1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,520
Speaker 1: It's not going to be the writer's fault, and it

2
00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,840
Speaker 1: never has been the writer's fault that Pete wasn't in.

3
00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,040
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think Pete would have a better chance

4
00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:13,200
Speaker 1: with the writers than with the Veterans Committee. I'm trying.

5
00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,239
Speaker 2: Rose Grants joining us right now covers the reds for

6
00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,640
Speaker 2: the athletic Sea trend. Is it true that it's Pete

7
00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,720
Speaker 2: Rose Knight at the ballpark this evening?

8
00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,400
Speaker 1: Yes, it is May fourteenth, the fourteenth, of course, it

9
00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,840
Speaker 1: was the loan fourteenth home game or home game on

10
00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,440
Speaker 1: the fourteenth of the month anywhere so in the red schedule.

11
00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,120
Speaker 1: So they announced this and I think it was October

12
00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,080
Speaker 1: shortly after Pete died, so it's been it's been on

13
00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,320
Speaker 1: the calendar for quite a while.

14
00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,920
Speaker 3: Did they make a bet on it? I'm sorry too,

15
00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:52,360
Speaker 3: sure somebody did. That's not illegal anymore serious for me? Well,

16
00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,480
Speaker 3: it's not illegal, but it is. I will get fired

17
00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,120
Speaker 3: if I do it. So you know, you get a

18
00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,680
Speaker 3: slap on the hand ower when you pass away, then

19
00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:59,800
Speaker 3: you can get your frick award.

20
00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:00,400
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

21
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,200
Speaker 1: It's no longer the frick Award. We took the name away. Yeah,

22
00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,800
Speaker 1: it's the uh I forget what it's called, but I

23
00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,480
Speaker 1: named it when I was president that year. So yeah,

24
00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:20,080
Speaker 1: that's a whole different story. So no, it is certainly

25
00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:26,039
Speaker 1: not that would not be it not for excellence for

26
00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,600
Speaker 1: other things maybe, who knows.

27
00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,920
Speaker 2: So what I want to get to the juice. Okay,

28
00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,399
Speaker 2: let's start right at the top. You see the announcement

29
00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,559
Speaker 2: and the flip flop from Commissioner Manfred who now says

30
00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,080
Speaker 2: that once you die, you're off of the permanently ineligible list,

31
00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,840
Speaker 2: And you think what.

32
00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,880
Speaker 1: I think, Oh, that's a good lawyer loophole that the

33
00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:53,040
Speaker 1: uh you know it is. It's not. He's not exonerated anyone, right,

34
00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,000
Speaker 1: nobody has been uh exonerated or anything what they have.

35
00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,040
Speaker 1: He's clarified the language. This is what lawyers do. You

36
00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,160
Speaker 1: clarify the language. It's like permanently and eligible. Well, what

37
00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,520
Speaker 1: does permanent mean? You know, colloquially it's always been called

38
00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,480
Speaker 1: a lifetime ban. Well, then who's lifetime? Mine?

39
00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:11,840
Speaker 3: His?

40
00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,240
Speaker 1: The commissioners who's? And so that is a clarification. And

41
00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,480
Speaker 1: to me it just seems like Major League Baseball saying, hey,

42
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,280
Speaker 1: we're sick of you complaining to us about this and

43
00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,800
Speaker 1: blaming us. Go blame the Hall of Fame. It's on

44
00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,280
Speaker 1: their table now because quite honestly, thirty five years ago,

45
00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:32,880
Speaker 1: that's what the Hall of Fame did. The Hall of

46
00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,720
Speaker 1: Fame kicked the can down the curb by saying, oh wait,

47
00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,359
Speaker 1: we don't want Pete on the writer's ballot. We will

48
00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,600
Speaker 1: make a new role rule in nineteen ninety that if

49
00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,280
Speaker 1: you are on the permanently ineligible list, you're not eligible

50
00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:48,520
Speaker 1: to be in the Hall of Fame. So that was

51
00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,720
Speaker 1: their way around. So for thirty five years people have

