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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas,

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Speaker 1: and we have something about tradition here at Stuff to

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Speaker 1: Blow your Mind Every summer you only need the early

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Speaker 1: goings of summer. We devote an episode to just sharing

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Speaker 1: some of our personal weading recommendations for you. The Stuff

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Speaker 1: to Blow your Mind listener, it's right because summer breeze

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Speaker 1: makes you feel fine blowing through the jasmine of your mind.

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Speaker 1: You want a book to accompany that jasmine of your mind,

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Speaker 1: and we've got a bunch of recommendations here. That's right.

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Speaker 1: We have As always, we we try and get a

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Speaker 1: collection a little fiction, a little nonfiction, because you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't want just throw a whole bunch of scientific

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Speaker 1: But likewise, we know that ourreers have diverse taste and

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Speaker 1: we want to present you with some some fictional selections

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Speaker 1: as well. All right, so I'm gonna launch and are

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Speaker 1: because I feel like this is probably the best beachiest

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Speaker 1: do kind of want to put your brain on on

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Speaker 1: hold for a second, but you're really interested in knowing

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Speaker 1: how some people's brains work when it comes to their art.

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about this book called Daily Rituals How

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Speaker 1: Artists Work, and it covers everybody from like Gustav Roubert,

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Speaker 1: Tony Morrison, Hruki Marakami, uh Igor Stravinsky. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: it's got a bunch of selections here that details the

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Speaker 1: fascinating because, um, you may have some favorite authors and

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Speaker 1: will find out how they started the day and more importantly,

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Speaker 1: how they obsessed. Because I feel like this is such

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Speaker 1: and just I was glancing through this earlier. Um, it's segmented, correct,

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Speaker 1: can pick up and put down really easily. The writer

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Speaker 1: one little bit about Franz Kafka. This is frustrated with

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Speaker 1: and that is Dark Banquet Blood and the Curious Lives

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Speaker 1: The next selection here is as a fiction work of fiction.

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Speaker 1: sighing with envious joy like i'd been Simmy. Simmy chanously

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Speaker 1: The Wider Worlds of Jim Hinson, essays on his work

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Speaker 1: the wonderful Ecology of Fraggle Rock by Justin Verfel that

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Speaker 1: she uses smell a lot, and you wouldn't think that, like, oh,

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00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to read this book about Marin Monroe and

427
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: there's one of the tropes is going to be smell,

428
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: and it comes to symbolize and really it even comes

429
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: to to sort of symbolize, um, Milen Monroe's attempt to

430
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: try to escape her more working class ressroots, you know,

431
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: um and then a sent to stardom through the sense

432
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: of smell. It's fascinating. But yeah, I mean this is

433
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: the person Joyce Carol Ows who wrote the book Zombie

434
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: about dam Yeah, great book. You've read that one, Yeah, yeah,

435
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, so you wouldn't you wouldn't think Dahmer

436
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe. But again, it it sounds like it works

437
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: in her capable hands. Sure. My next selection is one

438
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: is another one that I would definitely put in this

439
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: category of the cell maybe not sounding all that great

440
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: on the surface of things. And the book is sixty

441
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: three by Stephen King. Now I'm a long time King fan,

442
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: so I don't have to come. I don't have to

443
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: get over a Stephen King hurdle. I think some people

444
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: have that in their mind, like, here's a very popular author.

445
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: Uh he's and he's been churning out books like crazy

446
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: for years. Is he deserving of my attention? I would argue, yes,

447
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: I think I think Stephen King has has earned his place,

448
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: uh and has certainly earned his his literary reputation on

449
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: top of his commercial reputation. But even m for me,

450
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: this was a hard sell because the the idea on

451
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: the book here is, hey, what have you traveled back

452
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: in time to stop the Kennedy assassination, which of course

453
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: occurred one It's kind of an interesting thought experiment, you know,

454
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: you get into what happened, What would happen if you

455
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: could travel back in time? What would happen if you

456
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: change things? The butterfly effect of changing something in history? Um,

457
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: And that's fascinating, but it doesn't necessarily um connect with

458
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: me beyond that I like I, so when the book

