Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool Dogs. Who did Dog Stuff?
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Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, yep, now yeah those are your one point
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Speaker 1: with me today as both my guest and producer, but
Speaker 1: not my guest producer because that's a different term for
Speaker 1: a different media medium. Is Sophie.
Speaker 2: Hi, Sophie, I see what you did there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Thanks, that was nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sophie is best known as a producer of podcasts,
Speaker 1: but also probably almost equally known as someone who likes dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, equally hard for how beautiful my dog? Anderson shout
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Speaker 1: Hell Yeah. This week we're talking about dogs. This is
Speaker 1: part two. In part one, we talked about the bummer
Speaker 1: stuff is a pun because bumber was then Oh that's perfect, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. We talked to the domestication of dogs. We
Speaker 1: talked about why dogs and humans belong together and why
Speaker 1: mass euthanasia is not the most effective thing that's ever
Speaker 1: happened in terms of fixing some of the problems between
Speaker 1: humans and dogs. Today, we're gonna talk about riot dogs.
Speaker 2: Where are we starting.
Speaker 1: We're starting in Greece. Did you read ahead. So there's
Speaker 1: a neighborhood in Athens called Exarchia. I really like Athens
Speaker 1: because there's an Athens in every fucking state. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this is the og Athens Athens, Greece, they have a neighborhood.
Speaker 1: They neighborhood's called Exarchia. It is the anarchist neighborhood. Is
Speaker 1: one of the only ways you will find the word
Speaker 1: anarchist in mainstream newspapers, honestly, is if they talk about Exarchia,
Speaker 1: you kind of can't. That's how anarchist it is. You
Speaker 1: can't not say it. There's all these jokes in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty about anarchist jurisdictions. Actually they weren't jokes. There's all
Speaker 1: these strange accusations made about why the government should kill
Speaker 1: everyone in various cities in the United States for being
Speaker 1: anarchist jurisdictions. But exarchia anarchists present about as much political
Speaker 1: power as the actual government does, and that balance goes
Speaker 1: back and forth all the time. Right now, Airbnb is
Speaker 1: fucking it up, and I haven't entirely kept up with
Speaker 1: how things have changed in the ten years or so
Speaker 1: since I've been there. But there are or were dozens
Speaker 1: of squattish social centers. These are huge buildings. Anarchists there
Speaker 1: house refugees and immigrants and physically stop any attempts by
Speaker 1: police to deport those immigrants. They run pay what you
Speaker 1: want cafes. They have open air movie screenings, health clinics,
Speaker 1: and language classes for migrants. Even the restaurants you have
Speaker 1: to pay for often give out free food during the
Speaker 1: general strikes. Greece loves a good general strike, and because well,
Speaker 1: it means literally the birthplace of rule by the people,
Speaker 1: so they like finding out ways to do that. There
Speaker 1: is a large squatted park there called Navarino's Park that
Speaker 1: is run by anarchists. Tourist guides say a self managed
Speaker 1: park run by locals, which is technically true.
Speaker 3: What a great spin on that, I know.
Speaker 1: It was built in two thousand and nine when folks
Speaker 1: just smashed up the concrete and planted flowers and trees
Speaker 1: because they were like, you know what would be better
Speaker 1: than another building is if this was a park, we
Speaker 1: can just do that. And the rules of the park
Speaker 1: are be respectful and clean most of the time. In practice,
Speaker 1: it gets a little trashed during the week and then
Speaker 1: every Sunday volunteers come to the park and clean it up.
Speaker 1: In garden. Police tend to only come into Asarchia in
Speaker 1: large numbers because when they do they're often met with
Speaker 1: molotovs and rocks. People try to solve problems through self organizing.
Speaker 1: While I was there, I went to the weirdest anarchist
Speaker 1: demonstration I've ever been to, which was the most like
Speaker 1: the anarchists are in Charge demonstration. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: reclaim the streets demonstration. Normally, a reclaim the streets demonstration
Speaker 1: is when you reclaim the streets from like government and
Speaker 1: capitalism by having a big parade. This time it was
Speaker 1: a demonstration led by anarchists of all ages to reclaim
Speaker 1: the streets as public space to be shared by all.
Speaker 1: Because there's a problem with some of the younger punks
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood were harassing older people, and so the
Speaker 1: anarchists through it, like leave the old folks alone, new assholes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was beautiful and it was just and the way
Speaker 1: they did that wasn't They showed up and like we're
Speaker 1: going to fuck up any of the young punks. No,
Speaker 1: they just like showed up with like food and shit,
Speaker 1: and they were like, look, the streets belong to all
Speaker 1: of us. We are all part of this neighborhood. We
Speaker 1: all live here together, like.
Speaker 3: A real community, real mutual aid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Controversially from a US perspective where we
Speaker 1: have the war on drugs, they also drove out the
Speaker 1: heroin dealers, who are seen as a scourge and yeah,
Speaker 1: and it is argued that currently the dealers are coming
Speaker 1: back with police assistants, and I don't know the actual
Speaker 1: mechanism of that. As an article in The Daily Beast
Speaker 1: put it, the freedom and ease of life in Exarchia
Speaker 1: is preserved by the constant and immediate will to set
Speaker 1: shit on fire, throw tear gas canisters back at the police,
Speaker 1: maintain esthetic control of the neighborhood, and use petrol bombs
Speaker 1: to remind everyone. The place is not for sale. It
Speaker 1: has been under anarchist control for about half a century,
Speaker 1: as far back as far as I can piece together. Literally,
Speaker 1: it's coming up on its fiftieth anniversary. Because in order
Speaker 1: to talk about stray dogs, we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: Greek military junta.
Speaker 2: You'll love context.