52
00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,360
Speaker 1: been blaming Major League Baseball. I guess Rob Manford got

53
00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,320
Speaker 1: sick of that, and he's gonna say, hey, blame the

54
00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,520
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and the Hall of Fame is gonna say, hey,

55
00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,560
Speaker 1: we're going to give him a shot in a couple

56
00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,000
Speaker 1: of years because we're not going to make anything special

57
00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,839
Speaker 1: for this guy. We're just gonna let it go through

58
00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,320
Speaker 1: this and then they will have their process, which is

59
00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,600
Speaker 1: the Veterans Committee, and they are in charge of who

60
00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,040
Speaker 1: is on that committee. Right, so you know, if you can,

61
00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,840
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to figure out how sixteen people

62
00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,959
Speaker 1: are going to vote than four hundred because.

63
00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,079
Speaker 3: The Reds really haven't been to that many playoffs recently.

64
00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,800
Speaker 3: This is probably the biggest Reds topic in general. What

65
00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,520
Speaker 3: are the boots on the ground. What are fans in

66
00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,880
Speaker 3: Cincinnati feeling about this? Not just based on this decision,

67
00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,760
Speaker 3: I mean it just came down yesterday, but in general,

68
00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,280
Speaker 3: do Reds fans say ninety percent of them say we're

69
00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,280
Speaker 3: letting them in? Or are they more like the Ft

70
00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,320
Speaker 3: fans where fifty percent say we should let them in?

71
00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,400
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's never been a question inside

72
00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,600
Speaker 1: the two seventy five loop that that if you if

73
00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,520
Speaker 1: you did a like a phone poll of anyone with

74
00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,400
Speaker 1: a five to one three area code, you're gonna get

75
00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,560
Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent saying this. You do have

76
00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,320
Speaker 1: others who have excellent points, But yeah, I think there's

77
00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,040
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion here. And I don't believe that it's

78
00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,400
Speaker 1: accurate that, oh, this just clears the way for him

79
00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,680
Speaker 1: to go to the Hall of Fame. I just think

80
00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,400
Speaker 1: it's a different way to to to like pick the

81
00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,600
Speaker 1: can down the curb and blame someone else and shift blame.

82
00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,120
Speaker 1: But maybe I've big to cneical, like why would baseball

83
00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,960
Speaker 1: give us any reason to be cinical? Never?

84
00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,880
Speaker 3: They would never, especially the Commissioner's office.

85
00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,000
Speaker 4: It would never do anything like that to make things

86
00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,920
Speaker 4: weird or than they already are. But hey, whatever, he's

87
00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,479
Speaker 4: back in some capacity. Let's just say that he's back

88
00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,960
Speaker 4: and so. And by the way, someone a buddy of mine,

89
00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,920
Speaker 4: we just saw Ray FOSSi get run over by him

90
00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,719
Speaker 4: and a buddy of mine who's from Cincinnati. When he

91
00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,479
Speaker 4: texted me, Pete Roses back in and I was like,

92
00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,560
Speaker 4: whoop be He's like, you're lucky, Ray Fat.

93
00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,479
Speaker 3: You weren't to catch in the All Star Game. And

94
00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,000
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, am I lucky? Or is Pete lucky?

95
00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,280
Speaker 3: Because I was a little bigger than Roy Fossey. But

96
00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,719
Speaker 3: we would have fun with it anyway. Let's get Let's

97
00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,640
Speaker 3: talk about something else a little more positive.

98
00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,360
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Red Steams. I've been playing a

99
00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,040
Speaker 1: little bit a little better.

100
00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,720
Speaker 3: Well, they have been played a little bit better, but

101
00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:17,440
Speaker 3: the White.

102
00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,920
Speaker 4: Sox would take him out behind the Look, the White

103
00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,120
Speaker 4: Sox did take him out behind the woodshed last night,

104
00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,719
Speaker 4: so you know, the White Socks are hot, so can't

105
00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,359
Speaker 4: blame him for that.

