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Speaker 1: Welcome to us.

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Speaker 3: It's a new month, March first. Welcome to the Just

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Speaker 3: Baseball Show. We are doing top ten Infields as well

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Speaker 3: as some spring training overreactions we have. Are managing editor

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Speaker 3: Ryan Finkelsteide. You created the top ten in Fields article,

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Speaker 3: which you can find on Just baseball dot com, and

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Speaker 3: of course Arm and I are going to go over

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Speaker 3: it say what we like. So we don't like a

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Speaker 3: good old fashioned debate. But gentlemen, it's March first. It

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Speaker 3: feels like baseball's officially back. Once we hit the third

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Speaker 3: month of the year, spring training is starting to run rampant.

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Speaker 3: We are so close to actual games opening days March thirtieth,

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Speaker 3: thirty days left. Arm first spring training overreaction because Jack

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Speaker 3: kind of started doing this, and it's so much fun

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Speaker 3: because we see all of Twitter overreacting to everything that

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Speaker 3: just gather good spring training analysis, so it's much more

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Speaker 3: fun to overreact while also going over some of our

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Speaker 3: favorites so far. So Arm, what's your first spring training overreaction.

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Speaker 2: Oh god. It's funny because we mentioned this before and

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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm sure I'll just have one

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Speaker 2: That's my and honestly like it's an overreaction, but I

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Speaker 2: kind of believe it. Giants prospect third baseman Casey Schmidt

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Speaker 2: one hundred nine nine hour home run, He's a freak.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that's my overreaction thus far, is Casey

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Speaker 3: I love it. It's it's overreacting it. It's finest Ryan, what's yours?

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Speaker 4: I will say. I was thinking in my head, I'm like,

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Speaker 4: Arm's gonna say Casey spent arms gonna say Casey spid

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Speaker 4: So I'm proud of myself on that one. And he

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Speaker 4: he just hit one like Pete Alonzo, and it was

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Speaker 4: the first time a Met has hit a home run

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Speaker 4: obviously he's that good. But the real comp that's gonna

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Speaker 4: few Mets fans comparing this swing path Verannie Mauricio to

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Speaker 4: Jordon Alvarez, which is, yes, Ludicris, that's exactly what we're

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Speaker 4: doing spring training over reactions.

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Speaker 1: The next Jordon, al right, come on.

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Speaker 2: Ronnie maurisios taking years off my life. I still can't

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Speaker 2: believe this guy's twenty one. He looks like he looks great.

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Speaker 3: So I compared Brandon Fought yesterday to Aaron Nola after

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Speaker 3: runs allowed. My next incredible spring training comparison Ricky Tetaman

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Speaker 3: of the Blue Jays, is Chris Sale and prime Chris Sale.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's the Ricky Tetaman I saw after two innings,

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Speaker 1: But better than an arm up. I missed that. That's

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Speaker 2: It was a lay up right there, and you just

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Speaker 2: you just passed it right back to me. I will say, though,

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Speaker 3: That's the scuttle lot out of spring training, and that's

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 3: Our managing editor Ryan Finkelstein wrote the article, and Rum

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Speaker 3: and I are going to debate with him. Ryan, you

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Speaker 3: how did you come up with this with these rankings?

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Speaker 4: Well, i'll tell you the double play combinations came pretty

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Speaker 1: An arm You had a question for Ryan about the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ryan, I remember you talking pre record about that.

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Speaker 3: Who were some of the teams that the catcher just

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Speaker 3: we can't include catchers because then it's more of a

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Arms says is a mental exercise. It did

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. It comes down to what we've seen,

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Speaker 4: So that's really all it came down to. And then

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Speaker 3: We spoke a lot about Bryson Stott in the double

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Speaker 3: I know you're really high on a guy like Brian Hayes,

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Speaker 3: you love his breakout potential this year, is a guy

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Speaker 2: I like Cabrian more, especially with the defense that he brings, right.

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Speaker 3: All right, better defensive middle infield than the Mets duo

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Speaker 3: were able to trade away Luisa Rise to the Miami

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Speaker 3: Marlins for Pablo Lopez. They have the backing here and

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Speaker 3: I know they have some prospects before we kind of

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Speaker 3: get to prospect talk with arm Ryan, the Twins come in,

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Speaker 3: feels like a pretty safe infield. Keir Loff hasn't shown much,

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Speaker 3: but Jose Miranda when he debuted last year just hit tanks,

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Speaker 3: like arm said, And then of course you have Carlos

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Speaker 3: Correa to help, and Jorge Polanco is still a good

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Speaker 3: second baseman. We expect him to have a better offensive year.

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Speaker 3: I agree or the Twins are better than any honorable

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Speaker 3: mention we might have named, but I think the Mariners

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Speaker 3: compete in this kind of realm with the Phillies, like

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Speaker 3: these all feel pretty similar, but you have the Twins

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Speaker 3: at ten.

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Speaker 4: The reason I think the Twins are at ten and

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Speaker 4: we'll get to Karre in a second. I think that

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Speaker 4: there's some questions obviously, but they hedge the questions with

447
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Speaker 4: depth because you have Royce Lewis and you have Nick Gordon.

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Speaker 4: So even if you have some questions about Miranda playing

449
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Speaker 4: thirty or some questions about kirol Lov need to really

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Speaker 4: solidify himself, they could always slide Miranda back over to

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Speaker 4: first and move Polanco around or Gordon, so they have

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Speaker 4: so many options. And then when it comes to Correa,

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Speaker 4: I think after the off season he had, we could

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Speaker 4: see the ultimate Carlos Korea fuck you season where he's

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Speaker 4: just awesome this year. Like I just think that he

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Speaker 4: might come out like a bat out of hell and

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Speaker 4: put up an amazing season. And with that, I felt

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Speaker 4: like combining his you know, immense upside and then the

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Speaker 4: death that they had, it was the top ten in field.

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Speaker 3: Arm It's August fifteenth. The Twins are playing the Reds

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Speaker 3: barring injury, so no one got injured up to this point.

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Speaker 3: Who's starting at third and who's starting at first base.

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Speaker 2: M that is really good because to the point of

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Speaker 2: what things said, well, first of all, I think that

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Speaker 2: point was excellent about Korea. I do think he's gonna

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Speaker 2: come out with a chip on his shoulder, and I'm

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Speaker 2: really interested to see what that looks like, because obviously

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Speaker 2: he wants to prove that he's healthy and he's good

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Speaker 2: incentives to hit two that will pay him a good

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Speaker 2: amount of money. But looking at the infield, like I'm

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Speaker 2: all in on Miranda's bat, I think I think it plays.

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Speaker 2: I honestly think he might be better at third than first,

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Speaker 2: which is rare, but I just think he wasn't that

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Speaker 2: comfortable at first base. He's played more third throughout the

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Speaker 2: minor leagues. Royce Lewis is going to be back, and

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Speaker 2: by that date where they're playing the Reds, he will

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Speaker 2: very much be back. They don't want to play him

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Speaker 2: in the outfield, they probably want to play him in

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Speaker 2: the infield. So I actually think that we could see

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Speaker 2: Off at DH, Miranda at first, and then ultimately maybe

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Speaker 2: a Royce Lewis at third. That'll be my hot take there,

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Speaker 2: So I think it would go Lewis at third. Shortsap

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Speaker 2: carea second base, Polanco Miranda first, and then carol Off

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Speaker 2: being the DH that's an hasty infield in terms of defense,

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Speaker 2: gets a little bit better there with what Lewis brings,

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Speaker 2: and that offense could be really electric. So I think

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Speaker 2: he could be back from the acl TAAR as soon

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Speaker 2: as June, maybe even earlier than that.

