WEBVTT - Summer Reading 2014

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 1>your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have something about tradition here at Stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>Blow your Mind Every summer you only need the early

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<v Speaker 1>goings of summer. We devote an episode to just sharing

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<v Speaker 1>some of our personal weading recommendations for you. The Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to Blow your Mind listener, it's right because summer breeze

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<v Speaker 1>makes you feel fine blowing through the jasmine of your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>You want a book to accompany that jasmine of your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've got a bunch of recommendations here. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>We have As always, we we try and get a

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<v Speaker 1>collection a little fiction, a little nonfiction, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want just throw a whole bunch of scientific

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<v Speaker 1>books at you, and we're you know, we're probably not

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<v Speaker 1>going to hit you over the head with anything to stuffy.

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<v Speaker 1>But likewise, we know that ourreers have diverse taste and

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<v Speaker 1>we want to present you with some some fictional selections

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<v Speaker 1>as well. All right, so I'm gonna launch and are

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like this is probably the best beachiest

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<v Speaker 1>read if you are going to the beach and you

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<v Speaker 1>do kind of want to put your brain on on

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<v Speaker 1>hold for a second, but you're really interested in knowing

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<v Speaker 1>how some people's brains work when it comes to their art.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm talking about this book called Daily Rituals How

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<v Speaker 1>Artists Work, and it covers everybody from like Gustav Roubert,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Morrison, Hruki Marakami, uh Igor Stravinsky. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's got a bunch of selections here that details the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of habits that these people are made up of

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<v Speaker 1>and how they create their art. And I find it

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating because, um, you may have some favorite authors and

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<v Speaker 1>here are favorite artists or even favorite scientists, and you

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<v Speaker 1>will find out how they started the day and more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>how they obsessed. Because I feel like this is such

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<v Speaker 1>a great little way to eavesdrop on people and and

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<v Speaker 1>find out how they do the thing that they do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and just I was glancing through this earlier. Um, it's segmented, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you can sort of skip through and you can

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<v Speaker 1>see an individual in the individual's name and hone in

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<v Speaker 1>on that section, right, Yeah, I mean yes, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's done in little chunks. So again, it's something you

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<v Speaker 1>can pick up and put down really easily. The writer

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<v Speaker 1>is Mason Curry, and he collected these. I believe he

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<v Speaker 1>has a website in which she sorted to detail people's

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<v Speaker 1>daily habits, people luminaries mostly. Um, I'll just read this

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<v Speaker 1>one little bit about Franz Kafka. This is frustrated with

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<v Speaker 1>his living quarters in day job, wrote in a letter

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<v Speaker 1>to police Bower in n quote. Time is short, my

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<v Speaker 1>strength is limited. The office is a horror, the apartment

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<v Speaker 1>is noisy. And if a pleasant, straightforward life is not possible,

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<v Speaker 1>then one must try to wriggle through by subtle maneuvers,

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<v Speaker 1>so you get insight into their psyche as well as

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<v Speaker 1>what their daily rituals are. Yeah, and you can say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>his life is chaotic, and he got some stuff done

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<v Speaker 1>and made a name for himself. Maybe I can do

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<v Speaker 1>that too. There's even this great bit about Patricia Highsmith,

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<v Speaker 1>who is She wrote I believe the talented Mr Ripley,

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<v Speaker 1>about how she had this intense connection with animals, particularly snails,

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<v Speaker 1>and how she smuggled these snails into other countries by

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<v Speaker 1>attaching them to I think under her breast. Good stuff. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's another You know, she attached snails to her

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<v Speaker 1>breasts and she got stuff done. Maybe I can do

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<v Speaker 1>that as well, improving that's the answer work, all right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the first book I'm gonna bring up is is when

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<v Speaker 1>you may have heard me talk about a little bit before,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is Dark Banquet Blood and the Curious Lives

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<v Speaker 1>of Blood Feeding Creatures by Bill shoot Um. And he

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<v Speaker 1>has a website devoted to this book, which is dark

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<v Speaker 1>Banquet dot com. So this is a wonderful text, very accessible.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a stuffy science Texas is a fun

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<v Speaker 1>science text. The book deals primarily with vampire bats, but

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<v Speaker 1>it also discusses a variety of natural other natural world

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<v Speaker 1>blood drinkers, and he goes into the surprisingly interconnected worlds

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<v Speaker 1>of natural world single of wars, and the mythic world

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<v Speaker 1>of humanoid vampires. He gets into into vampire hysteria and

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<v Speaker 1>in this interesting reality where you had the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>the vampire um in the West before we'd actually discovered

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<v Speaker 1>vampire bats. I'm gonna read just a quick little section

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<v Speaker 1>from this book. Clearly, though, once word of the existence

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<v Speaker 1>of real vampire bats began to circulate, a new supernatural

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on these mysterious and as yet unidentified creatures began

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<v Speaker 1>to take shape. Bats living in Europe, where blood feeding

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<v Speaker 1>species had never existed, were gradually implicated as being vampires.