Speaker 1: I do. I love it so much because from nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty seven to nineteen seventy four, Greece was ruled by
Speaker 1: what's called the Greek Kunta, or more poetically, the regime
Speaker 1: of the Colonels. Just a right wing military dictatorship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it probably goes back even further. It goes back to
Speaker 1: the Civil War nineteen forty four, when Greece was liberated
Speaker 1: from the Axis Powers. Was a civil war between the
Speaker 1: communists and the government's and exile. The communists lost. The
Speaker 1: right and the left had been really polarized in Greece
Speaker 1: ever since, maybe since before then, but that's as far
Speaker 1: back as I traced it. In nineteen sixty seven, the
Speaker 1: right wing staged a coup. In nineteen sixty eight, a
Speaker 1: centrist guy tried to assassinate the military leader, but he
Speaker 1: sadly failed. There were large demonstrations, but nothing that really
Speaker 1: shook the dictatorship to the core until nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy three, a fuck ton of people were like,
Speaker 1: are you just serious? Are you serious? We have a dictatorship?
Speaker 1: Fuck this an entire battleship. The H and S Velos mutinied.
Speaker 1: Literally the commander was part of the mutiny. Know that
Speaker 1: I could still kind as a mutiny, but I guess
Speaker 1: if the entire ship mutinies against the higher naval thing right,
Speaker 1: they refused to return to Greece. Meanwhile, the students are
Speaker 1: fighting against conscription. In nineteen seventy three, students barricaded themselves
Speaker 1: into the University of Athens. This is in February, the
Speaker 1: first one of these, and the cops were brutal, they
Speaker 1: tortured people, they did all that stuff. This didn't stop
Speaker 1: the students overall. It probably stopped individual students because of
Speaker 1: the death and the torture. In November, students at the
Speaker 1: Athens Polytechnic, a university in Exarchia, they went on strike
Speaker 1: and their motto was bred education and liberty. Forty years later,
Speaker 1: I was inside the Polytechnic while students were preparing for
Speaker 1: another demonstration, and I saw one of my favorite pieces
Speaker 1: of graffiti ever, which translates to anarchy and stale bread,
Speaker 1: with the argument like subtextas I could live off of
Speaker 1: only anarchy and stale bread.
Speaker 2: I do love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd also love bread. Education at liberty, I know,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy three, the students took over the university,
Speaker 1: and the two big political groups in the university, the
Speaker 1: two leftist groups, including the Soviet Aligne Marxists, were like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we don't endorse this because they're trying to keep their
Speaker 1: heads down because the whole point of the military junta
Speaker 1: was to like crush communism, and so the Marxists are like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, oh fuck, and the rest of the students
Speaker 1: were like, all right, Soviet stands, stay the fuck out
Speaker 1: of our way. And so they barricaded the place and
Speaker 1: they held the cops off for a night and the
Speaker 1: second day and this is some shit out of a movie,
Speaker 1: I fucking swear is now what's called celebration day. Thousands
Speaker 1: of people showed up to support them, and it I
Speaker 1: believe this is like basically like when the protests really
Speaker 1: got large against this dictatorship, a radio tower inside the
Speaker 1: occupied university that they cobbled together like literally out of
Speaker 1: like the thing I read was translated was like out
Speaker 1: of pieces from the lab, like the science lab. They
Speaker 1: just fucking put together radio tower and they started spitting
Speaker 1: out demands for freedom, and for the first time, molotods
Speaker 1: started showing up at protests in Athens, and the junta
Speaker 1: freaked out. They declared martial law, which they had like
Speaker 1: kind of I think walked back a little bit because
Speaker 1: they'd been around for a little bit. They drove a
Speaker 1: tank through the gates of the university. Twenty four people
Speaker 1: were killed. And this is the part of this is
Speaker 1: like the last words heard from the occupied radio station
Speaker 1: before it went dead were hail freedom, spoken in an
Speaker 1: adolescent voice.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: And I like, I like that. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: It's powerful but very cinematic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And that's like, I mean, that's one of
Speaker 1: the things I keep running across with history is like, oh,
Speaker 1: we actually all live these very cinematic lives. It's just
Speaker 1: a matter of understanding what's happening and framing things. And anyway,
Speaker 1: the existing junta was falling in fast. There was another
Speaker 1: right wing counter coup, that is to say, another right
Speaker 1: wing coup top all the existing right wing coup. They
Speaker 1: started cracking down even harder on their own people. This
Speaker 1: fells apart. In nineteen seventy four, there were free elections
Speaker 1: in Greece once more. A referendum to install the monarchy
Speaker 1: failed and Greece became a republic. And the students were
Speaker 1: fucking heroes. They had destroyed a dictatorship, I mean, alongside
Speaker 1: a ton of other people. So for almost forty years
Speaker 1: there was a law that said cops weren't allowed to
Speaker 1: enter universities because people were like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe giving students defensible spaces as good for democracy because
Speaker 1: it was destroyed dictatorship. This was the nineteen eighty two
Speaker 1: academic sanctuary law. In twenty nineteen, a right wing government
Speaker 1: scrapped that law.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but exarchia centered around not centered whatever the polytechnic
Speaker 1: is in Exarchia, and this became like kind of how
Speaker 1: this neighborhood became under anarchist control. Yeah, And in the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, tens of thousands of anarchists we're living in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, drawn from around the country, and anti state,
Speaker 1: anti capitalist politics have been seen as a legitimate force
Speaker 1: in Greek society for a long time. There's also a
Speaker 1: lot of stray dogs there, not just I was.
Speaker 2: Like, when are we getting back, We're back to the dogs.
Speaker 3: Dogs, there'd be dogs, and I told this would be
Speaker 3: a happy dog episode.