106
00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,200
Speaker 3: But where's the offense, John, That's what I want to know.

107
00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,280
Speaker 1: The pitching has been great, but we're the hexs. The offense, well,

108
00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,960
Speaker 1: they've been shut out seven times, only the Pirlots more

109
00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,360
Speaker 1: or I think the Pirates have as many the same

110
00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,400
Speaker 1: day league. Yeah, it's it's just been, you know, a

111
00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,880
Speaker 1: lot of it has been kind of these things. Matt

112
00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,520
Speaker 1: McLean has not kind of gotten back to where I

113
00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,360
Speaker 1: think he will be eventually, but he's not there right now.

114
00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,160
Speaker 1: You know. Spencer Steer coming off that shoulder injury, I

115
00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,359
Speaker 1: think he's been much better since uh he's gotten in

116
00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,839
Speaker 1: the field. He dhing just did not suit him, and

117
00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,320
Speaker 1: I think it's it's he's in a much better place now.

118
00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then Ellie de la Cruz has been

119
00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,000
Speaker 1: probably their best hitter. When Austin Hayes is on the field,

120
00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,800
Speaker 1: he's been very good. But it's just it's just not

121
00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,680
Speaker 1: been consistent. And that's that happens in baseball a lot.

122
00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,960
Speaker 1: You know, there'll be days where they explode. We've seen

123
00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,880
Speaker 1: a couple of those, you know, but even the day

124
00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,599
Speaker 1: that they score ten runs in the first, that's a

125
00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,000
Speaker 1: that's a closer game a little bit later when they

126
00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,880
Speaker 1: give up six. So it is it is a concern,

127
00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,880
Speaker 1: and that was kind of the question coming into this

128
00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,480
Speaker 1: season though, was like, Okay, where's the offense going to

129
00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,200
Speaker 1: be and how much can you count on it? And

130
00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,240
Speaker 1: and you haven't been able to count on it yet.

131
00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,560
Speaker 2: Hey f t fam Hello Fresh as America's number one

132
00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,479
Speaker 2: meal kit cam because we're busy and we would like

133
00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,160
Speaker 2: all of the ingredients to cook up something nice and

134
00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,960
Speaker 2: make us look like elite chefs at home.

135
00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:52,840
Speaker 1: You know what I do.

136
00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,680
Speaker 5: I've got kids in basketball, I've got soccer, I've got

137
00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,640
Speaker 5: best I've got baseball, And when they get home, there's

138
00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,279
Speaker 5: a fresh meal and they think, oh, Dad, he's so great.

139
00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,440
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not me. It's Hello Fresh.

140
00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,360
Speaker 5: It's nutritious, it's packed full of good nutrients. The kids

141
00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,320
Speaker 5: have good energy, and they look at me like I'm

142
00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,480
Speaker 5: the greatest dad in the world. So make sure you

143
00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,760
Speaker 5: go grab that Hello Fresh, because you know what is

144
00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,240
Speaker 5: doing my family all the.

145
00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,640
Speaker 2: Good cookup dishes like chicken djon and pecan crusted trout,

146
00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,840
Speaker 2: over one hundred seasonal snack sides and treats as well.

147
00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,200
Speaker 2: Feel great with meals that fit your spring schedule and

148
00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,760
Speaker 2: make the season even more delicious. Go to HelloFresh dot

149
00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,600
Speaker 2: com slash ft ten FM now to get ten free

150
00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,320
Speaker 2: meals with a free item for life one per box

151
00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,360
Speaker 2: with active subscription free meals apply this discount on first

152
00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,080
Speaker 2: box new subscribers only. Varies by plan.

153
00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,800
Speaker 1: Okay, well, what about the pitching?

154
00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,360
Speaker 3: Is this going to be a is a great American

155
00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,360
Speaker 3: small park now going to be a pitchers haven because

156
00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,960
Speaker 3: of what Derek Johnson and okay, okay, I'll stop there.

