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Speaker 2: on long walks. I want to talk about the Warriors.

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Speaker 2: You covered for years, So I looked Sportico had a

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Speaker 2: list today of the five most valuable franchises in the

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Speaker 2: United States. Three of them are NBA franchises and one

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Speaker 2: was the Warriors. Now, if I would have told you

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago it's going to go Cowboys and Golden

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Speaker 2: State Warriors, you anybody would have thought, what the hell happened?

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Speaker 2: They were a mess for twenty years. I mean I

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Speaker 2: grew up with them with Rick Berry in the seventies.

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Speaker 2: You know, they had some interesting teams Tim Hardaway, but

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Speaker 2: Mattingly years it was a dead brand. You can look

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Speaker 2: back and there's a lot of people that can take credit.

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Speaker 2: But I've thought about this. The Lakers were very big

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Speaker 2: most of these organizations that are listed the Celtics have

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Speaker 2: been big since Bill Russell. Yeah, but you look at

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Speaker 2: the Warriors and as somebody that covered them, can you

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Speaker 2: make an argument if they're a eight billion dollar franchise

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Speaker 2: that seven and a half of that have been driven

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Speaker 1: I know it's the number of a B. I'll say

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Speaker 1: that much about it, whatever it is. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Logan Roy, the Logan Roy line where nobody wanted to

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Speaker 1: watch the Warriors, but then we got Steph Curry and

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Speaker 1: we got some draft picks, and look at them. It's

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Speaker 1: amazing how forgotten it is, how irrelevant they were. And

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Speaker 1: I remember being in those locker rooms where a tumblewee

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Speaker 1: That's all I got to covering them, Colin, is that

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Speaker 1: I was just blogging about them as a fan on

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Speaker 1: going to these games. Like they're desperate for somebody to

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Speaker 1: Half the time, those two beat writers are talking to

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Speaker 1: then we both get the day off like that was

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Speaker 1: It's been driven by more than Steph. I'm a little

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Speaker 1: bit defensive on behalf of your guy, Draymond Green's legacy.

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Speaker 1: I know he can annoy people, but I think because

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Speaker 1: Nobody has been drafted into a more perfect situation. And

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Speaker 1: He became the best defensive player of his generation, which

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Speaker 2: that Steph Curry, more than any basketball player, football player, golfer,

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's ever been a player in the

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Speaker 2: I mean, oh, Tawny's great, but we had Babe Ruth.

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Speaker 2: Everything he's changed. I mean, I just I look at

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Speaker 2: Like analytics for baseball, You're like, yeah, the game is

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Speaker 2: now it's boring. That's the way analytics all work is

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Speaker 2: more than any athlete of my lifetime, literally changed Muhammad

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Speaker 2: that's just my take that Steph Curry is probably one

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Speaker 1: a great topic. I totally agree, and I think what's

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Speaker 1: we say nobody has changed their sport more. When that happens,

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Speaker 1: people can become a victim of their own influence. Mike

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Speaker 1: That's what it feels a little bit like right now.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin's not the first athlete the deal with this. Tiger

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to talk about it looks like World

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Speaker 2: War three and I don't understand it. And I've talked

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Speaker 2: about this on a previous podcast with John Middlcoff. So

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Speaker 2: outside of the NFL, which has been sort of in

431
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Speaker 2: a growth trajectory since I was like twelve, every other

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Speaker 2: sport is cyclical boxing died because of its greed, and

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00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: UFC horse racing because of several factors, of one of

434
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Speaker 2: which is this controversy with horses dying and drugs. It's

435
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Speaker 2: just a mess. Nobody wants to touch it. Soccer, the

436
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: World Cup, now globalization takes place, has never been more popular.

437
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: We become more of an event culture. But things are

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Speaker 2: cyclical and so right now. In my opinion, baseball speeds

439
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Speaker 2: up the game. Defensive shift is gone Otani to the Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: Harper Phillies, Soto, Mets, Judge, Yankees, Ronald Lacuna, Braves. All

441
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Speaker 2: the best players and most interesting players are all in

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Speaker 2: the right markets. ESBN a couple of years ago, signed

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Speaker 2: a seven billion dollar deal. I think it was it

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Speaker 2: was around there or it was seven years, three billion

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Speaker 2: dollar deal with TNT. For hockey, there's not a single

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Speaker 2: iconic hockey franchise in America. Maybe the Toronto Maple Leafs.

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Speaker 2: In North America. There's not a single recognizable superstar hockey player.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to love the Knicks, Warrior, Celtics, Lakers,

449
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Speaker 2: Lebron Steph these are household names. I do not understand it.

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Speaker 2: I think Jimmy Pataro or whoever is in this process

451
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Speaker 2: has made a big mistake, stiff arming major League Baseball. Like, guys,

452
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Speaker 2: it is significantly more relevant than hockey.

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Speaker 1: What say you, I wonder I'm sure the analysis they

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Speaker 1: did was deeper, but everybody's informed by their biases and

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Speaker 1: the people around them. I wonder if certain decisions are

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Speaker 1: informed by sitting in the middle of Connecticut versus your

457
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Speaker 1: self column where you're doing a lot of your show

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Speaker 1: out of la I know you're moving to Chicago. There

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Speaker 1: are parts of this country or the NHL just does

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Speaker 1: not exist. It doesn't. It's not my assessment of how

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Speaker 1: good a sport it is. It's just a reality that

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Speaker 1: there are certain parts of the country where hockey seems

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Speaker 1: very very relevant, and there are certain parts of the

464
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Speaker 1: country where you will go years between anybody mentioning the

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Speaker 1: sport in your midst. I like what baseball has been doing.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit to bring it back to the

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Speaker 1: Bezos thing. I don't know if everything they're doing is

468
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Speaker 1: gonna work, but it's hard to hit a target without

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Speaker 1: aiming for it. And when they go, we're speeding up

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Speaker 1: the game, We're making the bases bigger, We're doing this.

