WEBVTT - Part Two: Riot Dogs Are Very Good Dogs

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Cool Dogs. Who did Dog Stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>You like what I did?

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<v Speaker 2>I love that the change the title who Loved the Dogs?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, yep, now yeah those are your one point

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<v Speaker 1>five times you're allowed. So I'm your host. Margaret Kildre

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<v Speaker 1>with me today as both my guest and producer, but

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<v Speaker 1>not my guest producer because that's a different term for

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<v Speaker 1>a different media medium. Is Sophie.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Sophie, I see what you did there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, that was nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sophie is best known as a producer of podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>but also probably almost equally known as someone who likes dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, equally hard for how beautiful my dog? Anderson shout

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<v Speaker 3>out Anderson for being a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Anderson's amazing. Ian is our audio engineer and our theme

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<v Speaker 1>music was written for us by unwoman.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not gonna try to spell that this this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I could try to do it so I

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<v Speaker 1>could get it right this time. I swear I write

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<v Speaker 1>for a living you and wo M A N crushed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell Yeah. This week we're talking about dogs. This is

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<v Speaker 1>part two. In part one, we talked about the bummer

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is a pun because bumber was then Oh that's perfect, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. We talked to the domestication of dogs. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked about why dogs and humans belong together and why

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<v Speaker 1>mass euthanasia is not the most effective thing that's ever

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<v Speaker 1>happened in terms of fixing some of the problems between

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<v Speaker 1>humans and dogs. Today, we're gonna talk about riot dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are we starting.

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<v Speaker 1>We're starting in Greece. Did you read ahead. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a neighborhood in Athens called Exarchia. I really like Athens

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<v Speaker 1>because there's an Athens in every fucking state. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is the og Athens Athens, Greece, they have a neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>They neighborhood's called Exarchia. It is the anarchist neighborhood. Is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the only ways you will find the word

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<v Speaker 1>anarchist in mainstream newspapers, honestly, is if they talk about Exarchia,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of can't. That's how anarchist it is. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't not say it. There's all these jokes in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty about anarchist jurisdictions. Actually they weren't jokes. There's all

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<v Speaker 1>these strange accusations made about why the government should kill

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in various cities in the United States for being

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<v Speaker 1>anarchist jurisdictions. But exarchia anarchists present about as much political

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<v Speaker 1>power as the actual government does, and that balance goes

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth all the time. Right now, Airbnb is

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<v Speaker 1>fucking it up, and I haven't entirely kept up with

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<v Speaker 1>how things have changed in the ten years or so

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<v Speaker 1>since I've been there. But there are or were dozens

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<v Speaker 1>of squattish social centers. These are huge buildings. Anarchists there

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<v Speaker 1>house refugees and immigrants and physically stop any attempts by

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<v Speaker 1>police to deport those immigrants. They run pay what you

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<v Speaker 1>want cafes. They have open air movie screenings, health clinics,

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<v Speaker 1>and language classes for migrants. Even the restaurants you have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for often give out free food during the

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<v Speaker 1>general strikes. Greece loves a good general strike, and because well,

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<v Speaker 1>it means literally the birthplace of rule by the people,

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<v Speaker 1>so they like finding out ways to do that. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a large squatted park there called Navarino's Park that

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<v Speaker 1>is run by anarchists. Tourist guides say a self managed

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<v Speaker 1>park run by locals, which is technically true.

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<v Speaker 3>What a great spin on that, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was built in two thousand and nine when folks

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<v Speaker 1>just smashed up the concrete and planted flowers and trees

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<v Speaker 1>because they were like, you know what would be better

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<v Speaker 1>than another building is if this was a park, we

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<v Speaker 1>can just do that. And the rules of the park

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<v Speaker 1>are be respectful and clean most of the time. In practice,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets a little trashed during the week and then

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<v Speaker 1>every Sunday volunteers come to the park and clean it up.

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<v Speaker 1>In garden. Police tend to only come into Asarchia in

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<v Speaker 1>large numbers because when they do they're often met with

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<v Speaker 1>molotovs and rocks. People try to solve problems through self organizing.

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<v Speaker 1>While I was there, I went to the weirdest anarchist

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<v Speaker 1>demonstration I've ever been to, which was the most like

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<v Speaker 1>the anarchists are in Charge demonstration. Yeah, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>reclaim the streets demonstration. Normally, a reclaim the streets demonstration

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<v Speaker 1>is when you reclaim the streets from like government and

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<v Speaker 1>capitalism by having a big parade. This time it was

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<v Speaker 1>a demonstration led by anarchists of all ages to reclaim

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<v Speaker 1>the streets as public space to be shared by all.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there's a problem with some of the younger punks

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<v Speaker 1>in the neighborhood were harassing older people, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>anarchists through it, like leave the old folks alone, new assholes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was beautiful and it was just and the way

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<v Speaker 1>they did that wasn't They showed up and like we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to fuck up any of the young punks. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they just like showed up with like food and shit,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like, look, the streets belong to all

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<v Speaker 1>of us. We are all part of this neighborhood. We

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<v Speaker 1>all live here together, like.

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<v Speaker 3>A real community, real mutual aid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. Controversially from a US perspective where we

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<v Speaker 1>have the war on drugs, they also drove out the

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<v Speaker 1>heroin dealers, who are seen as a scourge and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is argued that currently the dealers are coming

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<v Speaker 1>back with police assistants, and I don't know the actual

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism of that. As an article in The Daily Beast

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<v Speaker 1>put it, the freedom and ease of life in Exarchia

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<v Speaker 1>is preserved by the constant and immediate will to set

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<v Speaker 1>shit on fire, throw tear gas canisters back at the police,

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<v Speaker 1>maintain esthetic control of the neighborhood, and use petrol bombs

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<v Speaker 1>to remind everyone. The place is not for sale. It

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<v Speaker 1>has been under anarchist control for about half a century,

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<v Speaker 1>as far back as far as I can piece together. Literally,

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming up on its fiftieth anniversary. Because in order

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about stray dogs, we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Greek military junta.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll love context.