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<v Speaker 1>Hysteria and storytelling outpaced reason and science. Though to be frank,

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<v Speaker 1>science has done a lousy job of getting its vampire

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<v Speaker 1>bat story straight. So there's just a taste from the book,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, very accessible, fun and when I ran

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<v Speaker 1>across it, it it really blew my mind because I was

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<v Speaker 1>just doing a quick Monster Science Monster the Week post

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<v Speaker 1>on the blog series where I was just kind of thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>how would a human vampire have evolved? Uh, the the

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<v Speaker 1>answer or some suggestion of how this would work would

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<v Speaker 1>be would would best be found in the evolution of

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<v Speaker 1>the vampire bat. And when I was looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>good source on that, I ran across his text and

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<v Speaker 1>uh we ended up discussing this in a in an

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<v Speaker 1>episode on vampire bats. For stuff to blow your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>go back and listen to that. But essentially, you just

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<v Speaker 1>get into this crazy idea of in this crazy world

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<v Speaker 1>where you're you're imagining the evolution of this creature, how

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<v Speaker 1>does it how does it end up in this scenario

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<v Speaker 1>where it uh, it takes on blood uh as its

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<v Speaker 1>eventual primary mode of feeding itself. It's primary food, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because as we've discussed before, this is not an easy living.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not like they found the get rich

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<v Speaker 1>quick scheme in the in the hunger game that is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that is evolution. No, they ended up making a name

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<v Speaker 1>for themselves on a on a really poor source of sustenance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it underscores this whole idea of of this,

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<v Speaker 1>this heartbreaking idea when you talk about predation and you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about being one of the animals and those circles.

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<v Speaker 1>Because again, we're pretty lucky to have gotten out of this,

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<v Speaker 1>right that no longer do we have predators going after us.

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<v Speaker 1>But this heartbreaking idea where you have to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>constantly go after something, tear it apart, take its energy

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<v Speaker 1>for your own day after day, particularly with these vampire bats,

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<v Speaker 1>right night after night, you must seek this blood for sustenance.

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, that underscores the whole predation thing. In

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. We're all kind of vampires in a sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm one of vegetarian so plant vampire. Fine,

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<v Speaker 1>and their sun vampires so dirt vampires. Good point. Good point.

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<v Speaker 1>The next selection here is as a fiction work of fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>It is called The Girl with All the Gifts by

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Carey, and I guess you would put this in

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<v Speaker 1>the sci fi realm um. I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 1>too much about it because I don't I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>any plot spoilers here, but it is just it's grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>me by the khonies, the invisible coonies that I have,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just gonna read this little selection here says

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<v Speaker 1>every morning Melanie waits in herself to be collected for class.

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<v Speaker 1>When they come for her, sergeant keeps his gun pointing

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<v Speaker 1>at her while two of his people strap her into

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<v Speaker 1>the wheelchair. She thinks they don't like her. She jokes

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<v Speaker 1>that she won't bite, but they don't laugh. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it just that's the beginning of it. And I'm reading

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<v Speaker 1>that because I want you guys to understand that this,

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<v Speaker 1>honestly is something that has completely arrested my attention here.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I'm not through it all the way yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's excellent so far. Josh Weeden has said the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Melanie that people around her is so thoroughly crafted,

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<v Speaker 1>so heartfelt, remorseless, and painfully human. That it takes the

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<v Speaker 1>potentially tired trope of the zombie apocalypse and makes it

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<v Speaker 1>as fresh as it is terrifying. The story spirals towards

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<v Speaker 1>a conclusions so surprising, so warm, and yet so chilling,

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<v Speaker 1>that it takes a moment to realize it's been earned

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<v Speaker 1>since the first page and even before it left me

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<v Speaker 1>sighing with envious joy like i'd been Simmy. Simmy chanously

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<v Speaker 1>offered flowers and beaten at chess a jewel. So just

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<v Speaker 1>to give you guys an idea of of what it's

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<v Speaker 1>about and sort of accolades it's getting. Yeah, it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating and I can't help but wonder I did the

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<v Speaker 1>did the author take this on as a like a

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<v Speaker 1>challenge to say, I'm going to write a zombie apocalypse novel?

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<v Speaker 1>Even though that idea there everyone, when with any in

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<v Speaker 1>irrational thought, is going to say, don't write a zombie book.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't whatever you do, don't write a zombie apocalypse. But

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<v Speaker 1>but then she's she's done it, and she's made it work,

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<v Speaker 1>and she and done it in in a new and

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<v Speaker 1>exciting way. Yeah, I was making me think about Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Mouth heasons I am legend in the same way that

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<v Speaker 1>you're the internal state of this person is being plumbed

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<v Speaker 1>to the deepest depths that it's um that you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of forget that there's this other horrific story that it's

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped up And does that make sense? So and I

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<v Speaker 1>am legend you're this man is so isolated and there's

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<v Speaker 1>such existential terror having to board yourself up every night

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<v Speaker 1>to keep you know, the Boogeyman away, that you forget

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<v Speaker 1>that this is essentially a vampire story. And in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way, you know, um, the girl with all the

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<v Speaker 1>gifts is making you forget that this is a zombie story.

