WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Michael Eric Dyson On Trump-Biden Rematch, J. Cole's Maturity, Beyonce's Achievements + More 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.200 Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning. 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:09.039 Everybody's DJ n V Jess hilarious, Chelamine the guy. We 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.000 are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guests in 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.440 the building. That's right, the good brother Michael Eric Dison. 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.520 Welcome back, brother, Hey, it's good to be here. The 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:16.959 new digs they looked great. 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.840 Wow, man, sal how come no pictures of dicing on 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:25.640 the walls headline the same thing you got the crispy here. 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:25.720 No. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.040 I had to get it faded up before I came here, man, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:29.840 you know, I had to hang with y'all. I had 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:30.720 to get right. Man. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.880 Now you in town for the National Action Network Summit. Yeah, 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.280 something the good brother, Reverend Shoping had been doing for years. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:37.440 But what exactly is that. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:42.040 Well, it's a convention, an annual gathering for his organization, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.599 National Action Network, and it's a remarkable gathering of all 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:46.160 kinds of folks. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:47.519 I was at the gala last night. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:52.240 He's honoring everybody from Whoopi Goldberg uh, to Caroline Wanga, 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:57.400 the CEO of Essence UH to to you know, the 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.000 the young lady Alexis Magil who runs the Planned Parenthood. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.840 So it's an awards banquet, but the entire gathering, you 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.840 might see Vice President Harris, you might see President Biden, 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.240 you might see Charlamagne the God rolling through their DJ 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:15.600 envy And it's an incredible gathering to talk about politics, culture, 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.200 religion and what we do as a society to respond 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.440 to the need for justice. And I'm actually a keynote 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.440 for the Minister's luncheon on Friday to try to talk 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.080 about social justice and the necessity of the church connecting 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:32.600 to the social justice arena. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.360 Okay, well it is a big election. Yeah, it is 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.200 a big election. Bro man. How you feel is Biden? 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.920 How you feel about Truma? The rematch? American does not 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.520 wanting It's true, but it's what we got. 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.920 You know. I want the Lakers to be every year 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.120 in the finals, because I was raised as a Lakers fan. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:52.320 But that ain't who's plan. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.320 You know. It's probably gonna be the Nuggets and maybe 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.080 the Celtics, So you gotta choose one of them. And 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.600 the thing is is that, yes, we think we want 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.560 better choices because we want better choices. We think that 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.800 better people should run because we think better people should run. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.200 But these are the people running. I happen to believe 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.120 that there is not even a question for black people 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.800 of who to choose. I mean, Joe Biden has been 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:22.400 far above anything that President or ex President Trumps provided. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.799 I saw him in the What was it talking about jobs, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.440 bro I mean, the unemployment rate of Black America now 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:31.720 is about five point six. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.760 When Biden came into office, it was nine point three. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.639 He's talking about money and checks, and I see Sexy 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.079 Read and other rappers talking about he gave us a check. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.360 First of all, please study your politics and ya civics. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.120 That's the Congress that allotted that money. Plus is yodo. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.920 And if you're going to count that way, then count 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.960 what Biden did for relieving the burden of people paying 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.280 back their student loans, and on and on and on 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.280 when we look at every metric, not only putting a 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.240 black woman in the Vice president office, not only putting 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.400 a black woman on the Supreme Court, but doing programs 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:10.799 that lift all boats, that address African American people specifically 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.480 in some instances, but more broadly issues that are concerning us, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.200 whether it's about discrimination and housing, whether it's about not 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.679 only student loans, but every effort of education, kicking kids 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.200 out of school early and on and on and on. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.600 It ain't no question for me. Donald Trump is a 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.440 vortex of bigotry. He is the leader of the big autocracy, 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:35.280 the rule reign and tyranny of forces that are antithetical 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.960 to our best interests, not only as black people, but 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.520 as a nation. And when we look at every indication 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:43.680 of where we are as a nation, this is a 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.400 guy who's still standing by people who supported January sixth, 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.160 the insurrectionist. He's trying to make them American patriots, but 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.520 demonizing Black Lives matter, demonizing. 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.160 People who protest for the right and ability to live. 