1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles. Ahead. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: He got Jack. This is the Big Red Radio presented 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: by Santanford in Gilbert. Harry's gonna score touchdown and so 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: for bets goes up. He makes the game. When it casts, 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Larry Luncheon does it again. The Rage is brought to 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Santanford State Farm? 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: and buy Arizona Cardinals podcasts, Visit Acy Cardinals dot com, 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: Slash podcasts, The rod scene, Rising Guard, temperaturizing vision, flurring Rage, 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: taking it over. Here's Paul KELVC. Get the popcorn ready, 11 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a show and Ron will flip. It 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: doesn't get any better than that horn. Unleash the far 13 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: last we left you, Ron Wolf lick. Yeah, the Mars 14 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: rover had just touchdown. Fact the words were touchdown confirmed. 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: Not this again. In the interim, Wolf, We've decided here 16 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert, 17 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: we are santan for to employ our own rover of sorts, 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: because we know how you're into the selatious and the 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: sensational stock ball. Your middle initial is TMZ. We know 20 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: that wolf about you, and with that in mind, we've 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: sent our rover into the backyards of other NFL teams. 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: Gone over the block wall, as we like to say, 23 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: where is this sege going? Paul? And if you haven't 24 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: noticed Wolf for a complete lack of games right now 25 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL, we haven't even started the league year. Heck, 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: the combine has even been canceled. There's a lot of 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: drama out there in the NFL. There is some dramas, 28 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: some quarterback drama too, I might add ball. I mean, 29 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: there's some great words that you see splash across headlines 30 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: these days, denials and desertion, or the word divide. In Seattle, 31 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: how about the Niners saying Jimmy g is their guy 32 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: and yet nobody really believes them. John Lynch has got 33 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, no, I really believe that 34 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: he's going to be our quarterback. He follows it up 35 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: and qualifies it by saying, no, I really believe that 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: even uses the words no doubt, except there's a run doubt, 37 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: Yes there is. How about the Texans saying, you know what, 38 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: the power grid may have failed, but we're not going 39 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: to commit the epic fail of trading Deshaun Watson. Right yet, 40 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: there's Deshaun Watsons telling the new head coach, I'm not 41 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: playing for the Houston Texans. And then, of course there 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: was a headline earlier today and we'll get into this 43 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the show. But how about this 44 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: for a headline when it reads the athletic in Seattle? 45 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: What is driving the rift between Russell Wilson and the Seahawks? 46 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: Quote power and control. Now that's something to dig your 47 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: teeth into. There's a debate going on in the national 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: football right now, Paully, the football universe. Basically, the debate 49 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: is how much say should a franchise quarterback actually have? 50 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: It's going on with Deshaun Watson, and it's going on, 51 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: I believe with Russell Wilson right now, how much say 52 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: should a franchise quarterback have? I listen, For the longest time, 53 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: a general manager had to have complete autonomy for the 54 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: most part. Right he was the guy to me, I 55 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: will continue to say, ten years ago and before that, 56 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: the general manager was the most important hire an owner 57 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: was going to make. Paully, because that general manager he 58 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: was going to draft. He was going to assemble the roster. 59 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: He was going to go out and sign free agents. 60 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: He was going to hire coaches, a couple of coaches, 61 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: probably head coaches. He'd get that opportunity. He was the 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: most important guy you had in your organization. And right 63 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: now that is changing a little bit. That general manager 64 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: has got to be able to tap into a little 65 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: bit of counsel with that franchise quarterback. Well, what have 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: we been saying for a good decade, No QB, no chance? 67 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: That's right. Maybe the time has just come where quarterbacks 68 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: have had that epiphany that guess what, I am more 69 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: valuable than the GM. A GM is replaceable. A franchise quarterback, 70 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: for the most part is not. So it's like that 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: anonymous coach that's quoted in that athletic story about Russell 72 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: Wilson and the Seahawks Pete Carroll and John Schneider and 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: the quote from the anonymous coaches, it's a great story. 74 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: There's a lot there, money, greed, our control, end quote, 75 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Paulie, and we all know franchise 76 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL is the hardest human being defined. 77 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: It's almost like sweeps month has hit the NFL. If 78 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: you will, you know that's the way it works in 79 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: local tiers such a television guy Paul. Maybe it's a 80 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: ratings game. We'll get into that with Darren urban Ola 81 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: but later. But first we're gonna go into the offensive line. 82 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: Sean Coogler met the media today. That is next than 83 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. 84 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I like the improvement between year one and year two 85 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: with Cliff. I look at the changes that Cliff has 86 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: made with his coaching staff are going to be big improvements. 87 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: Our run game was a strength early in the season, 88 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: and promoting Sean Cooler to our run game coordinator, I 89 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: think we're going to continue to improve. I think Cliffs 90 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: done a fantastic job this offseason, and t and I 91 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: sat down multiple times talked about the things went right, 92 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: the things went wrong, ways that we can fix it, 93 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: and the possible solutions moving forward. And Tom, I'm very 94 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: confident that the things that more negative issues this year 95 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: with our football team will get corrected. Self scouting, that's 96 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: what it's all about in the offseason year From Steve 97 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: ki Bidwell, the GM and owner respectively, both with Doug 98 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: and Wolf this week last week on decision Makers Week 99 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: Newsmakers Week, I guess is what you guys officially called. 100 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: I always called the decision Makers Week on ninety eight 101 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 1: seven Arizona Sports, and those scop are always wrong. Paul. Well, 102 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: you know, you guys never consulted me on the the Moniker, 103 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: and so you know, I just went rogue on you guys. 104 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: I always thought that, you know, well, we could have 105 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: improved on that. But once again, no one listens to me. 106 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: Say where are you, by the way, Polly in the morning. 