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<v Speaker 1>Very cool, Very cool. All right, Well, my next reading

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<v Speaker 1>recommendation is another book that we've mentioned on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in our Fraggle Rock Troglafauna episode, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>The Wider Worlds of Jim Hinson, essays on his work

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<v Speaker 1>and legacy beyond the Muppet Show in Sesame Street. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This was compiled was edited by Jennifer C. Garland and

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<v Speaker 1>Anissa M. Graham. You can find this in I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's cheapest as a kindle book. You can order a

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<v Speaker 1>physical copy as well. Uh. And I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>read an excerpt but I just want to roll through

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<v Speaker 1>the titles of some of the colle that essays by

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<v Speaker 1>various authors just to give you a taste about how

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<v Speaker 1>how deeply uh these authors dive into the world of Hinton,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, ultimately is a very thought out world.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we Hinson wasn't just you know, spit firing

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<v Speaker 1>some ideas and saying, now, let's make something about some

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<v Speaker 1>muppets living in a cave. Now, that was a very

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<v Speaker 1>nuanced idea. They were setting out to achieve certain things

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<v Speaker 1>and and relate certain messages to a young audience. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean psychological and talking about the bio diversity is

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting. Yeah. So you have a four different essays

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<v Speaker 1>on Fraggle Rock, including um, no sex, please were fragg

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<v Speaker 1>holes which gets into uh gender and fraggle Rock. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the wonderful Ecology of Fraggle Rock by Justin Verfel that

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<v Speaker 1>we are referenced. You see either various essays in here

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<v Speaker 1>about the Dark Crystal and Labyrinth, including uh interpreting the

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<v Speaker 1>various species in the Dark Crystal and Fraggle Rock, including

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<v Speaker 1>what was sundered and undone shall be whole Union nature

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<v Speaker 1>and agra in the Dark Crystal there are some essays

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<v Speaker 1>about the Storyteller series, which I adore as well. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's Storyteller, the shifting rolls of story storyteller, storytellers and

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<v Speaker 1>audiences in the Jim Hinson Hour, Uh, there's some stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on em and Honor's jug Band Christmas of course. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's a let's see a couple here on

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<v Speaker 1>far Escape as well, including exploring the alien other of

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<v Speaker 1>far skate human puppet costume cosmetics. So if you are

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<v Speaker 1>a Hinston fan, if you are a you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>Labyrinth fan, Dark Crystal fan, Frankle Flan fan, It's, etcetera,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a book you really should check out because

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<v Speaker 1>they all all the authors take a deep, loving dive

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<v Speaker 1>into these creations. All right, And speaking of representations of animals,

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<v Speaker 1>my next pick is a non fiction pick um. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called Wild Ones. It's sometimes dismaying, weirdly reassuring story about

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<v Speaker 1>looking at people looking at animals in America. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>by John Well um um who's also the author of

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousand and ten New York Times piece and

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<v Speaker 1>Animals Be Gay, which we did episode on based on

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<v Speaker 1>his writing and research. So I was really excited when

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<v Speaker 1>this book came out because I think that he has

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<v Speaker 1>a very interesting perspective and his stuff is really well researched. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I was also very interested in his perspective on the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship between animals and humans because he comes at it

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<v Speaker 1>from the angle of In two thousand and ten, he

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<v Speaker 1>became a father, he became a new parent, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, he was aware of this, this deluge

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<v Speaker 1>of animal themed things coming into his life via his child.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know what I'm talking about, Yeah, you get you.

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<v Speaker 1>You all of a sudden have five books about animals,

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<v Speaker 1>You have pajamas with animals on them, you have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>um songs about animals. And he began to think about

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<v Speaker 1>this in very serious terms, like what does this mean?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very illusory, uh fictional world that we're

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<v Speaker 1>creating thing for these children. This is a fairy tale

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<v Speaker 1>about animals when in fact, the actual state of animals

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<v Speaker 1>and the animal kingdom on Earth now is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be vastly different. When when you know, my daughter reaches

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<v Speaker 1>the age of thirty, polar bears may not exist. So

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<v Speaker 1>he started to take this on this idea of conservation

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<v Speaker 1>and extinction, and he looks at I believe it's butterflies,

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<v Speaker 1>polar bears, and the whooping crane, and follows their specific

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<v Speaker 1>um trajectories through conservation through um looming extinction, and how

