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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, heckma Harrison, and New.
Speaker 2: He scrugs.
Speaker 3: Monday, Monday, Monday Monday, Draft Week is here. Let's ride
Speaker 3: on the players Une right, you buy tostitos. Heck Maharrison
Speaker 3: is here, Danny McCrae is here. Mister perfect attendance is
Speaker 3: not here. I'm new, He scrugs. Mister perfect tendants would
Speaker 3: be Barry Church. Church.
Speaker 2: What is uh?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 5: What does perfect attendance really mean? Because I remember, you know,
Speaker 5: you don't make fun of me for not being here.
Speaker 5: At least I was. I was working. I know, I
Speaker 5: know what here. I've seen him out dad in Mexico, Lande, Mexico.
Speaker 5: That was the White Love Mexico White Birthday. So I understand,
Speaker 5: you know you got stuff to do. He could have
Speaker 5: came back Sunday so he could be perfect attendants. But
Speaker 5: you know, Church, we miss you, bro, see you next week.
Speaker 3: We got zoom capability.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think anybody wanted to zoom with a brother.
Speaker 5: That is an all exclusive resort. Right, he might have
Speaker 5: started earlier. I don't think we want to talk to
Speaker 5: b CBC. Do your thing. You stay out there.
Speaker 3: Man, you're perfect.
Speaker 2: Your tendanc is no longer perfect, though you call yourself that.
Speaker 5: Okay, I know the perfect attendance, man, it is probably
Speaker 5: listening with a with an umbrella drinking his hand.
Speaker 2: Right now, he's not listening. He's not listening.
Speaker 5: I wanted to get look, I wanted to give him
Speaker 5: the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3: All right, he's you wouldn't be listening. You wouldn't be.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be. No, no, no, So when you was
Speaker 3: in Spain and you wouldn't listen, we were We didn't
Speaker 3: do anything when you was Yeah, yeah, we was on.
Speaker 5: We were talking about you being on your on your
Speaker 5: vacation for schools work school.
Speaker 3: Yeah you worked out right, Yes it was. It was
Speaker 3: two weeks, yeah, yes, yes it was. Yes, it was.
Speaker 3: Shout out to you, man. Everybody wish they could work
Speaker 3: like that. Lisbon, I highly recommend it. My friends lit
Speaker 3: Madrid not so much. Lisbon. Yes, the twenty six pick
Speaker 3: in the draft right now, the first round is being
Speaker 3: held by the Dallas Cowboys. Oh, by the way, we
Speaker 3: are coming to you from the Star headquarters of the
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys, and they do have a press conference at
Speaker 3: high noon today. So Gerald Wayne Jones is going to
Speaker 3: be there, Steven Jones will be there, Will McLay will
Speaker 3: be there, and head coach Mike McCarthy. So they're going
Speaker 3: to give us their take on the draft. And for me,
Speaker 3: I want to get your guys like, what question would
Speaker 3: you want to ask to me? I'd like to ask
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy, what types of changes would you like to
Speaker 3: see draft wise? As you are now the play caller
Speaker 3: here for your offense.
Speaker 5: I was about to say, make sure when you introduced
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy, you say Mike McCarthy head coach and play caller.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: We want to make sure that everybody understands that Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy is now the play caller and not killing Moore. Right,
Speaker 5: McCarthy head coach and play caller right now? You know
Speaker 5: what I want to know what Mike is looking for
Speaker 5: now that he is the play caller. The whole gripe
Speaker 5: I think in the offseason has been about the offense.
Speaker 5: The number one offense at certain points at the season,
Speaker 5: Daniel McCrae. We know that we need stuff, you know,
Speaker 5: and will it be offensive line, will it be skilled positioned?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: There's so many mysteries around this draft, and to me,
Speaker 5: it's because it's not that deeper draft. I don't see
Speaker 5: the talent there for us at twenty six. A lot
Speaker 5: of wonky things are going to happen on Thursday, and
Speaker 5: if some guys fall because some teams at the top ten,
Speaker 5: top five are desperate, then I think it could make
Speaker 5: for an interesting night. But if it goes according to
Speaker 5: the board, I don't know what's going to be there
Speaker 5: for us at twenty six. Yeah, I would like to
Speaker 5: ask Mike McCarthy, the head coach and play caller, about
Speaker 5: the offensive line and what he thinks about it, especially
Speaker 5: since he's in the past. Or as soon as La
Speaker 5: More was out of here, what I heard from Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy was, we need to run the ball. Our defense
Speaker 5: is strong and we need to give them rest and
Speaker 5: we need to be able to run the ball more.
Speaker 5: Does that mean that you are going to focus more
Speaker 5: on your offensive line? Because I always hark it back
Speaker 5: to twenty fourteen, and then I'll go back to twenty
Speaker 5: sixteen when you have this offensive line in this running game,
Speaker 5: and at that point, the offensive line was feared. When
Speaker 5: you have your offensive line like that, it helps you
Speaker 5: be able to then do what Mike McCarthy wants to do. Right,
Speaker 5: Church played on the twenty fourteen team, and I promise
Speaker 5: you they were on the sideline rested when I was
Speaker 5: playing for the Bears. Them dudes was on the sideline
Speaker 5: the whole time, chilling, chilling. They came in, got a
Speaker 5: three and out, then they went set back on the
Speaker 5: bench for another eight minutes. Right, And that was one
Speaker 5: of the best, best, best teams of the last ten
Speaker 5: years for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: So is that something that we're focusing on this draft?