Speaker 1: It is. There's going to be more. There's still more
Speaker 1: in between every big stories of its stories, the Russian
Speaker 1: Nestine Dolls of the podcast world. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stray dogs in Athens. Greece tries to vaccinate, sterilize,
Speaker 1: and track the stray dogs. They don't they don't euthanize,
Speaker 1: and they haven't had the success of the Netherlands so far,
Speaker 1: but they do actually have done a lot of work
Speaker 1: in this direction. Cool, and it's going to be a
Speaker 1: story about the dogs, but now we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about the riots that made those dogs famous.
Speaker 3: So you tease me by saying the word dog a
Speaker 3: couple times, and now we're okay.
Speaker 1: Talking about a guy again. Human. Yeah, there's molotovs. I
Speaker 1: was like, almost as good as a dog. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, but there's like there's a big gap
Speaker 1: right between molotovs and dogs, but there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff between them. You know, there's like people and
Speaker 1: they're okay, and then there's molotoss are good, and then
Speaker 1: there's like lots of dead air, and then there's dogs
Speaker 1: at the top of everything in the hierarchy of trying
Speaker 1: to get.
Speaker 2: Sophie's all right, just get on with it.
Speaker 1: There's this fifteen year old kid who likes hanging out
Speaker 1: in the streets of Xarkia named Alexandro's Grigoropolos. And on
Speaker 1: December sixth, two thousand and eight, Alexandros was hanging out
Speaker 1: in the streets with his friends when they got into
Speaker 1: a verbalttercation with the cops. The cops actually got orders
Speaker 1: from higher up to leave it alone, and the cops
Speaker 1: were like, now, fuck that, they parked, They came over,
Speaker 1: they started yelling at the kids. The kids didn't back down,
Speaker 1: and the cops murdered Alexandros. They murdered a fifteen year old.
Speaker 1: They claimed that their shot was a ricochet. The autopsy
Speaker 1: disagree it. Yeah, shocker there really, yeah, really total news
Speaker 1: to everyone. Within an hour, the riots started. Within two days,
Speaker 1: there were twenty eight cities across Greece that were on fire.
Speaker 1: Basically Athens was burning, Malthous were everywhere. The police station
Speaker 1: Outpost Nicksarkia was firebombed by a crowd of one hundred people.
Speaker 1: Students went on strike everywhere. Labor unions went on strike.
Speaker 1: Air traffic controllers shut down dozens of flights because they
Speaker 1: went on strike. And it was about Alexandro's but it
Speaker 1: was about more than that. It was about the failing economy.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight, as everyone will recall, was a
Speaker 1: really great time for everyone economically. It was about increasing
Speaker 1: financial inequality, and it was about authoritarian control of the state.
Speaker 1: It was about people's demands to live lives of self determination.
Speaker 1: So a private company that kept records of individual debt
Speaker 1: was burned. Their records were burned. Protesters shot out the
Speaker 1: tires of a police bus with AK forty seven. By
Speaker 1: the end of this even some cops went on strike
Speaker 1: and protested against this. Is this like actually surprised me.
Speaker 1: The cops went on strike and protested against the cops.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so dope.
Speaker 1: They intended to quote totally, intending to quote state categorically
Speaker 1: that social problems are not solved by repressive measures. Oh
Speaker 1: do you tell cop, Yeah, there is a line at
Speaker 1: which some cops will stop wanting to do that.
Speaker 2: Apparently this might not.
Speaker 3: Be dogs, but I've enjoying myself a little bit more
Speaker 3: and I thought it would be all right.
Speaker 1: See see, the riots lasted in full fervor for three weeks.
Speaker 1: They lingered longer after that. There's like famous photos or
Speaker 1: just like search like grease Christmas tree fire, and there's
Speaker 1: like just a massive Christmas tree that they set on fire.
Speaker 1: It's very dramatic. The police response was brutal. Isolated protesters
Speaker 1: were beaten to an inch of their lives. A friend
Speaker 1: of mine was actually curb stomped by police and Athens.
Speaker 1: I think it was during this, but it might have
Speaker 1: been during some of the protests a little bit later
Speaker 1: than that. I talked to a Greek friend about this time,
Speaker 1: and his perspective was that in the minds of the
Speaker 1: average Greek person, the anarchists were about as legitimate of
Speaker 1: a force within society as the police. Like some people
Speaker 1: supported the anarchists, some people supported the police, and the
Speaker 1: rest were like, well, both sides have a point, and
Speaker 1: that is not a situation that I have ever experienced
Speaker 1: anywhere else. A Greek woman, quoted by The Daily Beast
Speaker 1: put it quote the day we don't tear things down
Speaker 1: because the government murdered a child is the day we
Speaker 1: are no longer human? And I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: about how often people have to do that all over
Speaker 1: the world, you know, in these clouds of tear gas.
Speaker 1: Amongst the rock throwing, molotov throwing anarchists who were supported
Speaker 1: by a surprising percentage of the Greek population, a hero emerged,
Speaker 1: a hero named Canelos, the first modern riot dog.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
Speaker 1: And because every story is really complicated, it might have
Speaker 1: been to as Heyday was before this. There's lots of
Speaker 1: conflicting reports about exactly when he first showed up. But
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Speaker 1: In all the pictures of all the black Cloud protesters
Speaker 1: with rocks and molotovs, they had a friend, a medium
Speaker 1: sized yellow dog of indeterminable breed. It's always a mutt, baby,
Speaker 1: always a mutt. There he was barking at cops. There
Speaker 1: he was posing with the anarchists. Canelos. Canelos was a mutt,
Speaker 1: of course, he was a mutt. No offense to dogs
Speaker 1: that had the misfortune of being pure bread. It's not
Speaker 1: their fault. But of course the first ride dog is
Speaker 1: a mutt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: His medium size and yellow and his name his name
Speaker 1: means cinnamon.
Speaker 2: Oh cool.