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<v Speaker 1>humans are are actually trying to affect change. And it

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<v Speaker 1>does get depressing at times because um, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to ruin it for people. But the way in which

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<v Speaker 1>we're going about this, he may argue, is that we

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<v Speaker 1>may be creating a world that cannot sustain an animal

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<v Speaker 1>kingdom in earnest as it has in the past. So

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<v Speaker 1>even trying to conserve animals maybe uh, sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>zero sum game because we have so altered the landscape

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<v Speaker 1>and we are squarely in the anthroposyne era in which

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<v Speaker 1>is the man made era, and we are manipulating everything

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<v Speaker 1>around us. So it's a good one to read at

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<v Speaker 1>the barbecue this summer, that's what you're saying. It is

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<v Speaker 1>something that you should corner one of her family members

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<v Speaker 1>about at the barbecue and just depressed the hell out

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Sounds good, I mean, if you like me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I I like a good sobering read, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're not talking about escapist books here. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about books that they make you think, make you

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<v Speaker 1>re evaluate humanities, uh trajectory, your own personal trajectory. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's also digging deeper into um, you know, subconscious

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<v Speaker 1>here too. He's saying, like, why why aren't those polar

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<v Speaker 1>bears effective anymore? Have their cuteness actually usurped their message

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<v Speaker 1>or the message that controversations are trying to put out

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<v Speaker 1>there about habitat loss and extinction, And so it's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It sort of talks about how psychologically we are taking

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<v Speaker 1>all this information in, how it's essentially becoming ineffective and

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<v Speaker 1>why that is. Anyway, Yes, it's a it's a good read. Now, Julie,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that you are about maybe halfway through um

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<v Speaker 1>watching True Detective, the HBO series right now? Correct, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you you're enjoying it? Yes? Can you see the

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<v Speaker 1>spirals in my eyes? So I cannot think of better writing,

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<v Speaker 1>better storytelling, and also UM stories that hit on a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the things that we talked about. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>was when when I first started watching it, which was

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was like three or four episodes into

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<v Speaker 1>the run, and I started hearing all the buzz and

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<v Speaker 1>people were cornering me null here in the recording studio,

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<v Speaker 1>was cornering me and producer asking me if I was reading,

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<v Speaker 1>if I was watching at and why I had not

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<v Speaker 1>watched the yet. It was hitting all these various themes

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<v Speaker 1>that we've covered before. It was lining up with some

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<v Speaker 1>of my own personal interests. So I love the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And afterwards, I was really interested in the show's creator

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<v Speaker 1>and writer, uh Nick Pizo Alatta, because clearly this is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy whose brain is lining up with my own

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<v Speaker 1>in some respects, and it's created some art that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really into. So I discovered his book, Galveston, a novel

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<v Speaker 1>and uh I very strongly recommended, particularly if you're if

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<v Speaker 1>you were a fan of a true detective and you

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<v Speaker 1>want a little more of that kind of flavoring. UM

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<v Speaker 1>in anticipation of a second season eventually coming out. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanna preface and say this is not a book

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<v Speaker 1>that is rife with a bunch of super mysterious intrigue.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no there's no mention of Yellow Kings, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>uh sort of love crafty and sort of elements in

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<v Speaker 1>the works. Um. But but it does have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the uh, the the feel that you would find

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<v Speaker 1>in the in some of the characters in true detective. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this novel deals with a character of the name of

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<v Speaker 1>Roy Caddy who's a criminal, career criminal living in New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans and and he finds out that he has a

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<v Speaker 1>terminal illness, or right about the time that he that,

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<v Speaker 1>he finds out that his boss is a dangerous loan

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<v Speaker 1>sharking bar owner wants him dead. So there's this uh,

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<v Speaker 1>brutal sequence where he's double cross, barely makes out and

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<v Speaker 1>makes it out of town with his life and he

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<v Speaker 1>ends up on the run into coastal Texas with a

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<v Speaker 1>prostitute and a young girl, and from there it just

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<v Speaker 1>goes into some very interesting places. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>give anything away, but but you do have a character

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<v Speaker 1>who's really coming to terms with with what's important in life.

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<v Speaker 1>What's he gonna do with the rest of the life

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<v Speaker 1>that he has here? How does that square with what

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<v Speaker 1>he's made of his life so far? And it's just

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<v Speaker 1>beautifully written. Um. I was really impressed with Pizolato's use

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<v Speaker 1>of language in this novel. Um that the character at

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<v Speaker 1>times feels like he is kind of cut from the

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<v Speaker 1>same cloth as the rust Coal character, Like they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>there may be sort of cosmic twins in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, beautiful read and at the end I actually

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<v Speaker 1>ended up tearing up a bit, so I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>I do have one little section when I read for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to read you, read you the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of paragraphs, but that would be spoiling things. We

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<v Speaker 1>were silent for a long stretch. Then, with the wind

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<v Speaker 1>shushing outside and the rhythm of a skier, a cloud

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<v Speaker 1>riddled heaven sealed the horizon, and I felt like we

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<v Speaker 1>were bugs crawling along the edge of the world, which

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<v Speaker 1>we were in a way. I kept this westward, the

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<v Speaker 1>sun at our backs, the girl's faces turning sleepy. That

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<v Speaker 1>old rule came back. You do your own time, not

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<v Speaker 1>someone else's. But what about after your own time is done?

