1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool Dogs. Who did Dog Stuff? 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: You like what I did? 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: I love that the change the title who Loved the Dogs? 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, yep, now yeah those are your one point 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: five times you're allowed. So I'm your host. Margaret Kildre 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: with me today as both my guest and producer, but 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: not my guest producer because that's a different term for 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: a different media medium. Is Sophie. 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: Hi, Sophie, I see what you did there? 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Thanks, that was nice. 12 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Sophie is best known as a producer of podcasts, 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: but also probably almost equally known as someone who likes dogs. 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, equally hard for how beautiful my dog? Anderson shout 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 3: out Anderson for being a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful girl. 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: Anderson's amazing. Ian is our audio engineer and our theme 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: music was written for us by unwoman. 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: You're not gonna try to spell that this this episode. 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: I guess I could try to do it so I 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: could get it right this time. I swear I write 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: for a living you and wo M A N crushed it. 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: Hell Yeah. This week we're talking about dogs. This is 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: part two. In part one, we talked about the bummer 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: stuff is a pun because bumber was then Oh that's perfect, Yeah, 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: thank you. We talked to the domestication of dogs. We 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: talked about why dogs and humans belong together and why 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: mass euthanasia is not the most effective thing that's ever 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: happened in terms of fixing some of the problems between 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: humans and dogs. Today, we're gonna talk about riot dogs. 31 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: Where are we starting. 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: We're starting in Greece. Did you read ahead. So there's 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: a neighborhood in Athens called Exarchia. I really like Athens 34 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: because there's an Athens in every fucking state. Yeah, but 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: this is the og Athens Athens, Greece, they have a neighborhood. 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: They neighborhood's called Exarchia. It is the anarchist neighborhood. Is 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: one of the only ways you will find the word 38 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: anarchist in mainstream newspapers, honestly, is if they talk about Exarchia, 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: you kind of can't. That's how anarchist it is. You 40 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: can't not say it. There's all these jokes in twenty 41 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: twenty about anarchist jurisdictions. Actually they weren't jokes. There's all 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: these strange accusations made about why the government should kill 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: everyone in various cities in the United States for being 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: anarchist jurisdictions. But exarchia anarchists present about as much political 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: power as the actual government does, and that balance goes 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: back and forth all the time. Right now, Airbnb is 47 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: fucking it up, and I haven't entirely kept up with 48 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: how things have changed in the ten years or so 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: since I've been there. But there are or were dozens 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: of squattish social centers. These are huge buildings. Anarchists there 51 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: house refugees and immigrants and physically stop any attempts by 52 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: police to deport those immigrants. They run pay what you 53 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: want cafes. They have open air movie screenings, health clinics, 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: and language classes for migrants. Even the restaurants you have 55 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: to pay for often give out free food during the 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: general strikes. Greece loves a good general strike, and because well, 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: it means literally the birthplace of rule by the people, 58 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: so they like finding out ways to do that. There 59 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: is a large squatted park there called Navarino's Park that 60 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: is run by anarchists. Tourist guides say a self managed 61 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: park run by locals, which is technically true. 62 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: What a great spin on that, I know. 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: It was built in two thousand and nine when folks 64 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: just smashed up the concrete and planted flowers and trees 65 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: because they were like, you know what would be better 66 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: than another building is if this was a park, we 67 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: can just do that. And the rules of the park 68 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: are be respectful and clean most of the time. In practice, 69 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: it gets a little trashed during the week and then 70 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: every Sunday volunteers come to the park and clean it up. 71 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: In garden. Police tend to only come into Asarchia in 72 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: large numbers because when they do they're often met with 73 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: molotovs and rocks. People try to solve problems through self organizing. 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: While I was there, I went to the weirdest anarchist 75 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: demonstration I've ever been to, which was the most like 76 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: the anarchists are in Charge demonstration. Yeah, it was a 77 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: reclaim the streets demonstration. Normally, a reclaim the streets demonstration 78 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: is when you reclaim the streets from like government and 79 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: capitalism by having a big parade. This time it was 80 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: a demonstration led by anarchists of all ages to reclaim 81 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: the streets as public space to be shared by all. 82 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: Because there's a problem with some of the younger punks 83 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood were harassing older people, and so the 84 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:47,239 Speaker 1: anarchists through it, like leave the old folks alone, new assholes. Yeah, 85 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: it was beautiful and it was just and the way 86 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: they did that wasn't They showed up and like we're 87 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: going to fuck up any of the young punks. No, 88 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: they just like showed up with like food and shit, 89 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: and they were like, look, the streets belong to all 90 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: of us. We are all part of this neighborhood. We 91 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: all live here together, like. 92 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: A real community, real mutual aid. 93 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Controversially from a US perspective where we 94 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: have the war on drugs, they also drove out the 95 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: heroin dealers, who are seen as a scourge and yeah, 96 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: and it is argued that currently the dealers are coming 97 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: back with police assistants, and I don't know the actual 98 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: mechanism of that. As an article in The Daily Beast 99 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: put it, the freedom and ease of life in Exarchia 100 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: is preserved by the constant and immediate will to set 101 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: shit on fire, throw tear gas canisters back at the police, 102 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: maintain esthetic control of the neighborhood, and use petrol bombs 103 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: to remind everyone. The place is not for sale. It 104 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: has been under anarchist control for about half a century, 105 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: as far back as far as I can piece together. Literally, 106 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: it's coming up on its fiftieth anniversary. Because in order 107 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: to talk about stray dogs, we're going to talk about 108 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: Greek military junta. 109 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: You'll love context. 