Speaker 1: And he was on the front lines of every protest
Speaker 1: for years. One time he tripped cops as they ran
Speaker 1: down the steps of Syntagma Square, just like the main Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah. He was legendary. He was in papers
Speaker 1: across the world. He was inspiring and an icon. He
Speaker 1: was also a way that journalists used to like flatten
Speaker 1: the struggle right, because they'd be like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Greeks are rioting. Here's a dog that is not his fault.
Speaker 1: It's not fault that he was also adorable, I know,
Speaker 1: I know. Like every legend, it's hard to peace out
Speaker 1: what's true and what's not. There are three famed and
Speaker 1: named riot dogs from Greece from the twenty eight or
Speaker 1: twenty twelve and possibly earlier than that, and they all
Speaker 1: look really similar. Sometimes people claim they are related, Sometimes
Speaker 1: people claim they are the same dog. Sometimes the heroic
Speaker 1: deeds of one are conflated with the deeds of another.
Speaker 1: I'm certain I will get some stuff wrong here across
Speaker 1: and every source I could they all disagree and they're
Speaker 1: all anecdotal. It's possible that Canelos actually died in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight before these particular protests, and it was
Speaker 1: one of his other yellow dogs that was these ones.
Speaker 1: But all these dogs were loved, and all these dogs
Speaker 1: fought hard, and we're going to talk about how they fought.
Speaker 1: Canelos he ruled. He gave people hope, and he basically
Speaker 1: was like, hey, the street dogs are street dogs are
Speaker 1: with you. As he aged, he started to get arthritis,
Speaker 1: and student protesters got him a wheelchair for his back
Speaker 1: legs and then helped him along for more marches. There's
Speaker 1: photos of him like being helped along on these marches,
Speaker 1: and he's just happy and old. He retired and lived
Speaker 1: inside the Polytechnic, the university that brought down the fucking dictatorship.
Speaker 1: At one point, the dog catcher was called on him
Speaker 1: and the students were vaulted until he was freed good
Speaker 1: and he lived among the students until his death at
Speaker 1: roughly seventeen years old. Next to Rise, Yeah, next to
Speaker 1: Rise in fame Leucanicos, who is sometimes said to be
Speaker 1: Canelos's kid. That might be true, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: street dogs are often sterilized in Greece, and I think
Speaker 1: Lucanicos at least was sterilized based on it did a
Speaker 1: lot of weird research. I was like reading the pieces
Speaker 1: written by the people who handle the stray dogs in Greece,
Speaker 1: as I was trying to figureut which dogs are which
Speaker 1: Lucanicos is the next generation famed riot dog and since
Speaker 1: this is Greece, the next generation of riots is less
Speaker 1: than three years later.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In twenty ten, the Greek economy was fucked, so it's
Speaker 1: leaders were like, hey, what if we got the International
Speaker 1: Monetary Fund to bail us out in exchange agree to
Speaker 1: all kinds of austerity measures that entirely fuck over everyone
Speaker 1: living in the country. And the other leaders they all
Speaker 1: nodded their heads and were like, this is indeed a
Speaker 1: wise course of action, and not only will it be good,
Speaker 1: but people will accept it all right. Shockingly, they were wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Greek population was like, actually, we like having a
Speaker 1: social safety net and a society that believes in taking
Speaker 1: care of one another instead of all pretending like we
Speaker 1: want to be America but poor and fuck each other
Speaker 1: over all the time, people saw no reason why they
Speaker 1: had to pay for unpopular and bad decisions made by
Speaker 1: their leaders, and they had no interest in going along
Speaker 1: with these austerity measures. So you've got what's called the
Speaker 1: anti Asterity movement, and it was riots and general strikes
Speaker 1: starting in a militant fashion. In June twenty eleven, when
Speaker 1: the Greek Parliament voted to agree to the austerity stuff.
Speaker 1: The protests started out kind of peaceful. Cops were soon like,
Speaker 1: fuck you get the fucking line, We're going to hit
Speaker 1: you and poison you and fuck you up. So people
Speaker 1: were like, I'm doing a lot of paraphrasing here. These
Speaker 1: are not direct quotes. People were like, wow, I don't
Speaker 1: want to get in line. And also, it turns out
Speaker 1: you can make them all tough cocktail pretty easily. All
Speaker 1: you got to do is take a bottle and then
Speaker 1: and where there are clouds of tear gas, where there
Speaker 1: are armies of RoboCop right police marching in uniform is
Speaker 1: a show that I wrote this while I was like
Speaker 1: kind of excited and just like reading about this with
Speaker 1: my dog in my lap. Where there are rock throwing anarchists,
Speaker 1: there are riot dogs. Where there are protesters to be
Speaker 1: protected and cheered up, there's leucanicos barking at cops. His
Speaker 1: name means sausage. I like wonutiful. I know, okay. According
Speaker 1: to a Greek person's comment quote that I just found
Speaker 1: on a random article, because this is the only piece
Speaker 1: that I found of anything anecdotal about this part of
Speaker 1: it quote. Initially, Leucanicos would go to the demos with
Speaker 1: the left wing student group EAAK, and it was only
Speaker 1: later that he changed his political preferences and went to
Speaker 1: demos with the anarchists. On another note, I am under
Speaker 1: the impression that dogs are not affected by tear gas,
Speaker 1: though one would expect them to be. I could not
Speaker 1: justify this claim scientifically, but only from experience. Neither Leucanicos,
Speaker 1: nor Canelos, nor any of the other dogs that joined
Speaker 1: riots in Greece ever show any kind of effect from
Speaker 1: the tons of tear gas that the cops constantly threw
Speaker 1: at us. So I looked it up. It turns out
Speaker 1: you can justify this claim scientifically. Most sites are like Oh,
Speaker 1: dogs have more sensitive senses of smell, so they're affected more.