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Speaker 1: We're doing that. It's at least a concession that we

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Speaker 1: have a problem, we're trying to solve it. We care

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Speaker 1: about you as the fan, we want your business. And

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Speaker 1: they did some great advertising for it with Brian Cranston's

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Speaker 1: narration and now they've got the box office stars and

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Speaker 1: they've got the Otani thing going. Look, it's strange to me.

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Speaker 1: I think baseball gets culturally short shrift. It's not as

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Speaker 1: glamorous as basketball is. But people will say things about

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Speaker 1: basketball that are just as true of baseball, and they

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Speaker 1: won't say it about baseball, like, oh, basketball so international,

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Speaker 1: so global? They go, okay, what about baseball? No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: Well wait a second, is Japan, Korea? These aren't other

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Speaker 1: countries far away Latin America. I mean, baseball is still

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Speaker 1: very popular. I think we just have it locked in

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Speaker 1: our heads that baseball is the aging grain. Dyings sports

486
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Speaker 1: agree and these other sports are on the come up,

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Speaker 1: when in reality, all the inventory sports I would call them,

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Speaker 1: have basically the same issue. You know, there are events

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Speaker 1: sports like football, where they're very rare when you know

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Speaker 1: when they're going to happen, and they cut through all

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Speaker 1: the noise in the culture their events, and then there

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Speaker 1: are inventory sports that made a ton of money in

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Speaker 1: the cable television years still make a ton of money

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Speaker 1: but might not be as relevant to that end of

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Speaker 1: the business now where there are so many games that

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Speaker 1: you have them on the background of your life. And

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Speaker 1: that's baseball, that is hockey, that's basketball. They're all facing

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Speaker 1: the same issue. And I think baseball became almost the

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Speaker 1: archetype or the example of decline in that respect that

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Speaker 1: was afflicting the other major sports that had the same issue,

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Speaker 1: and it's caused some people to overlook some of what

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Speaker 1: baseball has going for it. How Yeah, the World Series

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Speaker 1: recently have been more watched than the NBA Finals. I

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Speaker 1: think that would surprise some people.

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Speaker 2: But it's true. Yeah. No, I think to your point,

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Speaker 2: is baseball, hockey in the NBA are all more international.

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Speaker 2: But I would say with Luca going to the Lakers

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Speaker 2: and Jimmy Butler to the Warriors, and the Knicks and

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Speaker 2: the Celtics, current relevancy the NBA and baseball actually, as

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Speaker 2: of this week, the NBA and baseball have their stars

511
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Speaker 2: in the right cities and they're both buys going forward. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is not an anti hockey take but it's expensive.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: There was no ice hockey rink where I grew up,

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00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: and in warmer climates, it's just not a thing. You

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00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: don't have hockey teams. In high school. We all played basketball,

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Speaker 2: we all played Little league baseball. So it's really interesting. Again,

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Speaker 2: this goes back to everything, but the NFL is cyclical.

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Speaker 2: If you go look at college football Ethan, after the

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Speaker 2: kind of the USC Texas National Championship, the sport for

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Speaker 2: about fifteen eighteen years got really southern and really regional Georgia, LSU, Bama, Clemson.

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Speaker 2: The numbers and the attendance went down. Alabama had an

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Speaker 2: attendance problem with Nick Saban. Now Fox and the ESPN

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Speaker 2: step in and say we're financially going to control the sport.

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Speaker 2: College football is now a buy Baseball today is a

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Speaker 2: buye and I think it's a huge misstep by ESPN

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Speaker 2: to break off talks. I just I can't believe what

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Speaker 2: I'm watching.

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Speaker 1: Man. I wish I could re capitulate what Logan Roy

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Speaker 1: in Succession said in the first episode. There was this

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Speaker 1: amazing scene where Ken his son, did you watch Succession?

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Speaker 1: How much exposition should I? I watched probably four or

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Speaker 1: five episodes. Yes, okay, that's good enough, that's good enough.

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Speaker 1: The Logan Roy, his son, is saying, it's all getting faster,

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Speaker 1: it's all getting different. It's so different. Now we've got

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Speaker 1: to buy the equivalent of whatever Gaker was in that show.

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Speaker 1: I think they called it Volter, And Logan Roy does

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Speaker 1: this speech saying, oh, it's all so different. You know.

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Speaker 1: You know in the past they said people didn't want

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Speaker 1: to go to the movies, but we built up the

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Speaker 1: movie theaters and it turns out they do. And he

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Speaker 1: goes through this whole speech and basically the idea of

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Speaker 1: the speech is that it's not all about trends. Trends

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Speaker 1: are part of it, but sometimes it's just somebody with

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Speaker 1: a vision saying this is what we're going to do.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're going to be doing. I have

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Speaker 1: the money, I can see it. I'm putting all my

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Speaker 1: life force behind it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be enough to make baseball as popular

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Speaker 1: as it was in the nineteen eighties. Indeed, I doubt it.

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Speaker 1: But there's just something to this idea of the leadership

553
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Speaker 1: matters these sports. They're not just determined by these other factors.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the people running these sports, the people televising these sports,

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Speaker 1: they have the capacity to step in like a Dana White.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was just natural for UFC to

557
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Speaker 1: become the big property it was. There had to be

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Speaker 1: a guy who saw it, who knew it could be.