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Speaker 3: I think when it all works itself out, you'll see

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Speaker 3: the Twins go up on this list. But I think

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Speaker 3: as we sit here today with no Royce Lewis, and

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Speaker 3: you know, with Alex Kiloff, we don't even know is

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Speaker 3: going to be fully healthy. We assume, but that's just

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Speaker 3: been his problem in the minor leagues and then in

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Speaker 3: his short stints in the Major league so far. So

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Speaker 3: what brings us to number nine is I think a

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Speaker 3: more solidified unit and that's the Tampa Bay Rays at

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Speaker 3: number nine, Estoc Paraides, you have Brandon Lau and Wander

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Speaker 3: Franco up the middle, and then of course Yanni Diaz.

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Speaker 3: But Yanni Diaz played a lot of third base, but

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Speaker 3: he might end up playing a good amount of first

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Speaker 3: base this year. Or it could be a guy like

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Speaker 3: Easak Predez who's most likely going to play third base.

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Speaker 3: Arm I know you have a big read of the

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Speaker 3: Tampa Bay Ray system because they always have guys coming

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Speaker 3: up that we've never heard of, but of course you've

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Speaker 3: heard of. But Rian, just looking at the major league

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Speaker 3: roster for a second, how do you see it slotting out.

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Speaker 4: Well, I just went by what roster resource has, which

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Speaker 4: is Paratus at third and Diaz at first. And also

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Speaker 4: I looked at the stats and Paradis was better at

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Speaker 4: third base last year, so it does make sense to

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Speaker 4: put the better defender there. And then you know, it's

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Speaker 4: the same thing that we were discussing in the double

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Speaker 4: play Combinations episode, right like Wander and Lao. What does

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Speaker 4: that look like? If they are you know, who they're

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Speaker 4: supposed to be and they're healthy, h it could really

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Speaker 4: elevate them on this top ten list. So I think

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Speaker 4: because it's the Rays, because they have a lot of

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Speaker 4: guys that can cycle in, they're gonna have a high floor,

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Speaker 4: and then their ceiling is as high as any team

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Speaker 4: on this list.

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Speaker 1: I agree arm prosper talk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a team infield wise, I think

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Speaker 2: that is as deep as anybody. So I think they

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Speaker 2: have a lot of fallback plans and we're talking about

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Speaker 2: not counting on the rookies, not counting on the prospects.

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Speaker 2: The Rays aren't doing that right. They have Perettis, who

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Speaker 2: they know could be at least an above average hitter

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Speaker 2: or at least an average hitter at the position. They

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Speaker 2: have Yandy Diaz or they know Rakes, but and if

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Speaker 2: Brandon Llows hurt, they've got other options. I think Curtis

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Speaker 2: Mead should be up there asap. I think that's one

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Speaker 2: of the best offensive prospects in baseball. He can play third,

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Speaker 2: he can play first. Jonathan Ronda Rakes, I know you

536
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Speaker 2: didn't show out the way fans had hoped right away.

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Speaker 2: Aronda can play first, and he could play second, and

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Speaker 2: he's a plus hits tool guy who can really swing it.

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Speaker 2: So that's two guys right there that could plug right

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Speaker 2: into the infield. And then they've got the perfect like

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Speaker 2: bench glove guy and Taylor Wallace who's a defensive wizard.

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Speaker 2: So to Ryan's point, they can cycle so many dudes

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Speaker 2: in and out of that infield that there's no way

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Speaker 2: that even if things go wrong, and they've got backup

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Speaker 2: plans that I think could keep them in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I think this is the first one where it's almost

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Speaker 3: you can't argue against them being in the top ten.

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Speaker 3: I could see you arguing against the Twins just because

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Speaker 3: there's more question marks, but the only question mark for

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Speaker 3: the Rays is staying healthy because they have so many

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Speaker 3: options and so many good prospects. And it's not like

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Speaker 3: the Reds right where they have some nineteen year olds

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Speaker 3: in Hia, where it's like, yeah, one day, but Curtis

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Speaker 3: Mead is right now, Jonathan Ronda is right now, like

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Speaker 3: these guys can make impacts today. So number eight, I

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Speaker 3: feel like we move into another tier where there really

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Speaker 3: is in any question marks other than maybe one rookie.

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Speaker 3: But then you have three solidified guys, and I think

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Speaker 3: the perfect representation of that is the Texas Rangers at

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Speaker 3: number eight. Nathaniel Low at first base, who was one

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Speaker 3: of the best offensive first basemen in the sport last year.

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Speaker 3: Marcus Semion one of the best second basemen in Major

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Speaker 3: League baseball, Corey Seeger one of the best shortstops in

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Speaker 3: Major League baseball. But the question is Josh Young, and

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Speaker 3: I really want to ask arm about Josh Young.

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Speaker 1: But first Ryan, I want to ask you because this

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Speaker 1: feels really low on the list right like, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: move up and we're gonna have more debates on where

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Speaker 1: these guys should rank. But in my opinion, and maybe

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Speaker 1: it's my Corey seeger Bia is coming out, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like number eight for the Rangers is just way

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Speaker 1: too low.

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Speaker 4: I hear you, And it's one of those things where

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Speaker 4: we can go team by team below and I can

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Speaker 4: tell you why I had them ahead of the Rangers.

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Speaker 4: But look, it's a great infield if they have three

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Speaker 4: guys that made our top tens with Low, with the

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Speaker 4: two guys up the middle, and I've said it on

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Speaker 4: this show already, I think that that double play combination

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Speaker 4: could hit eighty home runs this year. And if they

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Speaker 4: do that, it's probably the best double play combination in baseball.

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Speaker 4: It's probably the best infield in baseball. But again, I

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Speaker 4: go back to what they just did. Unfortunately, they didn't

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Speaker 4: have a season that we expected them to have in

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Speaker 4: their first year. If they play up to their potential,

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Speaker 4: they will rise up this list. But based on what

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Speaker 4: they just did, based on the fact that Low is

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Speaker 4: not a good defender at first, and we still don't

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Speaker 4: really know what Young is gonna be, that's ultimately why

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Speaker 4: they fell eighth because the teams ahead of them, there's

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Speaker 4: just less of a question based on what they just did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ar Josh Young, You've been a Josh Young guy

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Speaker 3: for a while and in the minor leagues and even

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Speaker 3: you know, back in college, this guy had a special bat.

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Speaker 3: But I think in his first little cameo in Major

597
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Speaker 3: league Baseball he had some struggles. But sometimes that's expected

598
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Speaker 3: with young hit or he didn't hit the ground running immediately,

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Speaker 3: but that doesn't mean it's kind of like the prospect fatigue, right,

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Speaker 3: just because he doesn't hit the ground immediately doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: he's a bad player. Maybe just needs to make some adjustments.

