1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. They invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: to Coast, am employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: Hi. 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: On each episode, will discuss the reasons we now know 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife on our 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: time together. Today, you'll meet Amy Call, who had a 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 3: profound near death experience as a result of an allergic 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: reaction to medication She gained much wisdom from the other side, 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: including how our world mirrors the afterlife, the importance of 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 3: our humanly experiences, and she even met a young woman 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: in the afterlife whose words she used to comfort the 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 3: mother upon her return to earth. We have to thank 26 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: our friends at ians dot org for this great episode. 27 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: Ions is the International Association for Near Death Studies, where 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: you can find their yearly conference, local groups, and thousands 29 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 3: of near death experience stories. Now let's meet Amy. 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: I come from a large family, six kids, and very 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: strong in our religion and politics. When I was about 32 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: four years old, I overheard my mom down the hallway 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: and I heard her talking about something heard the word cancer, 34 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: and I didn't understand what cancer was, but I sensed 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: in her tone that something wasn't okay. Even at a 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: very young age, I was always very sensitive. So I 37 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: heard her bringing up cancer and I go to my 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: mom and I was asking her what is cancer? And 39 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: she had to explain to me what that was, That 40 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: people have cancer and sometimes bad things can happen from that. 41 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: And even at a young age, I really had this 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: strong belief in well there's a God and okay, well 43 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: he can fix it. And she said, well, sometimes people 44 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: aren't fixed, you know, sometimes God lets people suffer and 45 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: die and sometimes it doesn't work out the way that 46 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: we might want it to. And I just kept thinking, 47 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: but if this person is suffering at a certain point, 48 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: can't we just pray and God can fix it. So 49 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: that was my first understanding that they're suffering in the world. 50 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: So that was my big mind blow at age four, 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: and it kind of sent me into a spiral because 52 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: I became ultra aware after that of suffering and I 53 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: almost was like a magnet to it. Now, I already 54 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: had the sensitive nature where I felt one with everything, 55 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: and I think this came even before that age. I 56 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: had a difficult time separating myself from others, and it 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: wasn't just people, it was animals, plants, everything that was 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: I felt very connected. Always being so ultra aware of 59 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: suffering in the world was very difficult for me because 60 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: I soon realized I was responding differently than other people 61 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: that I was around, and I didn't understand why, how 62 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: come when we hear on the news that people in 63 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: Africa are going through such and such, why is everyone 64 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: not in a ball on the floor crying as if 65 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: it's their own children, because to me, when I heard 66 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: this is happening to the little girls there, you might 67 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: as well have told me my child, my own daughter 68 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: is going through this. That's how I felt it. It 69 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: was so devastating. And then to live in the world 70 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 1: where we have this access to information all the time 71 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: and people are always telling us these incredible things that 72 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: are going on. I just felt bombarded all the time 73 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: and devastated. And I felt confused too. Like I said, 74 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: I didn't understand why other people weren't responding the same. 75 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: They'd go out and have a party and be laughing, 76 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, didn't you hear that someone was just kidnapped? 77 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: And it was kind of goring for me to be 78 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: this way, And so I went through what we could 79 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: call depression. Then when I was upset, it was like, oh, well, 80 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: she's experiencing depression. I remember being four years old and 81 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: telling my dad if things are like this, I don't 82 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: want to be here. I can't handle it. I can't 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: be in this place where there's this much suffering and 84 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: it looks like God's not fixing it. And so I 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: started becoming attracted to the idea of dying. At the 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: same time, I had this fear come in about yes, 87 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: I want to die, but I don't want to be 88 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: on the other side either, because if there's a God 89 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: that could allow this to happen, why would I be 90 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: so excited to go there with this person like this, 91 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: who had remote control to our lives, and who could 92 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: favor that person and then hurt that person. I was 93 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: in this in between place that was neither here nor there, 94 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: and it was very upsetting for me. My mom was 95 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: diagnosed with fibromyalgia and my grandmother had ankylosiane spondylitis. I was, 96 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: of course close to both of them, and they both 97 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: went through constant suffering and pain, and this was very 98 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: difficult for me. I was especially close with my grandma 99 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: went there for refuge to her home, and it was 100 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: very hard for me to hear her crying and go 101 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: through to the chiropractor and overhear her. I was constantly praying. 102 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: I was constantly asking God, please, please, please. Once they 103 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: prove that they're good, can you just please bless them 104 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: and let them be free of their suffering and pain. 105 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes we'd see certain people feel better, but a lot 106 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: of times I didn't see things get better. So I 107 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: was always praying, and I did hear a lot. If 108 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: you pray and you have faith, then the blessings come. 109 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: I got to the point where, when I was about sixteen, 110 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: I think the concern came in from my parents. Obviously, 111 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, they were concerned I was standing out in 112 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: certain ways as being kind of different. It wasn't that 113 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: I was just this depressed, morbid person going along. I 114 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: didn't like being that way. I didn't know how else 115 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: to be. I really couldn't imagine being a way where 116 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: I disconnected, because that's all I could get from people. 117 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: They'd say, well, just don't think about it. I thought, really, 118 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: if your child is going through something that devastating, do 119 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: you just not think about it. So I was sent 120 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: to the psychiatrist as a teenager. At age sixteen, I 121 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,119 Speaker 1: was diagnosed as bipolar. After I went in and the 122 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: psychiatrist handed me a worksheet, I had this fantasy that 123 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: I would go in and this wise man with a 124 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: nice long beard would have the answers and he would 125 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 1: be able to explain everything to me, and he would 126 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: say the reasons why and I would get it, and 127 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: then I would say, oh, I get it, and things 128 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: would be better. But I didn't ever get that. He 129 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: just handed me the worksheet and it said things like, 130 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: are you sometimes very happy? Are you sometimes very sad? 131 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: Have you ever wanted to die? And yes, yes, yes, 132 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: And he came back in the room and skimmed over 133 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: and he said, sounds like you're bipolar. So he sent 134 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: me out and I went and got my prescriptions for 135 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: very heavy medication and I started in the world of 136 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: being heavily medicated after that, and I felt very big difference. 