157
00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know, DJ, and DJ is

158
00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,200
Speaker 1: gonna get the most out of anybody. I mean, DJ

159
00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,360
Speaker 1: is as good as there is in the game. But

160
00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't exactly walk on water. There's a

161
00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,000
Speaker 1: lot of water outside right now. It's been raining NonStop

162
00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,040
Speaker 1: and we've had a lot of rain delays this year,

163
00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,240
Speaker 1: even more than usual. But you know, I think it's

164
00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,400
Speaker 1: been just good pitchers. You look at Hunter Green as

165
00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,000
Speaker 1: just before he got hurt, like it seems like he's

166
00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:25,800
Speaker 1: taken that next step from all star to say young ish,

167
00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,480
Speaker 1: And again it's easy to forget that Hunter Green is

168
00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,240
Speaker 1: still twenty five years old and because of the way

169
00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,880
Speaker 1: his kind of unique situation coming up, the majority of

170
00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,160
Speaker 1: his pitches in his life, competitive pitches in his life

171
00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,000
Speaker 1: have been in the big leagues, and that's not an

172
00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,920
Speaker 1: easy thing to do. And he's kind of finally getting

173
00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,319
Speaker 1: to that point where he has that experience, that confidence

174
00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,480
Speaker 1: and all that that is coming together and hopefully this

175
00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,480
Speaker 1: injury that currently has him on the aisle isn't a

176
00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,240
Speaker 1: long one because he's a joy to watch pitch. He's

177
00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,439
Speaker 1: been much more you know, focused, and it's it's been

178
00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,760
Speaker 1: throwing strikes and unafraid and he's learned that, oh wait,

179
00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,120
Speaker 1: I throw one hundred miles an hour, that's probably good

180
00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,240
Speaker 1: if it's in the zone. Yeah, so what good luck?

181
00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's been a really good change for him.

182
00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are catchers, you know, just like

183
00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,360
Speaker 1: throw it over the plate. See what happens when of

184
00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,599
Speaker 1: the stuff's that good? So there is that stuff, you know.

185
00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,040
Speaker 1: Nicolodolo is the consistency is a thing, but man, his

186
00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,240
Speaker 1: stuff is great. You know. Brady Singer has been a

187
00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,200
Speaker 1: good addition, exactly what they wanted. A guy who that

188
00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,319
Speaker 1: you can count on going every five days. Nick Martinez

189
00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,000
Speaker 1: is a pro. Andrew Abbott is one of those guys

190
00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,120
Speaker 1: that is a throwback. I mean you look at him

191
00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,360
Speaker 1: and you could see him hanging out on the rooftop

192
00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,600
Speaker 1: with Tom Browning, with a heater. I mean, both those guys,

193
00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,880
Speaker 1: you could definitely see it. He's kind of the second

194
00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,920
Speaker 1: coming of Browning in a lot of ways. So they

195
00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,840
Speaker 1: have been pitching Brett Louder on the way and Chase

196
00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,040
Speaker 1: Burns on the way. Chase Byrne, Wow, he's pretty good.

197
00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, they've got some pitching and it's just finding

198
00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,280
Speaker 1: the offense, which is kind of weird. I can't imagine

199
00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,199
Speaker 1: either one of you had that ever on any of

200
00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,840
Speaker 1: your scouting reports coming into Great America Ballpark.

201
00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,480
Speaker 4: No, it was always a couple homers when we're in

202
00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,040
Speaker 4: the small park. But Gavin Lucks, Gavin lux has been

203
00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,240
Speaker 4: kind of a positive for the for the Reds. Was

204
00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,600
Speaker 4: it just a change of scenery for him that he

205
00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,640
Speaker 4: needed to get out from that Dodger shadow and he

206
00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,320
Speaker 4: kind of can become his own person in the year

207
00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,080
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati.