Speaker 5: As a former player, does is there any intrigue for
Speaker 5: you in the way that the league has changed away
Speaker 5: from that mantra of we're gonna run the ball. It's
Speaker 5: not even it's not there anymore. Everybody wants to play
Speaker 5: seven on seven style right now. And let's think about it.
Speaker 5: Even the running back position, there's only b Jon Robinson
Speaker 5: in the first round. Nobody else is talking about Gibbs
Speaker 5: from Alabani. You're not talking about any other running back.
Speaker 5: We're only talking about receivers.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: I think it's more of how the running game has
Speaker 5: changed from power trap counter now.
Speaker 2: To zone read speed sweeps right.
Speaker 5: So when you're running power and trap right, de Marco
Speaker 5: Murray and Ezekiel Ellie and Derreck Henry, those guys, they
Speaker 5: don't have to catch out of the backfield as much.
Speaker 5: What they have to do is be able to read
Speaker 5: those blocks when the guard pools around. Now you got
Speaker 5: to be able to have read option. You need to
Speaker 5: scat back a guy who can get through the hole
Speaker 5: really quickly, like a Tony Powler, like a Miles Sanders,
Speaker 5: those type of players, and then you also have to
Speaker 5: be able to catch the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 5: So I think it's just changed a lot, and it's
Speaker 5: actually exciting to see now. Not as exciting for guys
Speaker 5: who are are accustomed to hitting the hole in the
Speaker 5: power being able to run a trap and read those
Speaker 5: blocks and get up get up the middle like of
Speaker 5: Adrian Peterson. Now it's more Christian McCaffrey and Miles Sanders
Speaker 5: and those type of guys. So I think it's more
Speaker 5: fun for the game, but it's a you know, it's
Speaker 5: it's a big change from what I grew up playing
Speaker 5: and watching.
Speaker 3: Another question, like to ask Mike speaking of the run game,
Speaker 3: Skippy Pete was very honest when he said Pollard and
Speaker 3: Zeke are a tandem, and Mike has talked about how
Speaker 3: you know you don't really have a one horse running
Speaker 3: back anymore in the league. That it's it's it's a
Speaker 3: job for two guys, Tony Pollard coming off an injury.
Speaker 3: How do you improve the running back room? Is it
Speaker 3: through the draft? Do they look to bring someone in
Speaker 3: after the draft, what else do they do? I just
Speaker 3: feel like the running back room is not complete right now,
Speaker 3: not enough. No, the contract he signed basically you cut
Speaker 3: him during camp. He got make the team. So to me,
Speaker 3: when you sign somebody with a contract contract like that,
Speaker 3: that I mean you've been in a game long enough to.
Speaker 2: You Oh yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 5: I just you know, like when you pick up players
Speaker 5: like Ronald Jones, or you look at players old film, right,
Speaker 5: it's hard for you not to be like, oh, man,
Speaker 5: I remember when he had a ninety nine yard run,
Speaker 5: or when him and Leonard four nettwork competing for the
Speaker 5: starting job out there and Tampa and Leonard four Nette
Speaker 5: got hurting you like, oh, Ronald Jones has arrived, and
Speaker 5: then you remember that he also lost that job again
Speaker 5: and then it became playoff Lenny, Right.
Speaker 2: But you hope when you pick a guy up like
Speaker 2: that that you.
Speaker 5: Can get the other guy, that guy who can can
Speaker 5: be the one two punch with Tony Poller.
Speaker 2: But you just don't know.
Speaker 5: So, so to your point, I think you got to
Speaker 5: get somebody in the draft, not as early as first round.
Speaker 5: I don't think you have to do that, but I
Speaker 5: think you have to get somebody who can come in
Speaker 5: and spell Tony Pollard whenever he gets gets a little fatigued,
Speaker 5: or just to make sure to wear a terror is
Speaker 5: not too much for him to go throughout the full season. No,
Speaker 5: and Renald Jones, to me, could be that bridge player.
Speaker 5: He could be a guy that can feel in if
Speaker 5: you don't have a pick a running back and you
Speaker 5: don't get a running back. All right, But I still
Speaker 5: believe that in a guy like Malie Davis, I think
Speaker 5: we've given him plenty of opportunity. But I get and
Speaker 5: I see the promise in him as well. The thing
Speaker 5: is is when you go back to Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 5: his offense, is it gonna be along the lines of
Speaker 5: what you're talking about those read uh versus power?
Speaker 2: You have an offense that can do power.
Speaker 5: The only team that I can think of that would
Speaker 5: would you say San Francisco would be a power run
Speaker 5: team with they yes, okay, Philadelphia power run team on
Speaker 5: more of a zone or the the red zones And okay,
Speaker 5: I think my answer to yours will say, if Dak
Speaker 5: Prescott is going to run the ball and provide.
Speaker 2: Let's say no, let's say know right now.
Speaker 5: Maybe you're gonna have to go along the lines of
Speaker 5: a Shanahan type of style of the game.
Speaker 2: Has to be really creative. But yeah, YOU'RENNA.
Speaker 5: You're gonna run in between the tackles often enough to
Speaker 5: where you're gonna need two guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I like Ronald Jones. I like the addition of Ronald Jones.
Speaker 5: But to me, I have that stuck in my head
Speaker 5: from Mickey Spagnola Bridge Players, and I just kind of
Speaker 5: felt as though he.
Speaker 3: May have been that.
Speaker 5: But I'm with you Newie on that when he has
Speaker 5: to make this team, so he's really gonna be an
Speaker 5: uphill battle for him, especially if the Cowboys can't take
Speaker 5: him away with b Jeon Robinson in this drive.