137 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: It's hard to put into words, but I didn't feel 138 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: connected to maybe my heart or my passions. And in 139 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: a way I could see like, Okay, well, maybe there's 140 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: some good to this, because I can feel that I 141 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: can't even care as much as I did before. But 142 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: it was in a number of ways. I also lost 143 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: my passion for some of the things that were beautiful 144 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: and good. And at age seventeen, I woke up one 145 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: morning and I felt that I couldn't breathe, and my 146 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: whole body felt pulverized. It was like I had been 147 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: in an accident. In fact, I didn't know what had happened, 148 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: but I was sure something must have happened, and I 149 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: must have forgotten. I was in bed and tried to 150 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: scream because the pain was so incredible from head to toe, 151 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: and I couldn't take a breath. As soon as I 152 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: breathed into scream, I had to stop because my chest area, 153 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: the torso, was so inflamed. I didn't dare even try 154 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: to breathe in and I just started crying. And I 155 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: was diagnosed to age seventeen with fibromyalgia, and they sent 156 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: me home on lots of pain meds for that. And 157 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: at eighteen I reached this point where I kind of 158 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: hit a wall. I don't like the feeling of these medications, 159 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: and then of course if i'd stop, my brain would 160 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: kind of freak out because you can't just take something 161 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: that heavy and then just stop, and people would say, well, see, 162 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: you need your medications. So I was going back and 163 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: forth and really struggling, and at eighteen we had this 164 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: day where all the right factors seemed to come in 165 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: at the same point, and I did hit that place 166 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: where I couldn't take it anymore. It wasn't planned, it 167 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: was kind of spontaneous. I just knew that I wanted 168 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: to get out, and I took every pill that I 169 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: could find. It almost felt animalistic. The way that I 170 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: reacted it was from another place, beyond a thinking place. 171 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: That wasn't where my NDE came in. But just to 172 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: give you a background of where I come from, this 173 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: is part of my background. So obviously I made it 174 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: through that. At age twenty one, I did what I 175 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: was supposed to do. I got married and I started 176 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: having children, and I was trying to follow the list 177 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: of what you do if you have faith, if you're 178 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: doing the right things and instead of the wrong things, 179 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: and if you follow what we're taught, and so I 180 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: was trying to do everything, and I wanted so desperately 181 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: for a change to happen with all the pain that 182 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: I was in and with everyone else, with the suffering 183 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: that I saw in the world. A prayer that I 184 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: repeated all the time was please let me be a 185 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: tool in my hands. I just wanted so badly to 186 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: help with the suffering, because I really did feel one 187 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: with it. And more than anything, I wanted, as I 188 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: wanted to believe, there was this God that had answers. 189 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a tool in his hands. And 190 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: I repeated this all the time. And I did believe 191 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: in miracles, and I wanted this to happen, so I 192 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: continued trying to do the right things and have faith. 193 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: I had four children, and all the while leading through 194 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: the pregnancies and what was going on, there were a 195 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: number of health factors that were coming in and things 196 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: were getting worse and worse, and I got to the 197 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: point where I was crawling on the floor instead of 198 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: walking at times because it was so painful, and holding 199 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: my babies was difficult because it hurt too much to 200 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: all of them, and I was frightened because I was 201 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: also not sleeping. The pain was so intense and the 202 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: muscle spasms I was having were so intense that at 203 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: night time I got to where I would sleep for 204 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes and then I would have to wake up. 205 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I get emotional, but I go right 206 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: back into the places that I've been, so it brings 207 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: up a lot. I would have to wake up every 208 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and at a certain point I could feel 209 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: my brain was just going, I can't do this. It 210 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: was like I would be awake, but my brain was 211 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: like I got to go to sleep. And so it 212 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: was a frightening feeling to be conscious and realize my 213 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: brain was just shutting down. 214 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: Here. 215 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: I have four kids and this family, and I kept 216 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: praying to God, something has to happen. I know you're 217 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: not going to let me just actually lose my mind 218 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: with these four kids. I just want to do what's right. 219 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: I just want to do the things that I was 220 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: taught to do. And I finally hit another point, another 221 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: milestone in this journey where I couldn't pray anymore. And 222 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: one day I just kind of hit the floor. I 223 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: just went down and landed on my knees. And I 224 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: won't get into the details of the prayer, but it 225 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: was essentially simple where I just said I know nothing. 226 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't know anything anymore. I kind of just released 227 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: everything I thought. I knew all the things I believed in. 228 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: You need to believe in this and believe in that, 229 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: and this is this, and that's that. There was nothing 230 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: anymore in my mind. I couldn't hold it all anymore 231 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: because it was too painful. I couldn't even hold on 232 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: to the belief of prayer. So I just felt my 233 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: knees and said to God, I surrender. I don't know anything, 234 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: and I'd let it all go. So shortly after this, 235 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: I was seeing the doctor checking in, and the doctor 236 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: was saying, I'm going to give you something. Because I 237 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: was so desperate. I was saying, something awful is going 238 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: to happen because things are shutting down. I'm reaching spaces 239 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: where i can't even use my brain, and I'm really frightened. 240 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: I know if I have sleep, I can do this. 241 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: I can get through the pain. So he said, I 242 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: have something. It's not typically used for sleep or pain, 243 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: but we've found by accident that it seems to help both, 244 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: and I want you to try this. 245 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: Going to stop here for our break because when we 246 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: get back, the series of medications she takes does lead 247 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 3: to her near death experience. I'm sure we can all 248 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: feel some of the pain and suffering, and Amy feels 249 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 3: that there is a happy outcome. So let's go to 250 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 3: the break and we'll be right back with the near 251 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: death experience of Amy Call. You're listening to Shades of 252 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 253 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 254 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: I'm Sander Champlain. We're listening to the near death experience 255 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 3: of Amy Call, a young woman who was diagnosed bipolar 256 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: after a few brief questions from a doctor. As a 257 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: highly sensitive woman, of course, she goes looking for answers 258 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: to her pain and suffering and gets prescribed with even 259 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: more medication, leading to her near death experience. Let's continue. 