Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks.
Speaker 1: You know, over the weekend, I did a couple of
Speaker 1: MSNBC shows, and you know, I want to talk about
Speaker 1: one of my appearances, which was on Aimen Mohadeen's Saturday
Speaker 1: Night show where I joined with my friend and friend
Speaker 1: of the show, Joyce White Vance to discuss a myriad
Speaker 1: of topics, but one in particular has really gotten under
Speaker 1: my skin, and it is this um. Last week the bombshell, well,
Speaker 1: one of the many bombshells that happened last week was
Speaker 1: with regard to Kevin McCarthy And Kevin McCarthy, who we
Speaker 1: know is one of the slimiest Republicans. Why because he's
Speaker 1: a punk. Kevin McCarthy will talk shit about Donald Trump
Speaker 1: right to one out of one side of his mouth.
Speaker 1: Then he'll fly down tomorrow Lago go and kiss Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's a ring because he realizes that he can't get anywhere.
Speaker 1: He's not going to get the speakership should Republicans take
Speaker 1: back the House in November. So Kevin McCarthy is caught
Speaker 1: on these tapes basically saying that Donald Trump bears responsibility
Speaker 1: for the insurrection, that the Republican Party bears responsibility for
Speaker 1: the insurrection, and that things need to change and things
Speaker 1: need to happen. Right, the comments have been played when
Speaker 1: before the leak actually happened, Kevin McCarthy was asked about
Speaker 1: this conversation that was supposed to be a closed conversation
Speaker 1: with House Republicans, and guess what it was recorded. So
Speaker 1: you can't even trust your own people, right, because everybody
Speaker 1: is trying to blackmail somebody else in order to get ahead,
Speaker 1: because that's how the fuck the Republican Party has been
Speaker 1: operating under Donald Trump. Nonetheless, two reporters from the New
Speaker 1: York Times discover these tapes and instead of instead of
Speaker 1: releasing them, they decided to hold onto pertinent information so
Speaker 1: that they could then later turn around and fucking sell
Speaker 1: a book. Now you if you've been listening to Woke
Speaker 1: af you all have heard me when Bob Woodward did
Speaker 1: the same fucking thing with the information that he had
Speaker 1: Donald Trump on tape talking about COVID nineteen back in
Speaker 1: December of twenty nineteen, when he found out information about
Speaker 1: COVID and said on tape, COVID is more dangerous than
Speaker 1: the flu. It is airborne. It is like nothing we
Speaker 1: have ever seen. Then Donald Trump, after saying this to
Speaker 1: Bob Woodward in December of twenty nineteen, would turn around
Speaker 1: when COVID finally arrived in the United States to and
Speaker 1: tell us that it was a democratic hoax. Bob Woodward,
Speaker 1: at that moment that Donald Trump said for the first
Speaker 1: time that COVID nineteen was a hoax, could have released
Speaker 1: those tapes to the New York Times, to the Washington Post,
Speaker 1: to wherever and say, Donald Trump is lying. I am
Speaker 1: currently working on my book, which I'm sure would have
Speaker 1: flown off shelves regardless. But you wanted to hold on
Speaker 1: to that information so that you could fucking make money.
Speaker 1: We saw Bill Barr do the same fucking shit. So
Speaker 1: these reporters, right with the New York Times, they get
Speaker 1: their hands on the McCarthy tapes and turn around and say,
Speaker 1: oh no, we're gonna hold it because you know capitalism.
Speaker 1: Amon asked me on the show this weekend this past weekend,
Speaker 1: Danielle d does media have an ethics problem? Isn't unethical
Speaker 1: that when you have information that could literally change the
Speaker 1: course of history that you hold onto that for your
Speaker 1: own personal gain. And I said in my response that
Speaker 1: here's the thing, at some point in time, our democracy,
Speaker 1: your country, has to be more important than anything else,
Speaker 1: and that includes making a buck. Because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, when democracy falls, right and all agencies fall,
Speaker 1: and you had the opportunity to do something about it,
Speaker 1: and you don't. Do you think that the amount of
Speaker 1: money that you made on that book is going to
Speaker 1: somehow save you from fascism? Do we think that somehow
Speaker 1: that little bit of money right is going to be
Speaker 1: able to withstand the long haul push to full blown
Speaker 1: Putinism in the United States. I don't fucking think so.