107 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm mossing you badly. As you know. First off, 108 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: I'm sleeping in I'll tell you that. Oh you Robin, 109 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: And for the most part, but as for what you 110 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: heard right there, Wolf, if you're gonna talk, and you 111 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: heard Michael Bidwell say it, did he not? And we're 112 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: going to get into this a little bit with Darren 113 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: Urban momentarily on the Big Red Rage presented by santan 114 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: Ford and Gilbert the Run Game, and he mentioned twenty 115 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty twenty, Well, what is the second half of 116 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen have in common with the first half 117 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: of two thousand and twenty? The Run Game was in 118 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: gear and the offense was firing on all cylinders, right, Yeah, 119 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: there's no doubt. In twenty nineteen, it was that second 120 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: half of the season winner Kenyan Drake really took off. 121 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: It got him a transition tag, is what it did. 122 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: Bally that second half of twenty nineteen when they start 123 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: to use a lot more two tight ends, even went 124 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: to three tight ends at the end of the year. 125 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: If you'll remember back to twenty nineteen, Balie, this was 126 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: an offense that was in a state of flux, and 127 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: it was fluxing more towards the destructive nature of the 128 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: game of football as opposed to the deceptive nature of 129 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: the game of football. And Kenyan Drake, as I said, 130 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: really got off in that second half of twenty nineteen 131 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: and it got him that transition tag. This is something 132 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: I think the Arizona Cardinals need to get back to 133 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more and I'm hoping that's what they do. 134 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: I'll just throw this one stat at you. I'm not 135 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: gonna go heavy on the numbers, but but you tell 136 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: me how significant this is, because this is from my 137 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: note sheet going into the final game of the season 138 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: at the Rams, the playoffs hanging in the balance. Week seventeen. 139 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: And here's a stat going into the final game of 140 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: the season. Over the first nine games of the year, 141 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals averaged one hundred and sixty nine yards 142 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: rushing per game. They were six and three at that point. 143 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: Over the next six games, they averaged just over one 144 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: hundred eleven yards per rushing. As a team, they went 145 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: two and four, and then in the finale they had 146 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: eighteen carries as an offense for just forty eight yards 147 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: rushing at the rams. They finished two and five over 148 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: the last seven games and missed the playoffs. Yes, and 149 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: to me, it's just stark, is it not. Yes, And 150 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: so you realize, Okay, the capability is there. What happened? 151 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: What exactly do the Cardinals have to do to adjust 152 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: to the adjustment, if you will. Whatever defenses were doing, 153 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: it was effective to make the Cardinals one dimensional to 154 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: a large degree and take away the balance in the offense. 155 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: And Sean Kogler was asked about that in a roundabout 156 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: way today when he met the media. I think we 157 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: do have the tools in place to be an outstanding offense. 158 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: Coach Kingsbury, you know, he is very creative, and you 159 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: know the offense works when it's rolling, and we just 160 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: got to make sure that everybody's in position doing their jobs, 161 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: so we are rolling there. You so give me your 162 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: thoughts on Sean Coogler. And you know how much tweaking 163 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: does it require? Is it philosophy, is it personnel? To 164 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: what degree is it? Both? Give me your thoughts. Yeah, 165 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, Paul, I think it's a combination of a 166 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: lot of different things right here. Listen. First of all, 167 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: the fact that Coogs got promoted a run game coordinator. 168 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of that because, as the old 169 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: saying goes, more say more, pay right, and more pay 170 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: more say and I think that's exactly what he's gonna 171 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: have now. Listen, was he the run game coordinator for 172 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: the most part last year? Yes, he was. But we've 173 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: talked about this this offseason. It's really important that you 174 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: get that title because you do get paid more, and 175 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: when you get paid more, you get to say a 176 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: lot more as well. I think there's some changes maybe 177 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: on the horizon, and we'll see what happens here in 178 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, but i'd love to see him Paully 179 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: put more emphasis on just whipping the dude in. You 180 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: raise the bars, so to speak, across the board, and 181 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: you know what, start trashing dudes as opposed to tricking dudes. 182 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? And you know, we talked about 183 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: that with Rob Frederickson a couple of weeks ago, did 184 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: we not, you know, more the power run game, the 185 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: straight ahead run game, Kyler unders center a little more often, 186 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: more north south, Paulie. And it's interesting because Sean Kugler, 187 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: during the beginning of the press conference today, he was 188 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: asked about, you know, the philosophy of defenses it taken 189 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: away Kyler Murray because that seemed to be the emphasis 190 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: of defenses about midway through the season. That was the 191 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: big adjustment on those RPOs. And he said, look, you 192 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: know what, if they're going to do that, you got 193 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: to play it perfectly, or Kyler is going to pull 194 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: it and run it and that's where he's at his 195 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: most dangerous. But he also said, our offense is built 196 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: around Kyler's mobility and him making the proper reads, and 197 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: so if the defense takes that away, theoretically that should 198 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: oopen up other things. But that didn't happen often enough 199 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: obviously in the second half of the season. No, and 200 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: Paul to your point in regard to Kyler Murray being 201 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: the center, the epicenter of the cards rushing attack. I 202 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: think they need to adopt a different strategy that acknowledges 203 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: the only thing more powerful than running Kyler Murray is 204 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: the promise of running Kyler Murray. I would like to 205 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: see them go to a more physical put the onus 206 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: on the offensive line destruction as opposed to deception. And 207 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: we'll get into the offensive line. What exactly is happening 208 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: at the center position, What is happening at right tackle? 209 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: What else did the Cardinals need on offense? We'll talk 210 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: to Cardinals insider Darren Urban Next Fromacy Cardinals dot com. 211 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: It is the Big Red Rage presented by satan Ford 212 00:11:45,280 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: and Gilbert. We are Santanford, bottom ban bottom boom. Great 213 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: protection for Kyler Murray. The pocket has been really, really sound. 