260 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm really frightened. I know if I have sleep, I 261 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: can do this. I can get through the pain. So 262 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: he said, I have something. It's not typically used for 263 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: sleep or pain, but we've found by accident that it 264 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: seems to help both, and I want you to try this. 265 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: I was kind of nervous because I had a history 266 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: of every medication they'd ever given me had given me problems, 267 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: and then they'd given me medications for those problems, and 268 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: then stuff for the problems of those problems. And at 269 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: that point I was taking something for every function that 270 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: there was to wake up, to go to sleep, to 271 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. My body wasn't working anymore without 272 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: using something. So he gives me this, and I'm just thinking, oh, 273 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: one more thing that's not going to work or feel 274 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: right in me. So I went home and I shaved 275 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: off just a little and I tried it and noticed 276 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: right away my nose was swelling up and I couldn't 277 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: breathe out of my nose, and that concerned me, and 278 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: so I went back to the doctor and said, I'm 279 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: concerned because I can't breathe out of my nose very 280 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: well when I take it. And he was kind of like, Amy, 281 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: you have a stuff. He knows. Just take the fuel holes. 282 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: You're being dramatic or whatever. He was like, trust me, 283 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: just take this three pills. So I went home. I 284 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: was holding my youngest child. I was thirty years old. 285 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: I remember my baby at the time was three months old. 286 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: This baby had come home from the hospital with loringo Malaysia, 287 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: so her throat wasn't done developing when she had come 288 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: home from the hospital, and I was told, you can 289 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: take her home. Just keep her from crying because the 290 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: throat can kind of fold in on itself, So don't 291 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: let the baby cry, you know, keep her from crying, 292 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: which was very stressful for me, dealing with everything I 293 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: was dealing with and having this situation where I'm suposed 294 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: to keep a newborn from crying. She was really upset 295 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to soothe her and get her to 296 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: go to sleep, and I'm just so exhausted, and the 297 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: room started to get dark, and I noticed this darkness. 298 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: It was kind of unusual the way it came in, 299 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: almost like when clouds just suddenly sweep over an area 300 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: and it gets surprisingly dark. But I was in the 301 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: middle of my house and the room just kind of 302 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: folded in almost with this darkness, and it was so 303 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: very black. And it might sound spooky, but to me, 304 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: there was something incredibly comforting happening in that it felt 305 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: like a quilt was coming around me and everything just 306 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: went super super black. As this happened, there was a 307 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: glow that came in over me, and I realized I 308 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: could look over and see my daughter's face. Now, she 309 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: had been a really serious baby because of all the 310 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: stuff she had gone through, and we hadn't really seen 311 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: a lot of smiling or giggling, and she just suddenly 312 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: as this glow came over, she just giggled spontaneously and smiled, 313 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: so I was able to see her smile and giggle 314 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: like that for the first time. At the same time 315 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: she did that, she closed her eyes and fell into 316 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: a really deep, RESTful sleep. The whole situation reminds me 317 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: of the cartoon I saw when I was younger, where 318 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: the blackness comes in and then at the end, the 319 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: cartoon figure comes out and says, that's all, folks. It 320 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: was a feeling almost like that. It was beautiful and comforting, 321 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: and yet I had this feeling like it's over. I 322 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: wasn't thinking that, but there was this sense of concld 323 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: pclusion and there was a peacefulness. And I took the 324 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: baby and I went and put her in her bed, 325 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: and I went to my room. My husband was in 326 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: the opposite side of the house, in the back corner, 327 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: and he was either reading or studying, so he was 328 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: back there. And I think it was like nine or 329 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: nine thirty, and I went in the room and I 330 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: just thought, I have to take the pills, and I'm 331 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: not going to worry about it anymore. I just need 332 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: to do what I need to do. And so I 333 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: went and laid down on the bed. I took my pills, 334 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: all three of them. It was like as soon as 335 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: I took it, I could feel I couldn't move, I 336 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: couldn't breathe through my nose, I couldn't open my mouth 337 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: to breathe through my mouth. I couldn't breathe at all, 338 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: and I couldn't flinch my muscles. It was almost like 339 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: I was stuck, I was paralyzed or something, and so 340 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: I went, of course into a panic in my mind, 341 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm not breathing, and I was acutely aware I can't breathe. 342 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: I can't breathe. I got to that point where I knew, 343 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: if I go any longer, that's it. It's over. And 344 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: it was just this really fast spinning in my head 345 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: of this panic, like there's nothing I can do. And 346 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: there was suddenly this suction from the top of my head. 347 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say other than that 348 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: was like a suction, and I was free. So moving 349 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: on to the next part, I didn't have to breathe. 350 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: Of course, I was coming through a portal and there 351 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: were a number of other people, and it felt totally normal. 352 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: I didn't see gold lined roads or I didn't see 353 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: angels with wings. It just was like here, except much 354 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: more intensely real. And my way of comparing this because 355 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: it's so difficult to put to words something that we 356 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: don't have strong comparisons for, as I've used TVs, like 357 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: there's the new HDTVs and we didn't know about those 358 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: back when we had the black and white or the 359 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: fuzzy colored TVs. All we knew was the TVs we had, 360 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: but now we look back at those and it's just 361 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: almost comical. They don't compare to the TVs we have now. 362 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: And there it was just so much more real and clear, 363 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: and my mind was clear, so I didn't have a 364 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: reason to think that I was dead or that anyone 365 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: else was. So I'm in this area as the people 366 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: are coming through. There's communication going on, but it's not 367 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: quite like here how I'm talking and everyone could understand 368 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: each other. And for some reason this also seemed completely natural. 