Speaker 1: And I'm really really tired of journalists right, the fourth estate,
Speaker 1: which is what we call the media, the fourth estate,
Speaker 1: the ability and the supposed ethics around educating the public.
Speaker 1: This is the whole point, folks. Why I made a
Speaker 1: switch in my career into media, right, working at the
Speaker 1: intersection of media and policy, but then full blown into media.
Speaker 1: Why was that? Because I believe that people on air
Speaker 1: telling the truth is what changes hearts and minds. It
Speaker 1: is what wakes people up, It is what shifts you.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in neutrality, not in the face of
Speaker 1: absolute authoritarianism and dictator's behavior that we are seeing out
Speaker 1: of fucking Florida with Desantists and him taking on Disney,
Speaker 1: a private company. Anybody that goes against Desantists is now
Speaker 1: a fucking target. We think that that's how people should
Speaker 1: function in a democracy, that a private company is not
Speaker 1: able to decide that they believe that legislation that is
Speaker 1: going out that is targeting LGBTQ youth, that is targeting
Speaker 1: LGBTQ people, that they shouldn't have the opportunity to speak up.
Speaker 1: This company that brings in multibillion dollars in this state,
Speaker 1: and now he wants to turn around and make an
Speaker 1: example of them. This is who the Republican Party is.
Speaker 1: And if you have information that can stop them from
Speaker 1: steamrolling the country into fascism and you don't do something
Speaker 1: about that, how do you turn around and call yourself
Speaker 1: a journalist? Right? Because here's the thing, folks, let me
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I do not refer to myself
Speaker 1: as a journalist. I did not go to school for journalism.
Speaker 1: I went to school for politics and got a master's
Speaker 1: in education. Right, Like, those are my degrees. I am
Speaker 1: an opinionator, right, that is my job. But for those
Speaker 1: that are journalists, for those that do the research and
Speaker 1: the reporting and all of these things, I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: if your job is to educate the people, and you
Speaker 1: decide that you would rather make money, why should we
Speaker 1: be listening to you? If your job is to educate
Speaker 1: the people, but you want to keep pretending that this
Speaker 1: Republican Party is somehow an ideological party that cares about
Speaker 1: patriotism and democracy, and you know that to be untrue,
Speaker 1: and you keep handling this party that is clearly a
Speaker 1: cult with fucking kid gloves, then what are you doing? Right?
Speaker 1: This is why I scream most days, because I sit
Speaker 1: and I have to ingest more news than anyone should
Speaker 1: probably have to take in, and I look at these
Speaker 1: people and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1: I appreciate folks, real journalists like Aimin Mohadeen who use
Speaker 1: their platforms to call out bullshit, people like Rachel Maddow
Speaker 1: that use their platforms to really forgive people a deep
Speaker 1: dive into what is going on so that they have
Speaker 1: grounded understanding in facts. Right, you can't make decisions if
Speaker 1: you don't have all the information, and what these journalists
Speaker 1: did was hold on to this information about Kevin McCarthy
Speaker 1: and his belief about who was responsible for the insurrection,
Speaker 1: and that Donald Trump told him himself that he was
Speaker 1: responsible and needed to do something, and then turns around,
Speaker 1: literally like a fucking flip flop, like a fucking pancake,
Speaker 1: heads down tomorrow Lago to go and kiss Donald Trump's ring,
Speaker 1: like he never had that conversation at all. And you
Speaker 1: know what my friend Joyce Van said following my comments
Speaker 1: is that she believes that whoever recorded the conversation bears
Speaker 1: responsibility as well. Because here's the thing. Everybody was on
Speaker 1: that call, All the Republicans were on that call. Somebody
Speaker 1: recorded it, right, So why didn't they do anything with it?