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I love it so much because from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven to nineteen seventy four, Greece was ruled by

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<v Speaker 1>what's called the Greek Kunta, or more poetically, the regime

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<v Speaker 1>of the Colonels. Just a right wing military dictatorship. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it probably goes back even further. It goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil War nineteen forty four, when Greece was liberated

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<v Speaker 1>from the Axis Powers. Was a civil war between the

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<v Speaker 1>communists and the government's and exile. The communists lost. The

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<v Speaker 1>right and the left had been really polarized in Greece

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<v Speaker 1>ever since, maybe since before then, but that's as far

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<v Speaker 1>back as I traced it. In nineteen sixty seven, the

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<v Speaker 1>right wing staged a coup. In nineteen sixty eight, a

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<v Speaker 1>centrist guy tried to assassinate the military leader, but he

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<v Speaker 1>sadly failed. There were large demonstrations, but nothing that really

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<v Speaker 1>shook the dictatorship to the core until nineteen seventy three.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen seventy three, a fuck ton of people were like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you just serious? Are you serious? We have a dictatorship?

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck this an entire battleship. The H and S Velos mutinied.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally the commander was part of the mutiny. Know that

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<v Speaker 1>I could still kind as a mutiny, but I guess

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<v Speaker 1>if the entire ship mutinies against the higher naval thing right,

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<v Speaker 1>they refused to return to Greece. Meanwhile, the students are

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<v Speaker 1>fighting against conscription. In nineteen seventy three, students barricaded themselves

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<v Speaker 1>into the University of Athens. This is in February, the

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<v Speaker 1>first one of these, and the cops were brutal, they

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<v Speaker 1>tortured people, they did all that stuff. This didn't stop

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<v Speaker 1>the students overall. It probably stopped individual students because of

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<v Speaker 1>the death and the torture. In November, students at the

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<v Speaker 1>Athens Polytechnic, a university in Exarchia, they went on strike

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<v Speaker 1>and their motto was bred education and liberty. Forty years later,

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<v Speaker 1>I was inside the Polytechnic while students were preparing for

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<v Speaker 1>another demonstration, and I saw one of my favorite pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of graffiti ever, which translates to anarchy and stale bread,

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<v Speaker 1>with the argument like subtextas I could live off of

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<v Speaker 1>only anarchy and stale bread.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd also love bread. Education at liberty, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy three, the students took over the university,

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<v Speaker 1>and the two big political groups in the university, the

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<v Speaker 1>two leftist groups, including the Soviet Aligne Marxists, were like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't endorse this because they're trying to keep their

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<v Speaker 1>heads down because the whole point of the military junta

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<v Speaker 1>was to like crush communism, and so the Marxists are like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh fuck, oh fuck, and the rest of the students

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<v Speaker 1>were like, all right, Soviet stands, stay the fuck out

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<v Speaker 1>of our way. And so they barricaded the place and

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<v Speaker 1>they held the cops off for a night and the

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<v Speaker 1>second day and this is some shit out of a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>I fucking swear is now what's called celebration day. Thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of people showed up to support them, and it I

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<v Speaker 1>believe this is like basically like when the protests really

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<v Speaker 1>got large against this dictatorship, a radio tower inside the

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<v Speaker 1>occupied university that they cobbled together like literally out of

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<v Speaker 1>like the thing I read was translated was like out

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<v Speaker 1>of pieces from the lab, like the science lab. They

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<v Speaker 1>just fucking put together radio tower and they started spitting

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<v Speaker 1>out demands for freedom, and for the first time, molotods

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<v Speaker 1>started showing up at protests in Athens, and the junta

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<v Speaker 1>freaked out. They declared martial law, which they had like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I think walked back a little bit because

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<v Speaker 1>they'd been around for a little bit. They drove a

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<v Speaker 1>tank through the gates of the university. Twenty four people

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<v Speaker 1>were killed. And this is the part of this is

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<v Speaker 1>like the last words heard from the occupied radio station

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<v Speaker 1>before it went dead were hail freedom, spoken in an

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<v Speaker 1>adolescent voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>And I like, I like that. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's powerful but very cinematic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally. And that's like, I mean, that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things I keep running across with history is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we actually all live these very cinematic lives. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of understanding what's happening and framing things. And anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the existing junta was falling in fast. There was another

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<v Speaker 1>right wing counter coup, that is to say, another right

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<v Speaker 1>wing coup top all the existing right wing coup. They

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<v Speaker 1>started cracking down even harder on their own people. This

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<v Speaker 1>fells apart. In nineteen seventy four, there were free elections

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<v Speaker 1>in Greece once more. A referendum to install the monarchy

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<v Speaker 1>failed and Greece became a republic. And the students were

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<v Speaker 1>fucking heroes. They had destroyed a dictatorship, I mean, alongside

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of other people. So for almost forty years

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<v Speaker 1>there was a law that said cops weren't allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>enter universities because people were like, oh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe giving students defensible spaces as good for democracy because

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<v Speaker 1>it was destroyed dictatorship. This was the nineteen eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>academic sanctuary law. In twenty nineteen, a right wing government

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<v Speaker 1>scrapped that law.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but exarchia centered around not centered whatever the polytechnic

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<v Speaker 1>is in Exarchia, and this became like kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>this neighborhood became under anarchist control. Yeah, And in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, tens of thousands of anarchists we're living in

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood, drawn from around the country, and anti state,

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<v Speaker 1>anti capitalist politics have been seen as a legitimate force

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<v Speaker 1>in Greek society for a long time. There's also a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stray dogs there, not just I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, when are we getting back, We're back to the dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>Dogs, there'd be dogs, and I told this would be

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<v Speaker 3>a happy dog episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. There's going to be more. There's still more

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<v Speaker 1>in between every big stories of its stories, the Russian

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<v Speaker 1>Nestine Dolls of the podcast world. So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stray dogs in Athens. Greece tries to vaccinate, sterilize,

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<v Speaker 1>and track the stray dogs. They don't they don't euthanize,

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<v Speaker 1>and they haven't had the success of the Netherlands so far,

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<v Speaker 1>but they do actually have done a lot of work

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<v Speaker 1>in this direction. Cool, and it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>story about the dogs, but now we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the riots that made those dogs famous.