369 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: In real life, I tend to be more intense or 370 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: high strung or maybe jumpy how I was, so I 371 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: would have thought that's how I would react, But here, 372 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: for some reason, fear and things like that weren't a 373 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: strong factor. So there was communication going on. I saw 374 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: a man in a certain area, and I seem to 375 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: have this understanding that he was like a mentor or 376 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: a teacher, and I went to him because I wanted 377 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: to understand what was going on. And when I talked 378 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 1: to this man, I used talk when we had an 379 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: understandings between us and communication. I wanted to know who 380 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: he was, and that's how I knew he was like 381 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: a mentor. I found out he died in a car accident. 382 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: He drove trucks as a profession. But what he was 383 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: there for was the factor of humility. And when he 384 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: was there, he was able to teach in a way 385 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: the people that were in this space the importance of humility. 386 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: And this kind of humility that I could feel from him, 387 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be what I would have expected prior to 388 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: my Nde. It wasn't like a bowing or a being small. 389 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: What he was acted like a tuning fork to that area, 390 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: and it was kind of like a gift to those 391 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: who were there to be able to just feel what 392 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: that was. And I could feel it, and it was 393 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: peaceful and it was a good thing. And he explained 394 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: to me that the people that were in this space 395 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: had brought themselves to their own demce and I kind 396 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: of understood this, almost like how we understand suicide, but 397 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: it was not necessarily how we might imagine, you know, 398 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: someone went and consciously took their life. A lot of 399 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: these situations, as I understood, were things like someone was 400 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: drunk driving and they ended up dying, or someone mixed 401 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: the wrong drugs and ended up dying or someone took 402 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: like a risk, like I'm going to jump over that 403 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: cliff and see if I make it to the other side. 404 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: It was a little different than what I would have expected, 405 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: but at the same time I kind of understood it, 406 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: almost like from their point of view, that it was 407 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: a kind of suicide in a way. He was explaining 408 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: to me that despite what he could offer the people there, 409 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: he couldn't fully teach them because true learning happens in 410 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: the body. This is a big deal to me personally, 411 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: because so much of my life was about wanting to 412 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: escape the body and wanting that for other people. And 413 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: I also grew up hearing you know, when you die, 414 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: you get to take off that glove and you get 415 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: to be free. With this understanding in this place that 416 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: true learning happens within the body, because when we are 417 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: in experience in this form, there's something that evolves within 418 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: us at soul level that makes the body an important 419 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: part of whole. That it is one's good and one's bad, 420 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: but that the two worked together in an important way. 421 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: I at one point was moving to another area and 422 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: there was another man in this cross point. I just 423 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: knew for some reason that he also was someone who 424 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: was similar to like a mentor or a type of 425 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: teacher or something. I didn't even have to ask, because 426 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: the question that was there in my mind, well, which 427 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: one is the true church? It was already in his 428 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: understanding that it was in my mind. And at the 429 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: same time that I was feeling this question, I was 430 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: in his place, seeing myself from his wisdom and knowledge 431 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: and background. The way I saw myself asking was like 432 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: a little kid who goes up to someone with maybe 433 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: some more wisdom or knowledge. And it was as if 434 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: I were saying, so, tell me which kind of cheese 435 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: is the moon made of? Is it Jack Swiss or Cheddar. 436 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: He didn't answer me with words or or even with 437 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: that telepathic communication. He smiled at me, and he just 438 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: lowered his head in a way that I understood he 439 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: was gonna let me wait a while until I was 440 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: ready to figure out what it was I really needed 441 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: to ask. I had a young woman come up to 442 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: me at a certain point where she was very very 443 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: close and intensely moved into my face like pay attention. 444 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: Not that she said that, but I could feel from 445 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: her this is important. And she started saying things like 446 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: tell them this I need you to say this, I 447 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: need you to explain that. As she was giving information 448 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: about her life, personal stuff to her, and I wasn't 449 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: sure why because I didn't recognize her. I was fine 450 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: with her. I didn't feel like I needed to get away. 451 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: She seemed nice and I wanted to be polite, and 452 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: so she gave me this information about her. She was 453 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: saying things like, tell them I'm free, tell them I'm 454 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: not in any pain. Tell them that I am happy. 455 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 1: I have joy now, she said, tell them that before 456 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: I went, I had started to sing, and that brought 457 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: me Joe and I really loved singing. There were just 458 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: a number of things that she was offering to me, 459 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: including this is what it felt like when I died, 460 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: and I could empathetically feel what she went through, which 461 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: for some reason didn't bother me. I could feel it 462 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: and it was okay. And then she wanted me to 463 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: hear her singing, and so she started singing, and I 464 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, she does have a really good voice. 465 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful voice. So that happened, and whatever point 466 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: this was, time and space are just so strange there. 467 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: I didn't even know when I came back, what do 468 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: I say happened first, second, third, But I went back 469 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: to the first man and I was saying, what are 470 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: these people here for? And he said, well, they're all deceased, 471 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: they're dead. And I said this in a way in 472 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: my head, I said, if they're dead, what am I? 473 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: He gave to me an understanding that I wasn't quite 474 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: the same as the rest of them. It was as 475 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: if I had some life left. But he was saying, 476 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: you're not the same as the rest of them, and 477 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm out here. I just knew 478 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to go out. So in one way, this 479 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: is the end of my ND, and I took off 480 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: and just left. But in another way, there was something 481 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: going on. And I say simultaneously, because again I don't 482 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: know where to place this, so I concluded that it 483 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: must have all happened at once, but there's an entirely 484 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: different portion of my ND that happened. 