110 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: I do. I love it so much because from nineteen 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: sixty seven to nineteen seventy four, Greece was ruled by 112 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: what's called the Greek Kunta, or more poetically, the regime 113 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: of the Colonels. Just a right wing military dictatorship. Yeah, 114 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: it probably goes back even further. It goes back to 115 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: the Civil War nineteen forty four, when Greece was liberated 116 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: from the Axis Powers. Was a civil war between the 117 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: communists and the government's and exile. The communists lost. The 118 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: right and the left had been really polarized in Greece 119 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: ever since, maybe since before then, but that's as far 120 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: back as I traced it. In nineteen sixty seven, the 121 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: right wing staged a coup. In nineteen sixty eight, a 122 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: centrist guy tried to assassinate the military leader, but he 123 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: sadly failed. There were large demonstrations, but nothing that really 124 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: shook the dictatorship to the core until nineteen seventy three. 125 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy three, a fuck ton of people were like, 126 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: are you just serious? Are you serious? We have a dictatorship? 127 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: Fuck this an entire battleship. The H and S Velos mutinied. 128 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: Literally the commander was part of the mutiny. Know that 129 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: I could still kind as a mutiny, but I guess 130 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: if the entire ship mutinies against the higher naval thing right, 131 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: they refused to return to Greece. Meanwhile, the students are 132 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: fighting against conscription. In nineteen seventy three, students barricaded themselves 133 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: into the University of Athens. This is in February, the 134 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: first one of these, and the cops were brutal, they 135 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: tortured people, they did all that stuff. This didn't stop 136 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: the students overall. It probably stopped individual students because of 137 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: the death and the torture. In November, students at the 138 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: Athens Polytechnic, a university in Exarchia, they went on strike 139 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: and their motto was bred education and liberty. Forty years later, 140 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: I was inside the Polytechnic while students were preparing for 141 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: another demonstration, and I saw one of my favorite pieces 142 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: of graffiti ever, which translates to anarchy and stale bread, 143 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: with the argument like subtextas I could live off of 144 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: only anarchy and stale bread. 145 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: I do love that. 146 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd also love bread. Education at liberty, I know, 147 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: I know. 148 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy three, the students took over the university, 149 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: and the two big political groups in the university, the 150 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: two leftist groups, including the Soviet Aligne Marxists, were like, no, no, 151 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: we don't endorse this because they're trying to keep their 152 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: heads down because the whole point of the military junta 153 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: was to like crush communism, and so the Marxists are like, 154 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: oh fuck, oh fuck, and the rest of the students 155 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: were like, all right, Soviet stands, stay the fuck out 156 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: of our way. And so they barricaded the place and 157 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: they held the cops off for a night and the 158 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: second day and this is some shit out of a movie, 159 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: I fucking swear is now what's called celebration day. Thousands 160 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: of people showed up to support them, and it I 161 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: believe this is like basically like when the protests really 162 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: got large against this dictatorship, a radio tower inside the 163 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: occupied university that they cobbled together like literally out of 164 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: like the thing I read was translated was like out 165 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: of pieces from the lab, like the science lab. They 166 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: just fucking put together radio tower and they started spitting 167 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: out demands for freedom, and for the first time, molotods 168 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: started showing up at protests in Athens, and the junta 169 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: freaked out. They declared martial law, which they had like 170 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of I think walked back a little bit because 171 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: they'd been around for a little bit. They drove a 172 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: tank through the gates of the university. Twenty four people 173 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: were killed. And this is the part of this is 174 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: like the last words heard from the occupied radio station 175 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: before it went dead were hail freedom, spoken in an 176 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: adolescent voice. 177 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: Hmm. 178 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: And I like, I like that. I mean, I don't 179 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: like that. 180 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: It's powerful but very cinematic. 181 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And that's like, I mean, that's one of 182 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: the things I keep running across with history is like, oh, 183 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: we actually all live these very cinematic lives. It's just 184 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: a matter of understanding what's happening and framing things. And anyway, 185 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: the existing junta was falling in fast. There was another 186 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: right wing counter coup, that is to say, another right 187 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: wing coup top all the existing right wing coup. They 188 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: started cracking down even harder on their own people. This 189 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: fells apart. In nineteen seventy four, there were free elections 190 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: in Greece once more. A referendum to install the monarchy 191 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: failed and Greece became a republic. And the students were 192 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: fucking heroes. They had destroyed a dictatorship, I mean, alongside 193 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: a ton of other people. So for almost forty years 194 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: there was a law that said cops weren't allowed to 195 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: enter universities because people were like, oh, I don't know, 196 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: maybe giving students defensible spaces as good for democracy because 197 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: it was destroyed dictatorship. This was the nineteen eighty two 198 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: academic sanctuary law. In twenty nineteen, a right wing government 199 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: scrapped that law. 200 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, but. 201 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, but exarchia centered around not centered whatever the polytechnic 202 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: is in Exarchia, and this became like kind of how 203 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: this neighborhood became under anarchist control. Yeah, And in the 204 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, tens of thousands of anarchists we're living in 205 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: the neighborhood, drawn from around the country, and anti state, 206 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: anti capitalist politics have been seen as a legitimate force 207 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: in Greek society for a long time. There's also a 208 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: lot of stray dogs there, not just I was. 209 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: Like, when are we getting back, We're back to the dogs. 210 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: Dogs, there'd be dogs, and I told this would be 211 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: a happy dog episode. 212 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: It is. There's going to be more. There's still more 213 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: in between every big stories of its stories, the Russian 214 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: Nestine Dolls of the podcast world. So there's a lot 215 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: of stray dogs in Athens. Greece tries to vaccinate, sterilize, 216 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: and track the stray dogs. They don't they don't euthanize, 217 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: and they haven't had the success of the Netherlands so far, 218 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: but they do actually have done a lot of work 219 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: in this direction. Cool, and it's going to be a 220 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: story about the dogs, but now we're going to talk 221 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: about the riots that made those dogs famous. 