, but yeah, real active, 775 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 2: just a very active player. You mentioned. 776 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: Almost didn't mention him for that reason, just be But 777 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if the Steelers are as married to 778 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: the Aaron Smith body type as much as they used 779 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: to be. You know, like Ogunjobi's not long. He's not 780 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: six six, you know, so they just run so much 781 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: less three four than they did. I don't know if 782 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 1: what they look for the line has changed a little 783 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: or not. 784 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: I still think you want the the arm length and 785 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 2: wingspan regardless. 786 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,479 Speaker 1: I mean, even if you don't. 787 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 2: You may not necessarily be you know, six ' five, 788 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 2: but you better have some arms. You better have You 789 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 2: better have the ability to reach into the pocket and 790 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 2: get the quarterback on the ground or you know, cover 791 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 2: some grounds. 792 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: You know you can't. I just don't know that you 793 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,959 Speaker 1: can be short armed. 794 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 2: And so there's some guys you know that I look 795 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 2: at here of this defensive line group, and I do 796 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 2: think that you still have to be big enough to 797 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 2: ride the ride in that in that regard. 798 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: And you know, they want to be a big, physical 799 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: football team. They don't want to. I mean, frankly, if 800 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: you're a shorter arm d lineman, you're probably relying on 801 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: quickness shooting gaps, not being the power, you know, beating 802 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: people to the point, which isn't job number one for 803 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: the Steelers. Yeah, and and Fisk thirty one inch arms, 804 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: that's a problem. 805 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 2: Seventy seven inch wingspan like offensive linemen are going to 806 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 2: get their hands on Hi pretty quick in the NFL. 807 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: And is he dynamic enough to shed consistently? 808 00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 2: I have my doubts. 809 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: I like his style play, but the length is concerning 810 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: it definitely is. Yeah, so we'll see. 811 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 2: I mean, you know that, that's why you watch these practices, 812 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 2: That's why you watch the game to see how well 813 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 2: they do those things. But that's certainly a concern for him. 814 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 2: Just looking here at some of these other guys that 815 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 2: in terms of their their measurables here like Gabe Haul 816 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 2: we talked about thirty four and three acents arms. 817 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: It's get an eighty four inch wingspan like that. That 818 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: that fits the bill like does yeah? Yeah, when moves 819 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: you know before people could even get on him with 820 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: his long arms. He also has a lot of quickness. 821 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,720 Speaker 1: I what you don't know, and I haven't cited him enough, 822 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: is does he hold the point well enough to be 823 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: a steeler? I mean, I'm not saying he has to 824 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: be Cam Hayward, but you know how powerful is he 825 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: you know inside? You know, but he has a lot 826 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: of traits. 827 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's that's certainly When looking at Joe 828 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 2: Milton a little bit yesterday from Tennessee. 829 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: He is a monster. He's shumongous, and his arm is insane. Yeah, 830 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: six five two thirty five ten and three eighths inch hands. 831 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 2: I remember it wasn't too long ago we were talking 832 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 2: about hand size. 833 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he just envelops the football and he moves. 834 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 2: Well, here's he's just raw, super raw. Yeah, and he's 835 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 2: so raw for some people thinking he might be Logan Thomas, 836 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 2: you know that maybe he should start running routes. I 837 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,479 Speaker 2: think that's too early to give up on in terms 838 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 2: of what he could be as a quarterback. But I 839 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 2: am really interested to watch him Wednesday Thursday. You know, 840 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 2: how precise is he with more developed route concepts things 841 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 2: like that, you know, like I saw a lot of 842 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 2: dumps to running backs, you know things, you know, and 843 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 2: he's This's the other thing, too, is quarterbacks scrambles. Everyone 844 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 2: just goes and taps you on the butt or on 845 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 2: the shoulder pad or what they take it, like eighty yards. 846 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 2: Like they almost shouldn't be allowed to scramble in any 847 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 2: of these girls. Yeah, yeah, I hear you learning. Yeah, 848 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 2: you're really not helping the defense at all. You're not 849 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,280 Speaker 2: helping your offense. It's kind of a wasted play. 850 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,919 Speaker 1: And I know sometimes they sit there and they pack 851 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: the ball for six or seven seconds with no pass rush. 852 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 2: That's not ideal either, But. 853 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: When no one can hit you or you know, running 854 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,359 Speaker 1: the ball doesn't help anybody either. 855 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 2: No, I hear you. Let's get to another break, Matt. 856 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lelly. That's going to 857 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 2: do it for our number one of the drive here 858 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,760 Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with our number 859 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,399 Speaker 2: two right after this