459
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: came out, I just kind of noticed that it existed

460
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: and moved on. And then just in the last fall,

461
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 1: I was in a situation where, of course I had

462
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: a new child in the house. I seemed like I

463
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: was spending a lot of time, uh, laying on the

464
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: floor of his bedroom waiting for him to go to

465
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: sleep so I could sneak out. And friends sent me

466
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: a kindle copy of this book, and I started reading

467
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: it and just could not put it down. It was

468
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: just it's just highly addictive right from the beginning. There's

469
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: no there's no hurdle to overcome in reading three because

470
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: one of the really fascinating things here is, first of all,

471
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: there's no worrying about time travel science, how you do it? Basically,

472
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: magic portal opens up. How does it work? Who knows?

473
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a wormhole, maybe it's magic. Don't concern your

474
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: stuff with that, because it's it's The story is ultimately

475
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: about more than that. The idea is that this portal

476
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: only opens up to a period in the past prior

477
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: to three, and so in order to go back in

478
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: time and change the past, you would have to go back.

479
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: Uh you have you have to live in the past,

480
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: you have to go back into the past and live

481
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: for like for you know, a year or two to

482
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: reach the point where you could change history. And there

483
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: are these added complications and that you get into the

484
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: idea that the time stream is like it's like a river,

485
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: and to try and divert a river, there's there's resistance.

486
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: So our character as he goes back in time and

487
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: ultimately sets out on this quest to change history, he

488
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: begins to encounter resistance to the change. So he's trying

489
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: to be injected out of that time stream. Um, yeah,

490
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: to to a sense, it's sort of like there's so

491
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: much writing on the way things work that there's a

492
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: resistance to making small changes in the time stream, but

493
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: he's trying to make a large one, and in doing so,

494
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: the forces against him are are almost immeasurable. So it's, uh,

495
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating read. It's really one of the best

496
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: King books I've read in quite some time. So they recommend, well, yeah,

497
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: and I think that again, he is someone who is

498
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: also just a master at his craft, and so I

499
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: can't imagine a bad turn at a character or even

500
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: just a plot line with him. And you also learned

501
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: way more about the Kennedy assassination than you ever thought

502
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to know. Okay, that means that you can

503
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: drop in on those conspiracy theory chat rooms, right, Yeah,

504
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: and then you know what they're talking about. You know

505
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: who some of these figures are because they show up

506
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: as figures in this book because part of it too.

507
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: If the character goes back in time and he's not

508
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: certain there's no one, they think there's like a nineties

509
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: something percent chance that it that it is just the

510
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: lone gunment theory. But what if you don't want to

511
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: go back and and kill Lee Harvey Oswald if there's

512
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: even like a two percent five percent chance even that

513
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: he's not the guy, and then ultimately you wouldn't be

514
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: able to change your history anyway. Yeah, and by the way,

515
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe is wrapped up into this as well, So

516
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: you have fitting fitting pair of books there for the summer. Indeed,

517
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: all right, My last pick here is Cabinet of Curiosities,

518
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: My Notebooks, Collections and Other Obsessions by Guiannimo and Mark

519
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: Scott Zacrie. And this was actually a book that I

520
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: got for my husband because um, he likes Del Toro

521
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: and he really likes a lot of this for I

522
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: don't know if you would call it this like monster aesthetic,

523
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: an art, grotesque ery. I don't know, but I've been

524
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: pouring through it. It is kind of a much bigger,

525
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: deep than that Daily Ritual's book I was talking about

526
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: where you get to appear into artist lives. Here is

527
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: this this really like lens into del Toro's life. You

528
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: get to see his collection, just stuff that he collects.

529
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm looking at this picture right now of

530
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: a life size sculpture of HP Lovecraft by Thomas Cubler,

531
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: which is watching over the horror library at the Bleak House. Um,

532
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean he has a life size closure of HP

533
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: Lovecraft leering at you as you walk around the house.

534
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: Very odd look on HP lovecraft face. And so you

535
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: also have some of his influences, so Mary Shelley and

536
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: Lovecraft of course, and Arthur mackin ed Garland Poe is

537
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: it Macinnermashon, I'm not sure, but author of The Great

538
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: God Pan which is an extremely creepy short story. Yeah.