Speaker 1: Why didn't they decide again that the country is more
Speaker 1: important than the bullshit manure that this party is shoveling
Speaker 1: all over the United States. I'm just so sick and
Speaker 1: tired of the spinelessness, right, you know. David Jolly, who
Speaker 1: was on the show, said as well, I'm sick and
Speaker 1: tired of these fucking anonymous op eds. I'm sick and
Speaker 1: tired of people not having any conviction, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the people that we also talked about over the weekend,
Speaker 1: and if you have not seen the viral video of
Speaker 1: Mallory McMorrow, the state senator out of Michigan, who took
Speaker 1: on her republic one of her Republican quote unquote colleagues,
Speaker 1: who made an entire fundraising email referring to this mother, right,
Speaker 1: this white mother, as a fucking pedophile and groomer. And
Speaker 1: instead of doing what Democrats are so fucking good at,
Speaker 1: which is sticking their goddamn heads in the sand and
Speaker 1: pretending that this bully, the Republican Party isn't beating the
Speaker 1: ship out of them right as it pertains to how
Speaker 1: we are defending ourselves against this very clear and evident
Speaker 1: culture war that they are determined to beat America over
Speaker 1: the head with. She didn't turn her back, she didn't
Speaker 1: run away, she didn't come up with facts and figures,
Speaker 1: she didn't se down with the focus group. She got
Speaker 1: in front of the microphone and she told the people
Speaker 1: of Michigan what this Republican Party is doing and who
Speaker 1: the fuck they are, And then she reminded them who
Speaker 1: she is, which is a straight white woman who is Christian,
Speaker 1: who is a mother who is married and who believes
Speaker 1: right that people do not need to be white, Christian,
Speaker 1: straight and sists in order to be treated with respect
Speaker 1: and dignity in this country. I mean, it was beautiful
Speaker 1: and what I love so much about it and what
Speaker 1: Aimon asked me, you know, should this be the blueprint?
Speaker 1: And I said, authenticity should be the fucking blueprint for
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Authenticity and passion should be the blueprint
Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party. I don't need everybody copycatting what
Speaker 1: Mallory McMorrow did in Michigan, but I need people to
Speaker 1: start fucking standing up for themselves for this goddamn country.
Speaker 1: And don't come to me, don't come to a fucking
Speaker 1: gun battle with a fucking whiteboard filled with your bullet
Speaker 1: points of bullshit. I'm just I'm tired, folks. I'm tired
Speaker 1: of what the Democratic Party isn't doing, which is going
Speaker 1: toe to toe with a group of people who have
Speaker 1: no problem referring to us all as pedophiles and fucking groomers.
Speaker 1: This ship is not going away, it's actually escalating and
Speaker 1: getting worse. And what mcmarrow did in Michigan is say
Speaker 1: enough is a fuck enough, right, You're not gonna sit
Speaker 1: here and smear me and make money off of your evil, vile,
Speaker 1: fucking statements and think that ain't nobody gonna come back
Speaker 1: at you with some real hot shit. That's what she did,
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, where the hell else all the other
Speaker 1: Democrats are, particularly those that are in leadership right, where
Speaker 1: are you? Oh, it's really upsetting that my friend across
Speaker 1: the aisle, fuck that you need to dead that language,
Speaker 1: your friend across the aisle. These people have turned the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party into their enemy. You listen to that lion
Speaker 1: ass Marjorie Taylor Green when she was on the stand,
Speaker 1: one to say eighty times that apparently she needs Gencoba
Speaker 1: because she doesn't. She done lost her fucking memory over
Speaker 1: what she has said on fucking video about Nancy Pelosi,
Speaker 1: about the Democrats, about the steel that happened to Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, eighty times she talking
Speaker 1: about she don't remember. Oh you remember. Let me run
Speaker 1: you the tape back and ask you the question again, right,
Speaker 1: is this you? Is this worse coming out of it?
Speaker 1: Were you commerced? Right? And again I want to say
Speaker 1: this too about the attorneys that had her on the stand.
Speaker 1: It's that I don't know because that here was unprecedented. Right.
Speaker 1: It is unprecedented to try and say that this member
Speaker 1: of Congress should not be able to run for reelection
Speaker 1: again because they have gone against the constitution because of
Speaker 1: their involvement in an attempt to overthrow the government. Right.