208
00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,960
Speaker 1: I think it's as much the health as anything. It's like,

209
00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,360
Speaker 1: once he kind of got through that first half last year,

210
00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,000
Speaker 1: you look at the second half and that's when he's

211
00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,760
Speaker 1: got his legs under him, and you have to have

212
00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,440
Speaker 1: your legs under you. And once he got that last year,

213
00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,680
Speaker 1: he was he was really good. And you know, Gavin

214
00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,719
Speaker 1: Lucks is gonna put the bat on the ball. I

215
00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,760
Speaker 1: just kind of believe that if he's healthy and he's

216
00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,680
Speaker 1: on the field, he's gonna put the bat on the ball,

217
00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,679
Speaker 1: and good things are going to happen. So yeah, it's

218
00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,760
Speaker 1: a it was a really good addition. You know. Defensively

219
00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,559
Speaker 1: is the question. And they've had some things where they've

220
00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,560
Speaker 1: had to move some people around and they don't exactly

221
00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,400
Speaker 1: have the outfield that you you would want, but that

222
00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,360
Speaker 1: you could certainly upgrade some of the outfielders. But you know,

223
00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,160
Speaker 1: it's it's there are some pieces there. It's a long season.

224
00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,920
Speaker 1: It's I you know, you see some hot some of

225
00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,880
Speaker 1: the teams in this division go hot and cold. I

226
00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,320
Speaker 1: don't see anybody running away with this division.

227
00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,200
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna swing back to the topic of

228
00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,000
Speaker 2: the day. I still had a couple more for you.

229
00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,679
Speaker 1: See, Trent. So no, I'm want to go back to

230
00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:33,319
Speaker 1: beat Rose.

231
00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,679
Speaker 2: Yes, I want because you're in Cincinnati, right, we saw you.

232
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,120
Speaker 2: I want to go at the start of the season.

233
00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,120
Speaker 2: I want the pulse in Cincinnati after this announcement is made,

234
00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,199
Speaker 2: because for Reds fans and for really almost any sports fan,

235
00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,920
Speaker 2: you're going to have bias towards your team, towards your

236
00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,400
Speaker 2: favorite players. So what is the pulse of the city

237
00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,600
Speaker 2: after an announcement like this?

238
00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,160
Speaker 1: It's joyous. I mean I spent my morning and afternoon,

239
00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,080
Speaker 1: early afternoon at this was already planned because they had

240
00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,760
Speaker 1: played this Pete Rose Day, but it what is was

241
00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,320
Speaker 1: Boldface Park is now Pete Rose Park, kind of the

242
00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,280
Speaker 1: park that Pete grew up playing on. And really I

243
00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:17,160
Speaker 1: drove from my place out there. It is basically four

244
00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,280
Speaker 1: to four and a half miles from Great American Ballpark

245
00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,199
Speaker 1: and then it's like, breathe, three and a half miles

246
00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,560
Speaker 1: to Pete's childhood home. And so on my way out

247
00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,800
Speaker 1: there this morning, I drove by Pete's home. I don't

248
00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,280
Speaker 1: know why, I just did. And then I was turned around.

249
00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,760
Speaker 1: I just kind of looked and I was like, cup,

250
00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,760
Speaker 1: there it is. Look, it's big Ben Parliament. Turned around,

251
00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,679
Speaker 1: pulled into the one of the local convenience stores UDF,

252
00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,120
Speaker 1: and it's hilarious. Pull in to get a coke and

253
00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,120
Speaker 1: I look up in the fountains. It's like, get your

254
00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,320
Speaker 1: big red machine commemorative cup and Pete Rose is still

255
00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,000
Speaker 1: on the outside. And that's how they're selling stuff is

256
00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,840
Speaker 1: Pete Rose. He is a beloved figure in this town.

257
00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,640
Speaker 1: You cannot uh, you can't. You know, it goes beyond

258
00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,280
Speaker 1: playing for the Cincinnati Reds. He is from Cincinnati, like

259
00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, he went to West High He is Cincinnati,

260
00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,360
Speaker 1: threw and through did did commercials for gold Star Chili.