222 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: So you tease me by saying the word dog a 223 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: couple times, and now we're okay. 224 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: Talking about a guy again. Human. Yeah, there's molotovs. I 225 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: was like, almost as good as a dog. It's like, okay, 226 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: it's like yeah, but there's like there's a big gap 227 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: right between molotovs and dogs, but there's not a lot 228 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: of stuff between them. You know, there's like people and 229 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: they're okay, and then there's molotoss are good, and then 230 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: there's like lots of dead air, and then there's dogs 231 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: at the top of everything in the hierarchy of trying 232 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: to get. 233 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: Sophie's all right, just get on with it. 234 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: There's this fifteen year old kid who likes hanging out 235 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: in the streets of Xarkia named Alexandro's Grigoropolos. And on 236 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: December sixth, two thousand and eight, Alexandros was hanging out 237 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: in the streets with his friends when they got into 238 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: a verbalttercation with the cops. The cops actually got orders 239 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: from higher up to leave it alone, and the cops 240 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: were like, now, fuck that, they parked, They came over, 241 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: they started yelling at the kids. The kids didn't back down, 242 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: and the cops murdered Alexandros. They murdered a fifteen year old. 243 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: They claimed that their shot was a ricochet. The autopsy 244 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: disagree it. Yeah, shocker there really, yeah, really total news 245 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: to everyone. Within an hour, the riots started. Within two days, 246 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: there were twenty eight cities across Greece that were on fire. 247 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: Basically Athens was burning, Malthous were everywhere. The police station 248 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Outpost Nicksarkia was firebombed by a crowd of one hundred people. 249 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: Students went on strike everywhere. Labor unions went on strike. 250 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: Air traffic controllers shut down dozens of flights because they 251 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: went on strike. And it was about Alexandro's but it 252 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: was about more than that. It was about the failing economy. 253 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight, as everyone will recall, was a 254 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: really great time for everyone economically. It was about increasing 255 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: financial inequality, and it was about authoritarian control of the state. 256 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: It was about people's demands to live lives of self determination. 257 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: So a private company that kept records of individual debt 258 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: was burned. Their records were burned. Protesters shot out the 259 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: tires of a police bus with AK forty seven. By 260 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: the end of this even some cops went on strike 261 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: and protested against this. Is this like actually surprised me. 262 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: The cops went on strike and protested against the cops. 263 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so dope. 264 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: They intended to quote totally, intending to quote state categorically 265 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: that social problems are not solved by repressive measures. Oh 266 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: do you tell cop, Yeah, there is a line at 267 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: which some cops will stop wanting to do that. 268 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: Apparently this might not. 269 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: Be dogs, but I've enjoying myself a little bit more 270 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: and I thought it would be all right. 271 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: See see, the riots lasted in full fervor for three weeks. 272 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: They lingered longer after that. There's like famous photos or 273 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: just like search like grease Christmas tree fire, and there's 274 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: like just a massive Christmas tree that they set on fire. 275 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: It's very dramatic. The police response was brutal. Isolated protesters 276 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: were beaten to an inch of their lives. A friend 277 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: of mine was actually curb stomped by police and Athens. 278 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: I think it was during this, but it might have 279 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: been during some of the protests a little bit later 280 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: than that. I talked to a Greek friend about this time, 281 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: and his perspective was that in the minds of the 282 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: average Greek person, the anarchists were about as legitimate of 283 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: a force within society as the police. Like some people 284 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: supported the anarchists, some people supported the police, and the 285 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: rest were like, well, both sides have a point, and 286 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: that is not a situation that I have ever experienced 287 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: anywhere else. A Greek woman, quoted by The Daily Beast 288 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: put it quote the day we don't tear things down 289 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: because the government murdered a child is the day we 290 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: are no longer human? And I don't know. I think 291 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: about how often people have to do that all over 292 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: the world, you know, in these clouds of tear gas. 293 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: Amongst the rock throwing, molotov throwing anarchists who were supported 294 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: by a surprising percentage of the Greek population, a hero emerged, 295 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: a hero named Canelos, the first modern riot dog. 296 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: Hell yeah. 297 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: And because every story is really complicated, it might have 298 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: been to as Heyday was before this. There's lots of 299 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: conflicting reports about exactly when he first showed up. But 300 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: this is the story we're going with. 301 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: But first, it's time four and ad break. 302 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: Oh okay, what's another thing you like? Okay for your dog? 303 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: So if you are a dog human, if you have 304 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: dogs and you are a human, you most definitely have 305 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: come across or purchased a little fluffy toy called a 306 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: lamb chop. It is a squeaky toy that is made 307 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: by this brand, Multipet. 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Sometimes we often do the unicor becaus they're very, 317 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: very very pretty, and uh they're They're awesome. And I 318 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: highly recommend the Jumbo Lamb Chop franchise. I guess hell 319 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 3: yeah toys, right Anderson. 320 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: She concurs, And here's some other ads. And we are back. 321 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: In all the pictures of all the black Cloud protesters 322 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: with rocks and molotovs, they had a friend, a medium 323 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: sized yellow dog of indeterminable breed. It's always a mutt, baby, 324 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: always a mutt. There he was barking at cops. There 325 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: he was posing with the anarchists. Canelos. Canelos was a mutt, 326 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: of course, he was a mutt. No offense to dogs 327 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: that had the misfortune of being pure bread. It's not 328 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: their fault. But of course the first ride dog is 329 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: a mutt. 330 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 331 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: His medium size and yellow and his name his name 332 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: means cinnamon. 