Speaker 1: But I got to tell you that if you were
Speaker 1: able to bring evidence, I'm confused about why you would
Speaker 1: not show video over and over again of the questions
Speaker 1: that you are asked, asking and her saying I don't recall,
Speaker 1: and then you playing the video and saying do you
Speaker 1: remember now? Right? Do you recall now? Because I need
Speaker 1: to make sure that, like we don't need to have
Speaker 1: somebody's like psychiatrists or psychologists come in and do a
Speaker 1: medical examination to make sure that you are functioning on
Speaker 1: all cylinders. I'm just you know, folks, I got to
Speaker 1: tell you that this weekend and going on MSNBC, I
Speaker 1: was really fucking pissed off because I feel like everything
Speaker 1: around us is crumbling and I feel like the people
Speaker 1: that have the ability And I'm not saying that it
Speaker 1: isn't inevitable what is going to happen, but at least
Speaker 1: I want to believe that I'm a part of a
Speaker 1: party that is willing to fight, that is willing to
Speaker 1: lay it all on the field, and that's just not
Speaker 1: who the Democrats are. And so I'm like, if you're
Speaker 1: not willing to fight against people who are referring to
Speaker 1: you as pedophiles, who are literally labeling every single person
Speaker 1: that is just like your anti fucking LGBTQ bills, right,
Speaker 1: are nothing but bigoted bullshit, and not calling people out
Speaker 1: for their belief that we're going to dismantle essentially public
Speaker 1: education because of this faux belief in critical race theory,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to only in Florida bring in
Speaker 1: one kind of textbook that happens to have financi she'll
Speaker 1: ties to both the Santists and the governor in Virginia,
Speaker 1: Glenn Yungcan. And we think that all is on the
Speaker 1: up and up. I mean, folks, let us wake up here, right.
Speaker 1: This is a it's not even just the biggest fucking
Speaker 1: criminal grift that we've ever seen that began with Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and his family but has expanded to the entirety
Speaker 1: of the Republican Party, but it is now it is
Speaker 1: coupled with their white evangelical Christian fundamentalism right and their
Speaker 1: white supremacy. And so if you're not willing to say
Speaker 1: what it is that they are doing and to identify
Speaker 1: who the villain is, then tell me what your purpose
Speaker 1: is in this moment. You know James Carville, who I
Speaker 1: don't understand why Democrats continue to go back to this
Speaker 1: man for advice, who is clearly not engaged or tapped
Speaker 1: into the current state of what is going on where
Speaker 1: he's taught about the fact that Democrats have gotten to woke.
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me? It's still the same centrist,
Speaker 1: fucking pasty people who are running things and who don't
Speaker 1: want to move too far into progressivism right, It's still
Speaker 1: the same fucking mansion and cinema mentality that is running
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party into the fucking ground. Why do we
Speaker 1: think that Biden's poll numbers are where they are. It
Speaker 1: isn't just because of inflation. It's because he ain't got
Speaker 1: no swagger. He doesn't have any fucking backbone. He's not
Speaker 1: going toe to toe and pushing back against this Republican
Speaker 1: Party and saying to the American people, this is who
Speaker 1: they are and if it's not gonna be Joe Biden
Speaker 1: then tell me why you haven't tapped in Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: who was a prosecutor to be prosecuting, as she said
Speaker 1: when she was candidate, Harris prosecuting the case against Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: How about you prosecute the case against the white evangelical
Speaker 1: Christian fundamentalist, white supremacist party. How about you go to
Speaker 1: the American people on a regular basis and remind them
Speaker 1: who they are and that they would rather be cheering
Speaker 1: on Putin right now as he's committing war crimes in
Speaker 1: Ukraine than they would their own president. How about you
Speaker 1: make the correlation and put in the work instead of
Speaker 1: wondering or worrying about what the pushback is going to be.
Speaker 1: They are calling you pedophiles. They are willing to go
Speaker 1: to the fucking gutter. So what are you willing to do?