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<v Speaker 1>I wondered. I looked down at the little girl sleeping,

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<v Speaker 1>one fist curled under her chin. Why did you take

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<v Speaker 1>the silencer off? I asked. Rocky shrugged and followed something

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<v Speaker 1>out the window. I thought it looked meaner without it,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, have you ever been to Galveston? She shook

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<v Speaker 1>her head. So there's just a taste again already. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>they're in that scene, so yeah, don't go into it. Expecting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, another slice of True Detective. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate did the writing appreciated some of the feel of

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<v Speaker 1>that show, then you really can't go wrong with that book.

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<v Speaker 1>And last I checked, the Kindle version is available for

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<v Speaker 1>like twine, so you're basically losing money if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>buy it. There you go. Alright, So in the realm

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<v Speaker 1>of fiction, Joyce Carol Oates, the pick that I have

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<v Speaker 1>here is Blonde. I believe this came out maybe in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand. It's an older book, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to it because I think we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Marilyn Monroe and her breathiness, and that got MA

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<v Speaker 1>hated thinking, like I really would like to know more

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<v Speaker 1>about Marilyn Monroe. And Joyce Carroll Oates is one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite writers. Um. The first time I was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of indoctrinated with her writing was in a short story

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<v Speaker 1>where are You Going? Where Have You Been? And that's

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<v Speaker 1>about a teenager named Connie, and she's got a really

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<v Speaker 1>bad case of teenager on we at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>she's got this burgeoning sexuality that she's trying to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I love about this story is that is

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of coming age story that everybody knows about

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<v Speaker 1>that they never discussed. And what I'm talking about here

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<v Speaker 1>is like the burden of sexuality as a woman and

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<v Speaker 1>essentially what that sometimes boils down to his predator and prey.

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<v Speaker 1>And in that short story, um, this guy arnold friend

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<v Speaker 1>shows up as the predator and this golden convertible and

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<v Speaker 1>this this gold convertible becomes this kind of like death

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<v Speaker 1>chariot for kind. So the reason I bring this short

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<v Speaker 1>story up is because Blonde is about Marilyn Monroe obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but more about that burden of sexuality, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>just a phenomenal take on this historic, iconic person who

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<v Speaker 1>is in many ways unknowable and yet somehow Oates has

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<v Speaker 1>gotten into her internal life, her into her thoughts what

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<v Speaker 1>I think might be her thoughts, right, and has written

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<v Speaker 1>this narrative that is so compelling that you think that

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<v Speaker 1>you are reading Marilyn Mina Rose diary. And it's starts

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<v Speaker 1>out with marily Monrose child and follows her through her

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<v Speaker 1>suicide and it is so gripping I can't even tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's probably one of the most haunting texts that

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever read. And I don't know how she did it.

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<v Speaker 1>I really feel like that's one of those moments where

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<v Speaker 1>she was struck by the muse and how she inhabited UM,

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<v Speaker 1>this person who is very much sort of a flat

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<v Speaker 1>character force. Right, it's this Um, this woman who is

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<v Speaker 1>innocence and yet she's the sex kitten, and you see

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<v Speaker 1>through this, this lens of her life, this other side

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<v Speaker 1>to her. Maybe how she became Marilyn Monroe and Maril Monroe,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, in real life was freighted with all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of problems since we know and her mother UM

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<v Speaker 1>had some very bad mental problems UM that obviously showed

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<v Speaker 1>up in Marial Monrose life. Anyway, let me just read

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<v Speaker 1>this New York Times review real quick, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is pithy, and I will go on and on

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<v Speaker 1>if I don't stop myself by reading this. So it says,

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<v Speaker 1>and although sometimes sloppy and sentimental, it is perhaps the

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<v Speaker 1>most ferocious fictional treatise ever written on the uninhabitable grotesqueness

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<v Speaker 1>of femininity. No one embodied femininity better than mal Monroe,

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<v Speaker 1>who concocted a persona who seemed to exist only for

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<v Speaker 1>sex and at the same time to be oblivious of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Who possessed an eroticism that was all responsiveness and no desire.