214 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: This is where you gotta feed the butt guts now, baby, 215 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: you gotta let those butt guts line up and eat. 216 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: Get a little greasy. They like it, greasy shotguns. Snapping 217 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: a hand off the drake up the middle. He's in 218 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: for the touchdown, Kenyan Drake from a yard out. Cardinals 219 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: had the lead, You had the butt guts, come off 220 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: the ball, get movement at the point, Baby, I try 221 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: to bot a being bot a boom, but I can't 222 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: quite pull that off as well as a guy from Buffalo. 223 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: There's just something about that when you're from the Silicon 224 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: Valley doesn't really work quite to the same point. That's right. 225 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: Come on, you know they're at Berkeley trying to say that. 226 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: Knock it off, Paul, I need some help here. That's 227 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: why we're gonna bring in on the Big Red Rage 228 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford 229 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals insider, Darren Urban and Darren Good Evening. We'll get 230 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: into the old line momentarily. All the butt gut news 231 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: you can use momentarily. But first off, I saw about 232 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: twenty four hours ago you tweeted out a picture of 233 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald Courtside, Son's minority owner Larry Fitzgerald Courtside. How 234 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: about attaching some sort of update to that tweet? Darren, 235 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: Can you please bring us some news on Larry's future 236 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: beyond him just signing something for a fan courtside. Paul, 237 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: we have had this discussion many a time, and clearly 238 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: nobody knows what the heck is going on, and Larry 239 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: is just gonna do it on his own schedule, and 240 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: your guess is as good as mine. I wish I 241 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: had an update. I wish I had an update for 242 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: many reasons, not the least of which is I'd like 243 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: to not have to worry about it twenty four hours 244 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: a day. But we are where we are, derb. Can 245 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: we agree though, that the longer this goes on, the 246 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: better the odds are that he comes back. So here's 247 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: how I'm kind of looking at it, Wolf. I mean, 248 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you that it's still a possibility. 249 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: The question becomes why would it be? I find it 250 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: hard to believe that it's the question maybe of just 251 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: whether he wants to play or not, so maybe there's 252 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: some other stuff involved out a mall. I mean, we've 253 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: all talked about the contract many times, and it would 254 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: be hard to believe that the Cardinals would bring him 255 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: back for the eleven million dollars he's been playing for 256 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: the last few years. So you know, maybe they're saying, Okay, 257 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: if you do come back, it would be this amount 258 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: of money. Does Larry really want to do that? I 259 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: do think that ultimately He's going to have to make 260 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: a decision before we get to free agency, because I 261 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: just don't think in how tight this salary cap world 262 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: is going to be that they can afford to have 263 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: him say after the fact, Okay, now I'm going to 264 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: come back. I don't know if that would work. I'm 265 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: sticking to my latest theory advanced initially on The Big 266 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: Red Rage last week and then further on Cardinals Underground 267 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: the podcast this week, and that is to the point 268 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: where Larry not only is coming back, but since there's 269 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: going to be the advent of super teams according to 270 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds and all these one year deals, the competitive 271 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: vantage Larry has a no other Layer has in the 272 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: NFL is his contact list. So Larry will come back 273 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: and then he'll announce it with about a half dozen 274 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: other signings that he has generated, and so boom, He's 275 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: going to orchestrate this whole super team Lebron style for 276 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals in twenty twenty one. Who's with me 277 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: on that, Polly? That is a hot take right there. Honestly, 278 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: what do you do do you? I mean, have you 279 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: locked yourself in the closet to come up with these 280 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: hot takes? Is that what it is? I've been watching 281 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: too much of, you know, some of the TV too 282 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: much of First Take and Stephen A. Smith and some 283 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: of the other no and Skip Bayliss. It's all about you. 284 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: The offensive line presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert and Darren. 285 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: Some initial takeaways from what Sean Kugler had to say 286 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: the old line coach and run game coordinator today. Well, 287 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: I know, for me the first one, and you know 288 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that I asked the question, so 289 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: maybe that's why I'm thinking of it first. But I 290 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: thought he was fairly For a coach in the offseason, 291 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: you're rarely going to get anything really concrete. But for 292 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: him to talk about the center position the way he 293 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: did that, you know both Lamont Galliard and Mason Cole 294 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: were up and down, and that the position needs to 295 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: take a step up and that they very well could 296 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: bring in some competition, I thought that was fairly intriguing 297 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I think we've all talked about 298 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: where Mason Cole was, and we saw Lamont Galliard get 299 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: some snaps and some work in a couple of games 300 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: last year. But I think they would like to get 301 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: a little bit better on the offensive line. I think 302 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: center makes a lot of sense and it's going to 303 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what direction that goes in. So 304 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: that that's the first thing that I thought. So what 305 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: do you think they might do if, in fact, they 306 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: were to bring somebody from the outside in? Somebody they thought, Oh, 307 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, like a Corey Linsley. Wouldn't that be 308 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: awesome if that were the case right there? But what 309 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: do you think they do with Mason Cole Well, I mean, 310 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: you've got a guy who can play guard. He has 311 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: played when he hasn't played center, He's played guard and done, 312 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you've got another swing person 313 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: that gives you some depth and that you know, that 314 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: was a big deal for them last year, was talking 315 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: about Okay, not only do we have our starters and 316 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: they stayed fairly healthy, which was good, but we've also 317 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: got depth that if somebody gets hurt, we feel a 318 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: little bit more comfortab plugging them in. Then maybe they 319 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: were in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, you know, in 320 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: that situation when they had their offensive line injuries. So 321 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, I know the Packers center, like you mentioned, 322 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: has been out his name has been out there, But again, 323 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: how much are you willing to pay for some of 324 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: the stuff and where does that fit with everything else? 325 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if Patrick Peterson ends up leaving, you're you're 326 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: basically looking because I think Byron Murphy still works best 327 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: as a slot cornerback. You're basically looking to replace both 328 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: your starting cornerbacks. And yeah, maybe one's in the draft, 329 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to go get one somewhere. And 330 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: I just think with all the different things they have, 331 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if they can necessarily afford to spend there. 