261
00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,960
Speaker 1: Uh so like this is there's there's nothing quite like

262
00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,800
Speaker 1: it that that I've experienced in my life, and I've

263
00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,000
Speaker 1: lived all over the place. The dedication in this city

264
00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,079
Speaker 1: and the reverence for Pete Rose is unmatched. Talked to

265
00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,040
Speaker 1: Pete Rose Junior, who uh you guys? Yeah, ah, do

266
00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,320
Speaker 1: you know him from your White Sox time I played

267
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,160
Speaker 1: against him? He was, I was with the Toys.

268
00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,199
Speaker 3: He he was like thirty two in triple or aball Sorry,

269
00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,040
Speaker 3: he was in South Bend. He was like thirty two.

270
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,040
Speaker 1: And then he was a coach in the and the

271
00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,320
Speaker 1: White Sox system there for a while. And but he lives.

272
00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,120
Speaker 1: He lives a couple of miles down the road. He

273
00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,079
Speaker 1: still lives in town. It is. It's it's one of

274
00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,160
Speaker 1: those things that's just he is a huge part of

275
00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,560
Speaker 1: this city. He just can't go anywhere. I was on

276
00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,880
Speaker 1: Fourteenth Street and there's a mural of Pete Rose on

277
00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,360
Speaker 1: fourteen on a building on the side of fourteenth Street

278
00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,720
Speaker 1: down in over the Rhyine area of the town. He's

279
00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,559
Speaker 1: just everywhere. There's the statue out front that I saw

280
00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people at yesterday that I went, what

281
00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:19,440
Speaker 1: was the day that he died?

282
00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:19,680
Speaker 5: There?

283
00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,680
Speaker 1: It is it is, It's just I can't explain it.

284
00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,760
Speaker 1: And I've lived all over the world and I've seen

285
00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:28,400
Speaker 1: nothing like it.

286
00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,840
Speaker 2: So I was there on opening day. It's around when

287
00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,000
Speaker 2: I saw you, and they did a moment of silence

288
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,800
Speaker 2: for him, and it was probably the biggest moment of

289
00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,040
Speaker 2: the day. Right, It's the part that I think a

290
00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,800
Speaker 2: lot of fans were looking forward to. I mean, I

291
00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,400
Speaker 2: got to converse obviously with people around Cincinnati, and it's

292
00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,040
Speaker 2: why I ask in and I think it's why it's

293
00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,120
Speaker 2: super timely to have you on during a time like this,

294
00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,120
Speaker 2: because let's also be real, Yeah, he's you know, he's

295
00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,920
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's son. He's been there, he was there for a

296
00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,800
Speaker 2: long time. He's a legendary ballplayer. It's also not the

297
00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,240
Speaker 2: perfect role model by any means. So how do you

298
00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,160
Speaker 2: think fans were receiving the entire process up to this

299
00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,840
Speaker 2: point with the way that Major League Baseball handled things,

300
00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,920
Speaker 2: because we all of a sudden had this flip flop

301
00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,440
Speaker 2: several weeks after the president, who's a big Pete Rose fan,

302
00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,600
Speaker 2: meets with Commissioner Manfred Let's do some math here. Do

303
00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,800
Speaker 2: you think that Red's fans have any I don't want

304
00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,480
Speaker 2: to say regret or maybe it's frustrating.

305
00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:27,280
Speaker 3: Earlier.

306
00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think most people are are disappointed that Pete

307
00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,800
Speaker 1: didn't get to see this, that Pete wasn't there for that.

308
00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,200
Speaker 1: But that is kind of like that is the bigger point.

309
00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,000
Speaker 1: But when you look at the wording, it wouldn't have

310
00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,360
Speaker 1: happened if they would have announced it a year ago. Right,

311
00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,080
Speaker 1: They could have announced this clarification a year ago before

312
00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,640
Speaker 1: he passed, and that probably would have been more cruel,

313
00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:57,160
Speaker 1: quite honestly, but it is. I think there's you know,

314
00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:02,000
Speaker 1: when you have like an ex girlfriend and something happened

315
00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,560
Speaker 1: and you know it's over and you don't want to

316
00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,880
Speaker 1: litigate it again, but you're always going to hold it