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<v Speaker 1>How else to cater to a masculine sexuality that hates

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<v Speaker 1>itself and demands that females receive and bear away that

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<v Speaker 1>hatred like dutiful wives cleaning up after a husband's violent binge.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought that was that was great. That really

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<v Speaker 1>takes the spirit of this book and the spirit of

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<v Speaker 1>those times in which Miller Monroe um came to inhabit

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<v Speaker 1>all of these anxieties about sexuality excellent. Well, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to I have to admit that when I when I

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<v Speaker 1>first heard about that book, it was hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to get excited about it because I love Joyce Carol Oates.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of what I've read a verse is uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>strange fiction stories that she's written and u uh and

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<v Speaker 1>we've read read a longer work or two sort of

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with with twisted, flawed individuals, um grotesque individuals and

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<v Speaker 1>so the cell. Oh, she wrote a book about Marilyn Monroe.

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<v Speaker 1>Just on the surface, it doesn't seem to match up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because I'm thinking thinking, Joyce Carol Oates is

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<v Speaker 1>on one end of the spectrum. Uh, Marilyn Monroe is

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<v Speaker 1>on the other and and and never the two should meet.

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<v Speaker 1>But but now that you've explained it, I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>makes perfect since you mentioned the grotesqueness of femininity, so

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that that bridges the gap right there. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm actually more interested in checking the book out

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<v Speaker 1>myself now. Yeah. And her narrative techniques are fascinating, and

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<v Speaker 1>she uses smell a lot, and you wouldn't think that, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read this book about Marin Monroe and

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<v Speaker 1>there's one of the tropes is going to be smell,

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<v Speaker 1>and it comes to symbolize and really it even comes

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<v Speaker 1>to to sort of symbolize, um, Milen Monroe's attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>try to escape her more working class ressroots, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>um and then a sent to stardom through the sense

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<v Speaker 1>of smell. It's fascinating. But yeah, I mean this is

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<v Speaker 1>the person Joyce Carol Ows who wrote the book Zombie

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<v Speaker 1>about dam Yeah, great book. You've read that one, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, yeah, so you wouldn't you wouldn't think Dahmer

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<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe. But again, it it sounds like it works

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<v Speaker 1>in her capable hands. Sure. My next selection is one

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 1>is another one that I would definitely put in this

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<v Speaker 1>category of the cell maybe not sounding all that great

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<v Speaker 1>on the surface of things. And the book is sixty

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<v Speaker 1>three by Stephen King. Now I'm a long time King fan,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't have to come. I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>get over a Stephen King hurdle. I think some people

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<v Speaker 1>have that in their mind, like, here's a very popular author.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh he's and he's been churning out books like crazy

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 1>for years. Is he deserving of my attention? I would argue, yes,

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I think I think Stephen King has has earned his place,

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 1>uh and has certainly earned his his literary reputation on

0:24:56.040 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 1>top of his commercial reputation. But even m for me,

0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 1>this was a hard sell because the the idea on

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the book here is, hey, what have you traveled back

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 1>in time to stop the Kennedy assassination, which of course

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:12.159
<v Speaker 1>occurred one It's kind of an interesting thought experiment, you know,

0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 1>you get into what happened, What would happen if you

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.119
<v Speaker 1>could travel back in time? What would happen if you

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>change things? The butterfly effect of changing something in history? Um,

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 1>And that's fascinating, but it doesn't necessarily um connect with

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.640
<v Speaker 1>me beyond that I like I, so when the book

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>came out, I just kind of noticed that it existed

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and moved on. And then just in the last fall,

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:36.479
<v Speaker 1>I was in a situation where, of course I had

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a new child in the house. I seemed like I

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>was spending a lot of time, uh, laying on the

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 1>floor of his bedroom waiting for him to go to

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 1>sleep so I could sneak out. And friends sent me

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>a kindle copy of this book, and I started reading

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>it and just could not put it down. It was

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 1>just it's just highly addictive right from the beginning. There's

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:57.440
<v Speaker 1>no there's no hurdle to overcome in reading three because

0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>one of the really fascinating things here is, first of all,

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 1>there's no worrying about time travel science, how you do it? Basically,

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>magic portal opens up. How does it work? Who knows?

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.919
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's a wormhole, maybe it's magic. Don't concern your

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff with that, because it's it's The story is ultimately

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.439
<v Speaker 1>about more than that. The idea is that this portal

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:18.479
<v Speaker 1>only opens up to a period in the past prior

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>to three, and so in order to go back in

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>time and change the past, you would have to go back.

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Uh you have you have to live in the past,

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you have to go back into the past and live

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 1>for like for you know, a year or two to

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>reach the point where you could change history. And there

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 1>are these added complications and that you get into the

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>idea that the time stream is like it's like a river,

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and to try and divert a river, there's there's resistance.