332 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but you know, I don't know 333 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: about that. Well, did you guys see what Corey Linsley 334 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: told Serious NFL Radio today. Quote it looks like all 335 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: signs points to snapping the ball somewhere else next year 336 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: end quote Corey Linsley. So he's resigned to leaving Green 337 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: Bay and we'll see, we know. Sean Coogler today called 338 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: it an open competition at center. I just got the 339 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: sense he was a little salty. I mean, for February, 340 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: he definitely wasn't in a very good mood. Now he 341 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: wasn't He wasn't cross with the media or anything or short, 342 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: but there wasn't a smile cracked. He mentioned how they 343 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: were the most penalized team in the NFL and the 344 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: old line was a big part of that and there 345 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: were a lot of pre snap penalties by the old line. 346 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: I mean, he had his game face on in a 347 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: lot of ways to me. In February and then he 348 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: was asked about Josh Jones rookie year and how he 349 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: might play into things in year two for the kid 350 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: out of Houston. He got his feet wet last year, 351 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: but he didn't have to be pushed into a starting role. 352 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: I thought that was good. I thought he handled his 353 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: rookie year extremely well, not only on the field but 354 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: in the room. I saw a lot of growth. We're 355 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: very excited about him. He offers position flexibility. He could 356 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: play tackle, he could play guard. We'll see where that 357 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: goes as we get into the offseason. Is that viable wolf? 358 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: Could he be a guard? Yeah? Jones? No, absolutely, You're 359 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: gonna get your five best out on the field in 360 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: any way you have to do that. You're gonna go 361 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: ahead and do it. If you don't feel that Josh 362 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: Jones is ready to play on the adge out there well, 363 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: you know when you move them inside and listen, this 364 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: guy has got an awful lot of talent. There's no 365 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: doubt about it. We all were jacked up when the 366 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals were able to get him in the third round. 367 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: There are many people who believe that he was a 368 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: high second round pick, maybe even a late first round 369 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: pick in some mock drafts, and to get a guy 370 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: of that quality is significant. Listen the OTAs and not 371 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: having the OTAs and the truncated preseason and no preseason games. 372 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? It was a disaster for Josh 373 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: Jones not to be able to develop like that an 374 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. The big jump from college to the pro 375 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: game is beyond significant, and he was trying to do 376 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: what I consider to be the impossible. Darren, what do 377 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: you make of right tackle? How wide open is it 378 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: right now? Oh? I mean, I think it's pretty wide. 379 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: What's going to be interesting to me? I think they 380 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: really like the job Kelvin Beecham did on the field, 381 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: and everybody I talked to. Obviously Weeding get to spend 382 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time in the locker room, Paul, but 383 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: everybody I talked to, he says, He's a major factor 384 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: as a leader in the locker room. So I think 385 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways it would make sense to 386 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: bring him back. What the question is, how much would 387 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: you be willing to spend on him? Could he get 388 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: more money elsewhere after the year he had. I mean, 389 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to break the bank or anything. 390 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: But again, this is all going to be very compact 391 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: in terms of all these different contracts, and you know, 392 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: I think I could see a scenario where he comes 393 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: back and plays right tackle. And when you talk about 394 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: Josh Jones playing guard, I mean they are going to 395 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: need a right guard potentially. I think you Jr. Sweezy's 396 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: probably gonna leave as a as a free agent. And 397 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: then you know, as justin Murray stay there, do you 398 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: maybe use Jones? What do you do with Marcus Gilbert, 399 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: who whose contract tolled while he opted out last season, 400 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: so he still has a year left on his deal. 401 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things to be sorted out, 402 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: and that's why it would be so nice if they 403 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: were able to get some OTA's this offseason. And right 404 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: now it's it's kind of up in the air. I'm 405 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: not super optimistic about it, but you never know, maybe 406 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: they'll decide, Okay, the regular workouts, we're going to stay 407 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: out virtual, but you will be able to get together 408 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: seven to ten times for some on field stuff if 409 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: you go through the proper protocols. And I think we 410 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: all agree, Guys, dj Embrey's had a Pro Bowl caliber 411 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: season a left tackle. What about left guard? We know 412 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: Justin Pugh had a great season by the assessment of 413 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: Sean Coogler bod He's got a big number attached to 414 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: his name and would seem to be a candidate to 415 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: get trimmed and be a sour cap casualty. What do 416 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: you think of that, Darren, I think it's I think 417 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: those kinds of things are on the table, especially again 418 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: if you start talking about eight Josh Jones could potentially 419 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: play guard, and oh, by the way, they you know, 420 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: they they still have Justin Murray and they've you got 421 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: some other possibilities Mason Cole maybe or Lamont Galliard, even 422 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: although I think he makes more sense at center. So 423 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to figure some stuff out. 424 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: What we don't really know yet is how they might 425 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: address where they are with a cap room and from 426 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: the from the numbers that I've seen out there there, 427 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: they Ballpark are gonna have around thirteen to fifteen million 428 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: dollars in cap space, which is an okay number, but 429 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: when you think about how many people there they could 430 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: be losing because none of that includes them. I mean 431 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: that already wipes out Patrick Peterson's number, and as Reddick 