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Speaker 1: So that's how I feel about it. And I think

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Speaker 1: there's some potential there with baseball, and hell, there could

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Speaker 1: be some potential there with hockey if they do it right.

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Speaker 1: If they say let's start building rinks in the suburbs

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Speaker 1: of southern California and Florida. Who knows, but you've got

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Speaker 1: to try, You got to aim for that target.

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Speaker 2: I think you made a really interesting comment at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of that discussion on where ESPN is located may

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Speaker 2: be a factor in what sports they like. Let me

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Speaker 2: give you a story. I'm not sure if I've told

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Speaker 2: this before. He was one of my favorite people at ESPN,

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Speaker 2: John Walsh, kind of the Spengali of the company, very smart,

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Speaker 2: and I went upstairs. He was on like the fourth

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Speaker 2: or fifth floor, which I tried to avoid. It was

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Speaker 2: all the bosses, you know, And I would go see

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Speaker 2: him about once a month, and if there was a

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Speaker 2: good new Yorker magazine. He was very well read, very

576
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Speaker 2: learned guy, and I just I thought he was fascinating

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Speaker 2: and we would go up and talk. And I remember

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Speaker 2: going to him and saying, John, there is this sport

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Speaker 2: UFC and it's big in Vegas in LA I think

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Speaker 2: you guys should buy it. I said. It is more

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Speaker 2: organized than boxing. They've gotten rid of some of the

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Speaker 2: eye gouging and some of the real brutal techniques involved.

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Speaker 2: They've cleaned it up. It's more corporate. And it's again,

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Speaker 2: it's not a pit bull against the beach ball. It's

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Speaker 2: like boxing. It's got you know, weight classes and size

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Speaker 2: dimensions where you get even fights. And I said, John,

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Speaker 2: I think this thing. I think this thing is huge.

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Speaker 2: And the takeaway from John and many at ESPN is

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Speaker 2: it's too brutal. It's too raw. There's too much blood.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk Red Sox baseball. And I remember when I

591
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: was I'm not picking on anybody, but I can remember

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Speaker 2: there was a commercial one time. I was driving to

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Speaker 2: work at the other place and they were talking about

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Speaker 2: Florida playing Florida State and the commercial red at that

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Speaker 2: company and the Gators from Tallahassee and the seminoles from Gainesville,

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Speaker 2: and I literally called the Boston went guys, you sound

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Speaker 2: completely tone deaf to southern college football fans. You don't

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Speaker 2: even know where they play. And so I think your point.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not saying Fox or other

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Speaker 2: networks haven't made mistakes. I'm not picking on anybody. But

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Speaker 2: I do think when you grow up in the Northeast

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Speaker 2: is that you don't follow college football. You didn't initially

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Speaker 2: get UFC. It was I can remember having bosses that

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Speaker 2: like that, that really considered college football niche and baseball everything.

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Speaker 2: And I do think I argue this for years with friends.

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Speaker 2: I said, my negotiations with Fox have always been pretty easy,

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Speaker 2: and I said one of the reasons is they're near Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: and they're what they would call talent friendly because this

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Speaker 2: is the world they live in, and they you know,

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Speaker 2: they live in southern California. This is the home of

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Speaker 2: entertainment and stars. So they're really good at negotiating with

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Speaker 2: on air people that it feels like family. It never

613
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Speaker 2: gets personal, you don't always get what you want, but

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Speaker 2: it does feel different, whereas a lot of sports companies

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Speaker 2: in the Northeast feel like sports factories. You go to work,

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Speaker 2: you punch a clock, you put in over time. Here's

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Speaker 2: management and down there is the workforce. And it doesn't

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Speaker 2: feel like that for southern California. It doesn't feel like

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Speaker 2: that for maybe Netflix based in California, it doesn't feel

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Speaker 2: like that for Fox. So I do think where a

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Speaker 2: company is located has an influence on the culture within

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Speaker 2: the company, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: No, I have a story that's similar. I think it's

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Speaker 1: less about the location, but it's just more about these

625
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Speaker 1: companies that get locked into a certain way of doing things.

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Speaker 1: And it's natural for us to project our sensibility on

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Speaker 1: the public and to make what we think is popular

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Speaker 1: to us popular for everybody. I think we all do that,

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Speaker 1: and I had an experience. It's a self serving example,

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Speaker 1: and forgive me for it, But in twenty sixteen, I

631
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Speaker 1: was reporting this story for ESPN, the magazine, and it

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Speaker 1: was back when magazines, I think, had a bit of

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Speaker 1: a higher status. And what's in the ESPN the magazine's

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Speaker 1: a big deal, and it was a big deal to me,

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to do my best story. I had

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Speaker 1: a story about how Nike had screwed up the contract

637
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Speaker 1: for Steph Curry and Steph Curry had wound up with

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Speaker 1: Under Armour. Great story, and Nico Harrison how up to

639
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: be Steph Curry's handler during that time and was in

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00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: this infamous meeting where everything went wrong. Somebody else called

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Speaker 1: it Steph Stephan. Somebody else put up a PowerPoint. It

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Speaker 1: was repurposed materials from the Kevin Durant pitch meeting. It

643
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Speaker 1: was a disaster. And so I had this story and

644
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Speaker 1: I was telling them. I was saying, the sneaker industry,

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Speaker 1: it's a big deal. People are really into the sneaker

646
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Speaker 1: culture and these guys make billions of dollars. And it's

647
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Speaker 1: not just about Michael Jordan. This is a big thing.