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<v Speaker 3>So you tease me by saying the word dog a

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<v Speaker 3>couple times, and now we're okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about a guy again. Human. Yeah, there's molotovs. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, almost as good as a dog. It's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like yeah, but there's like there's a big gap

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<v Speaker 1>right between molotovs and dogs, but there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff between them. You know, there's like people and

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<v Speaker 1>they're okay, and then there's molotoss are good, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's like lots of dead air, and then there's dogs

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<v Speaker 1>at the top of everything in the hierarchy of trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie's all right, just get on with it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this fifteen year old kid who likes hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>in the streets of Xarkia named Alexandro's Grigoropolos. And on

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<v Speaker 1>December sixth, two thousand and eight, Alexandros was hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>in the streets with his friends when they got into

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<v Speaker 1>a verbalttercation with the cops. The cops actually got orders

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<v Speaker 1>from higher up to leave it alone, and the cops

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<v Speaker 1>were like, now, fuck that, they parked, They came over,

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<v Speaker 1>they started yelling at the kids. The kids didn't back down,

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<v Speaker 1>and the cops murdered Alexandros. They murdered a fifteen year old.

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<v Speaker 1>They claimed that their shot was a ricochet. The autopsy

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<v Speaker 1>disagree it. Yeah, shocker there really, yeah, really total news

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone. Within an hour, the riots started. Within two days,

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<v Speaker 1>there were twenty eight cities across Greece that were on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically Athens was burning, Malthous were everywhere. The police station

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<v Speaker 1>Outpost Nicksarkia was firebombed by a crowd of one hundred people.

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<v Speaker 1>Students went on strike everywhere. Labor unions went on strike.

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<v Speaker 1>Air traffic controllers shut down dozens of flights because they

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<v Speaker 1>went on strike. And it was about Alexandro's but it

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<v Speaker 1>was about more than that. It was about the failing economy.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand and eight, as everyone will recall, was a

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<v Speaker 1>really great time for everyone economically. It was about increasing

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<v Speaker 1>financial inequality, and it was about authoritarian control of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about people's demands to live lives of self determination.

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<v Speaker 1>So a private company that kept records of individual debt

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<v Speaker 1>was burned. Their records were burned. Protesters shot out the

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<v Speaker 1>tires of a police bus with AK forty seven. By

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<v Speaker 1>the end of this even some cops went on strike

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<v Speaker 1>and protested against this. Is this like actually surprised me.

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<v Speaker 1>The cops went on strike and protested against the cops.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so dope.

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<v Speaker 1>They intended to quote totally, intending to quote state categorically

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<v Speaker 1>that social problems are not solved by repressive measures. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>do you tell cop, Yeah, there is a line at

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<v Speaker 1>which some cops will stop wanting to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently this might not.

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<v Speaker 3>Be dogs, but I've enjoying myself a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought it would be all right.

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<v Speaker 1>See see, the riots lasted in full fervor for three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>They lingered longer after that. There's like famous photos or

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<v Speaker 1>just like search like grease Christmas tree fire, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>like just a massive Christmas tree that they set on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very dramatic. The police response was brutal. Isolated protesters

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<v Speaker 1>were beaten to an inch of their lives. A friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine was actually curb stomped by police and Athens.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was during this, but it might have

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<v Speaker 1>been during some of the protests a little bit later

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<v Speaker 1>than that. I talked to a Greek friend about this time,

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<v Speaker 1>and his perspective was that in the minds of the

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<v Speaker 1>average Greek person, the anarchists were about as legitimate of

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<v Speaker 1>a force within society as the police. Like some people

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<v Speaker 1>supported the anarchists, some people supported the police, and the

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<v Speaker 1>rest were like, well, both sides have a point, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is not a situation that I have ever experienced

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere else. A Greek woman, quoted by The Daily Beast

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<v Speaker 1>put it quote the day we don't tear things down

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<v Speaker 1>because the government murdered a child is the day we

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<v Speaker 1>are no longer human? And I don't know. I think

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<v Speaker 1>about how often people have to do that all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world, you know, in these clouds of tear gas.

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<v Speaker 1>Amongst the rock throwing, molotov throwing anarchists who were supported

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<v Speaker 1>by a surprising percentage of the Greek population, a hero emerged,

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<v Speaker 1>a hero named Canelos, the first modern riot dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And because every story is really complicated, it might have

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<v Speaker 1>been to as Heyday was before this. There's lots of

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<v Speaker 1>conflicting reports about exactly when he first showed up. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is the story we're going with.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, it's time four and ad break.

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<v Speaker 3>trop comes in many different colors. Sometimes it comes in

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<v Speaker 3>every couple months. They're her favorite. So sometimes it is

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<v Speaker 3>jumble lamb Chop. Sometimes it's Jumbo black bear, sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 3>Jumbo tiger. Sometimes we often do the unicor becaus they're very,

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<v Speaker 3>very very pretty, and uh they're They're awesome. And I

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<v Speaker 3>highly recommend the Jumbo Lamb Chop franchise. I guess hell

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<v Speaker 1>She concurs, And here's some other ads. And we are back.