485 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 3: We're going to take our next break here, and when 486 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: we come back here about her simultaneous near death experience, 487 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: we'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 488 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast Coast, a m paranormal 489 00:25:38,040 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 3: podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 490 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain, and we just heard some of Amy Call's 491 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: near death experience. She thought it was over after spending 492 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: time with a woman who wanted to give a message 493 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 3: to her loved ones when she got back. Now she 494 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: moves into another experience. 495 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: There was something going on, and I say simultaneously, because 496 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 1: again I don't know where to place this, so I 497 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: concluded that it must have all happened at once. But 498 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: there's an entirely different portion of my nd that happened. 499 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: And in this other part of my NDE, it wasn't 500 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: the same as that portal experience with the people you know. 501 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: In the portal experience, I was Amy, I was my identity, 502 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: I had my connections to family, and oh my gosh, 503 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: I got to get out of here, back to where 504 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: I come from. And in the other experience, I wasn't 505 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: connected to any of it. I didn't have the stuff 506 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: that made up who I am, or I didn't have 507 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: the questions of like, well, which one is the truth? 508 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: In the other part, it was like I was just soul, 509 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: and yet in some way I retained a being that 510 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: made up this right here, and yet I was part 511 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: of all of it, and I felt one with all 512 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: of it. And in this other part, I had my 513 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: guide with me, and I was at home with my guide, 514 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: and this part was the most comforting and beautiful experience. 515 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: But just to go into some of it, my guide 516 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: was with me, and it was like I had access 517 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: to everything what struck me so strongly in my experience. 518 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: You know, if a teacher gets up at the front 519 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: and says, let me show you this math or let 520 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: me teach you this I was all of it. I 521 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: knew while I was these things, this math and this science, 522 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: and this order that was in the universe. I knew 523 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: that there was nowhere that it wasn't even if there's 524 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: a tiny bug going across the room, I knew that 525 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: that was within this math and science too, in this 526 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: beautiful order. So for me, it was beyond just beautiful, 527 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: because my life before the experience, I struggled with looking 528 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: out in the world and feeling like this really looks chaotic, 529 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: and so in my experience to be within this order 530 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: and see there was so much order, it was beyond 531 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: anything I could imagine or ever put word to. It 532 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: was incredibly beautiful and peaceful, and it's funny because also 533 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: before my experience, I couldn't stand math and science, and 534 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: it was like this huge mental block for me. I 535 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: couldn't even get to like third grade math without just 536 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: plugging my ears. I've always struggled with spatial things, time 537 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: and space and numbers and things like that because I 538 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: was someone who had to feel everything inside of me. 539 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: So having teachers in school trying to teach me something 540 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: that I couldn't step inside of and feel or taste 541 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: just didn't work for me. And then being in this 542 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: experience where I could feel it all. When I was 543 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: out in this part that I just say, I'm out 544 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: in the universe, I had this understanding that the way 545 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: everything worked in the universe was almost as if there 546 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: was like a big clockwork thing going on in the sky. 547 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: There was this reflection thing going on where the above 548 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: reflected everything here and here reflected there even within our 549 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: own bodies, and I could just be part of it. 550 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: It's not that someone sat down, like I said, and 551 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: gave me all the nitty gritty details. I could feel 552 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: it and I knew it and I trusted it because 553 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: I was it and it was perfect. So that was 554 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: of course another healing thing for me. Then this other 555 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: part that I found people called life review. Growing up, 556 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: I'd had times where my mom would say something like, 557 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: if you do something and it's not good, you're gonna 558 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: be embarrassed because you'll have to see that after you die, 559 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: and so you should be good, and things like that. 560 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: I didn't imagine it the way that it actually happened. 561 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: What happened in my life review is that it was 562 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 1: just powerfully loving and I felt almost like a totem 563 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: pole way of being. In this life review where we 564 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: have at the portal, I was more identity, and then 565 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: on this other part I was just like soul and 566 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't my identity. And in a life review, I 567 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: had this connection to the smallest part of me that 568 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: was like the little ego or whatever we want to 569 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: call it. And I had this connection also to the 570 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: part of me that's just soul. And then I had 571 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: connection to the people on the outside all around me, 572 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: and yet I could feel the oneness as well and 573 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: all the layers of everyone and everything that was. And 574 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: then I also had a connection beyond that that was source. 575 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: And I say source a lot because it feels almost 576 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: weird for me to use God since my end, because 577 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: it feels almost like I'm narrowing it. But I understand 578 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: we need words here, so I say both. But I 579 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: was connected to source as well, and it all came 580 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: together in my life review, and I could feel everyone, 581 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 1: and I could feel myself and I had compassion on 582 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: my soul and other people, the way as parents when 583 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: we have a toddler or two toddlers say they're playing 584 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: and one gets mad and pulls the block from the other, 585 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: and we're not thinking of that toddler, you're evil or 586 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: you're bad, or now you're not going to make it 587 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: to heaven, you know, or or if your toddler runs 588 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: down the hallway and trips and falls, it's not I'm 589 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: going to write that one down. I just understood everyone 590 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: like children, and I wanted for everyone, including myself, And 591 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: in that life review, I was able to feel for 592 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: myself the way we would feel for our own children. 