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Speaker 3: Do you see him making those adjustments in year two

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Speaker 3: mostly year one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing too. He was also coming off

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Speaker 2: with torn l abram that you know he tore right

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Speaker 2: around this time last year and then still returned back

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Speaker 2: that same season. Uh, was kind of pressing a little bit,

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Speaker 2: I think in Triple A, crushing homers but swinging at

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Speaker 2: everything to I think trying to prove that he could

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Speaker 2: get up to the big leagues before the end of

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Speaker 2: the year. And got up, But I think that that

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Speaker 2: pressing kind of followed him up there and we just

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Speaker 2: saw him swinging a ton. If he doesn't adjust that approach,

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Speaker 2: I'd be worried. But I feel pretty confident that there's

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Speaker 2: people in Josh Youngzier saying, hey, just you know, just

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Speaker 2: tone down the highest swing rate, Hey, just lay off,

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Speaker 2: because he has good bats to balls skills overall, he

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Speaker 2: was just super aggressive. So I think he can be

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Speaker 2: figure it out, and I think he's going to be

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Speaker 2: a solid bat next year. But I do think that

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Speaker 2: that is if as we're going the rest of the way,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is one of the bigger deficiencies I

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Speaker 2: think or question marks through the rest of this. But

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Speaker 2: I kind of agree with Peter. I think this is

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Speaker 2: an in field that should be ranked higher just on potential.

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Speaker 2: But I can also understand that that think, you know,

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Speaker 2: is just going off of what we saw last year.

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Speaker 2: And the reality is if Nathaniel Low isn't a one

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Speaker 2: forty WRC plus guy like he was last year, basically

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Speaker 2: he's not going to break three wins. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: not going to be more than a three win player.

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Speaker 2: So that does put a lot of pressure on the bat.

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Speaker 2: And then we got to see what that middle infield

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Speaker 2: duo does I agree.

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Speaker 3: I think the Rangers have more upside, But again, going

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Speaker 3: back to Fink's point, it's really hard to rank them

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Speaker 3: over a T TAM with a floor like this, and

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Speaker 3: that's number seven the San Diego Padres. Jake Croniworth at first,

639
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Speaker 3: has Young Kim at second base, Xander Bogart's at short

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Speaker 3: and Manny Machado at third base. One of the best

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Speaker 3: left sides of the infield in Major League Baseball, maybe

642
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Speaker 3: the best, considering we have Manny Machado at number one

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Speaker 3: on their third base ranking and Xander Bogart's at number

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Speaker 3: three on our shortstop ranking. But then of course you

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00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: have has Young Kim at second base, who was already

646
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: a solid shortstop, kind of like Nico Horner. He's a

647
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: slightly above average bat who's a wizard with the glove.

648
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: But you do have Jake Croniworth who had a really

649
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: down year or something kind of out of the ordinary

650
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: for a guy like Jake Croniworth. And I like Jake

651
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: Croniworth when he's playing every single position, when he's utilizing

652
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: his Swiss Army knife, when he's playing all over the

653
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: field instead of limiting him to first base. The Yankees

654
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: have done something similar with a guy like DJ Lemayhew

655
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: when they have a first baseman go down and they

656
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: just need to PLoP him there. I just feel like

657
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: it diminishes his value so much because he can defend

658
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: it so many different positions. But it does look like

659
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: Brian that Jake Cronerworth will be the starting first basement

660
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: opening day for the Padres.

661
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: I actually have a counter to that because I honestly

662
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: think this is one of the underrated values that the

663
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 4: Padres have because with the elimination of the shift, tell me,

664
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: what's a better right side of the infield to combat

665
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 4: the fact that you don't have an extra infielder over there,

666
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: you got Kim and Croninworth covering a lot of ground.

667
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: I actually think that makes this infield even better. You know,

668
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: cronin Worth, the ops did drop like eighty six points,

669
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: I think something along those lines last year, but he

670
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: still hit seventeen home runs and drove in eighty eight.

671
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: I know the counting stats aren't as important, but then

672
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 4: when I think about his role in that team where

673
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: so many guys were out and he had to step

674
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: up with Machado, I think that pressure maybe limited some

675
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: of his stats, like maybe he was walking a little

676
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: bit less and he struck out more because maybe he

677
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: was trying to do more. But he's still had a

678
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 4: pretty good offensive season. I think he was still a

679
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: four to win player. Yeah, I think, I don't know.

680
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: I don't know.

681
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: That's the craziest part, Like, you know, that's I was

682
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: going to say before Peter got into Croninworth, was like,

683
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody's sense, myself included, was that Croninworth

684
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: had had a worse year than he had statistically speaking,

685
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: on the offensive side, it was a huge step backwards,

686
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: but he matched his f war total, Like, I still

687
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: was valuable somehow, And I think it was the defense

688
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: obviously that he brought to the table. But if this

689
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: is your weakest link in the infield, man's that's a

690
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: pretty damn good infield. And I do like the idea

691
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: of that's got to be the rangiest right side of

692
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: the infield in baseball, right a good defensive second basement

693
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: at first and a good defensive short stop at second

694
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: that should combat the shifts limitations pretty well.

695
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: So we were going over our top ten first baseman

696
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: and the classic TikTok comment is where was CJ Cron

697
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: And I combatd that with well, course merchant nine hundred

698
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: ops at course six point fifty ops on the road,

699
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: Yanni Diez had nine home runs. Yeah, he got on

700
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: base at a four hundred clip, which is incredible, But

701
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: a one six WRC plus is Yanni Diez a WRC

702
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: plus merchant? And is Jay Cronaworth a war merchant? I

703
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: think it's a question that needs to start being asked

704
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: because how the hell did he do it?

705
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: Arm you DRSAA just I have no idea, but Halla

706
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 2: was a good season. By all the numbers we look at.

707
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: It seems like you had a good season.

708
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: And here's uh, here's again. I think they're all in

709
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: this same tier because again, one real question mark six

710
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 3: is the Toronto Blue Jays. There is absolutely no question

711
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: marks at first base and shortstop. Vladim mcgeero Junior is

712
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: going to hit bombs for the rest of his life.

713
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 3: Boba Schett is going to have a special bat for

714
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: the rest of his life. Matt Chapman did struggle on

715
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 3: offense last year, but when we were talking on our

716
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: top ten third baseman, it's a cop out, but he

717
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: is in a contract year, which makes me think he's

718
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: going to go nuclear. But Santiago Espinal is such an

719
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: interesting player because Espinal is kind of used as a

720
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: utility guy but really found a home at second base.

721
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: I know they have wit Marorfield two who could play

722
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: some second base but can also play in the outfield.

723
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: Kevin Bigio is still running around somewhere. They have guys,

724
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: but I think it's the second base question is the

725
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: biggest one, because we don't know exactly who's going to

726
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: play there, and if it is Santiago Espinal, what do

727
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: we expect from a guy like this, Because we don't

728
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: really need to talk about the superstars in this infield.

729
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: I think the only question mark is second base, right Ryan, Yeah?

730
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: And I think the fact that they have Wit hedges

731
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 4: that you know, if Espinall's not good, I mean, we

732
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: could see Wit bounce back and on a contender for

733
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: a full year. And that's ultimately why they're this high.

734
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: I mean, really, why they're this high is because of

735
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 4: a shitt and Guerrero, but why their deficiencies don't knock

736
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 4: them down the list. It's because of what you said

737
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: with Matt Chaman in a contract here in the defense

738
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 4: that he brings. And then it's the fact that they

739
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 4: have really three guys that can cycle at second base

740
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 4: if one's not working, and so that's why I put

741
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: them at six. But look six to eight. I do

742
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: think there's a conversation for sure.

743
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there is two.