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<v Speaker 1>In all the pictures of all the black Cloud protesters

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<v Speaker 1>with rocks and molotovs, they had a friend, a medium

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<v Speaker 1>sized yellow dog of indeterminable breed. It's always a mutt, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>always a mutt. There he was barking at cops. There

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<v Speaker 1>he was posing with the anarchists. Canelos. Canelos was a mutt,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, he was a mutt. No offense to dogs

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<v Speaker 1>that had the misfortune of being pure bread. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>their fault. But of course the first ride dog is

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<v Speaker 1>a mutt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>His medium size and yellow and his name his name

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<v Speaker 1>means cinnamon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was on the front lines of every protest

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<v Speaker 1>for years. One time he tripped cops as they ran

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<v Speaker 1>down the steps of Syntagma Square, just like the main Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go. Yeah. He was legendary. He was in papers

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<v Speaker 1>across the world. He was inspiring and an icon. He

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<v Speaker 1>was also a way that journalists used to like flatten

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<v Speaker 1>the struggle right, because they'd be like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Greeks are rioting. Here's a dog that is not his fault.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not fault that he was also adorable, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Like every legend, it's hard to peace out

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<v Speaker 1>what's true and what's not. There are three famed and

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<v Speaker 1>named riot dogs from Greece from the twenty eight or

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve and possibly earlier than that, and they all

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<v Speaker 1>look really similar. Sometimes people claim they are related, Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>people claim they are the same dog. Sometimes the heroic

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<v Speaker 1>deeds of one are conflated with the deeds of another.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm certain I will get some stuff wrong here across

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<v Speaker 1>and every source I could they all disagree and they're

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<v Speaker 1>all anecdotal. It's possible that Canelos actually died in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight before these particular protests, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of his other yellow dogs that was these ones.

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<v Speaker 1>But all these dogs were loved, and all these dogs

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<v Speaker 1>fought hard, and we're going to talk about how they fought.

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<v Speaker 1>Canelos he ruled. He gave people hope, and he basically

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, the street dogs are street dogs are

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<v Speaker 1>with you. As he aged, he started to get arthritis,

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<v Speaker 1>and student protesters got him a wheelchair for his back

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<v Speaker 1>legs and then helped him along for more marches. There's

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<v Speaker 1>photos of him like being helped along on these marches,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's just happy and old. He retired and lived

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<v Speaker 1>inside the Polytechnic, the university that brought down the fucking dictatorship.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, the dog catcher was called on him

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<v Speaker 1>and the students were vaulted until he was freed good

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<v Speaker 1>and he lived among the students until his death at

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<v Speaker 1>roughly seventeen years old. Next to Rise, Yeah, next to

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<v Speaker 1>Rise in fame Leucanicos, who is sometimes said to be

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<v Speaker 1>Canelos's kid. That might be true, I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>street dogs are often sterilized in Greece, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Lucanicos at least was sterilized based on it did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of weird research. I was like reading the pieces

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<v Speaker 1>written by the people who handle the stray dogs in Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>as I was trying to figureut which dogs are which

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<v Speaker 1>Lucanicos is the next generation famed riot dog and since

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<v Speaker 1>this is Greece, the next generation of riots is less

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<v Speaker 1>than three years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty ten, the Greek economy was fucked, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>leaders were like, hey, what if we got the International

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<v Speaker 1>Monetary Fund to bail us out in exchange agree to

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of austerity measures that entirely fuck over everyone

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<v Speaker 1>living in the country. And the other leaders they all

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<v Speaker 1>nodded their heads and were like, this is indeed a

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<v Speaker 1>wise course of action, and not only will it be good,

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<v Speaker 1>but people will accept it all right. Shockingly, they were wrong. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Greek population was like, actually, we like having a

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<v Speaker 1>social safety net and a society that believes in taking

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<v Speaker 1>care of one another instead of all pretending like we

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<v Speaker 1>want to be America but poor and fuck each other

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<v Speaker 1>over all the time, people saw no reason why they

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<v Speaker 1>had to pay for unpopular and bad decisions made by

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<v Speaker 1>their leaders, and they had no interest in going along

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<v Speaker 1>with these austerity measures. So you've got what's called the

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<v Speaker 1>anti Asterity movement, and it was riots and general strikes

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<v Speaker 1>starting in a militant fashion. In June twenty eleven, when

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<v Speaker 1>the Greek Parliament voted to agree to the austerity stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>The protests started out kind of peaceful. Cops were soon like,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck you get the fucking line, We're going to hit

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<v Speaker 1>you and poison you and fuck you up. So people

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<v Speaker 1>were like, I'm doing a lot of paraphrasing here. These

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<v Speaker 1>are not direct quotes. People were like, wow, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get in line. And also, it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>you can make them all tough cocktail pretty easily. All

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<v Speaker 1>you got to do is take a bottle and then

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<v Speaker 1>and where there are clouds of tear gas, where there

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<v Speaker 1>are armies of RoboCop right police marching in uniform is

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<v Speaker 1>a show that I wrote this while I was like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of excited and just like reading about this with

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<v Speaker 1>my dog in my lap. Where there are rock throwing anarchists,

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<v Speaker 1>there are riot dogs. Where there are protesters to be

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<v Speaker 1>protected and cheered up, there's leucanicos barking at cops. His

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<v Speaker 1>name means sausage. I like wonutiful. I know, okay. According

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<v Speaker 1>to a Greek person's comment quote that I just found

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<v Speaker 1>on a random article, because this is the only piece

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<v Speaker 1>that I found of anything anecdotal about this part of

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<v Speaker 1>it quote. Initially, Leucanicos would go to the demos with

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<v Speaker 1>the left wing student group EAAK, and it was only

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<v Speaker 1>later that he changed his political preferences and went to

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<v Speaker 1>demos with the anarchists. On another note, I am under

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<v Speaker 1>the impression that dogs are not affected by tear gas,

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<v Speaker 1>though one would expect them to be. I could not

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<v Speaker 1>justify this claim scientifically, but only from experience. Neither Leucanicos,

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<v Speaker 1>nor Canelos, nor any of the other dogs that joined

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<v Speaker 1>riots in Greece ever show any kind of effect from

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<v Speaker 1>the tons of tear gas that the cops constantly threw

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<v Speaker 1>at us. So I looked it up. It turns out

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<v Speaker 1>you can justify this claim scientifically. Most sites are like Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>dogs have more sensitive senses of smell, so they're affected more.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is not based on experience or study. The

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<v Speaker 1>opposite is true. You want to guess what group has

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<v Speaker 1>done the most research about tear gas and dogs without

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<v Speaker 1>reading ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm looking at the ceiling. Probably the people that

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<v Speaker 3>use the tear gas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep, the bad guy team, the CANA and police unit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to be able to work in cs gas

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<v Speaker 1>tear gas environments, so they test.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're telling me they tested tear gas on dogs

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<v Speaker 3>to see how it would affect them and didn't think about,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the negative impacts of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you're telling me?