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Speaker 1: And the people at he has been the magazine were

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Speaker 1: very smart and they handled me wonderfully. I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to criticize them, but I'm saying that I was younger

651
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Speaker 1: back then. They were a little older than I was,

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Speaker 1: and they had this idea of this is how we

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Speaker 1: cover basketball, this is how we cover the NBA, which

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Speaker 1: you're doing right here. I don't know what to do

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Speaker 1: with it. It's about the sneaker business. That's not what

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Speaker 1: we do here in Connecticut at ESPN and they cut

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Speaker 1: the story from the physical magazine and then they put

658
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Speaker 1: the link up there and it became and I know

659
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Speaker 1: it's self serving, but it became the most read English

660
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Speaker 1: speaking sports story of the year because it connected and

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Speaker 1: there were a bunch of people who do care about

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. People are fascinated by business. People

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Speaker 1: were really into sneaker culture. It just wasn't the sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff that people in Bristol were focusing on every day,

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Speaker 1: and so they missed it as a relevant story. I

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Speaker 1: think that happens all the time. I'm sure I do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I miss really big resonant things just because

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Speaker 1: I'm one person and I'm going to see the world

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Speaker 1: through my own taste.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've noticed this. One of the reasons

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Speaker 2: I love every four years are elections is not because

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Speaker 2: I'm right. It's because of how wrong I am. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and issues that I view as niche issues, the transgender issue,

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Speaker 2: which I viewed as niche, didn't affect me. I think

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Speaker 2: it became a real touchstone for people in this country.

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Speaker 2: I had I was asked about it and my take was, ohays,

677
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Speaker 2: it's such a small number. It feels clicky well, I

678
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Speaker 2: was wrong. It had a touchedn't feel like immigration was

679
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Speaker 2: obviously a massive issue. Inflation was a massive issue. But

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Speaker 2: I think that is something I think about this all

681
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Speaker 2: the time, and I tell my staff this all the time.

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Speaker 2: Let's try to avoid confirmation bias, just because I want

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Speaker 2: something to happen. Like Sam Darnold, I loved his season,

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Speaker 2: but I kept saying on the air, I can't unsee

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Speaker 2: for interception games, the New England disasters, it's ill rear

686
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Speaker 2: its head, and eventually it did so. So that's something

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Speaker 2: I fight, but I'm guilty of it constantly. Do you

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Speaker 2: do you find yourself like the transgender issue. For me,

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Speaker 2: I just I never thought it would have that impact.

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Speaker 2: I remember being in a discussion though. I went and

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Speaker 2: had a beer with some friends. There's a place in

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Speaker 2: Manhattan Beach called the nine hundred Club. It's kind of

693
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Speaker 2: a private club, really neat, cozy, almost feels like a

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Speaker 2: ski lodge. And it was about a month out or

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Speaker 2: two months out from the election, and you know, guys

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Speaker 2: were talking about stuff and I was kind of eavesdropping,

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Speaker 2: but half watching, you know, an NFL highlights and half listening,

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Speaker 2: and I couldn't believe they had kids. I couldn't believe

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Speaker 2: how passionate they were. And these this is southern California,

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Speaker 2: these are not like These are not like Midwest alt

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Speaker 2: right conservatives. It's not the crowd. And I remember walking

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Speaker 2: out that night and thinking, man, I am just detached

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Speaker 2: from this. Have you had something like that?

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Speaker 1: Wow? I think I was surprised by the Democratic overperformance

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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty two midterms. So that was a

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Speaker 1: situation where yes, where I went, Oh, I thought there

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Speaker 1: would be more of a reaction. Things seem to have

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Speaker 1: gone not great with all the inflation, and there are

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Speaker 1: some of the these other topics, and people were talking

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Speaker 1: about a red wave, and so I was very surprised

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Speaker 1: by how the Democrats overperformed in that election. And so

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Speaker 1: as I share your exact sensibility where I'm endlessly curious

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Speaker 1: about the public because I can't predict where they're going

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Speaker 1: to go. I live in the Bay Area. How would

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Speaker 1: I know what normal people are into and what's going

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Speaker 1: to be motivating to them. And I don't look at

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Speaker 1: them in a condescending way when I learn it either,

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Speaker 1: I just go, Okay, well, this is what's motivating to people?

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Speaker 1: This is what they care about. I do not believe

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Speaker 1: you'll hear people use that term voting against your own interest.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that's a thing. I think your interest

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Speaker 1: is what you're voting on. If you're more interested in

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Speaker 1: culture than you are in economics, you're not voting against

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Speaker 1: your own interest. If you're voting against something that would

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Speaker 1: help you economically. Your interest is culture, and that's relevant

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Speaker 1: to what you care about. I respect that, I understand that.

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Speaker 1: So I think that was one where where I was

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Speaker 1: I was surprised, and then you try to learn more

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Speaker 1: and try to see about, Okay, why why did that happen?

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Speaker 1: Why are people maybe a little wigged out still about

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Speaker 1: the January sixth stuff At that particular time, I think

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Speaker 1: that was motivating. And I also think obviously the Dobbs

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Speaker 1: decision and abortion that happened a few months before that election,

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Speaker 1: and that seemed to be galvanizing. And so you learn

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Speaker 1: a little bit and I think that that's healthy. But people,

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, do not approach it that way. Often

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Speaker 1: they approach it like, well, the public, I either completely

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Speaker 1: know what they're going to do, They're going to do

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Speaker 1: what I want them to do, and then when it

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen, they're idiots and they're bad and this country

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Speaker 1: is bad. I don't like that reaction. I much prefer

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Speaker 1: I much prefer going, Okay, what's going on? Why did

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Speaker 1: you people feel that way? And where are you feeling it.