593 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: And I had this compassion for myself where I wanted 594 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: for myself to be happier and to do better, not 595 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: as in get the higher grade, but just to be happier, 596 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: that kind of better, like have fun, lighting up, It's okay, 597 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: you know and in this experience in a life review, 598 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: I had someone in my life who I thought was 599 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: my enemy, and this person came up in the life 600 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: review and I didn't even realize. It's not that I 601 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: consciously I should say of enemy, but I saw her 602 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: and I had judgments in my mind. You know, she's 603 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: so bad from what I had experienced, and I didn't 604 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: realize that I had held that in me. And in 605 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 1: the life review, I connected with this person and that 606 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: was probably the most powerful feeling of love. And my 607 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: whole ENDE was when I was able to connect with 608 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: who she really is beyond all of the things I 609 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: thought I knew about her and the judgments that I made, 610 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: And it doesn't condone what had happened what I had seen, 611 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: but the love that I felt from the source coming 612 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: through at all the different levels and being able to 613 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: see her and who she really is and what she's 614 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: connected to was another mind blowing thing for me. And 615 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: so after my NDE, I came back and immediately was 616 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: just it was a big relief. I was sobbing and 617 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: just all this stuff coming out, and I could almost 618 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: feel like my body physically was changing because I had 619 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: this love for her. That was like the love that 620 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: you would feel for a firstborn child. I just loved 621 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: her so much. So that was another part. Then I 622 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: had a part where it was like I was getting downloading. 623 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: I saw the planet come in. This was the planet Earth. 624 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: I saw letters above the planet and capitals. It was 625 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: nov A Ta. This is Novata. And when I saw this, 626 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: I heard a voice that was saying the seven days 627 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: of the week. It was in Spanish, I understood, but 628 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: it was doing the seven days of the week. And 629 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: then I heard prepare for the seventh day. I ended 630 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: up going around the planet, and as I went around 631 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: the planet, I could feel the energies and frequencies of 632 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: all the different countries in every place. I could feel 633 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: that each place had its own kind of frequency or 634 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: spirit about it that was special to that place. And 635 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: yet I could also feel how they were interconnected, and 636 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: it was this important whole that was needed for the 637 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: whole planet. But it was very interesting for me to 638 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: feel that not only did a country have its own frequency, 639 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: but then you know places within the country had their own, 640 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: and then you know cities within that and even neighborhoods, 641 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: and at every level that everything was interconnected and yet 642 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: special at the same time. So I had this going on, 643 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: and then I had this understanding coming in that this 644 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: was one thing that actually did come in words. I 645 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: had very little that I could bring back that I 646 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: could say, and it said this. But one thing I 647 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: kept getting that repeated even after I came back, was 648 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: come back to the Earth. My understanding was with how 649 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: it was communicated to me, was that there was something 650 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: with the food on the planet, that it was not 651 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: in purest form, and that it needed to come back 652 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: to its pure state, and that this was very important. 653 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: And I understood the word tainted. I had been, of course, 654 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: in so much physical pain for so long. When I 655 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: did come back, right away everything changed. It was in 656 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: instantly I started eating much more simple, more pure. I 657 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: didn't really know there was a thing such as food 658 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: that has been mutated or changed, but I was trying 659 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: to get food in its most pure form. And I've 660 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: stuck with that ever since. I've been eating very simply, 661 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: more pure, and that's something that's helped me a lot. 662 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, I didn't know what Novada meant, and 663 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention in case I forget that I 664 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: did have someone who contacted me who read my near 665 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: death experience online, and she said, I wanted to tell 666 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: you that I looked up what novoda is and she 667 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: told me that it means new birth or new beginning. Now, 668 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: when I saw the planet, the colors on the planet 669 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: were intense, but I've already explained that on that side, 670 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: the colors are way more clear and intense, and this 671 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: is kind of the blurry place. This is the black 672 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: and white TV realm. And there it was just like 673 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: it is as it really is. So the planet was 674 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: just beautiful. And when I saw the planet, there was 675 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: an overlay, almost like a different layer or dimension to it. 676 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: But I could see there was an eye, and when 677 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: I first saw it, it was closed, but it was 678 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: in the process of opening over the planet. It was 679 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: just one eye encompassing the planet. And I saw the 680 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: planet as a being. I knew it as a being, 681 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 1: and so this is how I see the planet still, 682 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: that it's a being, and so it's important to me. 683 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: Now I hadn't seen it that way before, so that's 684 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: something that's special to me. I saw different planets different moons. 685 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: I saw one planet that was completely covered in water, 686 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: and then the planet comes up right in front of me, 687 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: and my guide says that it's time to go back. 688 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: And when my guide tells me that it's time to 689 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: go back, I almost felt like a rupturing in my 690 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: being at just the idea of separating from what this 691 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: situation was. It was like, there's no possibility there. It 692 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: didn't matter. I wasn't going back. But what was so painful, 693 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: and I say painful, It sounds weird, but yes, I 694 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: felt agony. What was so painful was just the idea 695 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: of division, separation, and I felt a feeling like if 696 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: I were glass. It felt like the glass shattered and 697 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: I was shattering. I was wailing, but it was so deep. 698 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: It was like if I were in the physical body. 699 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: I would say every cell in my body seemed to 700 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: be in agony and crying out. It was like a 701 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: moaning and it couldn't even get it out because it 702 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: was so powerful. It was almost like an implosion. My 703 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: guide said, look to your left, and so I looked 704 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: to my left, and my four year old daughter was 705 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: being brought to me. A guide was with her, and 706 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: she was being brought to me, and she comes up 707 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: to me over here, and she just kind of reaches 708 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: up to me and does like a tugging thing, which 709 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: of course brings me back in this experience to identity 710 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: rather than this whole lack of attachments. Suddenly there's my 711 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: daughter and she's saying, mommy, but who will take care 712 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: of us? And she's smiling. 713 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 3: We have to take a break, and I promise pick 714 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 3: up right where we left off. You're listening to Shades 715 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 3: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 716 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 3: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 717 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 3: I'm Sandras Champlain and we're hearing the near death experience 718 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 3: of Amy. Call now if you can stay with me 719 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 3: to the end, I want to share a miracle that's 720 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 3: just happened to me and it relates to something that 721 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 3: she shared in this near death experience. So, last we 722 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 3: left Amy, it was time for her to return to earth, 723 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 3: but she didn't want to. Let's continue. 