Speaker 3: I am not allowing myself to believe that there will
Speaker 3: be any Bjon here.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just not.
Speaker 2: We got lucky with CD.
Speaker 3: You know somebody. I was Chris armen Field in but
Speaker 3: I did a guest spot on his show one of three,
Speaker 3: The Fan City, and they brought up Todd mcshay's and
Speaker 3: the Cowboys when they trade. Could see them trading up
Speaker 3: to seventeen for b Jean Robertson my first tart, I said, look,
Speaker 3: I like Todds. Remember Todd before he got the ESPN.
Speaker 3: We try to do the come up, but Todd is
Speaker 3: doing what you people do. During this time, we're gonna
Speaker 3: talk about a rumor. What are you giving up to
Speaker 3: get to seventeen? Who do you have to get in
Speaker 3: front of? What are you willing to also say we
Speaker 3: don't need this second or third round pick? And we're
Speaker 3: talking about a team here that has to dole out
Speaker 3: some pretty significant contracts coming up here soon. Cedee Lamb
Speaker 3: has to get paid. Trayvon Diggs has to get paid
Speaker 3: because while CD was on a five year contract, Digs
Speaker 3: was on a four year contract. Michael Parsons has to
Speaker 3: get paid, Dak Prescott has to has to be renegotiated.
Speaker 3: So if you're talking about moving up to seventeen for Bijon,
Speaker 3: what are you going to give up second third round
Speaker 3: pick that you say we don't have access to that
Speaker 3: particular player because we're going to move up to get
Speaker 3: Bjon Robinson. Or maybe you're saying we'll have Bijon on
Speaker 3: a very team friendly contract and we don't have to
Speaker 3: have Tony Pollard after next year. That puts ten million
Speaker 3: dollars someplace else. I mean, I'm just but I just
Speaker 3: don't see the run. I don't see them doing that
Speaker 3: with the running back. And then let we just bring up
Speaker 3: this last point. Went back to see Kansas City's last
Speaker 3: rosters on the two Super Bowl teams they've won. For
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes at running back the Super Bowl fifty fourteen,
Speaker 3: Darwin Thompson, Lashawn McCoy, who sat on the bench and
Speaker 3: he was mad because they playing that bill right, he
Speaker 3: playing that game. He was an active and Damian Williams.
Speaker 3: Damian Williams seventeen carries one hundred four yards and a touchdown,
Speaker 3: and that win over San Francisco not one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty nine total yards rushing. Then last year the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl fifty seven back in February, it was Jared McKinnon,
Speaker 3: Ronald Jones, other Cowboys. Clyde Edwards. Hilaire was a running
Speaker 3: back on the team, but he was inactive. And then
Speaker 3: it was Isaiah Pacheco's seventh rounder, Andy Reeves always run
Speaker 3: the football wherever he's gone. But if this is what
Speaker 3: he's winning with here, you don't have to go get
Speaker 3: Bjon Robinson the way some people are saying. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: if you can block, okay, you can block, and you
Speaker 3: get good quarterback play, you don't have to have O. J.
Speaker 3: Simpson or Jim Brown to win the championship.
Speaker 5: I want to be I want to be fair in
Speaker 5: this one and say Andy Reid has Patrick Mahone, Travis
Speaker 5: Kelcey and Eric being and me and him both outstanding
Speaker 5: play callers, being able to bounce ideas off each other
Speaker 5: and see things that others may not be able to
Speaker 5: see in game and make things like that happen. Right,
Speaker 5: So you can't get any you know, seventh rounder to
Speaker 5: come in there in any offense to be able to
Speaker 5: do that. But if you have an offense to where
Speaker 5: man we got to focus on Travis Kelcey, oh I
Speaker 5: met Patrick Mahons might be able to do this. He
Speaker 5: gets us in trouble when he's out of the pocket,
Speaker 5: when he's on the move. We have so many other
Speaker 5: things to focus on. Oh wait, now we got Tony
Speaker 5: coming through here and he's running the ball like you
Speaker 5: have so many other things to worry about. If we
Speaker 5: can have our offense be that dynamic, right, is that
Speaker 5: going to be on the move and be able to
Speaker 5: scramble like a Patrick Mahomes Is is our tight end
Speaker 5: play going to Gardner? The type of attention that Travis
Speaker 5: Kelsey os. How is our receiving room going to do?
Speaker 5: Because last year outside of CD lambt so. But if
Speaker 5: you can get all of that, then yeah, you could
Speaker 5: throw seven rounder in there and be like, all right, well,
Speaker 5: we just need you to have one good game. But
Speaker 5: when you're leaning on your running game for the entire season,
Speaker 5: you might need a Bjeon guy or Tony Polar or
Speaker 5: Ezekiel Elliot of the past to be able to carry
Speaker 5: that for the.
Speaker 3: Entire elite Hall of Fame players.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a that's a great articulation of just
Speaker 5: saying this, ain't that's what you.
Speaker 3: Just basically did. This Ain't that argument?
Speaker 5: I mean, and look, man, y'all know the positive heck
Speaker 5: over here. I feel like I'm always pandering to the
Speaker 5: crowd of people that see the silver lining and everything
Speaker 5: for the Dallas Cowboys. But I'm preparing myself to be
Speaker 5: ticked off on Thursday. Really, I am. I am because
Speaker 5: so much of this season last season just looking at
Speaker 5: what philadel did in the trade that they made.
Speaker 3: Philadelphia has the tenth.
Speaker 5: Pick in this draft lot call it that sink in
Speaker 5: the runner up to the Super Bowl. Has the tenth
Speaker 5: pick from New Orleans. Now, how did all that come together?