Speaker 1: But this is not based on experience or study. The
Speaker 1: opposite is true. You want to guess what group has
Speaker 1: done the most research about tear gas and dogs without
Speaker 1: reading ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at the ceiling. Probably the people that
Speaker 3: use the tear gas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, the bad guy team, the CANA and police unit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they want to be able to work in cs gas
Speaker 1: tear gas environments, so they test.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me they tested tear gas on dogs
Speaker 3: to see how it would affect them and didn't think about,
Speaker 3: you know, the negative impacts of that.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 1: That is what I'm telling you, fucking.
Speaker 2: Cops acap geez christ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But both the anecdotal experience of protesters and the
Speaker 1: scientific study of putting dogs into tear gas chambers reveals
Speaker 1: that dogs are not particularly affected by tear gas, not
Speaker 1: to the same degree that humans are, because dogs are better. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's the big part of it. Dogs have tear ducks
Speaker 1: that are like ten times the size of human tear
Speaker 1: ducks because they they have ten times as many emotions
Speaker 1: and not just in proportion to their body. Are the
Speaker 1: tear ducks bigger, but like literally objectively size, right, So
Speaker 1: they flush tear gas way the fuck faster, or lachrymatory
Speaker 1: agents way the fuck faster, including pepper spray. They've also
Speaker 1: got what's called a nictating nictating membrane or a third eyelid.
Speaker 1: That that's what most people call it because it's easier
Speaker 1: to spell and pronounce that hangs out on the inside
Speaker 1: corner of their eye. It's very effective at protecting their
Speaker 1: eyes and spreading tears across their eyes. They also don't
Speaker 1: have sweat glands, so they don't absorb the chemicals and
Speaker 1: many in as many places, there are long term health effects.
Speaker 1: You should not intentionally expose your dog to tear gas.
Speaker 1: Looking at you canine units. You should just let all
Speaker 1: your dogs tire yep, Lucanicos, and then you should yourself retire. Actually,
Speaker 1: Lucanicos won even more hearts around the world than his
Speaker 1: maybe dad did. In twenty eleven, he was nominated for times.
Speaker 2: I remember that the only time.
Speaker 3: Bro was like fuck, yeah, yeah, totally rooting for you.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because they had already changed it from
Speaker 1: Man of the Year to Person of the Year, you know,
Speaker 1: and so like I just like the yeah. And then
Speaker 1: one time when cops went on strike, and this might
Speaker 1: have been the two thousand and nine time, and it
Speaker 1: might have been a twenty eleven time, and I do
Speaker 1: not know, but it was presented as Lucanicos doing it,
Speaker 1: so it might have been. There were cops on both
Speaker 1: sides of the protests and Lucanicos didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: But then the non striking cops started beating up the
Speaker 1: striking cops and he sided with the cops who were
Speaker 1: on strike.
Speaker 2: Of course he did, because he's a good boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was another dog named the Doris, or maybe
Speaker 1: they're the same dog. The people who tracks stray dogs
Speaker 1: in Athens say it's the same dogs. Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it means like Theodore.
Speaker 2: I think it's just age.
Speaker 1: Yeah there was a trend, no I I yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there's there's shockingly like when we talk to some of
Speaker 1: the when we talk about some of the other South
Speaker 1: American riot dogs in a little bit very different naming conventions.
Speaker 1: So Theodorus might have been Lucanicos might not have been
Speaker 1: all the whatever, they're all great because also these are
Speaker 1: just the name dogs. There's like fuck tons of dogs
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff, and they're just like always there
Speaker 1: and they're always helping people out. And Lucanicos was the
Speaker 1: people's dog for much of his life. He had a
Speaker 1: collar with his vaccination status that was given to him
Speaker 1: by the stray dog people, and he was welcome at
Speaker 1: every squat and organizing center in the city. But he
Speaker 1: didn't stay put. He would hoop around from one place
Speaker 1: to another. He basically couchsurf across the movement. And in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, after a year on the front lines of
Speaker 1: this particular protest, possibly longer depending on whatever whatever, in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve he was adopted more formally by a guy
Speaker 1: and given a loving home. He had food, water, tick collars,
Speaker 1: veterinary care, and safety, and he lived another two years
Speaker 1: and he died peacefully in his sleep in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: He was buried in the shade of a tree on
Speaker 1: a hill in the center of Athens, and he died
Speaker 1: at about ten years of age. And the reason he
Speaker 1: died young is probably the veterinary. Report says that it
Speaker 1: was in part due to all the tear gass he'd
Speaker 1: ingested over the years. There's a bunch of monuments and
Speaker 1: murals in his honor. He's a character in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty video game Tonight We Riot Cool. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: started off this episode as kind of a cute like
Speaker 1: look its dogs being cool, but honestly, like the more
Speaker 1: I was like writing about it, reading about it and
Speaker 1: all that. Like, Lucanicos is as much our comrade as anyone.
Speaker 1: He worked tirelessly to keep people safe and keep people's
Speaker 1: spirits lifted. And like everyone, he hated cops and he
Speaker 1: sacrifices health to keep people safe. Long live Lucanicos.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Want to take a quick detour to the next country
Speaker 1: over to Turkey. Turkey doesn't give us.
Speaker 2: I got to talk about humans now.
Speaker 1: No, very little, maybe a little bit. I'm sorry. The
Speaker 1: humans provide the context that all the dogs live in.
Speaker 2: Yeah yet no, no, fair enough.
Speaker 1: Turkey doesn't give us any named personalities of riot dogs,
Speaker 1: at least not that have made it to the Western media.