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 1>So our character as he goes back in time and

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.679
<v Speaker 1>ultimately sets out on this quest to change history, he

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.400
<v Speaker 1>begins to encounter resistance to the change. So he's trying

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 1>to be injected out of that time stream. Um, yeah,

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>to to a sense, it's sort of like there's so

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>much writing on the way things work that there's a

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:07.199
<v Speaker 1>resistance to making small changes in the time stream, but

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to make a large one, and in doing so,

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the forces against him are are almost immeasurable. So it's, uh,

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a fascinating read. It's really one of the best

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:20.880
<v Speaker 1>King books I've read in quite some time. So they recommend, well, yeah,

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 1>and I think that again, he is someone who is

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>also just a master at his craft, and so I

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine a bad turn at a character or even

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 1>just a plot line with him. And you also learned

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.120
<v Speaker 1>way more about the Kennedy assassination than you ever thought

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>you wanted to know. Okay, that means that you can

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 1>drop in on those conspiracy theory chat rooms, right, Yeah,

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and then you know what they're talking about. You know

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:42.959
<v Speaker 1>who some of these figures are because they show up

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.360
<v Speaker 1>as figures in this book because part of it too.

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>If the character goes back in time and he's not

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>certain there's no one, they think there's like a nineties

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>something percent chance that it that it is just the

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>lone gunment theory. But what if you don't want to

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 1>go back and and kill Lee Harvey Oswald if there's

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 1>even like a two percent five percent chance even that

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>he's not the guy, and then ultimately you wouldn't be

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>able to change your history anyway. Yeah, and by the way,

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe is wrapped up into this as well, So

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>you have fitting fitting pair of books there for the summer. Indeed,

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>all right, My last pick here is Cabinet of Curiosities,

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:26.640
<v Speaker 1>My Notebooks, Collections and Other Obsessions by Guiannimo and Mark

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Scott Zacrie. And this was actually a book that I

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>got for my husband because um, he likes Del Toro

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and he really likes a lot of this for I

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you would call it this like monster aesthetic,

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>an art, grotesque ery. I don't know, but I've been

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>pouring through it. It is kind of a much bigger,

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>deep than that Daily Ritual's book I was talking about

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>where you get to appear into artist lives. Here is

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>this this really like lens into del Toro's life. You

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>get to see his collection, just stuff that he collects.

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I'm looking at this picture right now of

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>a life size sculpture of HP Lovecraft by Thomas Cubler,

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 1>which is watching over the horror library at the Bleak House. Um,

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean he has a life size closure of HP

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Lovecraft leering at you as you walk around the house.

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Very odd look on HP lovecraft face. And so you

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>also have some of his influences, so Mary Shelley and

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Lovecraft of course, and Arthur mackin ed Garland Poe is

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>it Macinnermashon, I'm not sure, but author of The Great

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>God Pan which is an extremely creepy short story. Yeah.

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>So in this sense, I think you get a lot

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>more than you would bargain for from someone who is

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>um a director, right, You would normally think, oh, maybe

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I'll get a little bit of access to how he works,

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>but no, you get everything. It looks like here um

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>short of a personal tour of his own home. So

0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was great for anybody who is

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>interested in some of the monster science that you have

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>been covering, um, and anybody who is interested in his films,

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>because he's got thoughts for new films kind of scribbled

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>in there, bits of dialogue. Um, He's got other bits

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 1>of dialogue from plays and from stories that have colored

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>his perception. And then of course just his sketches are fascinating. Yeah,

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>his sketches are amazing, And apparently when he pitches projects

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>like the sketches are very much a part of it,

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>and they're the sketches sketches are are part of his

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>writing process and a part of his way of of

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>bringing his own ideas together and then ultimately presenting them

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 1>to the studios. Yeah, so it is really kind of

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>like cracking up in his brain. You're able to see

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>all his obsessions, his influences, and then how he thinks

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>and his representation of that and sketches is beautiful. Yeah, yeah,

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>not a beautiful but horrifically beautiful. Yeah, that's the thing.

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>He gets horrifically beautiful better than than just about anybody.

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>And I mean certainly see in his work there's there's

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>so much monstrosity. He genuinely loves monsters and understands what

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>monsters are. You see a great deal of Catholic imagery.

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Like especially with Blade too. I love that he created

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a vampire that could only be killed by staking it

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>through the side of the rib cage. Uh as in

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the same way that Christ dies on the Cross when

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>the spear enters the rib cage and pierces the heart.