Speaker 5: New Orleans traded a pick to them that ended up
Speaker 5: they went seven to ten last season, ends up getting
Speaker 5: ten and oh, by the way, last year, Philadelphia takes
Speaker 5: those picks that they received from New Orleans and just
Speaker 5: offers them up for one AJ Brown.
Speaker 2: How did that work out?
Speaker 3: You know, you get a guy that.
Speaker 5: Comes in and improves your team immensely immediately. These are
Speaker 5: the kinds of moves that I am begging for. The
Speaker 5: Cowboys to make you know, heck a lot.
Speaker 3: Of Cowboy fans and we were doing the show after
Speaker 3: they took Tyler Smith weren't happy and I remember with
Speaker 3: a big knock on Tyler and people said, hey, the
Speaker 3: guy was in the American Athletic Conference and he was
Speaker 3: nobody held more people in college football than Tyler Smith.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was not a lot of positives going on,
Speaker 3: people saying they reached you but not and what did
Speaker 3: we see? He was one of the most valuable pieces
Speaker 3: that they had last year. Mike McCarthy consistently talks about
Speaker 3: position flex started at guard. Next thing, you know, right
Speaker 3: before the season starts, Tylern smith hamstring problem goes out
Speaker 3: the left tackle. I hadn't played the left tackle all
Speaker 3: the camp. Guy had a heck of a year. So
Speaker 3: are you gonna be ticked off by what the Cowboys jew?
Speaker 3: He can be ticked off by what are the people
Speaker 3: in the division who are gonna be drafting ahead of because.
Speaker 5: I see the division getting better. That's just the Eagles
Speaker 5: are gonna get a great player at ten. They can
Speaker 5: get a Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2: They could.
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, let's let's put that together. And
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, I'm gonna say the same
Speaker 5: about Tyler Smith, the Great Unknown. He was one of
Speaker 5: those guys that they had boots on the ground. They
Speaker 5: figured out that he could have that possession position flex.
Speaker 5: We hadn't heard of a lot of players this season.
Speaker 5: Maybe the TCU. The TCU guard that we talked about.
Speaker 5: A guy can play guard or maybe center. Other than that,
Speaker 5: I go back.
Speaker 3: To the time I was working in Cleveland and the
Speaker 3: Browns had the tenth pick in the draft. They wanted
Speaker 3: tight end Kyle Brady and Mike mcmulla. Both guys went
Speaker 3: off the board, so they panicked. Mike Lombardi was running
Speaker 3: the draft room. They panic. They traded it all the
Speaker 3: way down with the forty nine ers. The forty nine
Speaker 3: ers took at the tenth pick, and they were praised.
Speaker 3: JJ Stokes, wide receiver out of UCLA, all American wires.
Speaker 3: This is the next Jerry Rice. They got Jerry Rice Junior.
Speaker 3: I mean, and so here the het did the Niners
Speaker 3: do it? We don't know. And they are more missus.
Speaker 3: I mean, he started looking at this stuff. He go back, Man,
Speaker 3: the bus rates gonna be fifty percent plus. And so
Speaker 3: while yes, Philadelphia is sitting here at tenth. You know,
Speaker 3: they couldn't mess it up. There's still the same dude
Speaker 3: who took Jalen Rager.
Speaker 2: It is, but he made up for that just.
Speaker 5: You go.
Speaker 3: Brown, He just stayed with that loan. So you know,
Speaker 3: so so we'll see. That's the thing we'll see. I
Speaker 3: mean for us to just all like, hey man, and
Speaker 3: he's gonna hit. Maybe he doesn't hit.
Speaker 2: You talking about who? Okay?
Speaker 5: I thought you're talking about Jonn Robinson. Y'all remember when
Speaker 5: Trit Williams was the guy I mean, uh rich Richardson, Yes,
Speaker 5: you remember that Cleveland.
Speaker 3: I mean he tore it up in that National Championship
Speaker 3: game against Alabama. You know what, man, this is why
Speaker 3: I'm glad they don't let, you know, buy stocking players
Speaker 3: because I had a bottom buck. I'd have had a
Speaker 3: lot of Trent Richardson, Carson Palmer and r G three stock.
Speaker 2: You know what I saw? I saw?
Speaker 3: I saw.
Speaker 5: I saw a Sports Illustrated ad about the Tony Mandrids Draft.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Right?
Speaker 3: Aikman in that draft and Aikman.
Speaker 5: Dion and Barry Sanders Junior, sound oh Man and Tony
Speaker 5: mandridch you talk about bus central, so I know it's
Speaker 5: a reach. I know teams obviously are desperate enough. And
Speaker 5: that's why I look at the top ten of this
Speaker 5: draft because I know so many teams are desperate for
Speaker 5: a quarterback. It's it's amazing, amazing to me, Like, kid
Speaker 5: that the quarterback from Ohio State, the way that people say, oh,
Speaker 5: Houston may not take him, you may fall all the
Speaker 5: way out of time. I'm like, dude, there are teams
Speaker 5: that are talking about considering seriously getting the quarterback from Kentucky.
Speaker 3: So we're being lied to consistently right now.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: Look if you're not absolutely, if you're not lying, if
Speaker 5: you're a team and you're not lying to me, you're
Speaker 5: doing it all wrong. But you've seen, but you've seen
Speaker 5: teams reach at those top teens. So I'm actually agreeing
Speaker 5: with what you're saying. That's saying that Philly could do that.
Speaker 5: But we know that they don't need a quarterback.