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious about the different parts of the country.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that the county that's to the

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Speaker 1: east of the county I grew up in, to the

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Speaker 1: east of California. I think it's Imperial County. I should

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Speaker 1: know that because I grew up there, But it's I

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Speaker 1: think something like eighty five percent Hispanic on the border,

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Speaker 1: and it made this massive shift towards Trump. Nobody would

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Speaker 1: have predicted that, nobody. So the elections are just this

752
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Speaker 1: real object lesson in understanding attitudes out there that.

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Speaker 2: We probably wouldn't even be aware of. So, yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: not beholden to being right, You're beholden to getting smarter.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I think I like your podcast is

756
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Speaker 2: that I again, this is a criticism of the mainstream media.

757
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: They are paralyzed by being right, never acknowledged when they're wrong,

758
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Speaker 2: and lack a certain ability to just say shit, I

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Speaker 2: whiffed on that, and I am fascinated. I remember when

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Speaker 2: emails were a thing to radio shows, and I would

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Speaker 2: read them almost obsessively. I remember I was listening to

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Speaker 2: Tim Cook, a CEO of Apple, saying the first thing

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Speaker 2: he does for an hour every day is read emails

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Speaker 2: from people about his products, good or bad. I used

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Speaker 2: to love emails, and I couldn't tell you how many

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Speaker 2: times I would use an email, and I would use

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Speaker 2: it either as a topic or as a reminder of

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Speaker 2: what people cared about. So I think there is I

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Speaker 2: think I don't. I am fascinated. That's I've said before.

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Speaker 2: There's three days every four years. I'm jealous of political

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Speaker 2: talk show hosts the day before an election, the day

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Speaker 2: of the election, the day after the election. I wish

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Speaker 2: I was doing their job, not mine, because it's just

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Speaker 2: fascinating to watch the American public and what matters to them.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes I'm detached. I remember years ago, I had

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Speaker 2: this driver that occasionally a company paid for when I

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Speaker 2: went to Chicago, and he had been Bernie max Driver,

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Speaker 2: the legendary comedian, one of the funniest people ever would

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Speaker 2: and I was just fascinated. And I think Ocean's eleven

780
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Speaker 2: had been out, and I just would ask him endless

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Speaker 2: questions about Bernie and just how fascinating he was. But

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Speaker 2: I found that this driver, I guess, I guess you

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Speaker 2: call him a personal driver show for whatever you want

784
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Speaker 2: to call him. It was suv how in tune he

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Speaker 2: was to the economy by being a driver. And he

786
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Speaker 2: would talk about, oh, oh, traffic is brutal, economy's great.

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Speaker 2: And I'd never thought about the economy, but his belief

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Speaker 2: based on what time was the traffic, what days were slow,

789
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Speaker 2: what days were busy, what was the activity at the airport.

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Speaker 2: And he'd been doing this for thirty years. He was

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Speaker 2: an older guy, and he was like you, he goes,

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Speaker 2: I could tell you without looking at the stock market,

793
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Speaker 2: without looking at the housing market, I can tell you

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Speaker 2: how the economy is by traffic flow. And it really

795
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Speaker 2: I must have had three or four long conversations with

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Speaker 2: this gentleman, and it really it was like, man, people

797
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Speaker 2: like you have such a heartbeat of how this company

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Speaker 2: is moving. And I find those people fascinating. I think

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Speaker 2: they're in every neighborhood in this country. They generally aren't

800
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Speaker 2: going to Twitter, they don't need to get clicks, but

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Speaker 2: these people that drive people around, These people that work

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Speaker 2: in restaurants, the lady at the diner, what are the tips, Like,

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Speaker 2: are people buying the more expensive thing? I mean, these

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Speaker 2: people that work at restaurants, these people that work at

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Speaker 2: movie theaters. They know what's happening with the economy. You know,

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Speaker 2: there are boots on the ground people, And I think

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Speaker 2: sometimes we overlook those kind of people.

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember Tom Friedman the New York Times off

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Speaker 1: every would get mocked. He would get mocked for doing

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Speaker 1: these sorts of columns where he would have a cab

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Speaker 1: driver and there'd be some primary out in some state.

812
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Speaker 1: And I look back on it and I go, some

813
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Speaker 1: of you cool kid media people need to get in

814
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Speaker 1: some cabs and some ubers, because I don't know if

815
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Speaker 1: Tom Friedman was wrong and using that approach, It's amazing

816
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Speaker 1: what you can learn talking to people, especially if you're

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Speaker 1: traversing the country. I felt like I understood the country

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Speaker 1: better when I was a beat writer covering the Warriors,

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Speaker 1: just because I'd be in random towns, random overs, random cabs,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people listening to Rogan. That's all. I

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Speaker 1: got a sense of how big Rogan was. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people listening to you. I'm not trying to flatter you, Colin,

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Speaker 1: but I did remember going, man, a lot of them

824
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Speaker 1: are listening, listening to the herd out here, and you

825
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Speaker 1: get a sense of people because I think a lot

826
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Speaker 1: of people don't even understand the bubble that they're in.

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Speaker 1: And understanding it, I think is important to being open minded.