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<v Speaker 1>That is what I'm telling you, fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Cops acap geez christ.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But both the anecdotal experience of protesters and the

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<v Speaker 1>scientific study of putting dogs into tear gas chambers reveals

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<v Speaker 1>that dogs are not particularly affected by tear gas, not

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<v Speaker 1>to the same degree that humans are, because dogs are better. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the big part of it. Dogs have tear ducks

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<v Speaker 1>that are like ten times the size of human tear

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<v Speaker 1>ducks because they they have ten times as many emotions

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<v Speaker 1>and not just in proportion to their body. Are the

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 1>tear ducks bigger, but like literally objectively size, right, So

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>they flush tear gas way the fuck faster, or lachrymatory

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.440
<v Speaker 1>agents way the fuck faster, including pepper spray. They've also

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 1>got what's called a nictating nictating membrane or a third eyelid.

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.160
<v Speaker 1>That that's what most people call it because it's easier

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 1>to spell and pronounce that hangs out on the inside

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 1>corner of their eye. It's very effective at protecting their

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 1>eyes and spreading tears across their eyes. They also don't

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.399
<v Speaker 1>have sweat glands, so they don't absorb the chemicals and

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 1>many in as many places, there are long term health effects.

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 1>You should not intentionally expose your dog to tear gas.

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Looking at you canine units. You should just let all

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>your dogs tire yep, Lucanicos, and then you should yourself retire. Actually,

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Lucanicos won even more hearts around the world than his

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe dad did. In twenty eleven, he was nominated for times.

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I remember that the only time.

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Bro was like fuck, yeah, yeah, totally rooting for you.

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because they had already changed it from

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Man of the Year to Person of the Year, you know,

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and so like I just like the yeah. And then

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.400
<v Speaker 1>one time when cops went on strike, and this might

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>have been the two thousand and nine time, and it

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>might have been a twenty eleven time, and I do

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<v Speaker 1>not know, but it was presented as Lucanicos doing it,

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>so it might have been. There were cops on both

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 1>sides of the protests and Lucanicos didn't know what to do.

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.680
<v Speaker 1>But then the non striking cops started beating up the

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.199
<v Speaker 1>striking cops and he sided with the cops who were

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 1>on strike.

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Of course he did, because he's a good boy.

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was another dog named the Doris, or maybe

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 1>they're the same dog. The people who tracks stray dogs

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 1>in Athens say it's the same dogs. Oh, I don't know.

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it means like Theodore.

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I think it's just age.

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah there was a trend, no I I yeah, no,

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.879
<v Speaker 1>there's there's shockingly like when we talk to some of

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the when we talk about some of the other South

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 1>American riot dogs in a little bit very different naming conventions.

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 1>So Theodorus might have been Lucanicos might not have been

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 1>all the whatever, they're all great because also these are

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 1>just the name dogs. There's like fuck tons of dogs

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 1>doing all this stuff, and they're just like always there

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 1>and they're always helping people out. And Lucanicos was the

0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:51.199
<v Speaker 1>people's dog for much of his life. He had a

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.719
<v Speaker 1>collar with his vaccination status that was given to him

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>by the stray dog people, and he was welcome at

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>every squat and organizing center in the city. But he

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't stay put. He would hoop around from one place

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>to another. He basically couchsurf across the movement. And in

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve, after a year on the front lines of

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:12.439
<v Speaker 1>this particular protest, possibly longer depending on whatever whatever, in

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve he was adopted more formally by a guy

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>and given a loving home. He had food, water, tick collars,

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>veterinary care, and safety, and he lived another two years

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and he died peacefully in his sleep in twenty fourteen.

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>He was buried in the shade of a tree on

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a hill in the center of Athens, and he died

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>at about ten years of age. And the reason he

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>died young is probably the veterinary. Report says that it

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 1>was in part due to all the tear gass he'd

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>ingested over the years. There's a bunch of monuments and

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>murals in his honor. He's a character in the twenty

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:50.159
<v Speaker 1>twenty video game Tonight We Riot Cool. Yeah, So I

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 1>started off this episode as kind of a cute like

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>look its dogs being cool, but honestly, like the more

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like writing about it, reading about it and

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 1>all that. Like, Lucanicos is as much our comrade as anyone.

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 1>He worked tirelessly to keep people safe and keep people's

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>spirits lifted. And like everyone, he hated cops and he

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>sacrifices health to keep people safe. Long live Lucanicos.

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Fuck yeah, I.

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Want to take a quick detour to the next country

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>over to Turkey. Turkey doesn't give us.

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I got to talk about humans now.

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 1>No, very little, maybe a little bit. I'm sorry. The

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>humans provide the context that all the dogs live in.

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yet no, no, fair enough.

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Turkey doesn't give us any named personalities of riot dogs,

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 1>at least not that have made it to the Western media.