432 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: and Larry Fitzgerald and Kenyan Drake. So you're talking about 433 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: having to replace those guys potentially if they leave. So 434 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be figured out. And I don't 435 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: know what direction they might do. And you know, does 436 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: Justin Pugh take a pay cut or could they cut 437 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: him or do they just run with him saying, hey, 438 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: he had a really good year, We're just going to 439 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: live with his number because it makes sense, and we'll 440 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: find that space elsewhere. That's still to be determined, and 441 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: I do think there's an outside chance they could make 442 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: some moves as we get closer to the New York 443 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: League year. I think it really comes down to Justin 444 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: Pugh as well, in his society level with the Arizona Cardinals, 445 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: how much he likes being here in Phoenix. Because these 446 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: are the decisions a lot of guys in the NFL 447 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: are going to have to make one year decisions where 448 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to say, listen, I'm going to take 449 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: a haircut on this because of the salary cap situation 450 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: being what it is. How much do I like the fit, 451 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: how much do I like the city? How much do 452 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: I like being here? Am I going to live here 453 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: when I'm done? A lot of things come into play 454 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: on that, but I can see just Stin Pew taking 455 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: a haircut as well. Well, you know. Sean Coogler had 456 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: thoughts on how the old line can get better. He 457 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: also said as an offense, the Cardinals need to get 458 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: more consistent. That flashes of greatness and offense didn't get 459 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: them where they wanted to be. So how We'll get 460 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: into that next with Darren Urban on the Big Red 461 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: Rage presented by Santan Boord and Gilbert shot guns naff 462 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: to Murray, stemps up and takes off far side of 463 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: the twenty got room at the ten, cuts right to 464 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: the five jukes to defender and score touchdown Kyler Murray 465 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: a twenty two yard run, his second rushing touchdown of 466 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: the game. That defender is in multiple pieces at the 467 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: five yard line because he tried to break down and 468 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: make that play, and Kyler broke him down when right 469 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: through Washington secondary life buttering the microwave, Baby, I see 470 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: an arm of foot, a piece of the torso on 471 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: the ground there of the Washington defender as he got 472 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: shook by Kyler Murray. That was spectacular. Oh my goodness. 473 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: It's just it's unfair that week to win against Washington 474 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: thirty to fifteen Cardinals at twenty seven three in that game, 475 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray had a pair of rushing touchdowns fourteen 476 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: and twenty one yards right there, and uh yeah, that 477 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: was a Cardinals two and oh start. And Kyler in 478 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 1: year two. It is the big Red Rage presented by 479 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: santan Ford and Gilbert. We are Satan for Paul kelvc 480 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: Ron Wilfley and Cardinals insider Darren Urban and Darren I've 481 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: tried to tell Wolf that I see Kyler's third year 482 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: being a lot like what Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen 483 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: did in their third year taking the Cardinals to the postseason. 484 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: I think is going to be the ultimate gauge. And 485 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: I just think the way those guys had pretty good 486 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: starts of their NFL careers although they didn't make a 487 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl like Kyler did in year two. I just 488 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: think that year three is going to be a huge 489 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: launching pad for Kyler and his play and as a leader. 490 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: What do you make of that statement? I mean, I 491 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: hope so it's funny. I have to smile a little 492 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: bit because at this time last year, what we were 493 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: saying was, I think year two is going to be 494 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: that year for Kyler Murray because that's when Patrick Mahomes 495 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: made his big jump and Lamar Jackson made his big jump. 496 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: I think year two is going to be it for 497 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. And then he obviously played very well this 498 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: year a good chunk of the times, but there are 499 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: other times when you wish you would have been a 500 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: little bit better. And now we're kind of like, okay, 501 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: maybe it's year three. I do think this. I think 502 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: that I think there's gonna be a lot of for 503 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: lack of a better term, pressure on Kyler next year, 504 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,239 Speaker 1: on Cliff Kingsbury and just how this team is going 505 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: to go. There's an assumption there was once once they 506 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: got to five and two and even six and three, 507 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: I think there was an assumption they were going to 508 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and we all know that it was 509 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: a massive disappointment they didn't. If they don't make the 510 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: playoffs next year, and there are ways where they could 511 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: not make the playoffs and play good football, and there's 512 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: nuance there, but for the most part, if they don't 513 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: make the playoffs next year, I mean, what are we 514 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: talking about here? What are we what are we doing? 515 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: And I think Kyler Murray taking that kind of step 516 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: that you're saying Paul is going to be a big 517 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: part of it. But I do think it goes beyond 518 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: just him. I mean, I do think they need some 519 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: offensive skill pieces around him to help them get there. 520 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: And you know what, with that in mind, Sean Kugler 521 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: was asked about the offense as a whole in general 522 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: and beyond Kyler and what can they do, what should 523 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: they do based on what they learned in year two 524 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: with Kyler under center? They're going to try to take 525 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: away Kyler because he's such a dynamic player, and you know, 526 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: there is you know, standards of different ways of trying 527 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: to do that, but it also opens up other things 528 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: as well, So you know, sometimes they have to play 529 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: it perfectly or Kyler's going to pull it and when 530 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: he pulls it, he's very dangerous, and if they do 531 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: the thing is to take it away. You know, we 532 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: just need to be efficient enough in other areas where 533 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: we can handle that and excel theoretically. Well, if they're 534 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: going to put all that attention on Kyler, which seemingly 535 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: happened in the second half of the season, the Cardinals 536 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: should be able to make them pay in other ways 537 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: by exploiting that defense in other areas, Right yeah, PAULI. 