317
00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,560
Speaker 1: against that person. That's kind of where we are. These

318
00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,600
Speaker 1: are matters of the heart, and I think the people

319
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,720
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, the baseball fans for the majority of Cincinnati

320
00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,840
Speaker 1: and Pete Rose fans aren't going to be happy about

321
00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,960
Speaker 1: anything that happens because it didn't happen when Pete was alive,

322
00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,080
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen on you know, when everybody expected

323
00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,240
Speaker 1: it to in the summer in nineteen ninety one. And

324
00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,160
Speaker 1: that's that's just kind of how it is, and it's

325
00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing that can be done to change the past,

326
00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,480
Speaker 1: and people are still upset. I heard it today like, oh,

327
00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,960
Speaker 1: why couldn't have they done this earlier? And they should

328
00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,320
Speaker 1: have And now he's going into the hall, but he

329
00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,240
Speaker 1: won't be here and he won't be here for this dedication.

330
00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,720
Speaker 1: But that's not exactly the story, you know, like that's

331
00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,440
Speaker 1: not the truth because he was never going to be

332
00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,160
Speaker 1: allowed in while he was alive. It was just a

333
00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,320
Speaker 1: clarification of your band expires when you do.

334
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,160
Speaker 4: There was a lot of political pressure on this too, though,

335
00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:06,800
Speaker 4: that's oo.

336
00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,720
Speaker 3: I mean jan Jade Vance, who's big in Cincinnati right

337
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:17,120
Speaker 3: j is the vice president now has said things, Yes,

338
00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,680
Speaker 3: Trump drive by his place and his brother just got crushed.

339
00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, like there was political things and and and

340
00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,640
Speaker 1: I would be I think it'd be naive to think

341
00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,560
Speaker 1: that that didn't play any part in this because the

342
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,160
Speaker 1: world was politics and this is big business as well,

343
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,440
Speaker 1: and this is very involved in big business. Major League

344
00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,000
Speaker 1: Baseball is a pretty large business, and you have even

345
00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,760
Speaker 1: larger businessmen involved in Major League Baseball. So so that

346
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,920
Speaker 1: is I I believe that was part of it. Vun

347
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,520
Speaker 1: rose that she met with Commissioner Manfred in December and

348
00:17:53,800 --> 00:18:01,880
Speaker 1: she was actually like sincerely, uh like a complimentary of

349
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,040
Speaker 1: Commissioner Manfred and how he handled it with her and

350
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,440
Speaker 1: how he approached it, which I found very interesting because

351
00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't just a simple platitude. It seemed genuine when

352
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,639
Speaker 1: when Fawn spoke Pete's oldest child, his daughter, and so

353
00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,680
Speaker 1: it was that was this morning, and so I think

354
00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:26,439
Speaker 1: there was some help there for the family, but for

355
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,280
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati now and this like honestly, like

356
00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,639
Speaker 1: you know, President Trump said something about pardoning him and

357
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,240
Speaker 1: that would have nothing to do with any of this.

358
00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,200
Speaker 1: It's just political theater. Wait, what happened to Ja d

359
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,440
Speaker 1: Vance's brother. You said he got crushed. He was well

360
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,679
Speaker 1: by the by the by the the current mayor, and

361
00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,359
Speaker 1: it was a primary. He'll still get crushed again in

362
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,320
Speaker 1: November because it was a primary where the top two

363
00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,640
Speaker 1: of three candidates go on, and I think Mayor Perval,

364
00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,600
Speaker 1: who was not at the thing today. The vice mayor

365
00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,920
Speaker 1: was there also interesting, eight eighty three percent voted for

366
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 1: mayor peer of all, I think it was thirteen for

367
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 1: his brother who is running. But I think you know

368
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,320
Speaker 1: you can get my political things there. He has no shot.

369
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 1: This is a like a fairly democratic Hamilton County is

370
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 1: fairly solidly democratic leading and so yeah, he's just using

371
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,679
Speaker 1: this as probably. I'm sure he'll run for a larger

372
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,960
Speaker 1: state office at some point.