333 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: Oh cool. 334 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: And he was on the front lines of every protest 335 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: for years. One time he tripped cops as they ran 336 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: down the steps of Syntagma Square, just like the main Yeah, 337 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah. He was legendary. He was in papers 338 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: across the world. He was inspiring and an icon. He 339 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: was also a way that journalists used to like flatten 340 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: the struggle right, because they'd be like, I don't know, 341 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: Greeks are rioting. Here's a dog that is not his fault. 342 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: It's not fault that he was also adorable, I know, 343 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: I know. Like every legend, it's hard to peace out 344 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: what's true and what's not. There are three famed and 345 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: named riot dogs from Greece from the twenty eight or 346 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: twenty twelve and possibly earlier than that, and they all 347 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: look really similar. Sometimes people claim they are related, Sometimes 348 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: people claim they are the same dog. Sometimes the heroic 349 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: deeds of one are conflated with the deeds of another. 350 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm certain I will get some stuff wrong here across 351 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: and every source I could they all disagree and they're 352 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: all anecdotal. It's possible that Canelos actually died in two 353 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: thousand and eight before these particular protests, and it was 354 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: one of his other yellow dogs that was these ones. 355 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: But all these dogs were loved, and all these dogs 356 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: fought hard, and we're going to talk about how they fought. 357 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: Canelos he ruled. He gave people hope, and he basically 358 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: was like, hey, the street dogs are street dogs are 359 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: with you. As he aged, he started to get arthritis, 360 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: and student protesters got him a wheelchair for his back 361 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: legs and then helped him along for more marches. There's 362 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: photos of him like being helped along on these marches, 363 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: and he's just happy and old. He retired and lived 364 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: inside the Polytechnic, the university that brought down the fucking dictatorship. 365 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: At one point, the dog catcher was called on him 366 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: and the students were vaulted until he was freed good 367 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: and he lived among the students until his death at 368 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: roughly seventeen years old. Next to Rise, Yeah, next to 369 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: Rise in fame Leucanicos, who is sometimes said to be 370 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: Canelos's kid. That might be true, I don't know, but 371 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: street dogs are often sterilized in Greece, and I think 372 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: Lucanicos at least was sterilized based on it did a 373 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: lot of weird research. I was like reading the pieces 374 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: written by the people who handle the stray dogs in Greece, 375 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: as I was trying to figureut which dogs are which 376 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: Lucanicos is the next generation famed riot dog and since 377 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: this is Greece, the next generation of riots is less 378 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: than three years later. 379 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 380 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: In twenty ten, the Greek economy was fucked, so it's 381 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: leaders were like, hey, what if we got the International 382 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: Monetary Fund to bail us out in exchange agree to 383 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: all kinds of austerity measures that entirely fuck over everyone 384 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: living in the country. And the other leaders they all 385 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: nodded their heads and were like, this is indeed a 386 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: wise course of action, and not only will it be good, 387 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: but people will accept it all right. Shockingly, they were wrong. Yeah, 388 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: the Greek population was like, actually, we like having a 389 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: social safety net and a society that believes in taking 390 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: care of one another instead of all pretending like we 391 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: want to be America but poor and fuck each other 392 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: over all the time, people saw no reason why they 393 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: had to pay for unpopular and bad decisions made by 394 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: their leaders, and they had no interest in going along 395 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: with these austerity measures. So you've got what's called the 396 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: anti Asterity movement, and it was riots and general strikes 397 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: starting in a militant fashion. In June twenty eleven, when 398 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: the Greek Parliament voted to agree to the austerity stuff. 399 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: The protests started out kind of peaceful. Cops were soon like, 400 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: fuck you get the fucking line, We're going to hit 401 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: you and poison you and fuck you up. So people 402 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: were like, I'm doing a lot of paraphrasing here. These 403 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: are not direct quotes. People were like, wow, I don't 404 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: want to get in line. And also, it turns out 405 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: you can make them all tough cocktail pretty easily. All 406 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: you got to do is take a bottle and then 407 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: and where there are clouds of tear gas, where there 408 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: are armies of RoboCop right police marching in uniform is 409 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: a show that I wrote this while I was like 410 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: kind of excited and just like reading about this with 411 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: my dog in my lap. Where there are rock throwing anarchists, 412 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: there are riot dogs. Where there are protesters to be 413 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: protected and cheered up, there's leucanicos barking at cops. His 414 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: name means sausage. I like wonutiful. I know, okay. According 415 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: to a Greek person's comment quote that I just found 416 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: on a random article, because this is the only piece 417 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: that I found of anything anecdotal about this part of 418 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: it quote. Initially, Leucanicos would go to the demos with 419 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: the left wing student group EAAK, and it was only 420 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: later that he changed his political preferences and went to 421 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: demos with the anarchists. On another note, I am under 422 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: the impression that dogs are not affected by tear gas, 423 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: though one would expect them to be. I could not 424 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: justify this claim scientifically, but only from experience. Neither Leucanicos, 425 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: nor Canelos, nor any of the other dogs that joined 426 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: riots in Greece ever show any kind of effect from 427 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: the tons of tear gas that the cops constantly threw 428 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: at us. So I looked it up. It turns out 429 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: you can justify this claim scientifically. Most sites are like Oh, 430 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: dogs have more sensitive senses of smell, so they're affected more. 431 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: But this is not based on experience or study. The 432 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: opposite is true. You want to guess what group has 433 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: done the most research about tear gas and dogs without 434 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: reading ahead. 435 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at the ceiling. Probably the people that 436 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: use the tear gas. 437 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, the bad guy team, the CANA and police unit. Yeah, 438 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: they want to be able to work in cs gas 439 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: tear gas environments, so they test. 440 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: So you're telling me they tested tear gas on dogs 441 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 3: to see how it would affect them and didn't think about, 442 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 3: you know, the negative impacts of that. 443 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: Is that what you're telling me? 444 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: That is what I'm telling you, fucking. 