Speaker 3: I mean, is this draft thing is crazy? Yes, they
Speaker 3: don't need a quarterback because they just pay jail. It
Speaker 3: hurts better. Mean, now, this is the same league that
Speaker 3: you know, not only did they draft mental Trubisky ahead
Speaker 3: of Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. We saw a team
Speaker 3: trade to do it.
Speaker 2: It's Chicago.
Speaker 3: Hey, you're right, but foolish will occur in Cleveland. The
Speaker 3: same team that had two first round had the first
Speaker 3: and the tenth pick, took Miles Garrett smart pick and
Speaker 3: then traded away to ten. To you who takes the
Speaker 3: Sean Watson? And then what do they do years later?
Speaker 3: Here dashine two D and thirty one guarantee we're going
Speaker 3: mistakes will be made. If you're a Cowboy fan, I
Speaker 3: think you should feel really good because they've done a
Speaker 3: really nice job of drafting guys in the first round.
Speaker 3: Let's take a break here we started to lay here
Speaker 3: right here, the players, Let's take a break. I won't
Speaker 3: give a name. Let's not give a name. Let's just
Speaker 3: give a position. Okay, Thursday night, what position do you want?
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Speaker 3: Heckmharrison thank you very much. HECKM. Harrison is here. Danny
Speaker 3: Crazey here having new he scrugs. Brother Barry Church is
Speaker 3: you know, chilling viva.
Speaker 2: I guess he is.
Speaker 3: He gonna watch the draft. Mexico too, have Mexican Draft
Speaker 3: on out there.
Speaker 5: You know, probably see all week. Did he take his clubs?
Speaker 5: Though he did?
Speaker 3: I saw him and the wife. They was on the ground.
Speaker 2: They were both swinging the clubs.
Speaker 3: That dedicated t ships puts his club.
Speaker 2: What's gonna take them clubes?
Speaker 3: What's that cost? Do you think we're talking about?
Speaker 2: Bear Church?
Speaker 3: I'm just asking. You know, you think one day I
Speaker 3: might Maybe one day I'll buy some clubs and just
Speaker 3: see you. Because my buddy roland Mark does the same
Speaker 3: thing where he goes. I ship my clubs out there
Speaker 3: like hard, right, you.
Speaker 2: Know me let me. I don't know if he should
Speaker 2: his own clubs out there.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you already said.
Speaker 3: He pull up, He pull up to the tarmac.
Speaker 2: Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 3: He don't Walmart the only targ out.
Speaker 2: Okay, point.
Speaker 3: Take Cowboys at twenty six right now, this is this
Speaker 3: is where they're expected to draft. Last time they drafted
Speaker 3: a twenty six, it took Anthony Spencer, linebacker out of
Speaker 3: Purdue and ended up making a Pro Bowl in his career.
Speaker 3: So position not necessarily a name I'm really need it,
Speaker 3: but position at twenty six, hec Maharson want to see
Speaker 3: the Cowboys take Thursday night. I'm torn.
Speaker 5: My man started with offensive line, and that's what's had
Speaker 5: me thinking about offensive line more and more. When I
Speaker 5: think about our defense and how stacked they are, I
Speaker 5: start calling out all the names and I go, damn,
Speaker 5: do we really need any more defensive lineman according to
Speaker 5: what we have over there? I mean because we should
Speaker 5: be looking at this defensive line and saying, man, that's
Speaker 5: a that's a very crowded room. Linebacker is the position
Speaker 5: that I think I'm more interested in because of guys
Speaker 5: not working out. But it's all for me. Seriously, guys,
Speaker 5: it's it's on the other side of the boss offense. Uh,
Speaker 5: Danny mcray, you've you've won this argument with me. I
Speaker 5: believe that offensive line is the play where they need
Speaker 5: to go. And if you can't get him in the first,
Speaker 5: try and get him in the second. But definitely offensive line.
Speaker 5: Off the top of your head, Nowid, can you tell
Speaker 5: me how we built that that fears, that fear offensive
Speaker 5: line back from tyrannt It was started with Tyron's right,
Speaker 5: and then we ended up getting Travis Frederick Zach Martin.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Yes, you gotta start by drafting these guys, right, That's
Speaker 5: how we got there. So we got Tyler Smith last year.
Speaker 5: First piece. I don't want him to be one of
Speaker 5: the best swing tackles or whatever, versatile being able to
Speaker 5: play guard and tackle. I want him to be able
Speaker 5: to play whatever position he plays the best, right, and
Speaker 5: then draft another guy opposite of that. Right, So now
Speaker 5: you got him, you got Terren Steele. Where are you
Speaker 5: weak at right now? Interior offensive line, figure out a
Speaker 5: way to get that sold up. That way we can
Speaker 5: play to our defense. Right, we do need an interior
Speaker 5: defensive lineman. But that's not the reason why we lost
Speaker 5: to San Francisco. We lost to San Francisco because Dak
Speaker 5: was under pressure forcing them to make some bad decisions,
Speaker 5: and we were not able to run the ball after
Speaker 5: Tony Pouler got out of the game. This all leans
Speaker 5: onto me play calling and your confidence and your offensive line.
Speaker 5: So I'm always gonna keep going back to twenty fourteen
Speaker 5: to twenty sixteen recipe for success across the league?
Speaker 2: Can you run the ball? What does your offensive line
Speaker 2: look like?
Speaker 5: And then you can say, all right, we have a
Speaker 5: recipe for being successful. Do you remember the Super Bowl
Speaker 5: with Kansas City and Tampa Bay yep out of the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah you messer. Well chalk that up as a just
Speaker 5: easy win for Tampa Bay. The offensive line is the
Speaker 5: most important thing on your squad, especially when you already
Speaker 5: have a defense that's set up like ours.