539
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: So in this sense, I think you get a lot

540
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: more than you would bargain for from someone who is

541
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: um a director, right, You would normally think, oh, maybe

542
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: I'll get a little bit of access to how he works,

543
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: but no, you get everything. It looks like here um

544
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: short of a personal tour of his own home. So

545
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: I just thought it was great for anybody who is

546
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: interested in some of the monster science that you have

547
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: been covering, um, and anybody who is interested in his films,

548
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: because he's got thoughts for new films kind of scribbled

549
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: in there, bits of dialogue. Um, He's got other bits

550
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: of dialogue from plays and from stories that have colored

551
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: his perception. And then of course just his sketches are fascinating. Yeah,

552
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: his sketches are amazing, And apparently when he pitches projects

553
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: like the sketches are very much a part of it,

554
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: and they're the sketches sketches are are part of his

555
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: writing process and a part of his way of of

556
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: bringing his own ideas together and then ultimately presenting them

557
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: to the studios. Yeah, so it is really kind of

558
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: like cracking up in his brain. You're able to see

559
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: all his obsessions, his influences, and then how he thinks

560
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: and his representation of that and sketches is beautiful. Yeah, yeah,

561
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: not a beautiful but horrifically beautiful. Yeah, that's the thing.

562
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: He gets horrifically beautiful better than than just about anybody.

563
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: And I mean certainly see in his work there's there's

564
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: so much monstrosity. He genuinely loves monsters and understands what

565
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: monsters are. You see a great deal of Catholic imagery.

566
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Like especially with Blade too. I love that he created

567
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: a vampire that could only be killed by staking it

568
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: through the side of the rib cage. Uh as in

569
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: the same way that Christ dies on the Cross when

570
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: the spear enters the rib cage and pierces the heart.

571
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: Uh And he you know, he has his whole, this

572
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: whole design in place where the bone is u is

573
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: too solid over the heart so you can only go

574
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: in through the side. I mean, it's just I love

575
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: the man's aesthetic. It's wonderful, which makes it that much

576
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: more exciting to know that he's working on HP Lovecrafts

577
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: at the Mountains of Madness. And in fact, there's a

578
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: couple of pages dedicated to that as well, So that

579
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: level of detail. Seeing that come across and a film

580
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: is would be amazing. Yeah, I really, I really hope

581
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: that project comes together. It sounds sounds wonderful. Alright. I

582
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: have one more reading suggestion, and this one has to

583
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: do with monsters, and it's for young readers, so um uh,

584
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: this one is certainly worth picking up. It's called Monsters

585
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: and Water Beast Creatures of Fact or Fiction by Karen Miller,

586
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: with illustrations by Sergio Rousier. And this is uh. This

587
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: looks at a number of different monsters, including Bigfoot, the

588
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: Big Bird of Texas, hoop Snakes, Mothman, the Jersey Devil,

589
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: and then the water Beast, uh, Sea Maiden of Biloxi, chant,

590
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: the Sea Serpent of Gloucester, and the Cadborosaurus. Uh. This

591
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: is uh. This is ultimately a skeptics book on monsters

592
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: for young readers. I mean, I mean I enjoy it,

593
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: so you don't have to be you don't have to

594
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: be too young to get into it. But it's uh,

595
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: it's wonderfully illustrated. It's it's looking at these creatures from

596
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: a skeptical point of view, but a fun point of view.