Speaker 1: But it has a beautiful story, which is that there
Speaker 1: the struggle goes both ways. The dogs fight for the
Speaker 1: people and the people fight for the dogs. Because in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, Turkey passed a law against euthanizing strays,
Speaker 1: joining the parts of the world that actually took this
Speaker 1: problem seriously. I'm tried and failing to keep my opinion
Speaker 1: out of this issue. The government keeps trying to go
Speaker 1: back to euthanasia, and people keep saying like, no, fuck you,
Speaker 1: we are not going back to this. And it was
Speaker 1: this oh fuck no attitude that got the two thousand
Speaker 1: and four law passed in the first place, and whenever
Speaker 1: municipalities do it anyway, people get real fucking upset at them.
Speaker 1: But there's unlike Germany and the Netherlands, there's a ton
Speaker 1: of stray dogs in Turkey. They're generally not seen as
Speaker 1: a problem. A recent survey says that about a third
Speaker 1: of the population sees them as a threat. While there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of organizations that sterilize and release strays, they
Speaker 1: put ear tags on them to mark them. There aren't
Speaker 1: enough of these programs yet, and pets can still be
Speaker 1: bought in stores, so a lot of people buy them
Speaker 1: and then abandon them. But on the other hand, there's
Speaker 1: a ton of cafes and such that care for the animals,
Speaker 1: and there's a bit of an attitude. There's more of
Speaker 1: an attitude of like, these are our dogs than is
Speaker 1: commonly found in more western countries. So people fight for
Speaker 1: the dogs. And then in twenty thirteen, like as they should. Yeah, no, totally, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all of the stuff of like oh we took care
Speaker 1: of these dogs who took care of us on the streets,
Speaker 1: like they make me really happy. So in twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: you've got the Gezi Park protests. There's a park in
Speaker 1: Istanbul called Toxin Gezi Park, and in twenty thirteen the
Speaker 1: government was like, what if this was a shopping mall
Speaker 1: instead of a park, And the people of Vistabul were like,
Speaker 1: what if the fuck it was not? So it started
Speaker 1: with people occupying the park to prevent development. For two
Speaker 1: weeks they occupied the place, and then it spread all
Speaker 1: over Turkey. Like all major movements, it was about a
Speaker 1: lot of things. It was about the park, it was
Speaker 1: about public space. It was about free speech and assembly,
Speaker 1: about having spaces not be just about places you buy
Speaker 1: and sell shit. It was also about fuck ertigan and authoritarianism.
Speaker 1: It was also about environmentalism. And then I really like
Speaker 1: this part. The government called them all looters. So the
Speaker 1: protesters rather than be like, we're not looters, we're the
Speaker 1: good protesters unlike the bad protesters. Just all of the
Speaker 1: protesters were like, yeah, we're looters. That's the name, that's
Speaker 1: that's the word for us. The word is louter cool. Eventually,
Speaker 1: the moment passed. Urdigan is still in power, but Guzie
Speaker 1: Park is still there. It did not become a mall.
Speaker 1: And the dogs who lived in the park were part
Speaker 1: of the protest, and all the dogs who were around
Speaker 1: the surrounding area, and they were showing up as riot dogs,
Speaker 1: and they were, you know, defending people and fighting back
Speaker 1: against the police. And there were also pets would come
Speaker 1: out and they'd have signs around their necks and stuff,
Speaker 1: and they would have like signs that say things like
Speaker 1: close the park and I'll shit in the mall. Cops
Speaker 1: were particularly brutal to the dogs in these protests, leaving
Speaker 1: us with photos of people washing pepper spray out of
Speaker 1: some good boy's eyes. And the news wants you to
Speaker 1: believe that these dogs were there because of the commotion,
Speaker 1: that they weren't there to defend the park, but this
Speaker 1: was their home. Militarized police came in and the dogs
Speaker 1: joined people fighting back against police coming into their home.
Speaker 1: I think all of them are good pups.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if there's one thing dogs are gonna do,
Speaker 3: it's gonna protect their territory.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and the people who care for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And finally, we're gonna talk about the most famous riot
Speaker 1: dog of the mall, who has the coolest name. But first,
Speaker 1: but first, when I what is my dog like? When
Speaker 1: I'm driving my dog around in my giant truck, I
Speaker 1: have a little like folding dog crate that he doesn't
Speaker 1: stay in, but the entire backseat I put the crate
Speaker 1: in so he has a place to lie down and
Speaker 1: feel safe. And then also while he's laying down, it's
Speaker 1: like safer if I get into an accident or whatever.
Speaker 1: I really like my travel crate. I have no idea
Speaker 1: the brand.
Speaker 2: I have one as well in my car.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Anderson is like a soft thing. She can go
Speaker 3: in there if she wants to. She doesn't have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If I'm on the freeway, I always zip it up.
Speaker 3: It's very safe. It's buckled in. M nice, drive safely
Speaker 3: with your own Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then these other ads, and we're back and we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about El Negro Matapolcos fuck yeah, the
Speaker 1: Black cop killer, sometimes just El Negro the Black, which
Speaker 1: means that I get to talk about the Argentinians student Uprising,
Speaker 1: as is my way of getting everyone to hear about
Speaker 1: all these protest movements. Context context, the Argentinian student uprising
Speaker 1: of twenty eleven to twenty thirteen, sometimes called the Chilean
Speaker 1: Winter because most of it happened in the first winter.
Speaker 1: And I always talk about these huge protest movements and
Speaker 1: uprisings from fifty one hundred, two hundred years ago, but
Speaker 1: it's worth remembering these happen all the time. I'm sure
Speaker 1: another one is coming. You can just wait or not wait,
Speaker 1: whatever float your boat. In Chile, most education is privatized,
Speaker 1: and it was getting more so. Tuition was going up.