724 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: My guide said look to your left, and so I 725 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 1: looked to my left and my four year old daughter 726 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: was being brought to me. A guide was with her, 727 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: and she was being brought to me and she comes 728 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: up to me over here and she just kind of 729 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: reaches up to me and does like a tugging thing, 730 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: which of course brings me back in this experience, to 731 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: identity rather than this whole lack of attachments. Suddenly there's 732 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: my daughter and she's saying, Mommy, but who will take 733 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: care of us? And she's smiling. Before she could even 734 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: finish asking me, I was saying, of course I will. 735 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: And I don't see myself as saying that at the 736 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,439 Speaker 1: level I'm at right now. What I'm trying to say 737 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: is that on my own, I don't believe that I 738 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: would have said that, because in the place I was in, 739 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: I knew everything was okay. I didn't need to go back, 740 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: And even if someone had said, hey, remember your family, 741 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: do you want to go back, I would have said, 742 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,959 Speaker 1: they're fine, I'm going to stay. But when she specifically 743 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: asked me, it was this call because in that place 744 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: I was so connected to the source and the higher 745 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: love and everything that was there that was so powerful, 746 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: and I was one with it that was coming through 747 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: as part of who or what I was that helped answer. 748 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: So in that place, it was the love that was 749 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: coming through, the divine love that said, of course I will. 750 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: The guide took my daughter back and just still trying 751 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: to come to terms with I'm leaving this place was 752 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: still so difficult. This pain was still coming through. And 753 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: my guide says, look to your right. So I looked 754 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: to my right, and there's a holographic image and it's 755 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: a living holographic image. It's not a movie or something 756 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: made up. It was my mom and it was my 757 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: mom in the future. And I could see that she 758 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: was fragile, and I could see that she was struggling 759 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: and she wasn't having an easy time. And my mom 760 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: comes from a time period where people did their hair 761 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: well and they dressed really well, fifties girl, and I 762 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: could see that she had like a little hair here 763 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: and there, and I was thinking, oh my gosh, my 764 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: mom would not be okay with that, and I just 765 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: wanted to be there for her. Like naturally, I wanted 766 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: to help her because I know what it is that 767 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: my mom cares about. And I moved toward this holograph 768 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: of my mom, and I felt myself willing myself to 769 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: go forward. In doing this, I understood that there was 770 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: a level of what I am and what I come 771 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: from that did want to go back. It was just 772 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: hard in a certain part of me to understand that 773 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: there was a higher will, that's part of me that 774 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: did want to go back. So I did understand, but 775 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: still continued with the crying, like how do I actually 776 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: just go because I couldn't imagine doing bad action and 777 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: going and there's the planet waiting for me. So I'm 778 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 1: still in this deep crying and my guide says very well, 779 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: and then it was like there was a spin of 780 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: a vortex spinning and it comes to me and we 781 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: became one. I knew that my guide and I were one, 782 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: and I got put your finger out reach toward the planet, 783 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: and so I'm of course, this is the first time 784 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: in that part of my experience coming to the idea 785 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: of body again, other than my daughter reaching toward me 786 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: and reminding me. I reached forward and it was like 787 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: I could see the outer form of the tip of 788 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: my finger as I reached toward the planet, and there 789 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: was like an electrical zipline or something that just shot 790 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: out at my fingertip. There was just an immediate section. 791 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: It was just instant. And then I was back and 792 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm in my bedroom and I have my guide still 793 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: with me, but I couldn't connect to my body. I 794 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: could see that my body was in the bed, and 795 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: at this point my husband is next to my body, 796 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to get in my body, and I 797 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: couldn't feel anything, and I got this panic because I 798 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: wasn't back there where I was, which was so awesome, 799 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not feeling safe back in my body, and 800 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: so of course I'm getting frantic. I don't know what 801 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: to do. And I feel my guide go through the throat, 802 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 1: go through the throat, and so all I can feel 803 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: of myself is that I'm energy and my consciousness. So 804 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,240 Speaker 1: I start blasting myself over and over through the throat 805 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: of my body. And I just keep doing this, throwing 806 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: my energy through the throat, and then I see my 807 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: jaw drop and this kind of like a grown noise, 808 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: almost like a toad, just like air passed, a little 809 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: bit of air pass out of the mouth, just enough 810 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: to make the slightest low sound. And my husband says Amy, 811 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 1: And I just kept doing this, throwing my energy through 812 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: the throat, and then he says Amy again, this time 813 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: reaching over, and then he kind of jumps up, and 814 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 1: I see him running to the light switch and he 815 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: flips it on, and he's running over and he looks 816 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,720 Speaker 1: at me, and his face just looked like it turned 817 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: to wax, and there were beads of sweat that just 818 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: instantly formed around his hairline. And I don't know where 819 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: I was that I could look at all of this, 820 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: but I was looking at this and he's grabbed me 821 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: and he's saying Amy, Amy over and over and shaking 822 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 1: the body and trying to lift it, and I was surprised. 823 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: I remember being really surprised, like why is it so 824 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: hard for him to lift because he's pretty strong, big guy, 825 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: and it would be easy to lift me, but he 826 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: was really having a hard time, like lifting the body, 827 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: but he was, you know, shaking and shaking, and I 828 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: just had this understanding that with his hands on my body, 829 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,959 Speaker 1: it's going to be okay because he's like a cable line, 830 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: the physical body connecting to my body would send what 831 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: was needed through. So at this point I just relaxed 832 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: and waited for this to happen because it was what 833 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: I was being given. And then sure enough, as he 834 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: was doing this, that was the first thing I could 835 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: physically feel was the electricity was running all over the 836 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: top of my skin, coming from his hands from head 837 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: to toe. It finally covered me, and then I started 838 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: connecting with this electricity. That's what I connected with, and 839 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: then I was in my body. After this experience, of course, 840 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: my husband's asking what happened and things like that, and 841 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: it was just too much and I did don't know 842 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: how to begin or what words to use. So he 843 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: just kept saying, We've got to write it down. You've 844 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: got to write it down. And I hesitated because I 845 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: just thought I know how this sounds. So I hesitated 846 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: for many, many years. But after this experience, I went 847 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: right away to church, and my husband was surprised because 848 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: he was saying, you know, you'd think after something like that, 849 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: you'd be in bed for two weeks. I was very 850 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: determined to get to church. And it wasn't because I 851 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: needed to go to church. It was like there was 852 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: something that was telling me you have to be there. 