744
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: It's it's like this own tier of its own, and

745
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: then you get into the top five and there's a

746
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: lot less questions and it's more just about marveling over talent.

747
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: But one thing I wanted to throw at you too,

748
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 3: because you know, Espinal didn't come off like a crazy

749
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: first half and then just falter in the second half.

750
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: But I think it's important to note that three All

751
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: Star Break seven to eleven ops and three hundred and

752
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: twenty five abs post All Star Break six forty three ops.

753
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: I know in July he was really struggling. In September

754
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: he kind of made it up, But it was that

755
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: first half where Santiago Espinal really took hold of the

756
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: position and then kind of trailed off. Like what can

757
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: Blue Jays fans expect from Santiago Espinal next tier year?

758
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of think he's a league average hitter,

759
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, I think he's kind of between what we

760
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: saw in that first half and that second half, and

761
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: I think that's all they really need with the glove.

762
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: And also there's days where if it's a good matchup

763
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: for Cavin Bigo, especially when it's at least a right

764
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: handed pitcher that that they like for Bgio, they can

765
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: start him and he's gonna add some thump, you know,

766
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: like he's gonna be a good platoon left handed power

767
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: bat that they can you know, move around, including at

768
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: second base. But I think that'spen all. It's it's really

769
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: all about the glove, and he's gonna give you a

770
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: great defense. I think he's pretty much an average hitter,

771
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: like almost the definition of average. Like I think he's

772
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: gonna have around one hundred WRC plus pretty much his

773
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: whole career. I think that's pretty much what he is.

774
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, from you know watching uspinall enough, it seems like

775
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: he's a pretty streaky hitter that you know, some of

776
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: these streaks that he has ultimately dive into his overall

777
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: numbers and then they counteract some of those low streaks

778
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: right where he puts up a five hundred ops in

779
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: a month, Like it's just weird. Going through like his

780
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: season so far. He debuted in twenty twenty, he had

781
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: a six forty one OPS in his first big league season,

782
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: really small stample in the twenty seven games.

783
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty twenty, Raked hit three to eleven.

784
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: In ninety two games, but then last year to sixty

785
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: seven with a six ninety two o BS. We just

786
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: aren't exactly sure what we're going to get from Espinal,

787
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: which I think separates them from when we get into

788
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: the top five.

789
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: And now I ask you.

790
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: Guys a quick question though, before we get there. Quick question, yeah,

791
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 4: because I I threw this out there in the article,

792
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 4: so I'm just curious what your guys take is when

793
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: you read or if you saw it, If I set

794
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 4: the over under at one hundred and fifty extra base

795
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: hits from Guerrero and Baschett next year, what are you

796
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 4: guys taking? Because that's why they're six to me over

797
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: over That's that's all I'm saying. That that's why that

798
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 4: they are are six on this list is because of

799
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: those two.

800
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's yeah because I'm expecting forty five bombs

801
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: from Vladdie. I'm expecting thirty to thirty five home runs

802
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: and thirty doubles between them. I don't know what that

803
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: adds up to, but I'm sure it's close to one fifty,

804
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: right Arm, Yeah, it's gonna be close.

805
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: It's going to be right there.

806
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: Honestly, that's what I'm saying. I was like forty five

807
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: doubles for Bashett five homers and trying to get to

808
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: thirty on the other side of it for each one.

809
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 4: So it was just something that came in my head

810
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: that I thought was interesting.

811
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

812
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: I love this Cleveland Guardians team, especially their infield, and

813
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: they come in at number five Josh Bell the new

814
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: addition at first base, but they also have Josh Naylor,

815
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: so I guess one of them is going to beching,

816
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: one of them is going to be playing first base,

817
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: but both of them can both play the position defensively,

818
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: so I'm not really worried about that at all. Andre

819
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: Samenez at second, one of the best second basement in baseball,

820
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: put up a six war season last year, and med

821
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: Rosario has really started to get better as a short

822
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: step both defensively and offensively. And then you have one

823
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: of the best overall players in Major League Baseball and

824
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 3: Jose Ramirez. This is where I think the tier it's

825
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: a different tier because there's zero question marks and it's

826
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: only the question is who's going to play first doesn't

827
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: really matter, but we might as well have that debate

828
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: of who we think is going to play the first

829
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: base position, because I know they've been playing Naylor there

830
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: and it's not like Naylor's been doing poorly. Nayler had

831
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: a great year last year, but Josh Bell is that

832
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: who's been there, done that, has been in the league longer,

833
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: of course, and was pretty good last year. I guess

834
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: I'll go to you first. How do you see the

835
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: first base position? Because I think the rest is clear.

836
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Naylor. I think it's Naylor's gig, you know.

837
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: I think given that he's played there, he's comfortable with

838
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: the infield and they're kind of used to him. But

839
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: also the fact that Josh Bell is not the best defender.

840
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: He had a really rough year defensively last year, and

841
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: I think that they'd probably prefer to keep him in

842
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: the dhroll, And I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he

843
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: was looking for a job where he's not going to

844
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: be asked to play that much first base. So I

845
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: think we're going to see him mostly DH Ryan.

846
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 3: I know you were diving into the splits with Josh

847
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: Bell because they're pretty severe, at least when he was

848
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: playing with Washington versus when he got traded over to

849
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: San Diego. Like, what should Guardians fans expect from Josh

850
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: Bell this year? Let's say if he just plays in

851
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: a dhroll.

852
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 4: Well, look over the last two seasons, three hundred games,

853
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 4: I think he was like just over a one twenty

854
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 4: two WRC plus. Now you look at what he did

855
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: last year was like one forty three with Washington, and

856
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 4: then like in the eighties with San Diego, you combined

857
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: the two, you got right around that that number a

858
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 4: little over one twenty. And I think with that he's

859
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: going to improve this team pretty significantly. I think he's

860
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 4: a more feared bat and more established bat to back

861
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: up poser Ramirez and give him some protection. And then

862
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 4: you know Andre Simenez and a met Rosario at the middle.

863
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 4: I guess no one's more qualified to talk about them

864
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: than me, considering I saw both of them at the

865
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: start of their career, and with the med Rozario, you

866
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: were talking about JP Crawford being that line of a shortstop.

867
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: It might be a med Rosario too. I think he's

868
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: right there better. Yeah, I mean he's he's he's a

869
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 4: two eighty hitter. He's not gonna walk, but he's gonna

870
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 4: give you some good at bats. He's gonna go two

871
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: for four a lot, and he's got himself to be

872
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 4: an average shortstop. And that allows Jimenez to be this

873
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 4: kind of superstart the second base position instead of being

874
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 4: stretched a little more thin and short.

875
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: So number four is the Atlanta Braves, and I'm looking

876
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: at the Atlanta Braves infield, and I love the Atlanta

877
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: Braves infield. I don't want to take that away like

878
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: we're splitting hairs here, but when we talk about teams

879
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: that have a question mark, they are one of them.

880
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: And there's a second basement. Aussie Albi's coming off an injury.

881
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: Matt Olsen did have a down year. I expect him

882
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: to be much better. But then, of course you have

883
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: Austin Riley. I would argue that the Guardians could be

884
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 3: in this conversation at four, the Blue Jays could be.

885
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 3: I think the Rangers, like, I don't know about the

886
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 3: Braves this high, especially when there's almost no question marks

887
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: especially with the Guardians, because you do have von Grissom

888
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: at shortstop, and we just don't know what we're going

889
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: to get from him. Arm I know you've been talking

890
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: about von grissomot feels like once a week on this podcast.