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Speaker 1: We're all in it. I'm in it, you're in it,

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Speaker 1: but you have to know that you're in it to

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Speaker 1: start questioning things and start wondering about some things. And

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Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons why I've really enjoyed I'll

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Speaker 1: give a shout out to Mark Halprin's YouTube show two Way,

833
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: where yeah, he'll have opposing perspectives and he'll have Spicer

834
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Speaker 1: from the Republican side and I'm drawing a blank on

835
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Speaker 1: the guy from the Democratic side, and they'll talk about

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Speaker 1: the news of the day. But what's really crazy is

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Speaker 1: he'll bring up just random people to the floor and

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Speaker 1: you'll have random viewers of his debate something political. I

839
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Speaker 1: saw a debate happening between somebody whose perspective was that

840
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Speaker 1: Trump couldn't be elected heus of January sixth, and somebody's

841
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Speaker 1: saying that the media was over hyping it, and at

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Speaker 1: some point Mark broke in and he said, look, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to settle this today, but we're going to

844
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Speaker 1: stay on this because this is the only place in

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Speaker 1: America where this is happening, at least in a way

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Speaker 1: that everybody can see it and regular people have unpredictable

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Speaker 1: political opinions. That's the crazy thing when I watch where

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Speaker 1: somebody will have two right wing opinions and one left

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Speaker 1: or vice versa. It's just hard to imagine because I

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Speaker 1: think in media especially, we're all talking to each other

851
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Speaker 1: and we're all seeing what we say, and we're just

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854
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865
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Speaker 2: throw something out there because you have a great sense

866
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: of media and you've created your own media position. So

867
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos, you know, the founder of Amazon, who, by

868
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: the way, there's an old story in Seattle where I'm from,

869
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: that years ago when Jeff Bezos was pitching Amazon to

870
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: the top names at Microsoft, that the Microsoft guys came

871
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: out of the meeting and said, we just met the

872
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: smartest person we've ever met. Like he was. Jeff was,

873
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: really he was a next level thinker. And so he

874
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: buys the Washington Post and the business is broken. And

875
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 2: the most important part of media to me has always

876
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: been not resources, but trust, and the newspaper industry especially

877
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 2: has lost trust. So he comes out and he says,

878
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 2: you know what, We're going to change things at this company.

879
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: He says, We're going to embrace in our op ed section,

880
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: personal liberties and free markets, and of course the predictably

881
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: precious media. People at the Post are outraged. The business

882
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: is dying. It's been dying for twenty years. When a

883
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: business is dying, you have to change things. My takeaway is, well, guys,

884
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: what you're doing is not working. You were given the

885
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: keys to the kingdom and you lost the try the

886
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 2: American public. And here's a businessman saying, well, we can

887
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 2: go belly up or we can do it my way.

888
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: So I defend Bezos. Here your thoughts on what he

889
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: said and what transpired.

890
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: Man, there's so many directions to take this. I don't

891
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: necessarily know if this loadstart is going to work, but

892
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you about where they were at.

893
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: And I think to have an honest conversation in media

894
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: about what's happening, we need to at least acknowledge that

895
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: you see a lot of people in legacy journalism, formerly

896
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Speaker 1: at the Washington Post, even a guy currently at the

897
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: Washington Post lashing out, And I go, can we admit

898
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: there was a problem? Can we at least admit that much?

899
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: And then maybe you can disagree with Bezos's approach and

900
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: say making the Washington Post like the Wall Street Journal

901
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: won't work or it's self serving or whatever. I want

902
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: to just give people an object example of what I'm

903
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: talking about. Because everybody is accusing everybody of bias and

904
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: political bias all the time. There's this critique of the

905
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: Washington Post that they were biased for the Democratic Party.

906
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: But I really don't think people understand the extent of

907
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: what we mean. I'm gonna I wrote this article about

908
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: the Post. I've been criticizing the Post for a while.

909
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: I draw a distinction by the way, I think The

910
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: New York Times has been a very useful paper, whatever

911
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: people think of its biases. I would not say that

912
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: about the Washington Post, even if some people. They're certainly talented,

913
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: and people have gotten angry at me for that. But

914
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: here's an example of what I mean. The day after

915
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: the Biden debate debacle that ultimately got him shoved out

916
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: of the presidential race, right that was the biggest news

917
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: day of the year, and I remember it. I remember

918
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: going to the Washington Post and going, well, I want

919
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: to know what the insider gossip is. This is the

920
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 1: Washington paper of record. What is going on? I took

921
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: a screenshot of the front page of the Washington Post

922
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: the day after this debate, where Biden's meltdown was the

923
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: biggest news story of the year. The top story on

924
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: the front page is justices strike down obstruction charge used

925
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: for hundreds of January sixth rioters. Latest from the Post

926
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: what Trump said with his very fine people comments versus

927
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: what he meant. There's something about how elephants have been

928
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: orphaned as babies and returned to the wild, and there's

929
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: something about Baltimore's revived Redline will be the light rail system.

930
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: More says those are the top headlines. That's crazy, that's insane. Yeah,

931
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: and there were left leaning or Democrat leaning publications that

932
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Speaker 1: actually covered the news. If you don't do your job,

933
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: somebody is going to do it for you. That's the

934
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Speaker 1: lesson I take from it. The people at the paper

935
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Speaker 1: were not doing their job. They had such a group

936
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: thing going on there where everything was about Trump, and

937
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: everything was about all pulling in the same direction to

938
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Speaker 1: defend the party to the extent when the party actually

939
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: fractured and Biden totally collapses, they can't even cover the story.

940
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: So if you're not covering the story and I can't

941
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Speaker 1: rely on you to do that, then what are we

942
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: really doing here? And Bezos realized he was running that

943
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: kind of operation that just couldn't tell people what they

944
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: wanted to know, and he obviously wants to change things.

945
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Speaker 1: So that's what drives me crazy about how this is

946
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: all played out, how we can't even discuss that this

947
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: you know, this publication was just in a really bad way,

948
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: and now you've got you know, you're kind of subject

949
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: to a lot of journalists thinking that, you know, people

950
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: who aren't the show, who've been propped up by the show,

951
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: the Bezos, Billions, assuming that they are the show, and

952
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: you're not the show. You're not and you're certainly not

953
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: the show if you're not going to do what people

954
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Speaker 1: want you to do.