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 1>But it has a beautiful story, which is that there

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the struggle goes both ways. The dogs fight for the

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>people and the people fight for the dogs. Because in

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and four, Turkey passed a law against euthanizing strays,

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 1>joining the parts of the world that actually took this

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>problem seriously. I'm tried and failing to keep my opinion

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 1>out of this issue. The government keeps trying to go

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 1>back to euthanasia, and people keep saying like, no, fuck you,

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>we are not going back to this. And it was

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>this oh fuck no attitude that got the two thousand

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and four law passed in the first place, and whenever

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>municipalities do it anyway, people get real fucking upset at them.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 1>But there's unlike Germany and the Netherlands, there's a ton

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>of stray dogs in Turkey. They're generally not seen as

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>a problem. A recent survey says that about a third

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>of the population sees them as a threat. While there's

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of organizations that sterilize and release strays, they

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 1>put ear tags on them to mark them. There aren't

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>enough of these programs yet, and pets can still be

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>bought in stores, so a lot of people buy them

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and then abandon them. But on the other hand, there's

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 1>a ton of cafes and such that care for the animals,

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and there's a bit of an attitude. There's more of

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>an attitude of like, these are our dogs than is

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>commonly found in more western countries. So people fight for

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the dogs. And then in twenty thirteen, like as they should. Yeah, no, totally, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>all of the stuff of like oh we took care

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>of these dogs who took care of us on the streets,

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 1>like they make me really happy. So in twenty thirteen

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>you've got the Gezi Park protests. There's a park in

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Istanbul called Toxin Gezi Park, and in twenty thirteen the

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>government was like, what if this was a shopping mall

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 1>instead of a park, And the people of Vistabul were like,

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>what if the fuck it was not? So it started

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>with people occupying the park to prevent development. For two

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 1>weeks they occupied the place, and then it spread all

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>over Turkey. Like all major movements, it was about a

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of things. It was about the park, it was

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>about public space. It was about free speech and assembly,

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>about having spaces not be just about places you buy

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and sell shit. It was also about fuck ertigan and authoritarianism.

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>It was also about environmentalism. And then I really like

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>this part. The government called them all looters. So the

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>protesters rather than be like, we're not looters, we're the

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>good protesters unlike the bad protesters. Just all of the

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 1>protesters were like, yeah, we're looters. That's the name, that's

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>that's the word for us. The word is louter cool. Eventually,

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the moment passed. Urdigan is still in power, but Guzie

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Park is still there. It did not become a mall.

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>And the dogs who lived in the park were part

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>of the protest, and all the dogs who were around

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>the surrounding area, and they were showing up as riot dogs,

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and they were, you know, defending people and fighting back

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>against the police. And there were also pets would come

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:34.959
<v Speaker 1>out and they'd have signs around their necks and stuff,

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 1>and they would have like signs that say things like

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>close the park and I'll shit in the mall. Cops

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 1>were particularly brutal to the dogs in these protests, leaving

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>us with photos of people washing pepper spray out of

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>some good boy's eyes. And the news wants you to

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>believe that these dogs were there because of the commotion,

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>that they weren't there to defend the park, but this

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>was their home. Militarized police came in and the dogs

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>joined people fighting back against police coming into their home.

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I think all of them are good pups.

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, if there's one thing dogs are gonna do,

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna protect their territory.

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and the people who care for them.

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And finally, we're gonna talk about the most famous riot

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>dog of the mall, who has the coolest name. But first,

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>but first, when I what is my dog like? When

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm driving my dog around in my giant truck, I

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>have a little like folding dog crate that he doesn't

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>stay in, but the entire backseat I put the crate

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>in so he has a place to lie down and

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>feel safe. And then also while he's laying down, it's

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>like safer if I get into an accident or whatever.

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I really like my travel crate. I have no idea

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the brand.

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I have one as well in my car.

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Anderson is like a soft thing. She can go

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 3>in there if she wants to. She doesn't have to.

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 3>If I'm on the freeway, I always zip it up.

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:59.479
<v Speaker 3>It's very safe. It's buckled in. M nice, drive safely

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 3>with your own Yeah.

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 1>And then these other ads, and we're back and we're

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about El Negro Matapolcos fuck yeah, the

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Black cop killer, sometimes just El Negro the Black, which

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>means that I get to talk about the Argentinians student Uprising,

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>as is my way of getting everyone to hear about

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 1>all these protest movements. Context context, the Argentinian student uprising

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>of twenty eleven to twenty thirteen, sometimes called the Chilean

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Winter because most of it happened in the first winter.

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>And I always talk about these huge protest movements and

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 1>uprisings from fifty one hundred, two hundred years ago, but

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>it's worth remembering these happen all the time. I'm sure

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 1>another one is coming. You can just wait or not wait,

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 1>whatever float your boat. In Chile, most education is privatized,

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and it was getting more so. Tuition was going up.

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>The rich, we're getting good educations. The poor, we're not

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>getting good educations. People didn't like this. It turns out

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>people don't like when that happens. The uprising was also

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 1>about economic inequality, lack of opportunities for people to lead

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>dignified lives, and the protests led to hundreds of injured protesters,

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of injured police officers, and one dead student, and

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>once again in the tear gas, a hero arrived, a

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>medium sized black mutt, always a mutt with floppy ears

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and a red bandana and an unwavering commitments of justice. Yeah,

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 1>and I actually I have more details about him than

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>any of the others.

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Mattapacos wasn't actually a stray dog, not really sort of

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>half stray. He was a stray who mostly stayed with

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a woman named Maria compos who took him in and

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 1>kept a bed for him and fed him, but let

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>him come and go whenever he wanted. And she basically like,

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:52.919
<v Speaker 1>one day fed this stray and he was like, yeah,

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I like it here, I'll stay here. At first, she

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>gave him a cape that he wore, but after he

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>came home soaked by a police water cannon, she switched

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 1>to a bandana, and sometimes it was red and sometimes

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>it was blue. She'd change it up on different days

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>whenever a protest would pop off. There's like, there's a

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>video of her talking about this. Whenever a protest would

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>pop off, he'd scratch at the door, desperate to go

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 1>out and get into the fray. So Maria would bless him,

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>drawing a cross on his head with her thumb to

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 1>protect him from evil in danger. Then open the door

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and he'd go running downtown to the protests. I think

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.280
<v Speaker 1>she lived near downtown, but sometimes he took the bus

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.839
<v Speaker 1>by himself. I think I've seen video footage of him

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:35.440
<v Speaker 1>on a bus and he's not with anyone.