538 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: For me, it's all about running the ball in a 539 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: north south fashion, and it's the one thing I think 540 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: they kind of got away from last year. It's the 541 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: one thing I think when I go all the way 542 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: back to twenty nineteen that really made Kyler's rookie year 543 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: as special as it was the fact that they could 544 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: run the ball in between the tackles in a north 545 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: south way, and the second half of twenty nineteen with 546 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: twelve personnel, one back, two tight ends, they really did 547 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: a good job of running north and south. What's happening 548 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: right now is you've got to defensive edges. Whether it's 549 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: a defensive end or whether it's an outside linebacker. You 550 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: got the edges right now and They're not going to 551 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: let Kyler run the ball. They're not going to let 552 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: that happened. So what do they do. They stand there 553 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: on the edge and they force him to hand that 554 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: ball off. And there's a lot of people right now 555 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: that are working on a defender actually trying to do 556 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,239 Speaker 1: both to force that. Now, it hasn't worked great. It's 557 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: the reason why the zone read is what it is. 558 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of things that's an edge guy 559 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: can actually do to confuse a quarterback as well. All 560 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: he's got to do is crossover and act like he's 561 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: going to take one step down the line of scrimmage 562 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: and then stop and suddenly the quarterback was reading him 563 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: to close and takes the ball out. And it's a 564 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: tough proposition. You see teams doing this to Kyler Murray 565 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: on the edge. They are defending Kyler Murray, which means, hey, listen, 566 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: just hand the ball off and run it in a 567 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: north south way, run it well and you'll gain yards. 568 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: Sean Kogler, the fact that you know he got the 569 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: promotion and the title on the offseason, Okay, is it 570 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: really just about that or do you think that signals 571 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: a different direction with this offense, Well, he certainly wasn't 572 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: going to go there today he was asked specifically about that, 573 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: and he basically said, there's really going to be nothing different. 574 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: He just has a new title, and I had a 575 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: feeling and then it was something like that would happen 576 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: if if he was asked. I don't know if there's 577 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: going to be a whole lot of difference everything I 578 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: understood about what they were doing already. Sean Coogler had 579 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: a huge part in their run game in the first place, 580 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: and in fact, Cliff Kingsbury has said that multiple times. 581 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,479 Speaker 1: So do I think it's going to be a lot different? 582 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: I don't think the offense per se is going to 583 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: be a lot different. Again, you know, I go back 584 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: to like, what kind of personnel are we talking about having. 585 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: Are they going to bring back Keane Drake again, or 586 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: are they going to go and have a bigger back 587 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: which changes the dynamic a little bit, Chase Emmons or 588 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: a bigger back. You know, I would love that date 589 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: what's that? I would love that, honestly, if with a 590 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: bigger back and hammer the ball in between the tackles. 591 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: Right now, I've that to me. The physicality I think 592 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: is where they can improve the most. What would that 593 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: bigger back do for the offense? Though, well, for real quick, 594 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean just football one on one? What would that 595 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: do that perhaps a Kenyan draker Chase Edmonds can once again, 596 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: You've got guys on the edge, Paul, that are trying 597 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: to force Kyler Murray to hand the ball off, So 598 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: good hand the ball off and let somebody rip it 599 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: for four yards. Have somebody come off the ball. You've 600 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,959 Speaker 1: got to change the mentality. I think of what we 601 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: saw last year, I didn't think they ran the ball 602 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: as well as they did in twenty nineteen. That was 603 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: the difference. I know in the first nine games of 604 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: the season it looked like they were there's no doubt 605 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: about it. But teams figured out the Arizona Cardinals in 606 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: their rushing attack and the second half of the season. 607 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: Can we agree on that? Yep. And that's why I 608 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: would totally agree on that. And that's why I threw 609 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: the question out Darren, Okay, are these a few tweaks 610 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: or they need a different direction, a new philosophy of 611 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: sorts on offense. I come back to my question. I 612 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: think that is the question in the offseason, the offense well, 613 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: I guess, and I would defer to Wolf in terms 614 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: of the actual analysis here. There's a couple of things. One, 615 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: I do think they need another pass catcher that would 616 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: that would make their passing game a little bit more 617 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: dynamic than it was with basically DeAndre Hopkins, and then 618 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: some other pieces that weren't doing as well as they 619 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: wanted to. But let's go back to two years. I mean, 620 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 1: and again Wolf can answer this question with what they were. 621 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 1: They weren't running the ball as well last year a 622 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: lot of the time when it wasn't Kyler as they 623 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: were in twenty nineteen. But were they doing things differently offensively? 624 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: I don't think they really were. I think they were 625 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: just not doing it well. So that tells me the 626 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: offense wasn't the issue as much as the execution, because 627 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 1: if they were running basically the same offense and just 628 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: not getting the same production, I mean, because we saw 629 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: down the stretch in twenty nineteen, that running game looked 630 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, you know, he's so weird too, because 631 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake, would you say he was productive? D There's 632 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: no doubt abound he was productive. Nine hundred and fifty 633 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: five yards. He was forty five yards short of a 634 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: thousand yards rushing. He had ten touchdowns as well. He 635 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: was productive, but when you go back and watch the tape, 636 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: I think he could have been more productive. Does that 637 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: make sense? Even his mom at one point in the season, 638 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: remember he told the story his mom said he was 639 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: running laterally and he needed to go north south. So 640 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: so yes, I think. And even after wins through the 641 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: first half of the season, how many times did Kyla say, well, 642 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: we left a lot out there? Yeah? And so yes, 643 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: that was your takeaway that even though they were winning, 644 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: even though they were seemingly averaging close to thirty points 645 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: a game in those first nine games, the offense was 646 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: far from flawless. I mean, there was a lot that 647 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: they left out in that guylon. It was Kyla, right, 648 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: it was Kyler Murray, and it was Kyler running the 649 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: ball an awful lot. And then team said, you know what, 650 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: we're not going to let him do that. We're not 651 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: gonna let Kyler Murray beat us on this zone read 652 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: We're not going to do that. We're not gonna let 653 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray run the ball on an RPO or hand 654 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: the ball off on an RPO. We're going to force 655 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: him to actually throw it, and you can do that. 656 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: That's the one thing about defense, if in fact you 657 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: want to dictate to the offense, when you run RPOs 658 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: and you run the zone read a defense can dictate 659 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: what happens to the offense, especially in rundown situation. If 660 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: you want as we as we as we wrap with 661 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: Darren Urban here, well, if you want to know what 662 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: it's like to be a Cardinals insider, Darren, to what 663 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: degree are you following social media twenty four seven in 664 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: anticipation of some sort of indication from Larry Fitzgerald. I 665 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm necessarily following it, but I got 666 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: more notifications on Twitter, different Twitter people than I normally would. 667 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: Let's put it all like, okay, all right, just so 668 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just saying you don't really start your 669 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: off season until Larry makes his decision. I guess that's 670 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: what saying. Thank you, buddy. Thanks, All right, there you go, 671 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: Darren Urban, keep up the good work at acy Cardinals 672 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: dot com and beyond. We continue with a big Red 673 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: Rage presented by Satan Ford k Gilbert Garoppolo out a 674 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: shotgun McKinnon in the backfield with him Garoppolo as the ball, 675 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: thankes the handoff stands of the pocket pumps and in 676 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: trouble backs up still ask the ball and then he's 677 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: finally wrapped up and sacked by Chandler Jones. Are you 678 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: planning on cutting Chandler Jones? I'll reject that. There you go, 679 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: that was pretty definitive newsmaker's week. I'll get it right. 680 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: Doug in Wolf ninety eight seven FM Arizona Sports Doug 681 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: with a question and Steve Kim with a pretty concrete 682 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: answer on the future of Chandler Jones. As there's been 683 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: speculation out there, Ron Wolf, please you guys discussed with 684 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: the Cardinals GM. It is a big red rage presented 685 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: by santan Ford and Gilbert Special thanks to Darren Urban 686 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: Cardinals Insider. But when it comes to Chandler Jones and 687 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: the fact that he missed most of last season and 688 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: he's coming back this season with twenty plus million do 689 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: him on his final year of his contract, I guess 690 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: that does make him a target of speculation. But to 691 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: assume that makes him a salary cap casualty, well, Steve 692 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: Kime shut that down. Yeah, you know, and rightfully so. 693 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: I would say it's a bicep terror of course that 694 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: he's coming back from. And that's great because you don't 695 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: want it to be something with his lower extremities paly 696 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: like a like an Achilles or an acl or something 697 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: like that. Right, you'd rather see it be an upper 698 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: body injury like what he suffered, rather than something with 699 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: his lower body. That's so critical for an edge rusher, 700 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: especially at his age. Right, the dreads thirty plus and 701 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: then there's always this speculation, and rightfully so is it 702 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: really a one year injury or is it going to 703 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: take him two years to come back if it's a 704 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: knee or an achilles. So look, if Paul Pencilnet can 705 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: come back from a recent bicep, Arry, you know Chandler 706 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: Jones can. So I think we're all looking forward to that. 707 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: The question was a strain, It was not a terror. 708 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: The question is, and I'll show you this car to 709 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: prove it, Ron wolf Lea. The question becomes, are they 710 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: going to get a contract extension done and bring his 711 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: cap number down? That might be one way to work it. 712 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: And either way, who are they going to get to 713 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: be his bookend pass rusher? N Reddick's still going to 714 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: be here Marcus Golden. I mean, how critical is that, Paulie. 715 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: This is something that you and I have ruminated about 716 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. But to listen, you're looking 717 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: at your edge and you're looking at your corner position. 718 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: Would you say that's important that combination once again, right 719 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: for a defense in the National Football League and the 720 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: year twenty twenty one of our Lord, I can tell 721 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: you right now, the edge and the corner. That's kind 722 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: of important right there. And the Cardinals have question marks 723 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: at the edge and the corner, and that's I'm sure 724 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: something that Steve Kim and his staff are going to address. 725 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: How about a On Reddick on a tag? The tag 726 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: window opened this week. Whether would you feel about that? Polly? 727 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: How would you feel if you got the transition tag? 728 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: I think it might make a lot of sense. Obviously, 729 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: it's tough when it comes to the numbers and the 730 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: salary cap being reduced to one hundred and eighty million 731 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,919 Speaker 1: or so. We'll see the final number. But you want 732 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: to see what exactly you have after year two at 733 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: that position for a Son Reddick, right, I mean, he 734 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: proved himself, but it was on such a limited sample size. 735 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: You want to get a sense, Okay, is this for real? 736 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,479 Speaker 1: And if he comes back on a one year deal 737 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: and he's just as motivated as he was this year, 738 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: then you get a true sense as to whether he 739 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: has stained power as an edge rusher, especially at age 740 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: twenty six. You want to know, Can I invest in 741 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: this guy long term? Yeah? No, Polly, I would consider 742 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: using the transition tag on Hassan, Right, can you give 743 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 1: us one more? Can you do it? One more year? 744 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: You got? If you had Hassan Riddick and you had 745 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones out there, well you'd feel pretty good about 746 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: the edge, especially if somehow, some way you can still 747 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: bring back the junkyard dog. Marcus Golden is a guy 748 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: that would play more and run down situations. Maybe a 749 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: guy coming off the edge who you know he's going 750 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: to give you everything. He's got a good rotation guy 751 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: to be able to come in and play and be 752 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: a professional right there. I would love to see them 753 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: do that and somehow some way still be able to 754 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: bring back pat P. And I'm worried about that one 755 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: because Pat P to me, I think of the Tampa 756 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers number one with Todd Bowles BA and maybe 757 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: giving them a hometown discount, so to speak. And then 758 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs as well, Paulie with Tyrone Matthew there, 759 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 1: Tyrone Matthew has got great clout inside that organization. Andy 760 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: Reid respects him greatly, and we know the friendship the brotherhood, 761 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: if you will. Between Tyrone Matthew and Pat p I mean, look, 762 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: Pat p has had better seasons obviously, and he was 763 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: the most penalized defensive player in the league. We get that, 764 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: But where is the Cardinal's defense without Patrick Peterson at corner? 