445 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: Cops acap geez christ. 446 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, But both the anecdotal experience of protesters and the 447 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: scientific study of putting dogs into tear gas chambers reveals 448 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: that dogs are not particularly affected by tear gas, not 449 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: to the same degree that humans are, because dogs are better. Yes, 450 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: that's the big part of it. Dogs have tear ducks 451 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: that are like ten times the size of human tear 452 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: ducks because they they have ten times as many emotions 453 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: and not just in proportion to their body. Are the 454 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: tear ducks bigger, but like literally objectively size, right, So 455 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: they flush tear gas way the fuck faster, or lachrymatory 456 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: agents way the fuck faster, including pepper spray. They've also 457 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: got what's called a nictating nictating membrane or a third eyelid. 458 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: That that's what most people call it because it's easier 459 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: to spell and pronounce that hangs out on the inside 460 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: corner of their eye. It's very effective at protecting their 461 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: eyes and spreading tears across their eyes. They also don't 462 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: have sweat glands, so they don't absorb the chemicals and 463 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: many in as many places, there are long term health effects. 464 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: You should not intentionally expose your dog to tear gas. 465 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: Looking at you canine units. You should just let all 466 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: your dogs tire yep, Lucanicos, and then you should yourself retire. Actually, 467 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: Lucanicos won even more hearts around the world than his 468 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: maybe dad did. In twenty eleven, he was nominated for times. 469 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: I remember that the only time. 470 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 3: Bro was like fuck, yeah, yeah, totally rooting for you. 471 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: And it's funny because they had already changed it from 472 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: Man of the Year to Person of the Year, you know, 473 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: and so like I just like the yeah. And then 474 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: one time when cops went on strike, and this might 475 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: have been the two thousand and nine time, and it 476 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: might have been a twenty eleven time, and I do 477 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: not know, but it was presented as Lucanicos doing it, 478 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: so it might have been. There were cops on both 479 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: sides of the protests and Lucanicos didn't know what to do. 480 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: But then the non striking cops started beating up the 481 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: striking cops and he sided with the cops who were 482 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: on strike. 483 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: Of course he did, because he's a good boy. 484 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was another dog named the Doris, or maybe 485 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: they're the same dog. The people who tracks stray dogs 486 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: in Athens say it's the same dogs. Oh, I don't know. 487 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: I think it means like Theodore. 488 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 2: I think it's just age. 489 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah there was a trend, no I I yeah, no, 490 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: there's there's shockingly like when we talk to some of 491 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: the when we talk about some of the other South 492 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: American riot dogs in a little bit very different naming conventions. 493 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: So Theodorus might have been Lucanicos might not have been 494 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: all the whatever, they're all great because also these are 495 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: just the name dogs. There's like fuck tons of dogs 496 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: doing all this stuff, and they're just like always there 497 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: and they're always helping people out. And Lucanicos was the 498 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: people's dog for much of his life. He had a 499 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: collar with his vaccination status that was given to him 500 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: by the stray dog people, and he was welcome at 501 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: every squat and organizing center in the city. But he 502 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: didn't stay put. He would hoop around from one place 503 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: to another. He basically couchsurf across the movement. And in 504 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, after a year on the front lines of 505 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: this particular protest, possibly longer depending on whatever whatever, in 506 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: twenty twelve he was adopted more formally by a guy 507 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: and given a loving home. He had food, water, tick collars, 508 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: veterinary care, and safety, and he lived another two years 509 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: and he died peacefully in his sleep in twenty fourteen. 510 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: He was buried in the shade of a tree on 511 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: a hill in the center of Athens, and he died 512 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: at about ten years of age. And the reason he 513 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: died young is probably the veterinary. Report says that it 514 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: was in part due to all the tear gass he'd 515 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: ingested over the years. There's a bunch of monuments and 516 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: murals in his honor. He's a character in the twenty 517 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: twenty video game Tonight We Riot Cool. Yeah, So I 518 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: started off this episode as kind of a cute like 519 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: look its dogs being cool, but honestly, like the more 520 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: I was like writing about it, reading about it and 521 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: all that. Like, Lucanicos is as much our comrade as anyone. 522 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: He worked tirelessly to keep people safe and keep people's 523 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: spirits lifted. And like everyone, he hated cops and he 524 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: sacrifices health to keep people safe. Long live Lucanicos. 525 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, I. 526 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: Want to take a quick detour to the next country 527 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: over to Turkey. Turkey doesn't give us. 528 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: I got to talk about humans now. 529 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: No, very little, maybe a little bit. I'm sorry. The 530 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: humans provide the context that all the dogs live in. 531 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah yet no, no, fair enough. 532 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: Turkey doesn't give us any named personalities of riot dogs, 533 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: at least not that have made it to the Western media. 534 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: But it has a beautiful story, which is that there 535 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: the struggle goes both ways. The dogs fight for the 536 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: people and the people fight for the dogs. Because in 537 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, Turkey passed a law against euthanizing strays, 538 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: joining the parts of the world that actually took this 539 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: problem seriously. I'm tried and failing to keep my opinion 540 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: out of this issue. The government keeps trying to go 541 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: back to euthanasia, and people keep saying like, no, fuck you, 542 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: we are not going back to this. And it was 543 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: this oh fuck no attitude that got the two thousand 544 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: and four law passed in the first place, and whenever 545 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: municipalities do it anyway, people get real fucking upset at them. 546 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: But there's unlike Germany and the Netherlands, there's a ton 547 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: of stray dogs in Turkey. They're generally not seen as 548 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: a problem. A recent survey says that about a third 549 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: of the population sees them as a threat. While there's 550 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of organizations that sterilize and release strays, they 551 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: put ear tags on them to