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 3>That's actually, uh, there's several dogs that have done that.

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, cool, it's so cute. Yeah. One day Maria was

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>like randomly downtown and saw her own dog leading a

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>march of students on the next street over or whatever.

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Students referred to him as a reincarnated student. And a

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of mythologizing has been done around Motapacos. And it's

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 1>beautiful because it's less as compared to poor Lucanicos, where

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.800
<v Speaker 1>it got flattened in the media and other countries. This

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 1>this feels like it was like mythbuilding by movements. And

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>also I mean whatever, it's all all these things. Okay,

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.360
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of dogs would march with the students,

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.239
<v Speaker 1>they would attack police, they would defend students. In a

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>short documentary about Motopacos, the filmmaker asks some students, have

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 1>you ever seen a dog defend the police? The students reply, no,

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 1>not even those who walk with them.

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Ha ha.

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>And in a material sense, the dogs, often dozens at

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 1>a time, offer these protests a lot of things. They're

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>unafraid of chemical weapons and fire hoses. They would like

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>literally like Rentro would totally do this. They basically play

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.399
<v Speaker 1>with the fire hose water. You know. They're like, oh, yeah,

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get that water, you know. And yeah, they

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.040
<v Speaker 1>form a physical buffer in front of protest sometimes, so

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>there's footage of water hose tanks on the tanks, like

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>not tanks of water, but you know, big things on

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 1>wheels whatever. Yeah, unable to advance because they can't effectively

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>clear the dogs off the street. They also serve as icons,

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and I mean that in the religious sense when the

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>while the church during these protests was up there with

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:19.479
<v Speaker 1>the state and the police is one of the major

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 1>repressive forces that people are fighting against. Yeah, he was

0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 1>essentially canonized in a folk Catholic way, right, you have people,

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, doing the blessings and all that stuff, and

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>there's images of him with a halo, and he just

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 1>became a living symbol of revolt. Him and the other

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 1>dogs street dogs defending the streets from those who tried

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>to deny it. Since street dogs they're defending the streets

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 1>from those who try to like deny the streets to

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:48.720
<v Speaker 1>the people, they become this like clear example of downtrodden

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 1>fighting back and just being like, no, we've got this,

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>We're doing this together. And he was not so soon.

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Matapacos was not the only dog with a bandana tight

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.279
<v Speaker 1>around its neck. Basically, everyone like started going around and

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 1>giving all the riot dogs bandanas, and it became the

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 1>symbol of it. There's a twenty thirteen documentary about him

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 1>called Matapaco that's on YouTube and as English subtitles. If

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>your Spanish is as bad as mine, and he's just

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 1>he's really fucking cool. He he survives all of this.

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>He is a dog, so he doesn't live as long

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>as people. El Negro Motapacos died peacefully on Saturday August

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth, twenty seventeen. He was maybe sixteen or seventeen

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 1>years old. I've also seen twelve, but most of the

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>time I see sixteen or seventeen.

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 3>I'll never forgive whoever made that decision to make dogs

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 3>lives so short.

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>That is fair. I it is an unforgivable thing that

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<v Speaker 1>has been done.

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Whatever whoever decided that, fuck you.

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, he was surrounded by his loved ones and

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>there are uncountable murals carrying him on. And as for

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the protests itself, I don't think it's accurate to talk

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 1>about protests movements like winning and losing. The student movement

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't win its demands, it laid the groundwork for another

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>uprising in twenty nineteen. But it's better to just see

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 1>history as this ebb and flow of energy and power,

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:13.439
<v Speaker 1>a fight between liberation and repression. We win by being

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 1>on the side of liberation, of education, of workers' rights,

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 1>of dignity, of helping out the street dogs. And in

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, two years after his death, the black Cop

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Killer became a symbol once more as the country sprung

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 1>into revolt. A black dog with a red bandana is

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>now the symbol of revolt for much of the world.

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Statues of dog.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, like, people probably don't even

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 3>realize that that this image is super popular. You probably

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:44.760
<v Speaker 3>don't even realize you've seen it. But it's it's everywhere. Yeah,

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 3>and it's dope. Yeah, it's so good.

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I really like people will go up to statues of dogs,

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>like any random statue of a dog in a public place,

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:58.879
<v Speaker 1>entire red bandana around its neck. Yeah, and red bandanas

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about before on the show as a symbol

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of going back at least as far as the Battle

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.359
<v Speaker 1>of Blair Mountain in West Virginia, which you can listen

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 1>to our episode from last year about when black and

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 1>white miners tied red bandanas around their necks and went

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>to a literal war against the coal companies that were

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 1>murdering them. And this might be and might not be

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the origin of the term redneck. And so I like

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 1>this continuation of the red bandana as a symbol in

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.919
<v Speaker 1>the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty protests. He've got two

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 1>more named riot dogs that come up Pepe Matapacos and Elvakita,

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 1>which means the little cow. El Waqita won the twenty

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen Character of the Year award in his city of Antofagasta.

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I suspect it was a person of the year until Elakita.

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 1>You know that's so cool. Yeah, And protesters had his

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>back as well. A little cow. One time he got

0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>lost in a neighborhood and he didn't know he didn't

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 1>know this particular neighborhoo after a particularly tough fight with

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the police, so protesters used Facebook to coordinate a rescue

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>of him, and then someone walked him back to the

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 1>streets he did know, so that he could find his

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:12.279
<v Speaker 1>way home and when cops he survives this when cops

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 1>shot him with a rubber bullet. Protesters get him, get

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 1>him to the vet, because we keep us safe includes animals.

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 1>And there's one more. There's one more. Yes, we're gonna

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 1>talk about another stire dog.

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 2>This one.

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>This one's a goat, but still an honorary dog. Biquette

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the grind were.

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Saying the greatest of all time, and then I was like,

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:38.840
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh.

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 1>No, she means like a yeah, yeah, no, a literal goat.