Speaker 1: You know? And the last thing that I will say
Speaker 1: for this Monday, where I am starting out the week
Speaker 1: already fired the fuck up, is we have already provided
Speaker 1: three point four billion dollars to Ukraine. Now, I want
Speaker 1: to be very clear that the images, the videos, the
Speaker 1: stories that we are reading are absolutely hard breaking. Ukraine
Speaker 1: needs resources, right, but the things that they actually need,
Speaker 1: like a no fly zone. We're not willing to go
Speaker 1: to that extent, which I still believe is kicking the
Speaker 1: can down the road, because I don't know how we
Speaker 1: are going to avoid American casualties in this war by
Speaker 1: sending troops there. Because here's the thing. Putin is not stopping, right,
Speaker 1: he is actually escalating when he hired right his new head,
Speaker 1: his new general, a man who made a name for
Speaker 1: himself as the Butcher of Syria because he targeted civilians
Speaker 1: on purpose. That he is suffocating people to death, that
Speaker 1: he is weaponizing rape, right, that he is using chemical
Speaker 1: weaponry that has been banned for use in war. How
Speaker 1: is it that we think that we are going to
Speaker 1: escape this without Putin being put down? Right? So that's
Speaker 1: one thing. But here's the other thing. I was on
Speaker 1: Reverend Owl's show yesterday and Reverend Owl asked me on
Speaker 1: Politics Nation whether or not the Biden administration is doing
Speaker 1: a good job with balancing the resources financial resources that
Speaker 1: are needed for our domestic issues and balancing that with
Speaker 1: what is happening abroad. And I'm going to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, No, they are not. They are not balancing
Speaker 1: these things. And the reason is that Republicans and Democrats
Speaker 1: or are more willing to shell out and make a
Speaker 1: fucking rain for war in terms of the money that
Speaker 1: they are able to put up without a fight, without
Speaker 1: a conversation, without a debate. But if you turned around
Speaker 1: and wanted to give three point four billion dollars to
Speaker 1: COVID relief, to education, to the Green New Deal, to infrastructure,
Speaker 1: then we got to have what three fucking days of
Speaker 1: debate on that shit. It's our fucking money, but we
Speaker 1: don't get it spent on us. But then you want
Speaker 1: to turn around and tell me, well, we're on the
Speaker 1: virgin nuclear war. Okay, I get that we're on the
Speaker 1: verge of fucking devastation here in the United States as well.
Speaker 1: So if you are not able to be able to
Speaker 1: match the resources that you are sending to Ukraine and
Speaker 1: then want to turn around and tell us that you
Speaker 1: don't have the money in order to continue COVID relief plans,
Speaker 1: right in order to continue providing vaccinations, in order to
Speaker 1: continue providing tests that you all of a sudden don't
Speaker 1: have the money, that doesn't really land that well, does it. Oh,
Speaker 1: we can't afford to relieve student debt, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: send three point four billion dollars to Ukraine in two
Speaker 1: months and then say that we need to send more.
Speaker 1: Come on, folks, come on. This country is struggling. And
Speaker 1: to quote Tupac Shakur who said, got money for war,
Speaker 1: but can't feed the poor, that is that is the
Speaker 1: month of the United States. Love a war, Love a war,
Speaker 1: and wars are expensive, not only in the cost of lives,
Speaker 1: but in the cost period. But investing in social safety,
Speaker 1: that's investing in education, investing in clean water, clean air programs,
Speaker 1: investing in trying to slow climate change. Oh that we
Speaker 1: can't possibly manage to do. Get the fuck out of here, folks,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta tell you. Also, I'm asked about
Speaker 1: whether or not Biden, you know, who recently had lunch
Speaker 1: with Obama last week and said that he plans on
Speaker 1: running in twenty twenty four. And then we heard murmurings
Speaker 1: of Bernie Sanders saying that, you know, he's not taking
Speaker 1: running again off the table. And I'm saying, my god,
Speaker 1: if fucking octanagarian white men are all that we have
Speaker 1: and all that we believe that can save America, then
Speaker 1: America doesn't deserve to be saved. Now, if Joe Biden
Speaker 1: decides to run for reelection, that is his prerogative and
Speaker 1: he is the head of the Democratic Party. But if
Speaker 1: he doesn't decide to run for reelection for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: then I don't want to see the same old fucking
Speaker 1: faces carted out as if they got new ideas. They don't.