891
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 3: But have you done any more dig in any more

892
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: spring training over reactions like as you sit here today,

893
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: because things can change, like opinions can change about a

894
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: guy as we move closer to the season, Like are

895
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: you more excited than at the beginning when we first

896
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: found out that Dansby was going and that Vaughn was

897
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 3: gonna be the shortstop, or maybe are you less excited

898
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: from something that you've seen?

899
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: You know, obviously it's a it's a it's not gonna

900
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: be what they got from Dansby last year. But what

901
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: I'll say, he actually made a nice play the other

902
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: day spring training. I watched every single ball he took

903
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues last year before getting called up

904
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: at short at shortstop, and I just I think he

905
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: can fully hold it down. I don't know what he's

906
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: gonna do with the bat. I won't pretend I can

907
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: know what he's gonna do with the bat. I think

908
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: he's gonna be decent. But even if he's a one

909
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: hundred WRC plus guy and a league average defender, so

910
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: it was literally just put him at that at shortstop.

911
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: Is the star power of the rest of this infield

912
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: enough to put him at four? And I think that's

913
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: the real question, because I don't think von Grisom is

914
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: gonna be a liability, Like That's one thing I could

915
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: say with a lot of confidence is he will hold

916
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: it down like well enough. I don't know how much

917
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: value he's gonna give beyond that, you know, And that's

918
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: where it's it's kind of up to him because.

919
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: The way I was thinking about it, would I rather

920
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 3: have Nathaniel Lowe, Corey Seger and Marcus Semion or Vladdie

921
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: Chapman and Bashett Over, Riley Olsen and Alb's I might,

922
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: but then they all have these young rookies or a

923
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: guy like Santiago Espinal manning the other position. And it's

924
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 3: not like the Braves have a ton of depth here either,

925
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: because we're just looking at the four and maybe that's

926
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: what these rankings are based off of, and we're kind

927
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 3: of just talking about depth, But it doesn't seem like

928
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: the Braves have that backup, like a whit Marfield with

929
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: the Toronto Blue Jays or someone like that who can

930
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: easily slot in. Maybe my forgetting someone that's where I

931
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: would actually list.

932
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.

933
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: They just they don't really have much So if like

934
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: either Olsen or Riley goes down like they could be

935
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 3: in a little bit of trouble here, but overall that

936
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: that would be My one gripe with the list so

937
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: far is that the Rangers are a little bit too low,

938
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: and I think the Braves are a little.

939
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: Bit too high.

940
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 3: Even though I love the Braves, I think they could

941
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 3: win the World Series, but this list I'm a little

942
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: bit lower on him. Give me a pitch, Rne, give

943
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: me why you thought number four.

944
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: Well, I think that it comes down to the corners.

945
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 4: And at one point I was thinking about doing top

946
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: ten corner endfields, and you know, Olsen and Riley would

947
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 4: have been maybe second on that list, behind Goldi and Arnado.

948
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 4: So it comes down to what I think they're going

949
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 4: to get from the corners. And then thinking that, you know,

950
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: if he's on the field, Azy Obvious is going to

951
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 4: be productive at second base, what's Chrishiam going to be

952
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: at shortstop. I think there is a chance that he

953
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 4: can be in above average shortstop. But it really does

954
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: hinge on those two guys at the corners is the

955
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 4: fact that Austin Riley is now a perennial MVP. Can

956
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 4: It's the fact that Matt Olsen in a down year

957
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 4: still hit thirty four bombs and droven over one hundred.

958
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 4: And that's to consider it a down year for him,

959
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: because we saw what he did in twenty twenty one

960
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: and the fact that he could get better and instead

961
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 4: of hitting wherever he was in the mid two hundreds,

962
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 4: he could be closer to two eighty again and getting

963
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: on base at a three sixty three to seventy clip

964
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: and hitting forty bos. And you combine that with Riley

965
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 4: and that's just going to raise the floor of this infield.

966
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 4: So to me, it's if I was to say who's

967
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: going to be better this year, Matt Olsen and Austin

968
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: Riley or Corey Seger and Marcus Simeon, I don't know.

969
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 4: I think I would hedge more towards the Braves duo.

970
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 4: That that's just me, But I also understand the upside

971
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 4: that the Rangers possessed and that's the fun of this conversation.

972
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's a good point. Arm you

973
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: have anything before we move on to number three.

974
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: I think that was the best way you could put that.

975
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: You know how I feel about Riley. I think Wilson's

976
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: going to be a step up, you know, and mean

977
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: closer to what we saw with his final year in Oakland.

978
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: Those two guys could be one of the best offensive

979
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: duos in baseball. So that's It's a sound argument from Fink.

980
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: My only thing I'll argue one more thing for the

981
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: Blue Jays Bishett and Vladdie or Riley and Olsen, that's

982
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: I would take, probably, And then Chapman versus Albi's you

983
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 3: might take Chapman.

984
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: I would maybe we did. We did the Bluees little bit,

985
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 4: maybe they should have slid into the top five. I

986
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: also will say part of this too is probably protecting

987
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: against my Mets bias, where if I had the Braves

988
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 4: too low, I thought people would jump on me like, oh,

989
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: you have the Mets three and the Brave seventh and

990
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 4: you have the Phillies off the list. You know, you're

991
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 4: just full of shit because you're the Mets guy. So

992
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 4: maybe that also is part of.

993
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: It, and Albi's was thirty and one hundred his last

994
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: full season, so you know, I mean, if he's that again,

995
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: you're taking this infield, I think pretty easily.

996
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: And I'm an Albi's guy, so I'm good with having

997
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 3: Albi's there. I mean, it's we're splitting hairs anyway. Number

998
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: three New York Mets. This is where the list gets

999
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: real good, real real good, because the only question mark

1000
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: is a Wardo Escobar and if you ask Mets fans,

1001
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: he's the worst player on planet Earth, when in reality

1002
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: he's fine. And then you combine him with Pete Alonso,

1003
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 3: the best run producer in Major League Baseball. I thought

1004
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: the coolest stat from that First Base article that I

1005
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: think you wrote Ryan Pete Alonzo one eighty seven WRC

1006
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 3: plus with runners scoring position last year. I mean, that's incredible,

1007
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: No wonder he had one hundred and thirty one RBIs

1008
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: is consistently over one hundred with forty bombs. And they

1009
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: have Jeff McNeil our number two second basement in Francisco Lindor,

1010
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: who I think is the number one shortstop. And then

1011
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: you can have a debate of two to five, but

1012
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: I think it's Lindor love the Mets. At three, I'll

1013
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: just give you thirty seconds to just shout and scream

1014
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: and be happy.

1015
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 4: I might need more than thirty seconds because also you

1016
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 4: fail to mention too another part of what I was

1017
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 4: talking about. Alonzo cut his strikeout rate to like fourteen

1018
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 4: percent with runners in scoring positions, so he shortens up

1019
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 4: in those spots two and he gets the two strikes

1020
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 4: and just finds a way to get that run in,

1021
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 4: whether it's sack flies or just finding a hole to

1022
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: get a hit. Look, Alonso has led the league and

1023
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: home runs and RBI since his debut. We have McNeil

1024
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: Lindor as the best del play combination in baseball. That's

1025
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: why they are third on this list. If Brett Batty

1026
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: was their starting third basement and I think he will be,

1027
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: and if he is, what are believes is gonna be

1028
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: and I believe he's going to be. This Mets infield

1029
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: could be the best in baseball. And I can really

1030
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 4: see by June, if not earlier. At Wardo Escobar is

1031
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 4: platuning with Baty. He's better from the right side, so

1032
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 4: he's just facing left handed pitching. He got baby starting

1033
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: against all the right's and that's just gonna take this

1034
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: in field to another level.