955
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Speaker 2: So that's my background take on it. You know, I

956
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: was saying this about JJ Reddick the Lakers today. I

957
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: don't mind arrogance as long as it's accompanied by self

958
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: awareness and humility when you're wrong, and I think Jay

959
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 2: Reddick possesses those. I think he has self awareness and

960
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 2: he's not somebody that is unwilling to move off things

961
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: if he's wrong. So I think you have to be

962
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: somewhat arrogant to manage the Yankees, to coach the Cowboys,

963
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,959
Speaker 2: and to coach the Lakers. It's a big brand there's

964
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: a lot of opinions, and I think the lack of

965
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: self awareness among the print media especially and traditional media

966
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: is really out of whack. Bill Maher often says this,

967
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: the idea that you could not discuss the concerns about

968
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: the wu Han lab, the idea that Joe Rogan was

969
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: taken to the woodshed because he suggested what we were

970
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: all seeing during the election, that Joe Biden has a

971
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: significant cognitive decline and it's oatmeal and it's getting worse

972
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: every six months. And then then Jake Tapper's now writing

973
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 2: a book acknowledging, oh there was a cover up. Well,

974
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: I mean it was if you discuss that in the

975
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: first two years of the presidency, it was considered mean

976
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: spirited and it was a wacky conspiracy theory. And the

977
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: lack of self awareness between the traditional you know media

978
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: that guys, we're watching things happen. You know, there's that

979
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: kind of a now iconic piece of John Stewart going

980
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: on Stephen Colbert, and Colbert just can't just lacks complete

981
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: self awareness, just can't embrace it. And so and I'm

982
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: no a fan of Trump, but you know, I I've

983
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: kind of come to terms with I get Trump voters.

984
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: I completely, absolutely get it. And when Bezos makes this move,

985
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: it's like, guys, the business is broken. Yeah, it's over.

986
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: Well, And you could criticize Trump within the context of

987
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: what Bezos is saying. If you're in favor of free markets.

988
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 1: Trump is very much pro tariffs, which doesn't really seem

989
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: to be in accordance with free market. So it doesn't

990
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: necessarily read that this means that you need to lockstep

991
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: cheer on everything Trump is doing. But I think what

992
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: people want ultimately, they want authentic. They don't want you

993
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: to be right all the time. It's impossible you do

994
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: the you know where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong.

995
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: People don't love Charles Barkley because everything he says is true.

996
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: They love Charles Barkley because they know that everything Charles

997
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: Barkley says is what he's thinking.

998
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 2: And by the way, and Barkley admits when he's wrong,

999
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: and this is what I've said before, Nobody in politics

1000
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: will admit they're wrong. Nobody in traditional media goes, hey,

1001
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: I whiffed on this until election night and then they're

1002
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: all all unravels because the wrong guy want in their eyes.

1003
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: And you know this is just something that I and

1004
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: I grew up with somebody. I don't have a problem

1005
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: by the way, with our government funding the Associated press,

1006
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: I really don't. Or but I do think you look

1007
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: at NPR and I listened occasionally to NPR. Yeah, there's

1008
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: there's no question where it's leaning, there's no question where

1009
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: it's coming from. And I'm a subscriber to the New

1010
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: York Times of the Wall Street Journal. I love media.

1011
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: I can read Anne Culture, I can read Ben Shapiro,

1012
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 2: I can read Bill Maher. I go all over the map.

1013
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: I just I'm curious. I want all sorts of media.

1014
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: But the inability for kind of these mainstream media is

1015
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: to acknowledge they are completely out of whack, like even

1016
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: like right now, even with Trump and Elon Musk doing

1017
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: all these moves, well the truth. And I was thinking

1018
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: about this the other day. I'll throw this a Yeah,

1019
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: obviously I don't want to get over my skis too much.

1020
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: But if you look at Europe and what has happened

1021
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: to their economy, it's bloated, heavy bureaucracy. I mean, you

1022
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: can go read about the last ten years of Germany's economy.

1023
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: Too many regulations, too much bureaucracy and now it's stuck

1024
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: in the mud. It used to be a powerful, a

1025
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: more powerful force. And so I think what Trump is

1026
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: saying is what we don't want to do in this country,

1027
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: and I got about six months to turn this stuff around,

1028
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: is we don't want to be Europe. We're going to

1029
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: cut bureaucracy, We're going to cut spending. We want to

1030
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: be nimble and twitchier. So I kind of I'm interested

1031
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: to see how it plays out. I don't agree with

1032
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: all the moves. The media is just has come on

1033
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 2: the side of this is ending democracy, and my take

1034
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: is there are too many smart people that don't agree

1035
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: with that. Where are you on the Trump musk? Rapid change?

1036
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: Rapid changes that are happening very quickly. Okay, Okay, so

1037
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: you said a lot right there. One thing is I

1038
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 2: think it's important to admit what you don't know. I

1039
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: think if people get so invested in trying to show

1040
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: that I have the best take on politics, I'm so

1041
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: smart that they pretend to know things they do. I

1042
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: do not know how our vast federal bureaucracies function. A

1043
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: lot of them I don't, And right now there's a

1044
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: fog of war quality to everything happening. Every story is

1045
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: like that story where from the musk side, it's Politico

1046
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: is getting paid a gazillion dollars by the government, and

1047
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: then it's, well, no, they're not really, but there's some

1048
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: function called political pro and they've got a subscription and

1049
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: it adds up, and maybe it's a little loosey goosey.

1050
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: There's this fog of war where it's really hard for

1051
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: me to track what's happening.

1052
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by it. I also have concerns about how

1053
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: you might not know what we rely on until it

1054
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: suddenly gets broken in this move fast and break things

1055
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: sort of ethos that Elon seems to be operating under.