373
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 2: Last one for me is this the Pete Rose rule. Now,

374
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 2: if you're permanently kicked out from the game, you now

375
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 2: are back in the mix once you die. So if

376
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,640
Speaker 2: anyone does something wrong in baseball that gets them kicked

377
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,639
Speaker 2: out forever, forever actually means just until you pass, and

378
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 2: then you could be voted into the Hall of Fame

379
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 2: or whatever else I guess there is for being on Elson.

380
00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's that's pretty much, and it will be

381
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 1: colloquially known as the Pete Rose rule, even if it

382
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,719
Speaker 1: also applies to the eight band. By kinnessall mountain landis

383
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 1: the White Sox because they have well obviously passed so

384
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: that is that's gonna be it. But it also it

385
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 1: skips the writers. The writers will not have a chance,

386
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: and that's fine by me. I mean I don't I

387
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,360
Speaker 1: don't care. But it's again speaking of people like saying, hey,

388
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: not my fault. That's not gonna be the writer's fault.

389
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 1: And it never has been the writer's fault that Pete

390
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 1: wasn't in. And honestly, I think Pete would have a

391
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 1: better chance with the writers than with the Veterans Committee.

392
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 3: Would you have voted for him, That's all I want.

393
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,880
Speaker 3: Would you have voted for him if he was put

394
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 3: on the ballot.

395
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had twenty one hundred and fifty four hits.

396
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean I vote for for I voted for Barry Bonds.

397
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 1: I quite honestly, I vote for Manny Ramirez in part

398
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: because of Pete Rose. If if because honestly, like Pete

399
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,199
Speaker 1: Rose served as time we don't believe in it is

400
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 1: at least legally in the legal sense, and I would

401
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: vote for You know what man Or Ramierre served this time,

402
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: And I'm fine. All I know is what happened on

403
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 1: the field. You guys probably know both of you faced

404
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: many pictures who were never found out who were probably

405
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: using performance enhancing drugs. How many of you know, say,

406
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: let's go to Rafael Palmiro, because that's a guy who

407
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: did test positive. Like, we don't know how many of

408
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: his home runs we're against pitchers using So was it

409
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: an even field? I don't know. All I know is

410
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 1: what happened on the field. Bajor League Baseball has never

411
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: said that those games didn't count or didn't happen are

412
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: part of the record book. So my general feeling when

413
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: I vote for the Hall of Fame is that I

414
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: vote for what happened on the field because that's all

415
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: I know and all I am judging.

416
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 2: Okay, that's consistent.

417
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: Respect I respect that.

418
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's consistent.

419
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: I respect that. That's cool.

420
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, it's it's a line where

421
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 4: if you do something once the testing was and you

422
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 4: broke those rules, that's a different story.

423
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: If you did them before.

424
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 3: And I understand that really as afore as a player,

425
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 3: it's somebody that played in the heart. I mean I

426
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: was in the middle of it and then I was

427
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: in the middle of after, right, So to me, if

428
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 3: you did it after the two thousand and five when

429
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: they started testing, that's a different yea, you knowingly broke

430
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: the rules before that. You might have broken the unwritten

431
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: rules that nobody talked about and nobody knew, but it wasn't.

432
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 1: It wasn't. And they also elected all the enablers. You know,

433
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: there are people in the game who enabled it. When

434
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about managers, executives, commissioners, that there in the

435
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame too. So right am I? Am I wrong? No,

436
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: you're right, no doubt.

437
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Good combo, Trent, thanks for joining us.

438
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: We'll catch it soon. Enjoy Pete Rose Knight at the ballpark.

439
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: The White Socks, the White Sox to in a row

440
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: and you got the Pope on your side. That's right,

441
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: we can't. And aj Pierzinski, I mean, how do you

442
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: get a higher trio than Obama, the Pope and Pierce

443
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: in Ski right, the three piece, it's.

444
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 2: The dream team thanks to your head and talks.

445
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: To you, Friz Pierceski. Yeah,