597
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's not full of negativity. It

598
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: doesn't say don't love your monsters, because clearly this is

599
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: a book that loves the monsters. While also saying, hey,

600
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I can, I can love this and also a lie

601
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: a skeptic mind to it. So if you have a

602
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: young reader or not a young reader in your household

603
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 1: that is interested in monsters and and has that kind

604
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: of skeptical mindset, then I highly recommend it. Indeed, which

605
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: is actually a good reminder about your monster series called

606
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: Monster Science. You should check that out on our mind

607
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: Stuff YouTube channel. Yes, we have six episodes of it,

608
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: and we're plotting six more. I'll let you know when

609
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: those come to fruition. All right, Well what about you, Julia,

610
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: do you have anything you were planning to read later

611
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: this summer or later this year? Well, what's what's on

612
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: the future? What's on the two? Read shell Um The

613
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: Martian by Andy, We're in The Leftovers by Tom proto

614
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: which Nolan, producer told me he is actually being made

615
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: into a series. I believe. Oh. I've seen the ads

616
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: for it an HBO and I can't tell what it's

617
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: about except screaming and pain. And I think it's people

618
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: who suddenly disappear. Really yeah, yeah. I have picked it

619
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: up in my hands a couple of times and looked

620
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: at it, and I have bought it yet, but it's

621
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: on my list very very good. Uh. Two things I'm

622
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: looking forward to reading. One, I don't know when this

623
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: is coming out, hopefully sometime. It's supposedly coming out this year,

624
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: sooner the better for my taste. And that is The

625
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: Unholy Consult by our Scott Baker. I've mentioned Baker before

626
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: on the podcast, probably way too many times. Actually he uh,

627
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: he's written. He wrote a Disciple of the Dog, he

628
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: wrote Neuropath, and he also wrote the trilogy The Prince

629
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: of Nothing trilogy, followed by the the trilogy The Aspect Emperor.

630
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: This is the third book in the Aspect Emperor trilogy.

631
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: These all these uh, the both these trilogies take place

632
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: in this dark fantasy world that it's created. You can think,

633
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: think Game of Thrones, but with more sort of dark

634
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: love Craft I and Clark Ashton Smithy sort of magic

635
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: going on. But also Baker is deeply immersed in um

636
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: in philosophy and neuroscience, so all all of everything he's creating,

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Speaker 1: Uh that that character is is struggling with with the

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Speaker 1: with his own self in a way that really forces

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Speaker 1: you to reconsider uh you know, your own predicament. It's

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Speaker 1: it's tremendous stuff. I highly highly recommend it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: really looking forward to reading Beyond Holy Consult when it

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Speaker 1: comes out. A bit of nonfiction that I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to reading as of this morning is The Body and

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Speaker 1: Pain The Making and Unmaking of the World by Elaine Scary.

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Speaker 1: I heard about this one listening to the episode Unspeakable

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Speaker 1: Acts on the CBC radio program Ideas with Paul Kennedy, which,

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Speaker 1: check it out if you haven't. But this this book

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Speaker 1: by Scary, apparently, you know, gets into this idea of

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Speaker 1: pain and torture in a really deep manner. Looking at

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Speaker 1: pain is is frame breaking, context breaking, our difficulty to

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Speaker 1: understand the pain of others, the terrible power of torture

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Speaker 1: to destroy the language. Uh. There's a quote just from

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Speaker 1: the intro of the book where she says, this book

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Speaker 1: is about the way other persons become visible to us

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Speaker 1: or cease to be visible to us. It's about the

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Speaker 1: way we make ourselves available to one another. So I'm

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Speaker 1: as someone who has late been been interested in elements

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Speaker 1: book for me. Yeah. It sounds like she'll be covering

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Speaker 1: the territory of of objectifying someone and creating that space. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like a very interesting realm to explore. Yeah, she she

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Speaker 1: speaks in this uh this Ideas episode. I mentioned unspeakable acts,

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Speaker 1: and it's really really interesting to hear her talk about

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Speaker 1: thought about yet. So so yeah, check check out the

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Speaker 1: Ideas of podcast radio show and and check out The

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Speaker 1: Body and Pain if this is the topic of interest

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Speaker 1: to you as well. What does the author's name again?

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Speaker 1: Elaine scary S C A R R. Y Okay, So

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Speaker 1: dominative determinism at work again? Yeah? Yeah, indeed, part philosophical meditation,

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Speaker 1: part cultural critique. All right, Um, I bet you guys

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Speaker 1: have some books that you would like to recommend, But

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Speaker 1: please let us know, like, what is the number one

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Speaker 1: thing on your list to read or that you would recommend.

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Speaker 1: Either way, we would love to know you can find us,

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