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:00.760 In this nation without the unjust encumbrances imposed on us 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.720 by white supremacy. So I don't understand what black people 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.360 see in Donald Trump's swag. I mean, come on, this 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.360 borrowswag at best, it's referred swag at best. I mean 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.880 Barack Obama had swag coming down Air Force run. It 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.480 might as well been, you know, fifty cent planning in 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.760 the background. I don't know what you heard about me, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.080 but the reight can't get a dollar out of me. Right, 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.840 he had swag, but he had a tan suiting people 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.440 went crazy. Now, Donald Trump the face of neo fascism, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.720 the face of an authoritarian government that is already indicated 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.680 if he gets back in office what he's going to do. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.320 There ain't no choice for us and black people. We 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.640 got to wake up. These are the things we have 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.360 to attend to. And look, you saw the article I 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:45.760 think in the New York Times yesterday that said recently 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.040 that said that Donald Trump and the Republican Party are 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:54.080 supporting third party interest because those detract from and take 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.279 votes away from Joe Biden. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.159 So we know in a tight race, every vote counts. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.400 Tell r RFK Jr. 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:02.120 In particular. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.320 And I think that again, this is not time for 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:10.680 this extended journey of narcissism, this escapade of self deification. Bro, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.760 these are serious issues at stake, and Black folk got 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:14.640 to get out there and vote. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.640 I don't disagree with anything that you said, but I 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.120 think that we don't take the time sometimes to take 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:24.880 a step back and see why people do gravitate towards, 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.080 you know, somebody like Trump, Because I keep telling folks 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:28.800 over and over, you know, people will forget what you did, 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.040 they'll forget what you said, but they won't forget how. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:32.159 You made them feel. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.640 In twenty people felt they got the stimulus checks, they 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.440 got the PPP loans, so they felt like it was 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.400 more money in their pocket. Now, what I tell folks is, 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.560 let's think about how we got there. We got there 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.840 because of Donald Trump's mishandling of COVID. So do you 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.240 want to see millions of people die thanks in order 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:49.960 for you to get that check in your pocket? 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:50.240 Right? 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.520 And I think the other problem is the Democrats just 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.040 do a terrible job messaging. And I think sometimes we 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.160 helped them with terrible messaging because we spend so much 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.520 time talking about how bad Donald Trump is, knowing you 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.159 ain't gonna change none of those people in mind who's 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.840 supporting Trump. You don't talk about the good that the 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.440 Biden Harris administration is doing enough. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.719 I think amen, I mean absolutely right. And they could 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.960 do a better job of evangelizing their own evolution, their 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.920 own viewpoints, and what they've done for black people and others. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:21.920 But you you know, you damned if you do, then 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.800 you damned if you don't. Look on your show, Joe 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.440 Biden made a joke. He was like, if you don't 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:27.520 vote for me, you ain't black. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.680 Oh my god, I don't know that was a joke. Well, 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:31.480 here's my point. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.320 We say we want a white person who understands us 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.200 and con vibe with us, right, Bill Clinton playing the saxophone, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.760 but more importantly understanding the limits, the interests, the ideals 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.360 of Black America. That was an inside joke, Joe Biden saying, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.720 if you don't vote for me, that's a bit of swag, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.000 if you will, by saying, by promoting the fact that 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.720 he understood the inside language and discourse of Black America. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.040 That was not laying laying claims to the fact that, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.360 of course, if you are authentically black, then I am 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:03.280 the only choice for you. 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.480 That was a bit of swag. And then we're tripping. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:06.920 We don't want it. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:08.599 Say if you go for Trump, you voting get your 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.520 own interest. I mean, he ain't lying. I don't detect 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.680 no lives. So I'm saying, if he's got that, we 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:14.280 don't mind it. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.760 If you know, you know some rapper who's white doing it, 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.480 you know, if it's Eminem and you know doctor Draken 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.480 Sentim said he's the coldest brother on the microphone and 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:24.680 what he does and blah blah blah. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.200 So we don't mind that kind of swag. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.400 But if a guy who understands us who's had Look 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.160 look complicated histories. 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.160 You know, people are constantly pointing, well, look at Joe 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.320 Biden in the nineteen nineties, bro, what have you done 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:35.560 for me? 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:35.920 Lately? 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:37.880 People evolve and grow, they change. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.120 Now Joe Biden is still saying the stuff he said 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.200 back then about you know, not wanting his kids to 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.840 be involved in a racial jungle or you. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:46.920 Know, against busting. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.840 Well find me a white person that really wasn't against 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.960 busting at that particular point, even in enlightened white liberals. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.520 Now, my point is not to say that he is perfect. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:55.880 He's not. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.840 The point is, though, what has he become? What is 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.000 he evolved to rock him said, it's not where you're from, 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:01.560 is where you're at? 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:02.560 What is he doing now? 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:07.080 What is his interest in our progress? And what do 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:12.160 we get from supporting that particular figure Donald Trump? Again, 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.000 your point is right, Let's figure out why. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.360 People are attracted him. It ain't it ain't great. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.320 I mean, we could be attracted him because rappers who 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.520 put Donald Trump on understood that Donald Trump was like them, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.840 swag a lot of bravado. But we see he ain't 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.800 got the He lying like most rappers, you know, about 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.520 what they got. When Jay Z said, well, hey hey, homeboy, playboy, 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.000 where's those those diamonds? That's not what you said. Where's 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.199 the hummer? That's not what you said you had. So 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.199 we know a lot of rappers lie, that's what they do. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.280 So Donald Trump was attractive because he was a liar. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.880 He was full of mendacity. Here's a guy we're talking about, 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.280 Joe Biden back in the day. You and your daddy 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.640 are racist in terms of the what buildings you owned 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.160 and not wanting black people to be there. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:56.959 So if we gonna do it, let's go to for tap. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.720 But my point is that, yes, at this point, don't 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.319 we we understand enough of why black people might be 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.160 attracted him some black men. Let's go there, some black 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.920 men because of the swag of patriarchy, a man in charge. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:11.680 He's talking about grabbing stuff. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.440 This is vicious. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.280 Repudiation of an enlightened sense of masculinity. You ain't got 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:18.839 to do that in order to be a man. So 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.960 everything that Donald Trump represents that is attracted to us 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.679 ain't great. So let's get a do away with the 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.400 kind of patriarchy, the misogyny, the sexism that royal so 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.640 much of our community in ways that are destructive, whether 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:32.959 we see it in the church or the temple of 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:34.480 the synagogue and so on, or whether we see it 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.360 in schools. So the point is, yes, let's examine why 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.280 black people may be attracted or others. And we ain't 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.640 gonna change their minds, but we can change enough minds 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.079 within our own community to say, don't vote against your 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:47.480 own best interests. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.080 And in that case, I think there's little choice about 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:51.439 who we should vote for on that day. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.560 Well, you say the black conservatives who say our best 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:54.679 interests are conservative. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.880 Rue, That's why so few of them, they numbers speak 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:03.640 for themselves, right, Black conservatives are quite interesting. You know, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.360 you had a wonderful interview here with Canda's owns. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:08.920 She ain't you know what's interesting to me. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:14.520 Candi's owners ain't apologized for what she said about George Floyd. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.599 She made an entire documentary, but you know, besmirching this 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.360 man's attitude posthumously, no apology for that. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.439 If that's how you feel, why should she apologize. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.680 Well, first of all, because she shouldn't have. She should 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.000 apologize because she's wrong. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:28.600 Number one. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.520 Number two, she can feel that way, and that's your 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.000 point about feeling. Let me connect these two black people 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.480 what we feel as opposed to what we do. Sometimes 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.680 you don't feel like loving your partner, you don't feel 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.640 like loving your wife or your husband or the person 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.360 you wit, but you do it out of what a 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.240 sense of duty and obligation. Those are not bad words. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.040 So just because she felt that way, the facts show 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.840 that's not true. The stuff she tried to make up 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:54.319 has been empirically disproved. At the same time, here's a 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.319 man lying on the ground begging for his life that 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.680 millions of black people can identify with, and she's trying 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.959 to turn it into some conspiration see of black you know, 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.080 refusal to be responsible. You know her and Jason Whitlock. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.920 These are people who are destructive for our community. And 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.520 Candace Owns gets a break because white folk got rid 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.839 of her, The right wing got tired of her on 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.839 the issue of Israel versus Palestine when she had a 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.480 fleeting moment of revelation. And now she's accepted and embraced. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.000 If that's what black conservativism is her or Jason Whitlock 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.280 or Clarence Thomas, who has been a singular source of 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.720 destruction for our people. The black conservatives ain't that much 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:36.600 to recommend for their particular viewpoint. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.160 This is what I think we're missing, And I'm not 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:39.280 defending any of these people. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.880 What I think with somebody like a canvas owns, I 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.360 don't think black people, certain black people didn't. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.120 Realize she already had a large audience Black. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.880 She had a movement called Blexit, and that was six 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.560 seven years ago when she was trying to get people, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.520 black people in particular, to get off the Democratic plantation 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.040 and seek other things, whether it was being a conservative, 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.120 being an independent, whatever it is. So I think now 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.360 when people say this thing about, oh, it's black people 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.080 embracing her, it's like, nah, she already had an audience. 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.679 When we say black people are really talking about new 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.840 black people who we wasn't embracing her before, the black 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.679 people who weren't. Look, of course they are conservative black 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:17.600 people in this country. The average Black person, without respect 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.840 to politics, is culturally and religiously and morally conservative. They 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.480 believe in tank commandments. Yeah, they might want to support 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.920 a woman's right to have abortion, bodily autonomy, but for real, 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.120 for real, when they go to church, they're concerned about 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.200 the fact that you might be a bored in a baby, right, 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.440 So you can have a particular religious viewpoint about an 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.800 issue and have a political and understanding the political consequence 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.920 of that viewpoint. That's why black people have been radically 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:47.360 dissimilar to white evangelicals and the politicization of white evangelicals 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.280 who have used their religion to try to make this 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.679 a Christian nation. Martin Luther King Junior used his Christianity 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.199 to make this as nation. And that's a big difference. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:13:00.400 When I see people praying in certain legislatures and praising 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.760 to God, I'm an atheist to that, God said I 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.480 only I'm tired of your incense. I'm tired of the bs. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.480 So I'm saying God, if God is an atheist to that, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.079 I ain't gonna believe in it either. So back to 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.160 the point of Candace Owns, Yeah, there are some black 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:14.000 people who follow her. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.600 This. Look the great beloved. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.520 May Angelo, a dear friend of mine whom I loved, 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.360 who I think was right in ninety nine point nine 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.520 percent of time. I think she was wrong about supporting 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.080 Clarence Thomas. Give him a chance. Let's see what he'll 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:26.600 do when he gets in there. And then he got 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.920 there and he his Rex shop every since. So there 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:30.960 are always gonna be Black people who are gonna give 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.480 ear to certain conservative values, viewpoints and visions. The point is, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.439 what are the political consequences of what she's arguing. And 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.360 I'm saying, at the end of the day, most the 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.720 masses of black people are not co signing the kinds 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.000 of viewpoints that black conservatives are putting forward. And Candace 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.800 Owns in particular may have Look, she's bright, she's intelligence, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:55.080 she's articulate, she can be funny, she has a decided viewpoint, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:56.439 and I think she should be able to say that, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.320 and we should be able to say, what you are 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.640 doing is counterproductive to the interests of African American people. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.560 The masses of black people can't co sign that because 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.800 of the masses of black people. Don't see reflected in 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.120 your vision of standing with Kanye West and saying white 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.880 lives matter. I'm saying, at what point. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.880 Within those same black people stand with Kanye West still 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.520 that they do, but not a bunch of them, not 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:19.400 a whole bunch of them. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.360 Not When I'm saying, the masses of black people love 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.000 Kanye for what he did, his music, what he represented, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.320 there's no question about that. The first five six albums incredible, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.360 and some of the music sinci It is incredible. We 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.240 also have an understanding about him because of mental illness, 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.760 and we know that mental health and mental illness are 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.480 things he struggled with in public. So yes, we're gonna 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.040 grant him some kind of recognition and we're gonna stand 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:44.920 up for what he did when he stood up for 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.520 us when he said George Bush doesn't care for black people. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.400 So there were moments in Kanye's evolution where he made 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:55.000 significant political interventions in the name of a kind of 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:59.480 understanding of that blackness. Viscerally, he didn't have a sophisticated 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:00.880 political expression, but. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.040 He said stuff that we could vibe with. So yeah, yeah, 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.320 I got to help Trump in the White House. You 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.640 also hope trumping White House that you momy a superman. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.520 I mean, come on, bro, I mean at that level, 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.160 are we going to ascribe that to an issue of 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.200 mental health or we're going to say that's your choice 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.040 and what you did. Sammy Davis Junior went to the 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.400 White House with Richard Nixon, right, but it was a 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.720 different consequence. He was raising money for black people and 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.080 standing behind us and by us. So I think that, Look, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:26.920 Candace Owns and Kanye West. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:27.160 Bless them. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:28.640 They can do what they want, they can believe what 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.160 they want. But we have a right and an obligation 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.640 to say but that is not productive for us. And 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.320 just because you may can doe from that, or some 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.000 black people follow you, the masses of black people enough 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.520 following you, because the masses of black people don't desern 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:46.520 in your belief system, a structure of reliable confidence invested 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.200 in this political order. For you to represent us, you 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.920 ain't representing what we believe. When you believe in things 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.080 you don't understand, then you suffer superstition. Ain't the way 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.840 the great Stevie Wonder said. And some of that conservative 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:02.280 stuff is kind of political superstition premised upon empirical facts. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.560 It's not based upon what we know to be the case. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.040 It's an idealized expression of where we are. So when 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.120 the conservatives latch on, you shouldn't be the color of 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:11.560 your skin, It should be the count of your character. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.520 That was a dream that a man articulated, that was 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.320 not a reality. So again, for Candace Owns to get 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.120 a pass, and this is what I mean by pass, 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.200 not that they weren't already black people following her, but 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.960 for our sympathies of those who didn't necessarily sign on 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.280 to what she believed to now be sympathetic to her 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.320 because she's gotten mistreated by white folks. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.680 That's what we've been telling you. Sympathetic the hurdle. You 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.760 don't think anybody's being sympathetic to Candasons. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:40.760 Oh yeah, there are a lot of people sympathetic to 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.720 Candassones as a black woman. Stand up for her the 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.560 same way I was talking about Maya Angelo with Clarence Thomas, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:47.480 and he's a black man. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.320 Don't jump on him. Let's be concerned. Uh you know, 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:50.920 it could be. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.040 It could be because they agree on the God's issue. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.960 That's probably I can do that. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:01.120 So my point is, again for black concernservatives who articulate 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.000 their ideas and beliefs, that's fine, but most of them 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.440 don't have rooting, In fact, don't have rooting in a 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.760 political order that has respected the integrity of our being, 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.520 that has respected us, that has appreciated us. Some of 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.760 the same white conservatives that they joined with now celebrating 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.720 Martin L. King Junior couldn't stand him when he was alive, 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.600 called him Martin Luther. Kuhm saw him as the worst 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.119 scourge on the American democracy, a blemish to the record 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.800 of the American Constitution of Declaration of Independence. Not embrazen 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.000 then why because they think they can use them. These 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.280 are the same people who stand against the very politics 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.760 that we're invested in, and when black folk do it, 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:40.480 there's an especial assault and insult to us, because y'all 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.840 been there long enough. Clarience, Thomas is a dark skinned 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.480 black man. I'm sure some of his animals toward black 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.400 people has to do with being mistreated by black people 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:49.879 because he. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.119 Was such a dark sand black man. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.720 My daddy was from all Benny, Georgia, a blue black man, 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.560 So as a light skinned Negro, I saw that growing up, 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:02.639 and I saw how people treat him and mistreated him. Me, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.080 being a curly haired used to wear glasses till I 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.920 got my eyes fixed the other day on the cataracts, 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.000 so I can see you now, huh yeah, no, no, no, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.560 I got well, it's like LASiS, but I had cataracts, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.080 so they removed the cataracts. It was lasers and surgery, man, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:17.760 So now I can see I ain't got no glass 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.399 and I can see a handsome all I mean, you know, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.480 the two are not contradicted. I happened to be allergic. However, 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.960 let me be honest that I can't smoke weed, and 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.760 I found out by well anyway. So the point is, 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.959 the point is ultimately at the end of the day, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.040