Speaker 3: That also happened to Carolina Cam Newton same thing in
Speaker 3: that Super Bowl that they didn't have any tackles that
Speaker 3: game and definitely that that hurts you. I am still
Speaker 3: going to look to the defensive line and be it
Speaker 3: defensive tackle or even defensive end. At some point in time,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys need to plan for Dumarcus Lawrence from the
Speaker 3: standpoint of you may need to start limiting his reps
Speaker 3: since he is getting older. He had an outstanding year
Speaker 3: last year, but at some point in time he's getting older.
Speaker 3: Where else do you have and if you're going to
Speaker 3: be putting Michael Parson in there, who else is there
Speaker 3: right now? When you talk about defensive ends.
Speaker 5: Sam Williams, darn Armstrong, Chauncey Ghost. I won an elite
Speaker 5: guy though, Okay, I mean this.
Speaker 3: Is a good play. I want to blue I want
Speaker 3: a blue Chit to me, I'm looking at my first rounder.
Speaker 3: I want a blue chip. And that we see what
Speaker 3: blue chip is when you bring in to Michael Parsons,
Speaker 3: if you bring in if you're able to bring in
Speaker 3: the level of what you did with the Zach Martin
Speaker 3: and when you took a time servent. Obviously those guys
Speaker 3: were drafted in the first round high Tywn's the top
Speaker 3: ten guy. And then we saw it was sixteen. I
Speaker 3: want to say, for Mark but a blue chip guy,
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons into a blue chip guy. But to me,
Speaker 3: I still think about this defensive line here. I want
Speaker 3: to give Dan Quinn as many tools as possible. And yes,
Speaker 3: maybe Sam Williams does come around here. Driss he had
Speaker 3: a heck to be definitely better than Randy Gregory. But
Speaker 3: I'm still just man. I'm like the forty nine ers, Man,
Speaker 3: throw some more bodies there, throw them at there until
Speaker 3: I can just wear you down. Because I just look
Speaker 3: at the forty nine Ers and granted quarterback play did
Speaker 3: them in man, I love watching their defensive line. And
Speaker 3: when Jimmy Johnson was winning here, when the Cowboys one
Speaker 3: of the time Landry, they just had a lot of
Speaker 3: defensive line I got.
Speaker 5: I want to push on the office on line one
Speaker 5: more time. Okay, just one more time, Just one more time?
Speaker 5: As we go? Is Terror still entering the last year
Speaker 5: of his contract? What about Tyrren Smith? What do we
Speaker 5: do with him after this year?
Speaker 3: If you end up with Steve Avola of TCU, I
Speaker 3: would not have an issue with it at all because
Speaker 3: of the position flex to play center and guard. I
Speaker 3: don't have I'm gonna argue with you there.
Speaker 2: I just for me.
Speaker 3: And this is also I read Jimmy Johnson's book Swagger,
Speaker 3: and Jimmy laid out a lot of the way he
Speaker 3: felt about drafting. Jimmy's like, you can get guys, especially
Speaker 3: inter your guys. You can get him in the later
Speaker 3: rounds because they're not thought of as those sexy guys
Speaker 3: that you want in the first. So yes, you can
Speaker 3: get some of the better players. I mean, you look
Speaker 3: at Jason Kelsey. Jason Kelsey was not a first or
Speaker 3: second round Nate Newton, undrafted free agent Eric Williams, who
Speaker 3: had a Hall of Fame career going until he got
Speaker 3: hurt and possibly, in my opinion, still has the resume
Speaker 3: to being on third round pick, Larry Allen's second round pick.
Speaker 3: So some of these guys you can get them. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it all. Do not address it. I man
Speaker 3: one percent behind you. You must address it. I just
Speaker 3: saw talking about it at twenty six and I just
Speaker 3: feel like I'll gamble that I can get some offensive
Speaker 3: linemen in round two and three, but trying to get
Speaker 3: an impact player on my D line, I feel like
Speaker 3: you got.
Speaker 2: To get that for doing the less year very late.
Speaker 5: The sense of the season, the sense of urgency comes
Speaker 5: when you look at the depth chart and you see
Speaker 5: chu Madoga at left guard for the Cowboys. I mean,
Speaker 5: we know that that's going to change if with still
Speaker 5: being healthy, he's going to go back to right. They're
Speaker 5: gonna move Tyron back over the left tackle, Tyler back
Speaker 5: down to left guard. But still the depth there, you
Speaker 5: have to worry about that. Last year we played with
Speaker 5: a forty year old offensive lineman. I don't think anybody
Speaker 5: wants to revisit that again. So that's where that's to me.
Speaker 5: That's when I looked at the depth there, that it
Speaker 5: automatically went to, all right, we've got to get an
Speaker 5: offensive lineman so that we don't play around with this
Speaker 5: position just in case, because I don't know, Fan Night
Speaker 5: last year when I got towards hamstrang off the bone,
Speaker 5: you know that just led to you know, they just
Speaker 5: led to so much trouble throughout the season, not having
Speaker 5: a healthy Tyron Smith and.
Speaker 2: You got a new old line coach. So give give
Speaker 2: them some guys.
Speaker 3: So this is thank you for now I have my question.
Speaker 3: I've got my question for Will McLay, Mike McCarthy, give
Speaker 3: me a status update and a comfortability level of Josh
Speaker 3: Ball and Matt Will. Let's go. He used the fourth
Speaker 3: rounder on Ball and use a draft pick on Will.