1056
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: But my critique of the democratic side on this and

1057
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: the media side on this is this I could accept.

1058
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: Let's say they're right about every single criticism they have

1059
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: right now of what Trump and Elon are doing in

1060
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: taking a machete to the bureaucracy and the way that

1061
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: they're doing it. That it's illegal, that it's misguided, that

1062
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Speaker 1: it's going to end bad. Okay, let's just accept that premise. Hypothetically.

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Speaker 1: What is your alternative plan? Because I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: believes that our federal government, which just to service it,

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Speaker 1: we're paying unbelievable amounts in just the interest on the

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Speaker 1: debt in order to get it functioning. Nobody believes that

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Speaker 1: it's completely efficiently run and all the money is being

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Speaker 1: spent efficiently. Nobody believes this. Nobody literally believes this. So

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Speaker 1: tell me what should be cut. If you think they're

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Speaker 1: doing it wrong, then tell me how it should be

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Speaker 1: done right. What you know, what aspects shouldn't get as

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Speaker 1: much money? Where could we become more efficient? If that's happening,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, or at least I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: it at scale. And I think that that speaks to

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Speaker 1: the problem and the predicament much of the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: and the media that the sympathetic to them are incurrently, which

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Speaker 1: is this ability to criticize, but not an ability to

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Speaker 1: present an alternative vision. This ability to say that this

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Speaker 1: Trump issue set is bad or appeals to our basis instincts,

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Speaker 1: but no ability to say, this is what the country

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Speaker 1: should be, this is how we're going to thrive, this

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Speaker 1: is how we will be great or great again.

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Speaker 2: As Trump to say, we're increasingly a bloated bureaucracy and

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Speaker 2: what he's trying to do I think is in the

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Speaker 2: six months, get as much done as he can. And

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Speaker 2: if he takes a machete to some things, he probably shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: It's just part of It's the reality of anybody that

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Speaker 2: buys a new company and tries to create efficiency. You

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Speaker 2: may cut too deeply, but you have also made the

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Speaker 2: company more nimble. You know, you've made the company more efficient,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes you just chop or lop off too much.

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Speaker 2: I can live with a little bit of that because

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Speaker 2: you can always remember, you can recalibrate. You lose it

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Speaker 2: to midterms. I mean, this thing's not going to last forever.

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Speaker 2: Trump's polarizing, so he's going to lose people along the way.

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Speaker 2: But my take is, not only is there no plan,

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Speaker 2: but there is. Once again, it's this almost derangement syndrome

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Speaker 2: where there's nothing that he's doing that works, and I

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Speaker 2: don't believe that to be true, and that's what the

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Speaker 2: media is feeding me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I completely agree. I think there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of issues like this. I think Trump's number one

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Speaker 1: issue in the first election, maybe the second election, was immigration,

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Speaker 1: and you could say that he was cruel or wrongheaded,

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Speaker 1: but then I would ask friends in my life. I'm

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Speaker 1: in the Bay Area effectively, you know, ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: my friends are liberal vote Democrat, and I would go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what should our immigration policy be? Who? How many from where?

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Speaker 1: And it would be crickets. And I think one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons that that side of things has fallen into

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Speaker 1: this this sort of paralysis of never needing to articulate

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Speaker 1: a vision is I think they had a significant advantage.

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Speaker 1: I think that they did have a near monopoly on media,

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Speaker 1: certainly legacy media. Yes, Twitter was on their side. Twitter

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Speaker 1: was run by like minded people and it was this

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Speaker 1: messaging apparatus, so if they had a problem with what

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Speaker 1: the other side was doing, they would just mirror what

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Speaker 1: each other was saying and it would be very effective

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Speaker 1: messaging wise, we're in a new reality. Love him or

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Speaker 1: hate him. Musk has this powerful network in Twitter x

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Speaker 1: as he calls it. He's in government, so he can

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Speaker 1: message what he's doing and get his version of it

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Speaker 1: out there. You can say that there's a conflict of

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Speaker 1: interest there, you can say that's a dystopia, you can

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Speaker 1: say all these different things about it. But it's powerful

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Speaker 1: and you're going to do You're gonna have to do more.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to do better than just saying he's bad,

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Speaker 1: he's a Nazi, or Trump is a Nazi or a fascist,

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Speaker 1: or any of the sort of messaging that might have

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Speaker 1: worked in twenty seventeen. But we're in a new reality.

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Speaker 1: Demographics are shifting. The Democrats are losing young men to

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Speaker 1: a crazy degree. I'm sure you've noticed this because even

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Speaker 1: in our business, Colin, it's not necessarily politics. Purely, the

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Speaker 1: customers people care about are young men, and they're going

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Speaker 1: the other direction. I just don't think it's good enough

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Speaker 1: to sit back and criticize. I think you need to

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Speaker 1: have something of your own to sell.

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Speaker 2: Ethan Strauss his podcast is House of Strauss. He's got

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Speaker 2: a wide variety of guests. He is a podcaster with dexterity.

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Speaker 2: He can talk business, he can talk sports, he can

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Speaker 2: talk media. You and Glass Piegle get all you know.

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Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite You guys get into the

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Speaker 2: weeds on stuff, which I'm completely fascinated by, and you

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Speaker 2: do all this amazing homework, and I just want you

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Speaker 2: to know. I don't know the download numbers, but all

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Speaker 2: that wonky media stuff for a guy that's been in

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Speaker 2: at probably too long. I find fascinating body.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, and thanks so much for all

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Speaker 1: the kind words, and this has been fantastic. Thanks so much, Colin.

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Speaker 1: The volume