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Uh And he you know, he has his whole, this

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>whole design in place where the bone is u is

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>too solid over the heart so you can only go

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>in through the side. I mean, it's just I love

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 1>the man's aesthetic. It's wonderful, which makes it that much

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>more exciting to know that he's working on HP Lovecrafts

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>at the Mountains of Madness. And in fact, there's a

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>couple of pages dedicated to that as well, So that

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>level of detail. Seeing that come across and a film

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>is would be amazing. Yeah, I really, I really hope

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>that project comes together. It sounds sounds wonderful. Alright. I

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>have one more reading suggestion, and this one has to

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>do with monsters, and it's for young readers, so um uh,

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>this one is certainly worth picking up. It's called Monsters

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and Water Beast Creatures of Fact or Fiction by Karen Miller,

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 1>with illustrations by Sergio Rousier. And this is uh. This

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>looks at a number of different monsters, including Bigfoot, the

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Big Bird of Texas, hoop Snakes, Mothman, the Jersey Devil,

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and then the water Beast, uh, Sea Maiden of Biloxi, chant,

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the Sea Serpent of Gloucester, and the Cadborosaurus. Uh. This

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>is uh. This is ultimately a skeptics book on monsters

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 1>for young readers. I mean, I mean I enjoy it,

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>so you don't have to be you don't have to

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>be too young to get into it. But it's uh,

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>it's wonderfully illustrated. It's it's looking at these creatures from

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a skeptical point of view, but a fun point of view.

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>It's it's you know, it's not full of negativity. It

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't say don't love your monsters, because clearly this is

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a book that loves the monsters. While also saying, hey,

0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I can, I can love this and also a lie

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>a skeptic mind to it. So if you have a

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>young reader or not a young reader in your household

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.959
<v Speaker 1>that is interested in monsters and and has that kind

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>of skeptical mindset, then I highly recommend it. Indeed, which

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>is actually a good reminder about your monster series called

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Monster Science. You should check that out on our mind

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Stuff YouTube channel. Yes, we have six episodes of it,

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>and we're plotting six more. I'll let you know when

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 1>those come to fruition. All right, Well what about you, Julia,

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>do you have anything you were planning to read later

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>this summer or later this year? Well, what's what's on

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>the future? What's on the two? Read shell Um The

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Martian by Andy, We're in The Leftovers by Tom proto

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>which Nolan, producer told me he is actually being made

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>into a series. I believe. Oh. I've seen the ads

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>for it an HBO and I can't tell what it's

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>about except screaming and pain. And I think it's people

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>who suddenly disappear. Really yeah, yeah. I have picked it

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>up in my hands a couple of times and looked

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>at it, and I have bought it yet, but it's

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>on my list very very good. Uh. Two things I'm

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to reading. One, I don't know when this

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>is coming out, hopefully sometime. It's supposedly coming out this year,

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>sooner the better for my taste. And that is The

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Unholy Consult by our Scott Baker. I've mentioned Baker before

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, probably way too many times. Actually he uh,

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 1>he's written. He wrote a Disciple of the Dog, he

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>wrote Neuropath, and he also wrote the trilogy The Prince

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 1>of Nothing trilogy, followed by the the trilogy The Aspect Emperor.

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>This is the third book in the Aspect Emperor trilogy.

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>These all these uh, the both these trilogies take place

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 1>in this dark fantasy world that it's created. You can think,

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 1>think Game of Thrones, but with more sort of dark

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>love Craft I and Clark Ashton Smithy sort of magic

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>going on. But also Baker is deeply immersed in um

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:02.760
<v Speaker 1>in philosophy and neuroscience, so all all of everything he's creating,

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 1>it's uh, it really like it's not pure escapism because

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 1>even though you're reading about say, uh, you know, a

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.280
<v Speaker 1>barbarian on on the planes of some dark fantasy epic world.

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh that that character is is struggling with with the

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 1>with his own self in a way that really forces

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 1>you to reconsider uh you know, your own predicament. It's

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>it's tremendous stuff. I highly highly recommend it, and I'm

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 1>really looking forward to reading Beyond Holy Consult when it

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.279
<v Speaker 1>comes out. A bit of nonfiction that I'm looking forward

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 1>to reading as of this morning is The Body and

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:40.799
<v Speaker 1>Pain The Making and Unmaking of the World by Elaine Scary.

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I heard about this one listening to the episode Unspeakable

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:49.919
<v Speaker 1>Acts on the CBC radio program Ideas with Paul Kennedy, which,

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>for for my money, is just about the best uh

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 1>podcast or radio show out their Ideas CBC Paul Kennedy,

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>check it out if you haven't. But this this book

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>by Scary, apparently, you know, gets into this idea of

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 1>pain and torture in a really deep manner. Looking at

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 1>pain is is frame breaking, context breaking, our difficulty to

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>understand the pain of others, the terrible power of torture

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>to destroy the language. Uh. There's a quote just from

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the intro of the book where she says, this book

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>is about the way other persons become visible to us

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.719
<v Speaker 1>or cease to be visible to us. It's about the

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 1>way we make ourselves available to one another. So I'm

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 1>as someone who has late been been interested in elements

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:38.839
<v Speaker 1>of torture and pain, this seems like a must read

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>book for me. Yeah. It sounds like she'll be covering

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>the territory of of objectifying someone and creating that space. Yeah,

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>like a very interesting realm to explore. Yeah, she she

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 1>speaks in this uh this Ideas episode. I mentioned unspeakable acts,

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's really really interesting to hear her talk about

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