Speaker 3: Let's go. Tell me what what about these guys and
Speaker 3: we'll let's go. Last year was hurt. They had liked
Speaker 3: what they saw early in camp, but could keep the
Speaker 3: shoulder straight, so he ended up basically having a red
Speaker 3: shirt ear last year, Josh Ball got hurt basically his
Speaker 3: first year. Last year, with his first year, they put
Speaker 3: him in a game and he was tragic, almost lost
Speaker 3: the game. So tell me what are you seeing out
Speaker 3: of those guys? Because we saw what happened with Terrence Steel.
Speaker 3: They did develop him. So give me a sense of
Speaker 3: where those two guys are because they put draft capital
Speaker 3: in him and I so so that that could be
Speaker 3: an underlying theme, but where they may have some comfortability
Speaker 3: in these two tackles that maybe we're panicking and there's
Speaker 3: they could say we see something behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: That you guys don you saw Josh Ball, you already
Speaker 2: answered that question.
Speaker 3: Don't do that. I appreciate that. Don't do that. Come on, now,
Speaker 3: I get it. Hey, I'm on a positive hack. Tread
Speaker 3: and I feel you it could happen, but not now,
Speaker 3: Kelly for the back.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm gonna cross over into positivity with you. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna say this, okay because my because my guy, my
Speaker 5: high school teammate, is now the assistant offensive line coach. Right,
Speaker 5: so maybe they just needed a change of voice here, right,
Speaker 5: They got a new offensive line coach, new assistant offensive
Speaker 5: line coach, they are getting maybe they believe in ball
Speaker 5: and we'll let's go. And they said, hey man, we
Speaker 5: just needed some guys who can really get the most
Speaker 5: out of them, kind of like when you brought in
Speaker 5: Dan Quinn. He said, we have talent on the defense,
Speaker 5: on the defense, We just need to get a guy
Speaker 5: who can come in here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So so so maybe maybe that's that's what I don't know.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, I go, I go, I go
Speaker 3: back into when Parcells was here. Parcells had a great
Speaker 3: line and Chris Bean you remember Parcels said, you know,
Speaker 3: by year three, we gotta see something. You got to
Speaker 3: see something. So you know Ball is gonna be entering
Speaker 3: year three. Well that's has been here year two. Jaylen
Speaker 3: Tober is getting ready to enter year two. You know,
Speaker 3: by year three, we gotta see something and basically part's like,
Speaker 3: we ain't seeing something by year three, then you about
Speaker 3: to get up out of here. And he said he
Speaker 3: learned that from Tom Landry. So guess what we saw
Speaker 3: from Josh Paul And it was brother, it was not good,
Speaker 3: but you know, we saw some stuff from from terror
Speaker 3: Steel in his first every time he ain't look good,
Speaker 3: but they spoke about how he remade himself. And so
Speaker 3: that's what I'm like, That's why I'm going to ask
Speaker 3: a question because I like to know. And the one
Speaker 3: thing I did learn from Jason Garrett and when he
Speaker 3: interviewed is what Jason didn't say told me a lot
Speaker 3: about guys. So if I asked about well, let's go
Speaker 3: and ball and I'm not hearing anything, Hey, lost way
Speaker 3: you know doing that, then I'm gonna say, all right.
Speaker 5: So I'm more excited about Matt FOURNIOC and only because
Speaker 5: it's the great unknown. I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 5: Haven't gott an opportunity to see him getting any significant
Speaker 5: work because of the I think he had the shoulder
Speaker 5: of supplication throughout the season, so he had to go
Speaker 5: through that surgery. But again, left guard is still a
Speaker 5: worrisome position. We understand that we have some position flex
Speaker 5: with Josh Ball at tackle, I don't want to see
Speaker 5: him in the game basically unless when you ask ask
Speaker 5: that question, they can give you definitively and say, now,
Speaker 5: this guy has been working his tail off all off season.
Speaker 5: He's gotten bigger, he's gotten better. I think you're gonna
Speaker 5: see a new guy, and then it's gonna you have
Speaker 5: to prove it to me to have me believe that,
Speaker 5: because based off of what I've seen so far, he's
Speaker 5: just not giving me any vibes that says that this
Speaker 5: is a player that we can get behind and believe
Speaker 5: in his ability.
Speaker 3: Left guard doesn't bother me as much right now as
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about right.
Speaker 2: Tackle because of the knee injury to Terrence Still.
Speaker 5: Tell you just said the man was at fan Day.
Speaker 5: So you holding I'm just no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: You're really you literally are going to be holding your
Speaker 5: breath every snap, every training camp snap.
Speaker 2: Every preseason snap, and every snap into the season.
Speaker 5: You're gonna be sitting there like like how many eyes
Speaker 5: are you gonna be?
Speaker 2: Like, man, who's next?
Speaker 5: The whole the whole entire time, Like how as a
Speaker 5: coach as somebody who's trying to game player and get
Speaker 5: guys ready.
Speaker 3: I feel as though they're going to have someone they
Speaker 3: can play. If you're talking back up, okay, yeah, you
Speaker 3: gotta put Tyler Smith at left tackle. I just feel
Speaker 3: like they'll have somebody they're ready to go. And when
Speaker 3: you got beatis your center coming off a Pro Bowl season?
Speaker 3: You got Smith out there, who had a really good rookieyear.
Speaker 3: Actually a second, I think whoever they put there will
Speaker 3: be able to be Okay.
Speaker 2: My eyes right tackle.