Speaker 1: So if the Democratic Party isn't building a bench, isn't
Speaker 1: fighting against the culture war right, and isn't giving the
Speaker 1: American people what they want, then the question is what
Speaker 1: the fuck are they doing? Coming up next, friends, my
Speaker 1: conversation as always with our good friend Glenn Kirshner, MSNBC
Speaker 1: Legal Analysts and the host of Justice Matters breaks down
Speaker 1: the latest of where we are with the Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: the insurrection, and the one sixth House Commission. Folks, you
Speaker 1: know that I am always always grateful when we have
Speaker 1: our and Glenn Kirshner joining us host of Justice Matters
Speaker 1: and MSNBC Legal Analysts to you know, bring us through
Speaker 1: the maze of insanity that is the current state of
Speaker 1: the insurrection, the investigations, and the Department of Justice. Glenn,
Speaker 1: another week, another series of things that have been uncovered.
Speaker 1: Right I saw on Twitter when you said, referred to
Speaker 1: Mark Meadows phone as some type of treason his hotline, right, amazing,
Speaker 1: tell us the latest on where we are and what
Speaker 1: if anything, any movement you've heard with the Department of Justice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you look at the text messages that Mark Meadows
Speaker 1: was fielding as let's remember the chief of staff to
Speaker 1: the President of the United States. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: he's running the treason switchboard. You know, Mark Meadows here,
Speaker 1: how can I direct your treason his call and the
Speaker 1: calls and or the texts that he was getting from
Speaker 1: Don Trump Junior, which still blows my law enforcement mind.
Speaker 1: When Don Junior says, two days after the election, long
Speaker 1: before the election has been called, before the votes had
Speaker 1: been tallied in the battleground states, Don Junior said, my
Speaker 1: daddy's second term must start now. That is so deeply
Speaker 1: treasonous in the lay sense of the word treason that
Speaker 1: it really blows my mind. And that Mark Meadows is
Speaker 1: indulging all of this and playing along together with Jinny
Speaker 1: Thomas saying, listen, you have to go to war. You
Speaker 1: have to overturn the elections results because there are ballot
Speaker 1: fraudsters being detained right now on barges outside Gitmo, awaiting
Speaker 1: their military tribunals for sedition. Mark Meadows doesn't say, Miss Thomas,
Speaker 1: that's raw, that's fiction, that's insane. He plays along and says,
Speaker 1: you're right, we have to fight and the King of
Speaker 1: Kings will make this right for us. So Mark Meadows
Speaker 1: has earned himself really a Marquis spot on a conspiracy
Speaker 1: indictment for crimes against the United States. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. On the evidence the Department of Justice get there,
Speaker 1: that remains an open question. But you know, these treason
Speaker 1: as text messages that Mark Meadows was receiving and feeding into.
Speaker 1: It's just it's so far beyond fiction that you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to know what to make of it. It's
Speaker 1: so absurd, Glenn, because the evidence being laid out. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not as if we are we're trying to still
Speaker 1: find the smoking gun. Right. There are pages of text messages.
Speaker 1: We have a PowerPoint presentation. We have people in their
Speaker 1: own word, We have Donald Trump standing on the dais
Speaker 1: at the stop the Steel Riley saying go take your
Speaker 1: country back. We have you know, convicted insurrectionists in their
Speaker 1: own words saying the only reason why I stormed the
Speaker 1: Capitol Building. Is because the President of the United States
Speaker 1: told me that I needed to. So you have said
Speaker 1: for years now on this show that prosecutors don't like
Speaker 1: to move unless they know that something is a slam dunk. Glenn.
Speaker 1: If this isn't a slam dunk, tell me what is?
Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me, tell me where the hesitation still lies.
Speaker 1: I can't explain it. It's you can't explain the inexplicable.