1035
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the biggest Brett baty guys.

1036
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 2: I'm all in on baby. I mean, this guy just

1037
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: just absolutely rakes and hits the ball hard and can

1038
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: hold it down at third And to your point, Peter, though,

1039
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: even if he isn't ready for whatever reason, even though

1040
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: I say it with a high degree of confidence, he

1041
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: is he Edward Wescobar wasn't that bad. Like again, I

1042
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: think that's a really important point here. He had a

1043
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: two point three f woar, which, like he was coming

1044
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: off a season where he had a two point six

1045
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: f woar. What what were Mets fans expecting here? Like,

1046
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: I know that it was a slightly down oh ps

1047
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: compared to to what he had the year before, but

1048
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: the WRC plus was one point off. He still hit

1049
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: twenty bombs, Like, were you expecting something? I don't understand

1050
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: why why fans were so frustrated with Eduardo Eskima.

1051
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 4: Well, it's because you look at if you didn't watch

1052
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 4: his whole season, you look at the final numbers, and

1053
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 4: he played to his career norm. But he put up

1054
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 4: like a one to seventy six WRC plus in September

1055
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 4: and hit like nine of his home runs. So it

1056
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 4: was really that last month that got him there, and

1057
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 4: people are remembering him having some drevel months before that.

1058
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 4: I also want to mention you know, Escobar had lost

1059
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: his starting job to Luis gill or May Uh they

1060
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: were platooning and then Giorme got hurt and that allowed

1061
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: Escobar to have that September. Gior May is one of

1062
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 4: the best utility infielders in the game. And Buck Showalter

1063
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 4: love him. I love him and Buck Showalter. The only

1064
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 4: person who loves Luigi or May more than me is

1065
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 4: maybe his parents and Buck Showalter. That's it. Buck Showalter

1066
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 4: called him his irregular starter the other day because of

1067
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 4: the fact that they can play him at third, at short,

1068
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 4: at second, and they're even going to play him at

1069
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 4: first this year. And he got on base at a

1070
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 4: three p fifty clip and for his career he's got

1071
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 4: out on bas at their three fifty clip. He gives

1072
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: you good at bats if he's batting ninth and playing

1073
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: great defense for you. You know, if any of their

1074
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 4: guys go down, they can plug him in and be

1075
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: pretty comfortable.

1076
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: And they have Mark Venta's like they have a lot

1077
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 3: of good young players. Where's Mark Fients And.

1078
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, jord On, Remember Ronny Mauricio? Oh yeah, forget

1079
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: our springs trending over reactions they have in the making.

1080
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 3: Alum, Ronnie Mauricio, jord On Alvaz, basically Brett Batty and

1081
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 3: Mark Vientos, Like, which of those guys should Mets fans

1082
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 3: expect to make an impact this year?

1083
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: Batty?

1084
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: I think Baty's gonna really really really produce. He figured

1085
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: it out last year. This is a guy that hit

1086
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: it hard and hit it on the ground. I know

1087
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: you just talked about Kibrian Hayes last episode and you

1088
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: literally said like you begged him basically the way I

1089
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: beg Oussie Albis to stop switch hitting, you begged Kbrian

1090
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: Hayes to hit the ball in the air. I was

1091
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: doing the same thing on the prospect side with Brett

1092
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: Batty the last couple years and thinking I always talked

1093
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: about it because it was so hard, but on the ground.

1094
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 2: He cut his ground ball rate by like ten percent

1095
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 2: last year, and we saw the extra base hit skyrocket,

1096
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: and it seems like that is just going to continue

1097
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: to happen. We would have saw it more if he

1098
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: didn't get banged up at the end of the year

1099
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: and he's already off to a great start in spring training.

1100
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: I think this is a Rookie the Year dark horse too,

1101
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: because he just really can can impact the baseball and

1102
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 2: has a good.

1103
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: Field to hit. I think this is a new tier.

1104
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: And the reason I say that's the new tier is

1105
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: because every single position is loaded and I don't have

1106
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 3: any question marks. Number two Saint Louis Cardinals Paul Goldschman

1107
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: at first the NLMVP, Nolan Aernado at third. What he

1108
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: finished second or third in NLMVP voting?

1109
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: Third third.

1110
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: Tommy Edmund put up almost a six war season between

1111
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: second base and shortstop and only looks to be getting

1112
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: better offensively. Nolan Aeronado called Tommy Edmund the best defender

1113
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: he's ever played with. Now, I know he's coming over

1114
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: from Colorado, so it's not like he had a ton

1115
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: of good fielders to look at, but I think that's

1116
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: incredibly high praise. I guy like Nolan Arnatto who's played

1117
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: on Team USA teams like has played with a lot

1118
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: of guys and said Tommy Edmund is the best defender

1119
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 3: he's ever played with, and we haven't even gotten to

1120
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: Brendan Donovan, who was whoaed he put up a four

1121
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 3: hundred OVP who is at least close to there, can

1122
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 3: play all over the diamond. I love his profile, right

1123
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 3: from a batted ball standpoint to a plate discipline standpoint.

1124
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,479
Speaker 3: Brandon Donovan should be a big factor here. And then

1125
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 3: you have the potential of Nolan Gorman, who hits the

1126
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: living piss out of the ball, but it's just about

1127
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 3: hitting the living piss out of the ball more than

1128
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 3: he does. Currently, they have so many options, not to

1129
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: mention they guy like Juan Yepez can play on the

1130
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 3: corners like, they have so many good fallback options. But

1131
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: then the actual options that are going to start opening

1132
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: Day are incredible, Like the Saint Louis Cardinals easily should

1133
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: be number two.

1134
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: And that's why this. Even though the Mets have a

1135
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: great infield, you still do have the question marks at

1136
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: third armed. There's no question marks with the Cardinals. And

1137
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: then I think it's just.

1138
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: About talking about their prospects because why not, like they

1139
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 3: could make it impact well.

1140
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: First of all, the weakest link for the Cardinals infield

1141
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: is a guy with a three ninety four on base

1142
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: percentage last year, Like it's it's just that simple, Like

1143
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: that's absurd. And then they've got the other options too.

1144
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: Alec Burlson can even play first, God forbid anything happens

1145
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: to Goldie bits just another guy that technically plays the infield.

1146
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: And then of course they've got you know, Mason Wynn

1147
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: and other prospects too. But it's so hard to believe

1148
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: that this is not the number one infield. And I'm

1149
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: not disagreeing with things. I agree with these rankings here

1150
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: one and two, But it's like, how the hell is

1151
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: this not the number one infield? It's it's how many

1152
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 2: war across the board? Here? What was Goldie like six?

1153
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: Aeronata was seven, Donovan was was three, and Ed was

1154
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: five and a half. Like that's that's stupid.

1155
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: That is stupid.

1156
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: And I think what we should do instead of like

1157
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 3: just keep hammering how good the Cardinals are, let's bring

1158
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 3: in our number one team and just kind of have

1159
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 3: a debate on who we'd rather have, because number one

1160
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: is the Houston Ashros.