765 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: On the depth chart? Yeah, I mean, to Darren's point earlier, 766 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: they would need two starting corners at that point, and 767 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: you don't know who's going to be there at number sixteen. 768 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: A lot of mock drafts have the three big corners 769 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,479 Speaker 1: who are worthy of that selection already being gone before 770 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: the Cardinals select in the middle of the first round. So, 771 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: to your point earlier about the importance of edge, rusher 772 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: and corner remember what Steve Kyme always says in the 773 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: first round, there are four positions that are most definitely 774 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: worthy quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher, and cornerback. And so 775 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: if you can maybe solve the edge rusher with a 776 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: tag on a Son Reddick and Chandler Jones is coming back. 777 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: I think that clears the way for the Cardinals to 778 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: target corner in round one. We'll wrap up this edition 779 00:40:52,520 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: to the Big Red Rage next as he had him, 780 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: We got him do Go Hawks, Hawks. I'm gonna see 781 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: y'all in the morning. You can go to sleeping. That's 782 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: reminiscent of a Sunday Live skit, is it? Not totally 783 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: except that's not the ladies man. That's Russell Wilson and 784 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: Ciara from the master bedroom around midnight of the evening 785 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: where he signed on the line that has dotted to 786 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: become the highest paid player in the NFL when he 787 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: inked his contract, and then our Jim Momahunter added the 788 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: background music which is titled by the Way, Smoke Stacks 789 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: of Sacks. That's the music bed right there. Just to 790 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: let you know, Polly, that was the beginning. That was 791 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 1: the beginning of it all, where Russell Wilson did stuff 792 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: that I think is out of character or at least 793 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: my perception of Russell Wilson. That's where it's started, where 794 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: he was doing things differently, Let's put it that way. Well, 795 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: when you look at the tweet by Adam Schefter. We're 796 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: wrapping up this edition of The Big Red Rage presented 797 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: by santan Ford and Gilbert, and we're looking over the 798 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: block wall into the Seahawks backyard. And how can you 799 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: not right now when you saw that in depth article 800 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 1: out of the Athletic detailing the dysfunction and the divide 801 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: was the word they used between Russell Wilson and the organization. 802 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: And then Adam Schefter tweeted out that the four teams 803 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: he would be willing to waive his no trade cause 804 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 1: to would be Dallas, Vegas, Chicago, and New Orleans. So Wolf, 805 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: to your point, I mean those are all big time 806 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: media markets, a lot of glamor a lot of attention 807 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: in those teams in those markets. I mean those were 808 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: selected to be both a player and an entertainer, if 809 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: you will, to maximize his brand if you ask me, Yeah, Paul. 810 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 1: And we've been talking about this since the whole Deshaun 811 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: Watson thing as well, but right now, there was a 812 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: concerted effort in the National Football League for franchise quarterbacks 813 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: to have more say in the organization. You could see 814 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: this happening. I would you ever have banked on Russell 815 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks having this kind of supposed 816 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: rift between them in the front. I would have never 817 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: even imagined that. Paul. I know that he's kind of 818 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: complained in the past a little bit in regard to 819 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: his offensive line, and rightfully so, but nothing like saying 820 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: I would accept a trade. Here are the four teams 821 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: I would accept a trade. Two and not that I 822 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: want to be traded, but here's the four teams that 823 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: I never in a million years thought we'd get to 824 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 1: this point. And I can also say this, PAULI, there's 825 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: no way it's going to happen, right, John Schneider, there's 826 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: no way you're gonna trade Russell Wilson. Well, first off, 827 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: if they do, it's a thirty nine million dollar cap hit. 828 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you it's a party in the NFC 829 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: West too. I mean, it wouldn't seem feasible. But in 830 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: this story they talk about Russell Wilson and we all 831 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: saw it during the Super Bowl, sitting in the owners 832 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: in the Commissioner's box, and supposedly he was seething. According 833 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: to the stories, he's watching Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes 834 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: playing the Super Bowl. You realize the Seahawks haven't been 835 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship game since twenty fourteen. Wow, the 836 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals went in fifteen obviously, So he wants his ideas 837 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: and his suggestions heated to when it comes to scheme 838 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: and personnel and the story details. How John Steiner and 839 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll have quote dismissed him and his input and 840 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, there's a big rift right now between Russell 841 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 1: Wilson and the team. Do you see what Buddha tweeted 842 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: out today? Oh? They better hope they don't do it. 843 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: I'll believe it when I see it. Paul. By the way, 844 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,320 Speaker 1: how about a happy birthday to our guy, Rolando Canto, 845 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,439 Speaker 1: former Cardinals and our broadcaster. He is forty. I'm a man, 846 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: I'm forty today, Rolando Canto? How about that? Hey's by 847 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: the way, if you see him in an alley, go 848 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: the other way, big guys, special thanks Jim A Hunter 849 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: of Cody Fitcher, Darren Herban. This has been the Big 850 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: Red Rage Number one. You've been listening to The Big 851 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: Red Rage presented by Santanford in Gildall. Are you Santanford 852 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: State Farm talk to an agent today at eight hundred 853 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: State Farm and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit acy cardinals 854 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: dot com Slash podcasts. 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