mark them. There aren't 552 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: enough of these programs yet, and pets can still be 553 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: bought in stores, so a lot of people buy them 554 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: and then abandon them. But on the other hand, there's 555 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: a ton of cafes and such that care for the animals, 556 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: and there's a bit of an attitude. There's more of 557 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: an attitude of like, these are our dogs than is 558 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: commonly found in more western countries. So people fight for 559 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: the dogs. And then in twenty thirteen, like as they should. Yeah, no, totally, yeah, yeah, yeah, 560 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: all of the stuff of like oh we took care 561 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: of these dogs who took care of us on the streets, 562 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: like they make me really happy. So in twenty thirteen 563 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: you've got the Gezi Park protests. There's a park in 564 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: Istanbul called Toxin Gezi Park, and in twenty thirteen the 565 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: government was like, what if this was a shopping mall 566 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: instead of a park, And the people of Vistabul were like, 567 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: what if the fuck it was not? So it started 568 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: with people occupying the park to prevent development. For two 569 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: weeks they occupied the place, and then it spread all 570 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: over Turkey. Like all major movements, it was about a 571 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: lot of things. It was about the park, it was 572 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: about public space. It was about free speech and assembly, 573 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: about having spaces not be just about places you buy 574 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: and sell shit. It was also about fuck ertigan and authoritarianism. 575 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: It was also about environmentalism. And then I really like 576 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: this part. The government called them all looters. So the 577 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: protesters rather than be like, we're not looters, we're the 578 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: good protesters unlike the bad protesters. Just all of the 579 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: protesters were like, yeah, we're looters. That's the name, that's 580 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: that's the word for us. The word is louter cool. Eventually, 581 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: the moment passed. Urdigan is still in power, but Guzie 582 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: Park is still there. It did not become a mall. 583 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: And the dogs who lived in the park were part 584 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: of the protest, and all the dogs who were around 585 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: the surrounding area, and they were showing up as riot dogs, 586 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: and they were, you know, defending people and fighting back 587 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: against the police. And there were also pets would come 588 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: out and they'd have signs around their necks and stuff, 589 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: and they would have like signs that say things like 590 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: close the park and I'll shit in the mall. Cops 591 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: were particularly brutal to the dogs in these protests, leaving 592 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: us with photos of people washing pepper spray out of 593 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: some good boy's eyes. And the news wants you to 594 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: believe that these dogs were there because of the commotion, 595 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: that they weren't there to defend the park, but this 596 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: was their home. Militarized police came in and the dogs 597 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: joined people fighting back against police coming into their home. 598 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: I think all of them are good pups. 599 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if there's one thing dogs are gonna do, 600 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: it's gonna protect their territory. 601 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and the people who care for them. 602 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 603 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: And finally, we're gonna talk about the most famous riot 604 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: dog of the mall, who has the coolest name. But first, 605 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: but first, when I what is my dog like? When 606 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm driving my dog around in my giant truck, I 607 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: have a little like folding dog crate that he doesn't 608 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: stay in, but the entire backseat I put the crate 609 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: in so he has a place to lie down and 610 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: feel safe. And then also while he's laying down, it's 611 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: like safer if I get into an accident or whatever. 612 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: I really like my travel crate. I have no idea 613 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: the brand. 614 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: I have one as well in my car. 615 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 616 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Anderson is like a soft thing. She can go 617 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 3: in there if she wants to. She doesn't have to. 618 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 619 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: If I'm on the freeway, I always zip it up. 620 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 3: It's very safe. It's buckled in. M nice, drive safely 621 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 3: with your own Yeah. 622 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: And then these other ads, and we're back and we're 623 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: going to talk about El Negro Matapolcos fuck yeah, the 624 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: Black cop killer, sometimes just El Negro the Black, which 625 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: means that I get to talk about the Argentinians student Uprising, 626 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: as is my way of getting everyone to hear about 627 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: all these protest movements. Context context, the Argentinian student uprising 628 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: of twenty eleven to twenty thirteen, sometimes called the Chilean 629 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: Winter because most of it happened in the first winter. 630 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: And I always talk about these huge protest movements and 631 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: uprisings from fifty one hundred, two hundred years ago, but 632 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: it's worth remembering these happen all the time. I'm sure 633 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: another one is coming. You can just wait or not wait, 634 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: whatever float your boat. In Chile, most education is privatized, 635 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: and it was getting more so. Tuition was going up. 636 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: The rich, we're getting good educations. The poor, we're not 637 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: getting good educations. People didn't like this. It turns out 638 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: people don't like when that happens. The uprising was also 639 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: about economic inequality, lack of opportunities for people to lead 640 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: dignified lives, and the protests led to hundreds of injured protesters, 641 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: hundreds of injured police officers, and one dead student, and 642 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: once again in the tear gas, a hero arrived, a 643 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: medium sized black mutt, always a mutt with floppy ears 644 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: and a red bandana and an unwavering commitments of justice. Yeah, 645 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: and I actually I have more details about him than 646 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: any of the others. 647 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: Let's go. 648 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: Mattapacos wasn't actually a stray dog, not really sort of 649 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: half stray. He was a stray who mostly stayed with 650 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: a woman named Maria compos who took him in and 651 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: kept a bed for him and fed him, but let 652 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: him come and go whenever he wanted. And she basically like, 653 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 1: one day fed this stray and he was like, yeah, 654 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: I like it here, I'll stay here. At first, she 655 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: gave him a cape that he wore, but after he 656 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: came home soaked by a police water cannon, she switched 657 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: to a bandana, and sometimes it was red and sometimes 658 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: it was blue. She'd change it up on different days 659 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: whenever a protest would pop off. There's like, there's a 660 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: video of her talking about this. Whenever a protest would 661 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: pop off, he'd scratch at the door, desperate to go 662 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: out and get into the fray. So Maria would bless him, 663 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: drawing a cross on his head with her thumb to 664 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: protect him from evil in danger. Then open the door 665 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: and he'd go running downtown to the protests. I think 666 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: she lived near downtown, but sometimes he took the bus 667 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: by himself. I think I've seen video footage of him 668 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: on a bus and he's not with anyone. 