1161
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: You got Jose and Bray at first.

1162
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: Remember when he won the MVP in twenty twenty and

1163
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: then hit three hundred last year and finished fifth in

1164
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: f wour a month first baseman, Yeah, he's still hitting.

1165
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: Jose al Tuovey was the fourth best hitter in Major

1166
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: League Baseball by WRC plus, not fourth at second base,

1167
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 3: fourth and major League Baseball Jeremy Pania established himself as

1168
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 3: one of the best defenders at the position and then

1169
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 3: won the ALCS MVP and the World Series MVP. And

1170
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: then of course you have Alex Bregman who just brings

1171
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 3: his lunch to the ballpark every day and just hits,

1172
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: just hits, and his hit his entire career. Yeah, he

1173
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: had that little conspiracy thing where he couldn't have breaking

1174
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: balls that well, that's thrown out the window. Arma was

1175
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 3: talking to Jack on the last podcast. We were talking

1176
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 3: about their base and I was like, my Yankee biased brain,

1177
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 3: I have nothing else to say anymore because they beat

1178
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 3: the conspiracy theory, so everything else is harboring in my soul.

1179
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: What am I going to say?

1180
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 3: Now?

1181
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: Now they'll be the case. They'd beat the case one hundred.

1182
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: I mean to see what Bregman did last year. I

1183
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: think it's a huge thing that puts him over the top.

1184
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: Right.

1185
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: If Bregman was like kind of like the banged up

1186
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: form he was in twenty twenty one, we might be saying, Okay,

1187
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: it's a little closer, but he's right back to five

1188
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: and a half when season last year. He's right back

1189
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: to hitting bombs, getting on base, and always playing good

1190
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: defense there. Ultimately, what are the separators here for you guys?

1191
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: Because I think there's a couple of things that it

1192
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: bloils down to for me. But you have the Cardinals

1193
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: who have two top three MVP finalists, one of them

1194
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: being the one that won it. And then you've got

1195
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 2: that middle infield duo that is just defensively incredible and

1196
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: good with the bat. But then with the Astros, you know,

1197
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: you have what you just mentioned, Peter, what you just

1198
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: broke down there, like what is the biggest distinguishing factor

1199
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: between the Astros and the Cardinals? Because I think that's

1200
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: just an interesting conversation itself.

1201
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you the reason why I went Astros

1202
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 4: was the addition of Jose to Brew into an in

1203
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 4: field that just won the World Series and thinking about

1204
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 4: what he could bring to their lineup. I was just

1205
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 4: kind of playing with it in my head. I'm like, all right,

1206
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 4: if you could now slot in you know, a bray

1207
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 4: You where Bregman was hitting, and moved Bregman into the

1208
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 4: two hole and Bompagna down the order. I mean they

1209
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 4: can go out Tuve to Bregman, to jord On to

1210
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 4: a bray You to Kyle Tucker. I mean it's maybe

1211
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: just the fact that the Astros of the team are nasty,

1212
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 4: but that infield is so good and it's splitting hairs

1213
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 4: Cardinals versus the Astros. I could have gone either way.

1214
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 4: I really thought about it. Ultimately, I just felt like,

1215
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 4: you know, Goldie and Aeronado better than Altuve Bregman, but

1216
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 4: how much better? And then if I broke it the

1217
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 4: other way Edmund Donovan versus Paynya a bra You, I

1218
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 4: just felt like a bray You was the best player

1219
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 4: out of the bunch. Thought that Payna. You know, I

1220
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 4: already did the whole Paenya thing with Kolby, so I

1221
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 4: don't even get into that. But I think Pain is

1222
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 4: the better shortstop, and so with that, that's why I

1223
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 4: leaned Astros. But I wouldn't tell you you're wrong. If

1224
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 4: you told me the Carlos are better. I think they're

1225
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 4: about even. Honestly, it could be one A, one B.

1226
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: So what I did right now. I don't know if

1227
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: anyone watching on YouTube is like, what the hell is

1228
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: he writing down? So what I'm writing down on a

1229
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: little posted note. I don't have my iPad like that,

1230
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: nerd Jack. I have the Astros and the Cardinals, And

1231
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: what I was thinking is we go by each position

1232
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: and we give them five stars, right or four stars?

1233
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: Three stars?

1234
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: Two stars will work out right down and then we'll

1235
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 3: add up the stars. That's I feel like the best

1236
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 3: way because it's like, yes, al two vas better than Donovan,

1237
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: but like that matters because that gap matters for what

1238
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: the other gaps are because if we just go position

1239
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: by position, it doesn't really solve anything because we were

1240
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: probably going to get two to two and then we're

1241
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: just gonna sit here, you know, not having an answer.

1242
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: So Astros, A bray You and Goldie. I'm gonna give

1243
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: five stars to Goldie. I think that's pretty fair, right,

1244
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 3: five star? Do we give four to a Brave you?

1245
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 4: I think so he's closer to a four star?

1246
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1247
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: Four star guy? All right, I'll two va. I'm giving

1248
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: him a five star. Not is Donovan a three or

1249
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 3: four star? Second basement? I think he's right now we.

1250
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: Just need to see. We needed to see he's no,

1251
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: we're not doing decimals. We got to make a decision

1252
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: here on the just baseball.

1253
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 4: I think he's slugged under four hundred last year. Three

1254
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 4: stars good, better than that good. Yeah, it's an above

1255
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 4: average starter. I think that's what he is.

1256
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeremy payenya mh probably three. I'm an Edmund over

1257
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: paynya guy. I am an Edmund over Payia guy.

1258
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 3: Defensively, I might take Edmund like if Aaron Od's saying

1259
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: he's the best defender he's ever had. He had more

1260
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 3: defensive metrically here than Jeremy Payna did. Metrically he was better,

1261
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: but of course it was between shorts up and second base.

1262
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: But what makes me feel good about that defense is

1263
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: when he moved over to short the defensive metrics went

1264
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: out the window again. Like it's just wherever he plays,

1265
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 3: he's going to be one of the best defenders at

1266
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 3: his position, and he had a better WORC plus last year,

1267
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: like I would take. I would put Edmond as a

1268
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: four star shorts up and I would put Payia as

1269
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: a three star shorts up today. It could change by

1270
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: the end of the year. I could learn to eat

1271
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 3: those words. But right now, as we stand today, when

1272
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: we're making this list, I give Edmond a four and

1273
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 3: I give Painia three. Probably would be Payia like a

1274
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: three point five and like, yeah, adminute three point eight.

1275
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: But for the for this discussion, I'm giving Pania three

1276
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: and Edmond a four.

1277
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: Where do you stay armed? Because I know what Ryan thinks, I.

1278
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: Can sign off on that. I think Payania has more upside.

1279
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: If I if I'm kind of building a franchise that

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Speaker 2: i'd really think about, you know who i'd prefer, and

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Speaker 2: I strongly consider Pania. But yeah, for this coming season,

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Speaker 2: I think it's very likely that Edmund's gonna accumulate more war.

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Speaker 2: I agree with the Star break down.

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Speaker 3: There, right, like Ryan five and a half score last year,

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Speaker 3: he put up a five and a half four last year.

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Speaker 3: Jemmy Pina could hit a second year wall. It's very possible, right.

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Speaker 3: We saw in the second half he really struggled offensively,

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Speaker 3: but then he just fixed some swing stuff and then

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Speaker 3: just unleashed and he could just carry that over into

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Speaker 3: this season.