Speaker 1: This is a slam dunk, and it doesn't mean twelve
Speaker 1: jurors in a jury box will agree unanimously. But the
Speaker 1: point is when you have enough evidence to indict, and
Speaker 1: here we have enough evidence to arrest, to indict, to
Speaker 1: withstand motions, to dismiss, and to convict. When you have
Speaker 1: that kind of evidence, you have to indict. You have
Speaker 1: to stand in the well of the court and present
Speaker 1: the case to twelve citizens in a jury box and
Speaker 1: let them, sitting as the conscience of the community, decide
Speaker 1: if they should hold a criminal president accountable. I can't
Speaker 1: explain the inaction, you know. I'm still hoping we're going
Speaker 1: to get there. I'm hoping the public hearings leave DJ
Speaker 1: no safe haven to decline to indict. I hope they
Speaker 1: have to indict after that. You know, some days I'm optimistic,
Speaker 1: some days I'm less optimistic. But I can't explain the inexplicable,
Speaker 1: you know, and particularly I really want to sit with
Speaker 1: Jennie Thomas for a minute, because we have major, major
Speaker 1: Supreme Court decisions that are coming down that we are
Speaker 1: awaiting in June, from gun rights to abortion right. We
Speaker 1: have a potentially compromised Supreme Court justice that whether he
Speaker 1: was actively a part of the insurrection, actively a part
Speaker 1: of covering up for his wife so as not to
Speaker 1: release Donald Trump's records so that we don't recognize a
Speaker 1: number that is there. I if this doesn't happen, if
Speaker 1: we don't even pretend to be concerned about Clarence Thomas,
Speaker 1: pretend to be concerned about the state of our Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: the integrity that is supposed to be this Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: then what do we look like a year from now,
Speaker 1: two years from now, Glenn? If this is if these
Speaker 1: aren't a series of indictable, indictable offenses, then like, can
Speaker 1: we indict anybody? Ever? Here's what we look like If
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice declines to hold Trump and all
Speaker 1: of his co conspirators accountable. The twenty twenty four presidential
Speaker 1: election will be the kind of show election that they
Speaker 1: hold in Russia, where the outcome is determined long before
Speaker 1: the first vote is cast, and Putin has already won
Speaker 1: before voting day has arrived. That is what the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four presidential election will look like. I promise you
Speaker 1: if DJ does not prosecute this criminal cabal, because they
Speaker 1: will have been given permission by the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: to cheat, to steal, to lie, and declare themselves the victors,
Speaker 1: regardless of the popular vote or the electoral College count.
Speaker 1: That's what twenty twenty four will look like. Let's play
Speaker 1: Devil's Advocate, which I always hate to do, but I
Speaker 1: honestly because I'm really trying to get into the minds
Speaker 1: of the people at the Department of Justice, obviously, particularly
Speaker 1: Merritt Garland. What happens if they bring this case, Glenn,
Speaker 1: We've seen all the evidence, we've seen everything right, and
Speaker 1: they lose what like what tell us what? What? What
Speaker 1: could potentially be the repercussions again that make them so
Speaker 1: fearful that they don't want to even bring an indictment,
Speaker 1: that make them so fearful. That is, if this isn't
Speaker 1: a slam dunk, what does this do to the state
Speaker 1: of the Department of Justice, to our government, to the presidency.
Speaker 1: So first of all, I don't believe they will lose,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that, because they didn't lose the
Speaker 1: Paul Manafort trial, even with a self proclaimed maga on
Speaker 1: the jury. She called herself a maga. She wore her
Speaker 1: red hat to the trial every day, but left it
Speaker 1: in her car, and when she was interviewed after the
Speaker 1: man of Fort conviction, she said, I am a Donald
Speaker 1: Trump fan and I did not want to vote guilty
Speaker 1: for Paul Manafort, one of Trump's men, but the evidence
Speaker 1: proved it. So first and she voted guilty. First of all,
Speaker 1: we're not going to lose. At worst, we suffer a
Speaker 1: hung jury and we have to retry it. I don't
Speaker 1: believe that. I believe we can impanel a fair jury,
Speaker 1: just like we could in Manifort, just like we have
Speaker 1: been in the insurrection cases, and they've been held. They've
Speaker 1: been found guilty jury after jury after jury. But if
Speaker 1: we do lose, here is the message that has been sent.