Speaker 1: The rich, we're getting good educations. The poor, we're not
Speaker 1: getting good educations. People didn't like this. It turns out
Speaker 1: people don't like when that happens. The uprising was also
Speaker 1: about economic inequality, lack of opportunities for people to lead
Speaker 1: dignified lives, and the protests led to hundreds of injured protesters,
Speaker 1: hundreds of injured police officers, and one dead student, and
Speaker 1: once again in the tear gas, a hero arrived, a
Speaker 1: medium sized black mutt, always a mutt with floppy ears
Speaker 1: and a red bandana and an unwavering commitments of justice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I actually I have more details about him than
Speaker 1: any of the others.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Mattapacos wasn't actually a stray dog, not really sort of
Speaker 1: half stray. He was a stray who mostly stayed with
Speaker 1: a woman named Maria compos who took him in and
Speaker 1: kept a bed for him and fed him, but let
Speaker 1: him come and go whenever he wanted. And she basically like,
Speaker 1: one day fed this stray and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it here, I'll stay here. At first, she
Speaker 1: gave him a cape that he wore, but after he
Speaker 1: came home soaked by a police water cannon, she switched
Speaker 1: to a bandana, and sometimes it was red and sometimes
Speaker 1: it was blue. She'd change it up on different days
Speaker 1: whenever a protest would pop off. There's like, there's a
Speaker 1: video of her talking about this. Whenever a protest would
Speaker 1: pop off, he'd scratch at the door, desperate to go
Speaker 1: out and get into the fray. So Maria would bless him,
Speaker 1: drawing a cross on his head with her thumb to
Speaker 1: protect him from evil in danger. Then open the door
Speaker 1: and he'd go running downtown to the protests. I think
Speaker 1: she lived near downtown, but sometimes he took the bus
Speaker 1: by himself. I think I've seen video footage of him
Speaker 1: on a bus and he's not with anyone.
Speaker 3: That's actually, uh, there's several dogs that have done that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, it's so cute. Yeah. One day Maria was
Speaker 1: like randomly downtown and saw her own dog leading a
Speaker 1: march of students on the next street over or whatever.
Speaker 1: Students referred to him as a reincarnated student. And a
Speaker 1: lot of mythologizing has been done around Motapacos. And it's
Speaker 1: beautiful because it's less as compared to poor Lucanicos, where
Speaker 1: it got flattened in the media and other countries. This
Speaker 1: this feels like it was like mythbuilding by movements. And
Speaker 1: also I mean whatever, it's all all these things. Okay,
Speaker 1: So a lot of dogs would march with the students,
Speaker 1: they would attack police, they would defend students. In a
Speaker 1: short documentary about Motopacos, the filmmaker asks some students, have
Speaker 1: you ever seen a dog defend the police? The students reply, no,
Speaker 1: not even those who walk with them.
Speaker 2: Ha ha.
Speaker 1: And in a material sense, the dogs, often dozens at
Speaker 1: a time, offer these protests a lot of things. They're
Speaker 1: unafraid of chemical weapons and fire hoses. They would like
Speaker 1: literally like Rentro would totally do this. They basically play
Speaker 1: with the fire hose water. You know. They're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that water, you know. And yeah, they
Speaker 1: form a physical buffer in front of protest sometimes, so
Speaker 1: there's footage of water hose tanks on the tanks, like
Speaker 1: not tanks of water, but you know, big things on
Speaker 1: wheels whatever. Yeah, unable to advance because they can't effectively
Speaker 1: clear the dogs off the street. They also serve as icons,
Speaker 1: and I mean that in the religious sense when the
Speaker 1: while the church during these protests was up there with
Speaker 1: the state and the police is one of the major
Speaker 1: repressive forces that people are fighting against. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: essentially canonized in a folk Catholic way, right, you have people,
Speaker 1: you know, doing the blessings and all that stuff, and
Speaker 1: there's images of him with a halo, and he just
Speaker 1: became a living symbol of revolt. Him and the other
Speaker 1: dogs street dogs defending the streets from those who tried
Speaker 1: to deny it. Since street dogs they're defending the streets
Speaker 1: from those who try to like deny the streets to
Speaker 1: the people, they become this like clear example of downtrodden
Speaker 1: fighting back and just being like, no, we've got this,
Speaker 1: We're doing this together. And he was not so soon.
Speaker 1: Matapacos was not the only dog with a bandana tight
Speaker 1: around its neck. Basically, everyone like started going around and
Speaker 1: giving all the riot dogs bandanas, and it became the
Speaker 1: symbol of it. There's a twenty thirteen documentary about him
Speaker 1: called Matapaco that's on YouTube and as English subtitles. If
Speaker 1: your Spanish is as bad as mine, and he's just
Speaker 1: he's really fucking cool. He he survives all of this.
Speaker 1: He is a dog, so he doesn't live as long
Speaker 1: as people. El Negro Motapacos died peacefully on Saturday August
Speaker 1: twenty sixth, twenty seventeen. He was maybe sixteen or seventeen
Speaker 1: years old. I've also seen twelve, but most of the
Speaker 1: time I see sixteen or seventeen.
Speaker 3: I'll never forgive whoever made that decision to make dogs
Speaker 3: lives so short.
Speaker 1: That is fair. I it is an unforgivable thing that
Speaker 1: has been done.
Speaker 2: Whatever whoever decided that, fuck you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he was surrounded by his loved ones and
Speaker 1: there are uncountable murals carrying him on. And as for
Speaker 1: the protests itself, I don't think it's accurate to talk
Speaker 1: about protests movements like winning and losing. The student movement
Speaker 1: didn't win its demands, it laid the groundwork for another
Speaker 1: uprising in twenty nineteen. But it's better to just see
Speaker 1: history as this ebb and flow of energy and power,
Speaker 1: a fight between liberation and repression. We win by being
Speaker 1: on the side of liberation, of education, of workers' rights,
Speaker 1: of dignity, of helping out the street dogs. And in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, two years after his death, the black Cop
Speaker 1: Killer became a symbol once more as the country sprung
Speaker 1: into revolt. A black dog with a red bandana is
Speaker 1: now the symbol of revolt for much of the world.