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Speaker 1: Be awesome.

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Speaker 3: But I think there's always that possibility. Like Vlatti didn't

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Speaker 3: see anything wrong with Vladdy, but he had a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a down year offensively in his second year.

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Speaker 3: We're not worried about him, but it happens. It's not

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Speaker 3: impossible for that to happen with Edmund. He's been here,

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Speaker 3: and I think he's a slightly better defender. That's why

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Speaker 3: I go Edmond.

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Speaker 4: But let me get I'll bottle up my argument. I'll

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Speaker 4: let you keep the stars as they are, but encourage

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Speaker 4: mem to read my article to get my full breakdown.

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Speaker 4: But there was a hot streak in the beginning of

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Speaker 4: the season, the high streak at the end of the

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Speaker 4: season last year. Other than that, there was four months

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Speaker 4: in the middle where Tommy Edwin was basically like an

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Speaker 4: eighty five WRC plus guy, and he posted a ninety

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Speaker 4: WRC plus the previous two years. I just think that

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Speaker 4: there's a very good chance he's still a slightly blow

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Speaker 4: average hitter that can get hot here and there, who's

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Speaker 4: a great defender at short Whereas with Jeremy Panna, I

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Speaker 4: think that he has more upside because he can have

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Speaker 4: the twenty five home run power. But I'll leave it

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Speaker 4: as it is as far as the stars for this conversation.

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Speaker 3: Tommy Edmond also stole thirty two bags last year. That

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Speaker 3: is important, like he what he makes up for with

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Speaker 3: the home runs because he did hit thirteen last year.

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Speaker 3: It's not only hit seven, still thirty two bags, so

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Speaker 3: we'll have Edmund. So guess what, boys, it's all tied up.

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Speaker 3: As we get into third base with Aeronado and Bregman time,

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Speaker 3: we could say that Aeronado is a five and Bregman

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Speaker 3: is a five, which would make it kind of a tie.

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Speaker 3: But the slight edge, of course, would go to the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals here because Aeronado is better than Alex Bregman. But

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Speaker 3: you could also make the argument that Donovan is a four.

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Speaker 3: You can make the argument that Paynia is a four.

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Speaker 3: But I think from what we've done so far, the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals get the slight edge, right.

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Speaker 5: Arm that exercise, Yes, yes, yes, that said that said

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Speaker 5: Reregman is a big rig X factor in this, but

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Speaker 5: also it's it's just pain me versus Edmund is ironically

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Speaker 5: what this what this ship comes down to, which is

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Speaker 5: what I think has like a master's degree in at

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Speaker 5: this point.

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Speaker 2: And and he's been comparing them to all offseason as

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Speaker 2: an article on that too, which is a great read. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I like the I just feel safer with the Astros overall,

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Speaker 2: with just what they do. But I I could really

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Speaker 2: see it either way. I could see it either way.

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Speaker 2: But there's a legit case that Tommy Edmund and Brandon

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Speaker 2: Donovan up the middle or like below average offensively next year.

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Speaker 2: And if that's the case, like, that's not the best

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Speaker 2: infield in baseball. It's really good defensively in a really

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Speaker 2: good overall, But if you have a middle infield that's

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Speaker 2: below average offensively, like that's that's kind of tough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd almost say, do the Cardinals have more upside

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Speaker 3: and do the Astros have a higher floor because I

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Speaker 3: think Brady Bregman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to know what you're getting.

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Speaker 3: But the only two players that we absolutely know are

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Speaker 3: Goldi and Aernato. Because Edmund we don't know for sure.

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Speaker 3: We're more positive because we have more data to back it,

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Speaker 3: but we are totally positive.

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Speaker 1: And Brendan Donovan we aren't sure.

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Speaker 3: We can say that we are, but everyone knows that

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Speaker 3: anything can happen in baseball.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's the best sport in the world. That's

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Speaker 1: why it's not scripted.

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Speaker 3: That's why you know we do preseason stuff and then

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Speaker 3: we find out what we learned at the end. I

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Speaker 3: would just lean the Cardinals slightly, but it's a great debate.

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Speaker 3: Like it's it's an incredible list. I'm so glad that

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Speaker 3: we did this overall. Let's just let's just recap it.

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Speaker 3: Number one was the Houston ash Shows. Number two Saint

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Speaker 3: Louis Cardinals, three New York Mets for Atlanta Braves. Five

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Speaker 3: we got the Cleveland Guardians, and number six we have

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Speaker 3: the Toronto Blue Jays, Number seven San Diego Padres, eight,

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Speaker 3: Texas Rangers, nine Tampa Bay Rays.

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Speaker 1: Ten is the.

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Speaker 3: Minnesota Twins, and then are honorable mentions Chicago Cubs, Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles Dodgers, and Philadelphia Phillies. My one real issue because

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Speaker 3: splitting hairs with the Rangers, splitting hairs with the Blue

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Speaker 3: Jays and the Braves. My one issue is the Mariners

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Speaker 3: not being on this. I think they have to be

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Speaker 3: on this, and the Yankees should be in the top

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Speaker 3: five now that I CAF and Josh Donaldson are on

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Speaker 3: the left side of the endfield and the Marlins have

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Speaker 3: something to say with Joey Wendell and.

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Speaker 2: Don't sleep on a Riya's Wendle up the middle.

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Speaker 1: Sep don't sleep. But has it been Has this article

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Speaker 1: been released yet? Ryan?

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Speaker 4: It'll be up, you know, like I'll publish it on

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01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 4: whatever day. What's what's today? Guys? I'm lost?

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Speaker 1: Today's Tuesday? Tuesday up as a recording? Can you do

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Speaker 1: me one favorite? Now? The Mariners and the honorable mentions?

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Speaker 1: Just to make me feel good?

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Speaker 4: I mean, shouldn't I snub him if we spent this

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Speaker 4: whole podcast talking about.

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Speaker 3: I guess sure, Mariners fans, I'm with you. I think

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Speaker 3: you guys are honorable mentions, maybe even top ten. Blame Ryan.

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Speaker 3: His dms are open. You can find his Twitter in

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01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 3: the episode description. Send them all the hate mail. I'll

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01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 3: join you. I'll send a DMS with you. But this

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Speaker 3: is a great episode, guys. This is a ton of

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Speaker 3: fun grate list. Ryan really appreciate it. Definitely go check

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Speaker 3: out Who's Better Baseball? It's Ryan's new podcast. He does

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Speaker 3: host a debate show, just recently did Tommy Edmund versus

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Pania. Like all these really fun debates where people

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01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: like to listen to people splitting hairs because that's what

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01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 3: it is. It is such a blast. I love the

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Speaker 3: new podcast. Of course, arm just opens up his bank.

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01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 3: It seems like four days a week for prospects, but

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 3: he's got much more with new prospect interviews coming up

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01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 3: on the call Up. I know I'm out here not

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01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 3: gambling my face off. And you got to go check

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01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 3: out that podcast. World Baseball Classic Preview is coming. It

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Speaker 3: should probably be available Thursday. Just Fantasy Baseball shows doing

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Speaker 1: Arm Ryan. Anything we got to clean up before we

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Speaker 1: say goodbye?

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: Nope, I got nothing. I just just don't sleep on

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: the Marlins middle infield of Ariahs and Wendel. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a problem.

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Speaker 1: I'm fast asleep. And with that, thank you everybody,