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, no, totally when in doubt I am not

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 1>successfully using contemporary slang.

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Is That's why I was like confused for a second.

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 3>I was like, like, don't think that we're getting into

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Lebron James today.

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, who I'm aware of as a player of basketball,

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah you are, probably because of you. So yep.

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Biquett the grindcore goat. Biquett was a goat who loved grindcore,

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:20.479
<v Speaker 1>thus the grindcore goat. Grindcore is this really extreme punk

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>metal genre. It goes really fast, the songs are like

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 1>really short, and people scream about stuff. The anarchist band

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Napalm Death is probably the most famous band that played grindcore.

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.320
<v Speaker 1>They're in the Guinness Book World Records for the shortest

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 1>song ever recorded. You Suffer is one point three to

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>one six seconds long, so not very long songs. Biquett

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 1>lived on a punk rock farm. Have you ever seen

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 1>the video the photos of this m m oh, you

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>should look up Biquett b I q U E T

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 1>t E. Yeah.

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 3>This fucking goat is so metal.

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Biquett lived on everyone at home. If you're if

0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 1>you're not out doing a thing, you should if you

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:02.919
<v Speaker 1>haven't already seen his images. Biquette lived on a punk

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 1>rock farm. And I can't pronounce French words, and I

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.120
<v Speaker 1>try hard, less harder than other countries for some reason

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 1>in Mariok, France and this farm through shows, and she

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>hung out with every band that toured, and she was

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.880
<v Speaker 1>always in the audience at every show, and pictures of

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>her go viral every now and then. And the name

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Bequtt the goat translates to goat the goat because Biquett

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:29.320
<v Speaker 1>means a young female goat. The punks at Mariok rescued

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 1>her from a slaughterhouse when she was five years old. Basically,

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 1>she'd been a milk goat. When she stopped producing enough,

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 1>she was going to get sent to the slaughter, but

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 1>then the punks were like, give her to us instead,

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 1>and she spent the next and last five years of

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.280
<v Speaker 1>her life listening to punk sleeping in front of speakers,

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to eat everyone's cigarette butts and drink everyone's half

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>empty beers, and basically living her best life. One of

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>the people on the farm named Flow said about her quote,

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 1>she was most connected to grind seen as the barn

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>floor where we throw the concerts. As wooden, I think

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 1>think that she felt the vibrations in her hoofs the

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 1>majority of the time. She even laid down next to

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 1>the speakers. She died young on December ninth, twenty thirteen.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 1>A goat can live fifteen years easily, but she died

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:17.359
<v Speaker 1>at ten years old. However, she got to live five

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 1>years as the punk rock goat instead of dying at five,

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 1>which is what her actual fate would have been if

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:27.839
<v Speaker 1>the punks hadn't intervened. And there are many, many more,

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 1>very good dogs of many different species. And I'm sure

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 1>I'll return to this topic in the future, but for now,

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 1>go hug a dog, including cat dogs and goat dogs

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and parrot dogs, don't hug bears or wolves. They're not dogs.

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 1>They're great too, but they don't need your hugs unless

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you work at a wildlife sanctuary or some shit. That's

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 1>what I got. So I got about good dogs. I

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>love this.

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure what to do this week, and then

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, I'm doing dogs. Yeah, dog time.

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 2>It's good.

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 3>It's good doggo time, which is you know, every day

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 3>at my house. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Do you have

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 3>anything you'd like to plug? Oh?

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm working on a tabletop roleplaying game called p

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Number City that you can back on Kickstarter if it

0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.479
<v Speaker 1>is currently June twenty twenty three. If it is before

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0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>June twenty twenty three, you can just buy it like

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 1>a regular person, and then you can play a tabletop

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 1>role playing game that I should have a little thing

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.319
<v Speaker 1>about in front of me, but I don't. But if

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>you want to be an occultist who talks to the

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 1>dead at seances while your friend who ran away from

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the army but kept an exoskeleton is hanging out while

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>someone else who's an orphan who eats fungus to commune

0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 1>with rats and send swarms of rats against the priests

0:45:56.440 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 1>who sacrifice gods. All that stuff. Then you might like

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>this game and you can play it. What do you got?

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<v Speaker 1>And you can say I'm in when you do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then everyone will think you're probably less cool than

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<v Speaker 1>they did before you said it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we Actually there's some pretty cool I really like

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<v Speaker 3>the art that is after this that it's it's our ship,

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<v Speaker 3>but cooler I haven't seen it, like like literally icy,

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<v Speaker 3>like cold. When I was telling when I was telling

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:36.640
<v Speaker 3>our internal team that we were doing this, and you know,

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:38.840
<v Speaker 3>being like, yeah, we're doing this, people get more money.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey uh, I just like had the graphic up and

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 3>none of them knew what it was, and I was like,

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 3>this is great, right, Like what the fuck are you

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 3>talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Visual puns that not they're not the right audience for it.

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I we're an audio medium. They don't get they

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:57.760
<v Speaker 3>don't get the visual stuff it happens.

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:01.720
<v Speaker 1>But you can get that visual as well as mostly audio.

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 3>And speaking of visuals, if you would like to see

0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 3>photos of my dog, you can follow me on the interwebs.

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm at Why Underscore, Sophie Underscore, Why on Twitter where

0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 3>I post stuff of Anderson. But it basically my entire

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Instagram is just Anderson content daily and that is at

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:24.719
<v Speaker 3>Sophie Underscore, Ray Underscore of Underscore Sunshine. There's probably other

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Underscores in there. I'm not good at saying it out loud,

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 3>but Yeah, there's that, and men, Magpie, you post lots

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<v Speaker 3>of photos of your dog on your Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's true. I'm at Margot Kiljoy on Instagram, at

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<v Speaker 1>Magpie Killjoy on Twitter, and we'll probably eventually actually start

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<v Speaker 1>looking at blue sky. At the moment I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>It probably will praps like a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye everyone.

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