Speaker 1: If you commit crimes against the United States and your
Speaker 1: high government official. You're going to be indicted, You're going
Speaker 1: to be tried, and we're going to pull out all
Speaker 1: the stops in our efforts to hold you accountable, to
Speaker 1: convict you, and you're going to spend every last penny
Speaker 1: you have on lawyers. Not that that's a reason to
Speaker 1: bring a charge, but it is a consequence of bringing
Speaker 1: this kind of a prosecution. And you will be in
Speaker 1: court for the next two years and we will be
Speaker 1: trying to convict you and imprison you. But you know what,
Speaker 1: if a jury doesn't see it our way, if twelve
Speaker 1: citizens say not guilty, which will not happen, I'll bet
Speaker 1: a buck on it. But if they do, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter because the rule of law has asserted itself. The
Speaker 1: Department of Justice has done its job, and people who
Speaker 1: are trying to decide whether to go down this same
Speaker 1: criminal path as a high government official, they will think
Speaker 1: twice before doing it. In a way, they won't think
Speaker 1: twice before doing it if we don't bring any charges
Speaker 1: at all. One of the last questions for Yuglen because
Speaker 1: we're running out of time. We talk about this each
Speaker 1: and every week. We're running out of time. There has
Speaker 1: been you know, we're seven months up against the wall
Speaker 1: for midterm elections. The Department of Justice continues to tell
Speaker 1: us we don't work on a political cycle. Were they
Speaker 1: could care less right that there is an election that
Speaker 1: is coming. If we get clawbered Democrats get clawbered in
Speaker 1: the way that they say that is going to happen.
Speaker 1: What happens to any investigation that is taking place right now?
Speaker 1: What are Republicans just paint the picture? What are they
Speaker 1: able to do if, in fact, like they get power
Speaker 1: back and there's a midst of an investigation, so they
Speaker 1: can kill the J six investigation being conducted by the
Speaker 1: House Select Committee, and I'm confident they will kill it.
Speaker 1: They will also try to suppress the results of it,
Speaker 1: which I think is why the J six committee understand
Speaker 1: it's a bipartisan committee with two Republicans. I think it
Speaker 1: understands that it needs to finish its work well in
Speaker 1: advance of the midterms. Issue its report, obviously, hold public hearings,
Speaker 1: which we are told are imminent later this month, maybe
Speaker 1: early next. So I think that is less of a
Speaker 1: concern because I think the committee will have wrapped up
Speaker 1: and announced its findings. But what they can do is
Speaker 1: they can make DOJ's work extremely difficult. They can't kill
Speaker 1: criminal investigations being conducted at the Department of Justice because
Speaker 1: that is still an executive branch agency under the control
Speaker 1: of President Biden. But they can hold frivolous oversight hearing
Speaker 1: after oversight hearing, they can carpet bomb the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice with frivolous congressional subpoenas, and then they will find
Speaker 1: reasons to claim that the people that DJ have violated
Speaker 1: those subpoenas, so they must be locked up using Congress's
Speaker 1: inherent power of contempt, just as Newt Gingrich promised they
Speaker 1: would not that he's a players. He's a piss ant,
Speaker 1: is what he is. But he did make that promise
Speaker 1: that the J six many members will probably find themselves
Speaker 1: locked up. So they can make DJ's work very difficult.
Speaker 1: They can try to defund or reduce the funding to
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. They can play all kinds of
Speaker 1: nefarious reindeer games, but they can't stop criminal investigations, and frankly,
Speaker 1: it may end up upping the empty for the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice to make sure it does its work quickly
Speaker 1: and efficiently. So but it's just not good for the
Speaker 1: country if the Republicans take over the House, because we
Speaker 1: know that by their own admission, they have no agenda
Speaker 1: other than retaining power and exploiting it in the dirtiest
Speaker 1: of ways, you know, Like that's what Kevin McCarthy is about.
Speaker 1: That's what I think these latest phone calls that have
Speaker 1: been disclosed between he and Liz Cheney, which are really remarkable,
Speaker 1: and not just for the purient interest, but on the
Speaker 1: legal front, I think they're pretty remarkable. I mean, they
Speaker 1: just they're criming in broad daylight, broad daylight, and I
Speaker 1: just you know, I know what will happen and there
Speaker 1: and their hearings will be on prime time, their foolish
Speaker 1: lying hearings will be on prime time, and I wonder
Speaker 1: how that will shift the public perception of what the
Speaker 1: Commission is doing. Glenn as always, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for making the time to work us through where we are.
Speaker 1: And I hope that next week, when we discuss again
Speaker 1: that there is some movement with this glacial Department of Justice.
Speaker 1: We need something, some signal, some sign that we are
Speaker 1: headed in a direction that isn't over a cliff fingers crossed.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. That is it for me today here on
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