Speaker 3: For me, if still not ready to go, I'm working
Speaker 3: who's there? Who's there? Because they've said they're not putting Smith,
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith on on on the right side, they go
Speaker 3: leads a left side player. So for me, just when
Speaker 3: I think of okay, if there has to be a
Speaker 3: backup going, I'm more concerned about the right tackle. Back up.
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't say tying back to right, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think he plays that, will it?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna go out on the limb here and
Speaker 5: say this, I think Tyron will be healthy this season.
Speaker 5: What for the majority of the season. I think he'll
Speaker 5: be healthy. He'll be playing left tackle right tackle. I'm
Speaker 5: actually not that worried about it. I think the Stills
Speaker 5: gonna come back from this acl and he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 5: Of course, backup is you have an issue there, But
Speaker 5: then you start talking about Josh Ball and and these
Speaker 5: other let's go.
Speaker 3: So these are I mean, these are these are great,
Speaker 3: These are great questions. And obviously it's work they've got
Speaker 3: to go do here. But I look, I'm looking forward
Speaker 3: to get done on Thursday or Friday. I'm looking for
Speaker 3: that to get taken care of, and I'm looking for
Speaker 3: that to be taking care of a lot more in
Speaker 3: these these tight end projections I keep seeing for the
Speaker 3: Cowboys here. So this, this, this is the beauty. This
Speaker 3: is the beauty of what we have going on here.
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Speaker 3: Cowboys are twenty six before we go. Do you think
Speaker 3: they trade out?
Speaker 2: I hope so.
Speaker 3: I don't stay at twenty six. I think this thing,
Speaker 3: take a play, take a stay right there. When you
Speaker 3: go back, you're passing on good.
Speaker 5: Players if you unless Vijon Robinson miraculously falls to you
Speaker 5: at twenty six something like that. You'd have to have
Speaker 5: a guy that there's no questions about his ability. You
Speaker 5: don't you know that if we get this guy, he's
Speaker 5: gonna produce for us everybody else I think there's there's
Speaker 5: a lot of questions. That's the case, though, you know, no, no, no, absolutely.
Speaker 5: I said, hey, either you find adolph A toll Ring or.
Speaker 2: You find a diet.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to find a diamond, Okay. And I think
Speaker 5: that b John Robinson. When I look at this draft,
Speaker 5: I think, guys, I just believe that he's the only
Speaker 5: sure thing for me as a draft pick. I think
Speaker 5: there are more questions around other guys. When I look
Speaker 5: at the Alabama Alabama linebacker, I think He's a guy
Speaker 5: that's been making tackles without at a lot of people
Speaker 5: touching on him. He's running free to the ball. How
Speaker 5: is that going to impact them when he gets to
Speaker 5: the league. Those quarterbacks are just a lot of questions
Speaker 5: around height and everything else. I just I just feel
Speaker 5: confident about b. Jhon Robbins, the running back out of Alabama, Gibbs.
Speaker 2: Gibbs.
Speaker 5: I like Gibbs five nine, two ten. I like him, Okay,
Speaker 5: I like it. As a player, you you slip up
Speaker 5: and get him if he's If B John Robinson falls
Speaker 5: to twenty six, then you assume that the second round
Speaker 5: is gonna be Gibbs.
Speaker 3: We just go with these last couple first round picks.
Speaker 3: Year before you got twenty twenty two. Last year Tyler
Speaker 3: Smith plus We're good, okay twenty twenty one, Michael Parsons plus,
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year twenty twenty, Ceedee Lamb plus Pro
Speaker 3: Bowler twenty nineteen. No pick because they traded it to
Speaker 3: Oakland from Marik Cooper twenty eighteen. Layton vanderash plus made
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl twenty seventeen, Taco Charlton twenty sixteen, Ezekiel
Speaker 3: Elliott plus made several Pro Bowls twenty fifteen Byron Jones
Speaker 3: plus made several Pro Bowls late made one Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: Zach Martin twenty fourteen. Do you need a plus Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame? You know? You know if Travis Frederick twenty
Speaker 3: thirteen Pro Bowl Play twenty twelve, Mo Clayborn, go Tigers,
Speaker 3: Chris with Chris Quick. Yeah, I'm good man, the twenty
Speaker 3: eleven Tyron Smith, twenty ten Des Bryant. They have been
Speaker 3: crushing it for a decade.
Speaker 5: Did you hear that by the Tyros Smith, Travis Frederick,
Speaker 5: Zach Martin, Yeah, Dave Bryant, Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 2: CD laugh Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3: You're really talking one miss here?
Speaker 2: What you got d Law in the second round?
Speaker 5: But that's what that was, Zach Martin in d Law
Speaker 5: and the one that we didn't have a first round
Speaker 5: draft pick.
Speaker 2: I think the second pick was Tristan Tristan Hill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Tony Parler went for Tony Parler went forced,
Speaker 3: so he got Pro Bowl there. So so I say
Speaker 3: that that, I'll say it twenty six and trust Will
Speaker 3: McClay to go find me again.
Speaker 5: No I do, man, It's not about not trusting Will
Speaker 5: McClay I'm just looking at the talent that's in the draft.
Speaker 5: I don't see any of those players that you just
Speaker 5: mentioned in this said draft. I mean, if we could
Speaker 5: do a comparison analysis between the guys that you just
Speaker 5: mentioned and the guys that are in this draft, knew it,
Speaker 5: That's all I'm I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I didn't see. I didn't know who Tyler Smith was.
Speaker 3: He's from here.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: But they knew. And that's what I'm counting on. It's
Speaker 3: them knowing. All right, let's wrap up. We gotta get
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