669 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: That's actually, uh, there's several dogs that have done that. 670 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, it's so cute. Yeah. One day Maria was 671 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: like randomly downtown and saw her own dog leading a 672 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: march of students on the next street over or whatever. 673 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: Students referred to him as a reincarnated student. And a 674 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: lot of mythologizing has been done around Motapacos. And it's 675 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: beautiful because it's less as compared to poor Lucanicos, where 676 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: it got flattened in the media and other countries. This 677 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: this feels like it was like mythbuilding by movements. And 678 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: also I mean whatever, it's all all these things. Okay, 679 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: So a lot of dogs would march with the students, 680 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: they would attack police, they would defend students. In a 681 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: short documentary about Motopacos, the filmmaker asks some students, have 682 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: you ever seen a dog defend the police? The students reply, no, 683 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: not even those who walk with them. 684 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 2: Ha ha. 685 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: And in a material sense, the dogs, often dozens at 686 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: a time, offer these protests a lot of things. They're 687 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: unafraid of chemical weapons and fire hoses. They would like 688 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: literally like Rentro would totally do this. They basically play 689 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: with the fire hose water. You know. They're like, oh, yeah, 690 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that water, you know. And yeah, they 691 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 1: form a physical buffer in front of protest sometimes, so 692 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: there's footage of water hose tanks on the tanks, like 693 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: not tanks of water, but you know, big things on 694 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: wheels whatever. Yeah, unable to advance because they can't effectively 695 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: clear the dogs off the street. They also serve as icons, 696 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: and I mean that in the religious sense when the 697 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: while the church during these protests was up there with 698 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,479 Speaker 1: the state and the police is one of the major 699 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: repressive forces that people are fighting against. Yeah, he was 700 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: essentially canonized in a folk Catholic way, right, you have people, 701 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, doing the blessings and all that stuff, and 702 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: there's images of him with a halo, and he just 703 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: became a living symbol of revolt. Him and the other 704 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: dogs street dogs defending the streets from those who tried 705 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: to deny it. Since street dogs they're defending the streets 706 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: from those who try to like deny the streets to 707 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 1: the people, they become this like clear example of downtrodden 708 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: fighting back and just being like, no, we've got this, 709 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: We're doing this together. And he was not so soon. 710 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: Matapacos was not the only dog with a bandana tight 711 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: around its neck. Basically, everyone like started going around and 712 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: giving all the riot dogs bandanas, and it became the 713 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: symbol of it. There's a twenty thirteen documentary about him 714 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: called Matapaco that's on YouTube and as English subtitles. If 715 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: your Spanish is as bad as mine, and he's just 716 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: he's really fucking cool. He he survives all of this. 717 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: He is a dog, so he doesn't live as long 718 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 1: as people. El Negro Motapacos died peacefully on Saturday August 719 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: twenty sixth, twenty seventeen. He was maybe sixteen or seventeen 720 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: years old. I've also seen twelve, but most of the 721 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: time I see sixteen or seventeen. 722 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 3: I'll never forgive whoever made that decision to make dogs 723 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 3: lives so short. 724 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: That is fair. I it is an unforgivable thing that 725 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: has been done. 726 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 2: Whatever whoever decided that, fuck you. 727 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he was surrounded by his loved ones and 728 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: there are uncountable murals carrying him on. And as for 729 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: the protests itself, I don't think it's accurate to talk 730 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: about protests movements like winning and losing. The student movement 731 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: didn't win its demands, it laid the groundwork for another 732 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: uprising in twenty nineteen. But it's better to just see 733 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: history as this ebb and flow of energy and power, 734 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,439 Speaker 1: a fight between liberation and repression. We win by being 735 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: on the side of liberation, of education, of workers' rights, 736 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: of dignity, of helping out the street dogs. And in 737 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, two years after his death, the black Cop 738 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: Killer became a symbol once more as the country sprung 739 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: into revolt. A black dog with a red bandana is 740 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: now the symbol of revolt for much of the world. 741 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: Statues of dog. 742 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 3: I was going to say, like, people probably don't even 743 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 3: realize that that this image is super popular. You probably 744 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 3: don't even realize you've seen it. But it's it's everywhere. Yeah, 745 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 3: and it's dope. Yeah, it's so good. 746 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: I really like people will go up to statues of dogs, 747 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: like any random statue of a dog in a public place, 748 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: entire red bandana around its neck. Yeah, and red bandanas 749 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: we've talked about before on the show as a symbol 750 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: of going back at least as far as the Battle 751 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: of Blair Mountain in West Virginia, which you can listen 752 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: to our episode from last year about when black and 753 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: white miners tied red bandanas around their necks and went 754 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: to a literal war against the coal companies that were 755 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: murdering them. And this might be and might not be 756 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: the origin of the term redneck. And so I like 757 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: this continuation of the red bandana as a symbol in 758 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,919 Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty protests. He've got two 759 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: more named riot dogs that come up Pepe Matapacos and Elvakita, 760 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,720 Speaker 1: which means the little cow. El Waqita won the twenty 761 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: nineteen Character of the Year award in his city of Antofagasta. 762 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: I suspect it was a person of the year until Elakita. 