853 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: There's something going on, you have to be there. It 854 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: was one of those things where it's just you get 855 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 1: a feeling you're supposed to be somewhere, and so I 856 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: told him, no, there's something that's going to happen. I 857 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: have to be in whatever this is that's going to happen. 858 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: By the way, right after my experience. My husband was 859 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: kind of freaking out, like do I call nine one one? 860 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: What do we need to do? What's happening, you know? 861 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: And I was totally adamant, There's no way you're calling anyone. 862 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to a doctor. I don't need to 863 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,280 Speaker 1: ask a doctor if I'm okay. I was totally sure 864 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: that I was okay. I was more okay than ever, 865 00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: So there's no way that I was going to let 866 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: him call a doctor or anyone. So going back to 867 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: going to church, I showed up there and not sure 868 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: what I was doing, and I sat down, and then 869 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: at the part of church where they're passing bread and 870 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: the water, I felt right then, a very strong, very powerful, 871 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: like right now, this is it, Get up and go out. 872 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,839 Speaker 1: I didn't know why, but I was still very much 873 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: with my guide, stood up and left and out in 874 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: the main area, there was a woman sitting in a 875 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 1: love seat and she was crying, very heavily crying, and 876 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: she was surrounded by a number of people who were 877 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: comforting her and hugging her. And I still wasn't sure 878 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: exactly what I was going to be doing with her, 879 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: so I kind of walked off down the hall and 880 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: took a break and waited for a little bit, came back, 881 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: and then when I came back to her, she didn't 882 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: have the people around her, so I was able to 883 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: ask her what was going on, and she said that 884 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: she just found out that her daughter had died, and 885 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: I right away got this flash like oh, But I 886 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: didn't want to say any thing weird. It wasn't appropriate 887 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: for me to say anything at that point, and I 888 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: didn't know for sure, so I actually invited her. I said, 889 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: do you want to come back to my house tomorrow? 890 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: And I knew very specifically what the young woman looked 891 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: like in my experience. She had a very unusual look 892 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: and the coloring in her hair and eyes. So I said, 893 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: do you feel like you could come talk to me 894 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: about it tomorrow? And she said yes, And I was 895 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: surprised that she was open about that, And I said, 896 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: could you bring a photo, because I figured, you know, 897 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: if it's not her, I still would want to be 898 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: there for her, and if it is, then we might 899 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: have something to talk about. So she came and she 900 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: brought a black and white photo. Even with a black 901 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: and white photo, I knew right away that it was 902 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: that young woman and I said to her, did your 903 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,919 Speaker 1: daughter have like an unusual red coloring in her hair, 904 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: the really unusual color red? And she said yes. And 905 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: I described her eyes then, the unusual color of her eyes, 906 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: and she was surprised, yes. And then I was able 907 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 1: to say what happened. I was able to explain to 908 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: the lady what happened in my experience, which was comforting 909 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: for her. I was able to give information on the 910 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: death and anyway, that's basically my experience. 911 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 3: That's the end of the recording with Amy. She has 912 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 3: not gone on to write a book or be famous. 913 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 3: She's just one of the many thousands of people that 914 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 3: share their story through ians dot org. Again, that's our 915 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 3: friends at the International Association for Near Death Studies. When 916 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 3: Amy spoke of having compassion on ourselves and then having 917 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 3: compassion on others, I believe we've all made judgments about 918 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 3: other people, making them right or wrong. And it was 919 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,720 Speaker 3: around fifteen years ago with the passing of my dad 920 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 3: that my siblings outcast me, not being able to see 921 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 3: them or their children. It led me into deep grief, 922 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 3: deep depression. Ultimately, learning about grief, I went on to 923 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,240 Speaker 3: write my book and I'm here with you now host 924 00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 3: of shades of the afterlife all because of that. But internally, 925 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,280 Speaker 3: have I made them wrong? Yes, but I've also blessed 926 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,760 Speaker 3: them because I'm here with you today. So the miracle 927 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 3: is these kids that I hadn't seen in fifteen years 928 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 3: have just taken a trip to visit my mom and myself. 929 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 3: They spent four days with us, and I am one 930 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 3: of the happiest girls on the planet. They missed us 931 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 3: as much as we missed them, and we all agreed 932 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,439 Speaker 3: there's going to be a great future ahead for us 933 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 3: as family. And after listening to this episode, I will 934 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 3: do my best to look at those who I may 935 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,320 Speaker 3: have disagreements with through the eyes of a loving parent 936 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 3: or through the source and be understanding. I also want 937 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 3: to remind each of us to have compassion on ourselves. 938 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 3: It's tough being human. We're doing the best we can, 939 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 3: but you never know when something we think is negative 940 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,439 Speaker 3: could turn into the best thing that's ever happened to us, 941 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 3: which is what happened to me. Without things going exactly 942 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 3: the way they did, I wouldn't be here with you today. 943 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 3: As a reminder, come visit me Atweedo'tdie dot com. That's 944 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,720 Speaker 3: my home base. Get a free copy of my book 945 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 3: if you enter your name and email address at the 946 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 3: bottom of the page. Come to our free Sunday gathering 947 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,919 Speaker 3: with medium demonstration included, and try one of our new classes. 948 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 3: In closing, this is Sandra Champlain and I'm always so 949 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,799 Speaker 3: happy to be your host. Thank you for listening to 950 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 951 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 3: Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 952 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,319 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 953 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,359 Speaker 2: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 954 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 2: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 955 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 2: to iHeartRadio dot com.