Speaker 1: Statues of dog.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, like, people probably don't even
Speaker 3: realize that that this image is super popular. You probably
Speaker 3: don't even realize you've seen it. But it's it's everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's dope. Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 1: I really like people will go up to statues of dogs,
Speaker 1: like any random statue of a dog in a public place,
Speaker 1: entire red bandana around its neck. Yeah, and red bandanas
Speaker 1: we've talked about before on the show as a symbol
Speaker 1: of going back at least as far as the Battle
Speaker 1: of Blair Mountain in West Virginia, which you can listen
Speaker 1: to our episode from last year about when black and
Speaker 1: white miners tied red bandanas around their necks and went
Speaker 1: to a literal war against the coal companies that were
Speaker 1: murdering them. And this might be and might not be
Speaker 1: the origin of the term redneck. And so I like
Speaker 1: this continuation of the red bandana as a symbol in
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty protests. He've got two
Speaker 1: more named riot dogs that come up Pepe Matapacos and Elvakita,
Speaker 1: which means the little cow. El Waqita won the twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen Character of the Year award in his city of Antofagasta.
Speaker 1: I suspect it was a person of the year until Elakita.
Speaker 1: You know that's so cool. Yeah, And protesters had his
Speaker 1: back as well. A little cow. One time he got
Speaker 1: lost in a neighborhood and he didn't know he didn't
Speaker 1: know this particular neighborhoo after a particularly tough fight with
Speaker 1: the police, so protesters used Facebook to coordinate a rescue
Speaker 1: of him, and then someone walked him back to the
Speaker 1: streets he did know, so that he could find his
Speaker 1: way home and when cops he survives this when cops
Speaker 1: shot him with a rubber bullet. Protesters get him, get
Speaker 1: him to the vet, because we keep us safe includes animals.
Speaker 1: And there's one more. There's one more. Yes, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about another stire dog.
Speaker 2: This one.
Speaker 1: This one's a goat, but still an honorary dog. Biquette
Speaker 1: the grind were.
Speaker 3: Saying the greatest of all time, and then I was like,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: No, she means like a yeah, yeah, no, a literal goat.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, totally when in doubt I am not
Speaker 1: successfully using contemporary slang.
Speaker 3: Is That's why I was like confused for a second.
Speaker 3: I was like, like, don't think that we're getting into
Speaker 3: Lebron James today.
Speaker 1: So yeah, who I'm aware of as a player of basketball,
Speaker 1: Hell yeah you are, probably because of you. So yep.
Speaker 1: Biquett the grindcore goat. Biquett was a goat who loved grindcore,
Speaker 1: thus the grindcore goat. Grindcore is this really extreme punk
Speaker 1: metal genre. It goes really fast, the songs are like
Speaker 1: really short, and people scream about stuff. The anarchist band
Speaker 1: Napalm Death is probably the most famous band that played grindcore.
Speaker 1: They're in the Guinness Book World Records for the shortest
Speaker 1: song ever recorded. You Suffer is one point three to
Speaker 1: one six seconds long, so not very long songs. Biquett
Speaker 1: lived on a punk rock farm. Have you ever seen
Speaker 1: the video the photos of this m m oh, you
Speaker 1: should look up Biquett b I q U E T
Speaker 1: t E. Yeah.
Speaker 3: This fucking goat is so metal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Biquett lived on everyone at home. If you're if
Speaker 1: you're not out doing a thing, you should if you
Speaker 1: haven't already seen his images. Biquette lived on a punk
Speaker 1: rock farm. And I can't pronounce French words, and I
Speaker 1: try hard, less harder than other countries for some reason
Speaker 1: in Mariok, France and this farm through shows, and she
Speaker 1: hung out with every band that toured, and she was
Speaker 1: always in the audience at every show, and pictures of
Speaker 1: her go viral every now and then. And the name
Speaker 1: Bequtt the goat translates to goat the goat because Biquett
Speaker 1: means a young female goat. The punks at Mariok rescued
Speaker 1: her from a slaughterhouse when she was five years old. Basically,
Speaker 1: she'd been a milk goat. When she stopped producing enough,
Speaker 1: she was going to get sent to the slaughter, but
Speaker 1: then the punks were like, give her to us instead,
Speaker 1: and she spent the next and last five years of
Speaker 1: her life listening to punk sleeping in front of speakers,
Speaker 1: trying to eat everyone's cigarette butts and drink everyone's half
Speaker 1: empty beers, and basically living her best life. One of
Speaker 1: the people on the farm named Flow said about her quote,
Speaker 1: she was most connected to grind seen as the barn
Speaker 1: floor where we throw the concerts. As wooden, I think
Speaker 1: think that she felt the vibrations in her hoofs the
Speaker 1: majority of the time. She even laid down next to
Speaker 1: the speakers. She died young on December ninth, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: A goat can live fifteen years easily, but she died
Speaker 1: at ten years old. However, she got to live five
Speaker 1: years as the punk rock goat instead of dying at five,
Speaker 1: which is what her actual fate would have been if
Speaker 1: the punks hadn't intervened. And there are many, many more,
Speaker 1: very good dogs of many different species. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'll return to this topic in the future, but for now,
Speaker 1: go hug a dog, including cat dogs and goat dogs
Speaker 1: and parrot dogs, don't hug bears or wolves. They're not dogs.
Speaker 1: They're great too, but they don't need your hugs unless
Speaker 1: you work at a wildlife sanctuary or some shit. That's
Speaker 1: what I got. So I got about good dogs. I
Speaker 1: love this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what to do this week, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm doing dogs. Yeah, dog time.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 3: It's good doggo time, which is you know, every day
Speaker 3: at my house. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Do you have
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