763 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: You know that's so cool. Yeah, And protesters had his 764 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: back as well. A little cow. One time he got 765 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: lost in a neighborhood and he didn't know he didn't 766 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: know this particular neighborhoo after a particularly tough fight with 767 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: the police, so protesters used Facebook to coordinate a rescue 768 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: of him, and then someone walked him back to the 769 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: streets he did know, so that he could find his 770 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: way home and when cops he survives this when cops 771 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: shot him with a rubber bullet. Protesters get him, get 772 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: him to the vet, because we keep us safe includes animals. 773 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: And there's one more. There's one more. Yes, we're gonna 774 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: talk about another stire dog. 775 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 2: This one. 776 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: This one's a goat, but still an honorary dog. Biquette 777 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: the grind were. 778 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 3: Saying the greatest of all time, and then I was like, 779 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 3: I was like, oh. 780 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: No, she means like a yeah, yeah, no, a literal goat. 781 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, totally when in doubt I am not 782 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: successfully using contemporary slang. 783 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 3: Is That's why I was like confused for a second. 784 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 3: I was like, like, don't think that we're getting into 785 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,720 Speaker 3: Lebron James today. 786 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: So yeah, who I'm aware of as a player of basketball, 787 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: Hell yeah you are, probably because of you. So yep. 788 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: Biquett the grindcore goat. Biquett was a goat who loved grindcore, 789 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,479 Speaker 1: thus the grindcore goat. Grindcore is this really extreme punk 790 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: metal genre. It goes really fast, the songs are like 791 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: really short, and people scream about stuff. The anarchist band 792 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: Napalm Death is probably the most famous band that played grindcore. 793 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: They're in the Guinness Book World Records for the shortest 794 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: song ever recorded. You Suffer is one point three to 795 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: one six seconds long, so not very long songs. Biquett 796 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: lived on a punk rock farm. Have you ever seen 797 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: the video the photos of this m m oh, you 798 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: should look up Biquett b I q U E T 799 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: t E. Yeah. 800 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 3: This fucking goat is so metal. 801 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. Biquett lived on everyone at home. If you're if 802 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: you're not out doing a thing, you should if you 803 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 1: haven't already seen his images. Biquette lived on a punk 804 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: rock farm. And I can't pronounce French words, and I 805 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: try hard, less harder than other countries for some reason 806 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: in Mariok, France and this farm through shows, and she 807 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: hung out with every band that toured, and she was 808 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: always in the audience at every show, and pictures of 809 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: her go viral every now and then. And the name 810 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: Bequtt the goat translates to goat the goat because Biquett 811 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,320 Speaker 1: means a young female goat. The punks at Mariok rescued 812 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: her from a slaughterhouse when she was five years old. Basically, 813 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: she'd been a milk goat. When she stopped producing enough, 814 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: she was going to get sent to the slaughter, but 815 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: then the punks were like, give her to us instead, 816 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: and she spent the next and last five years of 817 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,280 Speaker 1: her life listening to punk sleeping in front of speakers, 818 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: trying to eat everyone's cigarette butts and drink everyone's half 819 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: empty beers, and basically living her best life. One of 820 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: the people on the farm named Flow said about her quote, 821 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: she was most connected to grind seen as the barn 822 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: floor where we throw the concerts. As wooden, I think 823 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: think that she felt the vibrations in her hoofs the 824 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: majority of the time. She even laid down next to 825 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: the speakers. She died young on December ninth, twenty thirteen. 826 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: A goat can live fifteen years easily, but she died 827 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: at ten years old. However, she got to live five 828 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: years as the punk rock goat instead of dying at five, 829 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: which is what her actual fate would have been if 830 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 1: the punks hadn't intervened. And there are many, many more, 831 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: very good dogs of many different species. And I'm sure 832 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: I'll return to this topic in the future, but for now, 833 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: go hug a dog, including cat dogs and goat dogs 834 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: and parrot dogs, don't hug bears or wolves. They're not dogs. 835 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: They're great too, but they don't need your hugs unless 836 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: you work at a wildlife sanctuary or some shit. That's 837 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: what I got. So I got about good dogs. I 838 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: love this. 839 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 840 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what to do this week, and then 841 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm doing dogs. Yeah, dog time. 842 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 2: It's good. 843 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 3: It's good doggo time, which is you know, every day 844 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 3: at my house. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Do you have 845 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 3: anything you'd like to plug? Oh? 846 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm working on a tabletop roleplaying game called p 847 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 1: Number City that you can back on Kickstarter if it 848 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,479 Speaker 1: is currently June twenty twenty three. If it is before 849 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: June twenty twenty three, you can look for it on 850 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: Kickstarter and sign up for notifications. 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When I was telling when I was telling 888 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 3: our internal team that we were doing this, and you know, 889 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 3: being like, yeah, we're doing this, people get more money. 890 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 3: Hey uh, I just like had the graphic up and 891 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 3: none of them knew what it was, and I was like, 892 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 3: this is great, right, Like what the fuck are you 893 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 3: talking about? 894 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: Visual puns that not they're not the right audience for it. 895 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I we're an audio medium. They don't get they 896 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,760 Speaker 3: don't get the visual stuff it happens. 897 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,720 Speaker 1: But you can get that visual as well as mostly audio. 898 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 3: And speaking of visuals, if you would like to see 899 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 3: photos of my dog, you can follow me on the interwebs. 900 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 3: I'm at Why Underscore, Sophie Underscore, Why on Twitter where 901 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 3: I post stuff of Anderson. But it basically my entire 902 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 3: Instagram is just Anderson content daily and that is at 903 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 3: Sophie Underscore, Ray Underscore of Underscore Sunshine. There's probably other 904 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 3: Underscores in there. I'm not good at saying it out loud, 905 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 3: but Yeah, there's that, and men, Magpie, you post lots 906 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,879 Speaker 3: of photos of your dog on your Instagram. 907 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: Right, that's true. I'm at Margot Kiljoy on Instagram, at 908 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: Magpie Killjoy on Twitter, and we'll probably eventually actually start 909 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 1: looking at blue sky. At the moment I don't. 910 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 2: It probably will praps like a dog. 911 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 1: Bye everyone. 912 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 3: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of 913 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 3: cool Zone Media. 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